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Patriots Unfiltered 4/29: Post-Draft Recap, Expert Grades, K'Lavon Chaisson In-Studio · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: I would tell you my my big big guy with
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  Speaker 3: the small number theory big guys, it's small numbers.
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  Speaker 4: You know what it means to me, Mike, is it
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  Speaker 4: means that that guy is a really good applete. It's
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  Speaker 4: not typical that like these three hundred pound guys or
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  Speaker 4: you know, we're number eight.
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  Speaker 2: We like Buy and more. It was seven at BU.
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  Speaker 5: Paul, You and I we don't really often have bets,
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  Speaker 5: and yet somehow I bet that ship Nard Sanders was
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  Speaker 5: going to go in the top fifteen, and I owe
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  Speaker 5: you a sandwich.
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  Speaker 4: That Trio of Safety is that win in the fourth
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  Speaker 4: round back in twenty five because we're absolute sick of
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  Speaker 4: Catch twenty two or yeah your tagline catch twenty two
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  Speaker 4: will remember, Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Did you check in with Barky on your ride home
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  Speaker 5: last night.
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  Speaker 6: And tried calling him but he wasn't ready to talk yet,
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  Speaker 6: so probably talk.
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  Speaker 3: To ready to dere No, No, I'm not there yet, so.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing will be that you're ready for your close up
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  Speaker 2: after you da phase it.
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  Speaker 6: Nothing will be the cold, strange draft. And him and
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  Speaker 6: I spent about an hour and a half on the phone.
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  Speaker 6: Jess is sleeping in the other room and she comes
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  Speaker 6: in and she's like, you're screaming. It's two o'clock in
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  Speaker 6: the morning.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, they drafted the card.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium. We're back to our normal routine after
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  Speaker 2: a big week the NFL Draft the Patriots. I think
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  Speaker 2: the consensus is that they had a pretty good draft.
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  Speaker 1: I think so.
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  Speaker 2: I think they brought in some players, at least at
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  Speaker 2: the time of that draft that have a chance to
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  Speaker 2: really contribute right away in areas of need. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: very excited. I don't know if you guys share my enthusiasm.
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  Speaker 2: It's Deuce, it's Deven, it's Paul. We might have a
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  Speaker 2: guest in a little bit, so waiting for him to
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  Speaker 2: show up. But in the meantime, let's let's talk about
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  Speaker 2: what transpired over the weekend.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's a funny place to be because I
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  Speaker 5: think we were used in the draft being like, well
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  Speaker 5: I wanted them to do this and they didn't quite
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  Speaker 5: do that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, we talked so much about the draft leading up
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  Speaker 5: to it, and I just feel like the positions we
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  Speaker 5: talked about, the players, we talked about, the needs that
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  Speaker 5: we talked about, the positions that we'd like to see
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  Speaker 5: them fee like they check kind of all my boxes.
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  Speaker 5: Like I have a couple, you know, the safety a
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  Speaker 5: little bit of a Okay, I know I wasn't really
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  Speaker 5: on him, but I understand it. What I've liked a
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  Speaker 5: edge rusher, maybe a little bit early, maybe you know,
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  Speaker 5: just a developmental guy. Sure, but when they you know,
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  Speaker 5: ended up getting Swinson in the in the later rounds,
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  Speaker 5: like you know, that's what I was talking about, it
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  Speaker 5: just reinforced the pass rush a little bit. So for me,
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  Speaker 5: they checked all the boxes and we everything we've talked
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  Speaker 5: about is on YouTube and on Patriots dot com ad nauseum.
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  Speaker 5: So it's just it's, uh, it just feels good to say,
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  Speaker 5: you know, it feels like we were on it. We
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  Speaker 5: knew what they what they needed with they and that's
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  Speaker 5: kind of what they ended up doing. So I just
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  Speaker 5: it's satisfying and it's it's exciting for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah we didn't there were no head like real head scratch,
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  Speaker 2: just cread.
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  Speaker 6: The safety was a little like.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah not you know, but other I mean,
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  Speaker 5: and that's not really a criticism. I mean that that
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  Speaker 5: happens should happen a lot in a draft where you're.
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  Speaker 2: Like, who's this guy?
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  Speaker 8: You know?
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  Speaker 5: But otherwise, every guy they took, I mean, you can
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  Speaker 5: only talk about Kyle Williams for so long, and then
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  Speaker 5: they took Kyle Williams. You know, we were just we
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  Speaker 5: were on those guys so and then as you get
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  Speaker 5: to dive into the film of especially Henderson and Williams,
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  Speaker 5: I just think that's what the excitement mostly, a lot
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  Speaker 5: of the excitement comes from you put the tires on
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  Speaker 5: the car with Will Campbell, but you added some explosiveness,
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  Speaker 5: and that just is this season ended. That's what we've
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  Speaker 5: been saying, This offense needs to hit a new level
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  Speaker 5: and hopefully that they'll.
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  Speaker 3: Be able to do it with somebody's little analogy on
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  Speaker 3: the fly, then yeah, you're putting the higher on their car.
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  Speaker 3: Frett helps them out with the absolutely Toyota's well done.
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  Speaker 6: You can strap it up. I've it's been a while
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  Speaker 6: since the Patriots have had uh glowing remarks across all
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  Speaker 6: It's not just us, like it's one thing for us
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  Speaker 6: to say it, but all these other places are saying
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  Speaker 6: it too, that they had one of the best drafts
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  Speaker 6: in the league. And I can't remember a time that
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  Speaker 6: they had a consensus top five draft in the NFL,
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  Speaker 6: some places even grading them as the best draft in
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  Speaker 6: the entire league out of all thirty two teams. So
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  Speaker 6: that's a that's a different feeling. I normally you see
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  Speaker 6: some some head scratchers, some guys that you weren't expecting
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  Speaker 6: to go that early, or positions that you weren't really
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  Speaker 6: thinking about going into the draft, or whatever the case
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  Speaker 6: may be, classic reaches and things like that, and there
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  Speaker 6: really weren't any besides you know, maybe maybe Woodson in
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  Speaker 6: the fourth round. But there were people that liked that
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  Speaker 6: pick too, you know, Daniel Jeremiah is very complimentary of
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  Speaker 6: that pick. So it's kind of uncharted territory for me.
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  Speaker 6: I feel kind of weird that everybody's like, oh, wow,
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  Speaker 6: no great draft guys, Yeah, so cool.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Paul bring you back down.
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  Speaker 3: No, not at all, and it will did they my
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  Speaker 3: show gave me.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, they gave it what I'm talking about, cheap.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is going to go down to me. We're
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  Speaker 4: going to look at those first three guys, the offensive picks.
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  Speaker 4: The offense badly needed some some help. And that's where
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  Speaker 4: I think this this draft is ultimately going to be defined.
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  Speaker 4: Now assuming that those guys pan out, you can really
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  Speaker 4: make it special if you find a way to hit
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  Speaker 4: on on a couple of the other picks that Mike,
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  Speaker 4: you know, brought up earlier with the day three guys.
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  Speaker 3: That's how you take a good draft.
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  Speaker 4: And make it really you know, one of them that
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  Speaker 4: that stands out and makes it special. So, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Mike and I bickered a little bit as the weekend
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  Speaker 4: went on with the Edge, and if I had known
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  Speaker 4: it would be so easy to get Mike excited, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we'll just pick one in the fifth round, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: have you know, even I wouldn't have wasted my time
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  Speaker 4: arguing something, Well.
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  Speaker 6: He's one of the best values in the draft just
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  Speaker 6: based off of the consensus and where they ended up
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  Speaker 6: getting him. Swinson was for me a top one hundred
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  Speaker 6: player for a lot of people, a top one hundred player,
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  Speaker 6: and he fell. And there's some things in the beast
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  Speaker 6: about you know why he fell, maybe some brush ups
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  Speaker 6: with coaches and things like that in his past, but
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  Speaker 6: it sounds like it none of it was performance related
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  Speaker 6: at LSU, and certainly the numbers backed that up. So
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  Speaker 6: they kind of got a guy that was projected as
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  Speaker 6: like a third or fourth round pick by most people.
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  Speaker 6: In the fifth round. So you know, for Deuce that
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  Speaker 6: that's your developmental edge, Like that's that's the guy with
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  Speaker 6: some tools and some pass rush ability.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I will say and I said it.
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  Speaker 5: We did a shot a little draft recap which will
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  Speaker 5: be check it out on our YouTube channel and probably tomorrow.
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  Speaker 5: But I took a little glance forward at next year's class,
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  Speaker 5: like I just, you know, people come up with these
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  Speaker 5: stupid mock drafts, but I feel like for somebody like me,
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't know a lot of college football, it's like,
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  Speaker 5: all right, well, just get a sense look at some
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  Speaker 5: of these guys putting mock drafts together, at least to
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  Speaker 5: put a list of players together. And there were a
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  Speaker 5: number of edge players next year, which it seems like
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  Speaker 5: it'll be another strong class for that position. So that
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  Speaker 5: was a little bit, you know, it made me feel
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  Speaker 5: a little bit better. I mean, and I get Paul's point,
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  Speaker 5: and I mean, to be honest, like, I still think
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  Speaker 5: that they have depth issues along the line, a little
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  Speaker 5: bit in the defensive line, so you know that. But look,
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  Speaker 5: it's I like what Ryan Cowten said. Like Ryan Cowten,
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  Speaker 5: I think at the end was like, you know, we're
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  Speaker 5: gonna finish up here and we're gonna start looking at
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  Speaker 5: the roster and be like, all right, where are we weak?
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  Speaker 1: What do we need to do?
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  Speaker 5: And I you know, that's kind of where I where
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  Speaker 5: my head was at too. You're not going to get
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  Speaker 5: everything you need. I said on the Draft Show, I
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  Speaker 5: would have liked to have a developmental defensive end to
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  Speaker 5: you know, develop behind you know, Chase On and Harold.
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  Speaker 1: Landry didn't get that.
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  Speaker 5: But still you ended up got a guy who can
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  Speaker 5: help with the pass rush off the edge, and I
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  Speaker 5: think that's what Swinson is known for. He's got some
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  Speaker 5: juice around the corner, and I thought that was the
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  Speaker 5: biggest element they needed just to reinforce the depth.
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  Speaker 4: Just come on, un clarify. So you're looking at it
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  Speaker 4: a little bit differently, like a like a Harold Landry
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  Speaker 4: and this guy. Then what do you mean so you
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  Speaker 4: said you were looking for a developmental backup defensive end.
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  Speaker 3: You don't pitch Swinton, Well, I picture.
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  Speaker 5: I see him more as a stand up pass rusher,
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  Speaker 5: gonna come.
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  Speaker 1: On on third downs.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't know, I mean, maybe you know, in
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  Speaker 5: a in a perfect world, he develops into a three.
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  Speaker 1: Down kind of a guy.
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  Speaker 3: But we haven't seen what kind of defense.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we haven't seen. I mean we have a feeling
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  Speaker 5: of what they're gonna run on defense. But I just
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  Speaker 5: think they're gonna have four down lineman. They're gonna have
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  Speaker 5: a down defensive end. I I don't know if that's Swinson.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I look at four down lineman, the guys
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  Speaker 3: on the in this.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I'll defer to you two, but
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  Speaker 4: in this I I look at those Those two guys
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  Speaker 4: on the end might be down lineman, but.
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  Speaker 3: There their edge rushers.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know Harold Landry, I mean, yep, Chasing's not
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  Speaker 4: an every down player. I mean I I don't think
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  Speaker 4: he's been that in his career. Now, maybe he will
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  Speaker 4: be that with the Patriots. We don't know what his
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  Speaker 4: role is going to be here. It's gonna be different
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  Speaker 4: system for him. But I look at him in his
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  Speaker 4: career as kind of one of those situational edge kind
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  Speaker 4: of pass rushing types.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know guys have always played on the edge,
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  Speaker 2: but when did the term edge like really come into vogue?
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  Speaker 8: Right?
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  Speaker 6: It's more definitely more of a draft term than it
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  Speaker 6: is because you know, you have four to three defensive
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  Speaker 6: ends and then you have three four outside linebackers and
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  Speaker 6: some guys can kind of do a little bit of both.
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  Speaker 6: So like, how did you really categorize those types of players?
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  Speaker 6: And like each scheme is different, So like in Bill's
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  Speaker 6: three four, like those guys would be outside linebackers, but
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  Speaker 6: in the four to three those guys are defensive ends.
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  Speaker 6: So in order to catch all you just say edge
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  Speaker 6: didn't screen.
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  Speaker 3: A guy like Dietrich Wise defensive is more of a
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  Speaker 3: Ty Warren.
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  Speaker 4: They were like three four end types, right, And then
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  Speaker 4: you get a guy on the edge.
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  Speaker 6: Like I would put I would say Wise is a
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  Speaker 6: defensive lineman, like I would put him in the interior
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  Speaker 6: defensive lineman category, where where like Joshua Farmer is gonna be.
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  Speaker 6: Swinson is more of an outside linebacker edge rusher type,
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  Speaker 6: and to douce his point, I don't know if he's
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  Speaker 6: going to be able to play with his hand in
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  Speaker 6: the dirt on first down, right, Like, I don't know
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  Speaker 6: if that's going to be him. It's probably the biggest
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  Speaker 6: knock on his tape is the run defense consistency and
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  Speaker 6: anchoring and that kind of thing. But he's got all
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  Speaker 6: the tools to be a great pass rusher. So if
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  Speaker 6: they can just develop his play strength a little bit,
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  Speaker 6: his technique on the run defense side, like, maybe he
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  Speaker 6: could emerge a little bit there. I think with those
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  Speaker 6: two guys, in addition to what they already have with
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  Speaker 6: Milton Williams and hopefully bar More and Keon White, like
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  Speaker 6: their defensive line, it looks pretty good in terms of
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  Speaker 6: the depth on paper. I'm not too concerned about it there, No.
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  Speaker 5: And I think I think I've summed it up well.
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  Speaker 5: Let's I kind of see Swinson as an outside linebacker.
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  Speaker 5: I see Chase On and Landry as defensive ends, and
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  Speaker 5: I think for their three down purposes they want a
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  Speaker 5: defensive end. That's why I like MIKEL Williams. I feel
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  Speaker 5: like yes, he could stand up, but he could also
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  Speaker 5: be that hand down kind of guy that they needed.
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  Speaker 5: So in a perfect world, that would have been the
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  Speaker 5: guy that we got. Is it developmental? But again, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if I would have been fully happy because
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  Speaker 5: I thought.
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  Speaker 1: The pass rush was the biggest issue.
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  Speaker 5: It's kind of two things competing for me. It's pass
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  Speaker 5: rush and it's defensive ends.
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  Speaker 6: They kind of combine them into one player, Like they
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  Speaker 6: combined like Farmers kind of well like sort of what
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  Speaker 6: you're talking about with his hand in the dirt. But
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  Speaker 6: then Swinson's kind of the guy that's got the juice
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  Speaker 6: off the edge, So like maybe they're thinking Farmer plays
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  Speaker 6: early downs. You know, Swinston's a rotational edgeresher on third down.
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  Speaker 6: Farmer's more of a rotational early down player, and they
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  Speaker 6: kind of got, you know, both those guys to combine.
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  Speaker 1: I love this stuff. Can we just keep this defense
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  Speaker 1: rolling through the little show?
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  Speaker 3: Fred?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 8: Sure?
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  Speaker 6: Just my favorite pick of the drafts. I gotta defend
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  Speaker 6: my guys.
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  Speaker 3: It's good and it's good.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I had such great numbers over the weekend, you
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  Speaker 2: want to just kill it right now.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, we don't even mention.
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  Speaker 2: But you mentioned YouTube. I just want to remind folks
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  Speaker 2: that YouTube, the Patriots YouTube channel is really becoming kind
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  Speaker 2: of a place to go. I mean, you've got the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots app obviously in Patriots dot com, but you know
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  Speaker 2: the YouTube channel. They've been posting a lot of really
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  Speaker 2: cool stuff there. So if you're not already a subscriber
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  Speaker 2: to the Patriots YouTube channel, you want to do that.
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  Speaker 2: There's already a bunch of stuff there, and as this
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  Speaker 2: off season progresses and we move into training camp, there's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a lot more posted there. So you
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  Speaker 2: want to make sure you're following the Patriots on YouTube
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 5: I was going to say, my son is my son,
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  Speaker 5: he's thirteen now, he's gonna be thirteen a couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 5: but he signed up. He's follows Patriots on YouTube. And
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  Speaker 5: he came out to me the morning the draft and
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  Speaker 5: he just said, Dad, what's Fred's back of the envelope?
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  Speaker 8: Guys?
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  Speaker 5: He was looking for next nation.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, he's uh so it's good. We'll get lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff out.
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  Speaker 2: There, good stuff, all right, going viral?
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  Speaker 3: Fred? Yeah, when the kids are talking going.
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  Speaker 2: So what was your your was your big story other
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  Speaker 2: than the Patriots of the Shouduar Sander thing over the weekend.
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  Speaker 5: I mean that was wild, sure, I mean going to
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  Speaker 5: the milk Hiper followut is still happening.
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  Speaker 1: Talking about his reactions too.
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  Speaker 2: I'm wondering if there was some behind the scenes pressure
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  Speaker 2: put on the Brown to take him, because to take
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  Speaker 2: the other guy first and then Sanders in the fifth rounds?
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  Speaker 3: Do you think the miserable reaction of the draft room.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then they signed Deontay Johnson too.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it was clearly nationally for the draft. That
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  Speaker 4: was the story of the weekend. We talked about it
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  Speaker 4: a lot on our shows too. What I wasn't aware of.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you're sort of seeing on Twitter
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  Speaker 4: the reactions of different people, but when you actually hear,
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  Speaker 4: like how like Melkiper could be as offended by this
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  Speaker 4: as he was, makes me wonder what his motivation is. Yeah, Like,
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  Speaker 4: I if you think that he should have been a
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  Speaker 4: first round pick, I'm not here to tell you you're wrong.
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  Speaker 3: That's your opinion. You evaluate, fine, But why are you
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  Speaker 3: so angry about it?
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  Speaker 6: It's embarrassing.
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  Speaker 3: It was like it was like it was personal for me,
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  Speaker 3: mel Wiper.
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  Speaker 6: It kind of is personal you know, in a way,
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  Speaker 6: you know, when you put yourself out there and you
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  Speaker 6: great player, and you ranked players, and you publish mock
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  Speaker 6: drafts and you publish big boards, and then you have
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  Speaker 6: a guy going third overall and he drops all the
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  Speaker 6: way to the fifth round like that. Your reputation is
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  Speaker 6: built on being accurate with all those types of predictions
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  Speaker 6: and some for mel Kuiper, like that was a big issue,
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  Speaker 6: but embarrassment that he went as late as I did.
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: But my point would be, so I made these evaluations
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: and I got it wrong. That's not what mel Kuiper thinks.
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: Well, he didn't get it wrong there wrong in terms
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: of where he thought it was going to go. He
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: got it wrong, but his evaluation could still be right correct.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: But he's killing the league.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's killing Dare you disagree with me?
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: It's not personal Mel. Well, listen, due they didn't take
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: him because they wanted to stick.
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: It to mel Kuiper.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: I think Mel's on there, he wants to be.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: That's how that to me, the story became mel Kiper.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: That's you know, it's all about the drama.
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: And I do think that you're you're right about that.
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: I think the networks uh, you know, in this case,
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: ESPN kind of lean into it a little bit and
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: they they I think that they sort of recognized we
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: got a guy that's a little unhinged. It's probably not
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: bad for ratings, right, you know, And listen, I have
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: a lot of respect for mel Kiper. I think he
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: does a really good job. No one gets the most,
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: no one in that business has a squeaky clean record.
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: His performance over the weekend wasn't That.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Was a guy in ESPN who's a multi millionaire in
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: his nickname's mad Dog. So I mean, that's kind of
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: all you need to know.
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: And then did you guys see the what is the
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: jeff ulbriks Son then found the number of s Sanders
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: and that.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: That was really stupid. I mean, that kid, he just
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: embarrassed his father to no end.
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: He did, and he's obviously, you know, paying the price
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: for it. But my god, like, it was a stupid
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: childish prank, Like, can we not put him in prison?
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: Like the reaction, My god Like, if my kid did it,
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: believe me, they'd be serious repercussions. My kid wouldn't have
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: gotten away with this. And I'm sure that he's not either. Yeah,
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: because You've put it perfectly, Freddy, he barrassed his.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Father and works for an NFL team, right, have some
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: respect for your dad.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: My god, was no one ever twenty one before and
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: you never do anything stupid? Oh yeah, Like like am
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: I wrong? Like the reaction was like you know this guy,
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: like we got to lock him up and throw away
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: the kate.
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: I do wonder that, like why does the defensive coordinator
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: of the Atlanta Falcons, why does he have access to
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: the phone numbers? Because he's not calling Shador Sanders to
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: like as like a scout to like evaluate him.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: I just wonder if there's like a like some kind
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: of a master.
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: Right, But like shouldn't that master she'd have a little
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: bit more restriction in terms of who has access to it,
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: Like why not every single coach on the coaching staff
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: needs to have because once you start to branch out
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: the numbers, like the more and more people that have it,
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: the more likely it is that something like this happens.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: So like, I mean, do you have to take in
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: consideration that you don't want something like this to happen?
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Like is that something that you need?
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: But but I mean, the whole he got prank called
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: The whole idea these numbers is that so when the
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: player gets the call, he knows it's from somebody that's
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: authorized to call me from the team.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Uh Jesus, if the Jerky Boys were all today, we
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: have kind of a throwback to when prank call still happened,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Like we have to, we'd have to go with a
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: whole new routine on pregame shows, like we can't do
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: what Jerky Boys anymore.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Those guys would be in prison, like Star six nine,
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: like all those things are lost, like what Star six
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: nine is?
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: All right, I'm not Please, don't misunderstand this. I'm not.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: It was a dumb, dumb thing and it was mean.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: It was flat out mean, and Shadua Sanders did not
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: deserve that now, But I mean, it just was a dumb,
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: stupid prank. Like I just I think we've gone a
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: little bit overboard.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: Did they like actually talk to him and all or
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: I didn't I didn't see any of the actual calls,
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: so they call.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Oh really yeah?
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: And you know, Sanders kind of handled it really well,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: you know, like he didn't get outraged or anything.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Like no, everybody's getting outraged.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Four Yeah, I give him credit, but it's yeah, you
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: just feel bad because you hear all these players talk
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: about shoot.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: I forget which of our draft pics it was, but
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: somebody said, like I saw Foxborough pop up and I knew,
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: and I just had this rush of emotion. So you
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: know that that's the start of it. And so he must
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: have gotten that rush of adrenaline thinking this is it,
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: it's happening, and then you know that's that's.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Where you're taking advantage of somebody in kind of a
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: tough spot.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Ye, like I said it was, it was mean.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: It was flat out mean, all right.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: A five to five pass five hundred is the hotline
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: podcast at Patriots dot com is the email address. We
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: got a lot of emails coming in, we got calls
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: coming in. Chances are we're going to have a guest
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: at some point soon. So while we're waiting for him
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: to come in, Uh, let me get my mouse working here.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Uh it's not working, all right? The good radio, Well
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: maybe we'll go to wemails.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Now, can you punch up radio calls from that's all right?
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Phone calls, it might be a bad battery.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can do it like they do on
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: my shows. I'm frozen. Jimmy, I'm frozen. Can you can
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: you punch up line?
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Here we go. I gotta go, and I gotta go, and.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I do that right from the dead.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Let's go to uh. We'll start with you hate them?
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Cole in Minnesota? What's up? Cold good?
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: Hey?
• 19:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah, So I'm called back a few months back free
• 19:42
  Speaker 9: free agent signing, Paul. I'm excited because everything has happened
• 19:45
  Speaker 9: so far. Maybe defensive, you know, reload the offensive line,
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: wide receiver death. I got my major question today for
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: you guys, is you know, all the things we did
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: are all kind of dependent on one coaching step and
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: two whether Drake may think that next week's Steven is
• 20:05
  Speaker 9: there something that you could see get hits off more
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: year that may I can take a step back from him,
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: Like if he goes on another you know, ten twelve
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: interception one. Is that kind of where we take a
• 20:17
  Speaker 9: step back or do we just say.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: All, well, okay, thanks for the call. If he if
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: he throws for forty touchdowns and has twelve interceptions, I'm
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: fine with that. It just depends on his production.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Twelve interceptions is not no, that's not all. That's not
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: a bad that's not terrible. I mean it's not great,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: but it's not a bad number. But especially second year.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: But if you only have fifteen touchdowns, then it makes it.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: That's not so good, you know. And he's not making
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: any place right.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: So but if he's making plays left and right and
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: he has those types of intercepts, that's okay. We can
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: live with that.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: You just don't want the mac jones back across the field.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Just dumb decisions, good play, right, you know.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I think the same things that we saw to see
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: those cleaned up.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: I mean with Drake we May sprays. I mean there
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: are are case and all, whoa, what was that?
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Not too consistent? But it's a huge question.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure, like step back like I don't I
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: look at more.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: You got to take a step forward. I agree, that's
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: what it is.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: He's got to cut down on those turnovers and he's
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: got to prove it in clutch time.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Those are the two big things, right.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: But Cole's bigger point that this season is mostly dependent
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: on coaching and Drake May's development. I agree with that absolutely.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I agree with absolutely.
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Deuce's point about clutch like we don't really know
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: what it looks like for Drake may in a meaningful
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: game when it's you know, they're down three two minutes left,
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: like can he orchestrate like we saw so many times
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: with Brady, Like can you orchestrate those types of drives?
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: You really didn't have the pressure of that moment too
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: often because of the you know, the failures of the
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: team last year, So we don't know like that. That's
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: the unknown in so many of these games right now
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: are decided by one score. So if it comes down
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: to that and he doesn't have that it factor yet,
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: then they're gonna lose those coin flip.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, you call it the if factor, and that's
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: really to me everything. It's there are a lot of
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: good quarterbacks in the league. There are a lot of
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: starting quarterbacks in the league, but the special quarterbacks are
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: the ones that when it's all on the line, they
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: make the plays. And those are the guys that win
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: playoff games and win Super Bowls. And how many times
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: you have to see Patrick Mahomes do it, you get
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: to a certain point, like with him and Brady, where
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: you know, teams are just not comfortable at all until
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: the clock hits zero. And I hope that that's what
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: kind of quarterback Drake. Make him be the guy and
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: the guy that you have to put every single nail
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: in that coffin because if you leave one of them out,
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: he's gonna bust out.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, let's go to Fidel in Tampa. Hey, Fidel, guys,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: doing good.
• 22:42
  Speaker 11: Good you talking about the YouTube channel growing. My favorite
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: video so far has been the draft reaction. So drafting
• 22:51
  Speaker 11: Will Campbell. The very first thing you hear is Bred going, wow,
• 22:56
  Speaker 11: it looks like his brother. Okay, he looks like a
• 23:00
  Speaker 11: Batman villain.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Well, the suit absolutely, the pit strike suit.
• 23:06
  Speaker 11: Yeah, there's no clappang, no nothing, just like it looks
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: like his brother.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, well he did.
• 23:14
  Speaker 11: But it is good. I love the draft. I think
• 23:18
  Speaker 11: Kyle Williams, I think it's probably one of my favorite picks.
• 23:22
  Speaker 11: I thought it was funny that we were in the
• 23:24
  Speaker 11: same scenario as we were when we drafted Sonny Michelle
• 23:28
  Speaker 11: and Nick Chubb with the brown and it splits, and
• 23:32
  Speaker 11: now they draft the running backs person we drafted Trayvon,
• 23:37
  Speaker 11: So I was wondering, what do you think. Do you
• 23:39
  Speaker 11: think we're gonna come out on the edge this time
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: and have a better producing running back or do you
• 23:44
  Speaker 11: think this fakes the same.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a good question. You know, Quentin John Jenkins
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: and Travon Henderson were neck and neck for everybody. It
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: was a coin flip of which guy you had over
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: the other. Jenkins is a little bit more of an
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: angry runner, downhill runner, you know, once to seek contact
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: instead of avoiding it.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: Traveon Henderson is more of a space back, a guy
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: that excels with you know, in space and with speed
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: and that sort of thing. So they're they're different but
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: similar because they both have good speed at the end
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: of the day, but they play differently. So it'll be
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: interesting to see which one ends up being better. I mean,
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: I personally preferred Henderson, and this was before he became
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: a Patriot. I personally preferred Henderson, but it was it
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: was really close. It was a toss up.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: I remember you've being surprised when Judkins went first.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, because I just think that he's he's a
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: guy that, like I said, he seeks contact, like he
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: wants to run you over. I personally would rather the
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: guy that runs around you instead of over you because
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: of the wear and tear and exactly that.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: It is funny that he brought it up because I
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: kind of thought of Chubb and Michelle in a similar fashion.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: I thought Michelle was more of the third down type
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: you can get, you get the ball in space a
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: little bit and use him as a receiver.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: He was not that as a Patriot.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Now, what we didn't know to the extent was just
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: how injured he was coming out of Georgia. And obviously
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Chubb had a far superior career. But I think that
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: I felt like there was a difference between Chubb and
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Michelle each other, difference between Judkins and absolutely and I
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: would have taken Michelle. Then I was wrong, just like
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: the Patriots were in terms of the skill set. I
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: like the skill set now. Chubb I think was a
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: better player at Georgia. I think Henderson was a better
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: player at Ohio State. So in one regard, I'm saying
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: I like what the Patriots did now I didn't like
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: what they did then.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Different guys, but they're different guys.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Ryan and Watertown says, speaking of the draft LFG Aside
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: from the long snapper pick, I love pretty much everything
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: the Patriots did. My question this week is about the
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: wide receiver room. I know it's early, but who do
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: you think might be gone once the regular season rolls around.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: That's gonna be a popular question.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, started already yesterday.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I really look at I love how you know
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: all of those guys, Yeah, started already yesterday.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Did that's none of the topics the roster.
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I would say two guys I would look at, uh,
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: you know, Kendrick Bourne. Is there is there a spot
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: for him, especially with Digs and Kyle Williams probably being
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: you know, base receiver types that Kendrick Bourne is like
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: it is there really a role for him? And then
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: Javon Baker I think is the other one. And I'd
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: probably put kish On Booty in that conversation too. But
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: I see a lot of people just because Javon Baker
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: was a fourth round pick last year, I think he's
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: going to be on the roster over Booty. But Booty's
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: got a lot more NFL production and flash, you know
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: to to his game. I mean, Javon Baker's done nothing.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: I'll give you that.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: For Polk, I think the fact that Polk is a
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: second years, second round pick probably gives.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Him a leg up.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not for a fourth round pick. There are plenty
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: of fourth round picks that wash out quickly, and I
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: agree with Evan.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: I have a little bit of question on Bourne, just
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: because if Digs isn't ready to go, what makes sense
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: to keep and have some veteran reliability.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: There another good point.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: I just looking at the depth chart immediately, it's like,
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: you know, I feel like at X they can run
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: anybody out there, but you know, to hang on to Bourne,
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: who had a great year.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: In McDaniel's system, it might.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: Be a little bit more explosive, this little more reliability.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: Maybe that's how I could see him. But I agree
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: with you on Booty. I think all those guys and Baker,
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: especially Baker's got to have it like a flawless camp.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's got to come out and put
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: it all together.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: And we all know those guys are going to have
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: to win jobs. Yeah, yeah, you know.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: And they did get rid of you know, a half
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: dozen players yesterday. Because all that, I think, I think
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: there's like seventeen undrafted free agency, so to get to
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: I think it's ninety one because I think one of
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: those is an international player.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: It's not he's not an international player.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: No, Okay, I thought I read yesterday somewhere on Twitter
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: that he was, but so some guys had to go.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: I don't think that, like Polk Baker, Boody Born. Chances
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: are those guys we are going to make it to
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: the spring and get to the camps and figure it out.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: I know that Booty is a guy that Adam Schefter
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: throughout there was a trade candidate. Anything could happen, sure,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: but they're not all going to make the team coming
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: out of training camp.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: So let the competition. This is what this is what
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Rabel kept.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: Talking about from the day that he signed, had his
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: introductory press conference. I think they I think they've created
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: all the competition, you know, in a number of places.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know how good.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: You know, like Mike started off when you're talking about
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: the draft, like there's still holes with depth, and I
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: agree with that, Like don't confuse you have a crowded
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: room with a lot of players in the room, Like
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: they have a lot of players at wide receiver. They
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: have a lot of offensive linemen right now. You know,
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: there's another one, you know, and Marcus Bryant is added
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: in with Cayden Wallace, you know, and Will Campbell with
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: you know, with these tackles that doesn't mean you have
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: a crowded tackle room, like you have to figure out
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: who can play before you say, oh wow, they're gonna
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: have some tough choices to make because you know, anyone,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: you know, with Marcus Bryant who played left tackle at Missouri,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: with you know, a very highly regarded right tackle at Membo.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Maybe he's a diamond in the rough seventh round pick
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: and maybe he's better than Kayden Wallace, who knows.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: You know, And we have to keep our eye on
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: digs like is he even going to be ready to
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: be in training camp? And maybe he starts the season
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: on pup or something like that, and you know it,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: it opens up a spot for someone who otherwise would
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: have had to go. So you know, we'll see what
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: his status is. But right now he's looking good from
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: the videos anyway.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: How did well Welker came right back?
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: I mean Welker played Week one.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Some people are built different.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Well was injured later. That's right, he was injured in
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: the last game of the season.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Smaller, so it's like to feal faster.
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: I think the tough part about it, we'll go with
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: that of the receiver room is I don't think there's
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: a lack of depth. I think there's a lot of
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: lack of top end talent. So, like, all these guys
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: that we're talking about are kind of the same talent level.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: So which one do you pick that's that's right point?
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: Right when you get into you know, kay Shan Boody,
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: Javon Baker, even Kendrick Bourne, like these Jalen Polk, like
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: these guys are all kind of the same. So who
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: wins out is going to be interesting. You know, Kyle
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: Williams is going to be on the team as a
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: third round pick. Diggs is obviously going to be here
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: in some capacity. Mac Collins I assume will be on
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: the roster, and I think Pop will be on the roster.
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: But like, those four are really the only guys that
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: are safe. You know, if you told me that it
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: was Javon Baker and not Kai Shan Boody that makes
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: the final cut, I couldn't argue with you. Like it's possible, it'd.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: Be fun to see a locked in Javon Baker. That's
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: like really getting it. I just I think he's got
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: a lot of talent and I don't know how it
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: would all manifest itself if it did all come to fruition.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: But you know, you see how the guy moved.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: Off the line last year, and that's a lot where we
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: talked about with Kyle Williams' ability to separate quickly, and
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: you know, it's just the concentration drops. It felt like,
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's remember like just Drake kept throwing them bombs,
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: throwing them bombs. He's dropping it. He just you know,
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: they just couldn't seem to connect. But maybe maybe he
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: comes out He's like my wild card, you know the
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: other guys. I feel like, you know what Booty kind
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: of is. I mean, I think Paul, you made a
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: good point. Agree with you on the radio. I think
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: I think you made it on the radio saying not
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: that I made a good point. Well that that you know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: Booty had a really good jump from first year to
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: second year.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: He emerged. No one thought he was really going to
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: do anything.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Why not have some hope that maybe he continues to
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: make a jump and it takes another step forward.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: I it was a good point, but your baker point.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: I do I.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Feel like his skill sets different than the others. And Evan,
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: you just talked about all those different guys that to
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: me are all similar. Yeah, yeah, I don't think Baker.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: You know, if you're asking me what I think is
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: going to happen with Baker, I don't think it's going
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: to click.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: I think there's some maturity issues there.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: I think there's some focus issues there, and I think
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: those are going to hold him back. I think it
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: held him back at Alabama and caused him to, you know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: have to sort of go to a smaller program. I
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: think it knocked him into the fourth round. So I
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: don't think it's like a new thing. He got to
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: the NFL and suddenly lacked focus. I think that's plagued him.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: So I'm skeptical on him. But in terms of skill set,
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: he might be a little different and have a little
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: bit higher skill set than that group that he's competing with.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I mean, that's exactly what motivates me the
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: same boat. I'm not confident, not bt BTT.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not banging the.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Table or PTT pound the table that one.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: That it's going to have. I'm not pounding or banging.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: I just say I hope that he's I hope he's
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: locked in because I mean, I think we had you
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: know vibes immediately with him from you know, the wheelchair
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: comments and all that stuff right out of gate that
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: you're like, dude, you know, and even his comments after
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: the year, not really understanding how much scrutiny everything he
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: said would be under And so you know, I don't
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: rule him out because some of these guys, it's their kids,
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: they're coming out. I mean, how many kids come out
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: of school in the first year of their job. They
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: don't really know what they're doing. But it's got a
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: click for him quick or else he's he's going to
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: quickly be off the team.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's too bad because there's me. Listen, the bar
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: wasn't very high last year, but there was a lot
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: of people in the building that thought that he was
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: the most talented receiver in the entire room last year.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: But he just doesn't have the maturity and he doesn't have,
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: you know, that whole thing to realize his potential. But
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: there's no question that he's a really talented player. I
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: don't think anybody's ever doubted that, even you know, going back,
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: like Paul said to Alabama, like he's an extremely talented athlete.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: DARPin or Dupon from New York City says, congrats on
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: the awesome draft coverage. Mike's increasing annoyance at the team
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: for foregoing defense on day two to help our promising
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: young quarterback was my highlight. Me too, Mike, It's too
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: early to op hating Drake or to start hating Drake
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: fair enough. My takeaway for the Pages draft is that
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: they are not trying to outsmart everyone. They kept it simple.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Nita left tackle, grabbed the consensus number five player that's
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: sitting right there, historic draft class at running back in
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: D line. Make sure to grab some and most important,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: respect the consensus rankings for at least the top one hundred.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Don't reach into the early rounds like the old regime Belichick,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: let's forget about Mail. Last year regularly did maybe because
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: they thought their evaluations were so much better than everyone else.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Not worried about the alleged reaches on day three. There
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: is no such thing as a reach on day three.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: In my humble opinion, I love the first part of
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: that about you know, the consensus was they were strong,
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: say edge strong running back, and we're gonna lean into that.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna look at you know.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: I remember the different years like well, this is this
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: is like a legendary wide receiver class. We're gonna zag
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: We're gonna take a wide receiver the following year like that.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: That's something that the Patriots did routinely in the latter
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: part of the Belichick era. The the way they're consensuously ranked,
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: I don't care as much about because I go by
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: the NFL teams, not by you know, the mel Kipers
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: of the world. Now, certainly great when when they marry
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: and they're they're similar. But these two guys have been
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: talking to me about running backs and edge guys for
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: you know, a couple of months, and they they targeted
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: those positions. I think that that's to me, that's smart.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: That's not trying to outsmart everybody, right, that's saying I agree,
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: these these spots are talented and they're deep, and we're
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: going to make sure we get somebody that is in
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: that talented and deep crop. I think that's smart drafting.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: It doesn't mean it's gonna work, no, but but there's
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: logical and I can understand.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: What they think.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: Like you just said it, Paul, that was I think
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: I said in Day three. It's just logically everything makes sense.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: You know, I think you got to a point where
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: some of Bill's drafts where you knew there was always
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: gonna be one pick that like, it's not a need,
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: it's a guy that was way down everyone else's draft boards.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: But Bill must see something, and you know, we all
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: respect him. So let's just hold our breath and see
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: what happens. But it was a little harder to talk
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: glowingly about Tavon Wilson, you know, than it is talking
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: about why they took Trayvon Henderson or why they took
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: Kyle Williams. It's just clear needs, and you know, especially
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: when just everything we talked about like they need to
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: get explosive, they tried to get explosive. So I just
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: I there aren't gets nitpicks. I mean making fun of
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: me about the defense.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: It's nitpicks.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: It's not like you're not going to get everything every year.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: And if you had to like punt on something, all right,
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: well you're not going to get one of those edges
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: that this year.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: It's fine.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: And frankly, this team can't afford to take chances. Yeah,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: they needs enough talent that you know, forget about the
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: developmental guys. Take the guys with the talent or on
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: tape and then coach him up when they get here.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Floyd and Redford, Michigan. I'm impressed with the draft, but
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: he says in capital letters. How do we says whether
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: or not Will Campbell will be a good or bad pick?
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: If he stays at left tackle and at least becomes
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Nate's solder, is a good pick to me. Having to
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: move him to guard means we once again need a
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: left tackle, which is not okay with me. How do
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: we fairly assess Will Campbell?
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, if he had to move to guard, he
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: was an exceptional guard, he was like an all Pro guard.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I mean that's not terrible.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's like a bust, but it.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Does mean we still need a tackle.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Right, And that's the unfortunate part. But I think he
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: needs to be.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: I think he would need to be a good tackle
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: to take with the fourth overall pick. You know, is
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: Nate Soldier good enough?
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Probably?
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Probably? Right?
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: Can we get Matt light out of it?
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: When I went on a Hearty show the other morning,
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: Michael Holly asked me if, like, well, if he gets
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: like one Pro Bowl and he has like ten years,
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: is that okay, and so I had to go. Look,
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: so Matt Light and Nate Solder had a Pro Bowl,
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: just one betweading me Matt Light went once. So if
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: he is.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Our left tackle for ten years, it's a good pick.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you shored up a position and
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: now Paul will say, well, does he play well for
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: ten years? Well, I believe if he stays for ten years,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: he's playing well.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: And I'd have a hard time arguing with Yeah, there's
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: no way he's going to keep his job for ten
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: years if he's just like you know, twenty fifth and
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: ps off every year.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: You've shored up a position of need for ten years,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: right pick.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: I would say where some of the nuance might come
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: is maybe kind of how Paul you felt about Matt
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: lighte where there are certain matchups, perhaps that as you
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: get going, you know, this week, we might have some
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: problems this, you know, like having it to single him
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: out for help or those kind of things like not ideal,
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: not ideal, you prefer not to have to worry, or
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: we got a really long edge.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: Rusher because you know, you know, I've been awfully, awfully
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: positive about his draft, and I feel that way I'm
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: not putting on an act. I feel strongly that they
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: took playmakers, and they needed playmakers. What I would be
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: concerned with is like, if he plays like Matt Light
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: when at Soldier, how much did Tom Brady make those
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: guys better than they really were?
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, bust the balls out.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: So that's a need.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: I need the fourth overall pick to be a better
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: player than Matt Light. Yeah, you know, ideally, Well that's
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: and that's what you would hope the fourth overall pick,
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: that you can stick him on an island with the
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: best pass rusher in the league.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: And I mean is that realistic? Probably not, But.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: If you're maybe the gate, But that's if you play
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: ten years.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be having to put Daniel Graham
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: next to him every time they play Jason Taylor, right right.
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I don't know. It depends on how
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: you to answer the question, like how does it look like?
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: How do you know what's he is?
• 39:39
  Speaker 12: He?
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: The player that I compared him to is Jake Matthews
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: in Atlanta, who is one Pro Bowl ten years, but
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: he's held down left tackle in Atlanta for a decade
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: and he's been a really good player. For the Falcons
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: to take it and a captain and all that kind
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: of stuff. And you know, the thing that you keep
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: hearing from everybody, I'm you know, I'm writing the future
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: on Will Campbell for the website, and people I've talked
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: to already at LSU and other places, they're just, you know,
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: this guy comes in and changes the culture of the
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: offensive line. You know, they really feel like he has
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: that kind of leadership that he is going to come
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: in and set a tone and you know, be an
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: example of work ethic and effort and toughness and all
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: the things that you look at. Now, if that ends
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: up manifesting itself in a guard, like is it that
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: might still be worth it. Like if he's still driving
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: the rest of the room the way that these people
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: describe him as, then he could be Zach Martin And like,
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: are we gonna come here ten years from now and
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: say bad pick as he's fitted for a red jacket,
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: Like if he's.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: An exceptional guard, Yeah, I'm not gonna kill I'm not
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: going to kill that pick.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Fred.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: I know you've been on that throughout the process, and
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: I've sort of gone back and forth with you a
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: little bit on it. But if he's that good as
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: a guard, you got to find a tackle still. But
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: at least you got a really really good guard. And
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: guards are important to uh, they matter, they matter. You
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: just don't want to have to take one at the
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: top of them. Have you hugged the guard, you know?
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: But if he's like the left tackle, like just for
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: argument's sake, if he's the left tackle for like a
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: year or two and he's solid, but clearly it projects
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: that he'd probably be better off inside. And they just
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: get into a situation where a premium left tackle kind
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: of falls into their lap. But he held down the
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: position for a year or two, and then they kicked
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: them inside because a you know, a Tyron Smith level player,
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: it just happens to be on the board for them
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: one year.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Right, Like I then okay, right, he can't argue with that, right, you.
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: Know, because that's what I see potentially if he's going
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: to move inside, I think that's what would have to happen.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: So in other words, not necessarily, because he just failed
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: and played the position, you got you had, okay, a tackle,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: and then we got an opportunity to upgrade there, and
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: now we're going to strengthen the left side of the
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: line by having both of them.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: On the left.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, my algorithm has somehow picked up a bunch of
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: like Will Campbell high school training videos like that must
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: be one of his coaches posting him dripping sweat, holding
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: like a forty five pound plate, like doing leg kicks.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, it looked like Dante Scarnekia putting him through
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: the drills. And just for me, it kind of brought
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: everything full circle because when he got so emotional about
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: everything he had been with, you don't really know what
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: these guys are doing. But when you see here's Will
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: Campbell in high school when probably a lot of his
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: friends weren't doing what he's doing, and he's, you know,
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: lugging a forty five pound plate up and down the field,
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: you know, you just it puts a little more context
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: into his journey. And I just keep going back though
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: with him. As soon as I heard him talk, I'm like,
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: this guy is Mike Rabel, Like he is a Rabel
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: kind of guy. And when you heard Rabel call him,
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: it sounded exactly like you. You do things the way
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: we want to do it, and not to me, aside
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: from the physical talent, just such a culture fit and
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: such a what like what Evan said, what's needed. It's
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: like an anchor for this offensive line and to give
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: them some identity.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Well you you definitely see with how they're building the
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: roster so far that one of the high priorities is
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: building that culture. Yeah, absolutely setting up that culture.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, just real quick, I got to see one
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: other thing, like just contrast last year, and I mean,
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: I hate to I'm not gonna compliment you again too much, Paul,
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: but like you know, it was like you just.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Look at the difference between a new regime.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: A new regime came in.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: This year and it is a totally different team that
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: they're going to put on the field this year. I mean,
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: it was we want to put our stamp on it,
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: and when you look at it in contrast to last year,
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: it was we're going to try to hold on to
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: a lot of the pieces and kind of make a
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: version of what it previously was without you know, doing
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: what Rabel's doing, which is I'm going to make this
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: my team. I'm gonna put my stamp on it. I'm
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: going to put all my guys into into positions to
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: be successful. So at that to me is just really
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: been remarkable as we look at the off season as
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: a whole, with free agency in the draft.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Talking about it a little bit right as 're Abel
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: took over and Fred, I think you and I did
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: the two thousand and one thing, Like we talked a
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: lot about this.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: This is going to be an overhaul.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: They're gonna there's gonna be a lot of guys that
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: you're not necessarily expecting to not be a part of
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: the equation. And there have been a few of those already,
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: and I think there'll be more Bentley, you know, there'll
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: be more of those those guys like that. You know,
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: some that they let go as free agents, Son that
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: they let go not as free agents, like Andrews and Bentley,
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: and you know, I mean you just look at the draft.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: I mean that they're drafting a kicker, They're drafted a
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: long snapper. Is probably going to be some of the
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: specialists are going to turn over to So I'm not
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: surprised by that. You know, Mike was part of that
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: two thousand and one class and probably was the the
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: poster child for that two thousand and one free agent class,
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: and he saw the impact that it had on the
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: team right away. Yes, Tom Brady was largely responsible for
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: the success, but that team was better, well, an old
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: team was a lot better in one than it was
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: in two thousand, and that's because Bill a completely overhauled
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: the roster.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, why do you think Bill, I mean maybe he didn't,
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: But why do you think Bill waited until the next
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: year to do it?
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I didn't do a good question.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: I'm sure he had enough time, yet he didn't get
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: all the red tape handled until it was like February.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: By the time he really died, he was able to
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: dive into it. And I also think.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: By red tape you mean the league stuff.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right now.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: I mean clearly he was looking at the Patriots roster
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: before that. I'm not naive, but I think there were
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: also some veterans that were involved that maybe he wasn't
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: necessarily looking to.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Just get get rid of immediately. Some he did. I
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: think Coats went right away.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you don't think Earthwind Morland was you know
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: that was later?
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: That was like four was that?
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Who were the guys in two thousand that were like?
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Who are these guys? I forget like he mentioned some
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: of the names.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Like well, I was thinking more of like the Chris
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Slades and the Bruce Armstrongs of the world.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, probably seen better.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: They were right, and you know, and it took him
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: a little bit to figure out, Okay, this one can
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: stay out. One needs to go that one in then,
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: you know, I think it was mostly yeah, you're right,
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: mostly all one that he got, like the Anthony Pleasants
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: and the Rick Lyles and the Bobby Hamilton's his guys.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: I just remember was that Thanksgiving game in two thousand
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: in Detroit. What a miserable game. And to me that
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: was like epitomize like the dearth of talent that that
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: team had.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: They just struggled.
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: They had some salary cap stuff too, right, and two
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: thousand and kind of reset the books that year. Maybe
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: that was why it took a year, because back then
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: the salary cap was.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: A little it's possive, it was a little tougher.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was meaningful then because there was much smaller.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: David Bethlehem This is for Evan. Has anyone done retrospective
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: studies on how various draft rating lists compared to actual
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: PFF ratings after one year two years? Uh?
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean there are studies that have been done
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: like that, and nothing is ever perfect like drafting. If
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: they just took like someone's consensus media board and drafted
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: off the consensus media board, there's going to be hits
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: and misses, just like there are doing it, you know,
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: a more scientific way. But I will say in recent
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: years it's been the teams that have drafted based off consensus,
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: and then also the teams that have had good draft
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: grades that are mostly based off of what we all
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: thought of the class going in to the draft, that
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: have done pretty well for themselves. Not all the time,
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: but there's data that suggests that that the consensus board
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: is just as good as NFL evaluators, which is kind
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: of crazy.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: So I was kind of interested in that email, and
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: I think Evan answered it one way, and I'm wondering
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: if he was looking for it a different way. He
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: kind of said, if anybody has ever done any analysis
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: on the player rankings, you know, the pre draft rankings
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: and then looking at PFF. So in other words, as
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: he's saying, like, so they had Will Campbell as you know,
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: ot one as you kids like to say, right kids,
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: and then you go, you know whatever, you know, let's
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: go Campbell, Membo Banks Simmons Now when we look, say,
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: after two years of PFF rankings, is Campbell the highest
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: ranked out of that class?
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: You know right, that's what I was wondering, if he's,
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: if he's, if anyone's ever done it.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Two years?
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean as opposed to like teams that follow
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: the board right how closely?
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Because I think that's a thing too.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people starting to analyze is
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: there a close they are?
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I know the pro football focus, is there a college football?
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Does college?
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah? They do college now, which is actually really helpful,
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: but yeah, they there's been studies done by the kids
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: these days as politics to call them, Uh you know,
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: that suggests that for the most part, the consensus, not
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: every individual media guy, but the consensus of one hundred
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: different media people tends to be pretty accurate, right, and
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: so if you ask the data, you know, That's that's
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: why these consensus boards have become so popular is because
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: it's pretty good, Like it's not perfect, but it's pretty
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: good at judging who the best players are in a
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: draft and just looking you know, anecdotally, because someone asked
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: me this on Twitter, so I just kind of looked
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: back at some of the draft grades in recent years
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: of Patriots right now have the consensus number one draft
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: class in the NFL, but how accurate is that really
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: to projecting forward? And the last couple of years it's
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: you know, been the Jets in twenty twenty two, that
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: Garrett Wilson Sauce Gardner draft. You know, twenty three was
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: Pittsburgh or no Philly sorry, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith. So
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: a lot of it's like two first round picks or
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: two high picks, you know, at the top of the
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: draft at help. But for the most part, you know,
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: they it's been pretty pretty good. And then the teams
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: that draft the most based off the consensus, Philly Baltimore
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: like teams like that are some of the teams that
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: we all consider the best drafting teams going in the NFL.
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: It always seems like Baltimore has some consensus great player
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: that you know as their first round pack. It was
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: Malchi Starks this year, and he'll probably be just like
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: Kyle hamilton'll they'll both be studs.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: So I'm not saying it's perfect, but there's a good day.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: I can tell you definitively. I've spoken to people inside
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: the building. They do analysis of the Monks.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: You know, when when the draft is over, they get
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: a bunch of different you know, you know, the higher
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: profile guys in some of the lower profile guys, and
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: they figure out who was close and who wasn't, and
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: they lean on that data moving forward.
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: I just keep thinking about a player like Josh Simmons, though,
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: who wouldn't have made sense for the Patriots, but could
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: end up being the best tackle in the class. And
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: then when you look back on it, well, did they
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: have the ranking wrong or you know, was.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: It just special circumstance.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: Gronk exactly like Gronk everybody loved except for Greg Bdard.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: And you know, obviously I'm not killing all the teams
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: that didn't take Gronk.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: In the first round. There's an obvious.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: Reason why Gronk wasn't selected in the first round, you know.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: So that's that part that has to be part of
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: the equator.
• 51:13
  Speaker 6: George Pickens is another one. Like everybody looks back on
• 51:16
  Speaker 6: that Taekwon draft and George Pickens. I think Pickens might
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: have went to pick after two picks later. It was
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: very very clear.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Wide receivers right after.
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: But at the time, you know, in the moment. Pickens
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: had some real concerns about his character and about his makeup,
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: and it was you know, it was a young football
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: team and a team with the second year quarterback, and
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: they just didn't feel comfortable. And I'd say the same
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: thing about Luther Burden, Like Luther Burden might very well
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: go on in Chicago and be a hell of a
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: football player, but he had concerns coming out of college.
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: There was a reason that they passed on Luther Burden
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: and took Treyvon Henderson. It wasn't just because they thought
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: he was a better.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Player, right Luther. Thinking of Luther Ryan and Atlanta, I'm
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: super happy with the Pagris draft. They did a job
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: getting good players at good value. And I can't remember
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: when the national media was this high on the Patriots.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: My question, Nobe, the last year Belichick was here, Elliott Wolf.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Looked like a different person in the media this year
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: compared to last year. Do you think he sticks around
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: after what seems to be a successful draft cycle. I
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: do so. I wanted to bring this up. I mean,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: he he said that for him, this regime made the
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: process that much easy for him, Like it was just
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: much more organized than last year. So that was Elliot
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Wolf talking about the effect of the new regime at him.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: And I've also heard insiders say that Elliott Wolf did
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: an amazing job with this draft that you know, he
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: ran that room. This was this was his draft. You know,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: we all talked about, oh, you know, Rabel has the
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: final say, I'm told Wolf ran this draft and this
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: was his draft, and so all signs point to him
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: going nowhere.
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he's the first guy talking to the
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: to the prospects right when they were have to you know,
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: first from him to too Rabel and onto mister Kraft.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean I think he's here to stay.
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: And it seems like from the weekend they talked about
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: having some discussion about we want this guy with you know,
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: active productive disagreement, which is the next step in this.
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: When they all started, they said, you know it's not
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: going all be sunshine and rainbows and'ro can agree on everything.
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: So it seems like this group's coming together. You've heard
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: it from Cowden and Vrabel. It is a miss a
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: mishmash of you know, some different holdover people, people that
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: like Ryan Cowden was with the Giants, So you have
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: a lot of different pieces coming in, had to expect
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: to take a little time to settle in, but successful draft.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: That's a good sign.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: PS from Ryan. Can someone tell Felga to quit complaining
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: about this draft class, especially when he can't even enunciate
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: the player's names correctly. I feel like all that guy
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: does is spread pessimism over the team and he will
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: never be happy with what they do. Paul, Yeah, tell
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: them to be accurate.
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: That's it, That's all I asked for. He can have
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: whatever opinion you want. But when he says, oh, you
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: know they draft a kicker and a long snapper and
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: they only had eight picks, well, no, they had eleven picks.
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: They didn't have eight picks, you know, Like it just
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: things like the difference. Yeah, Like that's a big difference
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: when you use a seventh round pick on a long
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: snapper and you've already drafted ten guys, Like it's not
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: really like you're you're wasting.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Such a golden gem.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: And you know me, I can get wound up about
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: it pretty much anything. I just can't lose my mind
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: over like these like sixth and seventh round picks, Like.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: You like, do I think they should have taken a
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: long snapper. No, but who cares? Like, why are you
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: so upset about the two hundredth pick of the draft?
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: Well, you're consistent, Paul, because a lot of people go
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: the other way and are like, we got.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: This guy in the seventh round.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Manah, I don't know the little flyer every guy.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: That's why it was only a little bit tongue in cheek,
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: like when was the last time they were universally applauded,
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: Like Belichick, I'm telling you, year after year after year,
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: would you draft these guys? And it was like hey, hey, hey,
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: because Bill took them and they had to be really
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: with day with diamonds in the rough on Day three,
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: even though the last ten years of his tenure there
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: weren't too many diamonds on the rough. Coming out of
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: the draft. He was struggling. As Mike, you know, has
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: gone to great links to point out over the years.
• 55:13
  Speaker 6: Well you just can't have it both ways, Like you
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: can't get on them for drafting a long snapper. But
• 55:17
  Speaker 6: then also every six and seventh round pick is meaningless, right,
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: Like you have to be consistent.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: Well, that's why that's why I don't care snapper and
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: I don't care about six and seventh row.
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: But for every time that you know, someone comes in
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: here and hypes up a di Mario Douglas getting drafted
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: in the sixth round, and you get, oh, it's a
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: sixth round pick, Like, what does it matter? And then
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: like some of the Mike on Wendy, like some of
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: those guys do go on to be decent football players.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: And that would be my argument he cannot take in
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: the long snapper would be that like, yeah, I know
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: it's a one out of ten, one out of twenty,
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: but I'll take that. Like whereas my long snapper, I
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: can just sign. There's a million of them out there.
• 55:53
  Speaker 13: Now.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Again, the kicker, to me is a little different. The
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: kicker was a little different. You didn't really have a
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: kicker on the roster. And if you identif find this
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: guy as the best, which as Evan has said, we
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: talked about it in our show that we did before
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: a pre show, everybody had that guy number one. So
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: if you thought he was that much better than everybody else,
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: take him what he had eleven picks, use one of
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: the thing and make sure.
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: You get tomorrow.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Baltimore was probably gonna take you.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: So the only thing the only thing I would worry
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: about again, because you know, I'm contractedly obliated to be concerned.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: He's a kicker from Miami. He's got a kick up here.
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: It's a big difference, that's true.
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: It's got a boomer though.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big difference though in the elements.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Good one?
• 56:39
  Speaker 8: Hey today, good.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Question.
• 56:44
  Speaker 14: I know it's already been hacked. You bring it, but
• 56:46
  Speaker 14: out here I get you well anyway, wide receiver room,
• 56:53
  Speaker 14: and he was talking about the undrafted the day sign
• 56:57
  Speaker 14: and some of them gave him raised on the receivers
• 57:00
  Speaker 14: that they did get so, and I don't think Met
• 57:03
  Speaker 14: Collins might be out no besides the original ones, or
• 57:08
  Speaker 14: do you think anybody else in the class might just
• 57:11
  Speaker 14: step up and show him to eight. I'm here and
• 57:14
  Speaker 14: now take it off there.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, have a good day now you too.
• 57:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So the receiver he's talking about is Efton Chisholm,
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: who they signed from Eastern Washington as an undrafted free agent.
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: And I watched a little bit of his tape yesterday
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: and he's a McDaniel's jitterbug slot Like this guy is exactly,
• 57:33
  Speaker 6: Like it's like shades of like Riley McCarron, right, like
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: all over again, great like agility testing at his pro
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: day iran a sub seven three cone you know, eightieth
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: percentile type agility numbers really quick, not fast, but quick,
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: and you know, jitterbuggy and tough to cover in tight spaces.
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: Like literally every cliche that you could come up with
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: is what Efton Chisholm is like, So you know he's
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: he's McDaniel. Like, there's no doubt in my mind that
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: Josh McDaniel scouted Afton Chisholm and said, can we side
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: this guy?
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: And don't forget once training camp's over, they're gonna have
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: to fill out a practice squad. Yeah, you know, so
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: these guys may not make, you know, wide receivers, they
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: may not make the roster, but you need to have
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: that practice squad too. I just think, how big is
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: it now?
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: Sixteen sixteen Again, when you're desperate, you need to throw
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: a lot at the wall. And that's why I like
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: having a packed depth chart. Doesn't mean any of those
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: guys are going to emerge, but maybe the competition will
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: be enough that like again, the message to Javon Baker
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: is like, dude, you better bring it because if you don't,
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: you're going to be out.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Arizona.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: Cole.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: What's up?
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: Cole?
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Hey?
• 58:46
  Speaker 15: How you doing? Can you guys hear me? Okay, yeah,
• 58:50
  Speaker 15: I'm sorry sport to start off by saying, I second
• 58:52
  Speaker 15: that ps about Felder. It's about the millionth power. But anyways,
• 58:57
  Speaker 15: about why I called I of the Will Campbell pick
• 59:01
  Speaker 15: day one after the draft last year, I was baying,
• 59:04
  Speaker 15: I was btt in the table for him, and then
• 59:06
  Speaker 15: watching Venerian Lowe and Montre Jacobs last year just solidified
• 59:11
  Speaker 15: my opinion on that pick. And then so I got
• 59:14
  Speaker 15: a question going into the Gonzo Draft, if I would
• 59:17
  Speaker 15: have told you three years straight you would get your cornerstone, corner, quarterback,
• 59:22
  Speaker 15: and left tackle. I know that's a little bit fold
• 59:24
  Speaker 15: on Will Campbell, but you know, if he is like
• 59:26
  Speaker 15: that Jake Matthews type that Evan said, I will sign
• 59:30
  Speaker 15: up for that.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: I will sign up for that. If they get three
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: cornerstones and threat drafts. Right now, I'm pretty sure they
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: have one of those three.
• 59:38
  Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with Dotto, And I know
• 59:42
  Speaker 16: take that with a grain of salt. Those other picks
• 59:44
  Speaker 16: haven't been let's just say the best. But and I
• 59:47
  Speaker 16: got one question, then I'll take it off air. When
• 59:49
  Speaker 16: can we get harder on the show? I miss him,
• 59:52
  Speaker 16: just him his fency humor, picking on Eric. I'll take
• 59:55
  Speaker 16: it off air.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: But who did he say? Who called hardo? Oh? Is
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: that okay? Heart?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: I just you know, because we were talking about the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: roster and stuff, we should probably just give a little
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: uh the release of the six players yesterday it was
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: it was Jake Andrews, Marcus Harris, Jaquay Jackson. That's Mike's
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: favorite because Mike is evidently goes well down the death
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: shot at wide receiving Mike Uh, Titus Leo, Mark Perry,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: and Giovanni Ricci.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: So of course they got to get rid of the Italian.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 6: He's he's like a full back, and they they're signing
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: brock LAMPI.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: I saw, you know the name full back back baby.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: Okay, it's amazing they didn't have to use like a
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: fourth round pick on that nice stunner.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 6: I saw yesterday. You know, they ran a power lead
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: and then they ran play action right after off the
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: lead action, and I was like, yeah, full back's back.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: There we go.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Have you have you watched any of it? Was it
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: lann len Larisson? Is that?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: A little bit?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: You know, it's funny because like I compared Chisholm to
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: like Ryley McCarron and those guys. This guy's like Danny
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 6: Wood Danny Woodhead, right, Like he's just another one of these.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: Uh you know why bug small school running backs did
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: have some pretty good tape against cal So, Like he
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: had like one FBS game from last year. I was
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: able to get my hands on that he he played
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: pretty well in. But it's like all it's too funny,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 6: Like all of those stereotypes are coming back now that
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: Josh is back. It's you know, the Danny Woodhead running back,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: the Ryley McCarron, you know, Austin Carr, Gunner Ol Chefsky
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: slot receivers like that. It's all all of those things
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: are back.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: You know how I give you the I played the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: hits of the slot receivers. Evan plays a whole different cast.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: That's how many of those guys that I've had, Yeah,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: the Austin car and Gunneryl Schevsky.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this guy reminded me of so much of like
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 6: Riley McCarran. Like, I was, like, this is a carbon
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: copy of Riley McCarron.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: All right, Uh so we're all gushing about the draft, Trevor,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: and Missouria is going to bring us back down to earth.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: I think we have a visitor.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, well we'll hold off on reading that email.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: We've got somebody here, okay, so why don't we bring
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: him in? Hi, come on, hey.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: That guy.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Hey, guys, bring him in. Open the door.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: All right, Aaron there you.
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  Speaker 8: Right, curse right.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Nice to meet, and thank you for saying your name
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: because I've heard it pronounced about a million ways Kylevon
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: so Calevon.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: I told you don't ever know the name. I told
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: you don't trust those pronunciations.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: I know you're right. Well, welcome, thank you, thanks for
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: joining us. So how's it going so far?
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 8: Fantastic, fantastic. I'm excited to be a part of it.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: You got some tigers coming in.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 17: Yeah, we're going big with it. I feel like Boston
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 17: has a thing for about your baby. Hell yeah, bring
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 17: them on.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: In one my l s U.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: I have a lot of them. Have a purple one,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: a grayish one with some yellow color.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Big Tiger.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 8: That's go and do that. Do that.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: That's a tough gold.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 8: That's a that's a tough gold.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: I gotta tell you Yellow.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: So have you had a chance to talk to Campbell
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: at all? And just like you know, Tiger to Tiger, No,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: I haven't got a chance. I wanted to catch him
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: in the build. I'm sure his phone going crazy.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 17: Yeah, there's a bunch of contexts and so I definitely
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 17: want to catch him in the building and just obviously
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 17: get good introduced into each other. Obviously, I kept up
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 17: with him through his time and other shoes, so super excited.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 8: To have him.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: Did you have any relationship with any of the guys
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: you know? No, not five years.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I didn't get a chance to go back and
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 17: get it go back obviously and be with the team
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 17: as much as I wanted to. But I'm super familiar
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 17: with the guys, so I always get good a chance
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 17: to watch the game. So I'm huge fans of everybody
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 17: that's getting chance.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: I know these guys are going to have some more ski.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: I know you'll have scheme related questions, but I want
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: to ask you specifically.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: He doesn't know yet. They haven't started.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 6: Okay, I got past.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: Questions real quick though with the l s U stuff,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: because we talked a lot with Will and then he
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: has like the number seven. It's like that playmate thing
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: that started with Patrick Peterson. You were eighteen.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: Isn't that a significant number for LSU two?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 8: Yes?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: Can you explain that a little bit?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: No?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 17: Most definitely, So eighteen I was I was voted on
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 17: upon the team, the team and guy and staff and
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 17: around the building and just it definitely it solidifies and
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 17: it kind of shows and me and another guy, little
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 17: Christian Berry, I was centered.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 8: We both we shared it that year.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 17: But it just kind of exemplifies the leadership and the
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 17: character that that the LSU Tigers kind of trying to
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 17: represent and we try to implement. Obviously just going through
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 17: the program. So obviously it was a super super appreciative
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 17: thing and grateful to be able to just receive that.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 17: Called me off guard a little bit and not saying
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 17: that I didn't feel like I was truly available capable
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 17: of it. But when you think of it, man, it's
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 17: just a great guys. They got a chance to wear
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 17: that and you don't take that, take that, take that
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 17: for granted. So to be able to be a part
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 17: of that history to wear that number just and always
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 17: be ish and Stoneman.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 8: I'm super grateful to be a part of that.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: I love those traditions on the sucker for those Yeah,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: absolute the college number thing that you know, like William
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: McGinnis fifty five with your junior says of those traditions.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: I got an issue with a duel carter, but he
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: did all right, that's for another that's for another show.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: He basically said, I shot my shot.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 8: I heard shot that was.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 17: That was a full court shot.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: A good way to put it.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: Paul's being modest by the way. He loved you coming
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 6: out of the draft, and he when we signed you
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: as a free agent, Paul is like he finally came
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 6: back around.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: There.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: He got people making fun of me for being a fanboy.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: I just I did want to ask you about some
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: of the early impressions of coach Rable and coach Trell
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: Williams and all the guys and everything. What are your
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 6: early impressions since you've been in the building of the
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 6: coaching staff.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 17: Man, super appreciated to be around coaching staff like this.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 17: A lot of former players, a lot of guys who
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 17: know the game real well be able to teach you
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 17: way that allows you to implement your own style and
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 17: still get the job done. So obviously, with very well
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 17: being the ex player, a guy who's played my position,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 17: who's who's one who's who has some success and longevity
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 17: in the league, he understands that the al the job
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 17: can be done in many ways. You know, obviously that
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 17: there's a certain style and identity that we want to
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 17: play with, but obviously there's a technique that there a
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 17: lot of everybody obviously, when it comes to the physical
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 17: skill set and just kind of what you possess and
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 17: kind of how you see the game, you kind of
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 17: just everybody kind of has their own way of going
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 17: about it. So and he allows that, He allows the
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 17: room to kind of just be yourself and kind of
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 17: go out there and play ball. So super pleased to
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 17: to to have that and have that that that longer leash,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 17: as you may say, to kind of go out there
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 17: and to be dominant.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 8: And it's been great so far.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 17: Man, He's been such a huge help him, Coach Williams,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 17: my coach, coach Smitty just kind of just being there
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 17: step by step. Man, I feel like I'm kind of
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 17: being just that annoying pest a little bit, just asking
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 17: so many questions, just trying to especially the vaibel. I mean,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 17: you've done it, you know what I'm saying. Like, you've
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 17: done what I'm trying to do. You've been next to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 17: obviously another great pass rusher itself and kind of just
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 17: being dominant. So you know what it takes to win
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 17: championships and get there. So man, I'm soaking in everything
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 17: about this moment and I love everything that came with it.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: I've ever heard that he's so hyper detailed that like
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: he'll have something about like your hand placement or your
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 6: footwork or some of minute detail. Has he done anything
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: like that with you yet?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 8: Definitely? Definitely. Yeah.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 17: So it's just hand placement, like as you're speaking of
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 17: pad level, Like he'll just will be in admitted any
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 17: drill and he saw something that was in special teams
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 17: and he's like, hold on, hold, let me step to
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 17: the side, and kind of just I can't get it
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 17: off my mind. I got to show you. I got
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 17: to make sure you know the right way, and because
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 17: it will be a failure on both our parts. In
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 17: his part, he feels like itself. You know what I'm saying,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 17: if he don't give us the right technique and the
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 17: right you know what I'm saying, right skill sell or
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 17: the tool bag to go out there.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 8: And out dominant perform.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 17: So, Man, he's been super super critical in detailed when
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 17: it comes to the minor things and what you should be. Obviously,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 17: it starts nowt it starts to so when everythings kind
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 17: of get tough or whatever, we hit our adversity and
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 17: whenever it comes during the season, we just go back
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 17: to this time of the year when we just dig
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 17: into our foundation that we building, our fundamentals and everything
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 17: and take care of yourself from them.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: I want to ask you about last year, I mean
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: your most productive year in the league. What kind of
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: came together last year for you and how do you
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: feel like you can build on it here in New
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: England this year?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 8: Definitely.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 17: I'm just getting a chance just to take in the
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 17: nuggets that I've been gaining all over the years. Man,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 17: each I've gotten a chance to play next to a
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 17: pro bowler and Josh Allen, Man I've gotten checks.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 8: And play too.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 17: I think it's a future Hall of Famer and Max Crosby.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 17: So each person that I'm getting a chance to be
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 17: I'm getting great coaches and I'm just taking nuggets. I'm
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 17: putting them all in my toolbox, and I'm just trying
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 17: to figure out which way is my way and that
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 17: can get me to have the success and for personal
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 17: and team success. So last year, getting a chance to
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 17: have that opportunity to go out there and perform it
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 17: definitely helps. Having a dominant pastres on opposite in and
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 17: gain that attention where you have these one on one
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 17: battles and then you just have to go out there
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 17: and just be better than the man across you. And
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 17: I feel like my coaching and my preparation is definitely
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 17: put me in a way of walking out dominate my
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 17: opponent in any one on one matchup. So when it
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 17: came to last year, it was definitely just a sense
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 17: of this man, understand which opportunity is and go produce.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 8: So I was super excited for it.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 17: I didn't make sure I didn't take anything anything for granted,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 17: and I just went out there and tried to give
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 17: everything I had.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: Were the differences in the schemes that you had in
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: Jacksonville as opposed to last year.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Yeah, definitely a difference. Last year was a four
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 8: to three defense.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 17: Jacksonville was a multiple defense, so it was a lot
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 17: of outsiur linebackers kind of like somebody's going somebody's not
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 17: a hybrid. They played out, but I mean even still
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 17: just kind of nowadays, everybody's kind of playing more sub front,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 17: you know, just kind of getting down to the fidawn front.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 8: But how it was.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 17: Just last year in Vegas, It's like, man, there's no
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 17: even thinking about it. You got the best pass rushing
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 17: in the league. They fell in Max Crosby and you
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 17: have another pass rusher and they feel like it's dominant
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 17: as well. They can win the one on ones. Let's
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 17: start with their and that'll erect the game itself, and
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 17: we're kind of figure out everything else on the back end.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 17: So obviously the team's successful is where we wanted to be.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 17: But when it comes to I feel like the Pastors
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 17: production that it definitely produced a lot for sure.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Do you like coming off the left or right side?
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: What do you prefer?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 8: I like getting to the quarterback matter, just know where
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 8: I'm at.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, off the field. Have you had a chance to
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: settle into New England yet? How familiar were you with
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: the area before you got here? And what's your impressions
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: of living in New England so far.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 17: I'm still justin. I'm still adjusting. I'm trying to figure
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 17: it out. Definitely trying to figure out the weather here.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 17: I think that's just something I'm just gonna have to
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 17: just accept whatever the day comes with. But then I'm
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 17: still adjusted, just trying to get familiar with the areas
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 17: around and kind of where to be at and not be.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 17: But everybody's been super nice and definitely accepting here, and
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 17: I'm super appreciative. I think I get a chance to
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 17: go to my first Celtics game today, so I'm looking
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 17: forward to seeing what that atmosphere is like and kind
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 17: of just.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Don't mess around down.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: Have you watched that Celtics City documentary that's on HBO
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: now didn't get a chance to, Well, if you wanted
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: a good history of the Celtics, I would recommend it.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to definitely put that on the team.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Are you Are you an NBA fan? Yeah?
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm a huge You.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: Would be in the NBA if you weren't playing in
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: the NFL. I assume, like all the rest of the players.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Since you've never lived here, I'm assuming Celtics. What's who's
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: your team from Houston? So I'm always rocking with the Rockets, man.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: So we took it up yesterday. But we got a
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: game tomorrow, man, so looking forward to seeing how we
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: come out. Okay, I would have to. I was there.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 6: You got one of ours an email coaching the thing.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 6: Who was that sidebar?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: That was?
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 8: Never mind?
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: Like three rawlins he was playing for Atlanta.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Went, I thought it was Houston. Never mind.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 8: We got a pololize about that.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough keeping the dream, that's all.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, t mac man, come, I'll ask football.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: Drag us down.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: Uh used the double swipe a lot, and I'm just curious,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 6: you know what, what do you like so much about
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: that move? And what's it like? Sack and Patrick Mahomes.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 17: But I mean, don't it's a it's a great move.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 17: I think it's an opportunity. They get a chance to
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 17: get your shoulders towards the quarterback and get you to
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 17: see the quarterback. That's the biggest thing part of the
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 17: past shorts and kind of just knowing obviously you're going
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 17: to get somebody who's back towards quarterback. He never knows
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 17: where he's really stepping up, stepping back, moving. So once
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 17: you kind of get those shoulders and those hips turned
• 1:12:48
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  Speaker 8: So it gives you a lot of options.
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  Speaker 2: For sure.
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  Speaker 6: I think the Chiefs they signed the tackle and they
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  Speaker 6: drafted because you kept on, we got it, we gotta
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  Speaker 8: You got to fix that. Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 8: What's going on? How y'all doing?
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  Speaker 13: First off, for any questions, I just want to, you know,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 13: say a special thank you to the Crafts, the entire
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 13: Patriots coaching staff. It's a complete honor and privilege to
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 13: represent this organization. I'm super excited to be a part
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 13: of this and I'm looking forward to what the future holds.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 13: And Wing open up with some questions.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I quote very passionately sorry about that night. Last night.
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  Speaker 10: You spoke very passionately about a conversation you had with
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 10: Elliott Wolfe in week five of last year where you
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 10: said New England is where I want to go to.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 10: New England is where I want to play. What was
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 10: the spark maybe behind that passion? And given the fact
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 10: that there's a whole new coaching staff here, I don't
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 10: think Drake had even played at that point. What caused
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 10: you to think that way? And I guess that is
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 10: this the culmination of that conversation?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I think you know, the biggest thing for me
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 13: was I wanted to play for an organization that had history,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 13: that cared, that wants to win. That's the thing for me.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 13: I want to come in and I want to win,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 13: and I want to do whatever it takes to help
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 13: the team win. And you know, Drake is a heck
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 13: of a player. I'm super excited to, you know, build
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 13: our relationship. Coach Brabele is a guy that I want
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 13: to play for. This is an organization, you know, the
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 13: proof is in the pudding with this place, and that's
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 13: something that I want to be a part of. So
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 13: for me to be able to represent you know, this
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 13: organization where that logo on the side of my helmet
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 13: and on the front of my jersey, it's everything I
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 13: could ever ask for.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 20: You go ah, hey, well over here, welcome to New England.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 20: Congratulations and getting drafted. Coach Rabel told us yesterday about
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 20: your workout. You know, we know we had the blocking
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 20: pad if you put them on the ground. Setting that aside,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 20: he'd also expressed he could tell in your eyes you
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 20: made a point that day to get drafted number four overall.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 20: Can you provide some more detail what that visit and
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 20: workout was like you did to obviously deliver yourself as
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 20: a number four pick.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 13: Yeah. I mean for me, it was just coming out
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 13: there and you know, giving them everything that they flew
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 13: down there to get, showing how intent I was, how
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 13: coachable I can be, and just really having all lives
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 13: on what they wanted to see whatever they wanted to see,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 13: I was willing to do no matter what it was,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 13: and that's something that I just wanted them to know
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 13: because I'm going to do whatever they asked me to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 13: do to help this team win in any way that
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 13: I can.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 21: Congratulations, Welcome to New England. Mike Rabele was saying yesterday that,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 21: you know, sounds like you're probably going to play left
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 21: tackle here at least give you that opportunity. What does
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 21: that mean to you and how important is that to
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 21: you to play left tackle?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean it's a pretty cool opportunity to have.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 13: You know, I'm just super thankful for them giving me
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 13: this opportunity, to them believing in me. I'm super excited
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 13: for what the future holds here and I really just
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 13: can't wait to get back out here after today and get.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 8: Back to work.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 22: Hi Will, congratulations on getting drafted. I'm just curious. I
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 22: know you were number sixty six at LSU and it
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 22: seems like you're gonna wear that here as well. Just
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 22: what's the significance of that number for you?
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean it's just something I started wearing my
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 13: freshman year in high school. That number is going with
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 13: me as I've grown as a player and I continue
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 13: to grow as a player. So I'm just super thankful
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 13: that Wes was able to, you know, let me wear
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 13: that and then it all just worked out. But yeah,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 13: I'm just looking forward to.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 23: It real nice to meet you. Congratulations. What has today
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 23: been like for you? What have you been doing? You know,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 23: you got on the plane, you came here, what did
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 23: you do with the ownership group? And what have you
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 23: done since you've gotten here to Foxborough?
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean we flew in this morning, had some
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 13: breakfast things like that. It's just been really everybody meeting
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 13: my family. You know, we're out of the you know,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 13: it's that interview process now it's you know, it's over.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 13: So now it's all about, you know, the next step
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 13: and that's us getting ready to go play this coming
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 13: up season and you know, just being up here, you know,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 13: still building a relationship with all the coaches and things
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 13: like that, meeting some of the guys. Uh So, yeah,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 13: that's really what Canday has consisted of.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 24: Hey, well, congratulations, welcome to New England.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 23: I'm curious what does it make for you working with
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 23: Duke manny Weather.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: I know you guys have been doing some stuff together.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: And how do you feel like he's helped you advance
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: your game in the time that you have been together.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 13: Uh, yeah, for sure. Duke is the best I think
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 13: when it comes you know, offensive line training. You know,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 13: the guys that he trained speech for themselves.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 8: I think.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 13: You know this past season he trained eight Pro bowlers,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 13: So you know, that's something that I want to be
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 13: a part of, you know, and he's very you know,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 13: hands on. That's what I like.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 8: That's what I like about coach Rabel.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 13: Too, And so for me to be able to go
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 13: and work with him, I had the opportunity whenever I
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 13: was in college, and I knew that after the you know,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 13: those two days they're training with him, that that's where
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 13: I was going to be as long as I'm playing, you, sir,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 13: I will congratulations.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 23: I'm just curious as you walked in today, your first
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 23: thoughts of Jillette Stadium.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 8: That's awesome.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 13: You know, whenever I came here for my thirty visit
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 13: right after the NFL Combine, you know, I walked in
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 13: here and came in right over there.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 11: Uh.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 13: You know, whenever you come up here, you always see
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 13: it on TV and all the history, you know that
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 13: comes with this stadium. For me to be able to,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 13: you know, put that jersey on and run out of
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 13: that tunnel here coming up soon is going to be
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 13: pretty special.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: Well, welcome to New England.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 24: Just wondering Drake May posted last night on on X
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 24: he said love this guy already after some of your
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 24: comments last night, Just two questions. Have you had the
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 24: opportunity to speak with Drake May and just generally your
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 24: reaction to his comments.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 13: Last Yeah, I mean that's my quarterback, so I'm just
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 13: super excited to continue to build the relationship with him,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 13: get to know each other as People's something I'm looking
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 13: forward to. I'm a quarterback guy. I care about him
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 13: a lot off the field and on the field. And yeah,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 13: we were able to talk. He met my family, so
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 13: that was pretty cool. We just talked for a little bit.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 13: He had to do some stuff and things like that
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 13: and we had stuff to do. But you know, it
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 13: was short and sweet. But you know that relationship will
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 13: continue to grow, you know, as more as I'm up here.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Hi, Well we'll come to New England.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 21: I'm just wondering if you have a talk to Josh
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 21: McDaniels and how do you see yourself faking his offensive?
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 13: I was able to talk to, you know, coach McDaniels
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 13: whenever I was up here on my thirty visit, and
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 13: you know, he's been here for so long. I mean,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 13: it's just an honor to play for him. He's coached
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 13: a lot of good offenses, you know, in his years here,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 13: and I'm just super excited to get to work with him.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 13: I'm gonna do whatever you ask of me, and I'm
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 13: just really honored to be able to play for him.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: And now great moments in.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 6: History, you know, when we go to Ford Field to
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 6: play the Lions. Yeah, and they do that pregame show.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 24: There's that kid who was like in his early thirties
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 24: maybe at most at most, and.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: He's like, Hey, everybody, welcome to Ford Field. We're gonna
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: be talking about the dry Lions that.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking about the Ford travel Yeah, Like why.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: Do they do that?
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: Like why did that become a thing?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: It's always been that way.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: Hi, everybody's Beth Mullions in the Angele's Chargers.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: But it lets me go to bed of the Bride.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 7: And it's more that it looks a little cold today.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: That was like a mix voice and Harry carry right,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: I would pay you.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 19: One hundred dollars to do the rest of the show
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 19: just like that.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: I love that's pretty that's what she said. That's another
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: great moment from all right back here on Patriots on
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  Speaker 2: Phil to Klevan Chasing joining us.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think that's it.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 6: I think no, I think he got it.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: I think I don't know what what he what should
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: have said?
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: That's what he said, he did.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: He's a cale, he said.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: It's Caleb.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: We could go back WorldWind the tape of what it's like.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 6: We have the tapers.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: Chason came in.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: Thank you to Chase on for coming in. But No,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: that was good to see him. First time I've talked
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: to him.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 6: First time, we'd Yeah, first time any of us have talked.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know I would thought you were going
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: to be more excited.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: I was mad at him.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: He's an edge guy.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: No, I was excited now that any noises an edge guy.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: He's That's why I asked.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: Him about having a good year last year. You know,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: it seemed to come together a little bit.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, I give him a lot of credit for
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: kind of tip of the cap.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: Max Crosby on the other side of rushing. It does
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: make things a.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: Little bit easier when you're going across from that guy.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: But but now it's pressed with him, and yeah, I
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: mean they need him this year. Hopefully he can build
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: on what he did last year.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: Energy.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: I think it just is another example of sort of
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: changing things over and trying to create a different culture
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: than what they had.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: You can hear it.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: You can hear the enthusiasm and the energy in his voice.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: Now that doesn't mean anything, I know for you get
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: that scoffing. Look, if you can't play, he can't play, right.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: He's going to have to produce on the field, right.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: But I just I kind of like the vibe of
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: these guys that are coming in to talk to us,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: some of them we haven't ever met before.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: I like the vibe and see why he would want
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 5: to be here because there's tons of opportunity for him.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, if he wants to build on that year,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: if it all wants to click for him, and I
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: guess this year six, I guess you know he's gonna
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: have the opportunity.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 6: To signed a one year deal too, so he might
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 6: hit the market again next offseason if he has a
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 6: good year here and then he had one of his
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 6: very years last year. Then the Zach Patrick mahomes a
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 6: couple of times.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: It looks like your people are going to have a
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: tough time figuring out who the good Guy of the
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: Year award is. Oh yeah, sounds like we've got a
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: lot of good guys.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 6: Yes, we have a lot of a lot of good guys.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: That's true in some uh, you know, good guys that
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 6: have now departed so like they're out of the running
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: for the good Guy Award. They're still good guys, they're
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: just not lost three really guys.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: The media does an annual good Guy award, the guy who.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 6: Maybe this year will get you know, ahead of time.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 6: I will find out five minutes before.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: It's all right, what are you gonna do?
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: Spiing Fresno says Paul is now responsible for elaborating on
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: what a tough gold looks like? Is it mustard yellow?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: Has the gold worn down with time and use? Maybe
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: light is refracted differently now that Paul's clothing rests more
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: vertically than horizontally. As Linda Richmond would say, talk amongst you,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: that's yellow. He snapped, Oh no, he corrected me quickly,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, true, L s U.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 8: Gold.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: It is funny, like those.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: Are the types of make up play Terry Clinton, what
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: are we doing a play on ball?
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Nobody knows what you're talking about.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: Just threw a showing Aaron Glenn highways on on NFL network.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 6: You know, Aaron Glenn was the coach of the Jets,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 6: and I didn't know that.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was true or not, but
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: Hates everybody and everything in the league, especially the seventy Steelers.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: Oh no, everybody and everything.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: Way to get me started on the seventy Steiers. I
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 6: heard the ball boy got into the Pro Football Hall
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 6: of Fame on the seventies Steelers.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 6: You know us we're we're trying to you know, the
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 6: Patriots dynasty. It's like trying to pull teeth. But you know,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: I heard the third string long snapper and the seventy
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 6: Steelers in the Pro Football Fame and the.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: Water blay on the Steelers had like a six gallon jug.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: He was just walking down with one armhold.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: He's got a bust and can You're right there was
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: too much uh, too many Steelers got in at that time.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know why.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: Would you care to elaborate, No, I just think there
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: was which one, A lot of all of them, A
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: lot of them. That's what I was getting at all
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: of them.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: Not even.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: A great player I.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: Would shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 6: Lin Swans.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: I think Stalwart has a better case than Swan.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: Well, then they both shouldn't be.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: I think Star Wars should be like.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: The classic one of the tastic guys that should like
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: the people say it should.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 6: And it's also different, like a Julian Edelman.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: It's like a very different wow, wow, wow, very different
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: era of football. They didn't throw it as much. Their
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: numbers would be dwarfed by guys that will even won't
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: ever sniff the Hall of Fame. Now those two, but
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: I mean Jack Lambert, I didn't say anything about Terry Bradshaw,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: Like those guys aren't Hall of Famer.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: Reno from Knoxville, Tennessee. I haven't been this static about
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: the draft class since Chandler Jones High Tower. I'm really
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: happy we got Campbell. I can't decide if I like
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: Henderson or Williams. Pick more. If we can hit on
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: three or four of these picks, that means we're headed
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: in the right direction, and I'll be so full of
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: joy and hope. Also, you all were great over the weekend.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: I didn't listen live because I love watching it on TV,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: but I listened the next day and so I could
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: listen to your reactions. Keep up the great work. Well,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: thank you.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: I don't care with the I don't care when you listen,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: just so you get three or four guys that turn
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: out to be frontline players.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: That's how you that's how you rebuilt quickly.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: I feel like the guy that doesn't get mentioned because
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 6: of the position that might have the cleanest path besides
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 6: Will Campbell is Jared Wilson. Like Jared Wilson, for most
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 6: people believe that Jared Wilson is going to be a
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 6: really good starting center in the NFL. Now it's a
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 6: center versus hitting on a wide receiver. I understand that.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 6: But if there's a guy other than Will Campbell who
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 6: I feel like is going to be a starter in
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: this league for a decent amount of time, it's going
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 6: to be Jared Wilson. So don't don't sleep on him either.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 6: I feel like he's absolutely Yeah. They talk a lot
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 6: about the skill players, but not so much about center.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, what are some of the good h petitions
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: position competitions. Left guard feels wide open. Center maybe not
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: wide open, but Brad Berry is there as a placeholder.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: Roles aid receiver, Yeah, roles that receiver is a good
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: way to put it.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: A little bit of roles at running back, but not
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: so much.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: Tight ends pretty much set, you know, defensive front probably
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 5: pretty much set, just because you have a handful of
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 5: guys that are the guys.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: Slot corner maybe that's a that's a question.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 6: Corner corner.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: That extra safety, I don't know if if that's going
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: to be, you know, if they'll have like four corners
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: and two safeties or if they need you know, Jalen
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: Hawkins or Craig Woodson or whoever.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: Else another kicker competition this summer. I kind of enjoy those.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's just adds a little bit of flavor
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 5: to the very end.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: Ink wasted on that every year founds me. I mean,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: I I write it every day. I right the wrap
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: up of the field goal kicking results every day, and
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: so I do it too. I'm guilty.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: I wonder everybody else, I wonder how practice will look
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: compared to past years, because we sort of like last
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: year was pretty similar to you know the structure of it,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: but I.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: Last year was a noticeable difference in how long it
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: took them to start practicing. It seemed like they were
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: on the field for like somewhere between forty five minutes
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: and an hour and fifteen minutes with.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: Just dropped throughs and stretching and drills before they actually practiced.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: Seven on seven or eleven on eleven. Yeah, so I
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: wonder how Vrabel will do it this year.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I definitely look at the back of cornerback competition.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 6: You know, you have Alex Austin, Isaiah Bolden, Marcella's Dial, Uh,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 6: you know those guys, And I was kind of reconfiguring, uh,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 6: you know, the depth chart and the roster last night.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 6: I was looking at that and it's like, all right,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 6: you feel really good about Christian Gonzalez and Carlton Davis obviously,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 6: but the depth behind that, you know, someone's going to
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 6: have to kind of step up and be that third corner,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 6: you know, because you assume Marcus Jones will probably play
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 6: a lot in the slot. So you know who's is
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 6: it Austin, is it Bolden? Is it Dial? Is it
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 6: when we're not thinking about it's it's a little thin there.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: If I had even I mean, maybe he's in the
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: next Yeah, probably a little high for him.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: But Iowa Tim writes in there was not any pick
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: where it said what the crap are they doing? All
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: the way to the end, I got it. It made sense,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: getting what is needed today and tomorrow. Notice they are
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: cleaning house already. A bunch of guys gone. Yeah.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 5: Do you guys remember off the top of your head
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: any Belichick drafts that made no sense at the time,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: and then between a year to two later you were like, oh,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 5: now I get what he's going for, because I honestly don't.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: I don't either.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: I mean I can think of a lot of guys,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: you know, and everybody would make fun of us because
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: Fred was part of this too, Like we would sit
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: there and say, Duke Dawson, you know, Juwan Williams. I
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: can remember a lot of those kinds of picks that
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: raised our eyebrows and didn't pan out ras I Dowling,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: you know, like what like that seemed like three rounds early?
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: You know, I think a twenty two drift maybe.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: Like dron Harmon.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: Doron Harmon's a guy that I think that we all
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: were like that seems a little early for him, and
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: he turned out to have, you know, a pretty solid career.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he'd be an example of that.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, seems more and more of that as he got
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: into the twenty tens. I mean Fred mentioned Rossie Dowling
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: twenty eleven.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: I think, yes, absolutely, And I say this all the time.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: There's a I think a revisionist history with the Devin
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: mccordy pick that you know, and I saw it actually
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: repeated recently as this pre draft period came up. Devin
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: mccordy was scheduled to be a late first early second
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: round pick. His profile talked about how he would be
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: effective on all four downs, and people glombed onto that
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: last part of me like they drafted a special team.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: No one really said that, but it was kind of
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: like a mocking punchline, and then all of a sudden,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: it was like building it again.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I like everybody did question the pick.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: They did, but not where he was taken, like people
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: questioned the Jordan Richard's pick because it was five rounds
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: before everybody else thought he was going to go. Devin
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: mccordy went when exactly where he was supposed.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: That might be true. I mean, it's the same with
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger. People were like, oh, but he was scheduled
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: to go where he went. But I do remember, guarantee
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: you they got an A on the draft. I do guarantee.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: I do remember at the time people questioning the mccordy pick.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: I remember, he's not really good at anything. He's not
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: good enough at anything to be a first round pick,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: is what I heard.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: I don't remember hearing.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 10: I do.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: I remember people questioning the pick because they wanted somebody
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: else that's different. But like Jordan Richards, Tavon, Wilson, Strange,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: Cole Strange, these are guys that were drafted and everybody said, like,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: what are we doing? Though everybody else has these guys
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: as day three guys, and we're taking him early day two.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: That I remember, I mean mccordy, I don't. I remember
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: people not necessarily loving the mccordy pick. Fred's right about that,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: but not like, what are we doing? We picked a
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: third three guy in the first round, like I don't
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: remember people doing.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: Vohmer was questioned he was a second round pick out
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: of Houston.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: Volmer was definitely questioned he didn't. He wasn't invited to
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: the combine. He had the back problems. Uh, they thought
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: he was a project. I remember he was asked specifically
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: in the post draft press Carmence. Bill was asked, if
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: you know, is this guy kind of a project for
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: round two? And Bill got his back up. No, it's
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: not a project.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: Maybe I'm wrong here, I'm just kind of flying off
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: the cuff, but it seems like when you look at Bill,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 5: some of his best performances weren't necessarily pulling performances out
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: of players he drafted, like we're talking about. It was
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 5: more pulling those performances out I would say, like free
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: agents and guys that were acquired that way, you know
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: what I mean, like like a sterling More type, you know.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: Like like just some of those years when he knew
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: they didn't have the horses.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: It was never that, Oh, now all of a sudden,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: Tevon Austin has stepped up and played well. It was
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: you know when they did out guys step up and
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: play well.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: I felt like, I don't know, I.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: Mean, I feel about every team has those though.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: They would they would find they would find some guys
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: on the scrap heap, and I think Bill would identify
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: a specific skill set that he had that would work
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: for him, you know, like Kyle Van Noy as an example.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: You know that that came over a key Mayers did it.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: You know, it wasn't a great player, but I think
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: Bill asked something very specific out of him that he
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: could do for sure, and he contributed. You know, you
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: know Mark Anderson the year that he came in and
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: had like ten sacks.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, is a good one that I remember Kyle
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 6: Van noy is saying, you know, Detroit was asking me
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 6: to do ABC. Bill grabbed me and asked me to
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: do X y Z, and I was better at X
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 6: y Z, and so it automatically just.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: I think he's good at that. I think that was Bill,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: And I think Bill was one of those guys that
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: could sort of better extrapolate from guys that were in
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: the NFL. Yeah, those skills transit.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: There's a few like Steven Neil for example, he did
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: a good job at like identifying the skills required.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: I give that Dante okay, but only because he identified
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 4: a skill set and put him on the defensive line.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, it was Dante
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: that said, you know, let me work with them, Okay,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: And then and then of course Edelman in the seventh
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: round picking a quarterback from Kent and knowing he's not
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: gonna be a quarterback, but he.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: Can pay what you're gonna do. He can play football,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: you know, and you don't tell anybody what position you're playing.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: We don't know.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, if you're excited about if you're excited about
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: the Patriots draft, and you'd think ever thought about working
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  Speaker 2: I think they have times where you can come down
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: to the stadium and get that process going.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: How old do you have to be, Fred, you know,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: I think eighteen.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't even getting kids down here. I think
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 6: Bart was younger. I think he might be sixteen.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: Was he the bartender at that time?
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 6: No, because he's too young to sell alcohol. They had
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 6: him selling like cracker jack, so really yeah, yeah, he
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 6: used to do that at the stadium.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: You mean like at a concession booth.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 21: No, he was.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 6: Hawker. Yeah, yeah, you know, he grew up in Sharon,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 6: so he grew up right down there.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: So like, would he get into arguments with people like
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: you know that? I don't know, but you don't really
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: don't want to combine pepsi with that, you want to
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: get a pepsi with this.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 6: I'm sure he, you know, cheated on a bunch of
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 6: occasions and actually was watching the game instead of selling.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: I thought, you're going to start eating the food he
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: was trying to.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 6: I mean maybe that too.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, did you do Patriots Schames?
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 6: He were Patriots Schames or yeah? No, I think I
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 6: think a little bit of both. Yeah. Wow, he's told
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 6: the story before. On When I read that ad the
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 6: first time, I was like, this is you Yeah.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: So his career is going downhill?
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: Iggy Iggy from Spain Madrid writes in best draft coverage ever,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Good Chemistry and the Crew. The reference that Paul made
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: to Rivers and tides maybe laugh epic discussion onto the draft.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: I like it because it is logical. Needed a left tackle,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: drafted one, needed help it, half back, wide receiver, drafted
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: two players. Of course, you never know. If the guys
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: can't play, this would be a horrible draft. But doing
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: logical things normally bring better results than doing illogical ones
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: like drafting cold strange in the first round. I also
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: noticed a lot of people in the war room. Was
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: it more crowded in the Belichick male era or is
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: this a wrong impression? I think it was more crowd
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: think it was a little bit more now now, yeah,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: from what I heard, I never sort of looked to me,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: I never go down. But from the people who were
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: there every year, they said they probably were more people there.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: So Iggy's comment, I would have to say, is that's
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: a paraphrasing of the comment that I've received the most.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: I would say in the two or three days, people
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: that are asking me, you know, friends on the street, whatever,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: people on Twitter, you know, what do you think logical?
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: I've heard that word a lot.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: The picks made sense to people, and Iggy's right, you know,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: it made sense to draft a guard when you didn't
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: have a guard you needed to plug one in, but
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: it wasn't the.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: Right guy well, and it wasn't the right place, right. Yeah, so.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: It can all make sense and not work. But I
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: think that that's probably the comment that I've heard the
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: most was I get it. These picks all made sense
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: to me. They didn't reach, they stuck to the board.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: They took positions of need that were deep positions of talent,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: and I think people are excited about that.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's to me too, it's more than just
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: the positions.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 5: It's the type and that, like I've been saying the
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 5: whole time, like I want to fast wide receiver, Like
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: we talked a lot about types of wide receivers, and
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 5: not only did they add the explosive wide receiver, but
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: they add an explosive.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: Running back too.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 5: So it's the traits to me too, that are really
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 5: checking the boxes that I feel like they needed to check.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: You know, Elliott Wolf talked about or being more organized,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 6: and some people took that certain ways, and like, I
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 6: just feel like it's a nice mix of personalities that
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 6: they have right now, of like guys like Rabel and
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 6: guys like Stretch, who's more of like administrative football and
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 6: Ryan Cowden with his experience, it just it seemed like
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 6: it helped Elliott Wolf kind of settle things down in
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 6: terms of, you know, delegating and you know, really being
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 6: able to trust people to help him, be able to
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 6: kind of see from the thirty thousand foot view, because
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 6: I think he's always been, at his heart a scout
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 6: and I think Elliot Wolf does have an eye for talent,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 6: but maybe needed some help with like sort of you know,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 6: organizing the process. And I think that that's where a
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 6: lot of these guys that they've added to the to
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 6: the room now, you know, it seemed like it was
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 6: really the those guys in the Loonzo Highsmith that we're
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 6: doing the real heavy lifting for the draft, and it
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 6: seemed just so much more fluid and organized with that group.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: I think very what I heard.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Abele just seems to have a vision of what
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 5: he wants, and I think that makes it just easier
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: on everybody because you know what you're looking for, you
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 5: have your marching orders, you know which guys should be
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: in and what should be out. And I think it
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: seems like he's communicating that clearly to the staff and
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 5: that's what you get it makes sense.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: Yep, Sean and Vancouver on the hotline. What's up Sean.
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  Speaker 16: Hey, I'm just gonna take you up baker phone. Trying
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 16: to get a couple of things. So when people are
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 16: talking about this draft, uh in glowing terms. You know,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 16: you're getting these amazing ratings from from the media. Uh,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 16: not to say that this is going to be what happens.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 15: We don't know.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 16: We have to wait and see how to play. So
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 16: but this is what I wanted to see, something that
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 16: aligns more with the consensus, big bore. And that's why
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 16: they're getting the grapes they're getting because the players that
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 16: they selected were ones that are falling to them, the
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 16: ones that they expect, not the head scratchers that been
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 16: made in the past. So it's more like drafts that
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 16: the Eagles and Ravens have been doing, going along that
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 16: kind of approach. Now, the other thing I want to
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 16: say is like when I called in on Thursday and
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 16: I mentioned the fullback, what I meant wasn't that we're
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 16: going to go back to Dublin and running the fullback
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 16: on most of our basic plays. I meant more like,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 16: you know, six to ten plays a game, more like
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 16: a Tory Carter because one area the Patriots really needed
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 16: help in last year was in short yardage and maybe
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 16: this could also help Drake, may do some more play
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 16: action or just quarterbacks seeking and stuff like that, even
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 16: when you have the fullback in there. So that's what
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 16: I was trying to get at, that they were going
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 16: to take up undrafted free a.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 8: And they still.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 16: I know, Devan, you were kind of time and cheek,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 16: but yeah, I think that that might be important to
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 16: player just for a two plays.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: All right, thanks Sean.
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  Speaker 6: I'm an advocate for the fullback. I love fullbacks. I
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 6: think they bring a lot of schematic advantages to not
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 6: just a run game, but also a play action pass
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 6: offense as well. And nowadays you see different formations where
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 6: the quarterback is in the gun or in the pistol
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 6: and they still have an offset lead blocker in the
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 6: full back and you call it a sidecar formation, and
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 6: like you can do that now or you're not under center.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 6: But the ability to have the full back go in
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 6: either direction and add blocks onto either side of the
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 6: formation with that unpredictability, and then to sequence that together
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 6: with the same look. But it's play action, you know,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 6: those things can be really difficult to decipher for defenses,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 6: so I wouldn't.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's worth having a full back for
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: five or six plays a game.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 6: I think a full back, you know, certainly for a
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 6: short yardage like that could be worth. But the teams
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 6: that that implement a full back and use it to
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 6: maximize our teams that like base with a full back
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 6: on the field, right, you know, like the forty nine
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 6: ers or the Miami Dolphins or teams like that that
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 6: really use the full back, like I was saying as
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 6: as sort of you know, a schematic ring Mike Alstott. Oh, yes,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 6: well Mike all Star was also running.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I understand that Paul is saying in terms of, like,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 6: you know, those guys don't bring a lot, you know,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 6: to the passing game.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 4: In terms of just thinking those guys are special, like
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 4: Kyle Yushchik is a special player. Yeah, Like, and that
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: allows you to open up a lot of things for
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: your offense. I would never argue with you on in
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: terms of the creativity that that allows you. But I
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: think those guys are special.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: I don't think that James Devlin was capable of opening
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: that up for you. James Devlin was a plow horse
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: who helped you in the running game. Absolutely twenty eighteen.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: That was a big part of their power. And not
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: to get I'll have it on you, you know, like,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: but that was a big part of the running game.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: And that's fine, you can do that. I don't want
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: to play that way, but that's me. I'm stubborn, but
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: you know, totally admit that I'm stubborn.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 6: They averaged over eleven yards per play action pass attempt
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 6: with Devilon on the field in eighteen because they they're
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 6: showing the same formation and the same look to the defense.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 6: So when he leads up through the hole, the linebacker
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 6: is going to come down to try to meet him
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 6: in the hole. And then it's Brady still got the
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 6: ball and he's throwing it right by his ear right.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 6: And those types of things are Josh McDaniels. You know,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 6: Josh McDaniels loves himself some iso like just run the
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 6: full back right through the middle of the line of scrimmage.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 6: The bat goes right behind him. Like that's a staple,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 6: day one install type of play for McDaniels.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: When it works, it works.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: Who's this guy on NFL Network comparing travon On Henderson
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 5: to Marshall Fock.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 6: I don't know, like this is the type of draft
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 6: analysis that just drives me crazy, Like this is how
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 6: you set up people to fail, you know, and you're
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 6: you're saying, like Ashton Gent is going to be the
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 6: next Ladanian Tomlinson, like.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: They said Jones Drew, Yeah, that was that was his
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 4: that was his compln Dons Philly Hey Don, Hey.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 25: Guys, I just want to say love to the draft
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 25: and obviously hindsight is twenty twenty, but just wanted to
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 25: bring up two hypotheticals and you know they are mutually
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 25: exclusives to take it for what it is, but so
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 25: we took Campbell and Henderson. If you look back, would
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 25: you have preferred having gens a nursery you wouldn't have
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 25: had the trade up. And then, like I said, it's
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 25: mutually exclusive. If you go from second to third round pick,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 25: would you rather have Luther Burden and Dylan Samson or
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 25: keep Henderson and Kyle Williams Nanks guys.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I've heard that before, like the second ones
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 4: are gonna be yeah, worth keeping an eye on.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: But the whole thing you know genty and nursery, I
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: get it. But if the Patriots had taken genty at four,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: other things would have happened, you know, the butterfly effect.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: Ursery may not have been available, like you don't know,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: like if they had taken they would.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: Have been more likely to be available because it would
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: be an extra tackle.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, I don't know, like things happen like.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: So it adds a tackle to the available I understand
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 4: it's kind of illogical that a tackle was available even
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 4: when Will Campbell did get taken.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't be available if he hadn't.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but butterfly effect thing like things.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: The second part of that I think is going to
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: be worth keeping track of. It's going to be this
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: year's version of Tayekwon Thornton instead of George Pickens and
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: Ale Pierce in Scott. You know you're going to have all, yeah,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: paulkan McConkey, all my references that's, you know, instead of
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: the one that's right in front of me from last year.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: The second part of that, when he's talking about Dylan Samson,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: you know how much difference is that, you know, could
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: could you have done better? Why would you rather have
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: the better wide receiver in the lesser running back, or
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: the better running back and the lesser wide receiver. Like
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: that's basically what you're coming down to.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 15: Now.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: Ideally you hit on both, and Kyle Williams is going
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: to be a better wide receiver than Luther Burden, who
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: has character issues, and that's the reason why he would
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: have been available to you at thirty eight or whatever
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: it was that we picked thirty six thirty thirty eight,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: So you had an opportunity to pick him. If he's
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: better than Kyle Williams, that's a that's a legitimate second guess.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, yeah, yes and no, because I don't
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 6: think they were ever going to take Luther Burdens.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean they're right, like you put it,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: but they got on you do not draft list. That
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean that you were right to do that. If
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: the guy has a ten year career, never has any problem.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 6: Sure, sure, I just I look at the process and like,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 6: like Urser, I think is the same, is similar, but
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 6: not quite as egregious as Luther Burden. Maybe, But I
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 6: think there were a real uh you know, kind of
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 6: hearing some of the stories of about Ersery It kind
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 6: of reminded me of Trent Brown, right like.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 4: Just like so effort and I would also say, and
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna lazy out of the street. Yeah, I didn't
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: really hear a lot of people telling me that Ersery
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 4: was on a level with Will Campbell, right Like, I'd
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: heard a lot of people telling me that Luther Burton
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: is arguably the best wide receiver in the class. So
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 4: I think, even at full strength, high motor, Ursery, I
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 4: don't think is as good as Will Campbell. You add
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: in all the stuff that Evan just talked about, that
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 4: makes it a no brainer.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: In other words, if I'm sitting here telling you that
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: Ersery should they should have waited for Ursery, like, that's
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty hindsight. That's not what anybody. Anybody thought. Now,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of people that thought Kyle Wims good
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: wide receiver. There are others that are better. So if
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: they end up being right, then you might have missed. Now,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 4: this is the flip side of that is trevi On
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 4: Henderson as the as the caller said, is he that
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: much better than the guys that go after him? Because
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: there was a run on running backs shortly after the
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: Patriots took him. I think Henderson's really really good player,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: but that doesn't mean we're right. And what if some
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 4: of these guys that that they could have had in
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: the third round or the fourth round or better.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just wish that there was an there never
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 6: will be. So this is just a me thing.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: But it's just one of those.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 6: But like, but like the context has always missed when
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 6: we when we go through these in hindsight of like
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 6: the Patriots were never going to draft George Pickens, Like
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 6: I don't George Pickens was a much better prospect than
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 6: the guys that were going around him.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: He went where he.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 6: Went because of the of his character, I agree, and
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 6: because of the red flags, so he he was not
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 6: on their board, like they were never going to draft him.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 6: I feel that. I don't know for a fact, But
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 6: I feel the same way about Luther Burden. Like I
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 6: don't think that they passed on Luther Burden because they
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 6: thought Treyvon Henderson was a better player. I think they
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 6: passed on Luther Burden because he wasn't a programmed guy
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 6: and it wasn't get through.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: You're evaluating the draft five years from now, right, You're like, well,
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: were they wrong and having Luther Burden on their.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 4: Board, And that's my point, like they've taken guys that
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 4: other teams have had off their boys right right, that
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: haven't worked out. And I don't think I need to
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: say names specifically. I think you guys can fit figure
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 4: it out here.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: Sure, So one that's part of the everybody, Yeah there's
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: a couple, but I don't say that name.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: There's like that's part of the dram with Fred. I
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: think that's part of your draft evaluation, right, did you
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: get the character right too?
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: I mean you got the talent right, But will you
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 4: right to say I'm not going to take him at
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: thirty eight?
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: He's off my board, right.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 6: I just am preparing Luther Burden unless he goes. Luther
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 6: Burden's gonna have a good NFL career, Like he's going
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 6: to be a good player. He is a good player,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 6: and they're going to be just like George Pickens, there's
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 6: going to be bumps along the road where it flares up,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 6: so I would know and will put that into context,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 6: like it's just going to be they missed on George
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 6: Pickens again, and in this time it was Luther Burden.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: You're right, that is what But I will not do that,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: and I will actually give deuces flowers who was really
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: on the George Pickens bandwagon when it when it happened
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: about this guy's this guy's tough. You read a lot
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: about this guy. I don't know if that's that's the
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: guy you want to bring in. I would say, based
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: on what's happened so far, if the Patriots in fact
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: did not have Pickens on their board, I would say
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: they were right because these are the kinds of things
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: that they were worried about, and they have happened. Even
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: though he's productive, No one doubted his talent. He's been productive,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: but he's a handful. And I agree with Evan there's
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: context to this. If Luther Burden is like Pickens, I
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: would say, no, like he's been Okay, he's produced, but
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: he's a lot.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: And you know you mentioned the word context. Even five
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: years from now, you have to remember what the context
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: is back then and right now we're building a culture.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe they didn't think they could absorb somebody like a
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: Luther Burden. Where five years from now, assuming everything goes
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: right and they've got that culture, then okay, now we
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: can bring in a player like that, so it context
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: has everything to do with it.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: I agree with your point, though there's nuance to all
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: and it's too often it's black and white.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: That guy's a good player, like last year.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 6: You know, I personally feel like medical is a little
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 6: bit different. But Lad McConkie did have injuries in college
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 6: that people were worried about. We're gonna carry over to
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 6: the pros. There's no doubt about it that Lad McConkie
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 6: looks like a much better football player than Jalen Polk.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: But well, let's see in like after four years, maybe
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: the medical concerns end up.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 6: But in that one, I steer more towards like they
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 6: missed the evaluation me too, But like when it didn't
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 6: when it comes to character stuff. But like this is
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 6: just all the little things that you know, they have
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 6: to take into consideration that when I'm doing a mock draft,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 6: if Lad McConkie pulls a hamstring like it doesn't you
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 6: know what difference does it make?
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: But I just evaluate the guy.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 6: Right, I just watched the tape, right, you know.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: Right, Tony's in Pennsylvania.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 26: Hey, Tony, Hey was going on guys, I got two
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 26: questions and just some stats to read off to you guys.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 26: Do you guys agree that this will be a make
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 26: or break year or training camp if he makes it
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 26: out of training camp for the Mario Douglas And also,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 26: despite Drake having a terrible line, the Mario Douglas was
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 26: still on the field. He ranked eighty first and touchdowns
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 26: with three sixty first and yards with six hundred and
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 26: couples and also thirty ninth and receptions with sixty six.
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  Speaker 26: And these guys agree that Kendrick most likely is out
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  Speaker 26: of the lineup.
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  Speaker 2: I I kind of agree with Bourn what makes makes
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  Speaker 2: sense with with pop, I would say that last year
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  Speaker 2: it was hard to evaluate because the room wasn't that
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  Speaker 2: good and he seemed yeah, he seemed like one of
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  Speaker 2: the best of that room. But now you know, now
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: you have Digs in here and Kyle Williams, Now it
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: might be a better comparison and tougher form. But so like,
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  Speaker 2: if he is the fourth receiver on this team, that'll
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: be fine.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he was a sixth round pick. I don't know
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  Speaker 6: what you were expecting him to be any better than that.
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  Speaker 6: Like the numbers are that of like a third or
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 6: fourth receiver, which is all he really could have expected
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  Speaker 6: him to be. So I think right now he's way
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  Speaker 6: over performed his draft slot. Like he was drafted in
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  Speaker 6: the sixth round, but he's an NFL player.
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  Speaker 2: We're comparing him like the room last year wasn't that good.
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  Speaker 4: But I think he I'm I'm not the biggest Jamario
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  Speaker 4: Douglas guy. You guys know that, you know, But I'm
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  Speaker 4: not talking about the person. I'm talking about the player.
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  Speaker 4: He's what Evan just said, He's a fourth receiver, third
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  Speaker 4: or fourth guy at best.
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  Speaker 6: He's a slot guy on But he's a sixth round.
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  Speaker 3: Pick who played two years. Why are we ranking him
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  Speaker 3: among the entire NFL?
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  Speaker 4: How many sixth round picks from his draft class were
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  Speaker 4: better than that? Like, let's compare him to what he
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: should be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, well it's it's it doesn't matter what you know,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: what you do when you get here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think he's done well. He's in the NFL,
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  Speaker 4: But I don't think there's a lot of guys that
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 4: are in the NFL that get drafted.
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  Speaker 2: Where he is. No, But my point is, at some
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  Speaker 2: point you got to forget about where he got drafted.
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  Speaker 21: No.
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  Speaker 3: Fred I'm not talking about he's a star. He's not
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: a star.
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying he's a complimentary piece. That's what you hoped
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 4: that he'd be. That's exactly what he's He hasn't like outperformed, underperformed,
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 4: like you hope that you have some depth pieces when
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 4: you pick in day three.
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  Speaker 3: That's what he is.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's why I said, if he ends up being
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: the fourth receiver of the team, that's great for that's
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: what that's really good.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: I just feel like if you're expecting him to be
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 4: more than that, I don't know what you thought you
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: were getting.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, make or break, I like, I don't. I'd like
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 6: I think that he is who he is, Like he's
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 6: a complimentary piece, like he's a he's a slide, like
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 6: a third receiver.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: For respecting him to catch one hundred and twenty balls,
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 4: well I mean I know, But I mean I just
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: would hope that having better receivers around him will just
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 4: make life a little bit easier for him, maybe take
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: some of the heat off of him to have to
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 4: be the constant guy getting open.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: But he's not gonna rise up the rank like the
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: caller was ranking him. That's numbers aren't gonna increase because
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: he has better receivers around him. I think he might
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: be more effective in the role that he is if
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: it's a fourth receiver, but these other receivers are gonna
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: have better or not.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 6: I mean, just looking at it, like his receiving yards
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 6: and receptions against his draft class, like they're guys that
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 6: are that were drafted. I mean, besides Puko's just turns
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 6: out to be a freak. But like all these other
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 6: guys that are in the same territory of him were
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 6: top one hundred picks and he was drafted at two
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 6: hundred and ten and they got a player. You know,
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 6: Quinton Johnson was drafted twenty first overall, and Pop has
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 6: better production than Quinton Johnson does.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: He did, but again, would you have that production if
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: the room was better?
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 6: So you think he's like a good stats, bad team
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 6: kind of guy.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: It was default don't.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: But I don't even I just don't know what you're expecting.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 4: Do you watch him play? Forget about the production, the
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 4: numbers whatever. People think that this is the next Edelman
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 4: and Welker, That's not what he is. Like, watch him play.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 4: He doesn't have that kind of ability like, I think
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 4: he's been perfectly fine, but I think that people are
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 4: expecting him to be the next in line. Yeah, this
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 4: like unbelievably productive.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 6: He's a really good man coverage, you know separator. His
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 6: feel for his own coverage needs work, and like if
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 6: he can develop.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: His catch radius is so tiny.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, if he can develop, like you know, knowing when
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 6: to settle down and know, you know, finding those like
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 6: that's what Edelman and Welcome we're so good at. We're
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 6: like finding those little soft spots. If he can take
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 6: that next step, then maybe there is more production for him.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 6: But right now, he's really just like you know, if
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 6: they play man to man, then he's a guy that
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 6: can get open against man coverage. That that's what he
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 6: does best.
• 1:59:43
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