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Normally Podcast: Virginia Redistricting Chaos, Gerrymandering Fight & SPLC Scandal Explodes · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we're back normally normal takes for women. It's
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  Speaker 1: weird and I'm Carol Marcowaz.
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  Speaker 2: How's it going over there, mary Country?
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  Speaker 1: I'm good. Here, I am in the brand new state
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  Speaker 1: of Maryland.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wait, it's just Virginia, but we're trying to become
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  Speaker 3: Maryland in California over here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it went the way you said it was
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  Speaker 2: gonna go, which just shows how you have your finger
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  Speaker 2: on the pulse.
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  Speaker 3: I guess I'm also just like a little a little
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  Speaker 3: black pilled. I assumed that the Virginia referendum to change
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  Speaker 3: the very fair five to six congressional delegation map of
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  Speaker 3: the state of Virginia, which is a purple state leaning blue,
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  Speaker 3: to a ten to one Democrat dominated map, would pass
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  Speaker 3: by an annoyingly small margin that I would then look
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  Speaker 3: back and say, Wow, if there had been some concerted
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  Speaker 3: and organized effort to persuade people that this is a
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  Speaker 3: bad idea, we might have won.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, that is what appears has happened.
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  Speaker 3: It was about a three point loss right now, it's
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  Speaker 3: about seventy to ninety thousand votes. It is not a
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  Speaker 3: good result. It will face legal challenge, as most redistrictings do,
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  Speaker 3: particularly partisan gerrymanders of this kind. It will face legal
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  Speaker 3: challenges at the Virginia Supreme Court that include, you know
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  Speaker 3: that it violated several statutes getting onto the ballot because
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  Speaker 3: they misused a special session of the legislation to do it,
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  Speaker 3: of the legislature to do it. They then didn't serve
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  Speaker 3: the measure to the public ninety days before the voting,
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  Speaker 3: which they are supposed to do according to statutes. Several
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  Speaker 3: things over they violated just fairly sloppy ball in order
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  Speaker 3: to get this done. And then also statutes require them
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  Speaker 3: to have like contiguous and compact national districts, which is
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  Speaker 3: something that could be argued these are not as And
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  Speaker 3: I my biggest issue with it, just from a like
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  Speaker 3: principal stance is and the for people for free people
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  Speaker 3: in a state is that the richest county in the
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  Speaker 3: United States. Maybe Louden might outdo it, but Fairfax County
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  Speaker 3: is perhaps the richest county in the United States, and
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  Speaker 3: it is split into five slices that then go down
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  Speaker 3: into the rest of the state and pull some rural
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  Speaker 3: and red folks into it, but it's dominated by these
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  Speaker 3: highly populous, very rich blue areas so that five US
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  Speaker 3: Congress people, all Democrats, can sit within like a handful
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  Speaker 3: of zip codes and never leave basically, and that will
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  Speaker 3: be the representation of half of the delegation to DC.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that's good.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not. And I saw people who ostensibly are
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  Speaker 2: on the right saying that they voted yes to basically
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  Speaker 2: punish Republicans, And it's like, do you not know that
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  Speaker 2: everybody you hate it's a momentary thing. Donald Trump is
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  Speaker 2: not going to be here forever. You just hurt your
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  Speaker 2: own state because you just don't like Donald Trump so much. Ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also.
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  Speaker 3: The part that I don't I really don't like, is
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  Speaker 3: the is the gaslighting about.
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  Speaker 1: I'm voting for democracy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm voting because I hate jerrymandering and changing rules to
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  Speaker 3: change rules and jerrymander. Right, that doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 3: I wish you would just be Louise Lucas, who is
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  Speaker 3: our absolutely insane democratic leader in the Virginia Legislature, and
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  Speaker 3: just say like, no, I'm going to drink your tears.
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  Speaker 1: This is what this is for, right, right.
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  Speaker 2: I just prefer yeah, version be honest. Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: that is what I would appreciate about it this whole
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  Speaker 2: We did it for democracy, Like, come on, democracy.
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  Speaker 3: I am somewhat ambivalent on jerrymandering, like I don't love it,
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  Speaker 3: but we understand that it is part of the game.
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  Speaker 3: Virginia Democrats said, we have to retaliate because Texas, well, Texas,
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  Speaker 3: whatever Texas gained, which by the way, Republicans were robbed
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  Speaker 3: of by the census in twenty twenty, which is validated
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  Speaker 3: by the US Census. And I don't know why we
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  Speaker 3: have to sit around on our hands and wait for
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  Speaker 3: twenty thirty to.
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  Speaker 1: Get it fixed, right whatever.
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  Speaker 3: They're mad at Texas that was evened out and more
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  Speaker 3: possibly by California, and they're like.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, we have to keep going.
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  Speaker 2: Right Well, now, I think if the Republicans could grow
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  Speaker 2: a pair, we have to keep going. We have to
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  Speaker 2: do it in places like Florida and elsewhere. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I just think, like there's a lot, there's been a
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  Speaker 2: lot of studies as to who has room to grow,
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  Speaker 2: and it's Republicans. And you don't like jerrymandering, you better
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  Speaker 2: start liking it, because this is what it's going to be.
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  Speaker 2: And now that's it. It is game over there cannot
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  Speaker 2: be any more like, oh no, we principled, we don't
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  Speaker 2: want to do this, we have to do this.
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  Speaker 3: And in Indiana, Republicans did a deal to de escalate,
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  Speaker 3: and what.
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  Speaker 1: Happened Virginia just re escalated.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I want to can't do that.
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  Speaker 3: I want to note this tweet from Mark Caputo as
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  Speaker 3: a reporter I think lives in Florida or is closely followed. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and he notes this, Florida has a surprisingly clear constitutional
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  Speaker 3: amendment passed in twenty ten by sixty two point nine
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  Speaker 3: percent of voters that prohibits redistricting with the intent to
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  Speaker 3: favor or disfavor incumbents or political parties. It's hard to
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  Speaker 3: get around that absent novel rulings from Scotis or Florida supremes. Mark,
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  Speaker 3: wait till I tell you what happened in Virginia. In
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  Speaker 3: Virginia in twenty twenty and I among them, sixty plus
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  Speaker 3: percent of Virginians voted to have a bipartisan commission do
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  Speaker 3: the districts. And Sean Trindy, by the way, who I
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  Speaker 3: always forget, I know the guy personally who made those
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  Speaker 3: fair maps. Yeah, comes up with this along with the
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  Speaker 3: bipartisan Redistricting Commission in the Supreme Court, they get them in.
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  Speaker 3: We had our say on this. The Virginian Democrats are like, oh, we.
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  Speaker 1: Put this to the voters.
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  Speaker 3: It was already put to the voters, right, And my
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  Speaker 3: issue is now Liberals are like, well, you could just
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  Speaker 3: have a national ban on jerrymandering and then everything would
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  Speaker 3: be fixed.
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  Speaker 1: And you guys are just mad because you lost.
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  Speaker 3: I have to trust you, yeah, to actually maintain the
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  Speaker 3: gerrymander ban when it's not convenient for you. And in
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  Speaker 3: New York State and Virginia and California, all the places
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  Speaker 3: where Democrats have come into power after a jerrymandering ban,
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  Speaker 3: guess what happens. They engineer the redistricting Commission to make
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  Speaker 3: it theirs, or they just wipe it out completely. So no,
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  Speaker 3: I don't trust you, and I also don't think it
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  Speaker 3: would be constitutional necessarily to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that Florida Republicans will figure out a
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  Speaker 2: way around it. I think they're just as smart as
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  Speaker 2: the Virginia Democrats. So what happens?
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  Speaker 1: So a few interesting points.
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  Speaker 3: Most of the state veered right in the makeup of
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  Speaker 3: its vote from over twenty twenty five, which was a
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  Speaker 3: very bad.
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  Speaker 1: Election for Republicans.
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  Speaker 3: Over twenty twenty four, which was a pretty good election
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  Speaker 3: for Republicans in this state, a bunch of areas shifted right.
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  Speaker 3: Northern Virginia shifted left and pretty aggressively. And I do
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  Speaker 3: want to note that back when we were talking about
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  Speaker 3: the Winsome Sears for governor race in Virginia as a
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  Speaker 3: bellweather of sorts, when the combination of DOGE and it
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  Speaker 3: being problematic for federal workers and the shutdown happened. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if I actually said it. I think I
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  Speaker 3: said it various places. I'm not sure if I said
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  Speaker 3: it here. It was like I think that I think
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  Speaker 3: this race has done so because those two things in
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  Speaker 3: this highly populous reason region that affect those.
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  Speaker 1: People means they go hard, hard left.
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  Speaker 3: But there is some good news in the fact that
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  Speaker 3: this electorate looked like a twenty twenty one right leaning
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  Speaker 3: Yunkin electorate instead of a twenty twenty four Kamala by
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  Speaker 3: six electorate. I'm or Spaenberger by fifteen right, So you know,
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  Speaker 3: it ain't there ain't no moral victories in this, but
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  Speaker 3: there is something to build on.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just upsetting that the GOP couldn't find
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  Speaker 2: its footing here. And if they couldn't find it here,
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  Speaker 2: where are they going to find it over the next
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  Speaker 2: year or two. I mean, so Republican alliging groups spent
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  Speaker 2: twenty to thirty million, Democrat aligning groups spent seventy to
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  Speaker 2: eighty million. I mean that's different. And I just you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's quite being outspent two to one on something that
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  Speaker 2: matters as much losing four House seats is to me
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  Speaker 2: not acceptable.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and it's also who not just the amount of spending,
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  Speaker 3: it's the weight spent, because I will tell you as
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  Speaker 3: somebody who should have been targeted right and was targeted
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  Speaker 3: by Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, From the no side, I.
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  Speaker 3: Saw two YouTube ads I heard maybe I don't think
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  Speaker 3: I heard any radio ads, but my husband did.
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  Speaker 1: I heard no podcast ads. I saw no TV ads.
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  Speaker 1: That is not a coordinated effort to convince people right.
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  Speaker 3: And on the other side, I saw Yes ads starting
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  Speaker 3: at the Olympics and all the way through the Olympics.
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  Speaker 1: And I heard Barack Obama on Yes four times.
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  Speaker 3: A day, four times a day, on the radio, on podcasts,
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  Speaker 3: on TV, whatever it was, he was there. The one
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  Speaker 3: thing I did get was mailer's but I think you know,
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  Speaker 3: guy and I have been like talking on the phone
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  Speaker 3: writing ads like where are they because you get youngin
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  Speaker 3: and you get one Democrat who's opposed to this, and
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  Speaker 3: you put them together, and he was We were joking
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  Speaker 3: this morning, just so like Virginians came together in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty to decide that we wanted to bipartisan commission to
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  Speaker 3: take it out of the hands of power hungry politicians.
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  Speaker 3: Now they want to give it back to power hungry politicians.
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  Speaker 1: Say no to that effort.
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  Speaker 3: On April twenty first, done and done.
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  Speaker 1: Roll it all day long, every day.
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  Speaker 2: I'd hire you too, for sure. I don't know. I actually, so,
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  Speaker 2: where did Republicans even spend that amount of money?
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's I don't understand, Carol inefficient.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and it's also you know, it's not like when
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  Speaker 3: things happen that are consequential in say like Kansas, you
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  Speaker 3: be like, oh, well, it's bad that they missed that
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  Speaker 3: because they're too dedicated to coastal cities.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a problem.
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  Speaker 3: There's not even that bad excuse here, right, this is
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  Speaker 3: this is happening in your backyard. You all are here,
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  Speaker 3: and as you noticed, I talked about it a lot
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  Speaker 3: and have been following it right closely. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: just think a all you had to do was pull
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  Speaker 3: one point five one point seven points away, and I
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  Speaker 3: think you could have done it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Look, I learned about it almost entirely from you,
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  Speaker 2: so which is I love you. But that's a problem,
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  Speaker 2: that's really an issue that the only place I heard
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  Speaker 2: about it was on my own show.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know what it means.
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  Speaker 3: Next we'll we'll you'll have on the ground reporting from Florida.
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  Speaker 1: I would imagine there will be a more concerted effort
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  Speaker 1: there to.
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  Speaker 3: I should help you surparized yea, And yeah, it's not
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  Speaker 3: it's not great. When I think about, uh, exporting the
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  Speaker 3: wisdom and governance of the county in which I currently
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  Speaker 3: live to the rest of the Virginia, I say, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 3: rest of Virginia. That's not gonna be good. We don't
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  Speaker 3: do things great here. In fact, what used to be
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  Speaker 3: a national jewel in public schooling and public facilities and
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  Speaker 3: services and way of life and quality of life is
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  Speaker 3: now pretty ratchets.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not great. It's not great.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bummer man.
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  Speaker 3: On that point, let me just add two Northern Virginia stories,
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  Speaker 3: because why there are always a couple in Arlington which
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  Speaker 3: went super far left on this. In Arlington last week,
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  Speaker 3: a woman was assaulted attempted rape by an illegal alien
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  Speaker 3: with twenty five former charges, at one of them attempting
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  Speaker 3: to disarm a police officer.
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  Speaker 1: Why is he not in prison?
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  Speaker 3: He assaulted her twice because she got away from him
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  Speaker 3: once and he tried again, and she was only saved
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  Speaker 3: because some bystanders figured out what was happening and saved her.
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  Speaker 3: Feral government is currently basically begging them not to let
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  Speaker 3: this guy out onto the streets. His probation officer had,
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  Speaker 3: of course told prosecutors he's quite dangerous, and nonetheless here
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  Speaker 3: we are. I have no confidence that they will send
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  Speaker 3: him to Ice, that he will be deported, that he
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  Speaker 3: will even be punished. And then we have the grown
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  Speaker 3: man attending Fairfax County High schools who grouped between nine
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  Speaker 3: and thirteen young women in the hallways in school. I
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  Speaker 3: believe his charges were somewhat downgraded to assault and battery.
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  Speaker 3: He will now serve four months, and again there is
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  Speaker 3: no guarantee that he will be punished beyond that or
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  Speaker 3: sent out of the country. He will probably go back
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  Speaker 3: into Fairfax's public schools as an adult who has assaulted.
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  Speaker 1: Sexually assaulted miners inside the school setting, and those schools
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  Speaker 1: probably won't even tell parents that he arrived there when
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  Speaker 1: he arrives back in those schools.
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  Speaker 2: This sounds less than ideal.
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  Speaker 1: It's not great.
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  Speaker 3: And further in the reporting on the sentencing, some of
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  Speaker 3: the victims this is how wacky this place is. The
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  Speaker 3: victims of this man are saying, I want to stipulate
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  Speaker 3: that I'm not racist and xenophobic. I just don't like
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  Speaker 3: being sexually assaulted in the hallways at school, because that's
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  Speaker 3: not what you must say.
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  Speaker 2: By being sexually assaulted.
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  Speaker 3: That's what you must say to be listened to, to
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  Speaker 3: be believed in Fairfax County.
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  Speaker 1: So it's the downward spiral begins.
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  Speaker 2: My friends, Well, we're rooting for you, guys, but also
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  Speaker 2: welcoming you to Florida, to the great state of Florida.
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  Speaker 2: A different decision.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 3: It's also I do want to say a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people are like, oh, we were outspent by this much.
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  Speaker 1: Fine, they did the right thing by spending a lot
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  Speaker 1: of money.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would matter to them they wanted.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they didn't do the right thing in getting
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  Speaker 3: it on the ballot in the right way.
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  Speaker 2: A morally wrong, politically correct yep.
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  Speaker 1: So they got their dub.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, we're going to continue the fight and
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  Speaker 2: see where we end up. We will keep you all
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  Speaker 2: posted about that, and we're going to take a short
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  Speaker 2: break and come right back with more on normally. We
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: are back on normally where On Tuesday, the FBI and
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  Speaker 2: the Justice Department announced charges against the Southern Poverty Law Center, which,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't know anything about them, they have nothing
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: to do with the South, nothing to do with poverty,
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with law, and they are accused of
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  Speaker 2: funneling millions of dollars to white supremacist and extremist groups. Now, again,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: if you don't know about this organization, they say that
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: they fight white supremacist and extremist groups. So the fact
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  Speaker 2: that they're funding them comes as a bit of a surprise,
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  Speaker 2: although I have to say I'm very, very not surprised.
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  Speaker 2: It's like it's something you assume but you can't prove.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where we are. So the SPLC says that
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  Speaker 2: they fight these groups, and now it turns out that
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  Speaker 2: they funded groups like the KKK and the Patriot Front.
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  Speaker 3: It's wild well, and their argument is, we have informants
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  Speaker 3: that help us figure things out about how to protect people,
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  Speaker 3: and then we passed that on the law enforcement. The
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  Speaker 3: numbers of what they were paying, yeah these peoples.
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  Speaker 2: I read those or yeah, yeah, So they paid the
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  Speaker 2: National Alliance affiliate over a million dollars, the Aryan Nation's
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  Speaker 2: affiliate three hundred, over three hundred k Unite the Right, which,
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  Speaker 2: as you may remember, was the Charlottesville rally that was
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  Speaker 2: which they condemned, of course wholeheartedly. They paid one guy
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  Speaker 2: there two hundred and seventy thousand dollars, one of the
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  Speaker 2: leaders a former National Alliance chairman. Again, that's the same
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  Speaker 2: group they paid over a million, made one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: forty thousand, former KKK members made over seventy three thousand,
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  Speaker 2: American Front president over nineteen thousand. I mean, these numbers
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  Speaker 2: are insane.
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  Speaker 1: I mean we've been made to answer for Charlottesville for years.
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  Speaker 3: Were you paid any money, Carol, I like money Charlottesville.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe not for that, Okay, I would like to be
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  Speaker 2: paid to defend, you know, the fact that racism is
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: not as big a problem in the US as the
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  Speaker 2: SPLC would like it to be. It's like, again, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the ls.
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  Speaker 3: Sees demand for white supremacy the supply, and they.
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  Speaker 2: Have to create the supply.
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  Speaker 3: But like, how ludicrous, Chris is it that anyone right
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  Speaker 3: of center is smeared with Unite the Right and torch
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  Speaker 3: bearing Charlottesville guys. But the actual people paying the torch
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  Speaker 3: bearing Charlottesville Nazis to be there, they're the saviors.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite the thing. It's also just interesting because
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  Speaker 2: the you know, we see the Patriot Front guys come
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  Speaker 2: out of a truck dressed identically and everybody kind of
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  Speaker 2: jokes at their FEDS. They could easily be SPLC. And
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: that's what makes the most sense here. Kira Davis posted
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  Speaker 2: about this, said, it's the scandal of the century. The
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  Speaker 2: SPLC funded the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, which
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  Speaker 2: gave America the now thoroughly and repeatedly debunked. Very fine
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  Speaker 2: people on both sides lie that nearly tore this whole
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: country apart. Some of you are still estranged from your
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: families because of what you believe happened that day. Some
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: of you have destroyed your closest relationships over it, and
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  Speaker 2: it was funded by the most prestigious left wing civil
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  Speaker 2: rights organization in America. They funded the KKK. This is
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  Speaker 2: a scandal that extends far beyond financial corruption. It is
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  Speaker 2: treason and people need to go to prison for this. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Her last line is and maybe we need a public hanging. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: maybe not. But I was with you right up until
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  Speaker 2: that last night.
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  Speaker 3: And like for my for our friends of the left,
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  Speaker 3: are you excited that your money went to actual Nazis?
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Because that's what they're doing with it. And I see
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: a lot of people rationalizing it and saying it's fine.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: The SPOC is not a law enforcement organization.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Right, they don't even even paying informants in the capacity
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: of law enforcement is very ethically and tactically challenging to do.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: And I just three hundred thousand. Any of you ever
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: gotten three hundred thousand dollars from an NGO? All of
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: the left is like, actually I have several.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Times I haven't.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: I haven't either, I haven't.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: But the Nazis have And like one when if they say, oh, well,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: this guy was just part of the unit, right, No,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: he was. He was gathering people and organizing transportation. He was,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: He was instrument mental to creating this thing that, as
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Kira points out, became an underpinning of the understanding of
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump in a way that wasn't fair of the right,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: in a way that was perhaps fabricated in pretty large
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: ways here, not just misinterpreted.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. And the USA Today headline on this and
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: their tweet is the Southern Poverty Law Center was indicted
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: for paying sources to infiltrate hate groups, the tactic federal
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: agencies have used for decades.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Are they a federal agency?
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Guys? Seriously?
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Is everything in op Polymath points out though about that headline.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: SPLC was not indicted for paying sources. They were indicted
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: for wire fraud, which is a little different and making
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: false statements.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: So those things are gonna get you in trouble sometimes.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. If you're funneling money to these groups and
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: you need to keep it quiet and you need people
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: not to find out, that's where you're going to get
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: in trouble and break the law. And that's sound like
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: what they did here.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Also, all the conspiracy theories continued to be correct, I know.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I know. And for those of us who are anti
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theories. It's like, uh, it's.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna make discernment a little tougher in the
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: future because.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I would have said this one was woopy. I don't know.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I SBLC to me has always just
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: seen like the biggest scam organization. They pressure companies like
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Facebook and like PayPal to give them money to fight
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: these this scourge, and we knew that scourge just did
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: not exist, you know. I doesn't even though Reunite the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Right rally, how many people were there and that was
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: the biggest rally like ever. You know.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Now, I definitely think that they're hacky scam artists. I
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: did not. I would not have assumed it went this far.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: I probably should have assumed that I would also like
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: to point out speaking of them being hacky scam artists.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: In two twenty twelve, a thing that no one remembers
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: because it was the wrong ideology. Doing the shooting, Floyd
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Lee Corkins traveled from his home in Virginia, Northern Virginia,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: into the city with a gun that he had purchased
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: recently and a sack full of Chick fil A sandwiches.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Because this was Dragonla scanning YEA and a map from
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: the SPLC noting hate groups. One of the groups on
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: that map was the Family Research Council, and he went
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: there and shot a security guard who valiantly saved the
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: organization from a massacre.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Tackled.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: The guy survived, he had an arm wound. Should have
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: been honored in wonderful ways, but again, an LGBTQ person
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: of color killing people over his left wing ideology was
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: not really big in the headlines. He was later convicted,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: but I always thought it was interesting how the media
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: could say that Sarah Palin's map to the killing or
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: the shooting of Stifford, That the SPLC's map being used
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: by an actual talking terrorist who was convicted of his terrorism,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: that was no big deal, and the SPLC had no
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: qualms about it and continues to put like the.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Babylon B on their map. Hate blon B. Perhaps you're
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: making some hate, perhaps you're the hate.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: And Gabby Gifford's shooting had nothing to do with Sarah
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Palin's map. No matter how many times in New York
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Times tried to tried to find a connection, there simply
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: wasn't any, and the shooter had never seen the map so.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Nor was he ideologically motivated?
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Right right? Andy No points out that if the allegations
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: are true, the SPLC is the largest funder of American
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Neo Nazis and KKK members. That's how big these numbers are.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: That is a problem.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: They made a problem. Yeah, they allegedly made a problem
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: that they could point to. This is him continuing to
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: fear mong or and fundraised hundreds of millions of dollars.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: More importantly, they could build a moral panic that Democrats
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: could use his sway elections and defame political targets. This
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: is more than just alleged mass financial fraud.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: It's bad.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, top funder of neo Nazis and KKK.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, what an honor? What what an honor.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: From a group that says they want to fight neo
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Nazis and KKK members. But yeah, that line you know
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: about the supply just not meeting the demand. We should
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: be grateful for that, We should be happy.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: That's well.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: My friend Lindsay, who did have a friend who worked
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: at SPLC, has an anecdote of when she was that
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: young employee was showing the map that he was working
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: on and was told by leadership.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: It looks too empty. You've got to fill it up.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: He's like, but are buying those Nazis?
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Are we doing the thing?
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Create them?
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Let's hate is good? Right?
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: No?
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: No, not for donors.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I also think that any group that has aligned
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: with SPLC should be ashamed and embarrassed.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Today.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: The ADL, for example, they worked with the SPLC to
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: target PayPal people who used PayPal, and they said these
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: were extremists, and of course, you know, they debanked them
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: from PayPal. I know that that's not quite the term,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: because PayPal's not a bank, but they stop them from
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: using their services because they were extremists. And now it
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: turns out the SPLC probably paid those extremists.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yet another institution just happy to earn.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: All right, We're going to take a short break and
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: be right back with one more story on Normally. We
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: are back on Normally, where Brian Schwartz at the Wall
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Street Journal reports this scoop. The Trump administration and Spirit
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Airlines are nearing a deal where the US government would
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: put up to five hundred million into Spirit Airlines stock
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: warrants to try to save the company, leading to a
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: potential significant stake the company, to which I say, why, why, how.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Don't we do this.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: It makes no sense. You know, our friend, Bethany Mendel,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: are good friend, Bethany Mandel, she tweeted, as somebody who
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: regularly buys eight tickets at a time. I'm grateful to
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: see this. We can't afford to be snobs about airlines.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: The Jet Blue merger was stopped by the Biden administration.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: The war has doubled the price of jet fuel. I'm
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: not a fan of most bailouts. This makes sense to me.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: What I would say is, I have nothing against Spirit.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I fly Spirit when they are the ones who can
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: get me from point A to point B the fastest,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and sometimes they are. They fly certain routes that other
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: people just don't fly, So this is not snobbery. I
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: have been on Spirit many times, and in fact I
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: think that they're frequently a great deal. And their big
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: front seat, which is like you know, their first class
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: costs the same as coach on other airlines. It's great.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I'm super pro it. I'm anti becoming an owner of
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: the company.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I don't want. I don't want the government to own
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: part of Spirit Airlines. This is like two government mess
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: ups and two separate administrations of different kinds the first
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: and the Biden administration that, hey, you could have just
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: let them of their own free will and volition merged
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: with Jet Blue, who was trying to acquire them, and
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: that would have been two discount airlines rolled into one,
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: and all those assets would have come together and they
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: could have had more ability to put a profitable business forward,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: and that would have been great, and that's what should
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: have happened.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: But the Biden administration did say no to that. That
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: was bad.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: But it is not my responsibility to rescue Spirit when
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: the Biden.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Administration screwed them over.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: I wish things had gone differently, but I don't want
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: to own this airline.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: And the thing is, like, I get her point about
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: oil prices, but Spirit, this is not a new bankruptcy.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: They entered bankruptcy a while ago, and oil was, you know,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: in the seventies at that point a barrel. So this
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: is not about the price of jet fuel. If you
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: can't sustain yourself when oil prices are lower, you probably
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: can't sustain yourself at all. And I don't see why
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: they can't look around for a buyer. That isn't again
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: me and you.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Well, and also you know what the Trump administration could
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: do return the termination fee for the old merger to
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Jet Blue and say, please use this as a down
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: payment to do the thing you should have done that.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry the stupid government wouldn't let you do. But
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: now you're good. Just sale go for it.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that would be okay, no sense, right, because
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: like Jet Blue paid like seventy million dollars or something
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: to get out of that deal once they determined that
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: they couldn't do it.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And also for buying airlines, I have some other ones
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I'd like to buy first. I just actually jet Blue.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Jet Blue is teetering.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Jet Blue is a far.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: More competent airline. And yes, if we're going to own
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: one again, this is why we shouldn't buy airlines. No,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: this is why, because it makes sense.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: And I'm with you. I'm not consulted, I'm with you.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I'm not a discount airline hater. I'm not an airline hater.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I'm actually quite sympathetic to the fact it's very hard
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: to operate in the environment that they're in doing what
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: they're doing, particularly post twenty twenty and all the business
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: that they lost combining airlines is a really good way
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: to solve that problem and to make sure that they
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: can survive, and the government wouldn't let them do that.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: I'm also just anti the government, saying when people can
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: merge of their own free will in a free country anyway. Yeah,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: that's probably one of my more radical views. I don't
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: even think they should have a say.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand the argument against them merging. It's
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: just yeah, it's.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Just lefties being lefties, just put their fingers in everything
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: and be like, no, that's too big.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's too big to have too small airline? Get
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: une together.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And they're the ones who really make it harder
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: for big families to travel. It isn't up to us
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: to save these companies that cater to bigger families. It
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: has to be a free market solution. I think the
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: more we move away from that, the worst it'll be
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: for us all, because this isn't the last time we're
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: gonna be bailing out, you know, some airline or some company,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: and just such a tough and bad path to be on.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: And Trump unfortunately has a pension for acquiring stakes in
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: these companies, and I say no to all of them. No,
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: thank you, Yeah, they don't want them.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Not a fan, not a fan of that at all. Well,
• 30:39
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• 30:42
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• 30:48
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