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The Late Debate | 10 March · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Lately welcome the Late Debates.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's great to have your company on the Late
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Speaker 2: Debate James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond. We've
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Speaker 2: got a lot to get through tonight, including comedian Dave
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Speaker 2: Hughes is applauded for throwing people out of his most
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Speaker 2: recent show. We'll let you see exactly what happened a
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Speaker 2: little later. Plus, when we look at tomorrow's papers, police
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Speaker 2: say the caravan filled with explosives in Durall was not
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Speaker 2: a terror plot, it was a hoax. And news from
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Speaker 2: Canberra that our government has wasted billions of taxpayer dollars
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Speaker 2: by continually amending contracts after they've signed them. We'll get
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Speaker 2: to all of that soon, But just imagine for a moment,
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Speaker 2: if you will, that you're a new South Wales judge
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Speaker 2: and you're dealing with, I don't know, a fifteen year
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Speaker 2: old boy who's facing a string of car theft and
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Speaker 2: break in charges, including holding residents at knife point, and
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Speaker 2: he's asking for you to release him on bail. What
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Speaker 2: would you do. Well, you'd probably ask to see his history,
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Speaker 2: his track records, see whether he's trustworthy to release on bail.
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Speaker 2: What if you learned that that fifteen year old boy
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Speaker 2: had already been released on bail four times and on
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Speaker 2: every single occasion wound up back in police custody. Would
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Speaker 2: you still grant him bail? This is the exact situation
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Speaker 2: that faced a New South Wales judge last week. She
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Speaker 2: was confronted by a fifteen year old boy facing car
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Speaker 2: theft and break in charges, and she learned that he
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Speaker 2: would been on parole in April last year when he
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Speaker 2: broke into four homes allegedly stealing cars and assaulting residents.
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Speaker 2: He was granted bail again, and during that period of
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Speaker 2: bail he broke into more homes, was arrested again, granted bail,
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Speaker 2: and while on bail four a third and fourth time,
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Speaker 2: broke into more houses, stole more cars, threatened people with knives,
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Speaker 2: and here he is before justice. Julia lonegan asking for
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Speaker 2: bail a fifth time, and the judge found and I
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Speaker 2: quote a high degree of confidence that he would not
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Speaker 2: offend again. And you know why she was so confident
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Speaker 2: he would not offend again because the boy, through his solicitor,
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Speaker 2: said he wanted to be a good role model for
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Speaker 2: his younger siblings, and he promised he would stay at
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Speaker 2: home when not at school. You have to wonder whether
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Speaker 2: the judge would have a high degree of confidence if
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Speaker 2: this fifteen year old boy lived in her suburb. Calebin
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Speaker 2: Lizza reminds me of another case in Melbourne, also last week,
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Speaker 2: where a fifteen year old boy, already out on bail,
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Speaker 2: broke into a home, stole Mercedes Benz, led police on
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Speaker 2: a car chase reaching speeds of two hundred and forty
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Speaker 2: kilometers an hour. The magistrate slammed the kid said, you
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Speaker 2: could have killed somebody if I took a poll out
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Speaker 2: on the street. Everybody would say you should be denied bail,
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Speaker 2: And then the magistrate promptly gave him bail. The magistrate
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Speaker 2: actually said that I quote, proms to commit no further
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Speaker 2: acts of offending. The young man said, what do you reckon?
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Speaker 1: He said, Caleb, I reckon? He said, yes, I do.
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Speaker 3: He said, I.
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Speaker 2: Promise I won't do it again. And the judge said,
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Speaker 2: all right, I'm going to hold you to that and
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Speaker 2: granted the kid bail. We can have politicians change the
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Speaker 2: laws all they like. We can have police do the
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Speaker 2: best police work you can imagine. But if magistrates and
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Speaker 2: judges keep looking at a track record that clearly says
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Speaker 2: this kid cannot be trusted and ignore it because for
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Speaker 2: whatever reason they take pity, or they think the rules
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Speaker 2: are too harsh, or it's just a kid, or they
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Speaker 2: believe a sop story. We are never going to see
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Speaker 2: the youth crime crisis resolve.
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Speaker 4: I mean, how can you possibly say that you could
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Speaker 4: have a high degree of confidence that someone who has
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Speaker 4: been bailed four times will not then reoffend, you know,
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Speaker 4: allegedly after all this reoffending that they have been doing.
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Speaker 4: And Justice Lonigan and a number of other judges in
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Speaker 4: New South Wales have been openly critical of the reforms
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Speaker 4: that the state government the Men's government have made to
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Speaker 4: youth bail laws. Because the government changed the laws to
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Speaker 4: say that if you're going to give bail to someone
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Speaker 4: on multiple occasions, you must have a high level of
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Speaker 4: confidence that they won't reoffend, and according to Justice Lonigan,
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Speaker 4: that imposes an additional obstruction to their release to their
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Speaker 4: family and community. Despite that child being entitled to the
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Speaker 4: presumption of innocence. All everyone before a court is entitled
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Speaker 4: to the presumption of innocence. It doesn't mean they're entitled
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Speaker 4: to be walking around in the community if there is
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Speaker 4: evidence that they may well reoffend many many times, or
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Speaker 4: we think they are a potential danger to the community.
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Speaker 4: And of course it's not like bail is added on
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Speaker 4: to any future sentence you may receive. You get compensation
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Speaker 4: for time already spent in custody that is taken off
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Speaker 4: of your sentence, and if for whatever reason, you're found
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Speaker 4: not guilty at a trial, you receive some form of
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Speaker 4: compensation monetarily for the time you spend in custody. So
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Speaker 4: there is literally no argument you can make that just
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Speaker 4: because they're a child, they should be at home with
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Speaker 4: their parents. I mean, heck, if they're at home with
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Speaker 4: their parents, and how allegedly committing crimes, do you really
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Speaker 4: want them going back to that home climing It is
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Speaker 4: something wrong in that home. It is a joke, a
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Speaker 4: mockery of the system. And until someone actually applies it
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Speaker 4: as it ought to be applied, this will not change.
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Speaker 5: But applies what therein lies the question.
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Speaker 6: Because all bail applications come down to what's called judicial discretion.
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Speaker 6: So every time you want to rail against a bail
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Speaker 6: yes or no from a magistrate, know that there are
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Speaker 6: no hard and fast rules when it comes to bail,
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Speaker 6: there's no check list.
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Speaker 5: I learned this at a little school, but I'm not
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Speaker 5: an authority.
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Speaker 6: I never graduated, but loved, loved learning about bail laws
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Speaker 6: and why they are a dog's breakfast in every single state.
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Speaker 6: You can't find a state or territory in Australia that's like, actually,
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Speaker 6: our bail laws are working beauty so bad the New
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Speaker 6: South Wales's bail laws that the New South Wales Bureau
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Speaker 6: of Crime, Statistics and Research did a paper just in
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Speaker 6: October of last year because they wanted to figure out
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Speaker 6: what is going on. The police refused bail and then
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Speaker 6: over fifty percent of the time the accused comes to
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Speaker 6: the bail hearing and gets granted bail. In twenty twenty
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Speaker 6: three it was over fifty percent. It was fifty three
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Speaker 6: point five percent that everyone who came before a magistrate
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Speaker 6: or judge and the police were like, no, don't let
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Speaker 6: these guys out on bail. The magistrate is far more
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Speaker 6: often likely to be like, yeah, okay, they're out on bail.
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Speaker 6: And it all boiled down to this judicial discretion hinging
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Speaker 6: on one particular thing. Because both parties care about community safety,
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Speaker 6: but a magistrate is far more likely to be convinced
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Speaker 6: by a good defense lawyer, which is why the accused
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Speaker 6: gets a defense lawyer.
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Speaker 5: They're far more likely to be convinced by.
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Speaker 6: That lawyer that the risks to the community can be
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Speaker 6: mitigated by certain bail conditions, and so by perhaps it
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Speaker 6: was then.
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Speaker 4: The rules of this guy's bail.
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Speaker 6: If he's like, I just go to school and I
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Speaker 6: come straight home and that is literally my only outing,
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Speaker 6: then a magistrate is going to go, Well, that mitigates
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Speaker 6: the risks of him reoffending, doesn't it If he's only
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Speaker 6: ever at school or at home at supervision of his parents, etc.
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Speaker 3: And so on.
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Speaker 5: It's these softy magistrates basically would be.
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Speaker 2: Very native maistrate who believes that.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and you've got to then go.
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Speaker 6: If it was your friends or relatives who had gotten
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Speaker 6: mugged by this kid, threatened by this kid, assaulted by
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Speaker 6: this kid, or had their property damaged by this kid,
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Speaker 6: would you, as the magistrate, really be that forgiving. Unlikely,
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Speaker 6: But that is what it comes down to, and you
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Speaker 6: can't really make laws to them, be like, well, the
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Speaker 6: magistrates don't have judicial discretion anymore. It's supposed to guarantee
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Speaker 6: an individualize, proportionate, case by case basis decision making process.
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Speaker 6: But again that relies heavily on the judge, and then
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Speaker 6: you get other judges who are way too heavy ended
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Speaker 6: and lo everyone up.
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Speaker 4: But this is the thing, right, It's like, why can't
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Speaker 4: they just see what the rest of us can see?
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Speaker 4: That there is generally a strong community reaction because people
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Speaker 4: feel like they're not safe, and it's like, how are
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Speaker 4: these people so far removed from the rest of us
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Speaker 4: that they can't understand there are simple things that can
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Speaker 4: be done to make us feel safer. It should be noted,
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Speaker 4: of course, that many people who are magistrates and judges
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Speaker 4: are former criminal defense lawyers themselves, and so it may
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Speaker 4: well be possible that coming from that world, they have
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Speaker 4: a different perspective on the way the criminal law should
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Speaker 4: be applied to say, a prosecutor who spent their career,
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Speaker 4: of course, trying to have people convicted in courts.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've sat in.
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Speaker 4: Many court rooms and it's very clear that different magistrates
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Speaker 4: and judges have very different ways of doing things and
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Speaker 4: very different bents against certain prosecutors and lawyers, etc.
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Speaker 1: Because they are vested with that power.
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Speaker 4: Because we say they should be trusted with that power,
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Speaker 4: but so often what they exercise just seems to be
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Speaker 4: so far removed from the rest of us.
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Speaker 2: I was at a cafe in Brisbane a few weeks
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Speaker 2: ago and waiting for my coffee and ended up hearing
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Speaker 2: a conversation behind me which involved a magistrate talking to
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Speaker 2: a couple of friends, I suppose about how he had
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Speaker 2: denied the media some sort of request that the media
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Speaker 2: were making in court, and he was puffing out his
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Speaker 2: chest and quite proud of himself that he had sat
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Speaker 2: that little television journalist down back in her seat and
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Speaker 2: denied her requests. I'm listening to it thinking, if only
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Speaker 2: you knew how ticked off the majority of people are
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Speaker 2: with decisions that happened now Magistrate's Court, particularly relating to
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Speaker 2: youth crime. I don't think you'd be quite so. When
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Speaker 2: we get to the papers. There's a story on the
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Speaker 2: front page of tomorrow's Herald's Son where our former police Commissioner,
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Speaker 2: Shane Patten in Victoria had a potential solution to this issue,
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Speaker 2: and we'll get to that later when we look at
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Speaker 2: the papers.
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Speaker 4: Indeed, I particularly love it when the people who administer
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Speaker 4: our justice system get in the way with us knowing
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Speaker 4: what's going on in the justice system. It's great though
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Speaker 4: unfortunately one of my favorite magistrates in South Australia when
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Speaker 4: I was a court reporter there was then sent.
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Speaker 1: Off to jail himself for alleged corruption.
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Speaker 4: But anyway, at least you did a good thing by
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Speaker 4: us trying to know what was going on, including what was.
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Speaker 1: Happening with himself.
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Speaker 4: Speaking of what's going on, let's talk about the UK
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Speaker 4: where if you want to get paid more money in
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Speaker 4: the public broadcast, we've worked out how to do it now.
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Speaker 4: I haven't checked whether this is the case at the
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Speaker 4: ABC here, but maybe we can deploy some people to
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Speaker 4: see whether it works. But it turns out at the BBC,
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Speaker 4: if you want to get paid more, it's very simple.
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Speaker 4: You've just got to be a woman, disabled, gay or black.
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Speaker 4: It is your free pass to getting paid more than
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Speaker 4: the people you work with, specifically if you are a
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Speaker 4: senior manager. Now, the BBC a few years ago made
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Speaker 4: a commitment that they would have quotas for people from
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Speaker 4: these particular groups. It was a fifty to twenty twelve target,
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Speaker 4: which meant it had to be fifty percent women at
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Speaker 4: least twenty percent Black, Asian or minority ethnic and at
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Speaker 4: least twelve percent disabled employees. So they've been hurtling fast
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Speaker 4: towards that number, and we see in their latest annual
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Speaker 4: report that if you're in one of those categories and
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Speaker 4: you're a senior manager at the BBC, you are getting
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Speaker 4: paid more than men, or non disabled people, or straight
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Speaker 4: people or white people at the BBC, because we know
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Speaker 4: that discrimination is good as long.
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Speaker 1: As it goes to minorities.
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Speaker 4: Women are paid five point seven percent more if they're
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Speaker 4: a senior manager at the BBC. Then men are disabled,
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Speaker 4: senior managers are paid eight point four percent more than
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Speaker 4: non disabled people, Black Asian and other ethnic minorities twelveero
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Speaker 4: point six percent more, and if you happen to be
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Speaker 4: LGBT GOOPLUS you get a whopping fifteen point six percent
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Speaker 4: more than you do if you are a straight person,
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Speaker 4: which are tasso Is, the Deputy Leader of Reform UK said,
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Speaker 4: top tip if you want to earn more at the BBC,
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Speaker 4: don't be a straight white male. People should be appointed
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Speaker 4: and paid based on merit, not on their ethnicity or
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Speaker 4: sexual preference. Now I've told you all of these numbers
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Speaker 4: and they may well be staggering, but there is one
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Speaker 4: number I want to see in the next annual report
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Speaker 4: from the BBC. What do you get paid if you
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Speaker 4: are a disabled female who is black and LGBTQ. Surely
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Speaker 4: that gets your fifty percent more than anyone else in
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Speaker 4: the building.
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Speaker 2: Are you become the chairperson of the bb sir? If
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Speaker 2: you fit that criteria? Imagine the BBC literally paying you
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Speaker 2: to be gay. You ask if this happens at the ABC.
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Speaker 2: A friend of mine, this is some years ago, but
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Speaker 2: he worked at the ABC and he was applying for
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Speaker 2: a promotion and he was filling out the forms and
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Speaker 2: he told, you know, I have no reason to doubt him.
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Speaker 2: He's not with the ABC anymore. That there was a
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Speaker 2: section of the form he had to fill out, an
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Speaker 2: internal form that asked what diversity characteristics would you bring?
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Speaker 2: And he was sitting there with one of his colleagues
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Speaker 2: trying to work out, what's my diversity characteristic? He wasn't gay,
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Speaker 2: he wasn't female, he wasn't trans, he wasn't disabled. And
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Speaker 2: then finally he realized his parents spoke a second language,
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Speaker 2: and so he put that down. That was the one
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Speaker 2: two about half an hour to remember, Oh, I could
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Speaker 2: use that, but literally he wasn't filling out his resume
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Speaker 2: in terms if he had this experience, he had these
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Speaker 2: abilities and talents. It was trying to work out what
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Speaker 2: is it about me that would tick that box? And
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Speaker 2: could you imagine any other industry. I mean, would you
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Speaker 2: fly on an aircraft where they said specifically we need
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Speaker 2: twelve percent to be disabled, or you know, twenty percent
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Speaker 2: to be Asian, Or would you go for surgery where
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Speaker 2: they had quotas for surgeons to meet certain diversity characteristics.
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Speaker 2: And yet this is all through the UK. Just this
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Speaker 2: weekend the Krufts International Dog Show, which I've not heard
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Speaker 2: about before, Caleb, but apparently it's a big deal.
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Speaker 4: Sounded like you're seen because a dog show in the world.
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Speaker 2: They get nine million viewers, who's been running since eighteen
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Speaker 2: ninety one and Channel four. They chose Ellie Simons, who's
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Speaker 2: probably a lovely young lady. She's a paralympian and she
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Speaker 2: was selected to host the coverage of this massive dog show.
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Speaker 2: And when the interview is done, as you know, she's
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Speaker 2: been promoted as the new host. She says, I actually
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Speaker 2: don't know anything about dogs at all, but I'm really
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Speaker 2: looking forward to learning about them. She was clearly appointed
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Speaker 2: because she's a former para olympian, nothing to do at
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Speaker 2: all with having any expertise to lead the coverage of
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Speaker 2: dog shows.
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Speaker 6: And what a shame for all the people out there
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Speaker 6: who would have been qualified up the wazoo for that.
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Speaker 2: Exactly for that very job.
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Speaker 6: Love dogs have religiously watched this competition every single year
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Speaker 6: since they were a kid. You see how DEI breeds resentment,
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Speaker 6: especially when it comes to light they're getting paid more,
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Speaker 6: not because they're more skilled, not because they topped the pops.
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Speaker 3: In the meritocracy.
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Speaker 6: No because they're either disabled, a different color to you,
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Speaker 6: or a different gender to you.
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Speaker 5: It's simply unfair.
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Speaker 6: Which is why DEI shoots itself in the face with
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Speaker 6: an elephant dit. No one is feeling warm and fuzzy
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Speaker 6: about diversity, equity and inclusion when you're the ones missing
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Speaker 6: out on that job promotion that you do deserve above
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Speaker 6: everybody else. You've been with the company longest. I cannot
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Speaker 6: tell you how many male mates of mine in their
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Speaker 6: respective sectors have suffered through this very process, seeing people
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Speaker 6: who haven't earned it, don't deserve it, are even relatively
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Speaker 6: new to the company have at no point during their
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Speaker 6: short tenure showcased skills being superior to theirs. I suddenly
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Speaker 6: shot up the food chain, and these white, straight blokes
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Speaker 6: are thinking, for heaven's sake, this is simply unfair, and
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Speaker 6: you want to force me to celebrate this.
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Speaker 3: It's not going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Because I couldn't.
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Speaker 4: I couldn't think logically why any of these people would
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Speaker 4: be paid more than they're non disabled, or straight, or
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Speaker 4: male colleagues, etcetera. The only thing I can think of
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Speaker 4: is that as part of this drive to meet the quota,
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Speaker 4: that they are giving attractive contracts to people to get
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Speaker 4: them to come to the BBC.
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Speaker 1: Because why, I mean, you wouldn't just.
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Speaker 4: Walk into any organization, would not you'd presume pay anyone
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Speaker 4: more than they could get away with paying them if possible.
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Speaker 4: I mean, look, if I can walk into a room
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Speaker 4: and say hey, because I'm a woman, I deserve a
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Speaker 4: bit more.
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Speaker 1: And like, ah, yeah, sure, I haven't.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think that's going on in any
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Speaker 4: boardroom anywhere. Surely it's because they were so desperate to
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Speaker 4: meet this quota that they were like, I'll just put
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Speaker 4: any number on the piece of paper if it means
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Speaker 4: I can meet my KPIs, which means I can stay
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Speaker 4: on the board and then I'm safe.
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Speaker 2: And of course I'd be fascinated to know if the
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Speaker 2: BBC can define what a woman is. I mean, this
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Speaker 2: stuff is everywhere? Is us reading into the UK Telegraph
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Speaker 2: today an article was the front page of the main
17:08
Speaker 2: part of their website was talking about how they have
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Speaker 2: decided the next James Bond will be a man, be
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Speaker 2: a man, and the headline.
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Speaker 3: And British and come from a CommonWell a female.
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Speaker 4: I I know it, guy, this was this was the
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Speaker 4: thing as Amazon's got the contract.
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Speaker 3: Okay, you're going to be blad James and not the
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Speaker 3: male bit down. What are they going to do?
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Speaker 7: Who?
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Speaker 2: That's good enough?
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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
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Speaker 6: To Syria now where finally, finally we are getting some
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Speaker 6: attention on the fact that two minority religious groups in Syria,
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Speaker 6: the fall of the Assad regime was.
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Speaker 1: Not a good thing.
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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, who knew?
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Speaker 6: This has been going on for a long time now,
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Speaker 6: but finally it's getting some attention from the media because
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Speaker 6: since Thursday of last week, they're saying over a thousand
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Speaker 6: people have been killed, namely mainly Ala white Muslims and
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Speaker 6: Christians in Syria now, sources on the ground say it's
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Speaker 6: more like thousands. They're seeing bodies pile up in the streets.
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Speaker 6: A lot of the footage that I've seen made available
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Speaker 6: on x by people there in the country is simply
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Speaker 6: far too disturbing to allow.
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Speaker 3: Who would have thought that if you.
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Speaker 6: Have a failed state pretty much run by al Qaida,
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Speaker 6: that's what we're looking at now. They are going to
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Speaker 6: turn on religious minorities.
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Speaker 3: And massacre them.
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Speaker 6: Trump's administration has rightly condemned this. Secretary of State.
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Speaker 3: Marco Rubio on over the.
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Speaker 6: Weekend, released a statement saying the United States condemns the
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Speaker 6: radical Islamis terrorists, including foreigny Hardy's, that murdered people in
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Speaker 6: western Syria in recent days.
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Speaker 5: As the United States.
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Speaker 6: Stands with Syria's religious and ethnic minorities, including its Christian, Jews,
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Speaker 6: Allyorite Kurdish communities, and offers its condolences to the victims
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Speaker 6: and their families. Syria's interim authorities must hold the perpetrators
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Speaker 6: of these massacres against Syria's minority communities accountable.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for the word salad.
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Speaker 5: You ticked the box.
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Speaker 3: What are you going to do about it. Head of National.
19:28
Speaker 6: Intelligence, newly appointed Tulsey Gabbard, also had similar to say
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Speaker 6: in a Senate hearing.
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Speaker 8: I shed no tears for the fall of the Asad regime.
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Speaker 8: But today we have an Islamist extremist who is now
19:43
Speaker 8: in charge of Syria, as I said, who danced on
19:46
Speaker 8: the streets to celebrate the nine to eleven attack, who
19:50
Speaker 8: ruled over it, live with an Islamist extremist governance, and
19:55
Speaker 8: who has already begun to persecute and kill and arrest
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Speaker 8: religious minorities like Christians in Syria. I understand why that
20:02
Speaker 8: should be acceptable to anyone is beyond me. True certainly, of.
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Speaker 3: Course they're in government now.
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Speaker 6: So what they're not going to talk about was that
20:10
Speaker 6: during Barack Obama's reign.
20:13
Speaker 5: This was a CIA op.
20:15
Speaker 6: The US port a billion dollars, specifically into a project
20:19
Speaker 6: called Project Timber Sycamore that funded terrorists, armed and trained
20:25
Speaker 6: them to topple the Assad regime. Now, when Trump's first
20:30
Speaker 6: administration came in, they.
20:32
Speaker 3: Trashed that project.
20:34
Speaker 6: But these terror roups groups sat there like sleeper cells,
20:38
Speaker 6: waiting for the green flagged by their Neocon overlords in
20:42
Speaker 6: the CIA. And when they got that green flag they acted.
20:46
Speaker 6: What we saw last December was a coup. You've got
20:50
Speaker 6: all these competing agendas in Syria. The US wanted Zad gone,
20:57
Speaker 6: Israel wanted Assad gone, Russia wanted Asad to stay, and Iran,
21:02
Speaker 6: of course wanted Assad to stay.
21:03
Speaker 3: And let's not mention.
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Speaker 6: Turkey, who also has its own agenda sharing a border
21:09
Speaker 6: with Syria. So what we saw in December was a coup.
21:13
Speaker 6: We're supposed to believe that fifteen hundred rebels literally overpowered
21:18
Speaker 6: the Syrian military, which is over three hundred thousand strong.
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Speaker 3: Not likely. I'm not buying that.
21:25
Speaker 6: But the ugly truth is what we're seeing here, and
21:28
Speaker 6: the reason why we have not seen any media coverage
21:31
Speaker 6: of the carnage that is currently happening in Syria is
21:35
Speaker 6: because the US and Israel have outwardly taken credit for
21:41
Speaker 6: the fall of the.
21:42
Speaker 5: Syrian regime, and this being a.
21:44
Speaker 6: Very unfortunate byproduct of the fall of said regime, nobody
21:50
Speaker 6: wants to take credit for that.
21:51
Speaker 4: I think what it proves is when you start interfering
21:54
Speaker 4: in other countries' business, you want to be damn sure
21:58
Speaker 4: you're going to do the job properly. Are the wise
22:00
Speaker 4: you end up with serious trouble. I mean, look at Afghanistan,
22:02
Speaker 4: for Heaven's sake, which is now back in the hands
22:04
Speaker 4: of the Taliban. Of course, when Biden pulled out of there,
22:07
Speaker 4: he left all the gear behind. They came in and
22:09
Speaker 4: took it. And look what's happened there. I mean, Basha
22:12
Speaker 4: al Assad was an evil man, was a dictator, you know,
22:18
Speaker 4: had a reign of terror across his own country, rampant
22:22
Speaker 4: people being locked up because they were against it, like
22:24
Speaker 4: you know, all the stuff that dictators do. So you
22:26
Speaker 4: take that away and you say, okay, we got rid
22:29
Speaker 4: of that bad guy. And then who replaces him other
22:32
Speaker 4: bad guys. And of course, if you look at the
22:35
Speaker 4: ethnic and religious makeup of Syria, ala whites, of which
22:40
Speaker 4: Assad was one sort of had a great rise under Assad,
22:45
Speaker 4: or when he replaced his father, that is, and so
22:48
Speaker 4: that created tension, but he generally had a secular government.
22:52
Speaker 4: What you've had since the civil war that started in
22:55
Speaker 4: twenty eleven is an increasingly sectarian war that has been
22:59
Speaker 4: four along religious lines, and of course in Islam it's
23:02
Speaker 4: the Shias versus the Sunnis and on. It has gone
23:05
Speaker 4: to a point where you now have islamus running the show,
23:08
Speaker 4: and of course they're going to slaughter Christians. What do
23:10
Speaker 4: you think is going to happen? The more we interfere overseas,
23:13
Speaker 4: the more trouble we cause, and then we have more trouble.
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Speaker 1: But what do we think happens?
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Speaker 2: And it should not be a surprise to anybody. Mohammed
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Speaker 2: el Jilani, who toppled Ass'ad, worked with al Qaeda and
23:23
Speaker 2: with ISIS. His stated goal has long been to impose
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Speaker 2: Sharia law on Syria. He says as a seventeen year
23:31
Speaker 2: old he became radicalized by reading the sayings of Mohammed
23:34
Speaker 2: in the Hadith and the Qur'an. He spent time in jail,
23:38
Speaker 2: whereupon he wrote a manual for jihad, which then became
23:41
Speaker 2: a document used by ISIS. So what did anybody think
23:44
Speaker 2: was going to happen when he became the leader of Syria.
23:48
Speaker 2: It's funny watching some of the media reports from the
23:50
Speaker 2: time when Asad was toppled, because Mohammed el Julani promised,
23:54
Speaker 2: we're going to have a nation of tolerance and we're
23:57
Speaker 2: going to a diverse word and we're just seeing played
24:02
Speaker 2: out now what we've seen, you know, since five seventy AD. Interestingly, though,
24:08
Speaker 2: imagine if Israel had not taken out all of those
24:11
Speaker 2: weapons supplies that the Asad regime left in Israel. Were
24:14
Speaker 2: criticized for that at the time, but thank god they did,
24:17
Speaker 2: because the last thing you'd want is effectively an al
24:20
Speaker 2: Qaeda Isis supporter with his hands on all of those.
24:24
Speaker 2: And the other interesting thing is that you've got now
24:27
Speaker 2: ethnic communities in southern Syria asking for Israel to take
24:31
Speaker 2: on governance of their areas and come under the protect
24:34
Speaker 2: So you've got Arabs wanting the Israelis to protect them.
24:37
Speaker 2: And Third, all those people on university campuses, you know,
24:41
Speaker 2: campaigning against genocide and ethnic cleansing and all that sort
24:44
Speaker 2: of thing, are strangely silent at what is happening in
24:47
Speaker 2: Syria where people are being targeted not because they're holding hostages,
24:51
Speaker 2: but because they are Christians, or because they're the wrong
24:54
Speaker 2: brand of Islam, or because there's some sort of other
24:57
Speaker 2: mystical religion. They're being argeted for those reasons and not
25:01
Speaker 2: a peep on our university campuses, which just shows the
25:05
Speaker 2: utter hypocrisy of the left. Let's go to Victoria, where
25:09
Speaker 2: utter hypocrisy rains continually as well, not to mention incompetence.
25:14
Speaker 2: If you've been to Victoria recently and traveled on public transport,
25:17
Speaker 2: it's a nightmare, unlike Sydney, where you just tap on
25:21
Speaker 2: and tap off using your credit card. They want that
25:25
Speaker 2: system in Victorians, but in fact they spent one point
25:27
Speaker 2: seven billion dollars contracting someone to create it, which I
25:32
Speaker 2: must point out was always a folly since that system
25:35
Speaker 2: existed in New South Wales, for instance, But rather than
25:39
Speaker 2: adopt an existing system, the Victorian government decided to build
25:42
Speaker 2: it from scratch. It's still not working, and now those
25:47
Speaker 2: responsible for implementing the contactless ticketing system have been paid
25:52
Speaker 2: several million dollars not to do it so somebody else
25:56
Speaker 2: can be brought in to do it instead. This is
25:59
Speaker 2: typical Victoria lives where the government paid what was it
26:02
Speaker 2: a billion dollars not to build the East West Freeway link,
26:07
Speaker 2: where they paid four hundred million dollars not to run
26:09
Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Games, and now they're paying several million dollars
26:13
Speaker 2: not to have this company fix the my key system.
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Speaker 6: Do you think this is one of the contracts included
26:20
Speaker 6: in the story that we'll get to in the papers. Wait,
26:22
Speaker 6: till you find out how much tax payer dollars are
26:25
Speaker 6: being spent on these contract amendments. Does that include cancelations
26:30
Speaker 6: which is outright cancelation?
26:32
Speaker 2: Why not?
26:33
Speaker 4: Let's check it all in. How hard can it be that?
26:37
Speaker 4: This is what I don't get. We've wont it in
26:38
Speaker 4: New South Wales, they've got it down in South Australia.
26:41
Speaker 2: In London for years.
26:42
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know what the.
26:43
Speaker 4: Situation's like in Brisbane, whether they can use credit cards.
26:47
Speaker 4: But how hard can it be to take a piece
26:49
Speaker 4: of machinery that allows you to tap on a card
26:52
Speaker 4: and then also allow it to tap on a credit card.
26:54
Speaker 4: I mean, if they can't do that, if they can't
26:56
Speaker 4: update the market system, why don't they go to a
27:00
Speaker 4: bank and say, look, can we just have a bunch
27:02
Speaker 4: of FPOs terminals please, and we'll just fit them in
27:05
Speaker 4: the trains and the buses.
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Speaker 1: They don't cost any money.
27:08
Speaker 4: The banks hand them out for free because they want
27:10
Speaker 4: the business, they.
27:11
Speaker 1: Want the money going through their banks.
27:12
Speaker 4: And then you just tap your credit card like you
27:15
Speaker 4: do when you go to the shop and it charges.
27:17
Speaker 1: You the fair How hard can it be in to
27:20
Speaker 1: do this stuff?
27:20
Speaker 4: The technology exists, I mean when it happened in South Australia,
27:23
Speaker 4: and I go down there frequently being an Adelaide boy,
27:26
Speaker 4: I didn't know it was coming because it didn't have
27:28
Speaker 4: a lot of wide reporting, presumably because it wasn't an
27:32
Speaker 4: extraordinary thing that the South Australian government worked out how
27:35
Speaker 4: to make their systems work with credit cards. I just
27:38
Speaker 4: rocked up one day and you could use your credit
27:40
Speaker 4: card and they did a trial and it was great.
27:42
Speaker 1: Now it's on every bus, simple as that. Why can't
27:44
Speaker 1: Victoria do this stuff?
27:46
Speaker 4: Like how hard is it when you have a ticketing
27:49
Speaker 4: system to just make it do what everyone else's.
27:52
Speaker 3: Hand all done out the Allen government. You're asking for
27:55
Speaker 3: too much.
27:56
Speaker 4: I know. And we're talking about the government of course,
27:58
Speaker 4: where the Premier says there should be a rev you
28:00
Speaker 4: into Bayol laws, and then the Police Minister doesn't think
28:02
Speaker 4: they should be review into Baio laws, and then the
28:04
Speaker 4: Attorney General doesn't know that there's going to be review
28:06
Speaker 4: into Bayol.
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Speaker 6: Laws and they did amend their bail laws just last year.
28:11
Speaker 6: It's unbelievable, Victorians, Why are there any of you left?
28:15
Speaker 3: Just high tail it out of there?
28:17
Speaker 6: A great story out of America tonight Missouri has decided
28:21
Speaker 6: to take China to court and sue them for the
28:24
Speaker 6: whole You know, that COVID thing, that massive pandemic, that
28:28
Speaker 6: people lost, bajillions of money, Countries were on their knees,
28:32
Speaker 6: entire economies ruined.
28:34
Speaker 3: People were traumatized.
28:37
Speaker 6: In their personal and professional lives for years on. And well,
28:41
Speaker 6: Missouri's decided they're going to get justice. Andrew Bailey, Missouri
28:47
Speaker 6: Attorney General, is quoted as saying, China refused to show
28:51
Speaker 6: up to court while we were suing them here in Missouri,
28:54
Speaker 6: but that doesn't mean they get away with causing untold
28:57
Speaker 6: suffering and economic devastation. We intend to collect every penny
29:02
Speaker 6: by seizing Chinese owned assets, including Missouri farmland. So they've
29:09
Speaker 6: taken China to court. China, of course, didn't show up.
29:12
Speaker 6: They found in favor of Missouri and have successfully sued
29:16
Speaker 6: China for twenty eight billion dollars. And they say, oh, look,
29:21
Speaker 6: it's fine, they're not going to show up and pay
29:23
Speaker 6: us the cash.
29:24
Speaker 5: We're just gonna keep seizing assets.
29:27
Speaker 6: Of course, China addressed this and just waved it off
29:31
Speaker 6: like it was utter nonsense. The Chinese Embassy in Washington's
29:34
Speaker 6: spokesperson said, the so called lawsuit has no basis in fact,
29:39
Speaker 6: law or international precedents. China does not and will not
29:44
Speaker 6: accept it. If China's interests are harmed, we will firmly
29:47
Speaker 6: take reciprocal countermeasures according to international law. Now Eric Schmidt,
29:54
Speaker 6: now Missouri Senator, was the former Missouri AG. I got
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Speaker 6: the ball rolling, and my predecessor, my successor, rather has
30:05
Speaker 6: kept it going.
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Speaker 3: Go us, He says.
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Speaker 6: When I was AG in Missouri, I sued China for
30:11
Speaker 6: unleashing COVID on the world. My successor and friend Andrew
30:15
Speaker 6: Bailey continued the work, and today the court awarded Missouri
30:19
Speaker 6: twenty four billion in damages. I said twenty eight earlier.
30:23
Speaker 6: Oh okay, we'll round it down to twenty four. Missouri
30:26
Speaker 6: can now seize assets. Just call us the show me
30:31
Speaker 6: the money state. My question is, if Missouri can do
30:35
Speaker 6: this and now just start ripping back Chinese own assets
30:40
Speaker 6: in their state.
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Speaker 5: What's to stop the rest of us from taking note?
30:44
Speaker 2: So specifically, they found that China had covered up the pandemic,
30:48
Speaker 2: especially at the start, and that China had hoarded protective
30:53
Speaker 2: gear and equipment, and then that of course affected people
30:56
Speaker 2: in Missouri. But you're right, and not just individual states.
30:59
Speaker 2: Why haven't international institutions and bodies pursued this? Why is
31:03
Speaker 2: at some court in Missouri that none of us have
31:05
Speaker 2: ever heard, that have had the balls to take on China.
31:08
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison, for all of his failings, at least tried
31:11
Speaker 2: to get the world to hold China accountable. How come
31:15
Speaker 2: it's a court in Missouri that's doing this and not
31:17
Speaker 2: all these international bodies that keep going on about how
31:19
Speaker 2: they're here to guard our rights and to ensure justice,
31:22
Speaker 2: and they just wave this one.
31:23
Speaker 4: Away because I'm not sure how you actually enforce it.
31:26
Speaker 4: It's a thing in the US where you can actually
31:29
Speaker 4: sue foreign countries through their courts, and that's obviously what
31:32
Speaker 4: has happened here. It was originally knocked back, then it
31:35
Speaker 4: was appealed, that went to the district court, which is
31:37
Speaker 4: where this.
31:37
Speaker 1: Judgment came down.
31:39
Speaker 4: But I don't know, once you've sued a foreign country
31:42
Speaker 4: in your own country and then say that a foreign
31:44
Speaker 4: country owes you a lot of money, how do you
31:46
Speaker 4: go and actually collect that debt in a legitimate way,
31:50
Speaker 4: Like I know they're saying. I know they're saying they're
31:52
Speaker 4: going to seize the assets. But once they've seized the assets.
31:56
Speaker 4: What do you do then, how do you actually legitimately
31:58
Speaker 4: seize the assets?
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Speaker 1: Are like a murky situation. I love it. I mean,
32:02
Speaker 1: I hope they can pull it's the money from.
32:05
Speaker 4: Well the state because the states the state.
32:08
Speaker 3: Can just respend it, or that the state can.
32:10
Speaker 1: Do it at once with it.
32:11
Speaker 4: It's the state that's won the case, so that the
32:13
Speaker 4: state would be the beneficiary of the damages. So they
32:16
Speaker 4: say they're going to seize assets, but they're saying, okay,
32:18
Speaker 4: we'll seize Chinese owned assets, but they've.
32:21
Speaker 1: Sued the CCP, et cetera.
32:23
Speaker 4: If you're some bloke in China who owns a bit
32:26
Speaker 4: of land in Missouri and then all of a sudden
32:28
Speaker 4: your land is being taken away because the CCP did something,
32:32
Speaker 4: you're probably going to be pretty upset. I don't think
32:34
Speaker 4: this is going to be the end of this discussion,
32:36
Speaker 4: but I like where they're going with it.
32:39
Speaker 1: You know, if we could do it, if we could.
32:41
Speaker 4: Pull it off, I'd be all on board with it,
32:43
Speaker 4: and I just think it would be a little bit dodging.
32:45
Speaker 1: But of course, you see, the thing is they say.
32:47
Speaker 4: We'll retaliate, and the only way they can retaliate is
32:51
Speaker 4: in trade means, which is of course where the United
32:54
Speaker 4: States actually does have a little bit of an upper
32:56
Speaker 4: hand here in any other country that wanted to try
32:57
Speaker 4: it on would have an upper hand because theydn't retaliate
33:00
Speaker 4: by saying, well, we're going to stop the Aussies and
33:02
Speaker 4: the US from owning land in China because that's already illegal,
33:06
Speaker 4: and maybe we should take note of that.
33:09
Speaker 1: Maybe we should think for ourselves.
33:10
Speaker 4: We're saying now that we're going to reclaim land that's
33:13
Speaker 4: owned by Chinese people in Missouri in the United States,
33:16
Speaker 4: why are they allowed to own it in the first place.
33:20
Speaker 4: Just aarsts China, they'll tell you why they don't want
33:22
Speaker 4: people having land in their country.
33:24
Speaker 1: Let's go just a little bit further over the border.
33:26
Speaker 4: Up to Canada now, where they have a new prime Minister,
33:29
Speaker 4: Mark Karney. He's the new leader of the Liberal Party,
33:32
Speaker 4: who of course replaces the train.
33:34
Speaker 1: Wreck that was justin Trudeau.
33:36
Speaker 4: He worked out, of course that there is no way
33:38
Speaker 4: he's going to win the election that is set to
33:41
Speaker 4: be held in October this year. It'll probably be earlyer
33:44
Speaker 4: now that they've had a change of hands with the
33:46
Speaker 4: leadership here is justin Trudeau saying thank you so much.
33:51
Speaker 7: On a personal level, I've made sure that every single
33:56
Speaker 7: day in this office, I put Canadians first, have people's backs,
34:02
Speaker 7: and that's why I'm here to tell you all we
34:06
Speaker 7: got you. Even in the very last days of this government.
34:11
Speaker 7: We will not let Canadians down today and long into
34:15
Speaker 7: the future.
34:17
Speaker 1: Oh it's all very sweet, isn't it.
34:19
Speaker 4: So? Of course, sniffing the wind and realizing what's happened
34:22
Speaker 4: south of the border in Canada, in the United States
34:24
Speaker 4: where Trump has just swept to power, because of course
34:27
Speaker 4: people are sick of left wing politics, and we're left
34:30
Speaker 4: wing people doing what left wing people have been doing,
34:32
Speaker 4: which is basically not listening to what's going on in
34:35
Speaker 4: their own countries. The Liberal Party has said, yes, let's
34:38
Speaker 4: bring on someone who wants to do everything we've been
34:41
Speaker 4: doing for years and years under Trudeau.
34:43
Speaker 1: Here is Mark Carney.
34:45
Speaker 9: Donald Trump, as we know, has put as the Prime minister,
34:50
Speaker 9: just said unjustified terriffs on what we build, on what
34:54
Speaker 9: we sell, on how we make a living. He's attacking
35:00
Speaker 9: Canadian families, workers and businesses, and we cannot let him succeed.
35:07
Speaker 4: Yes, we're going to stop that evil Trump. Good luck
35:10
Speaker 4: with that, because you're not going to win the election.
35:12
Speaker 4: If there's one thing we should be grateful for, it's
35:14
Speaker 4: the Christia Friedland, who was also in the running for
35:18
Speaker 4: prime minister after this speech, just somehow didn't make it.
35:23
Speaker 10: A few weeks ago in Saskatoon, I met a four
35:26
Speaker 10: year old girl named Ari. She asked me, can you
35:31
Speaker 10: stop Trump from invading Canada. Ari is a smart girl
35:36
Speaker 10: and she's asking the right question. I'm running to be
35:40
Speaker 10: leader of the Liberal Party and the next Prime Minister
35:44
Speaker 10: of Canada.
35:45
Speaker 4: So I guess Canada is at risk of being invaded
35:48
Speaker 4: now because she didn't get the prime ministership.
35:50
Speaker 1: It's bad, but it could have been worse.
35:52
Speaker 2: She went further than that, She's actually asking for the
35:54
Speaker 2: UK and France to enter into a pact with Canada
35:58
Speaker 2: to provide a nuclear deterr It's to Donald Trump from
36:01
Speaker 2: ever invading Canada, which just shows you where the Canadian
36:05
Speaker 2: Liberal Party is. That they have nothing at all to
36:08
Speaker 2: run on other than turning Donald Trump into the ultimate
36:11
Speaker 2: bogey man who's going to invade Canada. And if anyone
36:15
Speaker 2: thinks Trump and America are going to invade Canada, they
36:18
Speaker 2: deserve to have who is that Mark Carney as their
36:21
Speaker 2: prime minister. The other interesting thing is about the Canadian
36:24
Speaker 2: Liberals is less than half of those eligible to vote
36:28
Speaker 2: for the next leader of the party to replace Trudeau.
36:31
Speaker 2: Less than half of those eligible bothered to vote, and
36:33
Speaker 2: when they did, they vote for guys not even in parliament.
36:35
Speaker 2: Mark Carney's not even in the parliament.
36:37
Speaker 3: This is true.
36:39
Speaker 6: This was replacing like king of the globalist picks with
36:44
Speaker 6: another king of the globalist picks.
36:46
Speaker 3: Like read Carney's resume. It's like, oh, Jermia favor.
36:51
Speaker 5: And this is going to be a marvelous showdown.
36:53
Speaker 6: Canada is due to go to the polls in October,
36:56
Speaker 6: but everyone suspects they'll go earlier.
36:59
Speaker 3: This will trigger so sort of a snap election.
37:01
Speaker 6: It'll end up being earlier because they're ready for a
37:03
Speaker 6: showdown now.
37:04
Speaker 3: But it's this.
37:05
Speaker 6: Carneie fellow versus the Canadian Trump in Pierre Polivier or
37:11
Speaker 6: however you want to.
37:12
Speaker 3: Pronounce his last name.
37:13
Speaker 6: I've heard so many different versions even I'm confused now,
37:16
Speaker 6: but this guy has been heralded as the Canadian Trump,
37:20
Speaker 6: and I think these guys are about to find out
37:24
Speaker 6: just how much Canadians actually don't mind themselves a little
37:27
Speaker 6: bit of trump.
37:27
Speaker 4: Well, you know, in Australia you'd never let a carne
37:30
Speaker 4: run the country, would you. But apparently in Canada that's okay.
37:33
Speaker 2: No, But they have now got a former banker leading
37:36
Speaker 2: their country, and didn't Australia have a former banker our country.
37:39
Speaker 2: We'll talk about him in the papers. But coming up
37:42
Speaker 2: after the break, including in the papers, police find that
37:45
Speaker 2: caravan filled with explosives was not a terror plot. Apparently
37:48
Speaker 2: it was just a hoax. All of that and a
37:50
Speaker 2: bit more, and we look at the papers in just
37:51
Speaker 2: a moment, welcome back. Let's look at what's making news tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: The Daily Telegraph Lives have got a big story about
38:04
Speaker 2: that caravan filled with explosive.
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Speaker 3: Big story and a great story. I mean, this is
38:10
Speaker 3: good news.
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Speaker 5: Crook stage act of anti Semitic terror.
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Speaker 3: It was all a vile hoax. We've been had.
38:18
Speaker 5: But have you ever been gladder to be to have
38:22
Speaker 5: been had?
38:23
Speaker 6: A caravan filled with explosives found in Sydney's northwest was
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Speaker 6: part of a fabricated terrorist plot, masterminded by crime figures
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Speaker 6: who held vain hopes of using it to cut a
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Speaker 6: deal with authorities to seek a reduce sentence for other matters,
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Speaker 6: police said yesterday. It comes as the Daily Telegraph can
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Speaker 6: reveal the Australian Federal Police knew the explosive laden caravan
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Speaker 6: existed before it was found at Dural. Here's the AFP
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Speaker 6: Deputy Commissioner addressing this today. Today I can reveal that
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Speaker 6: the caravan was never going to cause an casualty event,
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Speaker 6: but instead was concocted by criminals who wanted to cause
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Speaker 6: fear for personal benefit.
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Speaker 3: Vile criminals.
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Speaker 6: But what are relief to know that this was staged
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Speaker 6: by some whack jobs with an entirely different agender. I
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Speaker 6: think for that reason, it's a very good story and
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Speaker 6: jokes on Australia because we introduce those hate speech laws,
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Speaker 6: those new hate speech laws, which I was very vehement
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Speaker 6: against and still am, due to this very thing that
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Speaker 6: now has been confirmed by.
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Speaker 5: Police to be a complete hoax.
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Speaker 3: It was a fake terror.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'd be that excited about the news
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Speaker 2: just yet, because I reckon police have gone early. They've
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Speaker 2: said in this article they're not sure if it was
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Speaker 2: used as leverage to try and get a reduced sentence
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Speaker 2: by criminals, ie they plant this caravan. Then they tell
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Speaker 2: police about it, and police, oh, thank you, because you've
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Speaker 2: done that, will reduce your sentence. In other cases, they're
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Speaker 2: not if it's that, or if it was done to
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Speaker 2: cause fear but was never going to be a threat,
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Speaker 2: but done to cause fear, And if you've got organized
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Speaker 2: crime now doing things to cause fear amongst the Jewish community,
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's something to be all that relieved
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Speaker 2: or excited.
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Speaker 6: I'm just saying it's a marvelous thing that we now
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Speaker 6: know that nobody was intending to actually blow up another
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Speaker 6: synagogue or harm people physically.
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Speaker 4: Well the hell of a lot better than the alternative, right,
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Speaker 4: But I suppose a terror terror a terror act is
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Speaker 4: that terror is the operative word. I mean, terror is
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Speaker 4: necessarily a physical act. It's a feeling that you experienced,
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Speaker 4: and of course this would have created terror for whatever
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Speaker 4: means was supposedly what these organized crime crims wanted. But
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Speaker 4: what we know is that, you know, there are people
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Speaker 4: on the periphery who've been arrested on this matter, who
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Speaker 4: presumably have been contracted to get involved in these things,
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Speaker 4: but we haven't been told who's actually pulling the selling.
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Speaker 4: Weird thing about this just gets weirder. And it was
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Speaker 4: weird to begin with, and it just gets weirder and
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Speaker 4: weirder and weirder from the point that it took so
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Speaker 4: long for police, of course to tell the public about it,
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Speaker 4: that the Prime Minister seemingly hadn't been told about it,
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Speaker 4: even though other people had been briefed and knew about it.
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Speaker 4: Now we're told that it's organized crime, but we don't
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Speaker 4: know who in organized crime it was.
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Speaker 1: The whole thing is weird.
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Speaker 6: So you can bet you take it to the bank
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Speaker 6: that they know a lot more than they're saying they
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Speaker 6: always do.
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Speaker 2: But we had Chris Min's, the New South Wales Premier,
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Speaker 2: saying that this was a terror threat. Well, the AFP
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Speaker 2: apparently was sitting there knowing the entire time. No, no,
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Speaker 2: it's nothing of the sort, and yet they allowed this
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Speaker 2: thing to None of this makes sense.
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Speaker 6: So you're saying now that the government was complicit in
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Speaker 6: spreading terror when it knew there was no no.
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Speaker 1: No, because the AFP.
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Speaker 4: The AFP didn't tell the New South Wales Police about
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Speaker 4: their thoughts and investigation. So of course the New South
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Speaker 4: Wales Police talked about what they thought they knew, but
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Speaker 4: the AFP had withheld information.
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Speaker 6: Does this potentially plane why Albo didn't reveal what he
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Speaker 6: knew when he knew it, because remember that was a
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Speaker 6: massive talking point for a very long time. It's like,
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Speaker 6: you knew about this van, you didn't say anything. Why
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Speaker 6: didn't you say anything about the van? Maybe he had
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Speaker 6: been made aware of something along these lines.
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Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense because then he allowed Chris Mins
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Speaker 2: to look like an idiot without I know, Chris Mins
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Speaker 2: makes sense. We're never going to solve that one tonight.
42:23
Speaker 2: Let's move on to The Herald's Son. We were talking
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Speaker 2: about bail laws earlier. This is a great story in
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Speaker 2: The Herald's Son, Bail betrayal bombshell, great use of the
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Speaker 2: literation by the sub editors at The Herald's Son. Former
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Speaker 2: Victoria Police Chief Shane Patten lobbied the Allen government to
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Speaker 2: adopt a seven point plan to fix the state's failed
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Speaker 2: bail system about two weeks before he was axed. The
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Speaker 2: Herald's Son can reveal the plan's keyplank was to limit
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Speaker 2: accused offenders to a maximum of three sets of bail
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Speaker 2: before they were remanded in custody. Now, whistleblowers say a
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Speaker 2: senior official told mister Patten the government did not have
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Speaker 2: enough care or prison beds to implement the proposal. It
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Speaker 2: comes as repeat offenders have been released into the community
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Speaker 2: up to fifty five times and pressure grows for a
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Speaker 2: bail law's overhaul. That's an astonishing admission if it's true
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Speaker 2: that the government simply said, look, we just don't have
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Speaker 2: enough prison beds or money to implement tough bail laws,
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Speaker 2: especially when you consider that just Center Allen has initiated
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Speaker 2: a review into bail laws, which she initiated right before
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Speaker 2: a couple of very important by elections, and here we
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Speaker 2: have the former police commissioner giving her some pretty good advice.
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Speaker 2: I would have thought he's a solution. You get three cracks.
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Speaker 2: If you still offend after that, that's it, no more bail.
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Speaker 2: But the government just said, haven't got the money, haven't
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Speaker 2: got the prison beds, can't do it.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't carry a great deal of water
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Speaker 4: for pattern after what happened during COVID. But it was
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Speaker 4: said by many people who had knowledge within the force.
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Speaker 4: When he was effectively sacked, well, he was told that
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Speaker 4: his contract would be renewed. In any resigned there had
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Speaker 4: been tensioned between him and the government going back to COVID,
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Speaker 4: and obviously as recently as weeks before the government moved
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Speaker 4: him on and they saw him, presumably as a difficult person,
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Speaker 4: and so.
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Speaker 1: Off you go.
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Speaker 4: I mean, if you try to point out something that
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Speaker 4: seems pretty straightforward that you know you shouldn't be able
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Speaker 4: to break your bail conditions more than three times before
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Speaker 4: you don't get bailing in and next thing you don't
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Speaker 4: have your contract renewed, you can understand by Patton might
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Speaker 4: have been a little bit peeved by that. Indeed, let's
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Speaker 4: go to the front of the Odds tomorrow where it's
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Speaker 4: undaluted troon ball, torpedos, traffic talks. I mean, you thought
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Speaker 4: the alliteration was good on the front of the Herald
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Speaker 4: Son James who we got a set five times quickly belt.
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Speaker 1: Here on the front of the Odds.
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Speaker 4: Australia's hopes of securing an exemption from Donald Trump stealing
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Speaker 4: aluminium tariffs this week have been dealt a blow after
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Speaker 4: the US President lash Malcolm Turnbull, who won a carve
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Speaker 4: out from mister Trump's first term tariffs, as a weak
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Speaker 4: and ineffective leader. And of course this all followed Turnbull
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Speaker 4: getting involved making comments to the media about the tariff situation.
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Speaker 4: Turnbull said, where Trump is chaotic, g will be consistent.
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Speaker 4: Where Trump is rude and abusive, he will be respectful.
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Speaker 4: Where Trump is erratic, he will be consistent.
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Speaker 2: Is that what Jijinging was being when he had those
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Speaker 2: warships go by Sydney live firing with eligent flights?
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Speaker 1: So that was respectful?
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Speaker 4: Was it?
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Speaker 2: What an idiot?
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Speaker 1: I can't get over? Like, what the hell are you doing? Malcolm?
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Speaker 4: If you wanted to ensure that we got these tariffs,
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Speaker 4: that's a pretty damn good way of doing it by
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Speaker 4: enraging Gon Truple.
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Speaker 1: How dumb do you get?
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Speaker 2: Not much dumber? Is the answer to that is not
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Speaker 2: much dumber. We're going to go to a break when
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Speaker 2: we come back. And Dave Hughes, the Aussie comedian, is
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Speaker 2: applauded for kicking people out of his most recent show,
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Speaker 2: You will let me see what happened in just a
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Speaker 2: moment Welcome back. Comedian Dave Hughes was performing in Adelaide
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Speaker 2: at the weekend, but cadib it didn't quite go according
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Speaker 2: to plan.
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Speaker 1: No it didn't. I can tell you.
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Speaker 4: Dave Hughes is a good bloke and he was just
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Speaker 4: trying to predict his audience here. We've all been to
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Speaker 4: a live show before, particularly comedy, and there's someone in
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Speaker 4: the audience who just has to interject and interrupt and
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Speaker 4: make a dick of themselves. It goes on all the time.
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Speaker 4: It's so bloody annoying. Would you just shut up and
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Speaker 4: let me enjoy the show?
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Speaker 1: Well, it happened to mister Hughes.
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Speaker 4: He wasn't having a Barret.
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Speaker 11: Dave Hughes was forced to stop his show at the
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Speaker 11: Woodcroft Hotel on Friday nights because, he says one woman
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Speaker 11: wouldn't stop talking. After several warnings, the woman and her
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Speaker 11: two friends were escorted out by security, one even giving
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Speaker 11: us the hug before being shown the door.
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Speaker 4: I suspect she's apologizing for the drunken behavior, presumably of
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Speaker 4: the person she was with. But you know what, I
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Speaker 4: had a moment like this myself on the weekend. I
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Speaker 4: was on a train to Woole Gong. Two things happened.
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Speaker 4: One bloke lit up a cigarette on the train. I mean,
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Speaker 4: who does that?
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Speaker 1: Who likes up a cigarette on the train.
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Speaker 4: But the other was I was in a quiet carriage
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Speaker 4: and these kids got on and started having a loud conversation.
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Speaker 1: It's written on the door, quiet carriage.
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Speaker 4: I went into the quiet carriage because I wanted to
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Speaker 4: sit in silence, and these kids start carrying on.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to.
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Speaker 4: Turn around and go Dave fuse on them, but I thought, no,
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Speaker 4: I don't want my face caved in. At least he's
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Speaker 4: on stage and he can avoid that kind of thing.
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Speaker 4: But do people not understand the contract of a civil society?
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Speaker 4: Have some respect for the people around you, for Heaven's sake.
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Speaker 6: Well, in defense of those kids, I didn't know we
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Speaker 6: had quiet carriages.
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Speaker 3: It's a Richtralian door European thing. I'm well aware of that.
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Speaker 3: But here in Australia.
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Speaker 5: We're not a quiet cult.
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Speaker 3: Chest sack it up, butter caup before we leave each
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Speaker 3: to night.
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Speaker 6: Check out this bulldog by the name of Chowder. He
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Speaker 6: has wrapped up one point six million TikTok followers.
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Speaker 3: For his sweet skills.
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Speaker 6: He started skateboarding when he was just two years old.
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Speaker 3: He's now nine, and check.
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Speaker 5: This guy out.
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Speaker 6: He literally he steers the board, he rounds corners, he's
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Speaker 6: leaning into it, so.
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Speaker 3: He makes it through smoothly. This is utterly incredible.
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Speaker 6: His owner, Jammy Delverdang, told the press that he literally
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Speaker 6: behaves like a skater too. She says, if he has
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Speaker 6: a bad run, he has a temperature for him and
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Speaker 6: will flip the board over and be growling at it,
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Speaker 6: just like skaters do.
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Speaker 3: I mean, how cute is that?
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Speaker 2: When I don't like it, he should be wearing a helmet.
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Speaker 2: We've got coming up as the Reader Penny Show. Good Night,