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Two Percent A Podcast About Doing Things The Hard Way From Michael Easter · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but when I watch TV,
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Speaker 1: Just keep on exploring. Hey, how's it going there? Party
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Speaker 1: animal up north? Oh man, it is it is going.
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Speaker 1: How's everything in that big city? How's everything up there
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Speaker 1: in that big city? I hear a lot of you
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Speaker 1: people are moving down here, which is okay with me.
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Speaker 2: I you know what, I I'm not ready yet, but
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Speaker 2: I never know, you never know.
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Speaker 1: We still have to take you up on the camping. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's so funny. Yesterday I read an article where it
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Speaker 1: said that Charlotte says we're full, don't come down. I
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Speaker 1: mean it really did say that. I know Tammy wants
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Speaker 1: to move down down South, but we just have too
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Speaker 1: much going on. I get it. No, I get it. Man.
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Speaker 1: That'd be like me trying to remove me from the South. Here.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm from Montana. I ain't going back out
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Speaker 1: to Montana because I got too much going on here
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Speaker 1: in Carolina, too much, too much. You can't you can't
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Speaker 1: do it.
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Speaker 2: It's starting all over again.
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Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, not easy. But anyway, you have got twenty
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Speaker 1: today with Mike Leaster. So here he is. Michael. This
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Speaker 1: is pretty much exactly what you're talking about on this
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Speaker 1: podcast two percent. I mean, you know, our everyday habits,
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Speaker 1: are everyday rituals and the things that we just can't
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Speaker 1: get rid of in our lives.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. And you're from Montana.
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Speaker 1: Originally, I am where are you from?
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Speaker 2: I grew up in northern Utah and now I live now,
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Speaker 2: I live in Las Vegas.
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Speaker 1: Well, you still get it, though. There's just something there's
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Speaker 1: a lifestyle out west that is so different than what
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Speaker 1: we do here on the East Coast. What is it
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Speaker 1: that you're feeling out there? Is it the sense of
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Speaker 1: freedom or the openness of the universe?
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Speaker 2: I think so, there's something about the West that just
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Speaker 2: pulls me in, and it's the open spaces, it's the
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Speaker 2: pace is a little slower. Although I did live on
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Speaker 2: the East Coast for about fifteen years, and I did
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Speaker 2: love it out there. But yeah, it's good to kind
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Speaker 2: of have that back and forth.
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Speaker 1: You do so much inside this podcast, and I'm so
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Speaker 1: proud of you because you've done your homework, and I
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Speaker 1: guess as a podcaster and as a broadcaster, I love
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Speaker 1: it when people really dig in and start hitting subjects
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Speaker 1: that are about the listener, and you do that. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I mean for you to do. Are you a former
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Speaker 1: radio guy? How did you even get into the art
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Speaker 1: of people?
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Speaker 2: I'm a former Well, I'm still a journalist. I worked
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Speaker 2: in magazines for about fifteen years. Then I was a
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Speaker 2: professor at UNLV for a while, and then I started
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Speaker 2: doing books and just the books pulled me on a
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Speaker 2: lot of podcasts and enough people said hey, you need
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Speaker 2: to start your own that I finally listened. You know,
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Speaker 2: once you hear something one hundred times, you go, maybe
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Speaker 2: I should do that. And here we are.
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Speaker 1: Well I'm not shocked, Michael. And the reason why because
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Speaker 1: if you do the research on podcasting, it didn't start
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Speaker 1: with the comedians or the musicians. This isn't my space.
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Speaker 1: It was actually started by the authors, the writers, the
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Speaker 1: people that did research. So to see you make this transition,
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Speaker 1: of course, I mean, it's it's such a natural transition
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Speaker 1: for someone like yourself to grow into.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been. It's been really fun. I mean for me,
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Speaker 2: the reason I got into the work I do is like,
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Speaker 2: I like talking to people who are interesting, who know
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Speaker 2: the research, and we bring on people from all walks
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Speaker 2: of life we have. You know, we brought on a
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Speaker 2: Hollywood screenwriter who got fit at in his sixties. He
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Speaker 2: was totally out of shape, and at sixty he said, hey,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to figure this out, and he absolutely did.
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Speaker 2: We bring on researchers who are able to really take
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Speaker 2: the complicated topics they work in and study, but bring
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Speaker 2: them down to a level where the listener can go,
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Speaker 2: all right, I know exactly how to use this in
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Speaker 2: my life, and I know the data says it's going
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Speaker 2: to improve my life.
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Speaker 1: So all right, we got to talk about that guy
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Speaker 1: from Hollywood. And the reason why is because you know,
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Speaker 1: it's one of those things that we all deal with
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Speaker 1: as we as we get into our later years, is
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Speaker 1: that you know, the twenty five year olds are all
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Speaker 1: pissed off because they think they're getting old. And I
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Speaker 1: became a third degree black belt in martial arts sixty
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Speaker 1: is when I finally got my body in shape. I
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Speaker 1: could totally relate with that story, because I don't know
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Speaker 1: what happens at the age of sixty where all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden you start taking a different look. What did
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Speaker 1: you get in your study about this guy putting that
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Speaker 1: body back in shape.
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I'll say he had a moment.
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Speaker 2: I think people need a moment where they go, oh, yep,
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Speaker 2: something has gone wrong. I'm out of shape. For him,
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Speaker 2: he was playing tennis in Needy to Oork. He lives
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Speaker 2: in the city, and he couldn't finish the game and
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Speaker 2: he almost fainted. And so we went and talked to
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Speaker 2: his doctor and he said, you know, I feel like
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Speaker 2: I need another blood pressure medication. The doctor said, you
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Speaker 2: need to get yourself off of blood pressure medication. Yes,
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Speaker 2: And that sent him on a journey. And so I
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Speaker 2: do think that sometimes, you know, you kind of need
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Speaker 2: to hit the bottom in order to bounce back from it.
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Speaker 2: And then he started taking action. And it wasn't anything crazy.
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Speaker 2: It's not like he dove into these insane workouts and
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Speaker 2: went to the gym. He did a couple small things
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Speaker 2: and went back the next day, did a couple more
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Speaker 2: and I do think it's those tin steps. But what
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Speaker 2: underlies all change is that it's going to be uncomfortable
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Speaker 2: as you do it, and that resistance to discomfort we
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Speaker 2: all have it often makes us quit before the magic happens.
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Speaker 2: So in that process it's going to be hard. You
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Speaker 2: have to embrace that. It is hard, that you don't
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Speaker 2: want to do it, But eventually you kind of hit
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Speaker 2: a turning point where you realize, oh, something is happening,
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Speaker 2: and those long term payoffs start to just manifest themselves,
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Speaker 2: and that incentivizes more change. So this guy went from
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Speaker 2: not being able to lift forty pounds to lift to
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Speaker 2: doing this exercise called a deadlift where he was where
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Speaker 2: he can do three hundred pounds. Now, I mean, it's unbelievable. Wow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Mine came because I knew I had interviews to
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Speaker 1: do inside the studio and doctor Small wouldn't let me
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Speaker 1: leave his office because my blood pressure was too high.
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Speaker 1: He says, I don't care what you've got planned for
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Speaker 1: the day, you ate leaving until that pressure gets down.
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Speaker 1: And that was an eye opener. It was time to
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Speaker 1: make a change, and for him to have the courage
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Speaker 1: or the balls to do that, I thought that was it,
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Speaker 1: and I give him credit for that, and he just
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Speaker 1: kind of rolls his eyes when I tell him that,
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Speaker 1: and he say, dude, I wish you for once that
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Speaker 1: you would say we did this together as a collaboration.
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Speaker 1: What have you learned in your studies when it comes
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Speaker 1: to that, when somebody has that life changing movement, everybody's
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Speaker 1: got to take credit somewhere along the line, or do they?
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Speaker 2: I think ultimately it comes down to the individual. At
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Speaker 2: the end of the day. You know, there's people have
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Speaker 2: been giving out information for all of time. That's what
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Speaker 2: I do on my podcast. It's I try and make
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Speaker 2: it as practical as possible. I try and make it
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Speaker 2: as actionable as possible. I try and make it so
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Speaker 2: improve the likelihood that someone will actually do it. But
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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, that person has to
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Speaker 2: actually get up and do something that is hard. The
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Speaker 2: first step is always the hardest, but once you take
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Speaker 2: the first one, the second one's a little easier, and
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Speaker 2: so on and so on, until you're at the million
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Speaker 2: step and you look back and you go, wow, I've
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Speaker 2: come a long way.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Do you really believe in that philosophy of doing
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Speaker 1: things the hard way? Could be the better way.
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Speaker 2: Well, I will say that really anything that improves health outcomes,
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Speaker 2: there's going to be some level of discomfort to it,
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Speaker 2: and we're talking sort of long term health outcomes. Yes,
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Speaker 2: people can take a pill and that's easy. But at
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Speaker 2: the same time, one even if you do take the pill,
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Speaker 2: the pills are going to work better if you add
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Speaker 2: in some physical activity, if you change up your diet,
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Speaker 2: if you work on some stress management. Those are hard
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Speaker 2: and we do know from all the data that what
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Speaker 2: researchers call lifestyle interventions, which is the exercise, which is
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Speaker 2: the healthy eating, the stress management, those tend to work
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Speaker 2: better in the long run. But we resist them because
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Speaker 2: they do take effort and work. But once you put
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Speaker 2: in network, it just changes things. And I think most
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Speaker 2: importantly it changes people's mindset. It makes them realize that
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Speaker 2: they're more capable than they realize, that they can just
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Speaker 2: do things. And so those small changes they ripple out
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Speaker 2: into different areas of life and that starts to improve
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Speaker 2: things fundamentally across the board and really incites massive changes.
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Speaker 2: Takes people places that I had no idea they would
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Speaker 2: end up, but they look back and go, wow, that
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Speaker 2: was awesome.
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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Michael Easter coming
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Speaker 1: up next the name of his podcast two percent. We
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Speaker 1: are back with journalist Michael Easter. So what do you do,
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Speaker 1: Michael in those situations where people come up to you
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Speaker 1: because they feel safe to be around you, and they
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Speaker 1: open up with you saying, Hey, look, I'm gonna make
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Speaker 1: this change in my life. I'm not going to be
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Speaker 1: that innocent bystander on the sidelines if you told me
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Speaker 1: you're gonna make that change. And something tells me inside
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Speaker 1: my heart you're the same way, Michael, and they kind
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Speaker 1: of fall off the wagon. You're gonna You're gonna bump
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Speaker 1: into them and say, by the way, how's that going is?
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Speaker 1: Do I have you wrong? Because I feel this inside
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Speaker 1: your podcast that you really do give a crap about us.
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Speaker 2: I definitely give a crap about that. I mean, that's
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Speaker 2: why I got into this work. I noticed that, you know,
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Speaker 2: when I worked in magazines, I'd write these articles and
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Speaker 2: they go out into a void and you don't really
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Speaker 2: know what's happening. But then I started getting feedback from
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Speaker 2: people say, Hey, this thing that you wrote about I
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Speaker 2: did it it and it literally saved my life. I
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Speaker 2: lost fifty pounds or whatever it might be. And that's
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Speaker 2: happened a lot with the podcast as well. And I
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Speaker 2: do think people are going to have moments where, you know,
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Speaker 2: they start something, when they call it kind of fall
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Speaker 2: off a little bit. And I think we, unfortunately the
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Speaker 2: brain is sort of biased to go, oh, well I
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Speaker 2: did one thing wrong, Well forget it all. It's like
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Speaker 2: you gotta resist that. You just can. Taking the next
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Speaker 2: step is very simple. It just takes a little bit
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Speaker 2: of action, you'll be right back on the track. So
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Speaker 2: for me, it's incentivizing people and reminding people that you know,
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Speaker 2: the path is long, it's winding. Occasionally you're going to
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Speaker 2: take a rest. But just because you took a rest
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Speaker 2: or you got a little lost, doesn't mean you hike
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Speaker 2: all the way back home and go back to zero.
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Speaker 2: It's like, no, you can just keep you can just
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Speaker 2: keep pushing on at any minute and you're going to
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Speaker 2: be better off.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that we have kind of developed into.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know if this is because of the
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Speaker 1: COVID lockdown. I think it goes before that, but there's
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Speaker 1: there's been and hopefully this hasn't upset a lot of listeners,
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Speaker 1: but let's let's let's bring out the truth, and that
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Speaker 1: is there's a lot of at home moms in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the day becoming wine alcoholics, and they're also
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Speaker 1: But I have this huge fear though that the wine
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Speaker 1: is being set aside because I see the numbers on sales.
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Speaker 1: They're going down. But are they going to the THC
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Speaker 1: in fuse drinks? And is that just as dangerous as
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Speaker 1: shoving alcohol into our veins?
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Speaker 2: I mean, I live in Las Vegas, Nevada legalized marijuana.
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Speaker 2: I do think you're saying when we look at to
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Speaker 2: your point, when we look at the data on alcohol
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Speaker 2: going down while marijuana is going up, yep. I think
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Speaker 2: for in all cases it tends to be I want
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Speaker 2: to escape my situation. Yeah, I want something to change
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Speaker 2: in my situation, and the drink or the THCHC that
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Speaker 2: is the easy, easy, effortless path that changes things immediately. Now,
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Speaker 2: the problem with that, though, is that it leads to
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Speaker 2: long term problems. Whereas I argue in two percent, everything
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Speaker 2: that changes us in a good way in the long run,
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Speaker 2: it's going to be a little bit hard in the
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Speaker 2: short term. So you need to almost flip that. It's
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Speaker 2: like the alcohol is Oh, that's relief in the short
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Speaker 2: term problems in the long run hard In the long run,
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Speaker 2: you need to go, Okay, I need to embrace discomfort,
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Speaker 2: get out of the house, and do something, change something
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Speaker 2: about my situation, and then I'll get these much greater
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Speaker 2: long term benefits.
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Speaker 1: See, and everything that you're sharing is everything that I
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Speaker 1: would love to share with a lot of these these
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Speaker 1: up and coming couples that are just getting married and
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Speaker 1: they're struggling at one and a half to two years.
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Speaker 1: And I just think that everything that you're seeing in
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Speaker 1: this podcast they can incorporate into their personal challenges in
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Speaker 1: their life. Now, don't make it just about you. That
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Speaker 1: this is really like a business and you've got to
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Speaker 1: make your foundation of love work for you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And I mean the two percent name comes
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Speaker 2: from a staff that found two percent of people take
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Speaker 2: the stairs when there's also an escalator available, And so
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Speaker 2: everyone knows that taking the stairs is going to be
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Speaker 2: better for them, but we resist that short term discomfort
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Speaker 2: even though we know it'll get us these long term benefits.
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Speaker 2: And I think that definitely applies to the relationship realm,
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Speaker 2: where people will not have the conversations they need to
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Speaker 2: they'll kind of avoid things that are going on, and
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Speaker 2: I think you need to face those things because that's
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Speaker 2: ultimately how people grow this is by going through a
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Speaker 2: little bit of hardship, having some uncomfortable moments. But on
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Speaker 2: the other side of that and the research all bears
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Speaker 2: this out, that's where the big benefits lie. And we
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Speaker 2: do have a podcast with a relationship expert who verified
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Speaker 2: all this and gave people a lot of really practical
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Speaker 2: advice for how to use it in their lives. See.
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Speaker 1: And that's why I like your podcast, because you really
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Speaker 1: do give us the real people. This isn't going to
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Speaker 1: chat GPT or GROC and I'm sitting there and I'm
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Speaker 1: relying on this information. I mean, you really do do
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Speaker 1: your homework and you bring in the professionals, which makes
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Speaker 1: me sit there and just go, I can breathe. He
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Speaker 1: got somebody in here that's really got some information that
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Speaker 1: I can buy into.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think one thing we try to do
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Speaker 2: is like, look, there's a lot of experts out there,
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Speaker 2: but one of the problems is that many experts are
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Speaker 2: not great at saying, Okay, here's how you actually use
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Speaker 2: this in their life. Theory. It's all numbers and data.
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Speaker 2: We really vet people to go, Okay, this person has
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Speaker 2: really done the work and a lab in the real world,
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Speaker 2: whatever it is. But they also know how to bring
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Speaker 2: it down and say, hey, you listening, here's exactly what
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Speaker 2: you need to do once this podcast is over.
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Speaker 1: Are we becoming the generation that you know because we
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Speaker 1: always joke around about the cat lady or the guy
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Speaker 1: that's got too many dogs? But I just feel like
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Speaker 1: that we're becoming such individuals right now that we're getting
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Speaker 1: enough companionship from I love my dog, don't get me wrong,
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Speaker 1: But am I keeping myself away from humans because of
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Speaker 1: that relationship with a dog?
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Speaker 2: I think that I'm a dog person as well. We
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Speaker 2: have two dogs, soon to be three. Here's what I'll
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Speaker 2: say is I do think that a lot of human
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Speaker 2: interaction has been almost engineered out of life by technology.
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Speaker 2: So I'll just start to fire off examples. If you
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Speaker 2: need to bank today, you do it on your phone.
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Speaker 2: You're on your computer. You no longer go into the
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Speaker 2: bank and interact with the teller. If you need to
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Speaker 2: order fast food, there are plenty have fast food places
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Speaker 2: now that just have a screen you tap and you
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Speaker 2: don't interact with a human you can. There are literally
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Speaker 2: thousands of ways we've engineered these small human interactions out
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Speaker 2: of our lives, and it turns out the research all
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Speaker 2: shows that even these mild interactions like with the baristo,
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Speaker 2: with the bank teller, those actually really increase our happiness
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Speaker 2: and our sense of connection and belonging. So to me,
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Speaker 2: the answer is pretty simple. You need to get out
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Speaker 2: in the real world. The screens. Being able to do
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Speaker 2: everything online, that's very convenient. I'm not saying never do that,
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Speaker 2: but I am saying get out in the real world
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Speaker 2: sometimes and go do some stuff where you have you're
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Speaker 2: forced to interact with people, because that's how we learn,
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Speaker 2: that's how we build community, and that's how we feel
14:41
Speaker 2: better day today.
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Speaker 1: I am five hundred percent behind you because during the
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Speaker 1: lockdown in twenty twenty, I mean, it's it's in my
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Speaker 1: daily writing. There's a living proof there where I said, God,
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Speaker 1: I need some help, I need, I need, I need,
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Speaker 1: and you don't ready planted me in a fricking grocery
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Speaker 1: store a part time job. If that has not been
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Speaker 1: a game changer beatles moment for me, because you're right,
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Speaker 1: that interaction is so valuable to your soul.
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Speaker 2: It's so valuable. I mean, I did a really long
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Speaker 2: hike through southern Utah last spring, and it required a
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Speaker 2: lot of hitch hiking into towns to resupply. I was
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Speaker 2: with one of my best friends, and you know, at first,
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Speaker 2: I'm going hitch hiking. Oh my gosh, this is going
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Speaker 2: to be terrible. But you get in the car with
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Speaker 2: these people and the nicest people ever you meet them.
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Speaker 2: I still keep in touch with a lot of those people,
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Speaker 2: and it's really just getting out in the world and
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Speaker 2: just talking to people. And you know, there's so much
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Speaker 2: in media now that makes us think that the world
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Speaker 2: is scary, everyone hates each other. Get out in the world,
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Speaker 2: and I guarantee you'll find that it's not the case.
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Speaker 2: The vast majority of people are extremely kind, they're helpful,
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Speaker 2: they're willing to chat, and it is a good deal
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Speaker 2: for everyone involved.
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Speaker 1: We are in this generation now to where you know,
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Speaker 1: we kind of make fun of the grumpy old man.
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Speaker 1: We see it in sitcoms and movies, and you know,
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Speaker 1: and it's one of those things where it's like, I
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Speaker 1: don't think that they're in touch with the reality. Now
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Speaker 1: I see a lot of grumpy old twenty one year olds,
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Speaker 1: why is this? Is it because our habits are not
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Speaker 1: being met? What's pissing us off? Because I mean, in
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Speaker 1: you're two percent, you had to have come across something
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Speaker 1: that says this is not looking good. Because if they
16:15
Speaker 1: feel this way at twenty one, what the hell are
16:18
Speaker 1: they going to be like at forty one.
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of what is driving that comes
16:23
Speaker 2: down to the amount of time that young people spend
16:25
Speaker 2: on screens. So the average person today spends more than
16:30
Speaker 2: twelve hours engaged with digital media. That's from cell phones,
16:34
Speaker 2: that's from televisions, whatever. And what tends to pop up
16:38
Speaker 2: on screens tends to be negative, right, that's negativity. It
16:41
Speaker 2: tends to draw eyeballs. And if you're only sitting behind
16:45
Speaker 2: that screen and you're seeing information that's mostly negative, I
16:48
Speaker 2: think it can lead people to think that the world
16:51
Speaker 2: is worse than it is. It can make them grumpy,
16:54
Speaker 2: it can decrease their outlook on life, and that's not
16:58
Speaker 2: a good thing. It's really you know, we need to
17:01
Speaker 2: set down. I'm not saying all screens are bad, they're great,
17:04
Speaker 2: but get out in the real world and find some
17:06
Speaker 2: evidence whether that is true or not. Because if you're
17:09
Speaker 2: just taking in this message. No, you need to go
17:11
Speaker 2: find evidence. Is this true.
17:13
Speaker 1: I just challenge people to go to dictionary dot com
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Speaker 1: and learn how to freaking spell again. That's all I want.
17:17
Speaker 1: I just want them to concert their energy into something
17:20
Speaker 1: that's going to challenge their imagination, and spelling words correctly
17:23
Speaker 1: should be part of that daily plan.
17:26
Speaker 2: Well. As a writer, I can highly highly back that point.
17:30
Speaker 1: Yes, I loved what you did with Melissa Urban in
17:34
Speaker 1: the way that you talk about food addiction because now
17:36
Speaker 1: now my wife is on Ozimpic because of diabetes. And
17:40
Speaker 1: the thing is is that it woke my ass up
17:42
Speaker 1: because it was like, I know, I have a food
17:44
Speaker 1: addiction and I don't want to do the ozimpic trip.
17:47
Speaker 1: So I love the way that Melissa gets on there
17:49
Speaker 1: and she really does confront us as listeners, going, this
17:52
Speaker 1: is going to be up to you. You've got to
17:54
Speaker 1: be able to take that step. But remember habit is
17:57
Speaker 1: always going to shine brighter.
17:59
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think we've really overlooked the psychology of eating
18:03
Speaker 2: in the sense that people eat for reasons well beyond hunger.
18:07
Speaker 2: You know, food is an escape from whatever our emotion
18:10
Speaker 2: is going on, whatever's going on in our lives and
18:12
Speaker 2: you need to do some of that work to realize. Oh,
18:16
Speaker 2: I am using food as a tool to sort of escape.
18:19
Speaker 2: And I think Melissa did a really good job unpacking that.
18:23
Speaker 2: She founded a method of eating called Whole thirty and
18:28
Speaker 2: she's got millions of data points where she shows that, Hey,
18:31
Speaker 2: if you start to unpack those things, like some real
18:34
Speaker 2: things can change, not just in your weight and how
18:37
Speaker 2: you feel day to day, but also in your mindset
18:39
Speaker 2: and sort of asking bigger questions about Okay, how can
18:42
Speaker 2: I improve day to day across the board. Yeah, she's wonderful. Wow.
18:46
Speaker 1: I just did a study today the I'm going to
18:48
Speaker 1: put up on iHeartRadio that's based on do people of
18:50
Speaker 1: retail are they mentally I don't know what's the right
18:54
Speaker 1: word here. I don't want to step on eight shoes?
18:57
Speaker 1: Do they have issues? Mental issues? And that study said
18:59
Speaker 1: as yes. And it's because the bosses want more and more,
19:03
Speaker 1: more and more, more and more and more. And you're
19:05
Speaker 1: saying right here inside your podcast getting more by doing less.
19:09
Speaker 1: My god, I want to work on your team because
19:11
Speaker 1: you totally get it.
19:13
Speaker 2: Yeah. We had an episode with a researcher whose name
19:16
Speaker 2: is Lighty Klotts, and he did this study that was
19:20
Speaker 2: published in a journal Nature, which is like the best
19:23
Speaker 2: journal you can publish in, and he found that humans,
19:26
Speaker 2: when we want to make an improvement or solve a problem,
19:29
Speaker 2: we default to adding more and more and more, do more,
19:32
Speaker 2: buy more, we need more resources. We totally overlook subtraction
19:37
Speaker 2: as a means to improving as a means to solving
19:40
Speaker 2: a problem, and we're leaving all half the options off
19:44
Speaker 2: the table. And oftentimes it's doing less subtracting that tends
19:48
Speaker 2: to move the ball way farther downfield because it frees
19:51
Speaker 2: up energy. It allows us to focus on what actually matters.
19:54
Speaker 2: I think that's an episode that anyone who owns a business,
19:59
Speaker 2: anyone who has to deal with other people, anyone who's
20:01
Speaker 2: trying to manage their money or improve their life, that's
20:03
Speaker 2: one they should listen to.
20:05
Speaker 1: What's the one thing that you've learned from doing all
20:07
Speaker 1: of this? Because I mean, something is giving you the
20:09
Speaker 1: fuel for your footsteps and your path isn't just an imprint,
20:13
Speaker 1: I mean you're making an impact.
20:16
Speaker 2: What's the one thing I've learned. I've learned that you
20:19
Speaker 2: need to be willing to embrace discomfort to accept that
20:24
Speaker 2: change is going to be hard, but it's in that
20:27
Speaker 2: process where you grow as a human and become a
20:30
Speaker 2: better person. So people do not learn things, they do
20:33
Speaker 2: not improve as much when times are perfect and when
20:35
Speaker 2: times are easy. It is in the hardship that people
20:39
Speaker 2: tend to become better versions of themselves. They get healthier,
20:43
Speaker 2: their mindset improves, and so I think society is set
20:46
Speaker 2: up in such a way where we often want things
20:49
Speaker 2: easy all the time, comfortable all the time, and that
20:51
Speaker 2: is at odds with what actually improves us. And so
20:53
Speaker 2: the point of the podcast is to really bring that
20:56
Speaker 2: down and say, Okay, well, here's how you actually use
20:58
Speaker 2: this in your life and how you can use it
21:00
Speaker 2: to improve My.
21:01
Speaker 1: Dad would love you, and the reason why he's he would.
21:03
Speaker 1: He would look at me and say, here's the thing, dude,
21:06
Speaker 1: he knows a lot, but he's not treating it like
21:08
Speaker 1: he's a know it all. And that's I swear to God, Michael,
21:10
Speaker 1: that's the reason why I'm listening to you, because you
21:12
Speaker 1: don't treat it like you are and know it all.
21:14
Speaker 1: You're saying, hey, by the way, have you thought about this?
21:17
Speaker 1: And that says a lot about your heart.
21:19
Speaker 2: Michael well, we try. I mean, you know, things change,
21:24
Speaker 2: science changes, So I think having an open mind and
21:27
Speaker 2: being empathetic because I'm not saying any of this is easy. Yeah,
21:30
Speaker 2: but what I am saying is that it'll be really
21:33
Speaker 2: helpful and it will improve your life. And I'm you know,
21:35
Speaker 2: I'm the type of person where, hey, if you'll walk
21:39
Speaker 2: into the fire, I'll be right there on your right side.
21:41
Speaker 2: Let's let's go, let's do this.
21:44
Speaker 1: I got it where your heart is. You got to
21:46
Speaker 1: come back to this show anytime in the future, Michael.
21:47
Speaker 1: The door is always going to be open for you.
21:50
Speaker 2: Awesome. Well, I appreciate it. There. I really enjoyed the conversation.
21:53
Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?
21:54
Speaker 2: Okay, Black Lives