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Wired To Hunt Podcast #179: Tim Woods On Hunting The Whitetail Rut and Tracking Wounded Deer · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one seventy nine,
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  Speaker 1: and today we're joined by Tim Woods, a white tail outfitter,
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  Speaker 1: a land specialist for white tail properties, a blood tracking
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  Speaker 1: dog handler, and an all around super serious deer hunter.
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  Speaker 1: And we're discussing the white tail rut, advice for tracking
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  Speaker 1: wounded deer, and much more. All Right, welcome to another
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  Speaker 1: episode of the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you
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  Speaker 1: by Sick of Gear and Tay the show. We are
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  Speaker 1: joined by Tim Woods. He's an outfitter for hunt Master's Lodge.
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  Speaker 1: He's a land specialist for white tail properties. He's filmed
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  Speaker 1: in the past for Dreary Outdoors and now white Tail Edge,
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  Speaker 1: and he is just an all around very serious white
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  Speaker 1: tail hunter. And today we're gonna be catching up with
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  Speaker 1: Tim to discuss all things related to hunting, the white
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  Speaker 1: tail rut and tracking wounded deer. Because he's got a
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  Speaker 1: couple I believe, blood tracking dogs. He takes all across
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  Speaker 1: this area helping people recover deer. So I think he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna have some interesting things to share on that front
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  Speaker 1: as well. But before all that, we need to take
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  Speaker 1: a few minutes here for our weekly pregame show with
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  Speaker 1: Yours truly and Dan Johnson of the Nine Ginger Chronicles.
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  Speaker 1: So how are you? Man? I wonder how many people
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  Speaker 1: are actually gonna type the Nine Ginger Chronicles into a
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  Speaker 1: search You're pretty soon? I hope a lot, And I
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  Speaker 1: hope your face pops up. I wouldn't doubt it. What's
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  Speaker 1: the new? Dude? Dude? Who cares? Wait? Look before, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to talk about me right now. I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about you. What's holy Field? Holy Field? Holy Field?
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  Speaker 1: Holy Field? What's up? Alright? The holy Field updates? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Shorten and short and bitter sweet. Um. So my plan
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  Speaker 1: was to start hunting him on Tuesday. Tuesday has huge
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  Speaker 1: cold front come through. Temperatures were like twentyres cooler than
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  Speaker 1: they were over the weekend, but had pretty heavy rains
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  Speaker 1: and heavy wind. So I spent the day debating whether
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  Speaker 1: or not I should still go out, and in the
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  Speaker 1: end I decided, you know what, I'm gonna go for
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  Speaker 1: it because I hope that that wind's gonna die down.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit, and the the rain dies down a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. It couldn't have been really good. And I
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  Speaker 1: had what I thought was a safe place to hunt
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  Speaker 1: in his general area. So I headed in there, got
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  Speaker 1: up in the tree, and within like twenty minutes, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, you know what, this is way worse than
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  Speaker 1: the forecast said. The gusts were really really strong. It
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  Speaker 1: had to be gusts maybe, And I noticed that it
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  Speaker 1: was starting to get dangerously close to swirling towards a
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  Speaker 1: bad place. Um. And I just sat there debating for
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  Speaker 1: it twenty minutes and just decided to know it is
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  Speaker 1: not worth screwing things up on a night like this
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  Speaker 1: for the future. So I pulled everything out and snuck
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  Speaker 1: back out and headed out for the night. So that
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  Speaker 1: was night number one. Didn't get to hunt at all. Really, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Night number two was tonight. The winds were supposed to
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  Speaker 1: die down again, still nice and cool, um. So I
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  Speaker 1: headed in and with the wind direction, we had the
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  Speaker 1: best spot I could hunt. The safest place I could
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  Speaker 1: hunt in this general area was my red neck um
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  Speaker 1: box blind. This this elevated box blind. So I thought,
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  Speaker 1: all right, I don't hunt that blind, So I sneak
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  Speaker 1: in there, I climb in and as soon as I
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  Speaker 1: climb in, I hear something and I look up at
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  Speaker 1: the ceiling and all of a sudden, I see there's
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  Speaker 1: bees all over the place inside of this blind. So
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  Speaker 1: I panic and I scurry out of that um. And
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  Speaker 1: then I'm like, well, what in the heck am I
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  Speaker 1: going to do tonight? Because that was like the one
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  Speaker 1: place I thought I could safely hunt UM. And I
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  Speaker 1: you know, I had all my stuff with me for
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  Speaker 1: a box blind hunt, so I had a tripod for
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  Speaker 1: my camera. I didn't have a tree stand harness or anything,
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  Speaker 1: so I had to go all the way back to
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  Speaker 1: my house and swap out my gear get all the
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  Speaker 1: stuff for a tree stand hunt. And then I had
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  Speaker 1: to wait like an hour and a half before the
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  Speaker 1: wind was supposed to shift a little bit, which I
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  Speaker 1: thought then would allow me to hunt one of my
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  Speaker 1: tree stands. The wind did sort of shift. UM, So
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  Speaker 1: I snuck in there and just got in there late,
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  Speaker 1: got into one of my favorite stands, the stand that
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  Speaker 1: I that I've had these multiple shot opportunities that Holy
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  Speaker 1: Field for in the past. But long story short, I
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  Speaker 1: did not see him. Um. I saw some doze, saw
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  Speaker 1: a couple of year and a half old bucks. I
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  Speaker 1: saw one two and a half year old buck that's
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  Speaker 1: been all over the place and he chased some does
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  Speaker 1: out in the field. Um, and that was it. It was.
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  Speaker 1: It was a pretty uneventful night compared to what I
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  Speaker 1: was expecting, given how good the conditions were. So kind
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  Speaker 1: of disappointing, but it is what it is. Uh, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's disappointing on a macro level or a micro level,
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  Speaker 1: but on a macro level, like I have a feeling
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  Speaker 1: that all these you know, all these little steps lead
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  Speaker 1: to lead to something. I agree, as long as I
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  Speaker 1: don't die. Oh man, is your next sponsor going to
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  Speaker 1: be like a cigarette company? No, I'm the exact opposite.
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  Speaker 1: I'm drinking some warm apple cider and it went down
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  Speaker 1: her own pipe. Wow, excuse me. This episode we listened
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  Speaker 1: to Mark Cough for five minutes. All right, hopefully that's it.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, to your point, hopefully this is just one step.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully I didn't um make too many mistakes. It was
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  Speaker 1: one of It was unfortunate that I had the issue
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  Speaker 1: yesterday and then tonight had to come in and out twice.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes when things are going wrong. All
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you get surprised with something going really well. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So I've got I've got some win directions that should
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  Speaker 1: allow me to hunt him at least again tomorrow, um
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  Speaker 1: and then maybe later in the week or on the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll be keeping after him. Hopefully things pick up
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  Speaker 1: here soon. But yeah, what about you. Last time we talked,
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  Speaker 1: you were saying that you were going to kill that
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  Speaker 1: October lull buck to prove everybody wrong to do it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I only got to hunt one day out of that
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  Speaker 1: whole quote unquote period of October. Little period, but um man,
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  Speaker 1: I was in the right spot. I'll tell you that.
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  Speaker 1: It just that the um the and I think I
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  Speaker 1: told you this in a in a text message or
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  Speaker 1: an email. Think of a triangle right with a flat
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  Speaker 1: part on the bottom and the point that goes straight up.
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  Speaker 1: So the point on the top was the is a
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  Speaker 1: betting area, okay, And then there's two trails that come
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  Speaker 1: out of the betting area. Then they go down different
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  Speaker 1: parts of the ridge. And I was set up on
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  Speaker 1: the right hand side, and we had one what looked
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  Speaker 1: like a shooter go down the left hand side, and
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  Speaker 1: then another buck that I couldn't tell what he was.
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  Speaker 1: Uh work work is you know. All I saw was
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  Speaker 1: the tips of the antlers. I couldn't tell if it
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  Speaker 1: was mature, and he was kind of in some real
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  Speaker 1: tall crp um tons of does. And then last night,
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  Speaker 1: to get out of the wind, I went back to
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  Speaker 1: a stand that I set earlier in the year. Um
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  Speaker 1: and dude again, money doze all over. UM heard grunting
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  Speaker 1: in the woods and it almost sounds like some light chasing,
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  Speaker 1: but I never did see the deer that was making
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  Speaker 1: that noise. And then as I'm just randomly glassing, I
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  Speaker 1: see some antlers pop up and down, and all I
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  Speaker 1: could see was the face of this buck and parts
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  Speaker 1: of his antlers, but not the whole head at one time.
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  Speaker 1: So and I couldn't hardly see the body at all
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  Speaker 1: because he was in some really thick stuff, but the
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  Speaker 1: face looked really, really old. He was about eight yards
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  Speaker 1: away and um, he was raking a tree. And then
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  Speaker 1: he dropped down behind me and then went into a
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  Speaker 1: corn field. And then by that time it was dark out,
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  Speaker 1: So I did I tried. I put myself in the
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  Speaker 1: best possible stands uh with the information that I had.
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  Speaker 1: Uh and uh you know, I didn't get it done,
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  Speaker 1: so I guess, uh, the October little does exist because
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  Speaker 1: I didn't kill it here. That's that's gotta be it.
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  Speaker 1: It's encouraging though that at least you were seeing some
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  Speaker 1: seeing some action. Man, I'll tell you what, this has
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  Speaker 1: been maybe my slowest start to a white tail season
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  Speaker 1: in recent memory. I still have not seen a shooter
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  Speaker 1: buck yet all year. Um, so that's hopefully unshamed soon. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you've only hunted in Michigan, right, uh and in
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  Speaker 1: Montana and Montana. Yeah, okay, so I'll take that back.
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  Speaker 1: I'll take that back. I saw one shooter while I
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  Speaker 1: was in Montana, way off from the distance. Okay. So obviously,
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  Speaker 1: in a way, this is still kind of early, and
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  Speaker 1: I think I, like I mentioned before, October of last
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  Speaker 1: year was the first time I had any daylight pictures
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  Speaker 1: of a shooter on camera. So obviously, depending on where
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  Speaker 1: your camera's at, that's an indicator of when these big
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  Speaker 1: boys and mature bucks are going to be on their feet. However, man,
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  Speaker 1: I got a big, big buck on trail camera consistently
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  Speaker 1: right now, about two hours after sunset, after dark coming through.
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  Speaker 1: So my my thought is and that's what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: One particul kular trail camera and uh and I sent
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  Speaker 1: you the picture of him. Dude, he's uh, he's he's
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  Speaker 1: he's not big big, he's like big big, big, big big.
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  Speaker 1: And he's a main He's a main frame eight with
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  Speaker 1: a split G two. That's all he is, right. But
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  Speaker 1: he's just gigantic, big old body on him. I mean
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  Speaker 1: he's mature for sure. And uh um, I think that
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  Speaker 1: if everything goes like it did the past couple of years,
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  Speaker 1: like I have history with this area, and it's like
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  Speaker 1: I know what the bucks are gonna be doing, and
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  Speaker 1: I think that this buck is going to start showing
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  Speaker 1: up in daylight hours somewhere between the November one in
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  Speaker 1: November five time frame. So I'm gonna be in that
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  Speaker 1: area hopefully towards the end of that area is when
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  Speaker 1: my vacation starts that that time frame. But the other
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  Speaker 1: thing is I pulled another trail camera card before I
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  Speaker 1: went and hunted, uh last night, and man, I got
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  Speaker 1: it another and nothing gigantic in the Antler department. But
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  Speaker 1: what I think are two more four year old consistently
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  Speaker 1: on camera in daylight already. So yeah, So and it's
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  Speaker 1: in a standing cornfield. Can you get up there and
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  Speaker 1: hunt those guys sooner? I I, And this is where
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  Speaker 1: it sucks. I cannot hunt until let me check my
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  Speaker 1: while you're doing that. While you're doing that, this is
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  Speaker 1: this is just for the audience. This isn't for you. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But I just want everyone listening to know that I
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  Speaker 1: can be held accountable to my obligations because I did
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  Speaker 1: send Dan his babysitting check to guarantee him some hunting opportunities.
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  Speaker 1: So so now I'm going to take your words from
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  Speaker 1: last weekend. Dan, I'm gonna throw it back at you.
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  Speaker 1: No excuses, no excuses. You gotta hunt these bucks. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I will. I'm going to. Uh. I just hope
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  Speaker 1: that the between now and the next time that these
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  Speaker 1: bucks uh, that I get down there to hunt the um,
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  Speaker 1: the corn in that area hasn't been picked, because I
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  Speaker 1: think that if that corn gets picked, then those deer
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  Speaker 1: gone to a different farm. So when's the next hunt
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  Speaker 1: this weekend? Or no, this weekend is a wedding yank uh.
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  Speaker 1: So the next time I will be able to hunt
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  Speaker 1: is November three. Oh, so it's it's basically that time
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  Speaker 1: from when you gotta get after that other one. Yeah, yep. So,
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  Speaker 1: And you know the first thing I do when I
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  Speaker 1: start my vacation every year is I pull cards on
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  Speaker 1: most of them, depending on if they're intrusive or not.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull my cards. I'm gonna look at them
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  Speaker 1: and see what's on there. Um. I'm kind of hoping
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  Speaker 1: for a little more rain so that corn stays in
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  Speaker 1: that field just a little bit longer and um, and
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  Speaker 1: then hopefully by the time I check my other two
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  Speaker 1: cameras in the area where that big boys coming through
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  Speaker 1: the goal would hopefully to pop in there and then
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  Speaker 1: wait for a south southwest wind. And that's when that's
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  Speaker 1: when I think he likes to to visit that area,
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  Speaker 1: is on a southwest wind. Well, I'll tell you what
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  Speaker 1: it's Uh, it's gonna happen soon. And this is it.
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  Speaker 1: We're next week. Even right now, I think it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be pretty good in a lot of places with this
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  Speaker 1: cold front. And I think next week it's it's game time.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Super Bowl. Time to grind. And your your
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  Speaker 1: vacation is that third through the following Sunday. You got
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  Speaker 1: that whole week off and weekends is that right. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this is where it gets good for me. I have
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  Speaker 1: let's see, I will start hunting November three, and I
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  Speaker 1: took vacation all the way to November, uh, which is Thanksgiving,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't have to be back to work till November.
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  Speaker 1: So I I technically have I technically have three weeks
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  Speaker 1: to hunt. But I think the wife said I can
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  Speaker 1: have two weeks this year. That's that's good. So that
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  Speaker 1: that should that should allow me to get after it
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  Speaker 1: and start the process that I like to do, and
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  Speaker 1: that's you know, hunt a buck until he doesn't until
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  Speaker 1: he stopped showing up, and then move to another one.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully you just hunt that buck till he stopped showing
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  Speaker 1: up because he's dead. Yeah, that wouldn't that be nice
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  Speaker 1: as the sole Let's make that happen, dude. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: it's almost like I look at my phone at night.
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  Speaker 1: I look at my phone even when I kind of
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  Speaker 1: wake up when I have to go feed my son,
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  Speaker 1: and I hit this little button on my phone and
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  Speaker 1: it should will show all the messages, and I'm just
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  Speaker 1: like waiting for you to text me just like got
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  Speaker 1: him or something like that with a with a picture
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  Speaker 1: of a bloody arrow and then I'll pee myself. Man,
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to send that text message and then
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  Speaker 1: I'll pee myself. So ah, man, I'm I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I thought I thought i'd see him tonight. But here's
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  Speaker 1: what we need to do, right, Yeah, here's what we
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  Speaker 1: need to do. We need to both kill you, kill
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  Speaker 1: holy Field, now kill a decent buck this year, and
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  Speaker 1: then we'll celebrate the next time. I think we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: next time we see each other is at the A
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  Speaker 1: T A Show and we'll we'll celebrate with some bruskies.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a good plan, all right, man, Well,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna have to shut this intro down because we
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  Speaker 1: need to give Tim a call um and I know
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  Speaker 1: you've got to You've got to bounce. So I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: run solo for here from here on out. But let's
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  Speaker 1: plan on talking again next week, and heaven at least
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  Speaker 1: I'll have some good stories for you, and then you
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  Speaker 1: can tell me about your plan about your vacation which
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  Speaker 1: will be starting that week, which I'm excited to hear
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  Speaker 1: all about. So let's toss it over real quick to
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  Speaker 1: Spencer to hear our sick story, and then we'll give timocall.
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  Speaker 1: For this week's sit of story, we're joined by Nick Kravitz,
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  Speaker 1: who tells us about a turkey hunt that ended at
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  Speaker 1: two yards. So it was this spring and I decided
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  Speaker 1: that I wanted to try to get my first turkey
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  Speaker 1: with the bow. And I had already got one in Florida,
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  Speaker 1: one in Tennessee, and I was actually it was, I
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  Speaker 1: believe as Sunday. I'm not sure, but anyway, nonetheless, I
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  Speaker 1: went to New York, which is a neighboring state to
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  Speaker 1: me where I'm currently living in Pennsylvania, and I went
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  Speaker 1: out there with the bow with my cousin Tanner, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: right off the bat we heard birds gobbling off the
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  Speaker 1: roost and we're actually running a little bit late. I
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  Speaker 1: had seen this bird fly down from like a hundred
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  Speaker 1: and twenty five yards, so I real quick set out
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  Speaker 1: my decoys right beside me, about ten yards away, and
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  Speaker 1: I kind of leaned up against a tree looking to
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  Speaker 1: this path that I thought for sure it was gonna
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  Speaker 1: come up. And uh so I called a few times.
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  Speaker 1: He was coming in coming in every time I called,
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  Speaker 1: and I realized my face mask wasn't up, so I
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  Speaker 1: put it up, and I called him more time, and
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  Speaker 1: he was to the right of me ten yards and
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  Speaker 1: this turkey walks right behind me at two yards, right
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  Speaker 1: into my decoys, and immediately as he put his head
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  Speaker 1: behind his tail fan and full strut shot and I
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  Speaker 1: got my first turkey with the bow. So it was
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  Speaker 1: pretty awesome. On Nick's hunt. He was wearing sick Is
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  Speaker 1: Equinox system. If you'd like to create a sick Of
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  Speaker 1: story of your own, or to learn more about sick
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  Speaker 1: right now with us on the line is Tim Woods.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to show. Tim, Thanks sir, thanks for having me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: of course, And and we're just we're just talking a
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  Speaker 1: second ago before I started recording, walking through, just making
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  Speaker 1: sure I had all my information right as far as
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  Speaker 1: all the different things you are doing these days, because
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like you are just a very very busy guy.
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  Speaker 1: All things related to white tails too. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: good thing, but you've got to be a little bit
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  Speaker 1: worn out with all these different things going on. Huh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean towards the towards the end
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  Speaker 1: of the year. Uh you know, I I'm to the
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  Speaker 1: point where I'm ready to be done for a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: and then uh, and then the fire gets going again,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, once the snow starts them mount or
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  Speaker 1: you know, get the shed hunting a little bit, and
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  Speaker 1: then you know that that fire gets blazing again and
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  Speaker 1: you're right back after it. So you know, it does
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: get a little redundant, you know, every once in a while.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: But for the most part, it's the labor of love. Yeah, yeah,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: at least at least everything you're involved. And it sounds
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: like is uh is closely related to our to our
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: love of white tails. Um and I briefly introduced you
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: before we brought you on, but can you kind of
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: walk us through a little bit of your background and
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: and what you all the different things you're doing today
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: without today I'm you know, basically uh, you know, working
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: for an outfit or here in west central Ohio. We've
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: got four counties that most of our properties are in, Logan, Champagne,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Union and Shelby County for the kind of the county
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: that we focus on, um, you know, and then uh,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: you know, we got you know, we don't do we
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: don't hunt every week like a lot of outfits, you know,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: for a lot of people may think we do um,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: you know, we're not. Uh you know, we're I guess
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: it'd be uh, you know, less and more. You know
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: obviously when it comes to trying to kill big deer, Um,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: we don't hunt a lot. You know, we just had
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: one the big deer on their feet and uh, you know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: like I said, we we know with Ohio you've got
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: a four months long deer season, but you know we
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: might only hunt. I think we're hunting like nine total
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: weeks out of the year with guys in camp. So
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: we're not just you know, it's not just a like
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: a puppet mill. We're just running guys in and out
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: like crazy, you know. So we're uh, you know, we
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: uh you know, we you know, we have a lot
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: invested in our properties and you know we're trying to
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: kill older class year so uh and the guys that
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: hunt with us too. You know, we've had the same
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: guys for you know, going on ten years, so it's
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: more like uh more almost more like a club really,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: you know, the same guys year after year coming out
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: with us. So you know, it's not so much like outfitting,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, we look forward to seeing the
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: guys again, you know, after not seeing him for a
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: whole year, and they come and it's just just like
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: you know, being at home, you know here as far
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: as the camp atmosphere, but uh no, do do the
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: outfit and stuff. And then uh, I've got some recovery
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: dogs to uh some blood havings every dogs that I
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: dabbled into, uh, you know a few years ago, I
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: you know, outfit and you you always you know, you
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: always have a you know, a deer that you you know,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: the way that Hunter explained it, you know, with the
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: shot and everything. You You're like, man, I know that
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: dear's dead and I just can't find it. So I
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: took them amongst myself and uh and got a pop
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: and trained it myself and through the help of you know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: social media, some other guys that you know, just off
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the tips and stuff that they did with their dogs
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: in the past. And you know, it turned out, you
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: know that I got got lucky, really lucky with one
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: of my dogs. And she's just she's phenomenal. You know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: her name says she's four years old and she's like
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: ninety two recoveries right now, so she's, uh, she's legit. Yeah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: she'd probably be she'd probably be really good if she
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: didn't have to be tied to me. But here here
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: in Ohio, we have a leash law. You know, they
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: would consider hunting with the dog didn't have him on
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the LEAs, so you know, if we have to have
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a leash, And like I said, if she didn't have
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: to be tied to me, she would probably be uh
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: that much better. But and then uh, then with white
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: tail ledge of this film A when I can you
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: know the show that I'm doing with Ben Rising, Um,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: you know he really needs no introduction. Ben's Ben's uh,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: he's a big deer killing machine. That's what he just eats,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: breathes and sleeps it. You know, the guys that that's
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: just what he does. Um, you know, and I love
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: it when he kills a big deer. You know, he's uh,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: you know, he works hard at it. So he deserves
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: every big one that he kills, that's for sure. And
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, just just trying to help him as far
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: as the footage goes, and take care of sponsors on
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: that end, and and raising two kids my wife force
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: full time. I've got a thirteen year old daughter and
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: loving old boy. They're into every sport possible. So so
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: we're we're a busy team over here in Ohio. It
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: sounds like it. And then and then now you're still
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: working with white tail properties as well too, Absolutely, yeah,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: white tail properties. I'm the landsprucial as the white tail
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: properties here. I've got, actually, I've got a fairly big
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: territory over here in west central Ohio. I've covered nine counties. Uh,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: there's pretty much if you just look on a map,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: like a county map, I go from like Tomorrow, Uh, Delaware, Union, Logan, Shelby, Champagne, Ah,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: what is the Green and Madison counties counties. Um, I've
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: got a fairly large territory over here that I'm that
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I'm covering. And there's some some phenomenal deers, some really nice,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: you know, recreational type properties on this side of the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: state that uh, you know, granted, this side of the state. Uh,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the land is not cheap, you know, and like they
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: always say, they're not making any more of it, but
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: it's uh, there's some really really good deer over here.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: It's some really good properties. They are spitting out some monsters.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of good things about that area.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: It's not quite as well known as maybe you know
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: just east of Columbus, or maybe you know down in
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: the far south. But I keep on hearing good things
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: about that that you know west central. I've been I've
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: been interested in trying to head out that way one
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: of these days too. I've hunted south of you quite
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: a bit. Um. And speaking of that, Tim, I don't
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: know if you remember this. You probably don't because you
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: get so many calls, but you were actually um involved
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: in one of the most um trying times of my
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: deer hunting career a handful of years ago. UM I
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: shot at the time was my largest buck ever. UM.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: This would have been two thousand fourteen. I guess it
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: was down in southern Ohio. And uh I was not
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: able to find him. So that next day I was
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: trying to find someone of the tracking dog and you
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and me talked on the phone for a while. You
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: had something going on. You couldn't actually help me out,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: UM because of your I think, yeah, I think, I remember,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I think I had I think I had hunters in
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: camp and it was just so hard for me to
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: get away. UM. And and Casey, the guy that the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: partners was with the bloodhound deer trackers. I remember him.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: He told me about it, and it was you guys
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: ended up finding that dear, didn't you not? Well, we
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: we didn't find him until the following February. Unfortunately. I
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: had a different guy come down with his dog that
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: day and we tracked for a good long ways but
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: but never could connect the dots. And then yeah, the
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: next February, and maybe maybe it was early March, late February,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: early March, we went back shed hunting and ended up
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: finding him right right and kind of the core of
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the property. And we walked by that area a thousand
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: times looking and um, either we somehow missed him or
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: he didn't come back till the next day or something. Um.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: But but and that happens a lot of times, a
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: lot of times, if you know, you know, I can't
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: remember where that was that deer hit and the liver
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: intestine or liver got Yeah, I think it was intestines. Yeah, See,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: especially with it with intestines, it's just sometimes they can
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: take you know, thirty six sometimes for the things to die,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you know, they can they can be sick for a
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: long time and just you know and just walk around.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, I've been It could have been one
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: of those scenarios. But yeah, that's that's a bad deal
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: when that's part of you know, it's gonna happen. Yeah,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and I remember, I remember that
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: was a that was a really big deer. Yeah, yeah,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a bad deal when that happens. But
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I just remember had a good phone call with you,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: and you were really helpful at least walking through different
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: thoughts on it and stuff, and and uh, you know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: one of these days, well, hopefully I'm not in need
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: of a blood tracking dog, but if I ever do,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I will try giving you a call again and see
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: if it happens to work out. But I want to
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: talk about blood tracking dogs. I want to talk about
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: what you're doing with the outfitting side of things that. Honestly,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of different things I want to talk about. Um,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: So I guess first, I'm curious. I always feel like
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: outfitters must have a really interesting perspective if because of
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: the fact that you're not just kind of hunting for
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: yourself in some way, you're involved with many many other
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: people's hunts, and you're hearing about how things are going,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: probably and you're you're kind of tracking and planning and things.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I'm curious, I guess I guess Number one, how involved
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: are you with that? I mean, are you actually helping
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: individual guys out with where they're headed and everything, or
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: is there somebody else on the team that does that?
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: And then number two, if you are involved in that,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: what have you been seeing so far this year for
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: your clients and your hunters? Well? Pretty much? UM. You know,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: if if I'm not doing something with the real estate
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: with like heal properties, I'm on on the properties that
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: we're outfitting on UM. I'm babysitting them. I'm taking care
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: of them. I mean, I want to say I'm on them.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not walking around on them, you know what I mean.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just maintaining them, you know, checking the
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: camera that's planting the food plots, do all the stand
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: prep and so forth. Pretty pretty much everything for me
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: to see on the properties that we outfit on UM.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: And then you know, and basically when my guys come
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: in to camp, you know, they roll on the camp
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: and you know, I'm showing pictures of deer, potential deer
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: that are of age that we want to try and target. UM.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: While they're here. Um and obviously you're gonna have some
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: deer pop up, you know, during the rout this time
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: of year that you know, let's say cornfield gets cut
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: a half a mile away and all of a sudden
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: that deers. You know, that deers in your timber. But
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of times when the guys
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: rolling camp, basically all I mean, I literally I take
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: them right to the to the stands. You know, either
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: either I get them to the tax in the morning
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: and you know when I slip them in there and
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: get them in the set, or in the evenings. A
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: lot of times I drive them right to the stand
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: you know, for hunting, you know, hunting the field edge
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: or something just to eliminate foot traffic. But basically, you know,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: basically I'm the one that's killing the deer, you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: so to speak. But those those are the guys. They're
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: just pulling the trigger on the deer, you know, and
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that's why they're coming. You know, they don't live here.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: They're you know, they're only getting you know, when I
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: tell guys when they come into camp, I said, uh,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: you know, you're not here for a long time. You're
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: here for a good time. Know so and that, and
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you know and and and they trust us, you know
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: what I mean, that's what they're paying for. Um. You know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: we try to provide a good hut and uh you know,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: and put trying to you know, do our best to
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: put a mature animal in front of them in the
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: six days that you're here. That's gotta be That's gonna
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: be a lot of fun at least for me. Like
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: as much as I enjoy pulling the sugar and actually killing,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you know, a deer that I've been after, I think
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I just love the chess match leading up to it
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: even more just you know, thinking about where should I be,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: what's going on, what are these deer doing? What's the
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: intel tell me? And you get to do that times,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: you know times, I don't know how many different guys
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: you're you're taking a hunting, I mean times ten, whatever
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: it is. I mean, that's am I right. Is that
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: just a blast for you? No? No, I mean you're
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: thought on. I mean that absolutely. That that's the fun
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: part for me, especially you know, you know, as as
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I've evolved, um and starting to get my kids in
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the hunting and stuff and you know, and doing this
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: outfit thing um any with white tailed properties, you know,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: setting up farms and health and landowners and so forth. Um,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I get more more enjoyment out of the process of
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: planning the food plots and you know, digging the water
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: holes and setting up the cameras and and manipulating a
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: big mature deer to do what you wanted to do
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: in the daylight. You know. For me, that's the ultimate,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: you know, And it doesn't even have to be me
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: that that shoots a deer, you know, I just I
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: just know that you know, if if some if I
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: had some influence on it, you know, if I helped
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the person do it, or like if it's on one
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: of our farms, and you know, and I planted the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: food plot that the deer got shot in, or or
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I did you know a hinge cut that made the
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: deer change of travel patterns and so forth. That you know,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: when the guy shoots a deer that, you know, I
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: get just as much reward out of it, you know
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: as they do when they when they shoot it. Yeah. Yea.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: So how things been going so far? Have you have
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: you already had hunters in camp yet or is that
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: yet to happen? We? Uh, what we did here to
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: how how it comes in the flash. Saturday in September,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: we had, uh, we just do a small fourman camp. Uh,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: and we had we were pretty successful. We were two
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: for four and we had one one deer gets shot
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: in the shoulder. Um, so you know, realistically we should
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: have been seven. But the four guys we had in
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: camp um killed two nice DearS. You know they weren't
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: uh they were both of them are four year olds.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Both of them are in that one fifty class. They
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: were nice to year and uh. Actually today is the
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: uh the way that typically what we do is we
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: hut from Monday to Saturday. Couldn't it just makes sense
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: for you know, for a week we do six minutes,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: six day camps here. But you know, last year we
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: were looking at the calendar in a way, the calendar
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: was going to fall and this our first camp was
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: kind of gonna get robbed of some really good late
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: October days. Um. So what we did is we moved
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: we moved the camps back almost a half a week.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: So actually our first camp doesn't start till tomorrow morning.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: As far as far as our rut camps, just just
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you know, just the way the moon is gonna you know,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the moons. You know, it's falling in the evenings right now,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: and you know, it just got a lot of deer
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: up on their feet. And you know, we got lucky
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: with this cold front come through, and you know, temperatures
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: dropped thirty some of degrees in the last few days.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: So this first camp should be rocking a roll and
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: then big deer up on their feet and they're checking. Yeah, yeah,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I would, I would say, So that's that's what I've
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: been looking forward to as well up here in Michigan. Um,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: can you tell me a little bit about your elaborate
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: a little bit on what you said there about the moon?
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Why do you think that the moon has lined up
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: pretty good for us in these coming days? Yeah, especially
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: especially in the evenings. I mean granted, you know, you know,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: with the cooler temperatures, you know in the morning, some
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: deer are gonna be up on our feet. But um,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys, you know, they're paying
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: attention to that moon, and you know, and it's getting
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: pretty popular now with you know, with different TV shows
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: and social media and stuff, just paddling away at the moon.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: And I'll try to explain to guys like you know,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: if you're out out in the evening and then you're
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: mowing your yard or you're out doing short or whatever,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and evening and you look up and you see the
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: moon is setting, is on the way down right, you know,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: as the sun sets and you look up and you
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: see the moon, you know it's waxing. It's you know
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: it's coming to pull and you can see that moon.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's falling. When deer typically are feeding
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: in the evenings, it's it's a pretty good time to
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: be out in you know, it's just when the moon's
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: overhead and you can see it in the evening, when
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: you know, when that sun goes down, you should be
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: in the tree stand, especially right now. You know we've
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: you know, when you when you get a cold front
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: like we've had. Like I said, the other day it
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: was seventy nine degrees and today it's forty nine degrees
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and you got you know that and then go on
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: side with the falling moons. I mean, that doesn't get
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: any better than that. Late October, October October, you better
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: be in a tree stand. Yeah, So what kind of
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: setups are you gonna have your hunters on with these conditions,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: are you are you already putting them in kind of
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: your typical rut sets or are you still hunting you know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: more of those patterns that maybe you're still that these
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: bucks are still holding onto a little bit pre rut. Yeah. Yeah, basically,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: what what I'll start doing, you know, because I'll have
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: you know, I think we've got five guys going out
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: in the morning. And what we'll do probably in the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: morning is I mean, we're not just gonna smash in
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: there deep in Noeptember. We're just gonna kind of sit
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: back and just kind of take the temperature and see
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: see how many bucks are underfeet in the morning, and
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: you know, and and see what happens. Maybe get someone
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: some scrape lines or you know, in between some food plots.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: You know, for these bucks, this is the time or
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: hear they're gonna start checking for that first dough to
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: pop um. But you know, I really like the evenings, uh,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the last few days of October Um. They've just been
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, periodically they've just been better for us,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: you know, throughout the years, the Latin and the evenings
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: in October Um and it's just a testament to the
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: food plots. Um. You know, we just congregate them dos
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and these little kill plots and a lot of guys
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: are you know, they they're playing these kill plots all
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: over the country. Now you know, just a little half
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the three cool acred plots that just congregate the dough
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: before they end up out the big destination field. It
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: and that's you know, we've gotten really good at you know,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: put parts in these plots in the right spot. Were
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: just kind of feeding these doves forward and these bucks
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: know that. You know, these doughs are gonna be feeding
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: in the little green plots before they head out into
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the grain field. So and that's that's typically what what
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: we'll do this time of years late you know, late
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: October one part in November as well, you know, hunt
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: these doughs, um, not so much hunting the bucks on
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: their late summer patterns, you know, kind of early fall patterns. UM.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: And we're gonna start keying in on some doughs and
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: some dope betting areas and uh, being in the food
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: plots that the doves like to be in, because these
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: bucks are gonna start checking them pretty hard. Now do
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: you do you have speaking on the food plots. I know,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys um this year, at least from
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: what I've heard and seeing a little bit myself, there's
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: been a tremendous mass crop across a lot of the country,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: especially with white oaks um and people have been seeing
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: the deer hitting those so hard that they're not getting
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: the usual activity they might on their food plots. Is
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: that something you've seen at all or or anticipated all happening. Sure?
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: And uh, you know some farms that you know that
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: we do have, you know, heavy acorn crop on um dear.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: You know, they obviously are not getting to the green
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: plots or the destination plot until after dark. You know,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: they're just stays up in there on them nuts. And
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: you know they just you know, they walk ten feet
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: and they got a full belly. They got to lay
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: down and threw their cut. You know, sometimes if you
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: get a wood, it's just that full, it's like walking
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: on marvels. But uh, and you gotta you know, you
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: take that into account to I mean, if you're going
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: into a wood that uh, the deer aren't gonna get
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to you and get to you in time, then you
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: might have to present this a little bit further and
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: and try and get into in in there where you
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: need to be. But uh, yeah, I know I hate heavy,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: heavy acorn years because it just spreads the deer out
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: so far and they're all over the place. But yeah,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's something that you know, every
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: every couple of years, you get it. You gotta deal
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: with it. But you know, luckily we've got a few
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: farms but don't have an acorn tree autom you know,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: so that helps. Yeah, speaking of UM having to get
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: in there a little ways or getting people in and
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: off of these food plots and stuff, you mentioned that
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: usually you're you're taking in your hunters um, And this
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: is one of the things I'm always curious about because
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I've started, um getting a pick up sometimes when I'm
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: hunting on an edge of the field. I've I've convinced
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: my wife somehow to come out and drive out and
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: pick me up in an a t V. Or I've
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: kind of convinced myself that when I checked my trial
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: cameras in the middle of the day, it's safer to
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: do with my a TV than just walking in there.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Have you found the same kind of thing. Do you
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: feel like we're not making as big as an impact
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: when you're using a vehicle, and how much can you
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: get away with when you're doing that. Absolutely, I will
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: not I will not check a camera or set a
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: camera unless I can drive to it on a foreweather
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: or you know, or a side by side. Um. You know,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I'm just a freak about putting my feet on deer dirt. Um.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: And it's just something I don't know if it's because
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I grew up hunting, you know, hunting some high pressure
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: deer and I wasn't able to get away with anything
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: those deer. So now I'm just kind of you know,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: it's just kind of stuck with me as you know,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: growing up and matured into you know, chasing big mature deer. Um.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: But I think I think you can get away with
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: a lot, especially you know, as long as they can
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: hear the truck coming. You know, they just think it's
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: a piece of farm equipment. You know, they've been around,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: it's their whole life. And the same with a foreweather
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: or a tractor or whatever. Um. You know, they'll let
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: you drive right by, but if you stop, you know,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: if you see it there and you stopped in that
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: vehicle or the forward or whatever. Then don't get up
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: and leave. But as long as you keep the wheels moving,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna bother them one bit. And and and
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: that's what we do with outfit and um if Scott
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: like said in the evening, if guys are on the field,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I just I literally drive them right to the tree.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'll take the forewhead, I'll drive them right
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: to the base of the tree. They step off the
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: foreward and they put the foot on the step and
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: they climb up in the stands, so they're not walking
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: around and you know and disturbing any of the deer girt.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about a a big mature
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: dough that you know, tracks my hunter to the tree
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: and now his hunt's ruling, because that f it's like
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: it's gun picked them out. So do you how many
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: times this is something like I'm always internally debating with myself.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: So so I tell myself that, yes, getting picked up
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: from the tree after an evening hunt is going to
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: have a lower impact on these deer. But is it
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: no impact or you know, after three or four times
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: of that happening, do they start feeling negative in some
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: way changing their behavior? Do you think there's any kind
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: of risk with them changing their behavior when you're doing
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: that pickup? Or could you could I keep on hunting
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and get picked up, you know, three or four or five, six,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: seven times, and and not see these deer changes their patterns,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: assuming everything else is right, assuming I'm not you know,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: having these deer win to me, assuming I'm not doing
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: crazy stuff. Sure, and I I typically, um, I'm a
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I'm a two or three set guy. I mean even
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: you know, even though we're outsitting, you know, I've got
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: three sets. You know, I typically don't sit a set
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: more than two or three times, you know, even throughout
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: the whole year. Um, you know, so I you know
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I might bump the deer one time, and
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I'm definitely not gonna bump them again the next night. Um,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: you know, I just I just think they're bumping them
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: too many times, especially if you're gonna do a back
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: to back on consecutive evenings, so that you're really, you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: your your chances of getting that big deer out there
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: in the daylight or slim to none. Um, you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: unless he's with a hot dog or something that you
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: know he's gonna go wherever she goes. But I think
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: the later in the year you get obviously, um, the
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: the more you're gonna bump them, the less you're gonna
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: be able to get away with, especially late season if
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: you you know, I stay, say, if you've got two
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: or three acres of standing corn or beans or something
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: that you left and you have somebody come in there
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: with a you know, with a piece of equipment or
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: an a TV or forward or whatever and bumped the
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: deer off it. Um, I think you know, you're probably
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: gonna be able to do that maybe two or three
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: times throughout the late season. Um. So I think the bet,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: your best bet is to try and try and get
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: to a spot um where the deer kind of feeding
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: feeding past you. And you know, I don't like, you know, personally,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I don't like sitting on the final destination feed field
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: where the deer are gonna be parked there for the
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: night and they're gonna go lay over in the fence
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: row and they're gonna chew the cut and they're gonna
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: get up the pizza more. UM, I don't I don't
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: like parking my guys in those spots. If I'm gonna
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: be going in and out of those fields a lot.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: So UM, I get you know, I guess every farm
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: is different, you know, and how it's laid out. You know,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: some people are well, that's the only way I can
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: go into the property is is to go through this
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: field to get to where I gotta hunt them. And uh,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: you know some people that you know, that's just what
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: you gotta do. Um, But I would I would say
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: with those guys that are there, maybe not fit complete
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: where it's completely dark in the evening and then when
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: you get out, you got all this deer between you
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: and your vehicle. Maybe if nothing's coming or you know,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, I've got like five minutes left
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: and I haven't seen anything. But take advantage of that
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: five minutes and slip out as quiet as you can't
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: with no headlight and just book it to the truck
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: and live to fight another day. Yeah, yeah, definitely. What
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: about I don't know anything any other tricks you have
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: for getting good entry or exit, because I think that
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I'm sure this is something that's important to you. Give
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: them what we've been talking about already. Absolutely anything else
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: that we're thinking about doing on that front. I'm big.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I'm big on ditches. I love ditches, you know, because
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: all the ditches typically are going to get come out
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: to a road somewhere. Um, and a lot of my
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: guys are out with me, you know, they know they're
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: gonna wear rubber boots because they're gonna have them walking
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: in water, and you know, and the stand all it
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: might only be, you know, and the lazy way to
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: get to the stands only seventy five yards, but my
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: guys might have to walk two hundred yards to get
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: to the tree stand. Because they're walking, they're walking down
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: the ditch, you know, and typically unless the deers drinking
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: out of the ditch, they're not gonna spend a whole
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: lot of time in it as far as you know,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: looking for the scent, you know, smelling the scent and stuff.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: You know. That's why I'm big. And I'm not walking
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: on deer dirt. So like in the mornings and a
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: lot of my stuff, our access and stuff, guys are
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: walking in the ditches. I'm not walking on what I
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: call deer dirt. You know, I'm not walking on the leaves.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not disturbing the ground. Um, we're not rubbing up
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: against anything that a deer might smell um, we're walking
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: in the ditches. And a lot of my sands are
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: in spots that, uh, you know, they're relatively close to ditches,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: whether it be a ditch funnel or just up up
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: the bank off the ditch, you know, and just just
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: areas where deer might not get behind this and a
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: deer is not gonna cut our track. Yeah. So, like
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm I'm big. I'm big on ditches as
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: far getting in and out of farms, and a lot
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: of people are. You know, it's it's just common sense,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: you know, to me, you know, it's just it's just
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: something that you should do. If if you surprise the
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: ditch to get in and out of your properties, you
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: need to do it. Yeah. Do you ever have to
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: go in there and like clear them out with the
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: chainsaw or something or these things. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: a it's a once a year process where you know,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: once you once you get the initial it's open and clear.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: You know, when you get the falling down trees and
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: the log jams and stuff. Once you get all those
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: initially open, then the next year it's just a breeze.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: You know, you just walk through it. And you get
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: you know, the little things are in the way, and
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: you make sure you can still see your taxes that
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: way you can get in and now there. And you know,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: just like I said that, you know, the first year,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna be a pain in the butt.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna probably have to have a chainsaw
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: to cut some some root balls up or you know,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: or just washouts and you know, big log jams. Um.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: But what you know, it's gonna be worth it, you know,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: in the long run to go through it and do
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: that work for sure. So speaking of things like ditches, um,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: terrain features, are are you using any features, you know,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: any type of terrain or topography feature to actually help
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: you get these guys on deer? You know, choosing stand locations.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: It sounds like you're using it to get into out
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: of hunts. But are you also finding ways of these
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: things funnel deer movement? All sure? Absolutely? Um. You know
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: here where we're at here in Logan County where the
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: majority of our properties are, Um, we've got we've got
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit of terraine feature here. You know, we
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: look a lot like southern Iowa really um. And you know,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: and I used. You know, if I get in the
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: timber um, I use you know, just narrow narrows points
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: on ridges. I'm not so much hunting, you know, the
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: wide open flat. I'm gonna hunt the narrowest part of that,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: you know, that ridge, so you know that way, if
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: you know, the ridge itself is kind of funneling the
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: deer down to you know, kind of an hour glass shape. Um,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: and ditch funnels, you know, for you know, you know
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about when I say ditch, all right, I think,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard a couple of different things, but
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I've heard some people you know, yeah, at ahead of
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: a ditch, yeah, because it's kind of going uphill and
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: it's basically just a deep wash out and you know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: in the in the side of the woods and it
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: goes up and once it gets to the top of
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: the hill, it stops and it's just flat right there.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: And I utilize those a lot. I mean, I'm they're like, say,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: back to walking the ditch all the way up in
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: there with the wind in your face, and you just
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: pop up and as soon as you get to the
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: flat spot, you hope there's a really good tree there,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: because it's a you know, because that's that's what I
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: call it ditch funnel, because it just makes a narrow
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: point in the terrain where you know where the deer
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: gonna come around that and they just you know, naturally
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: come around that flat spot on the hill and in
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the evenings. You know, I've noticed too on some of
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: our some of our farms there, Um, we might have
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: a sixty seventy acre field and you're like, man, you're
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: to pop out anywhere. It seems like a lot of
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: our bigger deer like to pop out on the highest
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: spot in that field so they can they can see
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: the whole field as soon as they step out into it.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: You know, they're not gonna pop out, you know, even
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: you know, and I've see I've sat back in the
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: glass and and I'm like, the wind is not in
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: this deer's favor for him to pop out in the
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: middle of this field. But they do it anyway. I
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: don't know, if they just let their guard down a
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: little bit because they want to be able to visually
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: see the whole field when they step out into it
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: so they know which way to go, or you know,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: if they want to see if they're just looking for
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: dose or what But I know a few of our
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: farms where you know, it's just just stick a fork
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: in them, they're gonna step out on that high spot
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: every single year. Interesting speaking of that kind of question,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I find myself in a similar situation sometimes
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: where you're trying to anticipate, you know, I think a
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: buck is going to come out in this general region.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: But then you start wondering, Okay, how do you find
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: the spot within the spot? Um? Sure? What about how
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: a dear may or may not use wind to choose
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: where it's headed or where it beds? Is that something
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: you pay attention to and have kind of kind of
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: come to some conclusions? Sure? Absolutely? I mean especially you know,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: when you know, hunting for myself, if I'm hunting, trying
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: to hunt a particular dear, um there, Uh, you know,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I try to put myself Okay, if I'm a deer
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: and you know, I know I'm being hunted, how am
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I gonna? How am I gonna go about my day
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: when my nose is my number one sense? So how
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: am I? You know? And I'm not just gonna barge
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: right into my bedroom with the wind at my back.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna circle my bedroom. I'm
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: gonna jok my bedroom, get down wind and then I'm
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: gonna send check it and then I'll come in there
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: and I'll bed down. Uh, same thing with it. You know.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: As far as you know going to a food source, UM,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna come out on the up wind side of that,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: you know, the down wind side of that food source, Um,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: to the best of my ability. Um, whether you know,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: terrain wise or whatever. And you know, I'm not gonna
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: pop out. You know, I'm gonna pop out with that
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: winds in my face. I can send check which way
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I'm walking, you know. As far as to get to
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: that food and uh, you know, I'm gonna smell anything
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: any it's kind of danger or anything that's in that,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: you know, before I get to that food source, so
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I don't get shot. You know. To me, that's that's
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: what I'm thinking. I'm a big deer and you know,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: and I think that helps me. Um, you know, as
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: far as trying to figure out how big deer is
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: going you know, gonna gonna work a food source, how
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: he's gonna smell you know, he's gonna scent check some
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: those and never even have to step out into food source. Um.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes a lot of the a lot of
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: really good sense or maybe forty fifty yards just just
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: in the timber um where the deer has got he
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: sent checking this, you know, a corn field or a
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: bean field or a food plot. He never even really
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: has to step out in it because you know, he
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: just sent checking it and he's just moving along to
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: the next one. And you know, if I've had a
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: lot of luck, you know, shooting some big deer, you know,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: just off of food sources that way with some of
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: my clients. Mhm. That's always the tough thing though, I
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: feel like, is you're setting up when you know the
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: deer is trying to move through their using the wind
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: to his advantage. So somehow you need to be able
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: to get there but maintain some ability to be just
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: outside of his handage. Right, It's like cutting that corner
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: that seems to be That's yeah, that's that's the hard
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: part is find you know, getting your wind to blow
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: in the spot where it's not not educating any deer
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: and it's it's good for him and it's good for you.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: That's uh, that's that's what you know. I think that's
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: separates the men from the boys when it comes to
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: killing big deer, being able to being able to find
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: that right tree, you know, the killing tree. Yeah. How
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: much do you worry about send control? Do you are? You?
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Are you one of the send control you know? Uh?
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Are you religious about send control? Or are you religious
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: about just always playing the wind and you you don't
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: worry about the other stuff as much? Or both? I'm both.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm both on that. I'm I'm a scent freak, honest,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest with marked. I have not taken what
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I call a stinky shower, and probably ten years I
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: have old s Huh, no negative on the old spice.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: I have used. Uh, I've used the the sent away.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: So for the last ten years, three d six or
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: five days a year, my wife's steving on board. Yeah,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: we uh all or even in my daily daily clothes, Uh,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: even the kids. I mean we just washed it all together.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: We just were We used the free and clear longer detergent.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: There's no ties or you know, none of the none
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: of the stinky stuff goes on none of our clothes,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: none of our towels. Um and just just kind of
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: just what we've done for the last ten years probably
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: um and I say ten years, it may may be
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: longer now, but uh yeah, I'm I'm, I'm a scent freak.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: And you know I do I do anything, uh you know,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: with all the technology and stuff, with all the ozone
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: machines and the scent crusher and uh you know, I
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: if if if you have the financial means to use
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: that stuff and to and to buy that stuff, you
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: know I would. I've got a scant crusher bag. Um.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Anytime I know the woods with my wife and my
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: kids or myself, you know, I I sent crushed all
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: my stuff for for thirty minutes before I go, and
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: uh you know, and I'm I'm I'm a freak about it,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: and I will not you know, even even when it
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: comes to checking cameras. Um, Um, you know, I checked
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: the wind before I go check the camera. If the
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: wind is not good, then I just don't check that camera.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Even on the ten thousand natures that we have. You know,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I've you know, I've got some cameras that I haven't
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: been able to check for a while now because the
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: wind's not right. So I'm not gonna go. I'm just
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: just a cent freak about everything when it comes with
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: the wind, because that's how they dear they survived. That's
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: the number one cent to the wind. If you if
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: you tip them off or give them a reason to
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: smell anymore than they have to, you're in trouble. All right, Well,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: good stuff here from Tim so far. But let's take
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: a moment here to hear from our partners at White
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Tail Properties and then we'll get right back to this
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: conversation with Tim Woods. This week with white Tail Properties,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: we are joined by Billy O'Connor, a land specialist out
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: of Kansas, and Billy is going to be telling us
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: about what to consider when buying a property with a friend. Um,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: you know, buying a property the friend is a great idea.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: You know, it helps you get more land for less
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: and it also helps with the cost and investment of
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: time that kind of need for improvements. Plus it's just
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: fun to kind of share in the experience of owning
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: land with someone who is passionate about the outdoors as
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: you are. But um, you do need the process a
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: little bit to make sure that you kind of cover
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: all scenarios kind of going down the road when buying
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: with a friend, you first want to talk through ideally
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: what each partner wants out of the experience. You know,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: is this for an investment. Is it to raise mature
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: whitetail by let him get to a certain age class.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Is it a place you want to bring friends and
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: family to hunt as well? Assuming you both want to
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: manage for deer. Usually friends have the same goal and
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: approach to management, but often one person will want to
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: hunt other things such as quail and small game, and
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: the other partner may not necessarily want to do that,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: So you kind of want to talk all that through. UM.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: If you are not a state buyer, you do need
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: keep in mind that the state of Kansas, you're allowed
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: want to land an attack per eighty acres, So if
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: you both want land under tags, you need to make
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: sure the properties of hundred six acres or more. I'd
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: suggest you by the property under an LLC UM. That way,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: everything could kind of be explained in the by laws.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: In the event that something does come down the road
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: where you guys do need to split it or sell it,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: you know, things such as a divorce, or someone has
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: more kids than they anticipated and or a death in
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: the family and someone needs to sell um, those type
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: of things. You can kind of go over and get
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: that out of the way from the get go. If
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: you'd like to learn more, and you see the properties
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: that Billy currently has listed for sale, visit white tail
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: properties dot com. Backslash O'Connor that's O C O N
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: N O R. Yeah, yeah, I hear you. I think
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I do. I do many of the same things you're
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: mentioning there. Um, so what about this situation. This is
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: one of those scenarios I'm always I always struggle with,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: and I just had it last night. Actually, Um, you
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: go in, you get set up, things are looking great.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: You get towards the end of the evening, let's say, though,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: and your wind shifts in some way or it swirls
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: in a bit, and you realize, oh crap, Now not
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: everything is ruined, but now I do know that this
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: section that I really wish my wind wasn't gonna be
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: blown into it's now blown in there. Do you say, well,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: it is what it is, hopefully something will come out
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: from the other two thirds, or do you bail immediately
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: regardless of the fact that it's the last hour or whatever.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Me me personally, UM, I would bail. Um. I mean,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: that's that's just how I am. But you know I
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: can look at it as as a as a guy
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: that you know, Hey, you know, I'm I worked six
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: days a week. You know, my only time I get
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: the hunt it's on Sundays. If that was my only
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: time that I got the hunt, I would stay. Yeah, um,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: you know, and and just hope for the best. But
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: me personally, um, you know, granted I've been blessed that
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't have to punch a time clocks. Um,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: you know I can if if I have a good
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: evening and I don't have hunters in camp, I can
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: go hot. Um. But me personally, I would bail. I would,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: you know, And I actually did. I had a guy
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: come in early. Um, he come in a day early
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: because he's got to leave a day early. And he
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: was sitting last night and when I took him in there,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: the wind was west southwest, and it was predicted for
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: the hour by hour it was gonna go west southwest
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: and it was gonna go to west. And about the
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: last forty five minutes he texted me. He said to Tim,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: it's going it's like dead south does does busting me?
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I texted him back, I said, as anything in the field.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: He said no, I said, get down and walked to
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: the walk to where I dropped you off. Granted I
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: didn't want to foot traffic, but he was forty five
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: minutes away, and I didn't want to take the chance.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: And that next forty five minutes of our wind blowing
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: right down through the middle of this where all the
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: deer we're gonna be popping out. So you know, it's
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: kind of a give and take. I just told him,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I said, just get down and walk fifty yards off
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: the edge of the field, because the whole edge of
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: the field is just floated with scrapes. I said, walk
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: fifty yards off the edge of the timber, and walked away.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: I dropped you off. Um, you know, And and and
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: he did, you know, and he's like he's like double
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: a good move, you know, because the wind was just
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: wrong and there's no sense, you know, Like I said,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: for me, personally, I just cannot sit in a tree
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: stand with the wind being wrong, just just just just
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: like it's like kissing your sister, you know what I mean,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: It's not right. Yeah, yeah, I hear you. I hear you,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: speaking of of your of your client and that example,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: you know, he he heard what he had to say
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: or the text and he had it right out. I'm curious.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: You had a lot of different hunters coming through the years.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Is there anything you've found that separates the people that
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: end up filling a tag versus those that don't. Um,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you see any consistencies? And I
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: don't realize that this is this is a unique because
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: I'm asking specifically, but I do. I do, And it's
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: it's the guy that, uh that rolls into camp and
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: and wants to have a good time and he doesn't
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: care where you put him. If I told the guy, hey,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you over here Walmart and I'm gonna
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: put you in a telephone pole and Walmart parking lot
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: and if he if he would be okay with that.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Those are the guys that kill, honest the fact, Mark,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: I mean interesting, The guys that come in here and
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: they you know, oh man, I gotta kill on this
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: and that those are the ones that have a terrible week.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: It's the guys that come in here and have a
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: great attitude about it. They're here, you know, they pay
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: for their hunt. You know, they're just they're just happy
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: to be here. They don't have to be at work.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: They're not you know, they're not at the office or
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: whatever it is that they do on a daily basis.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: They're just here to have a good time for six days.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: And those are the guys that typically kill a good deer.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: So do you think that's just because that attitude then
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: translates into the field in some way. So the guy
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: that's happy to be there is optimistic and is paying
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: attention the whole time he's out there in the woods
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: because he's just excited about it, and then that just
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: results in him being a little bit more ready for
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: the opportunity, versus maybe the guy who's stressing out too
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: much and he gets negative, and then he's out in
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: the tree and he's convinced himself, Oh, it's not gonna happen.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen, And then it's a self fulfilling prophecy.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah that, and you know, and the and the guys
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: that are just happy to be here, You can put
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: them in a tree anywhere and they will sit daylight
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: the dark. The guys that have to kill, they'll they'll
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: text you every half hour, every forty five minutes. What's
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: everybody seeing? What are the deer doing? Are they moving?
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Do you think I should sit here? What time you
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: think should I move? What's for lunch? Command? What's your thoughts?
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: You know? Those are the texts that I get throughout
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: the day, you know, communicate with my honors and the
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: guys that you don't hear from. You know, I'll check
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: in with some guys that I haven't heard from in
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: a while, you know, it's been a few hours. Just
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: make sure everything's good, you know, and I'll text him.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Have you've seen anything? Nope, I haven't seen nothing. You're good, Yep,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: I'm good? See it dark. Those are the guys that kill,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: you know, but the guy you know, like I said,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: the guy that you know, what do you see? Oh?
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I had a you know, the bucks are chasing all
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: over the place. I haven't you know, I haven't had
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: a shot opportunity. Why won't they stop and give me
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: a shot? I don't understand. You know. Those are the
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: guys that don't kill. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: and like I said, they just they just won't. You know.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: You just gotta trust trust the outfit ter, you know,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: and you're paying them for you know, for them to
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: do a job. And you know, if they tell you
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: you need to sit in that stand, sit in that stand. Yeah,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: let them do the job, right, Yeah, let him do
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: the job. Don't don't guide the guys. Yeah, So let's
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: flip that question then to the other side. So you
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: I know, you know, you hang out with guys like
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Ben Rising and a lot of the people Joel Snow,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of other folks that are very successful,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: mature buck hunters just doing it themselves. What do you
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: see as the consistent factors that link those types of
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: people the very best d I y hunters that you know,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: they live in the areas where they are big deer. Yeah. Up,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: they live in the areas, you know, because they're you know,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: they're not everywhere, but and you know, and that's you know,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I I moved here from northeast Ohio. I was born
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: and raised in the little towns called West Parmington, and uh,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: you know, growing up we had some good deer and
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: then it just become so populated and everybody and their
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: brother hunted, which is good for the sport, but our
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: age structure, you know, I went to put our deer
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: numbers were you know, they were gone because there were
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: just too many of us out there. You know, we
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: were just you know, harvesting too many deer. So I
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: ended up moving down here, and uh, you know, and
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: everything that I learned from up there, and I brought
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: it down here. And you know, I started killing one
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: seventies you know where up home you're killing or one thirty.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: You know that's a good deer. But you know, I said,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: they moved out here to where there actually are big deer.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: I started killing big deer. But even if you don't
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: if you don't have it, you can't kill it. Very true,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: which which is the root of all my problems here
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: in Michigan. I think, um, but I'll sell you a
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: farm down here, far away. Don't tempt me because I'm
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: constantly thinking about it. I'm constantly thinking about it. Um.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: But even where you're at, or even where Ben's at,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: there's guys that aren't killing bucks. They're going out there
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: every year and they shoot a hundred ten inch buck
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: if they're lucky. There's some people that just aren't able
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: to close the deal on these big, mature bucks, even
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: if they are out there. What what makes you or
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Ben different? We pay pay attention to the details. Um,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: and you know, don't skip it. Don't skip any detail,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: you know, cross crush your teas and dutch your eyes. Um.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: And when you do get a chance of a big deer,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: you got to capitalize on it because you might not
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: get another one for the rest of the year. Um.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: You know. As far as what makes it different, I
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, you know, I put my pants
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: on the same way everybody else, does you know? I don't,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I don't know. I haven't been
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: in the woods enough with somebody that doesn't know what
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: they're doing, you know, for I guess for them to say,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: you know, well what you know, I would never think
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: to do that so forth. UM, I don't know if
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: you know what sets us apart. Um, you know, I don't.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: I don't really think I'm any different than anybody else.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: I just, you know, live in an area where there
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: are big deer, and Ben lives in an area where
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: they're big gear. Um. I think you've got access to
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: some good ground, as do I. Um, you know, and
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: it's I really don't think I'm any different than anybody else.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Um I did. Maybe we just worked a little bit
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: harder than than than the average guy. Yeah, and I
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: think there's something what you said there about that attention
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: to detail. That's always one of those things. But with
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: everybody I talked to, every one of these people we
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: have in the podcast, that's that's very successful. That's definitely
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: a comment trait. It's not not cutting corners. Paying tentioned
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: to every little thing. Um, that's that is a core,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: kind of core, consistent principle to almost every successful deer
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: hunter I've talked to. So that's always interesting. Yeah, you
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: gotta you gotta pay attention to details. You can't be lazy. Um,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: you know, you get out of it what's put into it,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: you know, and if you want to, if you want
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: to halfway do something, you're gonna get halfway results. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about something that, um, every deer hunter
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: right now is thinking about, which is the rut, which
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: is not gonna you know, we're knocking on the door
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: of the rut right now. Um, it's coming for a
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: lot of us. I think you know, if if you
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: read a magazine these days, or if you listen to
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: a podcast, or if you watch TV shows, you have
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: been just hammered over the head with the basics of
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: how to hunt the rut, right, I mean, I think
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: most deer hunters know pinch points, funnels, um, you know,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: be where the does are. Sure. Is there anything above
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: and beyond that though, that you think leads to hunt
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: success during the run? Or is there anything that you
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: have your clients do or put your clients in, anything
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: in some unique fashion during the rut that helps you
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: guys be successful? Um? I think for us, it's just
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: paying attention to the deer um, you know, and and
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: don't try not to overthink it too much, you know.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can, you know, you can have the
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: best situation in the best scenario, and somehows screw it up.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, like for us, you know, we just you know,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: we we scout a lot from the roads. We do.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: We do a lot of glasses, um, we run a
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: lot of cameras and just pay attention to pay attention
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: to the deer um, you know, and put the pieces
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: of the puzzle together. Okay, you got a picture of
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: this deer here, Um, is he bet in here or
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: is he you know in between? You know, what's he doing? Um?
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Don't just say, oh, I got a picture of the
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: deer in the soup plot, I need to say this
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: tup plot. You know, the picking you might have got
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: a nighttime picture. He's obviously on his feet somewhere. Um.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: And then with the rut coming, the deer you can
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: be on their feet in the day right now. Um.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: You know this is this is the time of year
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: that everybody's saving their vacation for you know, the next
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: you know, from now till Thanksgiving, a lot of guys
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: are gonna be in the woods. Um. You just pay
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: attention to the deer. Um. If you're not seeing seeing
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: what you want to see, you know, maybe you're you're
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: obviously not where you need to be. Um. And every
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: farm is different, um, you know. And and that's the
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: the unique thing about you know, land and farms and
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: stuff that you know, they're all a little bit different.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: They all got their little quarks about them that make
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: them good or make them bad. Um. I guess you
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: know nothing really, you know, we just don't don't overthink
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: it too much and play the wind number one thing.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Let the wind dictate where you're gonna be, because it's
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: you know, if if you try and split the hair
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: with the wind on you know, on the deer, You're
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: gonna lose of the time, um, and that's what us
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: we don't we know. We're trying not to overthink it
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: too much and just play the wind. What what could you, um,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: could you maybe elaborate for us a bit um on
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: what kinds of spots you specifically are having people front
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: this time of year. So I know that wind is
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: going to dictate how you would pick a certain place. UM,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: but could you maybe lay out in detail maybe an
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: example of the spot, Like right now, I'm going to
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: try and be uh between bed and or feed in bed,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: Like if I'm going in the morning, UM, I'm gonna
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: try and have an access to where I'm not walking
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: through or I'm not entering where I want to hunt
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: where by going through a destination feed field. So I
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: don't want to domino the tear back, I don't want
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: to shove the deier back to where I want to
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: try and catch them in between bed defeat makes sense,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: or or feed to bed. So I'm gonna try and
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: have the kind of a side door entrance or back
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: door entrance where I can slip somebody in and and
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: be between where the deer feeding and where they want
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: to go to bed. You know, whether it be on
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: a you know, on an oak flat or an oak ridge,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: or a funnel or you know, our ditch funnel where
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: I'm catching the deer naturally traveling back, traveling back to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: bed in the mornings. UM. And then and this time
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: this time of year, like the next for the next
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: about the next week. In the evenings, UM. If I
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: don't you know, if I don't have guys that are
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: wanting to sit all day, UM, I'll typically move them
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: to uh, to a funnel or somewhere close to uh
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: a food plot or you know, or you know, our
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: an oak flat or something in the evenings, catching the
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: deer before they head out into the big fields and
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: you know, and kind of gets scattered, you know, once
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: a deer get once a big deer gets out in
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: a big field and then starts running those around, it's
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: really tough to you know, to get it, to get
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: a deer locked in UM. You know, we will utilize
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: decourse to um. You know this time of years that
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: you know they're just walking around pro um, so you know,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: calling calling into deers. You know, it's fun to do,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: especially to see him, you know, react to it and
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: uh you know, come in posture into decoy and you
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: can stick one inside and when it comes to decoy,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: it's pretty fun to do. Yeah, what's your typical decoys
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: that up look like for us? Like you know, the uh,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: it's it's kind of backed off of an area, you know,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: because where we're at here, a lot of our farms
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: we have high deer and now as we have lots
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: of dose and dose hate decoys. Um. So typically, you know,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: a typical decoy set for us, um. You know, if
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: you can, you can imagine, say you've gotta you know,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: perfectly square food plot and it's been a acre food
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: plot and a lot of the deer like to come out,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: and it's you know, say the southwest corner of the
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: food plot and they are a lot of the deer
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: come out right there. Well, I'm not gonna set up
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: right there with the decoy right on top of the does.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna set up on the far northeast corner of
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: that food plot, you know, with the you know what
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: a west wind or a southwest wind or a south
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: wind that way, when the does come out, they can
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: see that decoy from a little ways away and they
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: have tolerated over there and uh, you know, and then
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: then if a buck comes out where the does come
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: out and he sees the decoy and you give him
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: a grunt grunt a couple of times or a snort,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: weeds and so forth, and he can't take it anymore.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: He's gonna march across that field to you. Um, I
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: guess that would be a typical decoy set for us,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: which you know, it's kind of off of the deer movement,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: so speak in the deer sign. Um. It's just not
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: you know, really, it's not smashed in on the typical
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: inside corner. You know there where a lot of deal
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: will pile out. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna move
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: in here on that inside corner and put the decoy
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: twenty yards away that way. As soon as he does
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: pop out, they're freaking out and they're blowing and topping
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: all over the place. I'm gonna give him a little
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: bit of room defeat. And that makes sense. Now do
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: you do you usually like using a buck decoy or
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: a dough decoy or what situation would you use either or? Um,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: this time of year, I would just use use a
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: buck decoy, um, you know, because they're you know, even
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: on on a lot of the cameras and stuff, and
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: I'm checking, you know, I've had a lot of cameras
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: on scrapes and maybe get multiple bucks. In these pictures,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: they're all postured up at each other, so they're uh,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: they're getting to the point where they're not uh, they're
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: not liking each other like they did a couple of
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: weeks ago. Um. So you know, I'm I'd like using
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: a buck decoy. I've had a lot more success over
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: a buck decoy, um one. And I guess once you
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: get later in the year, um, you could you know,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: you could do the dough decoy as well with the
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: buck decoy. Um, and didn't even you know, even later
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: into November. You know you can just you know, just
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: use a dough by itself. Um. But I haven't, you know, personally,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: as far as guiding, I've never had much luck with
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: just the dough decoy. You know, I know a lot
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: of guys that have killed some deer over just a
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: dough decoy. But um, you know, my hunt, my guys
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: have a lot more fun and we've had a lot
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: more success with just the buck decoy. No, I feel
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: like I've seen or heard the same thing too. Um,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: now here's something that just popped into my mind. That's
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: totally kind of a a from the rut. But you
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: mentioned your scrapes on your sorry, your trail cameras on
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: your scrapes and what you're seeing there. I got me thinking,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: you must check so many trail cameras over ten thousand years.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: I cannot imagine how many cameras you run, Um, how
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: much you see? So I got two questions. For number one,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: I'd like to understand, Um, you know how you're using
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: these cameras, you know it is. Is it just to
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: get inventory or is it actually helping you hunt in
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: some way? I'd love to understand that. I guess an
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: answer me that, and then I'll throw my apart too. Actually,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: I guess yeah. And you know this time of year, um,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: we've got a got a lot of crops coming off,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: corn starting to come off, and and typically a lot
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: you know, once our corner comes off, we recruit a
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: lot of deer, and we recruit a lot of older deer,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the bigger deer. For some reason,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: our big deer just love being out in that corn
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: by themselves in the summertime, and once their home gets
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: taken away, they come they come back to us. Um.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: And it's typically the same box on the same farms
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: year after year. Um. You know, we can you know,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: we have history with these deer, and you know, and
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: I put these I put cameras on the scrapes, um,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: and that way I know they're back home. Um, and
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: it lets me know, uh, you know, are they you know,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: on the on this food plotter they come to this
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: food plot the evenings, um. And then I can you know,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: and then I can go, okay, now he you know,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: just from what I know in the past, the deer
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: has probably bet at here, he's coming to the food
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: plot you know, this direction, and then I can kind
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: of key in on that particular deer with my guys,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: uh you know, and try to pull a rug out
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: from underneaththing that way. But as far as far as
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: numbers of cameras, I couldn't even tell you how many
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: cameras I have. UM. I know, I checked probably to day.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah. And and that's just you know, pulling into
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: a farm and I'd say I've got three cameras on
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: this farm, um, you know, And I got the wind right,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: and I'll just take the quaw and I'll just buzz around.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: I'll check, you know, swap the cards out in these cameras.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: I'll come back to the truck, pop them in the laptop,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: you know, and click the room and see if I
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: you know, see if I can get any uh, you know,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: most recent information of what's happening on that farm. You know.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: Now I got some guys going to the camp. H So,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: so then that kind of ties in nicely to what
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: my next question was, which is, given how many cameras
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: you're looking through and like the just the vast amount
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: of data that you're looking through every year, year after
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: year after year, have you learned anything like like big
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: trends that you've seen because you've looked at so many pictures.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, have you found any any like big picture
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: patterns Like, yes, like I've seen every year that X
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: happens or this factor always gets the buck on their feet?
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: All right? Is there anything you've you've identified by way
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: of looking through all the pictures over the years and
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: maybe even you know, talking to hunters about their experiences
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: year after year after year, have you gotten any big
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: picture of learnings in that in some kind of fashion
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: like that. Um, I guess it's something that we've all known,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: is that it's all about the weather. Those temperatures. Um,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: you know I've been you can you know, like like
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: we've had you know, it was it was almost in
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: the eighties for a few days a few days ago,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: and the cameras were a little slow. Um, you know
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: when I clicked through those dates, Um, things were slow,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: just deal, just worm moving. And then you know you
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: get a twenty degree temperature drop and it's like a
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: light switch went off. You're like, well, where you know
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: where all these deer come from? Um? And it's just this,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: you know, this time of year, we want the rust
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: to happen so bad. You know, we've been waiting on
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: it all year long. We've been checking our cameras and
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: we're getting pictures of these big deer and we can't
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: wait for this for the rest of get here. And
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's all about the temperatures. You know,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: if you've got to if it's the temperatures are warm them,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: you know we're still gonna have a rut, but it's
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: just gonna be at night. So you know, if you've
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: got cold temperatures then you're gonna see the activity when
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: you're sitting in the tree standards, groundline or whatever. So Um,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: that's that's the big thing that I can take away that,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: you know, no matter, no matter what we do, the
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: rut is going to be pretty much the same time
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: every year. Um. And if the temperatures are cold, we're
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: gonna see it and we're gonna you know, guys are
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: gonna get to see it. They're gonna get to see
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: the chasing in the bucks, fighting and stuff like that.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: But if it's warm, everything's gonna happen at night. What
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: do you do during the rut when you do have
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: those warm temperatures? How do you make the best of
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: that situation? Um, we're sitting on the water holes, strategically
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: place water holes for guys when the temperatures are hot. Um,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: and you just just do your best. You try, you
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: can try and stay positive. Um. And you know that's
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: one thing you can't control, you know, And that's you know,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: and and it doesn't matter with anything in life, I guess,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: you know, control the controllable and one thing we can
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: control the weather. Yeah, that's the truth with you know,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: you know, when things are tough, you just you know,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: you know, just say, maybe it's hunting. You know, it's
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: not life or death, it's just hunting. It could be worse,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: it could be a lot worse. Yeah, So what else
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: when it comes to the rut, when you get whether
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: it be your guys coming into camp or or anybody else.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: We've talked a little bit about the right places that be,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: We've talked a little bit about how to handle the conditions,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: talked a little about decoying. What else does someone need
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: to be doing to have a successful hunt during the rut?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Or should be thinking about her or whatever? Um, pay
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: attention to the deer. Like I said, if you're if
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: you're not seeing what you want to see or what
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: you think you should be seeing, Um, you're doing something wrong.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Um you need to movie. You need to either get
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit more aggressive, or maybe you got too aggressive,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe you need to back out. Maybe you smashed in
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit too far. Um, pay attention to the
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: d tales. Um. You know, if you're running cameras, you
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: know this time you get to check those cameras a
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: lot because you know you might be coming up on it,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: you know, the next three or four days. Some of
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: these bigger deer, you canna get locked down, you know.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: And and if you're hunting one of those big deer
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: and he gets locked down and it's you know, you
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: could be in for a long rut. So you know,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: I'd say if you know, if I was, you know,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: I haven't got to hunt the run so long. Um,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: but I get to hunted vicariously through our guys. But
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: you know, I guess it's for me. I would just
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: pay attention to what the deer doing. And uh, like
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: I said, if you if you slip in and you
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: hunt a morning and you're expecting to see a good
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: movement and you don't, well, I mean you did something wrong.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: You know, something something happened there. Uh where you where
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: you didn't play your cards right or you didn't you
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: weren't paying attention to what you should have been paying
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: attention to. And learn from it. You know, just because
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: you don't see nothing doesn't mean you can't learn. Yeah,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's one of the big lessons I learned,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: was just like, never assume that what happened just happened
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: by chance. Like there's always a why, there's always a
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: reason why something happens. So I'm constantly trying to trying
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: to force myself to ask that question and try to answer. So,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: so I didn't see any deer tonight, Well why why
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: did that happen? Or maybe I did see a mature
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: buck crossing this little ditch over in this such and
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: such area, Well why did he? Why did he cross there?
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Why was he heading that direction? I feel like if
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: you take everything that you observe and experience in the
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: white Tail woods and apply the question of why to it,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: you you by default becoming better deer hunter. I think
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: by asking and trying to answer those questions, maybe absolutely
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: absolutely no stone unturned, so you can you can never
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: learn enough about these you know, I get you know, guys,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: you know, friends and stuff will will text me and
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: you know, they'll they'll call me and be like, why
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: did this dear do this? And I'm like, there, as
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: soon as you figure out let me know, yeah, you know,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: you know, let me know, as soon as you figure
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: out why that deer will do that, you know, on
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: this night when it's eighty five degrees and he's standing
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: in the scrape to you know, eleven o'clock in the
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: middle of the day and you're texting me why and
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: sending me the picture, and I'm like, uh, I have
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: no idea why he will be doing that? You know,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: you know, is there a dough pop in there? Or
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: did he did somebody bump them and he just took
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: a walk, you know? Or is you know as he
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: actually you know a deer that will get up and
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: walk in the middle of the day when is the
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: eighty five degrees? You know? It's about these careers. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: they they are wild animals, that's for sure. They're They're
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: always going to keep us on your toes. So what
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: about this so fascinating? Oh yeah, yeah, I uh, I've
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: yet to tire of them. So let's say we're hunting
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: the rut. We've done all these things. We've kept a
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: positive attitude, we've been hunting hard, we've been focusing on
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: dose and pinch points and etcetera, etcetera. We're paying attention,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: and everything worked out and we got a shot. We
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: hit a deer. Um, I've got I guess two situations
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: I want to lay out here. UM. One would be
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: we have a we have a deer that, Um, I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: guess Okay, let's let's let's say this. We hit a
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: deer is there anything that you've learned given how many
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: deer trails you've been on with all the tracking you
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: do with your bloodhounds, is there anything you've learned from
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: tracking with a hound that has helped you become a
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: better blood tracker, just you know, on without a dog,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: or that you could tell someone that could help them
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: when they're tracking without a dog. Guess that's my first question. Um.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Typically if you if you make a moral hit on
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: a deer, there's they're straight line. Is um you know,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: whether it be you know, say you get a high
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: entry hit, high entry and no exit. Um, it's can
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: be a little bit for you get a little bit
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: of blood. But typically those deer are straight lining. You know,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: they're they're on a mission. They're going somewhere and they're
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: going there straight in a hurry. Um you know that
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: that would be you know as far as with the
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: dogs a lot of times, Um, you know, if you know,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: if we're if I dropsy in on the track and
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: uh and she takes a good line and she starts
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: going you know in that in that one direction, Um
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: she's going straight. Then you know I know typically um,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: you know we're locked in you know we're doing what
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: we're supposed to be doing, so that that would be
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: the biggest thing you're not taking away with the hounds.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: You know a lot of times, you know, if you
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: didn't have a hound, you'd be kind of zig zagging
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: around trying to find blood so forced and you know
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of times, if you'll just get on that
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: trail and you'll take that trail that that deal was
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: on that you shot, and just walk it out a
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: little bit, you'll, you know, you know, eventually you'll probably
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: pick up some sign and pick up some blood, or
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: you know, see a track with the deal was running
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: and so forth. So these gear when they're hit, you know,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: mortally hit, their straight lining m interesting. So let's I guess,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: I guess maybe let's take a step back. Maybe I
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: got ahead of myself there. Um, what's your basic process? Um,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: without a dog, let's just say right now, because we'll
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: talk about dogs in a second. But for for you
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: pre dog, or for someone who doesn't have a dog,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: how would you recommend or how do you personally go
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: through the moments after you see the arrowheaded deer? Take
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: me through the process from that moment all the way
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: you know, through a hypothetical track job, how you're doing it,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: what you're looking for? Um, how long you would wait, etcetera, etcetera. Sure, Um,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: most owners know, you know, as soon as they let
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: that let that arrow go, or you know whatever they're
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: shooting at a dude, they know, you know, their first
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: instinct is oh I smoked him, or oh man, that
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: was a bad shot. You know what I mean? Um,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: you know, so typically that right there. Lets you know,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: do I need to give this deer some time? Or
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: you know, can I wait? You know, do I wait
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: forty five minutes or an hour? Uh? And get down
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: and go look? Um, and you know what the dog
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: dogs in doing this outfit thing? Um, you know, being
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: that I'm not there with the guy. Um, you know
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: saying saying, don't have the dogs. You know we're gonna
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: run through the scenario not having a doll. Say, you
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: shoot the deer, you feel like you made a great shot,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: the deer runs off, You're gonna hear it fall down.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: You didn't see it falled down, but you just heard it.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just hauling the mail. Um, I'm gonna wait,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna wait a while. I'm gonna get down,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go inspect the arrow. Um. You know, I'm
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: just you know, see what kind of blood I got?
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: See you know, see if it's um good lung blood,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: arterial blood or is it dark gritty? Is it dark blood?
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: You know, does it have any you know, gut matter
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: on it? You know? What where did I hit the
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: deer um? And for the most part, a lot of
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of these guys are you know,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: they're pretty well educated anymore as far as archree out.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Most of the guys know about where they hit the
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: deer um, you know. And and you can that that
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: arrow is gonna tell you a lot. And then you know,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: for me, I would wait, Um, you know, I'm a
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: I'm an eight hour guy, you know, you know, and
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: unless you see the deer fall over, you know, you
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: see the you know, deer runs a hundred yards you're
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: here and fall over, you see it fall over, you know,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: then then get down and you know he'll get your
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: gear by all means. But if you you know, if
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: you made uh, you know, you you think, you know,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: you're pretty sure you made a good shot. But maybe
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: maybe it's maybe maybe it got liver, or maybe it
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: didn't well, then at least wait eight hours before you
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: do anything. You know, before you before you start tracking,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: you before you go in there and start you know,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: even if you went fifty yards, that might be fifty
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: yards too far and you bump the deer and it's gone. Um.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: You worked all years for that, for that shot, you know,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: and then you're gonna screw it up by not being
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: patient enough. Um. So that's that's the biggest thing that
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: I've you know, I've actually had to learn, you know
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: parts and that's what the dogs have taught me. Um
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: as well. It's just deep be patient. Um. You know,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: if it's dead now, it will be dead later. The
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: last thing you want to do is bumped a deer.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: And uh, you know, once you bumped a deer, your
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: chances of finding there is that much. You know, there's
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: you know they were you know there they were good before,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: but now they're you know, they're really bad now because
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: you're bumped the deer. He might even be off your property.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: He might you know, he might run a country mall
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: before he beds down again. You know who knows. But uh,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: I'm a I'm an eight hour guy. To be honest
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: with your markets. If one of my guys shoots the
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: deer in the morning, I'm not you know, say, shoots
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: at eight o'clock, I'm not going in there until four
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: o'clock in the afternoon. If he shoots it at night,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: then I'm just gonna wait till the next morning. Then
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: we'll go in there in the daylight and see what
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: we got to work with. Mhm. Now, have you found
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: there to be any You mentioned one thing already, that
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: being the lots of times a mortally hit deer is
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: gonna just be line it somewhere. Have you found there
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: to be any other patterns to a deer? You know,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: there's these commonly held beliefs. I can name a couple
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: like people say that a wounded mortally would buck won't
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: run uphill, or lots of times the morley wounded or
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: gut shot deer hill head to water. Have you found
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: any of those things to be truer or anything else? Sure? Absolutely,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of you know, and you know what,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: I've had scenarios where you know where you know the
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: guy you know hundred they know it's a gut shot deer,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: and they called me and I go there with the dogs,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: you know, say point four hours later, you know, we
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: give the deer ample time. Um, and you know, and
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: then we say, okay, you know, there's a pawen down here.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: There's a creek out here, it's got water in it.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: You know, that's probably where he went. And we'll I'll
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: drop sit in on it and we'll start going that way.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, sist turns and she goes
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: up the hill down a deep ravine and up ravine
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: and all this and that, and then we find the
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: deer a hundred eighty degrees hundred eighty degrees away from
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: the pond. You know. So you know a lot of
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: times you can throw that theory out the window. I
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: don't know why. Why wouldn't you know? Because when the
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: deer get shot in the gut, you know, they get septic,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: they get a fever, and they want to go to
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: water to cool off. And that's where a lot of
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of people find them, you know, whether their
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: liver hit, you know, gut shot and shot in the intestine, whatever.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: You know, for the most part, you're gonna find them
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: in the water because that's where they that's where they
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: want to be, you know, that's what they're they're trying,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: they're trying their dangnist to get to that water, so
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: they cool off because they have fever. Um. But you know,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: as far as you know the rule of thumb for
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: the most part, if you do shoot a geer and
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: the guts and you do not have a dog, um,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: and you can't track it, so you have you know,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: you have no blood, UM, I would definitely I would
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: definitely be walking walking the ditches or looking in nearby
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: palms for sure. M h um. Now what about in
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: a situation with a dog? Um, Let's well, I guess
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: what when when should somebody call a dog? I guess
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: maybe that's the better question. What should I call someone
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: right away if I've got a shot that I don't
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: feel is ideal? Yeah, as soon as you make the shot.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know anybody that that's that's artery. And
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of us out there that have you know,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: to have recovery dolls anymore. Um, we're pretty easy to
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: find on social media, you know, whatever states you're hunting in,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: um and and and just having it in your phone
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: even if you don't call him, just put it in
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: your phone. Deer tracker guy or a bloodhound guy. And
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: and if you you make a shot as soon as
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: you get back to the truck, and you know, man,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: that's that's that's not a good shot. Call the tracker.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: You know, all of us are gonna we want to
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: help you find the deer. Whether we can get to
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: you or not, we want to help you find the deer. Um,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: So call the tracker. UM, we're gonna bring him kind
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: of give you an interview process. We're gonna ask you
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: how high you were ground live? So forth's quoting to
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: pouring away. Um, we're gonna run into the gauntlet of
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: questions and you know, and and that's gonna help you,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: you know, play back the whole scenario in your mind. Um,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: the tracker is gonna be able to say, okay, well
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: I think you hit him here you know we're here
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: and so forth, Um, we canna tell you whether whether
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: you should go, you know, whether you should wait, whether
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: they can come and help you, whether they can uh
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe get a buddy that lives closer to you,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: you know, that has the dog, um referring to somebody
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: else they can track for them. Um, So that would
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: be the first thing I could, you know, I would
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: say that if you made a marginal shot, try and
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: get all of somebody with a dog, whether they don't
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: even have to live in you know, the state. I mean,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: I bet I can vouch for a lot of the
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: guys that have dogs that you know, we just want
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: to help people find their deer um. So if you
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: can get ahold of anybody to h to run that,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: you know, run the process through them, let them help
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: you start the process. And uh and and hopefully you know,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: and if if you can get a dog out there,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: you know, day but you know, not that not all
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: trackers are you know, for the most part, you know,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: nobody doing it full time tracking. So a lot of
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of the guys have you know, day jobs,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: you know, or you know, working evenings or afternoons or whatever.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: So finding finding somebody that's got the time to you know,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: drop everything they're doing and bringing their dogs is it
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: is hard, but uh, you know, but but if you
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: get a dog, there's more power to you. You know,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: That's that's the best thing to do, is get let
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: the dog run the track first before you go in
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: there with your buddies and start good searching around and
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: and and try and you know, and you're just walking
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: all over the track and you're disturbing the area where
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: the deers ran. And now now then you bring the
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: dog in and drop the dog down. How the dogs
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: tracking your buddies. It's you know, it's trying to trying
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: to track where the dew was, and you know you've
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: you've stepped on blood and didn't know it. You stepped
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: on you know, some vials and gut matter and didn't
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: know it, and you're tracking it, you're carrying it with
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: your feet, and you're going the wrong direction. You know,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of different a lot of things
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: that can go wrong when you when you come in
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: there and you start grid searching with buddies or start
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: blood trailing with buddies, and then all of a sudden
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: you want to back out and you want to call
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: the dogs. So call the dog first. Uh, take that
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: route if at all possible, before you go in there
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: with your buddy even start tracking. Yeah, it's got me
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: thinking about another situation. UM, and this could be this
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: could be whether you have a dog or not. I
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: guess I'm curious about what the rights, what the right
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: answer is. UM. Let's say you shoot a deer, and
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: then you got rain that's coming in soon afterwards. Um,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: and maybe the shots kind of marginal um, but maybe
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: you know it's kind of one of those in between
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: our shots. But rains coming in. What do you do then?
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: Do you push it because you want to get your
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: do you go in sooner than usual because you want
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: to make sure you have some kind of blood? Or
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: do you say, all right, I'm just going to assume
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: there's not gonna be any blood, so I want to
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: make sure he at least doesn't get pushed farther away
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: so I have a better chance when I am just
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: kind of body searching the next day. How do you
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: approach that situation? Um? You know, now now that I've
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  Speaker 1: got the dogs, Before I had the dogs, I would
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  Speaker 1: have went in and looks, because you know that's that's
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: the way we blood trail, you know, it is with
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: our eyes. We need to deal a seed. Which way
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  Speaker 1: that deer went? Um? So before I had the hound,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: I probably would have chanced it. And when it went
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  Speaker 1: in there before the rain and and hopefully we're covering
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: the deer. But now that I have the dogs, UM,
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  Speaker 1: providing you're not you don't get a monsoon and it
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  Speaker 1: just you know, just a big gully washer. Actually a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of moisture and rain is good for the dogs.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: It actually holds that scent tighter and holds that scent right,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: you know, right there where it needs to be. UM.
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  Speaker 1: So a little bit of rain on on the blood
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: and on the track itself, it's not bad for dogs,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if that makes sense to it,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: because it's kind of just it just holds the scent
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: right there as far as you know, say, say it's dry,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: you know, when you shoot the deer and then it
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: starts raining. It just it just it's like a sponge,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: you know, the it just holds it right there where
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  Speaker 1: it needs to be versus de scent just kind of
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: blowing all over the place and back force. You know,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: what a wounded deer gives off is that interdigital scent
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  Speaker 1: gland you know, in their hooves. Um, when it's shot
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: and it's mortally hit, it's given off that scent. That
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  Speaker 1: waxy deposit is what it's given off. And that's you know,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: that's what canines and predators and stuff, that's how they
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: tracked the deer their wounded um, you know, And that's
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: the same thing that we train our dogs on. It's
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: not so much blood, it's that waxy deposit that that
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: deer gives off, you know, how their interdigital scent gland
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: in their hooves. Yeah, speaking of understanding you know how
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: you're training your dog. Anything you could recommend to someone
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: out there who who hasn't interested in getting their own
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: tracking dog, maybe a resource or organizations or anything like that,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: or where should people go to start learning about how
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: to do this? Um there, there's a lot of stuff
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: on the internet, how to say, get books John Janie,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: I've got numerous books that he's that he's written on
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: recovering you know, deer recovery. Um in case you Morrigan,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: you know the guy that I'm partners with the blood
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: out of deer track because he's, uh, he's a wealth
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: of knowledge himself. I mean he kind of started himself
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: on it and learned through trial and error, um on.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: You know, did a lot of stuff wrong, and then
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: he did a lot of stuff right and uh and
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: you know, and ended up getting a bloodhound. He started
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: out with some other other breeds and ended up with
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: a bloodhound and uh, you know, and he's had nothing
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: but success. You know using using the bigger dogs. UM,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: I would say, figure out what what you want out
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: of the dog? You know, if you're looking to get
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: into it, Um, are you going to use it just
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: for yourself and you know and maybe a couple of buddies,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: or are you actually gonna you know, provide a service
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: for the local hunters in your area? Um, and you know,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: and figure out what kind of dog is it? You know,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: is just gonna be a you know, full fledged working
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: dog or you know, or just dog going to sleep
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: on the couch with me and you know, and maybe
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: every wants a while, we're gonna track a little bit. Um.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: You know, I guess you know, figure out, you know
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: what kind of dog you want. Um. You know there's
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: some great breeds out there. You know a lot of
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: guys are using uh slobaki and copas those that's a
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: great breed. Bloodhounds are great breeds. Are a little bit
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: bigger dogs. Um. Um, wire hair docks and the short
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: hair docks. Ands. You know, there's you know a lot
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: of guys to recover you know, hundreds of deer a
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: year with you know, using those small dogs. UM. You
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: know I have two bloodhounds, have we had about a
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: ninety five pounds red female and about a sixty five
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: pound black and tan female. And uh, you know that's
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: that's just a dog I like for the terrain that
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: I'm in over here. Um, We've got a lot of
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: deep ditches and you know, just they just work better
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: for me here, you know, in this hilly country over here,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: so um, you know, and some of the some of
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: the flat ground, you know, some of the other stuff
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: for some people are you know, maybe you don't want
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: to you know, neither long legged dogs. Um. But as
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: far as breeders, you know, i'd you know, I'm not, Uh,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, I was fortunate enough for you know,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: Casey got me my first pup, and I did a
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: little bit of legwork on my own to find the
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: next pups. Um, just through social media. You know, there's
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: you know, there's you know, if you want, if you know,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: if you want to find the dog, uh, you know,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: to recover dear, you know you'll find one. You know,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: they're they're out there. Um, you know, go and uh,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: you know, put your hands on the pups and and
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: see the kind of environment that the dogs are in
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: and see where their parents come from. See what their
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: parents are doing. And the grand you know, the grandparents
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: of the you know of them. See what kind of
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: bloodline they're you know, they are they working dogs or
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: they show dogs or um. You definitely want to stick
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: with the working line of dogs. You know. That's the thing. Uh,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: you know, the bloodhouse they've kind of got a bad
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: rep you know lately, with you know, being more of
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: a show dog versus a working line, and uh, you know,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: and and we're trying to trying to reverse that a
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: little bit. You know, we haven't we haven't bread and
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: of our of our working dog yet, but uh, you
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: know that's something that we're probably gonna do here in
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: the future and hopefully, you know, put out some good
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: working bloodhouse. I'll tell you what it really does. Every
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: time I talk to anyone who has a dog like
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: this and is able to do this kind of thing,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: he really is intriguing. It gets tempting that it's got
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: to be really nice just to have that tool in
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: your in your toolbox whenever the situation arises. Sure, yeah,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: I mean Sis. You know, Sis is my older dog,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: and she's she's made us look like rock stars. You know,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: be honest with some of the some of the deer
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: that she usually telling for us over the years. Um,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: you know great, you know, like you know what I'll
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: tell guys, You're like, oh man, we gotta go in
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: there and try and recover that Deer's gonna rain in
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: the morning. And I'll tell no, don't worry about it.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: The rain is not gonna bottle the dog, you know,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: and knockout wood. You know, we go two hundred fifty
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: three under the yards and sisters standing over the over
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: the deer, and you know, she makes us look like
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: a rock star. Um. But if it's a lot of work,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: you know, especially in the early you know that first
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: the adolescent years of having a pup. You know, it's
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: about repetition. Um. And and you gotta get out there
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: and you gotta work them. Um. You know, like I
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: said earlier, you know, if you if uh you know,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: you know, if you want you know, full time results,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: can't can't put it in part time work. Um. And
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: you know what says I had I did. You know
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: her first two years was just you know, a lot
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of work. It's a lot that she did
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of work in the in the harness and uh,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: you know, and it was a learning process for me too,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: as far as learning how to read her, you know,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: when she was locked in and uh and learning how
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: to read it once she was you know, out to
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: lunch so speaking, and not doing what she was supposed
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: to do. But now she's four years old, you know,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: I do I do some artificial tracks with her in
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: the off season, you know, just to keep the uh,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: keep the drive there. You know, we do play a
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: lot of games tuggle war and so forth like that,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: you know, with deer highs and deer hoofs and of
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: stuff and uh. And now you know, now it's you know,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: when I pull that hunter us out now and you know,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: and I put my bibs on, she knows the time
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: to go to work, and you know, she knows what
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: time it is. That's that's pretty cool. That's really cool.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: And I like, I like that phrase you head there
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: that you shouldn't expect full time results if you're only
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: putting in part time work. And I feel like that's, uh,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: that's a pretty good thing to keep in mind, even
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: just as a deer hunter, right, you shouldn't be out
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: there expecting the world if you're only putting in part
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: time work. So that's a good thing for all of
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: us to think keep in mind, especially in the off
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: season when when we get back to work as far
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: as preparing our hunting properties. But we're in the midst
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: of it right now, and we're kind of reaping what
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: we've sewed. Hopefully we've all already put in the work,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: and hopefully we're just enjoying the benefits of it now.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: But I guess, you know, we we gotta wrap things up, Tim,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: But if you could leave, if you could, if you
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: could leave our listeners with any final reminder or word
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: of wisdom or or piece of advice as we're heading
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: into this. You know, this is kind of like the
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: super Bowl of all of our white tail seasons right
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: coming into the rude. Ever, a lot of people, like
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: all of your goals and hopes and dreams for the
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: hunting season might be riding on the next couple of weeks.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: Is there anything that we haven't talked about yet, Tim,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: that you that you think we need to make sure
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: to touch on. Um? Yeah, I think we've covered a lot,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: you know, And one thing, um is, you know, envy, Uh,
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, are greedy? You know? You
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: know some guys are you know, you see it all
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: the time, you know on social media. Um, just because
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: somebody killed a big geer, that doesn't mean they're a
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: bad person. You know. Maybe they did all the work
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: in the offseason. You know, maybe they did all the
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: work that you wish you would have did. And that's
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: why you're mad at that person, because they they did
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: what you you know, what you should have did. And
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: you're mad because they killed the big deer. Um. And
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: don't don't smash you know, other hunters just because they're successful. Um,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: be happy for him. You know, it makes you feel
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: better as a person when you're happy for somebody. Um,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: you know that was successful. Um. You know, we're all
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: in this together. Um to you know, to grow our sport,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: to make it better than it was before we come
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: into it. And you know, and that's my ultimate goal
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: and that that should be all of our goals, you know,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: as sportsman, you know, as outdoorsman, is to leave it
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: better than we found it. And you know, take your
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: kids hut and have fun with your kids. Don't make
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: it so serious with your kids when you do get
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: a chance to take them out and would be safe,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously everybody wear a harness. You know, you
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: got responsibilities at home, you know, don't be don't be
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: selfish and clamp them up in a free stand without
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: a harness on. Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. If people want
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: to see all the different things, if people want to
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: connect with you, whether it be on the white tail
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: property side or see your videos of the white tail edge,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: or book a hunt or learn more about it. Um,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: where can they go online to find all this stuff? Tim? Um?
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: You can go to uh Whitehall property dot com and
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: UH you can click on the agents and tim would
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: will pop up. Click on the air. My contact information
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: is on there, my email address, my my cell phone number,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: my cell phone numbers not three, seven, eight, four or four, one, five,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: zero or two. Um. You know I typically answered to
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: you know, even for numbers that I don't know, just
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: because I'm in the real estate business, and you know,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: I'll talk to anybody about anything. Um. You know, UM,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: if you want to you to hold me, there's ways
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: people find out how you to hold me. I'm not
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: that hard to find, all right, very good? And then
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm assuming then that's a good number to
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: reach you at. If there's someone needs some blood track
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: and too. Huh sure, yep, and uh you know, and
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: keep in mind that you know this. Uh it's hard
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: for me to get you know, I do get a
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: lot of calls and uh and you know I can
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: tell you that things are really starting to heat up
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: because I've got you know, I've gotten probably I think
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: it's five calls in the last two days for so
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: dear recoveries. So things are getting right. Yeah, that's the
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: that's another to reach me at or you can text me.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: Uh and uh, you know, I'll talk about your dear hit,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: talk about selling a piece of property, talk about anything awesome. Well, Uh,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: I've enjoyed getting to talk to you here tonight, Tim,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: and I appreciate you making the time to uh to
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: have this conversation right here in the busy part of
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: the season. So thank you for that, Tim, absolutely Thanks
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: for having me. Mark had fun, absolutely well. I wish
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: you luck and your future hunts and for all your
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: all your hunters coming into camp here soon and um man,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: let's stay in touch stand forth. We'll do that and
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: that is a rap. So before we go, though, big
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: thank you to our partners at Sitka Gear. Yetie Cooler's
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: Matthew's Archery, Maven Optics, the White Tailed Institute of North America,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: Trophy Ridge and hunt ra Maps. And finally, of course,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate taking some time out of your day
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: to listen to this episode, to listen to our radio
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: episodes that come out each week as well, um Man,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate you guys being a part of this community.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: And if you're hitting out the woods, if you're going
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: out soon, if you're hunting, which I certainly hope you
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: are because things are getting good, Wishing you all the
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: best of luck. I hope you have a great hunt,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: hope you have a safe hunt, and until next time,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: stay Wired to Hunt.