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The Kenny Report | 8 October · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Lone from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: Another big lump of your money six hundred million dollars
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Speaker 2: subsidizers industry to help it survive the energy fiasco that
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Speaker 2: the government has created with earlier subsidies paid.
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Speaker 1: For by you.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister pleads ignorance over ISIS brides and their
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Speaker 2: children returning to Australia as the Coalition ramps up the
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Speaker 2: pressure over just who labor is letting in that alarmist
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Speaker 2: climate risk assessment report pulled apart by an expert in
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Speaker 2: his analysis. Also Alexander downa Tonight, Pauline Hansen and the
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Speaker 2: Wednesday wrangle with Danika and Justin let's get cracking. More
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Speaker 2: of your money was handed out today, six hundred million
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Speaker 2: dollars more to subsidize industries hit hard by the government's
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Speaker 2: own heavily subsidized energy policies. So much of our money
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Speaker 2: is being wasted on this renewable energy merry go round.
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Speaker 2: You could get dizzy very quickly while we all get
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Speaker 2: a whole lot poorer. The latest intervention has happened in
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Speaker 2: Queensland to bail out the copper smelter at mount iSER
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Speaker 2: and the related refinery at Townsville. Both the state and
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Speaker 2: federal governments have pitched in to keep the plants open
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Speaker 2: with six hundred million dollars of taxpayers money over the
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Speaker 2: next three years.
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Speaker 3: This is a region that should be the Silicon Valley
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Speaker 3: of critical minerals processing for a future made in Australia.
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Speaker 3: It's enormous mineral deposits strategic metals like copper, but critical
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Speaker 3: minerals as well, and securing this asset is an important
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Speaker 3: part of securing a future made in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good news for those two towns and for
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Speaker 2: the workers and mind you, Australia's manufacturing and industrial base,
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Speaker 2: and even the Prime Minister was keen to get in
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Speaker 2: on the announcement from canber.
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Speaker 4: We say to those workers at that facility, we're going
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Speaker 4: to look after your jobs. We want to make sure
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Speaker 4: that your children can have a good job too. That
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Speaker 4: is what we're determined to do.
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Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Why are these operations under financial pressure?
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Speaker 2: Why has their future been put in jeopardy? Well, largely
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Speaker 2: because of higher energy costs, you know, caused by the
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Speaker 2: renewables roll out that the government keeps telling us. Well,
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Speaker 2: you know what they keep telling us.
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Speaker 4: Australians know that the cheapest form of energy is renewables.
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Speaker 5: Tee, what else hasn't changed the economics that renewables are
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Speaker 5: the cheapest form of energy.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so they keep telling us while power prices keep
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Speaker 2: going up. The opposition might not have a plan to
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Speaker 2: fix this right now, but they know the reality.
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Speaker 6: What we're doing is continue to just fork out and
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Speaker 6: bail out with the showing taxpayers money.
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Speaker 2: Ultimately that runs out.
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Speaker 6: Unless you're prepared to fix the fundamentals of cheap affordable power,
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Speaker 6: then in three years time we're going to be back
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Speaker 6: to the same problem.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Our whole economy is based on reliable and affordable energy.
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Speaker 2: In fact, our whole society relies on it. It's the
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Speaker 2: lifeblood of modern civilization. And we used to have some
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Speaker 2: of the cheapest and most reliable energy in the world.
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Speaker 2: Now we have some of the most expensive and reliability
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Speaker 2: is under constant threat. Government rules and grants and subsidies have.
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Speaker 1: Backed the renewable rollout.
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Speaker 2: They've subsidized and favored renewable energy and electricity storage projects,
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Speaker 2: and they've guaranteed returns for transmission lines. They've even had
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Speaker 2: to subsidize house hold power bills to try to cover
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Speaker 2: up their own mess. And now they bail out another industry,
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Speaker 2: Our hard earned tax dollars sprayed around on this stuff
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Speaker 2: against our interests. They're even handing out cash for household
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Speaker 2: batteries now, grants that are not even means tested, and
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Speaker 2: only the well off really can afford them. And this
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Speaker 2: is from a party of workers, and they boast about it.
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Speaker 1: Because I can curll the house. As of today, eighty
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Speaker 1: thousand and.
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Speaker 5: Five Australian household have installed a check my.
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Speaker 7: Home battery under the Albanesi government's check my Home Battery
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Speaker 7: POLICYY speaker.
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Speaker 2: Your taxes paying for other people's batteries. Sometimes your taxes
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Speaker 2: paying for.
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Speaker 1: Rich people's batteries.
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Speaker 2: Tens of billions of dollars have been thrown around as
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Speaker 2: they've bailed out the Wyala still works. Also hit by
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Speaker 2: high electricity price and your taxes today bail out a
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Speaker 2: copper smelter again because of those escalating electricity prices, and
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Speaker 2: your taxes subsidize those green hydrogen projects that keep falling over,
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Speaker 2: and you tax your taxes also subsidize coal fired power
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Speaker 2: stations to keep them going longer. Because the renewable energy
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Speaker 2: your taxes subsidize can't.
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Speaker 1: Do the job we want them to do.
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Speaker 2: You and I are paying so many subsidies at every
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Speaker 2: end of the energy shambles that they'll soon be burning
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Speaker 2: ten dollar notes instead of coal.
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Speaker 1: But don't worry. Don't worry, they reckon.
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Speaker 2: They're doing all this to save the planet, even though
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Speaker 2: for all their efforts, all they're spending with your money.
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Speaker 2: They know the science can't be denied. They know that
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Speaker 2: whatever we do in Australia will not change the climate
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Speaker 2: one iota. The idiocy is beyond belief. If you think
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Speaker 2: the war in the Middle East and the protests supporting
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Speaker 2: it around the world are all about establishing a Palestinian
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Speaker 2: state and the so called two state solution, you are misinformed.
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Speaker 2: As I keep pointing out, the Hummas Charter says it
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Speaker 2: exists only to eliminate Israel and the Jews from the
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Speaker 2: Middle East, and all the terror group's actions show it.
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Speaker 2: Ask yourselves why they've waged this war now for two years.
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Speaker 2: Is it because they think they can win it overpower Israel,
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Speaker 2: one of the most technologically sophisticated military forces in the world.
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Speaker 2: Don't be silly, No they choose to hide among their
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Speaker 2: Palestinian people under them in their tunnels and pop up
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Speaker 2: and fire rockets or killers soldiers or civilians every chance
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Speaker 2: they get, to prolong the war, to extend Israel's pain,
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Speaker 2: and to pop out to propaganda about how all this
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Speaker 2: is about Israel making life hell for Palestinians, and so
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Speaker 2: much of the world buys this nonsense. The real tormentors
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Speaker 2: of the Palestinian people are Hummus and the other Islamist
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Speaker 2: terrorist groups in Gaza and the West Bank. They exist
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Speaker 2: to eliminate Israel, and Palestinians' lives are the price they
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Speaker 2: are willing to pay. They volunteer their own people up
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Speaker 2: as involuntary martyrs, and it's pretty chilling to hear similar sentiments.
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Speaker 2: Last night in suburban Sydney at a park in Bankstown.
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Speaker 2: This is where Paul Keating grew up, and in a
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Speaker 2: park named after the former Labor Prime Minister, a protest
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Speaker 2: was organized to mark the two year anniversary of the
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Speaker 2: October the seventh atrocities committed by Hamas and its supporters
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Speaker 2: when they murdered, raped, tortured and kidnapped almost fifteen hundred people,
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Speaker 2: with more than three thousand injured.
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Speaker 8: When we are seeing so much pain and suffering, we
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Speaker 8: turned back to a loss of panamadhana, and we find
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Speaker 8: solace in the words of the Lahn. And we find
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Speaker 8: solace in the words of a lah when he praises
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Speaker 8: the Marta. When the lahs so I done above seven
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Speaker 8: heavens praises the Marta.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is shaih Ibrahim de Doom now talking about
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Speaker 2: suffering and martyrdom, When two years ago tonight he declared
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Speaker 2: that the October the seventh slaughter was wonderful.
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Speaker 1: I'm smiling and I'm happy.
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Speaker 4: I'm his aiden.
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Speaker 8: It's a day of courage.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, October seventh was the day he'd been waiting for.
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Speaker 2: But now, after two years of war, as Israel has
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Speaker 2: attacked and rooted out Hummus, trying to avoid Palestinian civilians
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Speaker 2: but tragically killing thousands of them to Dooon sees hope
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Speaker 2: in crushing Israel, the Zionist state he calls it, and
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Speaker 2: any supporters, or as he calls them, Zionists.
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Speaker 1: Brothers and sisters. Today we remember.
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Speaker 8: Our martyrs as they resist injustice and oppression. Whilst we
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Speaker 8: remember them, we also recognize that our martyrs are a
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Speaker 8: thorn in the throats of Zionists.
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Speaker 9: Indeed, you're gathering today, you being here today are a
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Speaker 9: thorn in the throat of Zionists sympathizers.
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Speaker 2: No call for a two state solution. There, no welcoming
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Speaker 2: of the Albernesi labor government's absurd recognition of a so
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Speaker 2: called Palestinian state. No call for the freeing of the
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Speaker 2: remaining hostages or the disarming of Hummas.
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Speaker 1: No call for peace.
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Speaker 2: And the acceptance of the peace planet's currently on the table. No,
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Speaker 2: this was a cry for ultimate victory.
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Speaker 8: Resistance is justifying when Palestine is occupied. Zionism is on
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Speaker 8: its last legs. Zionism is at its end.
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Speaker 1: It's going to die. One day we will.
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Speaker 8: See Zionist organizations put.
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Speaker 1: Onto the Tarror watch list. One day we.
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Speaker 8: Will see Zionism and its entirety to be known like
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Speaker 8: the Nazi regimes that came before us.
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Speaker 2: You heard right. The victims of the Nazis are the Nazis,
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Speaker 2: the victims of the genocide, or Islamist extremists are the
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Speaker 2: ones committing genocide. It defies belief, doesn't it. It turns
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Speaker 2: reality on its head. It repeats humas propaganda and alarmingly
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Speaker 2: it's accepted by far too many people in our public debate.
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Speaker 2: The Dune spoke emotively about the dream of Palestinians finally
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Speaker 2: taking Jerusalem, and he told his supporters the liberation of
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Speaker 2: all of Palestine, that is, the elimination of Israel, was
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Speaker 2: within their grasp.
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Speaker 8: Well, remember that liberation is coming, that we will received
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Speaker 8: our justice and that victory as around the corner a
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Speaker 8: loss of panda Hawadana. Want every single one of you
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Speaker 8: for coming today. Keep your brothers and sisters in your
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Speaker 8: douar as we're all doing.
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Speaker 1: And continue to resist, and.
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Speaker 8: Continue to resist, and continue to resist. Ah love bless
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Speaker 8: you are Skatu from the river.
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Speaker 1: To This is such a worry, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: And it puts the lie to the government, the leftist
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Speaker 2: media and the other activists who pretend that this is
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Speaker 2: all about a fair go for Palestinians, that recognition is
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Speaker 2: the answer, and that it's Israel that needs to lay
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Speaker 2: down its arms, not humm Us to den has in
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Speaker 2: the past been a social added with the fundamentalist Muslim
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Speaker 2: group his bookter Rea. He is their Australian website. They
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Speaker 2: are quite open about their aims for a caliphate and
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Speaker 2: for Sharia law to be the way of life for all,
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Speaker 2: and they're not into a two state solution. Their press
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Speaker 2: release after Alberesi's recognition said, two years after the genocidal
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Speaker 2: massacres by the Zionist entity that's Israel in the blessed
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Speaker 2: land of Palestine, backed fully by America, NATO and their
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Speaker 2: crusader allies, the UN and world powers have responded by
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Speaker 2: rewarding the entity. Yes, Israel is the Zionist entity, and
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Speaker 2: it is responsible for massacres, not hummas, and the two
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Speaker 2: state solution rewards Israel the entity, presumably because it allows
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Speaker 2: Israel to continue to exist, and just to remove any
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Speaker 2: doubt about that, it goes on to say, the Islamic
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Speaker 2: Ulmah or that is, the Muslim world, must fulfill its duty,
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Speaker 2: support its people in Palestine and work to liberate all
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Speaker 2: occupied land through the establishment of a rightly guided caliphate.
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Speaker 2: Liberate all occupied land, that means get rid of Israel,
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Speaker 2: put it all under Islamic rule under a caliphate. So
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Speaker 2: when we have protests in this country condemning Israel and
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Speaker 2: apparently supporting the Palestinians, but often openly supporting Hamas and
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Speaker 2: other extremist groups, and when they shout from the river
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Speaker 2: to the sea and they call for the inter fada
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Speaker 2: or terrorist uprising, it's crystal clear what they are all about.
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Speaker 2: Whether they know it or not, they are chanting for
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Speaker 2: the elimination of Israel.
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Speaker 1: Some of them are quite upfront about it.
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Speaker 2: Much of this has gone on for too long without
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Speaker 2: action from our governments or our law enforcement agencies. There
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Speaker 2: are hate speech laws, there are laws against supporting terror
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Speaker 2: groups like Humas, but we've seen very little action. Let
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Speaker 2: me suggest again something this government could do right now
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Speaker 2: that would show it is serious about standing by Israel
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Speaker 2: and the Jewish people and taking security seriously. It should
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Speaker 2: ban his book to Rear. It is banned in the
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Speaker 2: UK as a terrorist organization. His book Taria is banned
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Speaker 2: in Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Lebanon, Jordan. It's banned in Turkey, Egypt,
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Speaker 2: It's banned in Germany and Bangladesh because all those countries,
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Speaker 2: most of them Muslim countries, as you know, are worried
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Speaker 2: about its extremest use. But it operates openly and legally
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Speaker 2: here in Australia, and you've just seen some of the stuff.
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Speaker 2: It's associated with get serious. Prime Minister, you need to
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Speaker 2: do what you can do to stamp out this extremism
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Speaker 2: because it's damaging to our national cohesion and it puts
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Speaker 2: our security at risk. Instead, we have a government that's
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Speaker 2: been banning visas for Israelis to come to Australia, blocking
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Speaker 2: social media commentators at a former politician and a sitting
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Speaker 2: elected Israeli politician. Yet at the same time it's brought
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Speaker 2: in an undisclosed number of people from Gaza, possibly up
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Speaker 2: to three thousand of them, and the minister was there
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Speaker 2: to welcome them direct from the Hummus controlled badlands of
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Speaker 2: Gaza in a way where proper security check could not
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Speaker 2: have been carried out. And now the same government has
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Speaker 2: allowed the wives and children of Isis terrorists to return
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Speaker 2: to Australia, pretending the federal government has offered no assistance
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Speaker 2: when it was obviously aware and must have facilitated the
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Speaker 2: granting of citizenship and the provision of passports or travel
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Speaker 2: documents for children born overseas. If you are looking for
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Speaker 2: a sign that this government is taking the risk of
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Speaker 2: Islamist extremism seriously, you simply cannot find it. It's too
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Speaker 2: busy demonizing Israel, which only encourages the extremists. Now, on
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Speaker 2: the back of all that, the Federal Opposition has accused
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Speaker 2: the Albanezi government of covering up basic details about the
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Speaker 2: return of those Isis brides and what assistance has been provided.
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Speaker 2: Here's Senator James Pattison and grilling the Foreign Affairs Minister
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Speaker 2: Penny Wong yesterday.
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Speaker 10: The government has said that they have not provided assistance
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Speaker 10: to returning Arsis France. How does the government define assistance.
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Speaker 1: A repatriation assistance?
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Speaker 10: Does the Prime Minister consider providing citizenship by dissent to be.
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Speaker 1: Assistance that the government.
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Speaker 10: So it is not assisting someone to return to Australia
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Speaker 10: to provide them with the documents they need to enter Australia's.
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Speaker 2: After more. R Gi Barjie on this today, I asked
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Speaker 2: Senator Patterson whether we could say now whether the Albanesi
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Speaker 2: government helped with read these returns to Australia or not.
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Speaker 10: Of Coreach, I think it's very clear that these Isis
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Speaker 10: brides and their children are in Australia with the blessing
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Speaker 10: and support of the Albanese government, because they not only
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Speaker 10: provided them with citizenship by descent, overseas. They not only
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Speaker 10: provided them with passports which allowed them to enter our country,
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Speaker 10: they also declined to use the temporary exclusion powers that
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Speaker 10: the government has to keep these people offshore given that
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Speaker 10: they've been associated with a listed terrorist organization. So they
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Speaker 10: can use weasel words all they like, they are responsible
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Speaker 10: for the fact fact that these people are home, and
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Speaker 10: more importantly than that, they are responsible for refusing to
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Speaker 10: being upfront with the Australian people about that to reassure
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Speaker 10: them that the security risks are being adequately managed.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, police were even aware of this impending arrival for
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Speaker 2: their security needs.
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Speaker 1: Now this was revealed on Sydney Radio.
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Speaker 2: Ben Fordham on two GB was asking the police and
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Speaker 2: having this confirmed weeks ago, So how can the government
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Speaker 2: possibly plead ignorance?
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Speaker 1: Exactly right, Chris.
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Speaker 10: The only way that New South Wales police would be
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Speaker 10: told is if they were told by the Albanezer government.
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Speaker 10: So many weeks ago, if not months ago, they were told,
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Speaker 10: but the public wasn't told and that's unforgivable, particularly when
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Speaker 10: you think about the persecuted Christian minorities like the Assyrian Christians,
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Speaker 10: when you think about other minorities like the Yuzidis who
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Speaker 10: we have offered a home to after the rise and
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Speaker 10: fall of Islamic State and said to them you will
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Speaker 10: be safe here. Well, now they know that people who
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Speaker 10: are members of the terrorist organization that was their jailer,
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Speaker 10: that was their torturer, that was their abuser, have returned
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Speaker 10: to our country, but they have no idea where they are.
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Speaker 2: It is just extraordinary and the government wasn't forthcoming with
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Speaker 2: any more information today. Here is the Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke in Parliament.
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Speaker 5: What we have is a situation where we have a
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Speaker 5: number of Australian citizens who made a terrible decision, an
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Speaker 5: absolutely dreadful decision, to go off and join and join
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Speaker 5: others who were involved in what has been described as
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Speaker 5: some of the most order one of the most horrific
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Speaker 5: organizations that the world has seen. And this is not
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Speaker 5: the first time that Australian citizens who made that decision
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Speaker 5: have returned. When Australian citizens seek to return to Australia,
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Speaker 5: they are able to do so.
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Speaker 2: It's almost pretending as if there is no government. This
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Speaker 2: is just happening around them. They don't have anything to
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Speaker 2: do with it. Now, there are two contrasts that I
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Speaker 2: would draw here, one is that this is the same
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Speaker 2: government that has been blocking the entry of Israeli commentators
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Speaker 2: and even a sitting Israeli parliamentarian. And this is the
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Speaker 2: same minister who's been down at Sydney Airport welcoming the
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Speaker 2: unknown number of people coming into this country from Gaza.
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Speaker 10: Your thoughts, Chriz, I think it's very clear the kind
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Speaker 10: of people that Tony Burke welcomes to Australia and the
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Speaker 10: kind of people he doesn't want in Australia. And he's
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Speaker 10: out and proud about those people, but he's been running
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Speaker 10: for cover in this instance. That question that he answered
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Speaker 10: today from DAILI was the first time he'd made any
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Speaker 10: public comments on this issue, despite the fact that he
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Speaker 10: had meetings about this with the charity Save the Children
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Speaker 10: in October last year. That was the first time he
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Speaker 10: discussed the repatriation of these people to our country. He
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Speaker 10: had another meeting with them in June this year. And
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Speaker 10: the government has known for weeks, if not months, that
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Speaker 10: this was on the cars, but they never felt the
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Speaker 10: need to tell the Australian people. They never even felt
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Speaker 10: the need to reach out to Australian Assyrian Christians or
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Speaker 10: australiansdes to warn them or to comfort them and reassure
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Speaker 10: them that they would be safe.
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Speaker 2: Extraordinary stuff. Now I've got to talk about something I
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Speaker 2: opened the program with, and that is Shaik Ibrahim Dudoun,
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Speaker 2: who is in my view infamous in this country for
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Speaker 2: the way he celebrated the October the seventh atrocities two
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Speaker 2: years ago. In fact, exactly two years ago tonight is
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Speaker 2: when he celebrated them.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: Last night he spoke in Bankstown. He talked about liberating
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Speaker 2: all of Palestine, about getting rid of all Zionists effectively.
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Speaker 2: He obviously doesn't want a two state solution. He wants
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Speaker 2: Muslims or Arabs to run all of Palestine. He's been
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Speaker 2: associated with his book to Rear, and their statements in
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Speaker 2: the last few weeks have rejected a two state solution.
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Speaker 2: They want all of Palestine liberated, they want to caliphate.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it time yet again to revisit this issue of
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Speaker 2: his book to Rear, This extremist organization that is banned
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Speaker 2: in so many Muslim countries and in the UK and Germany.
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Speaker 2: Shouldn't Australia ban this dangerous organization.
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Speaker 10: I think we need to look very closely at the
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Speaker 10: legal thresholds that have previously declared that this organization doesn't
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Speaker 10: meet that threshold. The advice has previously been they don't
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Speaker 10: qualify as a terrorist organization. Well, what I'm concerned about
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Speaker 10: is that they know what those thresholds are and they
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Speaker 10: deliberately stay right under it, but are engaged in extremely
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Speaker 10: dangerous incitement in this country, which has contributed to the
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Speaker 10: worst state of social cohesion we have seen in our
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Speaker 10: modern history and the most unprecedented anti Semitism crisis in
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Speaker 10: our history. It's very clear that people like this have
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Speaker 10: been emboldened by the Albanezi government's weakness and in action
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Speaker 10: over the last two years. They do not fear the
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Speaker 10: consequences of their behavior. That is why they are repeating it.
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Speaker 10: That is why they're escalating it. And until this government
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Speaker 10: gets serious about prescribing organizations like Hzibutteria like consequences for
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Speaker 10: people like shaik dedun consequences for the organizationians who promoted
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Speaker 10: that rally, who have charitable status, then it's only going
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Speaker 10: to continue and it's only going to get worse.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, thanks so much for joining us, James Patterson.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Chris.
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Speaker 2: Let's stay in Canberra now and catch up with One
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Speaker 2: Nation leader paul En Hanson.
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Speaker 1: Pauline, thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: I want to stick on immigration, but get to the
25:21
Speaker 2: economic aspects here, because you've been highlighting what the unprecedented
25:25
Speaker 2: levels of immigration we've had over the past couple of
25:27
Speaker 2: years have done to our housing crisis situation which everybody
25:31
Speaker 2: knows is feeding into our cost of living crisis.
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Speaker 11: Your thoughts, we're totally right what I've been saying about it.
25:38
Speaker 12: You can't have seven hundred and forty thousand people come
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Speaker 12: in twenty two to twenty three. It was increased the
25:44
Speaker 12: Morrison government dropped from two hundred and sixty thousand two
25:47
Speaker 12: hundred and ninety thousand. At that time they knew and
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Speaker 12: I was questioning it then they knew there was an
25:53
Speaker 12: issue with it at that time. Then when the Labor
25:55
Speaker 12: took over, they increase it from one hundred ninety thousand
25:58
Speaker 12: up to two hundred and forty thousand in the year
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Speaker 12: twenty two to twenty three, and they said it was
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Speaker 12: for skills. Chris, only fifty one, six hundred and five
26:06
Speaker 12: were actually skilled migrants, and of that only eighteen hundred
26:09
Speaker 12: for the construction industry.
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Speaker 11: So you're not going to get the houses.
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Speaker 12: Built at all, and the impact it's having on the
26:15
Speaker 12: Australian economy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this has become part of the part of the
26:20
Speaker 2: battleground in the internal Liberal Party or coalition wars at
26:23
Speaker 2: the moment, with people like Andrew Bragg saying that immigration
26:27
Speaker 2: is not the main problem with the housing crisis. Well,
26:30
Speaker 2: it might not be the main problem. We all know
26:32
Speaker 2: supply is the main problem. We need to get more
26:34
Speaker 2: houses out there. There's all sorts of factors working against that,
26:38
Speaker 2: including electricity costs and the rest of it. But also
26:43
Speaker 2: of course it increases demand for housing when you have
26:46
Speaker 2: that many people coming in. But as you point out,
26:48
Speaker 2: we're not calling the right people in. We should be
26:50
Speaker 2: bringing in the tradees that we need, but we're running
26:53
Speaker 2: out of tradees.
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Speaker 1: Surely, if you're going to have high levels.
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Speaker 2: Of immigration, we can get to bring in the people
26:58
Speaker 2: with the skills that we need.
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Speaker 12: Well, I totally disagree with what Bragg is saying. Senator
27:05
Speaker 12: Bragg is saying about this because it doesn't make common
27:08
Speaker 12: sense that if you've got supply and demand, if you've
27:10
Speaker 12: got a huge number of people coming in and as
27:12
Speaker 12: of a couple of weeks ago, they were bringing in
27:14
Speaker 12: fifteen hundred and forty four per day.
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Speaker 11: They have to have somewhere to live.
27:18
Speaker 12: So the whole fact is, yes, it is a housing
27:21
Speaker 12: crisis due to high immigration coming into the country.
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Speaker 11: So that's ridiculous for what he's saying.
27:26
Speaker 12: And yes, if you don't have the people to actually
27:28
Speaker 12: build the house of construction workers, that is another problem.
27:31
Speaker 12: But they've been bringing in a lot of the workers.
27:33
Speaker 12: And who the migrants are, they're bringing in their families. Chris,
27:37
Speaker 12: we can't just flood the country with people who are
27:40
Speaker 12: not going to add skills to this country and bring
27:42
Speaker 12: in their families. And I say the same with the
27:44
Speaker 12: foreign students. You can't allow foreign students in and bring
27:47
Speaker 12: in their families and spouses and everyone else because we've
27:50
Speaker 12: you know, they're coming here to do studies. We need
27:53
Speaker 12: to tighten down, crack down on immigration into the country,
27:57
Speaker 12: and one nation will do will do it.
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Speaker 2: Got to have a I've said for a long while
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Speaker 2: that I've very supportive of immigration. You have to control
28:04
Speaker 2: it and the numbers have to be right, and we've
28:06
Speaker 2: got to have that debate now. Too many people are
28:09
Speaker 2: afraid of the debate because you screamed out as a
28:11
Speaker 2: racist or whatever. But we're obviously got too many people
28:14
Speaker 2: coming in at the moment and not the right people,
28:16
Speaker 2: and we've.
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Speaker 1: Got to fix it. I do you know.
28:19
Speaker 2: We'll come back to that big issue time and time again,
28:21
Speaker 2: no doubt.
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Speaker 1: But I want to go to a smaller issue.
28:24
Speaker 2: That you've highlighted recently through your social media.
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Speaker 1: Here's the clip.
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Speaker 12: I've come down to Canberra to do estimates some vestpers
28:32
Speaker 12: and I had to do some shopping because I like
28:35
Speaker 12: to cook for myself. And I guess what, I'm sure
28:39
Speaker 12: many of you are used to this. You buy these
28:41
Speaker 12: cheap rubbish bags that spit and break on you.
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Speaker 11: All the time.
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Speaker 1: I'm over it.
28:46
Speaker 11: I'm sorry angry about.
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Speaker 13: This and twenty five cents a bag.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure many of you.
28:53
Speaker 11: Know how I feel about that.
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Speaker 1: Of course I.
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Speaker 12: Had to buy it goodnight because I'm in Canberra and
28:58
Speaker 12: I didn't carry my own bag.
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Speaker 2: Sick me.
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Speaker 13: This is what you have to put up so for
29:04
Speaker 13: the cost living. I'm telling boys.
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Speaker 12: And Coles, get your app together.
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Speaker 11: With the bags.
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Speaker 2: I reckon a lot of people will be nodding their
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Speaker 2: heads pauling. By the way, if you need some shopping
29:16
Speaker 2: bags for your camera, flat the back of my car
29:19
Speaker 2: is chokers with all these permanent.
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Speaker 1: Bags because I always forget to take them into the
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Speaker 1: supermarket and tell me the truth.
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Speaker 2: Did that bag really break or did one of your
29:28
Speaker 2: staffers rip it for the video?
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Speaker 11: No, that will brak. I'm so angry with that. But
29:34
Speaker 11: the fact is, Chris, you won't believe it.
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Speaker 12: I've had fourteen and a half thousand comments and eighty
29:38
Speaker 12: five thousand years with that, with the tape, the people.
29:41
Speaker 2: Are supporting me.
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Speaker 12: Yes, we'll ease and Coles go and do something about
29:44
Speaker 12: the bags. They're ridiculous and what you change twenty five
29:47
Speaker 12: cents is over the top.
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Speaker 1: We used to get them for free.
29:50
Speaker 2: If they want to do that, they used to get
29:51
Speaker 2: them for free, given to them for free.
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Speaker 1: Now they're doing the environment of favor. Give us free
29:55
Speaker 1: paper bags. Fair enough. Thanks for joining us, Pauline, appreciate it.
29:58
Speaker 1: Pauline hands in their live caner. Now we got to
30:01
Speaker 1: go to a break.
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Speaker 2: After the break, I'm going to focus on that Alami's
30:06
Speaker 2: climate risk assessment. The government put out last month that
30:09
Speaker 2: an expert, Roger Pilke Jr. Is going to pull it apart.
30:17
Speaker 2: Oh labors climate scare campaign continues a month after they
30:21
Speaker 2: released the National Climate Risk Assessment.
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Speaker 14: Have a look.
30:26
Speaker 15: The National Climate Risk Assessment highlighted that Australia will experience
30:29
Speaker 15: climate hazards like floods, cyclones, heat waves, droughts and bushfires
30:35
Speaker 15: more frequently, more severely, and often at the same time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was in Parliament today. I showed you last
30:42
Speaker 2: month when it first came out that this report exaggerated
30:45
Speaker 2: the risks of global warming and ignored any benefits. It
30:48
Speaker 2: was typical alarmis stuff, preaching economic and environmental doom and
30:54
Speaker 2: downplaying the costs of going to net zero, even though,
30:57
Speaker 2: as I said earlier, we all know getting a stret
31:00
Speaker 2: zero won't make any difference to whether the world gets
31:03
Speaker 2: hotter or not. Anyway. One expert who cast his eye
31:08
Speaker 2: over the report was Roger Pilke Junior, a senior fellow
31:11
Speaker 2: with the American Enterprise Institute, and I crossed to him
31:15
Speaker 2: in Finland and asked about the main flaws in the report.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, well, thank you for having me. The first thing
31:22
Speaker 16: to understand is climate change is real.
31:24
Speaker 17: It's serious, and so risk assessments are necessary, and it's
31:27
Speaker 17: important to get risk assessments rate and for me, the
31:31
Speaker 17: thing that stood out for me right away was the
31:34
Speaker 17: basic input scenarios that were used to inform the reports.
31:38
Speaker 17: Scenarios are what shape how the climate impacts come out
31:42
Speaker 17: of the climate models.
31:44
Speaker 16: In a risk assessment, it's okay to use a high
31:46
Speaker 16: emission scenario.
31:47
Speaker 17: High emissions means a lot of climate change, but the
31:49
Speaker 17: higher emission scenario has to be plausible and plaswa means that.
31:52
Speaker 16: It could happen in the real world.
31:54
Speaker 17: And the first thing I noticed was that this report
31:57
Speaker 17: on the high end uses a scenario that's implus based
32:00
Speaker 17: on our research. It's a scenario called SSP three seven
32:05
Speaker 17: point zero. That detail is not important. What is important
32:08
Speaker 17: is that it projects more than twelve point five billion
32:11
Speaker 17: people in twenty one hundred. No one believes that will
32:14
Speaker 17: probably be closer to half that in twenty one hundred
32:16
Speaker 17: if demographers are correct about the collapse of population. And
32:20
Speaker 17: another big assumption was a return to coal energy, that
32:24
Speaker 17: the entire world will be transitioning to coal, such that
32:28
Speaker 17: coal makes up more than fifty percent of global energy
32:32
Speaker 17: consumption in twenty one hundred.
32:34
Speaker 16: That leads to massive, massive emissions.
32:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just not going to happen.
32:38
Speaker 2: As you say, it's not a real world analysis, So
32:41
Speaker 2: tell us also about the estimates in terms of insurance
32:46
Speaker 2: costs that are used in this report that you've focused
32:48
Speaker 2: on yourself.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, So one of the things that I found was interesting.
32:52
Speaker 17: I've done a lot of work on disasters and projecting
32:54
Speaker 17: future disasters, including in Australia, and what people should understand
32:59
Speaker 17: is that the big driver of the costs of disaster,
33:02
Speaker 17: I'm not talking about weather.
33:03
Speaker 16: I'm talking about the cost of disaster.
33:05
Speaker 17: Are more people, more property, and more wealth in locations
33:08
Speaker 17: exposed to extreme events like bushfires and cyclones. And I
33:13
Speaker 17: noted I was just in Australia recently that when the
33:16
Speaker 17: report came out, the headlines said, you know, forty billion
33:19
Speaker 17: dollars by twenty fifty due to climate change. And if
33:22
Speaker 17: you actually go into the report and track that number down,
33:26
Speaker 17: its reference to the twenty twenty four Colvion report.
33:29
Speaker 16: And if you look that up and you go to the.
33:30
Speaker 17: Forty billion dollars, you see it says this does not
33:33
Speaker 17: include any of the effects of climate change. So this
33:36
Speaker 17: is one of those games of telephone or Chinese whispers
33:39
Speaker 17: where where a number takes on a life of itself
33:41
Speaker 17: and shows up on headlines across the country and it's
33:44
Speaker 17: not based on the actual science.
33:46
Speaker 2: And there are also graphs that show the normalized cost
33:51
Speaker 2: of insurance from disasters in Australia.
33:53
Speaker 1: What does that tell us?
33:55
Speaker 16: So normalized costs.
33:56
Speaker 17: So because disaster costs increase as there's more people, there's
34:00
Speaker 17: more property, we adapt. After Cyclon Tracy came through in
34:04
Speaker 17: nineteen seventy four, there were improved building standards applied. So
34:09
Speaker 17: you can't just look at the rising costs to understand
34:12
Speaker 17: what's going on. You have to adjust them. And that's
34:14
Speaker 17: a process called normalization. And we helped introduce that into
34:18
Speaker 17: the literature a long time ago, more than twenty five
34:20
Speaker 17: years ago. And a group in Australia called Risk Frontiers
34:25
Speaker 17: for Australian Insurance group adjusts historical losses for societal change.
34:31
Speaker 17: And once you do that, there's no trend overall. It
34:34
Speaker 17: doesn't mean climate change isn't real or it's not serious.
34:37
Speaker 17: It just means we can't see it in that time
34:40
Speaker 17: series of loss data.
34:42
Speaker 2: Now, as you say, you've got to type this stuff seriously,
34:44
Speaker 2: you've got to look at climate trends and you've got
34:46
Speaker 2: to have rational risk assessments and What struck me about
34:50
Speaker 2: this report was it looked at all the downside from
34:53
Speaker 2: a warming globe of warming temperatures, but there are no benefits.
34:57
Speaker 1: So we just know that's not true. Not true.
34:59
Speaker 2: For if there are to be more deaths from hate,
35:03
Speaker 2: we know they're going to be more than made up
35:05
Speaker 2: for from fewer deaths from severe cult which kills more people.
35:09
Speaker 1: Even in Australia, let alone.
35:10
Speaker 2: Around the rest of the world. You've got to be
35:12
Speaker 2: upfront and honest about this stuff, are you, rather than
35:14
Speaker 2: just try and scare people with only the bad news.
35:19
Speaker 16: Yeah.
35:19
Speaker 17: So this is what's really important about government climate assessments.
35:22
Speaker 17: And I've often said I say that since in the US,
35:25
Speaker 17: if climate assessments didn't exist, we'd have to invent them
35:28
Speaker 17: because there's so much literature, there's so much contradictory claims,
35:31
Speaker 17: and for climate assessments to be taken seriously, they have
35:34
Speaker 17: to play things straight and even beyond not referencing the
35:39
Speaker 17: full picture of good news and bad news. One of
35:42
Speaker 17: the things I found remarkable was that the Australian government
35:45
Speaker 17: released a parallel report on the technologies and costs associated
35:50
Speaker 17: with being on track to get at zero and in
35:53
Speaker 17: contrast to the risk assessment. The cost report used a
35:59
Speaker 17: very aggressive of optimistic scenario for a minute, Yeah, where
36:02
Speaker 17: in fact they will peak and go down, and that
36:05
Speaker 17: made the costs look much lower.
36:07
Speaker 16: Than they would had they use the exact same scenario
36:09
Speaker 16: they used in the risk assessment. And for me, that
36:12
Speaker 16: was just a bit too clever.
36:14
Speaker 17: And it's the sort of thing that degrades public trust,
36:17
Speaker 17: or at least risk degrading public trust in government science assessments.
36:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so spot on, so typical.
36:24
Speaker 2: They exaggerate the costs of climate change and climate change adaptation,
36:28
Speaker 2: and they minimize the costs of their own renewable energy strategy.
36:32
Speaker 2: It is so common, and you've crashed through it to
36:35
Speaker 2: really appreciate your insight, Roger, thanks for joining us, Thanks
36:40
Speaker 2: for having me jus. Fascinating stuff, isn't it. They just
36:43
Speaker 2: want to pull the wall over our eyes all the
36:45
Speaker 2: time on this stuff.
36:47
Speaker 1: We've got to take a break.
36:47
Speaker 2: On the other side, form of Foreign Minister Alexander down
36:50
Speaker 2: It joins me. I've got to get his take on
36:52
Speaker 2: this Middle East peace plan. It's taking too long, isn't it.
37:00
Speaker 2: Let's go as we do every week to former Foreign
37:03
Speaker 2: Affairs Minister Alexander Downer joining us live from London this week.
37:06
Speaker 1: Good to talk to Alexander.
37:07
Speaker 2: We've talked a bit about the Trump Middle East Peace Plan,
37:11
Speaker 2: the Gaza War peace Plan. It's dragging on. There have
37:16
Speaker 2: been negotiations in Egypt. Harmas are pushing back. They want
37:21
Speaker 2: more removal of Israeli troops from Gaza.
37:25
Speaker 1: What do you see playing out here?
37:26
Speaker 2: Are they stringing everyone along or are we still dared
37:29
Speaker 2: to hope for piece here?
37:32
Speaker 1: Yes?
37:32
Speaker 13: I think we dared to hope for peace.
37:34
Speaker 7: But you can expect the negotiations to be difficult because
37:39
Speaker 7: harm US will try to spin them out for as
37:42
Speaker 7: long as they possibly can. That would be a characteristic
37:46
Speaker 7: tactic of an organization like that. But nevertheless, I think
37:51
Speaker 7: the critical factor here is the huge support that the
37:57
Speaker 7: Trump peace plan is getting from Arab leaders, and the
38:01
Speaker 7: fact that the Egyptians, the Jordanians, and importantly the Gulf
38:06
Speaker 7: states including Katar and Saudi Arabia right behind the plan
38:13
Speaker 7: and are putting pressure on Hamas to agree.
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Speaker 13: Is going to be a force for good.
38:20
Speaker 18: Also, there are it's hard to know what public opinion
38:24
Speaker 18: in Gaza really is, but there are some sun coming
38:27
Speaker 18: out of Gaza now that the Palestinian public have just
38:32
Speaker 18: had enough and want Hamas to agree.
38:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's strange that they should be arguing about where
38:39
Speaker 2: the lines are for the withdrawal of Israeli troops, because
38:43
Speaker 2: that's fundamental to the plan, and the original plan has
38:47
Speaker 2: Israel drawing back out of the Gaza city until Hamas disarms,
38:51
Speaker 2: and then pulling back almost to the borders of Gaza
38:56
Speaker 2: in the second stage of the plan. So it does
38:59
Speaker 2: look like they're buying time. What would they be doing
39:03
Speaker 2: with this time? Is it just to infuriate Israel? Would
39:07
Speaker 2: they be looking to secret out it. They can't really
39:10
Speaker 2: get any of their people out of Gaza. What's in
39:13
Speaker 2: it for them to delay the settlement?
39:17
Speaker 13: Well, survival is what's in it for them.
39:21
Speaker 7: If they can delay the settlement, if they can cause
39:25
Speaker 7: verbal conflict between the Arabs and the Israelis, between the
39:29
Speaker 7: Americans and the Israelis, if they can create controversy, then
39:36
Speaker 7: they buy still more time. And the more the Israelis
39:40
Speaker 7: can be blamed for any breakdown in the negotiations, the
39:46
Speaker 7: better the chance for hamas As survival. So that's what
39:50
Speaker 7: they'll be playing for. I don't think there's any doubt
39:54
Speaker 7: about that. So the important thing is that the Arab leaders,
39:59
Speaker 7: the Americans of course, and the Israelis force Hamas to
40:06
Speaker 7: strike the deal, and of course, first and foremost release
40:09
Speaker 7: the hostages and the bodies of the hostages that they've killed.
40:14
Speaker 13: Yeah, so the hope.
40:16
Speaker 7: That it works, because it's been a fantastic initiative, and
40:20
Speaker 7: let us hope it works.
40:22
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Here's what President Donald Trump had to say about
40:25
Speaker 2: it this morning.
40:26
Speaker 3: The primary guarantee is once this steal happens, if it
40:29
Speaker 3: does happen, Look, you're in negotiations right now.
40:32
Speaker 1: We are going to do everything possible. We have a
40:34
Speaker 1: lot of power, and we're going to do.
40:36
Speaker 4: Everything possible to make sure everybody adheres to the deal.
40:40
Speaker 2: Now, if you take the most extremist view of Hamas,
40:43
Speaker 2: they embrace death. They don't mind Palestinians being killed, probably
40:47
Speaker 2: quite happy for themselves to be killed in the end
40:49
Speaker 2: as well. Would they see rejecting this deal and forcing
40:53
Speaker 2: Israel to go into Gaza City to root them out
40:57
Speaker 2: as an alternative plan as because that might break this
41:01
Speaker 2: current synergy between the US, Israel and those Arab states.
41:07
Speaker 7: Well they might, they might do, but they have to
41:11
Speaker 7: be careful not now to lose the support of the
41:14
Speaker 7: Palestinian people, particularly as the peace plan is being supported
41:20
Speaker 7: by Arab countries surrounding surrounding Gaza. So it's difficult for them.
41:27
Speaker 7: But yeah, they might, they might choose choose death. They
41:32
Speaker 7: might think they can continue to fight on. But part
41:36
Speaker 7: of this negotiation is that Hamas is going to lose
41:41
Speaker 7: access to funds and access to arm and that's an
41:46
Speaker 7: important consideration as well.
41:49
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and the sooner that happens the better.
41:51
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Alexander.
41:52
Speaker 2: I appreciate Alexander down to their Live from London, Australia's
41:55
Speaker 2: longest serving foreign and I so just a reminder you
41:58
Speaker 2: can see that special documentary investorgation into the rise of
42:01
Speaker 2: anti Semitism in the wake of the October the seventh attacks.
42:05
Speaker 2: It's called October the eighth and it's going to be
42:07
Speaker 2: broadcast right here on Sky News Australia tonight at seven
42:11
Speaker 2: thirty Australian Eastern daylight time and six thirty PM that
42:16
Speaker 2: is in Queensland. It's a ripper documentary, quite compelling. I
42:20
Speaker 2: saw it a month or two back. Make sure you
42:22
Speaker 2: stick around and watch that tonight. After the break, we're
42:24
Speaker 2: going to have the Wednesday Wrangle with Anika to Giorgio
42:27
Speaker 2: and Justin Smith. We'll discuss Tony Abbott's solution to the
42:31
Speaker 2: UK's illegal boat crisis. Let's get into the Wednesday Wrangkle
42:40
Speaker 2: we got to Sky News Osannika to Georgia on the
42:42
Speaker 2: desk here with me and Din Melbourne. We've got columnist
42:46
Speaker 2: Justin Smith broadcast to author and mate, bloody, good job
42:49
Speaker 2: you got the email today telling you what time to
42:52
Speaker 2: turn up because there's a lot of emails go.
42:54
Speaker 1: And miss the base days.
42:57
Speaker 14: Well, you will find a lot of people in this
42:59
Speaker 14: world actually read emails anymore. I'm not sure if you've
43:02
Speaker 14: come across those kind of people, but ah, this is
43:04
Speaker 14: just this is just terrifyingly awful. And it's one of
43:08
Speaker 14: those that triple zero thing. It's one of those things
43:12
Speaker 14: that you need to be able to rely on. You know,
43:14
Speaker 14: you need to be able to rely on putting fuel
43:16
Speaker 14: in the car and you know, the sun coming up
43:19
Speaker 14: in the morning, and to be able to rely on
43:20
Speaker 14: triple zero is so important and that has just been
43:23
Speaker 14: shaken absolutely thanks to or no thanks to optus.
43:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one's got any confidence in it anymore. Denika optus. Yeah,
43:32
Speaker 2: just to backfill here, they revealed that their email to
43:36
Speaker 2: the Communications Department went to the wrong address. But there
43:40
Speaker 2: we are other emails that went to the Minister's office
43:43
Speaker 2: and to the AKMA authority. But also when it's something
43:47
Speaker 2: as important as a triple zero outage, don't you send
43:52
Speaker 2: an email us to make sure they acknowledge receipt? Don't
43:55
Speaker 2: you follow up with a phone called don't you shake
43:58
Speaker 2: everyone and make sure they know about it?
44:00
Speaker 19: Absolutely, you would have expected, Chris, that there would have
44:02
Speaker 19: been a phone call actually in the very first instance,
44:05
Speaker 19: given the significance of what has occurred here. To be honest,
44:08
Speaker 19: I can't believe that more than two weeks after this
44:10
Speaker 19: has occurred, heads have not rolled yet. Now there's confusion
44:14
Speaker 19: over the timeline of events as well. You've got the
44:17
Speaker 19: Minister in charge, Annika Wells, who I think has been
44:20
Speaker 19: an absolute disgrace on this matter from the very beginning.
44:23
Speaker 19: Last week she said I'm.
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Speaker 13: A new minister.
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Speaker 19: If that was her excuse, today we still don't know
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Speaker 19: what level of correspondence she had. She's been swanning about.
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Speaker 19: As we know, at the United Nations in New York,
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Speaker 19: there is a litany of failures and the bottom of
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Speaker 19: this is that people have actually died, people have died
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Speaker 19: in the process, and there needs to be answers.
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Speaker 2: People in desperate need rang Triple zero for help, didn't
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Speaker 2: get it and died, and yet the government just wipes
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Speaker 2: his hands. As Denika says, oh sorry, I was a
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Speaker 2: new minister. Here's the shadow Communications minister today.
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Speaker 1: It's a disgrace.
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Speaker 20: You've got the depart being advised, you've got AKMA the
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Speaker 20: regulator being advised, and you've got the Minister's office being advised.
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Speaker 20: Yet nobody could open an email and action it.
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Speaker 2: It is just extraordinary. Justin the other point that Danika
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Speaker 2: mentioned that I think this really rubbed salted the wound
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Speaker 2: for all Australians. This crisis had been revealed, this problem
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Speaker 2: was in the mix when Anika Wells still jumped on
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Speaker 2: a plane and flew first class to New York to
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Speaker 2: be at the United Nations when we had like three
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Speaker 2: other ministers there.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, it's outrageous.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I don't think the minister should have left the country,
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Speaker 14: to be frank, but it is not just politics here,
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Speaker 14: it's the entire system that has been set up. I mean,
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Speaker 14: because it's not just it's not a shock what has
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Speaker 14: happened with optics because it's happened before. The whole system
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Speaker 14: that's in place from these bloody companies that make a fortune.
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Speaker 14: I mean, anyone who pays their phone bills know that
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Speaker 14: you are paying top dollar in the world to have
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Speaker 14: mobile phone coverage in this country. You paid top dollar.
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Speaker 14: These executives make a fortune. The entire system is set
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Speaker 14: up for money making. It is not geared for safety,
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Speaker 14: as we've now seen, and that's where we've got to
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Speaker 14: We've got to make the biggest change. You know, I
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Speaker 14: don't even really know, to be honest, what the role
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Speaker 14: of a minister would be and something like this, but yeah,
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Speaker 14: heading off ovacy is not a good look.
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Speaker 2: Look, there's another area where the government is trying to
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Speaker 2: tell us that it knows nothing and does nothing, and
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Speaker 2: that's with the return of these isis brides and there's children.
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Speaker 2: Here's Penny Wog being grilled in Senate estimates.
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Speaker 21: Is the Prime Minister aware of how many isis brides
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Speaker 21: are now in Australia?
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Speaker 2: Well, I will take that on.
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Speaker 21: Notice you are here representing the Prime Minister, and my
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Speaker 21: question was squeally in relation to does the Prime Minister
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Speaker 21: himself know how many ISIS brides are now in Australia.
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Speaker 11: Well, I'll say that I think I've taken that question
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Speaker 11: on that.
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Speaker 2: As chair Tanika. They don't want us to know anything.
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Speaker 19: No, they don't want us to know anything. So we've
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Speaker 19: got a situation where the Foreign Minister doesn't know anything.
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Speaker 19: Tony Burke in the first instance denied the reports that
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Speaker 19: were reported firstly in the Australian. The Prime Minister then
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Speaker 19: denied the reports, and suddenly a week later the ISIS
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Speaker 19: bribes have arrived. I find it very, very difficult to
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Speaker 19: believe that labor knew nothing, nothing about these women coming
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Speaker 19: back into this country. Now, let it be known that
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Speaker 19: as soon as they left the country, Chris, they revoked
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Speaker 19: their citizenship, They betrayed our values to join the g
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Speaker 19: Hardy death cult on some g Hardy romance. Clearly it
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Speaker 19: hasn't gone as well as they have thought. They've tried
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Speaker 19: to come back. No, no, no, you're not Australian. And
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Speaker 19: you know what I found most breathtaking today Matt Fiselwait,
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Speaker 19: who's the Assistant Foreign Minister. He went on ABC and
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Speaker 19: he said a lot of these people would be Australian citizens.
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Speaker 19: They have a right to return to Australia. No, they don't.
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Speaker 19: They are not Australian citizens. They betrayed our values. Labour
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Speaker 19: has a lot of questions to answer right now, Chris,
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Speaker 19: and I think is an.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely by our citizens antraordinary.
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Speaker 19: But justin they betrayed our country from the moment they
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Speaker 19: left this country. That doesn't make them automatically allowed to
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Speaker 19: come back.
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Speaker 1: They've gone one.
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Speaker 14: Hang on a second, don't put ideas into my mouth here.
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Speaker 14: They're Australian citizens. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't be
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Speaker 14: answerable for what they've done. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be
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Speaker 14: facing the law. But you can't just turn around and
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Speaker 14: say somebody isn't an Australian citizen when they are. But
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Speaker 14: just on on what was happening in the Senates, in
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Speaker 14: the Senate Estimates Committee today, I think they should be
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Speaker 14: answering to it. Absolutely, we should be given we shouldn't
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Speaker 14: we shouldn't know that, you know, as you know, I
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Speaker 14: despire secrecy.
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Speaker 1: I think they should be telling us. The point is, of.
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Speaker 2: Course they do have Australian citizens ship and that's the problem.
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Speaker 2: But there were special laws pass to see that these
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Speaker 2: people could be blocked from re entry if they'd been
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Speaker 2: in fact aligned with groups opposed to Australia e isis.
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Speaker 2: So the government instead has just sat back and well,
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Speaker 2: actually it's done more than nothing. It's actually facilitated their return.
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Speaker 2: So it's got to be opening upfront with people about it.
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Speaker 2: We are just about out of time. In fact, we're
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Speaker 2: completely out of time. We're going to talk about gold
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Speaker 2: digging and already we're all gigging. We're all in favor
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Speaker 2: of it, as long as we're doing the digging, not
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Speaker 2: handing out the gold.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joy.
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Speaker 14: If it wasn't for what you paid me, I wouldn't
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Speaker 14: have anyone.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we'll catch you next time for next Wednesday.
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Speaker 2: No time for your feedback about what I had to
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Speaker 2: say last night on the anniversary of October the seventh,
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Speaker 2: but I really do thank you for all of your
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Speaker 2: feedback and your fantastic comments on that gruesome anniversary. Stay
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Speaker 2: tuned now for Peter Quedlin and don't forget October the
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Speaker 2: eighth at seven thirty