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Jeff Legwold joins Moser, Lombardi and Kane 1-11-24 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  the bud Light Studios as we head on out to the Ramos Law Hotline car
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  Accident You need Ramos Law medical doctor and attorney at Ramos Law, where we
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  find our friend from ESPN, Jeff Legwald. All conversations with Jeffer brought to
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  you by bet Save Colorado, the exclusive club for passionate gamers and betters around
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  the state. Legie, Good morning, Hello, big news Bill Belichick.
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  Bill Belichick is gone. I just need your straight up reaction. Well,
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  in a twenty four hour span, Nick Saban is going to Rich Pete Carroll
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  is moving out of coaching, and Bill Belichick is moving on from the Patriots.
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  That that's quite a twenty four hours in football coaching. I mean,
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  go ahead, Vic. The mere coincidence of it, though, do you
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  think any of them had anything to do with the other, or it just
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  boom, it unfolded just out of the blow. Well, I guess I
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  would say, Vic. I gotta believe Bill and Nick have talked at some
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  point about a lot of this. They. I mean, Nick was on
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  when I covered the Steelers. Nick was on Bill's staff in Cleveland way back
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  then. So I think certainly those two are longtime friends and probably have discussed
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  what the exit would look like at some point, you know, specifically,
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  did they know they were going to do it just close to each other?
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  I don't know that, but I gotta believe they've spoken about it, you
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  know. But Belichick is you know, I think coaching is so much more
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  difficult now than it was when George Hallis did it. I mean, George
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  Hallis's forty winning seasons are never going to be touched, but the competition he
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  faced in both strategic and talent weren't even close. So in my mind,
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  Belichick is easily the best coach of the Super Bowl era and likely, you
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  know, the one or two best coaches of all time. You mentioned the
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  exit, both Nick and Bill talking about that. It seems as though Nick's
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  exit is truly an exit from coaching. But Belichick's going to be in the
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  league at head coach spot next year, right I would think. So,
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  you know, the question is, you know, that's not an easy fit
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  for a lot of the teams that have openings right now. I'll give you
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  a quirky one I'd watch, and that's Washington because you know, Bill is
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  a Maryland native. He spends a lot of time there in the offseason.
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  And if Washington, you know, they got one hundred million in cash space,
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  they got five picks in the top one hundred, If they're up for
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  a few years of Bill Belichick and then going young at head coach, I
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  think that's an intriguing one to watch because they may give him the kind of
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  control you know, he may want, you know, at least a fifty
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  to fifty you know, control in personnel, if he doesn't want the whole
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  thing. But I think that's a quirky one to watch. The Washington has
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  made a lot of noise, the new owner, Josh Harris has made a
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  lot of noise about wanting a long term solution, and Bill isn't that that's
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  that's the issue. If you're if you're hiring him right now and you're another
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  team. He's not a long term solution. He may want a lot of
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  personnel control, even though yesterday he hinted that maybe that's not the case.
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  And you know, he's he's twenty nine and thirty eight without Brady. But
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  the Hall of Fame is full of coaches. It didn't do very well without
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  a Hall of Fame quarterback. I do agree with you, Leggy. I
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  think Washington is the best available job because of everything you just mentioned. I
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  really eight jobs are now suddenly open, a quarter of the NFL looking for
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  a head coach, and let's not forget what took place in Seattle. I
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  want to go to Pete Carroll because there's been this perception, and maybe it's
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  more than perception, that Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson were at odds and that's
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  why that split took place. And yet Pete Carroll out yesterday and there's Russell
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  Wilson his second post. I just read another post on Twitter. He's going
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  out of his way to celebrate Pete Carroll. Was that as big a rift
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  as we assumed? Or are we seeing it the right way? You know?
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  That got you know, I think people even who know him sort of
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  wrestle with Russell Wilson's public social media persona and then being around him behind the
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  scenes. You know, it's intriguing to me. And this happens a lot.
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  I've seen it a lot with coaches and Genie ms. Neither one of
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  them survives the split after they all sort of pushed toward a split. You
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  know, it's really It's really funny in the league that way. And I
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  always tell guys, if if you would just step back for a few minutes,
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  take a breath and figure it out, you know, you're still better
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  together than you are apart. And I think that was the case for Pete
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  and Russell both. And you know, you know how time goes as you
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  get older. I think you know, when you for anybody, I think
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  if a little time passes, you think about you know, maybe I shouldn't
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  have been so upset or so dug in about these certain things. So I
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  think what Russell's doing on social media is genuine. Doesn't mean they didn't have
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  issues, you know, a couple of years ago. Or Jeff he's compared
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  it to the current coach he just worked for, and he's like, man,
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  this guy was great. Yeah, this is easy, listen, well
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  what you wish for sometimes right, you just said it. That is I
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  think Leggie said it the best, like and Russ and Pete Carroll better together
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  than they were apart. Both of these guys don't have or assumedly won't have
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  the jobs that they split each other to find. We talked about this obviously
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  over the past few days. We haven't spoken to you yet on this show
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  since the after season presser. They kept the door open for us. Is
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  it really open or is that just lip service that's not open? But you
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  know, I you know, how is it really open? You know,
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  nobody said you're gonna have to cut your contract in half for it to be
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  open, or you're you're gonna have to compete for the job to be open.
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  None of those details. And I've asked around. I mean, I
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  think I think this is one of those, you know, perfect world things.
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  Yeah, in a perfect world it's open. Uh, But I don't
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  think Russell Wilson has any intention of staying here if they want to make him
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  carve his contract into five things. And I'll say this, I get a
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  lot of correspondence from from folks saying, why won't Russ or why didn't russ
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  play ball and all of this. You know, all I know is if
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  Russell Wilson would have held out in July, Greg Penner and Sean Payton and
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  George Peyton, I have no doubt, would have stood at a podium and
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  said he has a contract, he should honor it. And that's my beef
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  with all this. You know, Sean Payton isn't given any money back because
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  the team didn't make the playoffs. Greg Penner isn't cutting season ticket prices because
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  the team didn't make the playoffs. And I think it's I think sometimes it's
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  not right to frame it as the players should always give up the money.
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  You know, the Broncos negotiated these clauses. They had a chance to be
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  mad about them a year and a half ago. That's why I think in
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  this case, both both can be right, both can be wrong. I
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  understand, I understand what the Broncos did. I get it. You want
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  to move on, I get it. But I also understand if I'm Russell
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  Wilson and somebody says, readjust your kind, I said, no, I'm
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  not doing crap. You gave me this deal, we we agreed. I'm
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  not touching this. Yeah, we already sat at a table for a month
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  the figure this deal out, and now you want to come. You know,
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  I just don't get that part of it, but you know, hey,
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  that's just meh, but it is. It's an enormously impactful decision.
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  And you know, I think all involved, you know, when they were
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  out there talking this way, I think everybody was just too quick to say,
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  oh, we have a plan in place, we can be flexible if
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  you listen closely. They did admit at one point, yeah, we're not
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  going to be shopping in the big free agency aisle. And that is a
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  public admission of what they're headed for. And I personally, they have forty
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  four players under contract for next year. If they're twenty over the cap,
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  they have ten million of dead money already before they do anything with RUSS.
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  It's unlikely they're going to be able to keep their best free agents from leaving,
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  and it's unlikely they're going to be able to sign players better than the
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  ones who are leaving. I think their talent level takes a hit next year,
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  no matter what their playing is. Does that talent level take a hit
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  just by cuts or losing guys to free agency? Or do you foresee them
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  making trades in order to get more draft capital, because, as you said,
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  just one pick over the first two days the draft six overall for a
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  team that's going to be living in cap hell not only this year but next
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  year if they post June first cut Russ. They need picks. They need
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  young, cost controllable players, and the only way to do that is either
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  trading down in the draft, which fans would lose their minds over. I
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  feel like they got to move on from veteran players via trade. Well,
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  you got to have a market for those players, and if teams know you're
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  desperate, they're not going to give you anything for those I think it's wrong
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  for people to think trading their best players is the repair. I mean,
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  you trade passer can not only do you have a worst player replacing him,
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  you might never have a better one playing the position for the remainder of your
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  time as a fan of the team. So this notion that trading the good
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  guys is the solution now that twenty twenty four is gonna hurt no matter what,
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  and people need to sort of wrap their heads around that there are no
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  easy solutions here. Because they chose to do this to themselves because they chose
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  not to figure out a way to make it work with Russ. He mentioned
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  the staff Sean Payton did and his clos uram remarks the other day, do
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  you expect any changes to his coaching staff? Yeah, you know, he
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  seems perfectually frustrated with the offense pick and it may not be a huge change.
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  You know, it may not be assistance you know, people are familiar
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  with. But I've rarely seen a team go from one year to the next
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  and there's no change on the staff. So I'm assuming, you know,
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  there may be a few moves here and there, but I don't think,
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  you know, vance Joseph may get some interviews, you know, and in
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  some of these head coaching jobs, so you know, maybe they're some of
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  those things, But I don't think they've really sort of decided in house of
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  what those major changes I think were a couple of weeks from that, unless
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  he comes back and starts meeting sooner than he said he would. Yeah,
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  it's almost hilarious to because Peyton's coming in here and he's getting a pretty penny
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  to coach this team, and already they have to buy out Russell Wilson.
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  There's a lot of money going there. It just seems to be I'm gonna
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  do whatever I want. It's not my money. I don't care. Hey,
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  I need more money. Can you give me more money so you can
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  do what I need to do. That's the way it looks like to me.
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  Well, they're in a unique position again, you know. I mean,
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  you've been here your whole life, Vick. The Broncos have never been
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  the richest team in the league, and they're the richest team in the league
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  and it ain't close. So there is a challenge for Greg Penner and the
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  rest of the ownership group because they can never use money as an excuse.
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  You know, It's easy for a lot of owners to say I couldn't do
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  this because we couldn't afford it. The Penners, the Walton Penner group has
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  to sort of figure out other ways to explain things because they can afford anything,
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  and that puts them in a weird, at least sort of public position
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  because they can never say we couldn't afford it. I mean, they can
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  certainly say we didn't want to do it, whatever it is, but it
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  is unique. But I don't care how rich An owner is. I've been
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  around the league long enough to know at some point they come to you waive
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  the checkbook saying, hey, you know, where's my return on investment?
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  Buddy? Do you get Do you get a longer leash? Though? Does
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  does Peyton get a longer leash because of that checkbook? I don't know.
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  I guess we'll see. You know, a lot of it is just completely
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  dependent on what Greg Penner thinks of John Payton's you know, use of that
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  checkbook. Now, Sean Payton doesn't have personnel control. He does not have
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  complete personnel control of the Broncos. He has a huge voice in it,
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  but he doesn't get to say yes or no about everything, And I think
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  people need to sort of dial that back a little bit. He doesn't get
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  to make every movie he wants. They're gonna make a lot of them he
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  wants for sure, maybe the majority, maybe almost all of them. But
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  he doesn't get to make every movie wants. Greg Penner's gonna have to say
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  yes or no when you start doing things like Russell Wilson. You mentioned personnel
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  control, but the relationship with with George Peyton, I think it seems pretty
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  obvious that they work together because George is willing to fall in line with whatever
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  Sean wants. Correct. Uh, there's some of that. I mean Sean
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  knows he cannot possibly, especially during the season. George Peyton is Sean Payton's
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  eyes and ears when it comes to the players. You know, do we
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  want this guy? Does he fit? You know, if Sean Payton hasn't
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  coached him, I'm not gonna know as much about free agents and guys who
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  are waived, you know, guys who are on other teams practice squads.
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  I don't care what coach you are, whether it's Mike Shanahan here running personnel
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  or Belichick in New England. You need eyes and ears. And if your
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  eyes and ears stink, your roster's gonna stink. Uh. And Sean Payton
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  needs George Peyton. He's smart enough to know it. And I've been told
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  by everyone they get along when they work together. Now, you know,
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  at some point is George I don't know the answer to this, is he
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  gonna sort of miss being you know, unquestionably in charge of you know that's
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  not a fifty but and contractually to great they both answer to Greg Penner.
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  They both have an equal voice to Greg Penner, and it's up to Greg
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  Penner how he tips the scale UH and individual decisions. But George Peyton does
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  not answer to Sean Payton. He answers to Greg Penner, last one,
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  last one before he gets you out of here, Leggie, I want to
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  go back to the story of the day. The three head coaches Saban,
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  Carol and Belichick now out, Vic and I have been asking the audience here
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  rank those three coaches for me. Ah, well, just pure awe results.
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  You know it's Saban, Belichick, Carroll, NFL. It's unquestionably Belichick
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  Saban. For Belichick to do it, Saban did, he would have had
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  to win a Super Bowl as a head coach before the salary cap and after
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  the salary cap. Saban crossed eras did it at multiple schools, and he
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  changed the way people coached college football. He brought a pro personnel mentality.
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  They were the first school to have all these twenty three year old analysts analyzing
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  recruiting the way NFL teams analyzed the draft. They had actual draft boards of
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  recruits. People would people would come visit Alabama to simply see the board and
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  how it was constructed, and Saban allowed people to do that. He allowed
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  them to see how he did it. He changed everything about college football,
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  and he won more than everybody else doing it. And when he the maybe
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  one of the greatest defensive minds ever, decided that he was going to flip
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  it all and bust open the offensive formation and getting a shotgun and open everything
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  up, he changed the way that was done too. He adapted. He
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  was smarter than everybody else, and he figured out how a way to do
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  it that nobody else was doing. They're having a press conference in New England
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  right after the show ten am Mountain time, and I'm wondering how much of
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  that press conference is craft in Belichick, how it's going to look if it
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  at all resembles the press conference we remember watching Pat Bowl and Mike Shanahan here
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  in Denver. Well, I've always said Vic that that is the only time
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  I've ever seen in the league's history. I don't think Belichick is fired.
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  I think they're going to say, you know, this is an amenable party
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  that they both came to. This was fired, yeah together, and and
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  I've never seen that. I mean, we were in there for an hour
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  and and they both cried during the thing. I mean Pat had fired Mike
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  and he cried about it, and Mike had tears in his eyes talking about,
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  you know what the next season was going to look like. It was
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  an amazing thing. And I always felt like it really said a lot about
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  those two guys. They they knew it ended with a little conflict there.
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  I mean, Pat was really mad, Mike didn't want to make any changes
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  to the defensive staff after that blowout in San Diego. And yet there they
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  were, you know, big enough, close enough friends to sit there and
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  do it. And they didn't just do it. They really were heartfelt about
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  it. It was an amazing well, the most amazing things I've ever covered.
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  If he cries today, I mean it's no way. Yeah, I'd
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  love to see it. I wonder if he'll smile even, Oh, he'll
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  crack a smile. Right, there's no there's no ay. It's on to
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  Washington. I will say this. If I was Bill, I'd walk in
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  with all the Super Bowl trophies under my arm and I just sit down.
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  I'd put them right in front of me. Do I do I take them
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  with me? Is this? Someone give me a cardboard box? Yeah?
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  These come with me? Or what I mean what's the deal. Wrap this
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  up. I got things to do. Let's wrap this one up. He's
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  ESPN Senior Reporter Senior writer Jeff Legwald. All conversations brought to you by bet
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  Leggie, thank you so much for your time. Thanks Iles. We'll say it