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Bruce Bowen GOES IN on Spurs Title Chances, Luka Doncic's whining, Tatum's return | 03.04 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Beaumontie Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only
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  Speaker 1: give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is that time of week where we
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  Speaker 1: have a guest join us, coming to us live from
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  Speaker 1: San Antonio, East Fresno's own Bruce Bowen.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: You know what? I'm not going to let you do it.
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  Speaker 3: Starting off with East Fresno. You know I'm from West Fresno.
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  Speaker 3: It's West, my bad. No, you did that on purpose, man.
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  Speaker 4: No, I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: See, this time I did do it on purpose.
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  Speaker 3: That's what you do. I read the comments. People, all
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  Speaker 3: they want to do is hear us go back and forth.
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  Speaker 3: They want to hear me talk about, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to get you and all that stuff. But you
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  Speaker 3: know it's West Fresno.
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  Speaker 4: But you know what?
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  Speaker 1: What makes it so bad is I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: messed it up last time, but I'm not going to mess.
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  Speaker 2: It up again. And then I came out here and
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  Speaker 2: I messed it up again.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we doing.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Cause I'm happy to see you.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: This is always a good time. But we got you
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  Speaker 2: back here.
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  Speaker 3: I got, look here. I got this.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. This is my calming teeth.
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  Speaker 2: That's what you need.
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  Speaker 3: My calming teeth. Only when I deal with you.
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  Speaker 1: See, here's the worst thing about it, man. Bruce doing this,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, when I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to get Bruce, it ain't going to be about
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  Speaker 1: what side of Fresno. It's all the same Fresno to me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know no better. You know, like, well, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to get you. I'm going to get you. I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to start off. Look, this is the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Bruce Bowen, San Antonio Spurs legend, retired jersey. He was
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  Speaker 1: nice enough to let somebody borrow it, but I bet
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  Speaker 1: you ain't going to do that again, right? retired jersey
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  Speaker 1: number 12 up there in the rafters it's been a
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  Speaker 1: down few years for the spurs um it ain't down
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  Speaker 1: no more man like like when you watch this team
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  Speaker 1: what do you think because this is here's what i
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  Speaker 1: think is interesting and is a little bit different is
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  Speaker 1: the spurs had the luck of two superstars who were
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  Speaker 1: perfectly built for san antonio right david robinson into tim
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  Speaker 1: duncan and Victor is similar to them, but Victor got
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  Speaker 1: a different kind of star power and wattage to him.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like he's not he is of a much different personality
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  Speaker 1: than those guys are. But it still feels like this
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  Speaker 1: is San Antonio Spurs basketball.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yes.
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  Speaker 3: And to Victor's credit, I think San Antonio has been
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  Speaker 3: blessed with, I think, great thinkers of the game, high IQ,
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  Speaker 3: big men. Now, I've played with some big men that
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  Speaker 3: that elevator didn't quite get to the penthouse level. But
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  Speaker 3: to think about how they have gone about things, Victor
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  Speaker 3: wanted to be here. Now, you think about this. A
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  Speaker 3: guy that's able to go to an organization that has
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  Speaker 3: had successful foundation players, why wouldn't you want to? But
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  Speaker 3: on top of that, still staying true to who he
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  Speaker 3: is as far as his evolution goes. and his IQ
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  Speaker 3: to seek out knowledge in different places and not be
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  Speaker 3: afraid to tap into some individual that may be monks.
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  Speaker 3: Let me go spend some time in China to learn
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  Speaker 3: different things about how I can center myself in this
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  Speaker 3: great league that we're in. How can I seek knowledge
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  Speaker 3: from some of the former players that big men would
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  Speaker 3: never think about seeking knowledge from? Hey, Jamal Crawford, I
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  Speaker 3: like how crafty you were with the basketball. Hey, can
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  Speaker 3: you give me some time? Obviously, Hakeem allows you on.
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  Speaker 3: But just to say that one thing about Tim and
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  Speaker 3: David that I've always appreciated is how they've been comfortable
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  Speaker 3: in their own skin. And that's what you see in Victor.
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  Speaker 3: You see him comfortable in his own skin, but being
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  Speaker 3: so much different from a standpoint of, certain things that
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  Speaker 3: turn him on, certain things that turn him off. But
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  Speaker 3: at the same time, he has that same IQ of
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  Speaker 3: wanting to be a better version of himself.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you, and I want to get back
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  Speaker 1: to talking about current Spurs, but as you mentioned that,
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  Speaker 1: it got me thinking about something.
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  Speaker 2: I was talking to somebody about this the other day.
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  Speaker 1: Because of one bad playoff series, I feel like we
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  Speaker 1: have really slept on what David Robinson was like, like the.
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  Speaker 2: High end of David Robinson.
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  Speaker 1: Like even you, where you play with him after the
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  Speaker 1: back injury, you go look at the advanced numbers. David
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  Speaker 1: Robinson was still David Robinson just at 25 minutes a game.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you talk about the first big man that
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  Speaker 3: would beat guys up and down the floor. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you look at his frame and this is what I
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  Speaker 3: think Wimby had, had to deal with. People look at
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  Speaker 3: his frame and say, ah, He can't handle this. He
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  Speaker 3: can't handle that. But all of a sudden, what you
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  Speaker 3: see on the floor with Wimby is something that's truly special.
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  Speaker 3: But you're not accustomed to seeing that from somebody with
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  Speaker 3: his build. David had that build. But more importantly, he
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  Speaker 3: didn't allow the bigs to beat him up so much
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  Speaker 3: because he learned how to utilize his strengths more than
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  Speaker 3: anything else. So I have a big guy that wants
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  Speaker 3: to guard me on the block. Dave would take him
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  Speaker 3: out to that wing and catch and rip right through
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  Speaker 3: him and get to the basket. At that moment with
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  Speaker 3: him and Avery Johnson, how many guys were running the
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  Speaker 3: floor like Wimby does and what Dave was able to do?
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  Speaker 3: And they're just pointing at the rim. I mean, in
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  Speaker 3: full transition mode, not one of those things where you
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  Speaker 3: could see the lob coming, but a certain play in
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  Speaker 3: transition where that becomes part of the weapons that you
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  Speaker 3: use when it comes to your offensive game. Davis ability
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  Speaker 3: to block shots and stay with wing players at that time.
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  Speaker 3: It was something we never had seen before. So to
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  Speaker 3: see him do it, I mean, only other slender guy
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  Speaker 3: was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar that I can think of, or, or
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  Speaker 3: Ralph Sampson, who was more, I think in the lines
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  Speaker 3: of what Wimby is, but at another level and, and
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  Speaker 3: less upset about being that guy. Um, Only say that
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  Speaker 3: because it seemed like Ralph Samson was always fighting somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Like, why you so mad at.
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  Speaker 3: Me, brother? I mean, come on.
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  Speaker 2: Ralph in the NBA finals.
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  Speaker 1: Our guy, Howard Bryant, you know, he grew up as
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  Speaker 1: a Celtics fan. He hated Ralph Samson so much.
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  Speaker 2: So much.
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  Speaker 3: But, you know, that's the beauty of this is that
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  Speaker 3: Dave was not a guy that was, well, when I played,
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  Speaker 3: I did this. That, you don't ever hear from Dave.
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  Speaker 3: Dave was about what he could do to I think
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  Speaker 3: more importantly, add to his longevity in the game. And
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  Speaker 3: I played two years with him and it was interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I had heard the yoga that he did. And so
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  Speaker 3: I said, Dave, tell me about the yoga and what
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  Speaker 3: it does for you. And Dave hopped into a position. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, you're right. And I'm saying to myself, like, man,
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  Speaker 3: that looked like your abs really gotta be strong to
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  Speaker 3: do that. You know, meaning, please don't ask me to
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  Speaker 3: do it, Dave. But what he was doing, I think
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  Speaker 3: he was ahead of time as far as the way
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  Speaker 3: you have to take care of your body being that
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  Speaker 3: size so that you don't wake up with knots in
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  Speaker 3: your muscles and things of that nature. But he was
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  Speaker 3: funny in how he did things as well. Dave, he
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  Speaker 3: would just say, uh-uh, when you thought you were driving
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  Speaker 3: in to get, oh, no, not that one. No, you
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  Speaker 3: got to try that again. And it's just, it was
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  Speaker 3: humorous to me. But at the same time, he was
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  Speaker 3: sending a message that, hey, I may not talk trash
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  Speaker 3: like these other folks, but I do have something to
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  Speaker 3: say about whether you score or not. And so you
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  Speaker 3: think about that and you look at me being able
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  Speaker 3: to press up on guys, knowing that I had Dave
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  Speaker 3: back there. And even Dave, at his final two years,
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  Speaker 3: was still better than a whole lot of others that
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  Speaker 3: were in A-prime. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The thing that I find interesting between David and Victor
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  Speaker 1: is Victor is a much ornery character. Like, Victor seems
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  Speaker 1: to be, as my buddy Joel Anderson says, motivated by spite.
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  Speaker 3: See, and that's the beauty of Dave. Dave's a strong,
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  Speaker 3: devout Christian. And Dave would bless you, brother, for feeling
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  Speaker 3: that way about me. And I'm still going to give
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  Speaker 3: you 30 and 15. And whereas Victor, like, this is
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  Speaker 3: the thing. I couldn't stand it when reporters with little
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  Speaker 3: snide remarks, yeah, but you seem to walk up under
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  Speaker 3: him while he was shooting. Can you believe that, Bomani?
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  Speaker 3: They would say stuff like that on the low and
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  Speaker 3: it bothered me and I couldn't do much about it
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  Speaker 3: because I didn't have that intention of what they saw,
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  Speaker 3: but they would immediately say things like, oh, he tried
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  Speaker 3: to do that. He's a dirty guy. Now, that being said,
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  Speaker 3: I heard that, but I didn't say anything to it.
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  Speaker 3: Whereas Victor has heard all the folks talking about, ah,
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  Speaker 3: just take him on the block. He can't do nothing
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  Speaker 3: because all you have to do is be physical with him.
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  Speaker 3: Draymond knew that that was the only, that was the
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  Speaker 3: last line of defense he had on him is to
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  Speaker 3: try to be physical with him. Two years ago, Victor
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  Speaker 3: probably would have tussled with somebody trying to show how
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  Speaker 3: strong he is. Now, He sets them up to utilize
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  Speaker 3: their strength against them. And what happened when you press
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  Speaker 3: up on him on that underneath out of bounds play
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  Speaker 3: he spins and he's catching it for an and one
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  Speaker 3: that's the ultimate get back in that particular moment as
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  Speaker 3: far as i'm concerned.
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  Speaker 1: Take that Now, how good are the rest of them dudes? That's,
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  Speaker 1: I think, the most interesting question. Because, I mean, we
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  Speaker 1: got a pretty decent idea about De'Aaron Fox, who I
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  Speaker 1: think has done a good job of recognizing that, like,
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  Speaker 1: you playing with the guy, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like, don't lose track of what really matters. But he's
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  Speaker 2: been good.
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  Speaker 1: They got all these young dudes, but I feel like
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  Speaker 1: they could win the West, but everybody got the same point,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a fair one. They've never won anything, like
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  Speaker 1: a single solitary playoff series.
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  Speaker 3: And that's fair, Bomani. It really is. And that's always
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  Speaker 3: been my thought process with this group prior to it
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  Speaker 3: coming together quite like it is now. I always have
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  Speaker 3: shared with people that you need experience. You need that
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  Speaker 3: failure to teach you more than anything else. Case in point,
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  Speaker 3: this last game against the New York Knicks, they had
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  Speaker 3: 11-game win streak. And what stood out to me in
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  Speaker 3: that little moment was... Okay, what happens to most is
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  Speaker 3: when you get on a win streak, you become more
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  Speaker 3: concerned with the W's than how you went about being
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  Speaker 3: the best you could be and taking whatever happened. Now
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  Speaker 3: on those win streaks, this is why coaches are so
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  Speaker 3: thrilled when they come to an end. Now you will
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  Speaker 3: start listening to me again. Now I can coach you
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  Speaker 3: again because before I could coach you and we got
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  Speaker 3: on a win streak, And then it became skipping steps
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  Speaker 3: to get a W. We saw steps skipped in that game.
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  Speaker 3: And in those steps that were skipped, I'm sure Mitch
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  Speaker 3: was able to go back and film and say, hey, fellas,
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  Speaker 3: look at this. Look at how we just tried to
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  Speaker 3: get Wimby the ball in a rush and didn't really
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  Speaker 3: take note of how he was being played and how
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  Speaker 3: we could counter to maybe there's someone denying him. Those
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  Speaker 3: are the little things that those lessons of losing a
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  Speaker 3: win streak or losing a game you're able to learn from.
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  Speaker 3: In the playoffs, it becomes more heightened. Now you see
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  Speaker 3: so many things that only one that maybe have a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of a playoff experience that I can think
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  Speaker 3: of at the top of my head is Fox.
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  Speaker 2: And Harrison.
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  Speaker 3: Harrison Barnes. And Harrison Barnes, exactly. And what you have
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  Speaker 3: in those two are so valuable. The things that they
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  Speaker 3: can bring to the table are so valuable for a
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  Speaker 3: guy who's excited. You know, Vassell, excited. Kelton Johnson, excited.
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  Speaker 3: Being able to get to that point and feel like,
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  Speaker 3: oh my goodness, this is what they're talking about. Because
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  Speaker 3: I remember my first year in the NBA, I went to,
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  Speaker 3: it was my second year, I believe it was, I
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  Speaker 3: go to the Lakers, they're still at the forum, and
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  Speaker 3: they're playing the Portland Trail Blazers. And that's when the big,
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  Speaker 3: he was a tall, skinnier version, bouncy guy that went
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  Speaker 3: to Iowa State. Coutinho, no, not Coutinho.
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  Speaker 2: No, Kelvin Cato.
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  Speaker 3: Kelvin Cato. When Shaq dunked on him, but you bring
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  Speaker 3: up that clip, but when Shaq dunked on him, That
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  Speaker 3: was a moment where Calvin Cato realized that his defensive
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  Speaker 3: rotations needed to be a tenth of a second quicker.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that he was rotating late because he's never
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  Speaker 3: been in that environment and the way that Shaq stretched
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  Speaker 3: out on him, I still think about this one. And
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  Speaker 3: just the way it happened, I saw it coming. I'm like, uh-oh, uh-oh.
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  Speaker 3: And boom, it happens. Also during that time, that's when J.R.
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  Speaker 3: Ryder told the press, said, I own Eddie Jones. And
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  Speaker 3: every time he scored, he would pull his jersey a
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  Speaker 3: little bit like, I got heart, Eddie doesn't. And so
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  Speaker 3: all these different things go on during the course of
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  Speaker 3: playoffs where the game slows down and there's a focus
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  Speaker 3: that happens. teams aren't coming up with new plays, but
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  Speaker 3: it's about the execution of the plays that they have
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  Speaker 3: where you're saying, oh my goodness, this is truly special. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you look at being that it's Victor had
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  Speaker 3: a rookie of the year and not Vassell, but....
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  Speaker 2: Castle.
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  Speaker 4: Castle.
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  Speaker 3: What they have, Castle's ability to learn on the fly
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  Speaker 3: because I look at Castle as far as his ability
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  Speaker 3: to make the change in defense and I remember last year,
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  Speaker 3: there were a couple of times he opened up a
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  Speaker 3: little bit on certain guys and that gave them a
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  Speaker 3: driving way. Now he's become more physical and he's starting
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  Speaker 3: to really enforce his will on the defensive side, let
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  Speaker 3: alone the offensive side. You look at Harper, what he's
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  Speaker 3: able to do. We have so many different valuable options now. Now,
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to playoff basketball, who's able to play
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  Speaker 3: their role to a tee, who's able to understand how
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  Speaker 3: important it is to follow a game plan and how
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  Speaker 3: necessary it is to pay attention to detail. Those are
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  Speaker 3: the things, those are the things that you learn during
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  Speaker 3: the course of that time. But I feel like they
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  Speaker 3: can win a series and learn from that series and
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  Speaker 3: learn how more important things are because of that. It
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  Speaker 3: doesn't happen often, but I think that they're capable of
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  Speaker 3: doing that. All right.
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  Speaker 2: If you had to pick somebody in the West right now, though,
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  Speaker 2: which way are you going?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's hard. to not pick the champions,
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  Speaker 3: especially when they're in first place. So it's always going
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  Speaker 3: to be them. But I think even in the fact
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  Speaker 3: that if Spurs and OKC meet up in the Western
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  Speaker 3: Conference Finals, the only edge I would give OKC is
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  Speaker 3: the fact that they've been there before.
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  Speaker 2: Now, where are you on Denver?
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  Speaker 1: Cause I still think they got the best play on Denver.
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  Speaker 1: Cause I still feel like, oh, you're not here in Denver.
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  Speaker 1: You're not here boy.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's just, it's, and I only have to
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  Speaker 3: say this because they're missing the key component that you
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  Speaker 3: never see. Right. You never see Jokic get out of character. And,
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  Speaker 3: and what transpired in that, in that OKC game, I
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  Speaker 3: look at it from a standpoint of, no, you're the three,
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  Speaker 3: three time MVP. that can't happen to you. And I
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  Speaker 3: know people are going to say, well, he's human and
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  Speaker 3: he got to, sometimes you just have to. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: just saying, as far as the edge of you having
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  Speaker 3: something over someone else, you can never allow a moment
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  Speaker 3: to happen where you're saying things like, oh man, I
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  Speaker 3: lost my cool. And now everyone knows that I'm human.
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  Speaker 3: And Because sometimes it's just that mental edge that you
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  Speaker 3: have as an athlete, as a basketball player, football player,
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  Speaker 3: whatever it is. That's where you keep your edge. Whereas
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  Speaker 3: like a player like Kobe, he kept the edge on
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  Speaker 3: a lot of guys because of the mental aspect of
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  Speaker 3: not allowing them to ever feel like they got in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like this is.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like Denver's got the they've done it before.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about this the other day. It's like we
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  Speaker 1: give Minnesota no credit for the fact that they've been
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  Speaker 1: knocking on the door these last two years, right? I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that they're champions, just to be clear, but
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  Speaker 1: it is interesting. Anthony Edwards, he's like, I've seen all
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  Speaker 1: my heroes, and I've taken them all down at least once.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Every single one of them. He's like, I had something
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  Speaker 2: for all of them.
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  Speaker 3: That's scary for... a team going up against him because
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  Speaker 3: he can rally the troops, and there hasn't been many,
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  Speaker 3: rallying the troops kind of like Kobe, kind of like MJ.
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  Speaker 3: It was interesting to see their growth without Cat because
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: it becomes a different team. And yes, they're more wide open,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: but at the same time, I know we give the
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: French boy a hard time down low, But he's still
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: able to get things done on the defensive side.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Right. He's a good player.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Yes. He's a good player. Maybe it's because Shaq keeps
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: talking about him so bad. It's because everybody.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think any player in the history of the
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: NBA has ever been less respected in the course of
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: what will be a Hall of Fame career than Rudy Colbert.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: You know... And again, when you think of Rudy Gobert,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: do you ever think of highlights?
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: No.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I just saw the last one. Draymond Hattie. And it's
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: that picture of him. You didn't see him like, you
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: better get off me trying to choke me. It was like...
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: That's the part. But then you watch them in that
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: game in Denver. I'm watching them like, Rudy, why do
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: I feel this way? But again, it's part of the whole.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: It's Shaq. It's the pictures that we see. It's the things.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: It's the low lights that we see instead of the highlights.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: And he is, so getting back to facing that, team
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: with a leader like, ooh, man, AD is just, he,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: and I think what stands out about Anthony Edwards right
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: now is that whole confrontation with the coach. People made
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: more of it than they should have, but There's many
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: a times coaches are gonna say pass, hit the open man.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: But to see his fire, like, no, I got this.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: This is what I do. Yes, it is. But when
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: you have someone open, it's that moment with Michael Jordan
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: and Pax. And when Phil Jackson says, Michael, who's open?
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: And he says, Pax is open. Then get him the ball.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: And next thing you know, in L.A., Michael does it once.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Michael does it a couple of times. But it's what
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Michael created first and foremost that we understand what he's
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: able to do before he starts getting it to the
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: open guys. So I think this is what's scary about
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards is that what he's doing, as you said,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: taking down everybody. When you see LeBron James, now listen
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: to LeBron at the All-Star game. Hey, man, I love
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: what I see in AD. I want him to keep going.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Now you got people that you've had on the hit list,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: so to speak. Now they're giving you compliments like that? Ooh,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: that's scary, Bomani. That's why you never heard me say
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: nothing positive other than the generic, He's a great competitor.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: That's what he does.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: You're not going to hear me praise no Vince Carter.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: You and Vince.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: You're not going to hear me praise no Ray Allen.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: We wouldn't hear you praise Vince Carter because you just
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: not go praise.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: We wouldn't hear you praise Vince Carter right now.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Sure. I think he was the most talented guy. He
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: just didn't have that. that other piece that was necessary
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: some people say the Wizard of Oz I like to
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: say the Wiz you know ease on down ease on
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: down the road what I love.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Here what I love here is that you were like
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I will.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Compliment him knowing the whole way that in the tuck
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: you was coming right behind it but talk about that
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: man's ticker.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Well I'm on the right time right There's no better
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: time than the right time.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Like, I'd love to get your list because Vince is
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: the only one that I know.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Like, nobody excites you quite like Vince when it's time
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: to talk about what ain't.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, Vince has some choice things to say.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: And I just felt like in our time, Ray Allen,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: he could have talked to me too. But Ray and
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: I were good. It's just, it was a spirit of competition. Whereas,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I look at what, and this is all jokes aside,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Vince was the most talented guy. Like, playing that position,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: he had bounce. He could shoot the ball. It wasn't like,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: back up, back up. He can't shoot. That wasn't the case.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Vince got kicked out of a game with me, and
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: he had, like, 38 points. Like, I remember Manu in
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: the locker room right after the game said, Bruce, I
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: don't care what you say. You could talk about my mama.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I got 38 on you. I'm going for a career
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: high on you. But that was the difference in Manu and, say,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Vince Carter. Vince allowed those moments of emotions to get
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: to him. And who ends up winning? The cooler head
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: always wins. The cooler head always prevail. So I understood that.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: So if I know how to push your buttons, then do-do-do-do-do-do.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Set to blow up in the third quarter at this point. Engage.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: It's so fun to know that you weren't accidentally like this.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: You were really doing the math.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I tell you, man, I would sit and listen. I
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: observe because I think I like to observe people and
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: how they do things. But I remember being at a
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: place and it's the summertime and this is a star
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: in the league. And he tells me, hey, you know,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: every time we play, you kind of you hit me
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: a little bit after the shot. You're not supposed to
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: do that. I said, oh, I'm sorry. My bad. That's
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: my bad.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Very tough.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, shoot. He don't like it when I.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Man, when these guys started saying all this stuff, I'm recording.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Like, really? Oh, my goodness. I'm getting back to the
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: crib like, yo, guess what I just found out? In
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: those moments, it's like, in the most adverse situation, fourth quarter,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: let me see How true this is. Let me poke
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: the bear a little bit. Next thing you know, man,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: I'm getting such a reaction. I didn't know that. But
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I only knew because they shared that with me.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: They just told you, huh?
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: So thank y'all.
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  Speaker 1: I guess this is what, I want to talk to
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  Speaker 1: you about the Lakers, but I just had.
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  Speaker 2: This moment where I thought about this.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: The Clippers are the most interesting defense team that isn't
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: really winning.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Why you got... You know I got fired for my
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: comments with the Clippers. You know that.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I thought you... I thought that you would let that go.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. I didn't say I was mad about it.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: I just said, you know... I did. I did.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I did. See, this is what was happening right now.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I know you're such a stand-up dude that I can
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: trust you to be fair, right? Because what is interesting
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: about it is.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: They looked terrible. Then they looked great. Then they gave
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: up on the season.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: But Kawhi Leonard has been incredible this year in a
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: way you rarely see for a guy playing on a
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: team that doesn't matter.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Well... I think because of all the stuff that's going
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: on around Kawhi, it's been one of those situations where
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Uncle Dennis is like, hey, man, look here, we can't
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: back it in. We still got a job to do.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: And it goes to that part of professionalism that he's displaying.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, it's how the
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: foundation is within that organization. I think they have a
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: great coaching staff. Great, Coach. B. Shaw, my man, you
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: talk about hero, mentor, all that. You have that in him.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: He knows how to connect with players. Now you got
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Jeff Van Gundy as an assistant who loves the game
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: of basketball. You know, the Van Gundys, period. They just,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: they're born with knowledge of the game. And Ty Lue,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: NBA champion, NBA player, a champion as a player, you
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: have what's necessary there. But then you have Mr. Frank.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: That's where, like, everything has to line up in a
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: way accordingly that's going to continue to allow you to build.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: The fact that they, I love that they got ahead
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: of the situation with James Harden, but it still puts
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: them back in that scenario of, what are we talking
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: about here?
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Come on.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Sometimes the Clippers just can't not get clipped because they
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: the Clippers.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: But hey, the Lakers, I say this, the Clippers, it's
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: been an interesting season that they could wind up getting
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: out to play in and feel good about themselves if
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: they got there, right? I don't think there's anything that
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: could happen to make the Lakers feel good, right? Like
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: you have Luka Doncic, you have LeBron James, and you
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: guys will be lucky if you win two games in
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the first round.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Bomani, there's this thing, and I say this to all
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: leaders when I'm coaching, whether it's corporate setting or giving
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: a motivational speech or coaching my 14-year-old group. To whom
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: much is given, much is required. So you've been blessed
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: with a certain skill set. And because you've been blessed
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: with a certain skill set, it is so important that
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: you do all the little things that others will be
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: able to see a leader in you that they can
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: get behind. Allah, you have LeBron James on the same
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: team with Luka. Luka could look at LeBron and say, man,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: look at what he's done with his body for the
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: amount of time he's been in the NBA. Usually by
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: somebody's 38th year, or I should say being 38 years
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: of age, you no longer see cut up. You start
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: to see a little fluff going on that muscle because
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: they're not working out like they used to. But that's
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: the example that you see in LeBron, getting out on
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: fast breaks. If he turns it over now, I mean,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: if there's anybody that gets a pass, it's a 40-year-old
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: getting back on defense. But when I see someone steal
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: the ball from Luka, and he barely attempts to get
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: back or he's chatting with the ref because he feels
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: like he's been wronged. He hit my hand before he
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: hit the ball. That's where I have the issue of
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: you are a leader. What message are you sending to
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: your teammates on the bench? When you don't go hard
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: because you didn't feel like you got the fair call,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: I have an issue with that because I've been around
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: some greats that it didn't matter Okay, that's what you
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: want to do? You fouling me. Okay, but they're not
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: going to call it? All right, I'm not going to
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: go complain to the official. I'm going to go right
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: through your nose in order to make my point. Tim Hardaway,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, before he got up in age, competitor. Went
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: at guys. Oh, yeah, that. Yeah, that. The UTEP two-step.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Watching him. Watching Zoe knowing all he got is a
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: jump hook. He gonna jump hook you to death or
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: he gonna dunk on you. But the spirit of competition,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: you notice I didn't bring up my other two centers
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: that just would outthink you, outmaneuver you, and Tim Duncan
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: and Dave Robinson. That doesn't need to be said. But
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: to watch a guy who is a critical piece, especially
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: after what he's gone through in order to get there,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: you would think that from that failure of being traded,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: that it showed Luka that, man, I need to get
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: myself together. I need to make sure that that version
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: of what they saw in Dallas is not a version
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: they'll ever see with me as a Los Angeles Laker.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: But what I see is some of that remnants of
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: what used to be still showing up.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought this was going to be show and
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: prove here.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Well, think about this. The beginning of the year, he
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: came in a little slimmer.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It did happen.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: But, you know, old habits die hard. I get it.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: But he can, with his talent, with his skill set,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: he should be doing, I mean, it should not be
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: clips of us asking or watching J.J. Reddick, you know,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: trying to talk to him and he pouting and things
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: like that. Again, Come on now. It's something to call it.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: It's something to call accountability in this. But Manu, you
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: have a boss to answer to. You can't ever think that,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: oh man, shoot, I'm the one. Now you may feel
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: like you're the one, but you can't ever act like
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: that when you're not bringing what you're supposed to bring
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: to the table or else they will what? Find someone else.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: And I know that that sounds harsh, but in reality,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: that's truly what it is. or you become handcuffed by
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: a player and his lack of effort from time to time.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: And you don't want an organization like that. Those organizations
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: don't accomplish much in life.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Now I want to go to the East and I've
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: talked about this on the show and I've talked about
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: this with you a little bit, but we didn't really
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: get into it. I'm curious because you have much more
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: experience as a, obviously as a professional basketball player, I
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: can only assume that if the Celtics bring Jason Tatum back,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: everybody medical involved somehow thinks that this is okay. Okay
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: and a good idea are two different things. I would
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: have never dreamed of bringing him back out there this year.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: they seem like they're going.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: To do it.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: And like the idea is, and I'm curious what you
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: think about this is if Jason Tatum was going to
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: come off the bench and be Vinnie Johnson and just
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: gun for 15 minutes a game.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe that works, but I don't, I don't know how
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: you just drop Jason Tatum in coming off an Achilles
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: with as much uncertainty as we'll have about what that
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: means about what he has to provide. And everybody like,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I just feel like you look around. I'm like, Oh,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: this is normal to everybody. I feel like I'm the crazy.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: It, Well, first of all, thank you for giving me
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: that experience of being a player. You know, it's very
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: rare that I get those kind of compliments from you, Bomani.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: But I like to go back to this. Celtics years
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: ago had a player by the name of Isaiah Thomas.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: And he had an incredible year. He was building up,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: carried the team, dealing with so many emotional things. He
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: lost his sister. and just certain things in life was
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: taking a toll. But he gave his all to that organization,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: playing hurt. Now, as time went on, they found out
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: that maybe he shouldn't have been playing. And I get it.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: This is a business. But at the same time, I
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: started off today, you and I were talking. I talked
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: about how as you get older, you got to be
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: able to conform with the newer nuances of whatever the
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: game is, whether it's new offensive plays, whether it's different
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: ways of handling a medical staff. But your investment is
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum is not a guy that comes
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: off the bench. Jason Tatum is an individual that's going
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: to have the ball in his hands for quite some
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: time because of how good he is. Now, if it's me,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at it from the standpoint of I want
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: to protect my assets. Is it better for me to
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: have him now or let's start off with a week
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: of training camp and go from there next season? Right now,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: they have a flow with how they do things. I
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: play for the Miami Heat and I remember when Alonzo
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Mourning started coming back to practice, he sat out because
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: of the whole kidney issue and never knew if he
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: would play again. But then he showed up at practice
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: and he was doing conditioning drills and things like that.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Then he started practicing with us And at this time,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Anthony Mason, rest his soul, was an all-star for us
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: and our team MVP. He was playing the four position.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Brian Grant was at the five. I was at the three.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Eddie Jones at the two. And Tim Hardaway was at
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: the one. And so Zoe starts practicing with us. And
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: I'm like, hmm, Zoe's coming back. I don't know what
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: to think of it because I'm the player. All I'm
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: looking at from standpoint is, Hey, it's Zoe. He's going
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: to give us what he used to give us. Well,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Zoe was coming off of a kidney transplant. And because
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: of that, there were certain things we just didn't know
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: if he would ever get back to that player. So
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I say that to share this. We start, we play
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: a game. We're incorporating Zoe back in. Mace is unhappy,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: not because he doesn't like him, but because the flow
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: of the game changed. Now the ball was no longer
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: in Mace's hands. and Mason making decisions. Now, Zoe is
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: pounding the ball, getting to his shot, and it's created
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: a disruption. Now everyone is suffering because of that. Maybe
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Zoe shouldn't have come back during the season quite like
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: he did. Now I say, looking ahead, what if now
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Jalen's not able to get to touches, or not even Jalen.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: It's going to be a role player that's not going
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: to get touches because Jason is taking a bulk load
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: of the shots. It's nothing against Jason Tatum. It's just
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: the disruption that happens during the course of a season,
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: or let alone the chemistry of what you guys got going. Again,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: let me state this because somebody's going to hear this,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Bruce Bowen, and say that Jason Tatum shouldn't play because
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: he's terrible. That is not what I'm saying. He has
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: to go through a litany of different things. Do we
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: trust the explosion again? And all the things of what
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: happens during the course of games. How do you make
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: the adjustment? I don't know if that's necessarily the thing,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: but if it's me, I'm protecting my asset, especially in
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: today's game, and utilize this year off to allow him
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: to kind of get his body back together and see
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: the game in a different light.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you, this is my feeling.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: If you're not going to play Jason Tatum 36 minutes
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: a game, I don't think you can put him in
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: front of Joe Mazzulla because that is a crazy person
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: who really only knows how to go hard. And I
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: say this as a compliment. Like, I can't believe how
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: much I've come to, I don't know this man, but
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I've come to love.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Him, right?
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Like, I appreciate, there's an outright sincerity and he's trying
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: to win all of this.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: You know, he a little different.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: We like to call it no fluff.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: All he knows is what is directly in front of him.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: That is all it is. But you're not going to
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: give him Jason Tatum and he'll be like, cool, I'll
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: just play him 10 minutes. His brain does not operate
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Can I just give you this? When Joe was at
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: West Virginia, he didn't play a lot his freshman year,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: sophomore year. He didn't play a whole lot. But he
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: got to start against Kentucky in the NCAA tournament, I
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: believe it was. And they beat him, and he has
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: 17 points. But what he talked about in his post-game interview,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: it wasn't, yeah, you know, coaches finally realized what I
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: could do, and I'm just happy I got a chance
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: to do it. That wasn't what he said. What he
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: talked about, he said, my freshman year, because of our length,
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: I said, man, we could be a really good 1-3-1
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: zone team, and if we could just incorporate things because
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: of our length. My point in all that? as when
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: others are trying to get buckets, he's thinking about the
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: game at another level. No fluff. He is about that
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: life of how can I make this group better? Oh,
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: he's with me? Let's go. 38 minutes. Absolutely. 30 plus minutes.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Because with coaches that are always thinking of making it better,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: they do not like seeing players that can't play suit
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: up because they will make the mistake of saying, so-and-so,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: get in there for so-and-so. So for him, He doesn't
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: need to see Jason at all if he's not going
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: to utilize him. Once he starts seeing Jason, now it
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: starts happening. Sorry.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: And then somebody got to be the one to try
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: to explain.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: It to him. Who going to out-explain? Who going to
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: out-explain why this is not good? Brad can't even do it.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Brad can't even explain that to him. And look,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I give Brad credit. Ime, I think, was a fairly
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: obvious hire. Or that was one that a lot of
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: other people would have made. Now, when he hired Mazzulli,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: he was in a position where he kind of had
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: to because Ime, right?
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: And I thought in year one, we were like, hey,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know about this.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: And in year two, when they brought Cassell in as
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: an assistant, I don't know about you, but my thought
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: was your replacement is right there if you don't get
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: this straight. And nope, it's worked. And then this year,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: this has been coach of the year level stuff that he.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Has managed to done. Dude, got to give it to Brad.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Brad was like, nah, I think I see something in
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: this dude.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Well, you think about Brad's mindset, how he thinks the
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: game and how he's a great thinker of the game.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Even at Butler, you know, what he was able to
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: do there. So I think it gets kind of brushed
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: off to the side of when they were putting a
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: staff together, what Brad saw in Joe. He saw that
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: person that we see now. And a lot of times
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: in these situations, Brad is so proud of what Joe
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: has been able to accomplish, not because it's tagged to him,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: but because these are the things that Brad saw. And
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Brad didn't know if Joe would ever get an opportunity
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: within the Celtic organization To be able to do this. Now,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: that's not to say that Joe wouldn't have gone elsewhere
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: and maybe had a head coaching opportunity. But within this organization,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: no one knew that the whole email deal would happen
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: the way it did. So more than anything, Brad is
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: thrilled with the mind that he knew Joe had because
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: we're talking about a guy in college again. nobody. I
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: know my teammates weren't thinking about no doggone 1-3-1. I
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: had some thugs. I had a guy hit our coach
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: one time at practice.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: At Fullerton?
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: At Fullerton.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Man, that was the.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Last time I saw that brother. When he punched me, pow!
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: And he walked straight out of the gym. Now, the
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: coach was over there like, you, you, you, you, you, you. Yeah,
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: I'm like, nah, coach, he went that way. Oh, coach,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: your eyes are a little crossed right now. But That
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: was the last time I saw that player. But, you know,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: I had players like that. Guys weren't thinking on that
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: level of like it's only been few that I've been
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: on the bench with. Like Jack Vaughn is another one
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: that that is a great thinker of the game. And
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: to see him go back to Kansas now and and possibly,
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: you know, lead that group. It only makes sense.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the Pistons because I
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: know Bruce Bowen well, and I know the kind of
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: team that Bruce Bowen going to like.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: And that is a Bruce Bowen team right there. I
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: see you can't even sit still talking about him.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: I can't.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: I will say this. I'm going to go another direction.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Of course, what Bickerstaff is doing there, I love it
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: because he's just come in and connected with those guys.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: I think when it comes to NBA, it's truly about
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: your connection with players. And it starts with Cade Cunningham.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: I saw K when he was a sophomore in high school.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: I used to work this or observe. I said work
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: on accident. Whoops. But the Nike league camp, man, and
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: he would, he would compete against all these guards. And
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: at that time it was Jalen green. He and Jalen
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: green were the one, two, one, two. And K would
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: come down, man, get an M one. And you know, everybody. Okay.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Get hit. He just turned around, run back on defense.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: And.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: I saw it in him his senior year, then I
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: saw it when he was at Oklahoma State. And I'm
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: so proud of that group because of what he has
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: as far as the leadership there. Detroit has always had
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: great leaders. Joe Dumars, Chauncey Billups. And now you enter
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: into the mix as players on the floor, Cade Cunningham.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: You take Amir, not Amir Johnson, it's his twin.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: No, you're talking about Assar. Who?
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: I'm like, how did you get two kids with all
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: that athleticism? Him going up against Jalen Brunson last year has, again,
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I talked about we only learn in our failures. That
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: moment in time will always be in his head. And
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: that's only going to make him better. The big man
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: down low. Man, I almost want to call him Orlando
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Woolridge because he looks so much like him with that zero.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: You talk about enforcer, you gotta have somebody that got
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: your back, man. And he for sure got everybody's back.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Let him come on in here. I'll show you what
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna do to him. Well, he got guys scared
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: to drive the ball.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Well, and then they bring Stewart off the bench.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Like, it is amazing It is amazing that the Pistons,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: this is the third incarnation of this model that they
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: have broken out of a team.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: It works. Omani, it works for them. I can't think
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: of another organization other than San Antonio where you put
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: a centerpiece as far as a big man and you
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: build around it. It's the hard work. It's the lunch pail.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: I'm bringing my hard hat. It's those things that work
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: in Detroit. You don't have Detroit as a, hey, we're
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: going to get up and down. We want to shoot 27,
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: 43s a game. No, that ends up just a bad
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: team in the East. We have enough of that. So
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: you get a team that can buy in on that
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: aspect of things. We're going to work hard. We're going
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: to do everything that we need to do with purpose.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: And I love what Bigger Staff and his staff is
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: doing down there with that.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: What do you think about your man Stewart?
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Which one?
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Isaiah.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Oof.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, Bomani, it seems like there's always mess. But
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: the thing is, he got a little Ron Artest in him.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: from the standpoint that it was like, hey, hey, hey,
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: come on back over here. Don't go over there. Don't
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: go over there. But he's like, nah, nah, nah.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I got to go over there. Nobody ever called the
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: cops on Rod.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: That dude put his son's car on the cops.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: So, but now I know we joke about it and
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: that's all it is, ladies and gentlemen. It's jokes because,
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: but Somebody is able to connect with him. And this
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: was his way to get in. And yes, you are
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: an enforcer as well. But let's, as they say with
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: deli meats, let's curate it to a point where they're
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: not calling the po-po. Yeah.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: We got to stop there.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Because at first, I was judging that man for calling 5-0.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: And then I think it was Obi-Wan who hit me
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: up and was like, nah, he the one that's in
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: this situation. Apparently, it sounded like he had been told
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: that it was on-site in perpetuity.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: I know we come from that generation where there was
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: a fight, but then they let it go. I think
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: the worst... The worst one was Doug Christie and Rick Fox,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: two light-skinned brothers.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: It was beige rage. It was a lot of beige rage.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: I'd never heard that word, beige rage. But I mean,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: they really took that thing to another level because we
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: pretty boys ain't supposed to do that. But can you
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: imagine some of those folks that's like, yo, dog, I'm
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: out of the mud. I don't care about this. When
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: a person says they don't care or say less, that's
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: bad news to me. That's bad news to me. But
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: there was a player, he went to Wake Forest, played
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: with the Heat, Johnson.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: James Johnson. James Johnson know Kung Fu, one of them.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Man, look at him. I would probably apologize him if
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: I fouled him. Hey, brother, look here. I am so sorry.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: That was not intentional. The only other person I could
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: think of in that situation was Charles Oakley. Oak still
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: might smack you. I was at the Bellagio one time,
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: and we were on a craps table, and Oak just
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: got back into the Bellagio. And we gambling, and we
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: having a good time. Now, Oak got a bunch of
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: chips that he's putting on the come line. And this
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: is new to me. I only know Blackjack. I know
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: how to count to 21. Okay. So I take one
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: of my chips and I put it down there like, hey.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: And 12 came up. So 12 pays like 30 to 1,
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: the odds there. And so they give Oak all his chips.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: And I said, what about mine? And the guy was like,
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: you put it down too late. And Oak said, y'all
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: better pay my boy his money or else ain't nobody playing.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: And I was like, they gave me my chips, Bomani.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: I left. I was like, mm-mm, mm-mm. No, no, no, no.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: I just, there's just a mm-mm. And he was helping
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: me out.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's about it. He scared the Jesus out of me.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: That time he was helping you out.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: That's the part where it's like, ooh, man, what if
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: he was mad?
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say this. You've been to Cade Cunningham.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: I watched Cade Cunningham play one game in college. It
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: was at Oklahoma State. It was either the conference tournament.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Or it was the NCAA tournament. I can't remember which.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: And what always stuck out to me was after every play,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: he was the bring it in dude. And I watched
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: how fast all those other dudes ran to him. when
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: he brought it in. And I was like, oh, we
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: got something going on here. Like a Mike Conley type
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: of situation. Where I wasn't, he's a better player than
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Mike Conley. At that time, I wasn't sure exactly how
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: good he was. Like my question for him at the
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: NBA was, like it was with Mike Conley. Your team
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: has to be a certain level of good for you
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: to get the Mike Conley benefits out of it.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: But if y'all are sorry, Mike Conley can make you better.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: But if you're good, Mike Conley can help make you
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: very good.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: And I think that's because of all the noise surrounding
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: him going to Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State had hired his
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: brother the year before. And at least that's what I
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: remember in that scenario. But you cannot put a price
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: tag on leadership. Leadership is something that's not about the
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: price tag. It is who the individuals are. You brought
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: up a great point in Mike Conley. There are a
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: lot of people that felt like Mike Conley shouldn't be
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: in the NBA. There are people that thought less of
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: him because he played with Greg Oden in college, as
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: well as the AAU scene. But what you've been able
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: to see from Mike Conley was something that has always
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: been who he was. He's been a great leader wherever
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: he's been. And so when we talk about Cade, You
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: talk about a leader that's tough. You know, when they
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: played the San Antonio Spurs and he chucked Wimby, it
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: wasn't all like, no, ref, he ran into me. No,
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, I did it. And that's what you
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: want from your leader. But also the leader that he
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: hit also knocked down a three the very next play. Yeah. Yeah.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: I got one last thing with you, Bruce Bowen, before
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: we get out of here, because we were talking about
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen with the Celtics if they bring
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Jason Tatum back. And just speaking hypothetically here, if Bruce
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Bowen was playing out there with Jason Tatum, would it
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: be the second quarter or the fourth quarter?
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, boy.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Not that you would kick him in the back of
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: the leg, but like... Just leave it in the air.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like, like, like, like, let it,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: let it, let it.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. This, this, this is another one of
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: those great questions you have. You know, um, you said
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: if I was playing today, right today. Okay. Uh, again,
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: I love your work, Bomani. I mean, I think you are,
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: you know, it's no surprise that you are where you are. Um,
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: being at it's me and, and, You know, I've been
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: known to get close to guys. Jason Tatum, I have
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: a lot of respect for. And because I have a
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: lot of respect for him, I'm going to play hard
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: against him. Now, this is Bruce Bowen, 32 years old.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: Or 28.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: I understand that they watching me. I understand. So, I'm
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: going to try and play a physical game and continue
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: to stress that I know that they're watching me. I
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: got you. I got you. I got you.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: Officials!
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Officials! Hey, I can do this.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: I just had so many flashbacks to you and that
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: number 12 when you went like this.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Like if they put a statue of you in front
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: of the building, it's going.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: To be you going just like this. Have you seen this, man?
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Wearing that jersey.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: You're out here looking like a mob trying.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: To make a scene. What are you talking about?
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Well, my answer is because officials are taught that if
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: they see this action, they call fouls. So if my
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: hands are here... In.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: Boston.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: I'm going to show my hands. And more importantly, Bomani,
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: because of the rules of the game today, Harper got
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: called for a flagrant one. He contested the shot and
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Jalen came down next to his foot. Bruce Bowen would
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: be as he contests and I come down before either
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: running away so that they can't say that I did
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: something illegal. Yep.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Because it wasn't illegal where Bruce Bowen played. And then
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: in today's day and age.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: I need to drink my tea.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm just saying, man, you know, what are you saying?
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: Bomani?
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: What are you saying?
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Some people got things named after him. Sometimes it's a statue.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's a building. Sometimes it's a park. Sometimes it's
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: a rule. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: You know what? I told my therapist that you would
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: do this. You would do this around this time. But
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: I'm not even fazed by what you're saying, Mama. I'm
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: not even fazed by what you're saying. I just seem
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: to have a rash right now because all the forgiveness
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: that I've given you. And brother.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: You a legend, brother. You a legend. I'm giving you
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: credit for being a legend.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. See, you just pouring gasoline and alcohol at.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: The same time on the fire. You a legend. They
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: should have named the airport after you. But instead, they
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: just decided to give you a rule.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Actually, though, to be fair, it's the Zaza rule. It
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: ain't even the Bruce Bowen rule. It's the Zaza rule.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: Well, what did Zaza do?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: Hello.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: When it happened to me, y'all don't talk about when
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: it happened to me. See, it happened. Look, it happened
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: to me with Baron Davis. Now what? Yeah, you're right.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: You know what? We need to take that up.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: I don't like your tone right now. No, no, no.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: You're just doing that to comply.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: You know what? Not as you mentioned, you're right. It's
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: the Bruce Bowen rule because they did it to you. See, see, see, see, see, see.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Take that compliment, Bruce Baldwin. Take that compliment.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: That is not what I'm doing. That is not what
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: I'm doing. I know it's not.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: I know it's not.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: I tell you this, Bomani, I really do enjoy talking
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: to you sometimes. But it seems like it always go
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: a certain direction with you.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: But I bring it back to love. You know what
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? Oh, there it is. That's my man. That
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: was just.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: I was waiting for the chef in you to bring
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: it back. You know, you just did your marinade with me.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: And now, you about to go burn up, I mean,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: cook some stuff.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that is Bruce Bowen, my brother. It is
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: always a pleasure, man. I appreciate you joining us.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, brother.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: All right, Maddie.
• 1:02:09
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