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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, April 20 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: The fields on a group proudly presents Huddle Up with
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. J P. Shacker, John Ojer and NFL Network
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Speaker 1: analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks bring you the latest
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Speaker 1: on George Jackson Hill Jack Wars. Everything's got to be
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Speaker 1: about the future, has got to be about tomorrow and
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Speaker 1: bringing all that into focus as we you know, attack
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Speaker 1: the season. Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks starts right now.
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Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of the Huddle Up Podcast. Today's Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: April twenty J P. Shadrick with the NFL Network analyst
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, Jaguars dot Com senior writer John Oser. Subscribe
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Speaker 1: comment and a five star rating. Happy Wednesday, Bucky. But
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Speaker 1: I gotta start today with John Oser. He walked in
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Speaker 1: hot a moment ago, trying to make it to the
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Speaker 1: stadium in time for this podcast. John, what happened? Well,
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Speaker 1: it was a jumbo shrimp game. JP. You know you're
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Speaker 1: from here with my league baseball in this town a
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Speaker 1: little bit. Yes Wednesday, business Person Special were in Springfield,
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Speaker 1: So I gotta try to make a left through the
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Speaker 1: Jumbo Shrimp traffic that's not there. And then all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, I come to find out they've built a
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Speaker 1: new traffic pattern on Bay Street that was like a
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Speaker 1: month ago. I'm trying to turn, well, I haven't turned
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Speaker 1: left on that, I've turned right a lot. I didn't
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Speaker 1: know you couldn't turn left. And then I get behind
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Speaker 1: this guy who you know, he's looking at the Jumbo
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Speaker 1: Shrimp game and it appears he's never seen traffic before.
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Speaker 1: So I was a little late coming in. And then
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Speaker 1: they closed an entrance because of the Football Performance Center.
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Speaker 1: He can't sneak through. There's only one real option to
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Speaker 1: get in on a Shrimp game. If you're coming from Springfield.
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Speaker 1: There's only one option to get to the Jaguar. Same
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Speaker 1: that's said, Is it me or does it feel like
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Speaker 1: we're dragging to get it? It feels like the draft
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Speaker 1: at this point to me is taking forever to get here.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's because guys, I've been knee deep in it
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Speaker 1: for two weeks. Yeah, Bucky is the same way. I'm
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Speaker 1: sure you're in it every day or is it coming
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Speaker 1: up fast or slower? How are you feeling about I
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Speaker 1: don't know, it's just coming up, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: I'd be glad when we kind of settle and see,
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Speaker 1: I think this draft is different because star power or
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Speaker 1: lack there of at the top, and so because there
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Speaker 1: hasn't been like the excitement like last year there was
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Speaker 1: excitement over Trevor. Previous years have been excitement over a
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Speaker 1: number of quarterbacks or elite or premier pass rushers or
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Speaker 1: playmakers and those things. This class is a very good class,
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Speaker 1: but I don't know if it necessarily has a star
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Speaker 1: power of other classes. And because of that, I feel
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Speaker 1: like we've been talking about the same names over and
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Speaker 1: over and over again trying to catch a bus, and
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Speaker 1: that buzz hasn't necessarily caught on a speare like wildfire.
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Speaker 1: Kind of reminds me a little of right. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it was what Johnson, but there weren't like quarterbacks at
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Speaker 1: the very top of that. I'm getting a ton of
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Speaker 1: comparisons to that too. But my sense, Buck, you see,
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Speaker 1: if you agree with this, and and it's again I
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Speaker 1: didn't go back and look at at Jokel's YouTube videos
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Speaker 1: in college. That's what scouting is these days. You know,
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Speaker 1: we got j it's YouTube the film. It's not your film. Uh.
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Speaker 1: I mean, but if somebody wants to do the film
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Speaker 1: for you, I'm moren't happy to look at the clips.
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Speaker 1: I look, if you can boil it down to nine
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Speaker 1: minutes for me, that works for me. Yeah, you're googling
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Speaker 1: YouTube to but it uh. That year, there was a
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Speaker 1: perception that it was a weak draft. This year, I
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Speaker 1: haven't heard from scouts and people that it's a weak draft.
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Speaker 1: It's just a lack of star power. And I think
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Speaker 1: there's a difference. I don't think you're going to draft
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Speaker 1: one of you like there was a worry that year.
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Speaker 1: I remember that you could draft a guy at the
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Speaker 1: top and really not be getting a great, great player.
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Speaker 1: This year, I don't get the impression. I get the
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Speaker 1: impression people think these guys are pretty good. There's just
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Speaker 1: no quarterback. Yeah. And I think a couple of things.
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Speaker 1: I think the quarterback sizzle is real because I think
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Speaker 1: we've changed the way we view quarterbacks. Um. I think
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Speaker 1: we on our side, media side, we created the narrative
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Speaker 1: that a push quarterbacks up, you gotta draft him high
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Speaker 1: if you're gonna get them, YadA, YadA, YadA. And I
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Speaker 1: really think that the tipping point has been two things. One,
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Speaker 1: when the money went over forty million dollars for quarterbacks,
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Speaker 1: it changed the level of expectation from your starting quarterback
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Speaker 1: and what you want, because if you're gonna pay that
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Speaker 1: kind of money, you want to make sure that the
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Speaker 1: performance equates to that. The days of just giving the
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Speaker 1: quarterback a sizeable sun because he's the guy that takes
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Speaker 1: the snap from the center, I think we're done with that.
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Speaker 1: And I think the postseason also changed the way that
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Speaker 1: we view quarterbacks. When you see Josh Allen and Pat
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Speaker 1: Mahomes and Joe Burrow, UM, you see the quarterback play
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Speaker 1: that it was required to make it to the Super Bowl,
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Speaker 1: and you saw so many young guys kind of playing
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Speaker 1: to that standard. I think what you had was a
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Speaker 1: lot of teams um looking at their own quarterback situations
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Speaker 1: and looking at this draft and measuring those quarterbacks up
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Speaker 1: against the young stars in the game, the Herbert's and
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Speaker 1: all those guys. And if you're going to take a
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Speaker 1: quarterback and that quarterback cannot compete and they shootout against
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Speaker 1: those guys. What's the point of taking up because you
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Speaker 1: can be right back at the drinking hole again, the
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Speaker 1: watering hole again, having to go and figure out if
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Speaker 1: you can get one. And so it just kind of
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Speaker 1: raised the standard. I say, it's really been a market
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Speaker 1: correction that you're no longer just going to accept mediocrity
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Speaker 1: at the position. When it's time to pay, you're gonna
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Speaker 1: look for a star, because if you don't have a star,
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Speaker 1: you don't have a chance. I have a question for
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Speaker 1: the scout, and it's a little off the top of
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Speaker 1: this feels like a free wheeling day to me, right,
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Speaker 1: and this isn't really a quarterback question, but it's something
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Speaker 1: that I'm sure you and DJ. I called Daniel. I
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Speaker 1: called Daniel Jeremiah DJ because but I'm sure you guys
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Speaker 1: have talked about it, because I heard him talking about
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Speaker 1: it somewhere else. This whole concept of offensive line, that
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Speaker 1: teams are looking at offensive line a little differently. You
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Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to have to follow that Cowboys model
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Speaker 1: of three or four number one draft picks. And the
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Speaker 1: interesting concept that I think I heard him use was
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Speaker 1: teams are now looking at you can build an offensive
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Speaker 1: line with the idea that it's as good as its
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Speaker 1: worst part, meaning as long as you don't have a
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Speaker 1: breakdown guy as your fifth guy, that you don't necessarily
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Speaker 1: need elite guys with an offensive line. You're probably better
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Speaker 1: serve to speak about that than me. But talk me
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Speaker 1: through that concept because it makes a little sense to me.
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Speaker 1: So the theory and the prenciple is no tomato cans.
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Speaker 1: Like the one thing that you can have is you
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Speaker 1: don't necessarily need all a plus is around the board.
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Speaker 1: But you can't have any fs. You can't have any
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Speaker 1: like noticeable weak links where everyone in the stadium knows
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Speaker 1: that this guy is the tomato cans, he's the one
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Speaker 1: that's get your your quarterback killed. But um, and I
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Speaker 1: think a lot of it sometimes depends on the level
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Speaker 1: of quarterback that you have behind that offensive line. Let's
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Speaker 1: look at the Super Bowl, the Super Bowl, the Cincinnati Bengals,
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Speaker 1: who everyone in the NFL knows that they were struggling
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Speaker 1: on the offensive line. They were a Super Bowl participant,
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Speaker 1: and some could say reasonably they should have won the
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Speaker 1: super Bowl. They were three minutes away from winning the
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Speaker 1: super Bowl when an offensive line that didn't have any
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Speaker 1: notable players and had some weak links. The l A
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Speaker 1: Rams also don't have any stars on their offensive line.
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Speaker 1: For as much as we made the Super Bowl about
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Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth and his farewell song and that they didn't
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Speaker 1: have any great players on that offensive line, but the
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Speaker 1: quarterback play was terrific. But then when you cast your
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Speaker 1: gaze out outside on the perimeter, there were a bunch
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Speaker 1: of stars, a lot of star power for the Rams
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Speaker 1: on the perimeter, Cooper Cup or b j uh since
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Speaker 1: then being Jamaar, Chase, te Higgins, Tyler Board, all those players.
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Speaker 1: And so now what you're saying is, if I have
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Speaker 1: a good court an A plus quarterback, I have really
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Speaker 1: good skill guys. If my offensive line is just okay
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Speaker 1: where they can get in the way, that might be
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Speaker 1: good enough to be able to get it done. And
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Speaker 1: that's why in the pecking order of marquee positions, I
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Speaker 1: think there's been a shift. It used to be where
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Speaker 1: you had to have the quarterback, the elite left tackle,
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Speaker 1: the pass rusher, and those things. Now I believe it's
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Speaker 1: the four ps, but in this order it's passer, pass rushers, playmakers,
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Speaker 1: and those playmakers are typically passing game playmakers wide receivers,
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Speaker 1: and then it's the past protective. I don't even know
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Speaker 1: if it's necessary to have an elite cornerback in today's game,
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Speaker 1: but if you got those p's accounting for, you have
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Speaker 1: a chance to put yourself in position. Because look at
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Speaker 1: the teams that are playing deep in the turn him it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if all of those guys had those
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Speaker 1: auxility positions um at an a level. Yeah, I couldn't
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Speaker 1: agree more, especially even sort of playing off your off
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Speaker 1: your cornerback comment to me drafting a safety or a
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Speaker 1: corner high anymore. If you've got an offense where the
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Speaker 1: quarterback can get rid of the ball and the wide
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Speaker 1: re series have time to make plays, cornerbacks only matter
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Speaker 1: for about three point five seconds or four seconds, and
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Speaker 1: then these guys are getting open because the rules are
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Speaker 1: so skewed toward offense. I do agree. I think we're
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Speaker 1: seeing and we're seeing a huge shift, and getting back
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Speaker 1: to the offensive line point, I wonder if that's not
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Speaker 1: playing a little bit into the decision at the top
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Speaker 1: that yes, you know, the offensive line here has been
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Speaker 1: maligned for so long. I don't think it's a bad
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Speaker 1: offensive line. I've said for years. The Colts offensive lines
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Speaker 1: that I covered, we're good. They weren't great. They were
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Speaker 1: no Tomato Cans, but they didn't have Jeff Saturday was
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Speaker 1: a pro bowler, but he was He was a pro bowler,
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Speaker 1: unsavvy and experience. He was a center. It wasn't an
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Speaker 1: elite offensive line because Peyton knew how to get rid
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Speaker 1: of the ball and get them into plays. They could
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Speaker 1: take advantage of what they could do. And I think
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Speaker 1: you know now, is Joe Burrow Peyton No, but that
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Speaker 1: you know, if you have a quarterback who can get
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Speaker 1: rid of the ball timely, not have the pass rush
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Speaker 1: be as much of a factor, not take huge sacks
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Speaker 1: when there's a breakdown, I think you can get by
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Speaker 1: with that. No tomato can theory makes perfect sense to me.
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Speaker 1: Uh And on that front, I just personally believe the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars offensive line is fine if there's functioning players around it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: two things that you make the observations that I would say,
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Speaker 1: the better of the quarterback, the less of the need
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Speaker 1: for a high level offensive line. You can get away
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Speaker 1: with it. In a perfect world, you would like to
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Speaker 1: provide him with the best protection. But the better of
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Speaker 1: the quarterback particularly easily superstar quarterback. He can make everybody
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Speaker 1: else because it's the mental aspect of that, right, But
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Speaker 1: he can see what's coming Tom Brady for years and yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he can eleve the performance of those because he can
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Speaker 1: handle everything and as he um understands the game and
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Speaker 1: masters the game and understands how to kind of play
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Speaker 1: the chess match, he can do that. I will say this,
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Speaker 1: when you're having the cornerback situation, I would prefer an
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Speaker 1: elite level safety over a corner um. And this actually
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Speaker 1: came from uh year old guy Bill Polian. We talked
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Speaker 1: a few years ago and he talked about the way
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Speaker 1: the game is changing. You need to have an elite
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Speaker 1: safety in the middle of the field, not just for
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Speaker 1: the passing game, but to deal with these athletic quarterbacks
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Speaker 1: that are running around and making plays. If you can
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Speaker 1: have a guy that you can drop in the box
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Speaker 1: who can match tight ends and blitz and check the
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Speaker 1: quarterback and do those things, I would say, kind of
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Speaker 1: like the Derwin James type, that is a difference maker
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Speaker 1: because now you have an eracer that you can use,
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Speaker 1: so he better be able to run. But you gotta
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Speaker 1: be a run You gotta be able. You gotta be
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Speaker 1: able to run. And I think that's the thing too.
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Speaker 1: In a perfect game, going all the way back, you
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Speaker 1: need one safety and I would say four corners on
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Speaker 1: the field, meaning that second safety needs to have corner
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Speaker 1: like footwork and athleticism. And then the other guy is
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Speaker 1: a nickel corner. So you're really playing one safety four
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Speaker 1: corners and you're able to lock down and be able
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Speaker 1: to play. Yes, I just think these great offenses these days,
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Speaker 1: I guess you can have as good as safety play
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Speaker 1: as you want. If the pass rush you didn't gett
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Speaker 1: home and the quarterback has five seconds run loose on
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Speaker 1: the running over, the guy's not gonna be a factor
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Speaker 1: no matter how good anyway. Yeah, do the Jaguars have
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Speaker 1: that Bucky on defense though? All that all those pieces
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Speaker 1: that you're looking for, No, they don't. And that's why
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Speaker 1: at the top of the board it's really important. Um,
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Speaker 1: we just talked about the pass rush, so you need
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Speaker 1: another complimentary pass rush to go with Josh Allen. Um
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Speaker 1: and maybe like having another guy will help Josh Allen
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Speaker 1: play at a higher level. And then you also and really, man,
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Speaker 1: you need three You need too on the outside, one
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Speaker 1: on the inside. You need to be able to affect
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Speaker 1: the quarterback up the middle. Because John talked about three
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Speaker 1: point five seconds. Really, man, you look at Tom Brady
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Speaker 1: and those guys, it's two point five or less. The
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Speaker 1: ball is coming out, and so the best way and
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Speaker 1: the most effective way to kind of disrupt the quarterback
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Speaker 1: is right up the gut, right in the middle, right
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Speaker 1: between the a gaps, so he has to field the
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Speaker 1: pocket in his face, in his lap. So you have
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Speaker 1: to have someone inside that can create a pass rushing presence,
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Speaker 1: which is why Art and key Um and those guys
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Speaker 1: critical because the inside pass ors to way the Niners
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Speaker 1: played him. He gave them an inside pass rush. So
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Speaker 1: now you have him, you have someone on the outside
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Speaker 1: that can get after it gives you an opportunity. Now,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's funny Jp that you know the game
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Speaker 1: has evolved. Yeah, it's a completely different game. Obviously there
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Speaker 1: was in the nineteen fifties, but Paul Brown used to
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Speaker 1: say it was quarterback and pass rusher. So it's still
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Speaker 1: if you have something that can affect the quarterback quickly,
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Speaker 1: that disrupts everything you can do, and if you've got
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Speaker 1: a guy who can control it offensively, the game on
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Speaker 1: that front. No matter how much it changes around it,
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Speaker 1: it's still the same. And I know JP is gonna
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Speaker 1: take us to a break or we're gonna transition, but
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Speaker 1: I gotta get this in because he said this. Um.
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Speaker 1: The reason why John is if you have a pass rush,
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Speaker 1: now you don't have to blitz, and so now you
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Speaker 1: can play zone and you can play coverage. You can
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Speaker 1: get home with four. The best thing is if you
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Speaker 1: can ever get home with four, you now gonna have
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Speaker 1: seven in coverage and you don't have to worry about
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Speaker 1: having a Jalen Ramsey tight on the perimeter. You can
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Speaker 1: play zone, you can rally in front, you don't let
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Speaker 1: the ball fly over the top of the head, and
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Speaker 1: you just rally and tack and run to the ball.
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Speaker 1: You have to have guys that can do it because
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Speaker 1: no one really wants to blitz all the time. You
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Speaker 1: would like to be able to say, hey, I got
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Speaker 1: my four is better than your front five, and we're
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Speaker 1: gonna find a way to get home. All the great
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Speaker 1: teams I've covered, which I would consider a couple of
14:52
Speaker 1: Colts teams. I they were defined by Peyton, but Freeny
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Speaker 1: math is those guys could get home and they affected
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Speaker 1: in the great Colts Patriots games that I played. You
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Speaker 1: know that I covered in the mid two thousands when
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Speaker 1: the Colts had the edge. It was because a the
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Speaker 1: offense was great, obviously, but when they got a lead,
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Speaker 1: those guys can get home infect the quarterback. I would
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Speaker 1: consider the obviously the only great Jaguars young courversince I've
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Speaker 1: been back two thousand and seventeen and could infect the quarterbacks.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's still really hard to win at the highest, highest,
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Speaker 1: highest level without that. We'll come back in a moment
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Speaker 1: and here from Press Taylor, Jaguars offensive coordinator and Mike McCoy,
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars quarterbacks coach. The Jags are future focused and
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Speaker 1: ready for a new look in to join us at
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Speaker 1: the bank this season. It's Doug Peterson and Krevor Lawrence
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Speaker 1: Slash tickets were called nine oh four six three three,
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Speaker 1: two thousand more after this welcome back to the Huddle
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Speaker 1: Up High Gash, JP, Shadrick Bucky Brooks, John Osier and
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars will host the two do Ball Draft Party
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Speaker 1: Daily's Place, live draft analysis, on stage appearances by Doug
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Speaker 1: Peterson and select Jaguars players, and then stick around for
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Speaker 1: the draft. We'll have our coverage on Jaguars dot Com
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Speaker 1: on the big screen. Lucky Brooks will be there with
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Speaker 1: Bells on. It's gonna be fantastic. Register at Jaguars dot
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Speaker 1: com slash Official Draft Party. Bucky's a little niffy, mentioned
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Speaker 1: Doug first. No, no, no, I was I was hoping
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Speaker 1: I could get a ticket. I just want to see
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Speaker 1: if I get a ticket to the party, it sounds
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Speaker 1: like a good deal. I want to make the party.
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Speaker 1: Then I want to hear I want to hear all
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Speaker 1: the analysis. I want to do that. I want to
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Speaker 1: have some orders and some of that stuff. What do
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Speaker 1: we serve down to a draft fartys that you know,
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Speaker 1: I've never been to a draft party like twenty plus
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Speaker 1: two years. What do you want? Yeah, it's whatever you like, Bucky.
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Speaker 1: I think you know you just have to request that
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Speaker 1: you at least can get whatever you want. I know
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Speaker 1: it's Florida. Does that mean I have to have Gator
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Speaker 1: or something like? That's a different route. What was the
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Speaker 1: last time you ate our gator, John, He's just probably
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Speaker 1: been a couple of decades. It's probably I've never I've
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Speaker 1: never had and I don't think I can get past.
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Speaker 1: It's a little gaming, but it's fine. I can't. I can't.
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Speaker 1: I still just just like chicken. It really just it
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Speaker 1: has the same texture, you know, like chicken. Either unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: What do you like? Yeah, I don't know if I
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Speaker 1: could do it. You know, I don't do it. You know,
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Speaker 1: me and Fritz North Carolina, that Pescterian I'm on the
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Speaker 1: Pescterian plan that much. You know what does that mean? Fish?
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Speaker 1: My h to be around about the Jaguars. We win
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Speaker 1: titles and audited other stuff. You know, plenty of fish
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Speaker 1: in the sea down here. Alright, So let's shift gears
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Speaker 1: and review a couple of conversations we had recently with
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Speaker 1: Jaguars coaches. We heard from Press Taylor on Jaguars Happy
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Speaker 1: Our RAYEO last week. After this podcast aired on Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: he showed up on Thursday on Jaguar's Happy Hour and
18:06
Speaker 1: we got to ask him how it was with Trevor
18:09
Speaker 1: so far in the meeting rooms. He's very mature, he asked,
18:13
Speaker 1: and a lot of times. You know, we haven't had
18:15
Speaker 1: a lot of football conversations, but he asked great questions,
18:17
Speaker 1: so that that's always one of the things that you
18:19
Speaker 1: know he's engaged. You know, you can kind of tell
18:21
Speaker 1: by the questions that a guy asked of kind of
18:24
Speaker 1: whether he likes it, where he's tracking, how he sees it,
18:27
Speaker 1: Um and he he and really all the quarterbacks, Jake
18:29
Speaker 1: and c J, they've done a great job with the
18:31
Speaker 1: questions they asked, the response they're giving, the engagement they're giving.
18:34
Speaker 1: They're now sorry to interrupt you press. So they're about
18:37
Speaker 1: a week and a half end of the phase one.
18:40
Speaker 1: That means officially talking xs and os and getting the
18:42
Speaker 1: room the conversation going the right way. When your quarterbacks
18:46
Speaker 1: asking questions and that kind of leads you into different things, Bucky,
18:50
Speaker 1: it feels like, yeah, no, it does lead in different
18:53
Speaker 1: things because you want your quarterback to be engaged. You
18:55
Speaker 1: want your quarterback to um have a desire to have
18:58
Speaker 1: a mastery of the system, because the more he masses
19:01
Speaker 1: the system, uh, the better it is because now he
19:03
Speaker 1: can play on instincts and awareness. He also can make
19:07
Speaker 1: sure that everyone is on the same page. But before
19:11
Speaker 1: he can take kind of like that leadership and ownership responsibility.
19:14
Speaker 1: He has to kind of know what's going on. And
19:16
Speaker 1: I think it's really important that Trevor is asking questions
19:18
Speaker 1: so he can kind of understand the system like the
19:21
Speaker 1: back of his hand. Yeah, I mean he's Uh, we've
19:25
Speaker 1: said it before. We talked about it on Not Jaguars
19:27
Speaker 1: Drive Time yesterday. He's got everything you want. I don't
19:32
Speaker 1: know what it is about him that I could pick
19:37
Speaker 1: out that will hold him back e following. Um, we
19:40
Speaker 1: didn't see it enough last year, so I've got to
19:43
Speaker 1: chalk that up to the chaos around him. He's when
19:49
Speaker 1: he spoke, it's a couple weeks ago now that he
19:52
Speaker 1: spoke to the media, so impressive and you can feel
19:58
Speaker 1: when he speaks what Press Taylor is talking about, the
20:02
Speaker 1: total engagement, the awareness of what it takes, uh, the
20:07
Speaker 1: right questions. His mind's in the right place. Uh, It's
20:12
Speaker 1: it's just hard to imagine him not taking a huge
20:14
Speaker 1: step up for those reasons. I get that fans here
20:19
Speaker 1: this and like, well, we've got to see it well
20:21
Speaker 1: and until September we've got nothing to talk about except this.
20:25
Speaker 1: But the mental part of it, which I think is
20:28
Speaker 1: so important he's got and I think now that he's
20:32
Speaker 1: with Press Taylor, particularly Doug Peterson Mike McCoy will talk
20:36
Speaker 1: about in a second, he now I think has the
20:40
Speaker 1: right environment to move those things in the right direction
20:44
Speaker 1: at a rapid pace without things getting in the way.
20:49
Speaker 1: If that doesn't help him mature, and not even mature,
20:53
Speaker 1: it's not the right word I developed, then I don't
20:55
Speaker 1: know what will. I mean, it feels like the right
21:00
Speaker 1: group at the right time, the right head coach. We'll see.
21:04
Speaker 1: But I'm not surprised to hear Press Taylor say that,
21:09
Speaker 1: because that's what Trevor Lawrence is and to me, that's
21:11
Speaker 1: what's gonna give him a chance, even more than the
21:13
Speaker 1: physical ability. All the things we've seen that we all
21:16
Speaker 1: call intangibles are tangible and it's what gives him a chance.
21:20
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the next seven eight months. I've
21:23
Speaker 1: seen it happen. Let's hear again from Press Taylor and
21:27
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. You know, Press has been around the
21:30
Speaker 1: league for a long time and a number of different
21:32
Speaker 1: roles quality control, a passing game coordinator, quarterbacks coach, and
21:38
Speaker 1: he's finally an offensive coordinator and he's got a couple
21:41
Speaker 1: of assistant Yeah, I know he's three, right, he made
21:49
Speaker 1: it um so after a long scenic route. No, I'm kidding,
21:53
Speaker 1: of course, no. But he's got obviously head coaches around him.
21:57
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson has done it. Mike McCoy has been in
21:59
Speaker 1: the NFL. He's the quarterbacks coach, but relating to the
22:02
Speaker 1: staff around him and many roles as he's had already
22:05
Speaker 1: in his coaching career, I know how I liked being
22:08
Speaker 1: treated in each of those roles, and and and what
22:10
Speaker 1: kind of input I could provide and things like that.
22:12
Speaker 1: So part of it's being clear in your communication with
22:14
Speaker 1: what your expectation is for everybody. And and then at
22:17
Speaker 1: the on top of that, with a lot of you know,
22:20
Speaker 1: former quarterbacks and guys that have coach quarterbacks, are been
22:23
Speaker 1: coordinators in this league. A lot of it's everybody putting
22:25
Speaker 1: their egos side and realizing we we don't need to
22:27
Speaker 1: do what we all did in the past, and this
22:29
Speaker 1: is about putting our guys in the best position to
22:32
Speaker 1: create the Jacksonville offense. That's what we're trying to do.
22:35
Speaker 1: So it's it's different when you're finally the o c. Yes,
22:38
Speaker 1: he's not calling the plays on Sunday. But he's putting
22:41
Speaker 1: all this kind of together in one pot here, Bucky
22:43
Speaker 1: and getting all these all this input from different levels
22:47
Speaker 1: of the organization and and trying to figure that out
22:49
Speaker 1: for the first time as a true offensive coordinator. I'm
22:52
Speaker 1: curious how this, uh, this learning process goes for Press.
22:55
Speaker 1: It seems like it's gone so far and is in
22:58
Speaker 1: his career pretty well. It's going pretty well so far
23:01
Speaker 1: in his career, but it's a huge learning curve. Like
23:03
Speaker 1: when you get up to the point where, um, you're coordinating,
23:06
Speaker 1: you're trying to manage not only people, but you're trying
23:08
Speaker 1: to figure out game situation plays, Um, who do I
23:12
Speaker 1: want to get the ball to How do I want
23:13
Speaker 1: to get the ball to them? What do they like?
23:15
Speaker 1: What's my quarterback? Like? That's a lot to manage, and
23:18
Speaker 1: I think there'd be some growing pains, And I think
23:20
Speaker 1: it will take maybe half of the season before he'll
23:23
Speaker 1: admit he's probably a little more comfortable because there's one
23:26
Speaker 1: thing to say like, oh, I'm ready for it. It's
23:28
Speaker 1: another thing to have to do it and do it
23:29
Speaker 1: in game action and make adjustments and manage the people
23:32
Speaker 1: and do all this other stuff, but he has enough
23:35
Speaker 1: resources and and and and people around him to be
23:39
Speaker 1: good at it. And then, by the way, the head
23:41
Speaker 1: coach is pretty good play caller, So you know, it
23:44
Speaker 1: makes it a lot easier when you have those buffers
23:47
Speaker 1: around because Mike McCoy has done it, Peter hasn't done it,
23:50
Speaker 1: So you've got a lot of people that have been
23:51
Speaker 1: able to do do this and organize it, and so
23:54
Speaker 1: he has a lot of people that it can kind
23:56
Speaker 1: of lean on. It feels like we're sort of bumping
23:59
Speaker 1: up against the uh, too many cooks in the kitchen concept,
24:03
Speaker 1: But which is I've gotten this question a lot from
24:06
Speaker 1: people because there's so many offensive coordinators and so many
24:09
Speaker 1: ex offensive coordinators. I would worry about that JP and
24:12
Speaker 1: Bucky if Doug Peterson wasn't the guy. It feels to
24:18
Speaker 1: me like if he has compiled a staff of people
24:23
Speaker 1: that he's comfortable with and likes football, guys who sort
24:27
Speaker 1: of take his approach. Talking to Mike McCoy last week,
24:31
Speaker 1: he didn't strike me as a guy Mike McCoy's called plays,
24:34
Speaker 1: he's been the guy, you know. It didn't strike me
24:37
Speaker 1: as a guy who's, you know, trying to figure out
24:40
Speaker 1: how much power he can get in this system. He
24:43
Speaker 1: feels like a guy who wants to contribute where he
24:46
Speaker 1: can and what he's wanted. I think guy Doug Peterson
24:50
Speaker 1: will be the key in bringing Press Taylor along. Having
24:55
Speaker 1: Jim Bob cooters uh input be the wrecked input, having
25:01
Speaker 1: Mike McCoy's input be the correct input. Um. I understand
25:04
Speaker 1: people who have asked me that I points a lot
25:07
Speaker 1: of cooks in the kitchen. I m with Doug Peterson
25:11
Speaker 1: being the person who that information is being funnel too
25:15
Speaker 1: doesn't worry me much now that I've been around Doug
25:18
Speaker 1: a little bit. Good point, Um, I think I think
25:22
Speaker 1: it's kind of the way of the world. Like right now,
25:24
Speaker 1: everything you're trying to do is installate the quarterback, and
25:26
Speaker 1: so I think you want multiple layers around it. Now,
25:30
Speaker 1: the key to being effective and working everyone has to
25:34
Speaker 1: speak the same language, and the quarterback has to get
25:37
Speaker 1: the same information and the same style from everybody. And
25:41
Speaker 1: so however you elect to do who is primarily communicating
25:45
Speaker 1: with the quarterback, like maybe you have to sift in
25:48
Speaker 1: it like kind of sort of they'll allowed sift it
25:51
Speaker 1: out until he gets it. But the only way it
25:53
Speaker 1: can get messed up is if you have too many
25:56
Speaker 1: people saying different things. That's when it messes up. But
26:00
Speaker 1: they're all coming from the same system. They all have
26:01
Speaker 1: a inherent knowledge of the offense. They all kind of
26:05
Speaker 1: know where the objective is on every play and how
26:07
Speaker 1: to do it. It can be comforting because the other
26:10
Speaker 1: thing is an emotional game. Sometimes you want a layer
26:14
Speaker 1: or a buffer between the head coach and the quarterback,
26:17
Speaker 1: and you want someone who can take the quarterback off
26:19
Speaker 1: to the side and just kind of talk to him
26:21
Speaker 1: without the emotion. When I was in Green Bay, having
26:24
Speaker 1: watched coach Homegren do it with Brett Farve, Andy Reid
26:28
Speaker 1: would be the quarterback coach, and so before coach Mike
26:32
Speaker 1: could get the bread far and he was like, I
26:34
Speaker 1: got him, and we take him off to the side
26:36
Speaker 1: and handle some of those conversations before it got contentious
26:39
Speaker 1: and maybe acrimonious. And so you just want to have
26:41
Speaker 1: enough layers that in the heat of the moment, the
26:44
Speaker 1: quarterback doesn't get his feelings all bruised. He's able to
26:47
Speaker 1: take the information process and still perform without it having
26:51
Speaker 1: lingering effects with the relationship between he and the head man.
26:54
Speaker 1: Didn't it feel like Mike McCoy can be that guy
26:58
Speaker 1: pretty well too. Yeah, I think that's I think he's
27:02
Speaker 1: the one, and I think he's the underrated higher and
27:05
Speaker 1: all of this because in Mike McCoy, you're getting the
27:08
Speaker 1: guy with a unique experience, not only as he played
27:11
Speaker 1: the position. He has been a quarterback coach, he's been
27:14
Speaker 1: a play caller. He's also been a head coach. Um.
27:17
Speaker 1: There's a natural relationship between Doug Peterson and Mike McCoy
27:21
Speaker 1: because we all were together in Green Bay at the
27:23
Speaker 1: same time. So there's a mutual respect. So if anybody
27:26
Speaker 1: understands exactly what Doug wants, Mike mccordy will understand it
27:30
Speaker 1: because they're gonna speak the same language. And so I
27:32
Speaker 1: think it's a huge benefit for Travor to be able
27:34
Speaker 1: to kick his feet up in the office and talk
27:36
Speaker 1: to coach McCoy and do all those other things, and
27:38
Speaker 1: then for them to communicate in games. I'm curious to
27:41
Speaker 1: see what it plays out, who is up in the box,
27:44
Speaker 1: who's on the field, how they do that on game day.
27:47
Speaker 1: All this stuff is essential. But no, to me, I
27:49
Speaker 1: think the set up is perfect, and I think it's
27:51
Speaker 1: a little different than it was last year, because I
27:52
Speaker 1: felt like last year you're kind of piecing it together.
27:55
Speaker 1: Good guys and Bevell and Brian Schottenheimer, but they're not
27:58
Speaker 1: really coming from the same system that cousins this. I
28:02
Speaker 1: feel like everybody's coming from the same thing. So the
28:05
Speaker 1: communications should be on point and that's the most important
28:07
Speaker 1: part of it. Let's hear from Mike McCoy, Jaguars quarterbacks coach,
28:11
Speaker 1: sat down with Yes You Guess to John Osier on
28:13
Speaker 1: the ozone podcast earlier this week, available in the Official
28:17
Speaker 1: Jaguars podcast Network. McCoy has been out of the league
28:20
Speaker 1: for two or three years, hanging out with the family,
28:23
Speaker 1: doing the thing, but also looking around the NFL and
28:27
Speaker 1: still getting ideas on offense. And I think that's one
28:30
Speaker 1: thing when I look back the past couple of years,
28:32
Speaker 1: to be able to really look um at a number
28:35
Speaker 1: of teams and study certain teams and follow, you know,
28:38
Speaker 1: certain coaches that I've worked with or that worked for
28:40
Speaker 1: me when they've moved on. Something like Frank Reich, what
28:43
Speaker 1: did he do when he went to Indie? How did
28:45
Speaker 1: he kind of change or what additions did he make
28:47
Speaker 1: to our system that we had built over the time
28:49
Speaker 1: we're together. I think that's what kind of you every teams.
28:52
Speaker 1: Every year you kind of look at it, Okay, here's
28:53
Speaker 1: the foundation, this is who we want to be. And
28:55
Speaker 1: then you look at okay, through free agency, through the draft, Okay,
28:59
Speaker 1: do you still all have that personnel to fit the
29:01
Speaker 1: scheme you want to run? And then you know what
29:03
Speaker 1: type of players do you have and what new wrinkles
29:06
Speaker 1: do you take from other places or some things like, hey,
29:08
Speaker 1: you've always had in your system, but maybe you look
29:11
Speaker 1: at it from last year and say, God, we didn't
29:13
Speaker 1: run enough of this. So I think it's always evolving.
29:15
Speaker 1: You're always looking to say, Okay, what is best for
29:18
Speaker 1: our team today? Yeah, today is the most important thing
29:21
Speaker 1: and not ten years ago. We've got to keep evolving.
29:24
Speaker 1: That's what Press also was talking about this week, Bucky,
29:27
Speaker 1: is you might find a route concept here that works
29:29
Speaker 1: for a certain player on your team, but you may
29:33
Speaker 1: not change the whole offense. But a little tweak here,
29:35
Speaker 1: a little tweak there, and that's when your offense moves forward. Yeah.
29:39
Speaker 1: It's funny because you have a bass system, you have
29:41
Speaker 1: a framework um that serves as the foundation, but then
29:44
Speaker 1: you have to tailored around the players that you have
29:47
Speaker 1: and so um given the personnel and I and I
29:50
Speaker 1: don't know if there's enough excitement that has been generated
29:54
Speaker 1: on the outside about the personnel that the Jaguars have,
29:57
Speaker 1: But I am look, if this is fantasy football on
30:00
Speaker 1: I could give a nugget of advice, I would say,
30:02
Speaker 1: go secure Evan Ingram in your in your leagues, because
30:05
Speaker 1: I would expect Evan Ingram to put a monster numbers
30:08
Speaker 1: in this offense. If you go back and track what
30:11
Speaker 1: the tight ends have traditionally done in Doug Peterson's offense,
30:15
Speaker 1: they put up big numbers, and the wide receivers they
30:18
Speaker 1: catch passes, but it's almost as secondary to what the
30:21
Speaker 1: tight end can do. I think what you're doing is
30:24
Speaker 1: you're trying to take a bass system and fit it
30:26
Speaker 1: to the personnel. What do I have? Okay, now I
30:28
Speaker 1: have this person, what does he do really well? And
30:32
Speaker 1: make it work? And I would say that adaptability has
30:35
Speaker 1: been Doug Peterson's best trade as a play caller. How
30:39
Speaker 1: he adapted the offense from Carson Wentz to Nick Foles
30:41
Speaker 1: to Jalen Hurts. All of that is high level stuff,
30:45
Speaker 1: and I think you do it with the others in mind.
30:48
Speaker 1: But it has to be something that's very comfortable for
30:50
Speaker 1: the quarterback. And so yeah, that there has to be
30:53
Speaker 1: a lot of that that you're figuring out in mini
30:56
Speaker 1: camping and training camp. Um. But it's exciting and I
30:59
Speaker 1: think have enough guys with the acumen. Mike McCoy included
31:03
Speaker 1: to be able to pull it off and asked Bucky
31:06
Speaker 1: Uh about Evan Ingram here in a second, but before
31:09
Speaker 1: we lose our train on Mike McCoy. Probably the most
31:13
Speaker 1: interesting thing he said that applies to our conversation today
31:17
Speaker 1: to me was how much he's looking forward to He's
31:20
Speaker 1: been a coordinator, he's been a head coach, and he
31:23
Speaker 1: was out of it for three years. Uh, but he
31:25
Speaker 1: talked a lot in the podcast about his time in Carolina.
31:30
Speaker 1: He's still very good friends with Jake Delhome, who had
31:33
Speaker 1: in Carolina. He is looking forward to just being in
31:37
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks room. It is a different experience to be
31:41
Speaker 1: in that room, is compared to the offensive coording. You
31:43
Speaker 1: talked about all the responsibilities you start getting when you're
31:46
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator the head coach. You don't develop quite
31:49
Speaker 1: the same relationships as you do in a position group. Uh.
31:53
Speaker 1: It just struck me that he is in the right
31:57
Speaker 1: position for him at this time. He's looking forward to
32:00
Speaker 1: getting into Trevor Lawrence, C. J. Beth thro the guys
32:02
Speaker 1: in that quarterback's room. Uh So, I think he will
32:05
Speaker 1: be the guy, as Bucky alluded to earlier, to pull
32:09
Speaker 1: Trevor aside to have that relationship. Um, that's sort of
32:14
Speaker 1: what struck me the most about the podcast that we
32:16
Speaker 1: did and going back there, because, Um, Mike and I
32:19
Speaker 1: were together in Carolina during that time, and so I
32:22
Speaker 1: can speak on the impact that he had on Jake
32:24
Speaker 1: Delane and the impact that he had on the offense.
32:27
Speaker 1: Dan Henning was the offensive coordinator. Dan Henning was very
32:30
Speaker 1: old school and how he wanted to go about running
32:32
Speaker 1: an offense. Um, John Fox was a defensive coach, and
32:36
Speaker 1: the main thing was secured the ball. Wanted to run
32:38
Speaker 1: the football, and you wanted the quarterback to make a
32:40
Speaker 1: handful of place. I would ball all accounts, and I
32:43
Speaker 1: know Mike would never say this on record. Hey man,
32:45
Speaker 1: Jake Delane was a bit of a roller coaster ride.
32:48
Speaker 1: But their ability to manage him and put him in
32:52
Speaker 1: a situation where this guy played at a Pro Bowl
32:54
Speaker 1: level led us to a Super Bowl Super Bowl thirty
32:56
Speaker 1: eight and then probable Super Bowl based on the personnel.
32:59
Speaker 1: The defense is great, the offense as Steve Smith or whatever,
33:02
Speaker 1: but it wasn't what you would say a classic super
33:05
Speaker 1: Bowl level offense. But part of the reason they were
33:07
Speaker 1: able to do it is because they found a way
33:08
Speaker 1: to help the quarterback play at a high level. Some
33:11
Speaker 1: of that were the playmakers around them, but a lot
33:13
Speaker 1: of that was some of the sweet nothings that Mike
33:17
Speaker 1: McCoy and those guys were whispering Jake deloans here and
33:19
Speaker 1: how they built the offense in the passing game, in
33:22
Speaker 1: particular around what Jake delon could do really well, Why
33:25
Speaker 1: will Ingram work here when it didn't work out in
33:28
Speaker 1: New York? Yeah, well the thing is in New York.
33:31
Speaker 1: Um it worked to a point, but look, it's a
33:33
Speaker 1: mess there, Like it was a mess. And I don't
33:35
Speaker 1: necessarily know if the quarterback play was great. I can
33:38
Speaker 1: confidently say that I don't know if the play callers
33:40
Speaker 1: that were they're rolling through when he was playing, we're ideal.
33:45
Speaker 1: But he didn't go to a Pro Bowl there, and
33:46
Speaker 1: I know people make a lot of about probably did,
33:48
Speaker 1: but to love where he put up some numbers a
33:50
Speaker 1: couple of years ago might have been the second season
33:51
Speaker 1: that was his best season when it came from our
33:53
Speaker 1: production standpoint. But what he is is kind of a
33:57
Speaker 1: jumbo slot receiver, someone who you have to understand exactly
34:02
Speaker 1: what he is. If you're thinking he's gonna put his
34:04
Speaker 1: face mask and the defensive end's chest and he's gonna
34:07
Speaker 1: block him and maul him and do all that, that's
34:08
Speaker 1: not That's not the role that he's gonna play. He
34:11
Speaker 1: is a pass catching tight end. He is someone that
34:13
Speaker 1: is a mismatch problem for the defense because you have
34:16
Speaker 1: to figure out who do I want to put on them?
34:19
Speaker 1: Do I want to put a linebacker? Do I want
34:20
Speaker 1: to put a safety? Your nickel on him. If it's
34:22
Speaker 1: the smaller guy, he's gonna post him up and he's
34:25
Speaker 1: gonna beat him up because he has superior physical traits
34:29
Speaker 1: in terms of size dimensions. If it's the linebacker, he's
34:31
Speaker 1: gonna run past him. And so the easiest throw for
34:34
Speaker 1: the quarterback is over the middlefield to a tight end.
34:37
Speaker 1: And so now what you're able to do is build
34:39
Speaker 1: the passing game inside out, Evan Ingram as the focal point,
34:44
Speaker 1: and then it goes to Christian Kirk Za Jones, then
34:47
Speaker 1: whoever else is out there, Marvin Jones or whatever. But
34:50
Speaker 1: the two guys that are most important will be Evan
34:53
Speaker 1: Ingram work in the middle and the Christian Kirk working
34:56
Speaker 1: from the slot. He Or is a Jones because I
34:57
Speaker 1: think they're interchangeable in terms of how they play. But
35:00
Speaker 1: this passing game would work over the middle of the field.
35:03
Speaker 1: And to take that back, go all the way back
35:05
Speaker 1: to how Trevor played at Clemson. R P O S
35:08
Speaker 1: quick passes. A lot of this stuff inside the numbers
35:12
Speaker 1: of some kind of fake play action, uh for fake
35:15
Speaker 1: throw it all that so it all works together. But
35:18
Speaker 1: Evan Ingham should be a big beneficiary. I love to
35:21
Speaker 1: hear that this is the Huddle Up podcast, Bucky, When
35:23
Speaker 1: are you coming to Jacksonville next week? Because I think
35:26
Speaker 1: we're switching some days. We've got some programming changes next week.
35:29
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna try to do the Huddle Up
35:30
Speaker 1: on Tuesday next week. Does that work with your travel schedule?
35:35
Speaker 1: That works with the travel schedule, because you know, based
35:37
Speaker 1: on that fancy little party that you have, I'm gonna
35:40
Speaker 1: see if I can be helicoptered in and just kind
35:41
Speaker 1: of dropped in the middle of the thing in midfield,
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Speaker 1: like something very spectacular, you know, like who has the
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Speaker 1: little heaplic helicopter in recruiting where they get on the
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Speaker 1: little chopping and they just dropped down on the back
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Speaker 1: side of bowl. Yeah, and from the raster. No, So
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Speaker 1: I'm taking I'm taking a red I a hand. So
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Speaker 1: I'm coming in Thursday morning. I do path to the
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Speaker 1: draft Wednesday night and I'm jumping on the plane and
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Speaker 1: I'm coming right there and I'll be there for all
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Speaker 1: the festivities and really looking forward to it. Should be
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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. We're looking forward to having you
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Speaker 1: here on our coverage coming up. But tomorrow Jaguars happy,
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Speaker 1: are you know? We mentioned the two thousand three Carolina
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Speaker 1: Panthers that went to the Super Bowl. Brentson Buckner was
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Speaker 1: part of that team. He will join us live in
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Speaker 1: studio tomorrow, Buckey. He's gonna be with me and Loghman
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Speaker 1: about four fifteen on tinto next l am. Okay, I
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Speaker 1: gotta thing for you what you can do with buck Um.
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Speaker 1: I think you have to challenge Logiman to see if
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Speaker 1: he and Brinson Buckner can do that big man dance
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Speaker 1: off because Brinson Buckner was one of the first guys
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Speaker 1: at NFL Network, and he was one of the guys
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Speaker 1: who was an originator, a founding father of the Big
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Speaker 1: Man Dance Off. So maybe you can whisper Dad and
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Speaker 1: Brinson bucks He said, Hey, man, I need to see
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Speaker 1: you and log big Man Dance Off. Those might be
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Speaker 1: the only words I get in the whole interview. Oh,
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Speaker 1: he's a little luckuted a little Let's talk a little
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Speaker 1: bit now he's gonna do it. Looking forward to talking
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Speaker 1: defensive line with him tomorrow. John, what do you got
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Speaker 1: coming up from here until about next Wednesday? Uh? Jaguars
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Speaker 1: dot Com. It's it's pretty much Bucky Brooks all the
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Speaker 1: time in terms of our draft coverage, Bucky and I
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Speaker 1: killing it. It did an eight part series. Don't give
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Speaker 1: it out to Bucky. It's mostly his insight and I
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Speaker 1: it's good stuff. I recommend reading it. It started Monday
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Speaker 1: and I'll go through next Wednesday. Looking forward to that
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Speaker 1: has always been path to the draft continues NFL Network.
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Speaker 1: Buck Yeah, man, we just over here talking just you know, spinning, spinning,
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Speaker 1: spin washing, repeat, just just just doing doing what we do.
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Speaker 1: It should be a lot of fun, though, I'm excited
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Speaker 1: how much I see we had a number one pick
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Speaker 1: is gonna be. But I'm more excited to see who's
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Speaker 1: gonna be the first pick of the second round, because
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Speaker 1: best money man best. I like it. We've been a
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Speaker 1: little over a week to figure it out. Bucky will
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Speaker 1: talk to you next time. John Osier, Joe Fortunato, Dave
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Speaker 1: de Candice, our entire crew. I'm J. P. Shadrick. We'll
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