Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 1040: Foundations - A Day in the Life of a Newborn Whitetail Fawn
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
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- 0:14Speaker 1: First Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
- 0:19Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
- 0:23Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,
- 0:24Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about fawns and
- 0:27Speaker 2: how they survive their first few weeks when everything is
- 0:29Speaker 2: trying to eat them. We take it for granted how
- 0:36Speaker 2: incredible it is that any deer can survive to adulthood,
- 0:39Speaker 2: mostly because we don't usually witness, or at least aren't
- 0:42Speaker 2: aware of, how many fawns don't get so lucky. It's
- 0:46Speaker 2: a lot, and it's pretty wild to think that they
- 0:48Speaker 2: are born sort of defenseless, yet enough of them still
- 0:51Speaker 2: manage to see their first birthday, even in areas with
- 0:54Speaker 2: high predator dencidents. The real story of Bambi is pretty crazy,
- 0:58Speaker 2: and I'm going to tell it right now. Every spring,
- 1:10Speaker 2: the Peterson household goes through a similar roller coaster of
- 1:13Speaker 2: emotions after getting attached to some baby animals. The most
- 1:17Speaker 2: common well eats in our world are ducks and geese,
- 1:20Speaker 2: which nests in our backyard pond. The goslings come first,
- 1:24Speaker 2: and while they are pretty quick to grow up, you know,
- 1:26Speaker 2: enough to be able to run kind of, it's still
- 1:28Speaker 2: interesting to see how from day to day we can
- 1:31Speaker 2: watch the number of goslings drop. We have a healthy
- 1:35Speaker 2: fox population here in the burbs. We have plenty of
- 1:37Speaker 2: coyotes too, and we have plenty of birds of prey,
- 1:40Speaker 2: so it's really no surprise that some goslings are getting whacked.
- 1:43Speaker 3: Then the mallards come, and then the wood ducks.
- 1:46Speaker 2: Now it's pretty hard to find a cuter critter than
- 1:48Speaker 2: a tennis ball sized duckling, all covered in fuzz. But
- 1:52Speaker 2: they also must be delicious because they attract a wide
- 1:55Speaker 2: range of predators. The hawks do a real number on
- 1:58Speaker 2: the ducklings, and it's not on common for one of
- 2:00Speaker 2: my daughters to remark in the morning that the mallards
- 2:02Speaker 2: are down to six, then five, then four or whatever.
- 2:06Speaker 3: Young animals in the while.
- 2:07Speaker 2: Have it rough, but they aren't without survival strategies. The
- 2:11Speaker 2: good geese parents here keep a close watch out, you know,
- 2:13Speaker 2: when they're younger feeding, and they often stage up close
- 2:16Speaker 2: to taller grass and cover that allows the youngsters to
- 2:19Speaker 2: scatter and immediately disappear from overhead predation. Other critters, you know,
- 2:23Speaker 2: like frogs or toads, for example, engage in a reproduction
- 2:27Speaker 2: style that I've talked about before. You know that results
- 2:30Speaker 2: in so many juveniles on the scene at one time
- 2:33Speaker 2: that your advantage is, you know, the run of the mill.
- 2:36Speaker 2: Predation can't really wipe out the population to a lot
- 2:40Speaker 2: of species, It's just a numbers game. It's called prey saturation.
- 2:43Speaker 2: It's actually pretty widespread throughout the animal kingdom. Even animals
- 2:47Speaker 2: like deer, which are generally only going to produce either
- 2:49Speaker 2: one or two offspring, often have a condensed breeding window,
- 2:53Speaker 2: which results in a condensed berthing window pray saturation. Even
- 2:57Speaker 2: the high predator density areas will have some fawns slip through,
- 3:01Speaker 2: you know, the most vulnerable stage due partially to this strategy.
- 3:05Speaker 2: There's just too many of them to all take out.
- 3:07Speaker 2: But it's not just about the fawns hitting the dirt
- 3:09Speaker 2: at roughly the same time that saves them. There's more
- 3:12Speaker 2: to it, which is pretty cool. But before I get
- 3:14Speaker 2: into that, I want to address the difference between Northern
- 3:17Speaker 2: born fawns and Southern born fawns. Up here close to Canada,
- 3:22Speaker 2: the bulk of the fawn drop just happened or is
- 3:24Speaker 2: about to happen. This is no accident and coincides nicely
- 3:28Speaker 2: with the time when they're you know, just a ton
- 3:30Speaker 2: of food available for mama so she can produce some
- 3:32Speaker 2: high quality milk, but also a ton of cover available
- 3:35Speaker 2: for her to stash her fawns away. Down south, the
- 3:38Speaker 2: drop happens earlier, and due to their not being such
- 3:42Speaker 2: clearly defined seasons, it's often a little bit more spread out.
- 3:46Speaker 2: Northern fawns are usually a bit larger than their southern cousins,
- 3:49Speaker 2: which only makes sense when you consider the general size
- 3:51Speaker 2: difference between adult deer that hail from either the north
- 3:54Speaker 2: or the south. Northern fonds tend to have a little
- 3:56Speaker 2: thicker of a coat and often live their lives like
- 3:59Speaker 2: their batteries on twenty percent, and they need to conserve energy.
- 4:03Speaker 2: Southern fawns, with their thinner coats, tend to focus less
- 4:06Speaker 2: on wasting energy and more on heat avoidance, which is
- 4:09Speaker 2: a real issue. The farther towards the bottom of the country,
- 4:11Speaker 2: you go. This difference can be framed up another way.
- 4:15Speaker 2: A northern fawn's real big challenge, besides avoiding predators and
- 4:19Speaker 2: a host of other dangers, is to grow enough before
- 4:22Speaker 2: winter sets in life is rough for young deer. They
- 4:25Speaker 2: aren't likely to command the top spot in the best
- 4:27Speaker 2: feeding areas or get to bed in the most beneficial
- 4:30Speaker 2: places on the land. This is part of the reason
- 4:33Speaker 2: why they are so easy to see, especially in the
- 4:35Speaker 2: early part of the bow season. Young deer down south
- 4:39Speaker 2: have to answer a different question, which is how can
- 4:42Speaker 2: I avoid overheating and getting chopped by predators long enough
- 4:45Speaker 2: to reach maturity. That predator question is a big one,
- 4:49Speaker 2: and it's always a topic that fires up deer hunters.
- 4:52Speaker 2: We have almost kind of a bizarre way of thinking
- 4:55Speaker 2: about predators. This was highlighted to me this past Turkey
- 4:58Speaker 2: season when a good buddy he sent me a pick
- 5:00Speaker 2: of a newborn fawn leg which he followed up quickly
- 5:03Speaker 2: with a comment about how when he has the time,
- 5:05Speaker 2: he's going to try to call in some coyotes and
- 5:07Speaker 2: send them out. That is not an uncommon reaction to
- 5:10Speaker 2: finding a fawn that has been eighty six by a predator,
- 5:14Speaker 2: but that place he found that fawn has tons of
- 5:16Speaker 2: deer like tons, And I'd argue that if you're going
- 5:19Speaker 2: to have a high concentration of deer, hell, I'd argue
- 5:23Speaker 2: that a big part of the land management aspect of
- 5:25Speaker 2: deer hunting is specifically designed to produce an unnatural concentration
- 5:29Speaker 2: of deer. You know the consequence of that is going
- 5:32Speaker 2: to be anything that eats deer is likely to move
- 5:34Speaker 2: in and set up shop.
- 5:36Speaker 3: And why wouldn't they.
- 5:38Speaker 2: I recently listened to a well known deer farmer type
- 5:41Speaker 2: of hunter, who was bitching about all the people who
- 5:43Speaker 2: set up on his fence lines every year. Look, I
- 5:46Speaker 2: get that great, because it just kind of sucks. But
- 5:49Speaker 2: I also know there aren't very many people in the
- 5:51Speaker 2: entire country who do more to concentrate deer on their
- 5:54Speaker 2: land than him. If game animals are a shared resource,
- 5:58Speaker 2: which they are supposed to be, and if you hoard them,
- 6:02Speaker 2: you know you're likely to attract predators, even if they
- 6:04Speaker 2: walk on two legs and hunt not with teeth and claws,
- 6:07Speaker 2: but instead with sharp sticks and controlled explosions that send
- 6:11Speaker 2: a nice little hunk of lead or maybe copper through
- 6:13Speaker 2: the air at two or three X to speed a sound.
- 6:16Speaker 2: Two other things immediately occurred to me when my buddy
- 6:19Speaker 2: texted me about that dead fawn. One was that, yes,
- 6:23Speaker 2: coyotes eat deer, and they always have, they always will.
- 6:26Speaker 2: I don't begrudge them for that because I feel the
- 6:28Speaker 2: same compulsion, and I bet you do too. I don't
- 6:31Speaker 2: know why it's so fun to hunt deer and to
- 6:33Speaker 2: shoot them and all that. I just know that it is,
- 6:36Speaker 2: and it's not something I chose. It's just there, and
- 6:39Speaker 2: I suspect it's an echo from humanity's long, long history
- 6:43Speaker 2: and the fact that success killing an animal like a
- 6:46Speaker 2: deer was one of the primary ways in which we
- 6:48Speaker 2: were granted another sunrise and the opportunity to make more
- 6:52Speaker 2: of us. That coyote out there is motivated by the
- 6:56Speaker 2: exact same stuff as you and I. He just doesn't
- 6:58Speaker 2: have a choice to have a whole bunch of easy
- 7:01Speaker 2: food delivered right to his mouth like we do now.
- 7:03Speaker 2: It also occurred to me that my buddy didn't actually
- 7:06Speaker 2: know whether it was a coyote that killed that faun.
- 7:08Speaker 2: There are a hell of a lot of other fawn
- 7:10Speaker 2: eaters out there. You have the big bad wolf in
- 7:13Speaker 2: some places and where they live, they tend to eat
- 7:16Speaker 2: a lot of deer, including newborn fawns. But then you
- 7:19Speaker 2: have black bears, and boy do they not get enough
- 7:22Speaker 2: credit for chopping on Bambi. Bears are masters of finding
- 7:26Speaker 2: newborn fawns. And what's worse is that we know, through
- 7:29Speaker 2: plenty of research that they specifically target newborn fawns. I mean,
- 7:34Speaker 2: think about it this way, at least for northern Yogis.
- 7:38Speaker 2: Spend all winter in a little cave or under a
- 7:40Speaker 2: root water in a brush pile, and you wake up
- 7:43Speaker 2: after like five months of sleep, and when you finally
- 7:46Speaker 2: get out of bed, you have a world full of
- 7:49Speaker 2: salad and some protein, but it's mostly lower nutrient stuff
- 7:54Speaker 2: right out of the gate. And then after a little while,
- 7:57Speaker 2: a nice little tender package of venison gets left out
- 7:59Speaker 2: in some grassy field somewhere, or should I say dozens
- 8:03Speaker 2: and dozens of nice little packages of tender venison. What's
- 8:06Speaker 2: he gonna do? Keep munching on roots and shit? Nope,
- 8:10Speaker 2: you wouldn't either. Of course, there are other kinds of
- 8:14Speaker 2: fawn eaters out there. Bobcats are one, and I think
- 8:17Speaker 2: it's truly fascinating how common they are becoming in some areas.
- 8:22Speaker 2: I never saw a bobcat my life until probably ten
- 8:24Speaker 2: years ago, and now I see them almost every year,
- 8:27Speaker 2: in addition to getting trail camera images of them all
- 8:30Speaker 2: the time. In fact, in southern Wisconsin this year, I
- 8:33Speaker 2: filmed a pair of bobcats making a pretty good stock
- 8:35Speaker 2: on my Dave Smith decoys, and it was one of
- 8:37Speaker 2: the coolest things I've ever seen.
- 8:39Speaker 3: In a wild.
- 8:51Speaker 2: Cats are unreal predators, and dear know it. I've talked
- 8:56Speaker 2: about this on here before, but if you've ever had
- 8:59Speaker 2: a domestic cat wander through while you're deer hunting and
- 9:02Speaker 2: then had the deer notice that kittie, it's never a
- 9:05Speaker 2: non issue. They always blow and stomp and keep a
- 9:08Speaker 2: crazy close eye on that cat, which might not seem
- 9:11Speaker 2: to make sense considering your average tabby isn't a real
- 9:14Speaker 2: threat to pretty much any deer. I think they don't
- 9:18Speaker 2: like them because they have a gene deep fear of cats,
- 9:22Speaker 2: because some cats throughout their history did represent real danger,
- 9:27Speaker 2: and there isn't much difference between how a tiger moves
- 9:31Speaker 2: and hunts than a mountain lion or a bobcat or yes,
- 9:34Speaker 2: mister Whiskers mcfluffy Butt, who mostly lays around your house
- 9:37Speaker 2: waiting to be fed or get a belly scratch. Coyotes
- 9:41Speaker 2: and bobcats, and in a lot of places bears are
- 9:44Speaker 2: predators that will actively hunt and kill newborn fawns pretty
- 9:47Speaker 2: much from the north to the south and out east
- 9:49Speaker 2: and in some parts of the West. They like deer,
- 9:53Speaker 2: they seem to do pretty well in a wide variety
- 9:55Speaker 2: of environments, especially coyotes, so they are just like a
- 9:58Speaker 2: prevalent predator. But Southern fawns have a couple other predators
- 10:03Speaker 2: to worry about, including faral hogs and even snakes. I
- 10:06Speaker 2: didn't know faral hogs would eat a deer until I
- 10:08Speaker 2: shot an axis dough in Texas one time, and then
- 10:11Speaker 2: farreal hogs eight.
- 10:12Speaker 3: He But of course they do, because why wouldn't they.
- 10:16Speaker 2: I imagine that there are a lot of places where
- 10:18Speaker 2: snakes don't eat newborn fawns, but there are areas where
- 10:21Speaker 2: they do, and that's pretty wild to think about. So
- 10:25Speaker 2: how does Bambi run through the gauntlet and not get
- 10:27Speaker 2: snacked on? Well, they mostly don't do much running. In
- 10:32Speaker 2: the first few weeks of their life, they'll spend about
- 10:34Speaker 2: ninety percent of their time just not moving. This is
- 10:38Speaker 2: no accident. But this behavior did help create two myths
- 10:41Speaker 2: about fawns that persist today. The first is the whole
- 10:44Speaker 2: olderless scent free thing. They aren't sent free, they aren't olderless,
- 10:49Speaker 2: and in fact, they have to have scent so mamma
- 10:52Speaker 2: can identify who is who. But when you're small and
- 10:55Speaker 2: you don't move much, you don't leave a lot of
- 10:57Speaker 2: scent around. Factor in that they cake out on the
- 11:01Speaker 2: forest floor and their sense signature is just as pretty small.
- 11:05Speaker 2: The other myth is about the abandoned fawn thing. Every spring,
- 11:09Speaker 2: all across the country, people who don't know much about
- 11:11Speaker 2: deer find abandoned fawns quote unquote, and they do what
- 11:15Speaker 2: they can to help them. But mostly those fawns aren't abandoned.
- 11:18Speaker 2: They were stashed away through some wisdom does have or acchoir,
- 11:23Speaker 2: and they are doing exactly what they are supposed to do.
- 11:26Speaker 2: You know, when you walk up and realize there's a
- 11:28Speaker 2: baby deer laying on the ground in front of you,
- 11:31Speaker 2: their default strategy to stay alive is to not move.
- 11:34Speaker 2: And once you understand that, and you understand that bucks
- 11:38Speaker 2: also do that throughout their entire lives, you become a
- 11:41Speaker 2: better hunter.
- 11:42Speaker 3: For it.
- 11:44Speaker 2: Now, if you started an episode of Family Guy right now,
- 11:48Speaker 2: when a new faun was born, by the time the
- 11:50Speaker 2: credits were rolling, that fawn would be able to stand.
- 11:54Speaker 2: If you threw on I don't know, the Titanic right before,
- 11:58Speaker 2: you know that faun was born, by the time the
- 12:01Speaker 2: credits rolled on that film, the fawn would be able
- 12:03Speaker 2: to walk. They can get around pretty early in their life,
- 12:06Speaker 2: but they mostly don't do much getting around because that
- 12:09Speaker 2: is a prime opportunity for predators to move in. So
- 12:12Speaker 2: when they are first born, they might stand up for
- 12:15Speaker 2: a few minutes in the morning to nurse, maybe take
- 12:17Speaker 2: a little grooming from mama, and then possibly a short
- 12:20Speaker 2: walk around the area. But does know that not only
- 12:24Speaker 2: is the clock ticking on the whole deal, but that
- 12:27Speaker 2: they are also directly responsible for giving away their fawns' locations,
- 12:31Speaker 2: So mama doesn't stick around long. After a little snack
- 12:35Speaker 2: and maybe a walk about in the morning, the fawn's
- 12:37Speaker 2: gonna lay right back down to snooze away the midday.
- 12:40Speaker 2: And on that note, do you know what's absolutely crazy
- 12:43Speaker 2: how rare it is to see a deer sleep. I've
- 12:46Speaker 2: gotten trail camera images of bucks that went to sleep
- 12:48Speaker 2: usually during the rut, but sometimes not. And once I
- 12:52Speaker 2: killed a meal deer buck that took several micro naps
- 12:54Speaker 2: in front of me, But I can't honestly remember for
- 12:57Speaker 2: sure seeing a white tailed deer of any age that
- 13:00Speaker 2: was definitely sleeping, and I've been looking for that a lot.
- 13:03Speaker 2: They do, though, and no one does it better than
- 13:06Speaker 2: young fawns. Throughout the heat of the day, They'll just
- 13:09Speaker 2: lay there in the same spot, snoozing frequently and just
- 13:12Speaker 2: not moving until mama shows up again for the afternoon
- 13:16Speaker 2: or evening feeding session. These nursing sessions are really short
- 13:20Speaker 2: and as a side note, I watched this happen last
- 13:22Speaker 2: year in northern Wisconsin as a doe fed to fawns,
- 13:26Speaker 2: and what was really bananas was that both of the
- 13:28Speaker 2: fawn's tales were going so fast they were in a
- 13:30Speaker 2: helicopter mode. If you don't know what that means, consider
- 13:34Speaker 2: your average Labrador retriever that's used for hunting and he
- 13:38Speaker 2: happens to get a very fresh scent of a rooster
- 13:41Speaker 2: in his snout and watch him get excited, so excited
- 13:45Speaker 2: because he knows that a flush is going to happen
- 13:47Speaker 2: and his tail will stop going side to side like
- 13:50Speaker 2: windshield wipers, and instead will start going in a circle.
- 13:54Speaker 2: I think it's pretty cute that fawns do that when
- 13:56Speaker 2: they are getting fed. Now, as the sun starts to
- 13:59Speaker 2: set the woods switch over to night mode. Does often
- 14:03Speaker 2: move their fawns to a new location they get another
- 14:06Speaker 2: snack on the way or once they're there. But again,
- 14:09Speaker 2: it's all about minimizing movement and staying statues still on
- 14:13Speaker 2: the forest floor. I couldn't find a definitive answer to
- 14:17Speaker 2: this in any of the deer research I looked up,
- 14:19Speaker 2: but it makes me wonder if dose tend to stash
- 14:21Speaker 2: their fawns in more open grassy areas during the day
- 14:25Speaker 2: and then in the woods at night to sort of
- 14:27Speaker 2: play the opposite game with predators. It would seem to
- 14:30Speaker 2: make sense that bears and bobcats and coyotes and wolves
- 14:34Speaker 2: and whoever else would be less likely to visit a
- 14:36Speaker 2: wide open grassy pasture at noon than they would at midnight,
- 14:41Speaker 2: which means it might be safer for fawns to be
- 14:43Speaker 2: in the timber all night long than out where the tooth.
- 14:46Speaker 2: Your critters can course and course until they run across
- 14:49Speaker 2: them in the knee high grass. It's an interesting thought anyway.
- 14:52Speaker 2: Whether it's remotely true or not, I don't know. While
- 14:55Speaker 2: fawns have the software to be as invisible as they
- 15:00Speaker 2: possibly can, they also have some handy hardware. Their stippled
- 15:04Speaker 2: coat is one of nature's wonders, I guess, like all
- 15:07Speaker 2: deer and their coats are. It allows them to blend
- 15:10Speaker 2: in so dang well to so many different types of cover.
- 15:13Speaker 2: I shot photos of a fawn a few years ago
- 15:16Speaker 2: standing in the north woods where the light was coming
- 15:18Speaker 2: through and it was all bright beams of sun and dark,
- 15:22Speaker 2: dark shadows, and it was one of those moments where
- 15:24Speaker 2: I just kind of got it.
- 15:25Speaker 3: It just clicked.
- 15:26Speaker 2: I was like, that little dude has such a perfect
- 15:29Speaker 2: paint job for this situation. Now, as the first week
- 15:33Speaker 2: tick spy into the second and then the third, both
- 15:36Speaker 2: northern and southern fawns grow up fast. It isn't long
- 15:40Speaker 2: before they can mostly keep up with mom, and also
- 15:43Speaker 2: not long before you see them playing with one another
- 15:46Speaker 2: or just kind of generally getting the zuomies. The easy
- 15:49Speaker 2: scientific explanation for this is, you know, it's kind of
- 15:52Speaker 2: practice for evading real predators. Learning to use your body,
- 15:56Speaker 2: the juke and move and change directions quickly and jump high. No,
- 16:00Speaker 2: it certainly lends itself to doing those things when a
- 16:03Speaker 2: coyote starts running in like a blitzing linebacker. But I'm
- 16:07Speaker 2: not so sure it isn't just play that happens to
- 16:10Speaker 2: have beneficial side effects. I think deer have more emotions
- 16:13Speaker 2: and consciousness than we probably would guess, And I just
- 16:16Speaker 2: wonder if it's just fun for a fawn that has
- 16:18Speaker 2: been laying around all day not moving to suddenly do
- 16:21Speaker 2: some parkore in the field and kind of think of
- 16:23Speaker 2: it like recess for grade school kids. Maybe they don't
- 16:26Speaker 2: even know, but again, it's kind of fun to think about.
- 16:29Speaker 2: In bear country, there is a huge uptick in fawn
- 16:32Speaker 2: survival once they reach the ten to twelve week range,
- 16:35Speaker 2: and that probably goes for nearly all predation. When a
- 16:38Speaker 2: fawn can really run, it's not an easy snack for
- 16:41Speaker 2: most predators to obtain, although they certainly do keep killing
- 16:44Speaker 2: them if they get the chance.
- 16:45Speaker 3: But it's not so much the four.
- 16:47Speaker 2: Legged petators that are really the threat then, though, because
- 16:50Speaker 2: by the time the bo season starts to kick off,
- 16:52Speaker 2: they're going to lose their spots and start to look
- 16:54Speaker 2: like adult deer, even though when they stand next to
- 16:57Speaker 2: an actual adult deer, even the dimmest of hunters knows
- 17:00Speaker 2: what he's looking at. Sometimes that matters, Sometimes that doesn't.
- 17:04Speaker 2: And as much as it sucks to think about shooting
- 17:06Speaker 2: fawns in the fall, it happens a lot.
- 17:08Speaker 3: It's just part of the deal.
- 17:10Speaker 2: They have a tough go of it all through their lives,
- 17:12Speaker 2: but it's those first couple weeks that.
- 17:14Speaker 3: Are the real test.
- 17:15Speaker 2: Think about that the next time you spot a little
- 17:18Speaker 2: set of twins plodding along behind a mama. Do and
- 17:20Speaker 2: think about coming back next week as I drop more
- 17:23Speaker 2: whitetail knowledge.
- 17:26Speaker 3: That's it for this week. I'm Tony Peterson.
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