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Credlin | 8 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm James Morrow,
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Speaker 2: sitting in for Peter Kredlin. Tonight coming up on the program, Well,
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Speaker 2: the latest inflation data is in. But will the RBA
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Speaker 2: give us a rate cut or have they seen through
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Speaker 2: treasurer Jim Chalmers's attempt to trick them with your money?
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Speaker 2: Plus immigration becomes the big issue around the world. What
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Speaker 2: can Australia learn from the mistakes being made overseas and
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Speaker 2: can multiculturalism even still work? I'm going to be joined
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Speaker 2: here by a leading expert to explain what's next. Plus
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Speaker 2: the Greeves want in on the election debate stage and
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Speaker 2: guess what they want the ABC the host? Can you
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Speaker 2: imagine anything more tedious?
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Speaker 1: Who boy?
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Speaker 2: But first a hearty in Ungwak, Yes in Unguak, because
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Speaker 2: that's how they say good evening in Greenland to everyone
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Speaker 2: out there in TV Land. Now again, there's a lot
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Speaker 2: to cover tonight, but I reckon the biggest and yeah,
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Speaker 2: possibly even most fun story right now is Donald Trump's
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Speaker 2: suggestion that one of his first acts in office might
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Speaker 2: be to arrange for the United States to one way
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Speaker 2: or another take over or merge with or somehow incorporate
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Speaker 2: Greenland or as it may.
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Speaker 1: Be soon known, mar Igloo.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and also he wants to take back the
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Speaker 2: Panama Canal, which was idiotically seeded by the late President
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Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter. Now I'm going to play a little bit
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Speaker 2: of Trump being asked about his plans at mar A
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Speaker 2: Lago earlier, and then well, I think let's have a
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Speaker 2: chat about what is really going on with all of this.
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Speaker 2: Can you assure the world, as you try to get
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Speaker 2: control of these areas you are.
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Speaker 1: Not going to use military or economic coercion? No, Can
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Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about what your plan is.
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Speaker 3: Are you going to negotiate a new treaty?
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Speaker 1: Are you going to ask the Canadians to hold the vote?
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Speaker 1: What is the strategy?
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Speaker 4: And I can't assure you. You're talking about Panama and Greenland. Now,
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Speaker 4: I can't assure you on either of those two, but
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Speaker 4: I can say this, we need them for economic security.
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Speaker 4: The Panama Canal was built for our military.
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Speaker 5: I'm not going to commit to that.
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Speaker 2: Well, as you can imagine, the very idea of all
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Speaker 2: this has given everybody suffering from Trump derangement syndrome, a
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Speaker 2: massive case of the vapors. Why just look at the
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Speaker 2: terror in the eyes of this CNN correspondent who was
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Speaker 2: trying to process the idea of an expansionist America.
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Speaker 6: Some new information about what he intends to do, or
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Speaker 6: at the very least is not ruling out when he
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Speaker 6: takes office, including not ruling out a military invasion to
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Speaker 6: conquer Greenland, the Panama Canal, and perhaps the annexation of
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Speaker 6: the country of Canada.
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Speaker 2: A military invasion of Greenland of Canada, Oh my god.
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Speaker 2: And of course the Washington Post got all huffy with
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Speaker 2: the headline in some Trump just left open using military
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Speaker 2: force against.
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Speaker 1: A NATO ally.
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Speaker 7: Ah.
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Speaker 2: Yes, anyway, pretty soon you know who knows, Americans will
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Speaker 2: soon be singing, how are you going to keep them
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Speaker 2: down on the farm after they've seen none of voot?
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Speaker 2: And you can understand why so many on the left
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Speaker 2: are losing their mind and rising to this very calculated
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Speaker 2: bit of bait dropped by Donald Trump here, because this
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Speaker 2: proposal is really a Trump troll trifecta.
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Speaker 1: I mean, think about it.
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Speaker 2: The idea of taking over Greenland or whatever it combines
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Speaker 2: the possibility of non Democrat led military action so dust
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Speaker 2: off those old peace songs. Everybody with the assertion of
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Speaker 2: American sovereignty got her bid. And the fact that not
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Speaker 2: only are there very good reasons to consider doing some
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Speaker 2: sorts of deals to tie up with Greenland or retake
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Speaker 2: the Panama Canal, but there's also very good precedent for
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Speaker 2: this sort of thing as well. Not that the left
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Speaker 2: likes for anybody else to know history, now do they.
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Speaker 2: Let's walk this through backwards.
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Speaker 1: Shall we now?
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Speaker 2: First of all, and I actually don't think any of
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Speaker 2: this is going to happen, for reasons I'll get to
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Speaker 2: in a moment. But it is utterly ignorant of Trump's
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Speaker 2: reflexive foes, all those TDS sufferers out there in the
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Speaker 2: media and on the socials, to think that there is
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Speaker 2: no precedent for the US buying its way into bigness.
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Speaker 2: Remember at a swoop, the US doubled in size in
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Speaker 2: eighteen oh three when it bought Louisiana and a lot
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Speaker 2: more else besides off of the First French Republic. It
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Speaker 2: bought Alaska off the Csars the Russian Czars in eighteen
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Speaker 2: sixty seven for a pittance, and it bought the Virgin
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Speaker 2: Islands off of Denmark, which also currently owns Greenland, by
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Speaker 2: the way, in nineteen seventeen, and in fact, Harry S.
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Speaker 2: Truman even thought about buying Greenland back when he was president,
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Speaker 2: so you know, this is not a new idea.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Secondly, though, let's go through this because as a thought
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Speaker 2: ex experiment, there's a really good case to be made
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Speaker 2: for Greenland for the United States annexing or absorbing, or
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Speaker 2: somehow bringing into its orbit more closely, that island nation. Now,
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Speaker 2: although largely deserted, it is thought to be rich in
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Speaker 2: ore as well as rare earth minerals, which are of
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Speaker 2: course the commodities, the real commodities needed to make the
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Speaker 2: twenty first century hum. And you know China and Russia
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Speaker 2: and others are all circling around anyway. Plus, look at
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Speaker 2: the map on his screen. Control of Greenland would be
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Speaker 2: a strategic block against Russia, and as northern sea lanes open,
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Speaker 2: create trade opportunities as well. Now, finally, the prospect of
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Speaker 2: military action against Greenland, I seriously doubt it will come
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Speaker 2: to that. But Trump's strategy, of course is to dangle
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Speaker 2: these things out there, take the temperature, leave everybody guessing,
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Speaker 2: and then get things done. While his foes are distracted.
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Speaker 2: Now not all of his foes are distracted. And one
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Speaker 2: Democrat who is live to all of this is none
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Speaker 2: other than Pennsylvania Senator John Fetterman.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot to.
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Speaker 8: Talk about Greenland, for example, now, and I know a
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Speaker 8: lot of there's a lot of freakouts, you know, and
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Speaker 8: of course I would never support taking it by force,
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Speaker 8: but I do think it's I do think it's a
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Speaker 8: responsible conversation if they were open to acquiring it, and
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Speaker 8: you know, whether they just buying it out right, I mean,
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Speaker 8: if anyone think that's bonkers, it's like, well, well remember
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Speaker 8: the Louisiana purchase. I think Alaska is pretty pretty a
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Speaker 8: great deal too, fifty million dollars, I think it was.
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Speaker 8: It was recorded, it was it was referred to as
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Speaker 8: Seward's folly, and now that was Alaska. Now, but he
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Speaker 8: hasn't even take office in two weeks, and you know,
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Speaker 8: we really need to pace ourselves if we're going to
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Speaker 8: freak out over every last tweet or every last conversation
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Speaker 8: or press conference.
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Speaker 2: And that right there at the end, what he said
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Speaker 2: is I think the real heart of the better because
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Speaker 2: while CNN and everyone else is freaking out about America
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Speaker 2: invading Greenland, Trump has other matters to consider. Now my theory,
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Speaker 2: for what it's worth, this is part of a grander
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Speaker 2: distraction game that does two things. One, it keeps the
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Speaker 2: haters occupied while Donald Trump pushes important other business like
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Speaker 2: nominating getting nominees like FBI Director Designit Cash Ptel and
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Speaker 2: Director of National Intelligence Desinit Tulci.
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Speaker 1: Gabbert through the Senate.
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Speaker 2: And the other thing it does it sends the message
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Speaker 2: that whether or not he does it, America is thinking
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Speaker 2: big strategically and geopolitically. Again, Now, before I bring in
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Speaker 2: the panel, I want to show you a little bit
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Speaker 2: more of someone I've been talking about this week, Canada's
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Speaker 2: opposition leader and likely next Prime Minister, Pierre Poiliev in action. Now,
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Speaker 2: I've spoken a bit about him this week because I
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Speaker 2: think he may be the most important rising conservative politician
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Speaker 2: in the West right now, and because I think what
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Speaker 2: he has to say and how he says it also
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Speaker 2: will resonate with a lot of Australia. Here's Pier Pauliev
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Speaker 2: talking about people left behind in his country, Canada. How
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Speaker 2: they did all the right things, these Canadians, and yet
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Speaker 2: now the system, the promise of that nation is working
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Speaker 2: against them. Sound familiar.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 9: I met another guy at the Lebrat Brewery a few
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Speaker 9: days ago, and you can watch the video of me
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Speaker 9: talking with him. He walked up to me, he said,
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Speaker 9: I have three jobs and I can't make it. We're renting,
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Speaker 9: we have no hope. We've given up on ever owning home.
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Speaker 9: We're renting. We can barely make it. And he said
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Speaker 9: to me, I feel ashamed when I talk to my
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Speaker 9: kids because they asked me why I'm never around and
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Speaker 9: why we can never have a house, And I feel
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Speaker 9: like a failure. But he didn't fail. He has been failed.
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Speaker 9: He has been robbed of the promise of Canada. It
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Speaker 9: was a very simple promise that if you worked hard, you.
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Speaker 8: Got a good life.
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Speaker 9: Now it wasn't fancy or extravagant, but you got a
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Speaker 9: house with a yard where you could have kids playing safely.
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Speaker 9: This promise didn't belong to this Prime minister. It wasn't
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Speaker 9: his promise to break. It belonged to all of us.
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Speaker 9: And our purpose is to bring home that promise for
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Speaker 9: that young man, that young father, and that older female worker,
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Speaker 9: so that they can once again take back control of
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Speaker 9: their lives. Live in a safe country where their hard
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Speaker 9: work earns them a good wage, where the rent and
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Speaker 9: their food is affordable, and where when they go to
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Speaker 9: bed at night, they know that they will be safe
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Speaker 9: throughout their sleep, and that they will have their car
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Speaker 9: and their driveway in the morning. A country where people
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Speaker 9: are proud again to fly the flag, where they know
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Speaker 9: the government is a servant and not a master.
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Speaker 2: I also like this bit of it where we talked
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Speaker 2: about the real role of politicians to serve the common people,
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Speaker 2: not their egos and mates.
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Speaker 9: We must remember that we are servants in this place.
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Speaker 9: We have a job to do on behalf of the
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Speaker 9: people who sent us here. Our personal dramas are not important.
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Speaker 9: The dramas that should seize all of our concern and
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Speaker 9: imagination are the daily dramas of the working women and
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Speaker 9: men that build this country. We are in it for them.
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Speaker 1: We're going to give.
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Speaker 9: Them back control of their lives in the freest country
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Speaker 9: on earth, Canada. Let's bring it home.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, if I were Peter Dutton, I'd
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Speaker 2: be paying close attention here. This is a sort of
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Speaker 2: language he uses that cuts to the heart of the
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Speaker 2: problem of so many nations including Australia, which are suffering
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Speaker 2: from decline dressed up as progress and where normal people
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Speaker 2: feel like playing by the rules isn't enough anymore. I
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Speaker 2: Hopefullaby have succeeds in Canada, and I hope we can
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Speaker 2: also achieve many of the same things he's talking about
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Speaker 2: in terms of a turnaround here in Australia. All right, well,
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Speaker 2: let's bring in the panel. Let's not waste any more time.
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Speaker 2: We've got a great panel tonight. One Nation Chief of
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Speaker 2: Staff James Ashby and GT Communications Jemma Todg niney welcome
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Speaker 2: both of you to the program.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk.
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Speaker 2: About local issues here first, particularly those inflation numbers today.
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Speaker 2: Now Labour's hopes of a pre electioned rate cut hangs
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Speaker 2: in the balance following the latest inflation data out today.
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Speaker 2: Annual headline inflation rows about two point three percent in
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Speaker 2: the twelve months of November, above the two point two
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Speaker 2: rise expected by economists. But here was Treasurer Jim Chalmers.
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Speaker 10: And what we see in today's numbers is the helpful
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Speaker 10: role that our policies are playing when it comes to
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Speaker 10: this inflation fight. If you take electricity prices for example,
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Speaker 10: they have fallen twenty one and a half percent in
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Speaker 10: the year to November. They would have fallen one point
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Speaker 10: seven percent without our energy rebates for every household that
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Speaker 10: we are rolling out, So electricity prices would have come
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Speaker 10: off a little bit without action. They've come off substantially
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Speaker 10: because of the Electricity Bill rebates that we are providing
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Speaker 10: to every household in Australia, and.
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Speaker 8: That's a good thing.
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Speaker 10: Rents went up six point six percent in the year,
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Speaker 10: but they would have gone up seven point nine percent
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Speaker 10: were it not for the changes that we've made to
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Speaker 10: Commonwealth rent assistance.
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Speaker 2: Jimmy, I want to come to you first on this
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Speaker 2: here because you're a business owner, so I think you
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Speaker 2: know a thing or two about accounting and how balancing
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Speaker 2: the books work. How is it that you're bringing down
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Speaker 2: inflation when the taxpayer is just picking up the tab
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Speaker 2: by making it look like things cost less, but we're
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Speaker 2: still paying the same money just by passing it through
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Speaker 2: the lovely hands of Jim Chalmers and the government. Explain
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Speaker 2: this to me.
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Speaker 8: This is the point.
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Speaker 11: This is the point James, at which I think Australians
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Speaker 11: need to be reminded again that mister Chalmers has a
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Speaker 11: PhD In Paul keating, mister Chalmers has never run a company.
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Speaker 11: He doesn't understand clearly basic economics. And to say, oh,
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Speaker 11: look it's so much better because we're subsidizing it is
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Speaker 11: not the flex that he thinks it is. It's actually
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Speaker 11: hideously embarrassing to see the treasure of this nation stand
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Speaker 11: up and say everything's fine. The government's propping it up.
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Speaker 11: That's basically what he just said. Then everything's fine because
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Speaker 11: taxpayers are actually subsidizing basic services, which I might remind
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Speaker 11: again Australian voters Prime Minister albanaz It promised would organically
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Speaker 11: come down under his government. They haven't. They they've skyrocketed,
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Speaker 11: as we all know. You know, and I know, this
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Speaker 11: is a government with no economic credibility. They are economic
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Speaker 11: wreckords and somebody needs to tap mister Charmers on the
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Speaker 11: shoulder and say you cannot bring inflation down unless you
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Speaker 11: stop spending and living beyond this country's means.
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Speaker 2: James asked me, I want to go to your on
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Speaker 2: this because when I was watching the Treasurer Jim Chaum
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Speaker 2: was there. He looked to me like a very nervous
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Speaker 2: gambler who was contemplating whether or not he should hit
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Speaker 2: on seventeen at the blackjack tables hoping to get this
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Speaker 2: interest recut.
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Speaker 1: What did you make of all of it?
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Speaker 12: Well, doctor Chalmers hasn't been completely honest with the Australian
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Speaker 12: people in his discussion today. The simple fact is the
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Speaker 12: wholesale price of electricity may have come down, but the
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Speaker 12: a trip will see only last week said that the
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Speaker 12: majority of households and businesses are paying way beyond what
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Speaker 12: they should be for their electricity prices, and they're encouraging
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Speaker 12: households to actually pick up the phone, have a conversation
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Speaker 12: with their provider and try and bring those prices down.
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Speaker 12: Consumers shouldn't have to do that, not in a modern economy.
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Speaker 12: But getting back to that fact about Jim Chalmers saying
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Speaker 12: that inflation may have come down, the truth is I
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Speaker 12: think he's giving a lot of homeowners in particular or
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Speaker 12: investors false hope in the belief that he and his
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Speaker 12: government under Albin Easy can bring down interest rates. I
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Speaker 12: don't think we're ever going to see interest rates as
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Speaker 12: low as what they were two, three or four years ago,
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Speaker 12: when we were paying just over two percent for a
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Speaker 12: lot of households who had a mortgage, we were paying
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Speaker 12: very very minimal interest rates. But I think if you
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Speaker 12: have a look at historical data, I think these interest
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Speaker 12: rates are here to stay, regardless of whether we bring
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Speaker 12: inflation down. I think the RBA are going to be
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Speaker 12: reluctant to bring those down. So the false hope that
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Speaker 12: this government or even an opposition may bring to people
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Speaker 12: in this country that they are capable as a government
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Speaker 12: of bringing interest rates down is a red flag to
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Speaker 12: any to moving forward. I think historical data will say
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Speaker 12: that interest will sort of somewhere be between four and
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Speaker 12: seven percent moving forward into the future, because historical data
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Speaker 12: of up to six hundred years, I might just say,
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Speaker 12: internationally shows interest rates have always tend to be around that.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think you're right, James Ashbury, and those
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Speaker 2: zero interest rate years are probably a thing of the past.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: I want to move to Melbourne to some offensive T
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Speaker 2: shirts which are being sold by an anti Israel activist
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Speaker 2: featuring slogans including bash Zionists and support our Resistance. They
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Speaker 2: were being promoted at a Heidelberg mosque in Melbourne, although
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Speaker 2: the mosque's emom says he had not approved the shirts
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Speaker 2: and was not aware they were being sold. Jemma, you've
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Speaker 2: read very eloquently about the problem of anti Semitism. Here
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Speaker 2: is this crossing the line of free speech? Should these
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Speaker 2: shirts be pulled? Do you think where do you think.
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Speaker 1: This all lands?
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Speaker 13: Well?
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Speaker 11: I think the simple answer to that is to play
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Speaker 11: a game of pretend. Imagine if those T shirts said
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Speaker 11: bash all the Italians, bash all the Christians, bash all
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Speaker 11: the Muslims, bash all the Lesbians, bash all the homosexuals.
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Speaker 11: Let's just pretend for a second that those T shirts
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Speaker 11: had that text on them, and we know exactly what
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Speaker 11: would happen. There would be the appropriate action under the
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Speaker 11: existing law. James, and I think this is the frustration
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Speaker 11: most Australians fhere. We don't need new laws. We need
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Speaker 11: to need the laws that we have to be policed
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Speaker 11: as if they actually mean something. Every time something like
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Speaker 11: this happens, you know, you know, people like Tony Burke
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Speaker 11: and sometimes Prime Minister Albanazi turn around and go careful.
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Speaker 11: We can't have any Islamophobia like it's an absolute exercise
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Speaker 11: in gas lighting the citizens of this country. Those T
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Speaker 11: shirts violate, my understanding, a number of basic laws in
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Speaker 11: this country, one of them being incitement to violence. You
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Speaker 11: cannot claim that it's trite or nuanced or you know,
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Speaker 11: just tongue in cheek for the lolls. This is a
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Speaker 11: person with the stated intention selling these shirts at a mosque,
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Speaker 11: which is provocative in itself, and good on the AmAm
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Speaker 11: for distancing himself. Absolutely, we all know that this is
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Speaker 11: just an extension of the cancer of anti Semitism in
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Speaker 11: this country, of which Victoria is sadly the epicenter.
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Speaker 2: I mean, James asked me, what do you make well,
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Speaker 2: I just think that when you talk about the freed
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Speaker 2: social cohesion we have in so many places like Melbourne,
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Speaker 2: this is not on.
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Speaker 12: I think these shirts are abhorrent, to be quite frank,
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Speaker 12: But I think what's more concerning is the fact that
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Speaker 12: this is a Palestinian teaming up with Black Sovereign Movement
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Speaker 12: here in Australia, the same organization that seems to be
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Speaker 12: the one that Lydia Thorpe and I'm not suggesting for
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Speaker 12: a moment she's behind these, but it's the same group
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Speaker 12: that Black Sovereign Movement teaming up with the Palestinians for
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Speaker 12: these absolute hateful t shirts. Now, at some point somebody
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Speaker 12: has to put this before the courts.
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Speaker 5: If it's good.
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Speaker 12: Enough for Paula and Hansen to end up before a
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Speaker 12: federal court in this country after telling someone to po
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Speaker 12: back to Pakistan, At what point are we going to
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Speaker 12: put someone responsible for these shirts that purely incite violence
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Speaker 12: before a human rights commission and say pay up? Because
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Speaker 12: paul and Hanson's in the trough for a million dollars
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Speaker 12: for simply saying what she said. How much will these
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Speaker 12: people be in the can for if they're hauled before
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Speaker 12: the courts? This is incitement, It's horrible and I feel
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Speaker 12: very sorry for the Jewish community to again go through this.
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Speaker 2: Well said James as There's just no place for this
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Speaker 2: in a civilized society. Hey, before I let you guys go,
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about this latest proposal from the Greens.
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Speaker 2: We've got an election coming up, possibly a matter of weeks.
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Speaker 2: They want to have a big shake up to the
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Speaker 2: leader's debates. They are demanding They've got a list of
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Speaker 2: demands the Greens. They want the ABC to become the
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Speaker 2: official host of the debates and they want to have
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Speaker 2: the Greens get a spot on the stage.
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Speaker 1: So it's now a.
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Speaker 2: Three way debate between the Coalition, Labor and the Greens
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Speaker 2: gematog needy is this proposition to goer.
21:09
Speaker 11: We'll talk about delusions of grandeur James for starters, you know,
21:12
Speaker 11: wanting to be part of the big game when really
21:14
Speaker 11: they've been a fringe player for as long as anyone
21:16
Speaker 11: can remember. And we're nearly wiped out in the Queensland election.
21:19
Speaker 11: I mean part of me says, yeah, let them rip
21:21
Speaker 11: so all of Australia can see how just completely unhinged,
21:25
Speaker 11: file toxic and hate hate field that party is for
21:29
Speaker 11: this country. But on the other hand, I think stick
21:31
Speaker 11: them in the corner and treat them like the annoying
21:33
Speaker 11: blowfly that they are. Just swap them occasionally or give
21:35
Speaker 11: them a good dose of morteine. But the ABC, you know,
21:39
Speaker 11: their proposal for the ABC to be the official, you know,
21:43
Speaker 11: broadcaster of these debates because of you know, some weird
21:47
Speaker 11: idea that they might be unbiased. I mean, this is
21:50
Speaker 11: just again, this is just fanciful, completely fanciful nonsense from
21:55
Speaker 11: this party that hates our country. Anyone who thinks the
21:58
Speaker 11: ABC is going to be unbiased needs to have their
22:00
Speaker 11: head raised.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely out of billion dollars a year to the head
22:03
Speaker 2: of a country. James Ashby I just when I first
22:05
Speaker 2: saw the headline of this, I thought this was the
22:06
Speaker 2: setup to one of your brilliant Paul Enhance in One
22:09
Speaker 2: Nation cartoons. What do you think of this idea?
22:14
Speaker 5: Well, we actually.
22:15
Speaker 12: Want the debates to be held on a network with
22:17
Speaker 12: an audience, not the ABC, and at done a very
22:22
Speaker 12: good job with the previous debates that have been held
22:26
Speaker 12: on a state level and federally as well, so I'd
22:29
Speaker 12: like to see it continue on Sky. Look, Clive Palmer
22:33
Speaker 12: tried this trick many years ago as well. He wanted
22:35
Speaker 12: center stage along with the latest debate. He didn't get
22:38
Speaker 12: his way. I don't think the GRAIN.
22:39
Speaker 1: Should have it.
22:41
Speaker 12: Just let's keep it to the main political parties that
22:44
Speaker 12: will have a chance of governing after this election.
22:47
Speaker 2: Well said James Ashby. Thank you so much, James, Thank
22:50
Speaker 2: you so much, Jema Targnini for joining me tonight. Now
22:52
Speaker 2: let's move on here, because, as I mentioned at the
22:54
Speaker 2: top of the show, Donald Trump has refused to rule
22:57
Speaker 2: using military force to take over the Panama Canal and Greenland,
23:01
Speaker 2: arguing that US control of both are important for national security.
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Speaker 4: We need Greenland for national security purposes. I've been told
23:10
Speaker 4: that for a long time, long before I even ran.
23:13
Speaker 4: I mean, people have been talking about it for a
23:15
Speaker 4: long time. You have approximately forty five thousand people there.
23:19
Speaker 4: People really don't even know if Denmark has an illegal
23:23
Speaker 4: right to it, but if they do, they should give
23:26
Speaker 4: it up because we needed for national security. That's for
23:28
Speaker 4: the free world. I'm talking about protecting the free world.
23:31
Speaker 2: Well, joining me now to discuss this and a lot
23:33
Speaker 2: more is past chair of the Parliament's Foreign Affairs and
23:36
Speaker 2: Defense Committee, Michael Danby. Michael, thanks so much for joining
23:40
Speaker 2: me tonight.
23:40
Speaker 3: You all right, great?
23:42
Speaker 2: What do you make of Trump's ambitions to control Greenland
23:45
Speaker 2: and the Panama Canal?
23:47
Speaker 1: What do you make of all this?
23:49
Speaker 3: Well, I don't make of it. What seeing inmates of it?
23:51
Speaker 14: Literally an attack by Trump with the military on Greenland.
23:56
Speaker 14: This is a negotiation. Trump is not even prison yet.
24:00
Speaker 14: He's opening the batting by suggesting that Denmark needs to spend.
24:04
Speaker 3: More on defense.
24:05
Speaker 14: And then on both occasions, Denmark and Greenland need to
24:09
Speaker 14: be concerned about Beijing's activities in.
24:12
Speaker 3: Greenland because Greenland.
24:13
Speaker 14: Is very strategically cited across the Arctic between China, Russia
24:22
Speaker 14: and America, and it's a legitimate area of concern.
24:25
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be my top priority the Panama Canal.
24:28
Speaker 14: Likewise, five percent of international shipping traffic goes through there.
24:33
Speaker 14: I'd be more concerned about the Red Sea because that's
24:35
Speaker 14: fifteen percent there. But the Chinese companies Beijing has bought
24:42
Speaker 14: at least two of the five concessions on the Panama Canal.
24:45
Speaker 14: And if you're an American, a military person in particular,
24:49
Speaker 14: worried about shipping through the Panama Canal in times of crisis,
24:54
Speaker 14: you'd be very concerned about China's role in that.
24:56
Speaker 3: And I think the.
24:57
Speaker 14: Best way is put a bit of pressure on the
24:59
Speaker 14: Panamanian Donald's and numb buy some of the concisions back
25:03
Speaker 14: off the Chinese.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, and I think you've absolutely got it
25:06
Speaker 2: right where so many people have gotten it wrong. Trump
25:08
Speaker 2: is a negotiator. These are always just opening gambits, and
25:11
Speaker 2: he's always looking to distract you while he's doing something else.
25:14
Speaker 2: I've been watching him since I was a kid in
25:16
Speaker 2: New York City, and this is always the way. It's
25:18
Speaker 2: amazing they have still.
25:20
Speaker 1: Fallen for it.
25:21
Speaker 2: But Donald Trump also had some strong words of warning
25:25
Speaker 2: for Hamas when it comes to the hostages who are
25:28
Speaker 2: still being held captain in Gaza.
25:29
Speaker 1: Have listen to this.
25:31
Speaker 4: If those hostages aren't back, I don't want to hurt
25:34
Speaker 4: your negotiation. If they're not back by the time I
25:37
Speaker 4: get into office, all hell will break out in the
25:41
Speaker 4: Middle East, and it will not be good for Hamas,
25:44
Speaker 4: and it will not be good frankly for anyone.
25:46
Speaker 3: All hell will break out.
25:48
Speaker 4: I don't have to say anymore, but that's what it is.
25:50
Speaker 1: Now.
25:51
Speaker 2: Reports have come out that Hamas has put together a
25:53
Speaker 2: list of thirty four hostages it is now potentially willing
25:56
Speaker 2: to release as part of a ceasefire deal. Does this
25:59
Speaker 2: suggest that Trump's tough talk where Joe Biden failed to
26:03
Speaker 2: do anything in the way of tough talk since October
26:05
Speaker 2: seventh regarding Hamas, is going to actually pay some results
26:09
Speaker 2: here at least.
26:10
Speaker 3: It's getting us to the starting blocks.
26:12
Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 14: The problem is that HAMAS wants a huge number of
26:16
Speaker 14: political prisoners have been convicted of capital crimes. It wants
26:21
Speaker 14: to substitute live hostages for the bodies of hostages who
26:26
Speaker 14: passed away. So all of these things are still problematic,
26:29
Speaker 14: but it's the Trump pressure that's counting.
26:32
Speaker 3: And let's explain something to odd dear friends. At the ABC.
26:36
Speaker 14: Even Secretary Blinken has been saying repeatedly and in the
26:40
Speaker 14: New York Times you've read it, James, that it's Harmas.
26:43
Speaker 3: That's blocking the deal.
26:44
Speaker 14: The Israelis are willing to make concessions to get there
26:47
Speaker 14: four hostages out of those depraved circumstances with these beasts
26:52
Speaker 14: in the airless tunnels underneath Gaza. But something is going
26:58
Speaker 14: to happen. The pressure will come not just on Mohammed Sinwar,
27:03
Speaker 14: who that Trump may say, can be assassinated like Hania
27:09
Speaker 14: or Masralla.
27:10
Speaker 3: It could come on Turkey and Iran.
27:14
Speaker 14: Turkey has gone to Hamas leaders there, and I can
27:18
Speaker 14: imagine Donald bringing up Dwan saying, Allah, Tony soprano, now
27:23
Speaker 14: you get those guys, will give them the Midnight Express
27:26
Speaker 14: treatment to release those hostages. And he also could free
27:30
Speaker 14: up the sent coom to bomb sam MYRGC sites in Iran.
27:35
Speaker 14: Because after all, James, as we know, the Iranians are
27:38
Speaker 14: the ones who are the paymasters of Hamas, Ezbela, et cetera.
27:43
Speaker 3: This is a seven front war.
27:44
Speaker 14: It's not just the Gaza, the poor Palestinians in Gaza
27:48
Speaker 14: that are subject of all of this. It's a seven
27:51
Speaker 14: Front war against israel I. Wish the ABC would explain
27:54
Speaker 14: that to its listeners and to all.
27:55
Speaker 2: Australians absolutely right now, I want to come back here
27:58
Speaker 2: a little closer to the home where Home Affairs Minister
28:00
Speaker 2: Tony Brook is under fire or following revelations the government
28:04
Speaker 2: has canceled fewer than five visas in religion to anti
28:09
Speaker 2: Semitic rhetoric or conduct since October twenty three. James Patterson,
28:14
Speaker 2: the opposite in Home Affairs Folkson, has slammed the government's response.
28:18
Speaker 2: And I want to ask you, Michael Daby, do you
28:21
Speaker 2: really think you know this is good enough?
28:24
Speaker 3: This is a crazy policy.
28:26
Speaker 14: Since when did Australia arrogate to itself the fact that
28:29
Speaker 14: we're getting three thousand people from a war zone that
28:32
Speaker 14: are only imperfectly checked. Only when Home Affairs are referres
28:38
Speaker 14: int Asio are they checked.
28:39
Speaker 3: This is ridiculous. Tony Burke better.
28:42
Speaker 14: Hope that some of those people who is allowed to
28:45
Speaker 14: remain in Australia don't get involved in any other incidents,
28:48
Speaker 14: because he will. You know, there'll be a political hanging
28:52
Speaker 14: party for them if he does.
28:54
Speaker 3: I also think.
28:55
Speaker 14: The one of the worst decisions that this government has made.
28:58
Speaker 3: In this Middle East policy comes from him.
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Speaker 14: Again with the thirteen page interrogation he subjects all Israeli
29:05
Speaker 14: tourists to. There are no such interrogations for people coming
29:10
Speaker 14: from Greece, or from Turkey, or from any democratic country
29:15
Speaker 14: in Europe parallel to the Israelis. Not even people from
29:19
Speaker 14: China or Russia a subject to this. He wants to
29:22
Speaker 14: know their family history in these interrogations. He wants to
29:25
Speaker 14: know what units their parents served in the military. Where
29:29
Speaker 14: is this information going? Tony Burk's got a real be
29:34
Speaker 14: in his ear and this is a terrible policy. And
29:37
Speaker 14: hopefully when Mark Trefis goes to Israel, the Israelis will implore.
29:43
Speaker 3: Him and get him to come back to Australia and
29:45
Speaker 3: have it reversed.
29:46
Speaker 2: Well, if only he was Patty one going over there
29:48
Speaker 2: rather than Drefist.
29:50
Speaker 1: But anyway, there we are.
29:52
Speaker 2: Michael Danby, thank you so much for your time and
29:54
Speaker 2: for walking us through all of that. And I don't
29:55
Speaker 2: go anywhere because we've got so much more on the
29:58
Speaker 2: show after the break. What lesson can we learn from
30:01
Speaker 2: the stoush over migration and a lot more else which
30:04
Speaker 2: is heating up in the UK. Plus a bombshell report
30:07
Speaker 2: WARN's one state could be facing major winter blackouts all
30:13
Speaker 2: because of green power. Coming up a little bit later
30:15
Speaker 2: on in the show. Don't want to miss it. Welcome
30:21
Speaker 2: back to the program. James Brow here sitting in for
30:24
Speaker 2: Peter Kretline this week, and I'm very pleased to be
30:26
Speaker 2: joined now in the studio by Peter Curtie. He's the
30:29
Speaker 2: director of the Culture, Prosperity and Civil Society Program at
30:34
Speaker 2: the Center for Independent Studies, and he is also a
30:37
Speaker 2: great expert on citizenship and multiculturalism and all of the
30:41
Speaker 2: responsibilities that go along with those sorts of things. And
30:45
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to you, Peter, because there's so
30:47
Speaker 2: many stories right now out there about migration, which is
30:51
Speaker 2: this huge issue. And I was struck by a story
30:53
Speaker 2: in The Australian which said that the Administrative Appeals Tribunal
30:58
Speaker 2: has been taking attack by a court because a couple
31:01
Speaker 2: of people that it was going to kick out of
31:03
Speaker 2: the country that are in charge of canceling visas. One
31:06
Speaker 2: alleged students who hadn't completed their studies, it was said,
31:09
Speaker 2: and another two had a allegedly bashed their pregnant partner
31:13
Speaker 2: that those decisions were incorrect.
31:15
Speaker 1: But I have a question for you.
31:17
Speaker 2: What does it do for a country like this when
31:19
Speaker 2: you know we want to be all multicultural, and yet
31:22
Speaker 2: when people step out of line, or a scene step
31:25
Speaker 2: out of line, they get chance after chance after chance
31:28
Speaker 2: to stay in the country and appeal and appeal and
31:31
Speaker 2: appeal at taxpayer expense.
31:33
Speaker 15: I think it's a big challenge because we are, as
31:36
Speaker 15: you say, a successful multicultural country, and yet the question
31:40
Speaker 15: arises who belongs here and who doesn't belong here? And
31:43
Speaker 15: it seems to me increasingly that people are becoming the
31:45
Speaker 15: members of the public are becoming very concerned because there
31:50
Speaker 15: are people who come to this country who transgress our
31:53
Speaker 15: norms and our laws and our ways of life and
31:57
Speaker 15: yet get to stay. And I think many of us
32:00
Speaker 15: feel that if you are going to be a part
32:02
Speaker 15: of Australian society, you you need to comply with and
32:06
Speaker 15: subscribe to those norms and values and not breach them
32:10
Speaker 15: and then expect to be able to stay.
32:12
Speaker 1: Well.
32:12
Speaker 2: I want to get to know the way we inculcate
32:15
Speaker 2: those responsibilities and teach people who come to this country
32:18
Speaker 2: to love it and be part of it and not
32:20
Speaker 2: just treat it as a hotel or an economic base.
32:23
Speaker 2: But Britain, Great Britain UK is having far greater problems
32:27
Speaker 2: at the moment. You would be aware of the controversies
32:30
Speaker 2: around the way mostly Pakistani men who have been accused
32:34
Speaker 2: and actually committed some really violent and horrendous organized sexual
32:38
Speaker 2: attacks have been treated.
32:40
Speaker 1: Now the Tories are.
32:42
Speaker 2: Saying that migrants who come from cultures that do not
32:45
Speaker 2: respect women, that behave in certain ways should be blocked
32:48
Speaker 2: from coming into the country if they've got what Kemy
32:51
Speaker 2: Badenock calls medieval attitudes towards women. Should we be more
32:55
Speaker 2: selective about who we let into the country here.
32:58
Speaker 15: Well, it's actually Robert Jenrick, one of her colleagues, who
33:01
Speaker 15: use the term medieval attitudes, And I think, well, medieval
33:04
Speaker 15: is a bit of a bit of a misnower because
33:06
Speaker 15: it gives the idea that nothing good come out of
33:08
Speaker 15: the Middle Age.
33:09
Speaker 1: Well, this is.
33:11
Speaker 15: True, but I think what generic is getting at is
33:13
Speaker 15: again this idea that there is a if you like,
33:16
Speaker 15: a social model, that people need to subscribe to those
33:19
Speaker 15: institutions and norms and principles and laws that build a
33:23
Speaker 15: prosperous society. And many people come to the UK and
33:27
Speaker 15: have done for a long time from countries with dysfunctional
33:31
Speaker 15: social models, and they find that in fact they can't
33:36
Speaker 15: or won't, or simply refuse to abide by the norms
33:40
Speaker 15: and principles of the United Kingdom of a host country.
33:44
Speaker 15: And I think this is one of the problems with multiculturism.
33:46
Speaker 15: I'm not opposed to multiculturalism, but I think that underlying
33:50
Speaker 15: any idea of a multicultural society there must be the
33:53
Speaker 15: principle of the nation a national identity. And that's a
33:56
Speaker 15: particular problem I think for us at the moment in Australia.
34:00
Speaker 2: I think it's a problem across the Western world, where
34:02
Speaker 2: the progressive world seems to me to have taken on
34:05
Speaker 2: this idea that migration is almost a holy thing and
34:09
Speaker 2: that if you're a migrant, you're almost above criticism. And
34:11
Speaker 2: I was struck by this week in Congress in the
34:15
Speaker 2: United States, they passed a bill named after a young
34:18
Speaker 2: woman who was killed by an illegal migrant in a
34:21
Speaker 2: horrendous circumstance. It only passed though, by two hundred and
34:25
Speaker 2: sixty four to one hundred and fifty nine, so there
34:27
Speaker 2: were one hundred and fifty nine people, mostly Democrats, who
34:30
Speaker 2: said that it would be okay if you committed crimes
34:32
Speaker 2: not to be turned over to the federal authorities. What
34:37
Speaker 2: is happening here, because it seems to me that if
34:39
Speaker 2: you're very sympathetic to migrants, you would want to get
34:42
Speaker 2: rid of the criminal ones to promote the good ones
34:45
Speaker 2: who we all know are out there.
34:46
Speaker 15: Well, I look down the list of those representatives. Yeah,
34:49
Speaker 15: House of Representatives verted against the bill, and most of
34:51
Speaker 15: them came from California, or a lot of them came
34:53
Speaker 15: from California. And one only has to look at California
34:56
Speaker 15: to see where there's a culture of.
34:59
Speaker 1: Victim that prevails.
35:00
Speaker 15: The idea that those who are offenders are somehow victims
35:04
Speaker 15: of hardship and need to be it needs to be
35:07
Speaker 15: protected and need to be nurtured by society rather than punished,
35:11
Speaker 15: means that, in fact, that people can act with impunity,
35:13
Speaker 15: and that, as we know, is a social and legal
35:15
Speaker 15: problem that's running rife now in California. I mean there
35:18
Speaker 15: still were representatives of by the states that both Yeah,
35:20
Speaker 15: I was struck by the number of reps from California.
35:24
Speaker 2: Who but California also, I mean, you do California. Well,
35:26
Speaker 2: it's a state that has been overtaken by this sort
35:29
Speaker 2: of progressive mind a lot almost and it does seem that,
35:34
Speaker 2: you know, some of this migration policy does seem to
35:37
Speaker 2: be about almost preferencing the rights of people who come
35:40
Speaker 2: in from other countries as no matter who they are,
35:42
Speaker 2: to the people who have already been there.
35:45
Speaker 1: And you sort of see this with the United Kingdom.
35:47
Speaker 2: You know that working class Britons were discarded in favor
35:51
Speaker 2: of the pieties of multiculturalism. We see the same thing
35:53
Speaker 2: in California. You've written about this causing fragmentation and identity
35:58
Speaker 2: politics and that we need to get back to this
36:00
Speaker 2: hear that citizenship is actually something that is a responsibility,
36:04
Speaker 2: not just a right. Are we getting this right in Australia.
36:07
Speaker 1: I don't think we are.
36:08
Speaker 15: And the key word that used is rights because we
36:11
Speaker 15: have such an emphasis on the rights that go with citizenship.
36:14
Speaker 15: And certainly there are rights that go with being an
36:16
Speaker 15: Australian citizen, but we neglect to speak about the duties
36:20
Speaker 15: that go with citizenship. And those duties, I mean, they're
36:22
Speaker 15: not encoded in law, but they are certainly encoded in
36:25
Speaker 15: the norms of our society. There are the duties of
36:29
Speaker 15: participation of mutual respect of tolerance, and I think a
36:33
Speaker 15: sense of civic pride. And well, that's one something that
36:35
Speaker 15: we are struggling with in particular Australia. We see that,
36:37
Speaker 15: we see that every year around Australia.
36:40
Speaker 2: Well, I was about to ask about this because you know,
36:42
Speaker 2: I would think that if you're a migrant, let's say
36:44
Speaker 2: you come from.
36:45
Speaker 1: Let's just say India for example.
36:46
Speaker 2: And you know you've come here with your family, and
36:48
Speaker 2: you've set up in one of our suburbs here, and
36:51
Speaker 2: you know, you've got a job and you're working, and
36:53
Speaker 2: you know you like the place and everything like that.
36:54
Speaker 2: But then your kids go to school and they're told
36:57
Speaker 2: this place is horrible. It's on stall and land. When
37:00
Speaker 2: you go out and you turn on the ABC when
37:01
Speaker 2: you're driving to work and you hear what a horrible,
37:03
Speaker 2: stolen land, racist place it is. Do we need to
37:06
Speaker 2: do better about not talking ourselves down?
37:08
Speaker 15: Yes, I think we do need to do better. And
37:10
Speaker 15: I think many of the people who came to this
37:12
Speaker 15: country from the say, the Indian subcontinent forty or fifty
37:16
Speaker 15: years ago, are deeply committed to Australia in its way
37:19
Speaker 15: of life, and they want their kids to have a
37:21
Speaker 15: better way of life than they had, certainly when they
37:24
Speaker 15: came to this country. And I think those are the
37:26
Speaker 15: people who are deeply committed. So it doesn't matter where
37:28
Speaker 15: you come from, it's the attitude that you bring. And
37:31
Speaker 15: I think one of the problems that we one of
37:33
Speaker 15: the challenges that we face in Australia at the moment,
37:35
Speaker 15: and our warrant that in twenty days time this will
37:38
Speaker 15: erupt again all over the news, is we are uncomfortable
37:41
Speaker 15: about the idea of being proud of our nation, of
37:46
Speaker 15: our achievements, and proud of what we said for which
37:48
Speaker 15: is not to say that there's nothing bad about Australia
37:51
Speaker 15: or that Australia has never erred, but it's to say
37:53
Speaker 15: that we can be proud. And if we inculcate that
37:56
Speaker 15: sense of civic and national pride, I think that we
38:00
Speaker 15: can start to build that sense of of the duty,
38:03
Speaker 15: of the duties that go with being a citizen. As
38:05
Speaker 15: much as the riots.
38:07
Speaker 2: Peter Curti, we're gonna have to leave with them, and
38:08
Speaker 2: thank you so much for insights as always much appreciated.
38:11
Speaker 2: Now don't go anywhere because after the break we're going
38:14
Speaker 2: to find out about the state that's going to have
38:16
Speaker 2: potential blackouts in the colder months when those are coming
38:20
Speaker 2: right around the corner, And new research reveals the extraordinary
38:24
Speaker 2: cost of renewables in yet another reality check for Chris Bowen.
38:29
Speaker 2: But Willie listen, we'll find out after the break. Hey,
38:35
Speaker 2: welcome back to the program. Let's rip right into it here.
38:38
Speaker 2: There could be major power pain on the way for Victorians,
38:41
Speaker 2: with the state's power costs set to surge from the
38:45
Speaker 2: lowest in the country to the highest, according to a
38:47
Speaker 2: bombshell new report warning that there could be blackouts in
38:51
Speaker 2: Victoria during the colder months when residents are stung with
38:54
Speaker 2: skyrocketing power bills. Joining me now is former Speaker of
38:59
Speaker 2: the House Bromin bi and libertarian commentator Kristin Abraham Brownwin.
39:03
Speaker 2: Let's get right into it. This is really dire stuff here,
39:06
Speaker 2: this report. Huge costs on the way attached for renewable
39:10
Speaker 2: energy despite it being the cheapest form of power, and
39:13
Speaker 2: Victoria could be in the firing line for blackouts.
39:17
Speaker 13: Why are we not surprised, Well, we're not sur Most
39:20
Speaker 13: sensible people have known all along at the cost of
39:24
Speaker 13: wind and solar, plus what it takes to convert it
39:27
Speaker 13: into energy in the home or anything else is hugely expensive.
39:33
Speaker 13: It is far more expensive than coal and it's more
39:36
Speaker 13: expensive than nuclear. So why are we surprised that Victoria,
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Speaker 13: the once great manufacturing state, with its anti gas policies
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Speaker 13: electrification of the state, why are we surprised that it's
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Speaker 13: going to face blackouts when it's closed down already major
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Speaker 13: power stations and is trying to get rid of the
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Speaker 13: rest as well.
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Speaker 2: And Kristin, I want to go to you on this
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Speaker 2: here too, because you know, as a libertarian, I'd love
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Speaker 2: to hear your reaction to the thought of three hundred
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Speaker 2: billion dollars of our money being torched by government's current
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Speaker 2: and future to achieve this renewables out come. How is
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Speaker 2: this at all worth it?
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Speaker 7: It's not worth it, is the answer to that, James.
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Speaker 7: And I'm a Victorian as well, so I hear these
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Speaker 7: things that it's like nails on a chalk board for me,
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Speaker 7: because it's honestly cringe worthy. We went to a referendum
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Speaker 7: for the Voice and we now have the data that
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Speaker 7: we get to turn around and go Sixty percent of
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Speaker 7: Australians voted one way, and I hope that we can
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Speaker 7: go to and as a libertarian, I never thought i'd
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Speaker 7: say this. I hope we can go to a referendum
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Speaker 7: on energy and renewables, because I guarantee you the people
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Speaker 7: in electorates that are struggling will turn around and say,
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Speaker 7: we can't afford this renewable path that we're going down.
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Speaker 7: Our energy prices are crazy. We can't afford to not
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Speaker 7: have reliable power anymore. And if the people in the
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Speaker 7: Teal electorates want to have renewable energy, they're more than
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Speaker 7: welcome to do that. You fund the whole Teal electorate
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Speaker 7: on that, but do not take the rest of Victoria
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Speaker 7: down with you on this pipe dream that will never happen.
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Speaker 7: We will continue to see more reports like this if it.
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Speaker 5: Continues down this path.
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Speaker 7: It's three hundred billion dollars is too much.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think you're absolutely right. And windmills for Waringa
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Speaker 2: I think should be a great campaign slogan to bring
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Speaker 2: green energy to some of those Teal electorates. Now, Rowin,
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Speaker 2: I want to go on to you here because we've
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Speaker 2: had a shocking story this week about reported exclusively in
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Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph about the ADF and recruitment and apparently
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Speaker 2: tens of thousands of young Australians have been trying to
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Speaker 2: get into the ADF but there's some Swiss recruiting firm
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Speaker 2: that's been bungling their applications and so on at a
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Speaker 2: cost of more than a billion dollars At a time
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Speaker 2: when you would think we would want to be getting
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Speaker 2: as many young, willing and able, eager young people under
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Speaker 2: arms to defend our country at this time of great
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Speaker 2: geopolitical stress.
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Speaker 13: The accent is on young able Australians.
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Speaker 1: Yes, the idea.
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Speaker 13: We've got a minister who again fails in leadership. Mister
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Speaker 13: Miles absolutely has no idea about what it means to
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Speaker 13: be a defence minister of this country. You've got a
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Speaker 13: process in the Defense Department whereby they've pushed it out
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Speaker 13: to be done by a different agency. One point four
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Speaker 13: billion dollars they're being paid, but the minister cannot say, oh,
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Speaker 13: that's their problem, it's not my problem. It comes from
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Speaker 13: the top. And if you're going to see recruitment enhanced
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Speaker 13: in this country, you want strength. You want to see
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Speaker 13: that they know what the job of the Defense Force is.
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Speaker 13: It is to defend Australia. It is not to be
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Speaker 13: some form of social laboratory, which is what has been
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Speaker 13: turned into Now. The two questions are not that separate.
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Speaker 13: If you've got a leadership a minister who doesn't care
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Speaker 13: about making sure that the defense force knows what its
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Speaker 13: job is, then how are you going to indeed inculcate
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Speaker 13: that ethos into some agency that has been tasked with
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Speaker 13: the job of doing recruitment. It's got to be cleaned
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Speaker 13: up and it's got to be held responsible at the
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Speaker 13: top for mister Miles.
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Speaker 2: And it's got to be done now because now we
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Speaker 2: don't have any time twice.
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Speaker 13: When we get rid of this government, and this is
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Speaker 13: just another reason to do so. Wait, will we have
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Speaker 13: a very esteemed regarded ex soldier who would be the
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Speaker 13: Minister for Defense. Wait and see what that will mean
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Speaker 13: the process.
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Speaker 1: That would be very good.
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Speaker 2: Hey, before I let you guys go, christ I want
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Speaker 2: to ask you about another problem here. Labor could be
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Speaker 2: hit with a seven point four billion dollar budget black
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Speaker 2: hole blowout?
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Speaker 1: Do too?
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Speaker 2: I love this the Albanezer government's decision to put aside
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Speaker 2: almost no money for public sector where rises again tell us,
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Speaker 2: as a libertarian, how are you feeling about this government's
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Speaker 2: mismanagement of our money?
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Speaker 1: Because seven point four billion dollars. That starts to add up.
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Speaker 7: I think that we should be questioning the education that
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Speaker 7: these parliamentarians got and Jim Chalmers, Anthony Albanezi because anyone
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Speaker 7: that has any understanding of business or payroll, just financial
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Speaker 7: in general will know that super goes up one July,
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Speaker 7: you know, the last several years because the government legislated that,
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Speaker 7: that wages go up every year, because we're bringing forward
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Speaker 7: the minimum wage because the government also legislates that. And
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Speaker 7: yet they didn't build that into the budget. It's either
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Speaker 7: gross incompetence or they've done it so they can try
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Speaker 7: and get a budget slurpeless past us.
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Speaker 1: It blows my mind. It is, it is poor form.
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Speaker 1: It's absolutely mind blowing.
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Speaker 2: Going to have live with there, Chris and they Abraham
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Speaker 2: Ralin Bishop, thank you so much for being here on
44:59
Speaker 2: credit and tonight. Now stick around after the break. We
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Speaker 2: got a lot more of the PM has announced another
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Speaker 2: major cashplash for Queensland and we're going to get into
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Speaker 2: Meta and Facebook's big decision.
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Speaker 1: To stop censoring users.
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Speaker 2: Imagine that. Liberal MP Andrew Wallace joins me. Next, Welcome
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Speaker 2: back to the program. Now big news here today because
45:27
Speaker 2: Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg has announced the company we'll scrap
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Speaker 2: its fact checking program across all platforms, and we know
45:35
Speaker 2: how that fact checking sort of stuff generally works. It's
45:38
Speaker 2: going to be instead replaced by community notes, similar to
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Speaker 2: what we see on x, which allows users to add
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Speaker 2: context to and debate posts. Here's a bit of Mark
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Speaker 2: zucker but explaining his decision.
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Speaker 16: I started building social media to give people a voice.
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Speaker 16: I gave a speech at Georgetown five years ago about
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Speaker 16: the importance of protecting free expression and I still believe
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Speaker 16: this today. But a lot has happened over the last
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Speaker 16: several years. There's been widespread debate about potential harms from
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Speaker 16: online content. Governments and legacy media have pushed to censor
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Speaker 16: more and more. A lot of this is clearly political.
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Speaker 2: Hey, let's bring in to talk about this, Liberal MP
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Speaker 2: Andrew Wallace. Andrew, I thought the most fascinating thing there
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Speaker 2: that Mark Zuckerberg said was there was pressure from governments.
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Speaker 2: Is this an admission that governments have been trying to
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Speaker 2: censor social media?
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Speaker 5: Well, James, thanks for having me on. Look.
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Speaker 17: I think this is probably more an example of Mark Zuckerberg,
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Speaker 17: who's a very intelligent, very savvy businessman smelling the political
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Speaker 17: breeze in the United States, particularly in relation to Elon
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Speaker 17: Musk's involvement with the incoming Trump administration and Elon Musk's
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Speaker 17: view on censorship. And I think it's pretty safe to
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Speaker 17: say that president incoming President Trump.
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Speaker 5: Will have similar views on censorship.
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Speaker 17: And this is just ill On Musk smelling that political
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Speaker 17: breeze and wanting to try and get ahead of the game.
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Speaker 2: Fair enough, hey, now listen, let's move on to the election.
47:06
Speaker 2: The countdown to the election is on. Anthony ALBANIZI has
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Speaker 2: been up in Queen's Land and he was up in
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Speaker 2: Mount ISAA announcing two hundred sixt of million dollars to
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Speaker 2: go towards housing community infrastructure. He has also been giving
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Speaker 2: out money for the Bruce Highway. Tell us about this,
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Speaker 2: what do you make of this and why didn't he
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Speaker 2: make these investments at the start of his term rather
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Speaker 2: at the end of this term.
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Speaker 5: Well, James, that's a very good question.
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Speaker 17: What we have seen over the last ninety three years
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Speaker 17: of this hopeless labor government is more than one point
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Speaker 17: two billion dollars in cuts to the Bruce Highway.
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Speaker 5: And that's under Anthony Albanisi. That's on Catherine King.
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Speaker 17: In my own electorate, we've seen significant cuts to very
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Speaker 17: important road projects and that's just in my patch. So
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Speaker 17: you know, Labor only holds five five seats in Queensland
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Speaker 17: and clearly they are spooped because they are concerned that
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Speaker 17: they're going to lose even more so, you know, the
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Speaker 17: Prime Minister has come up to Queensland thinking that he
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Speaker 17: can splash the money around.
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Speaker 5: But queensland is are too smart for that. They know
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Speaker 5: this bloke. They're on top of this.
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Speaker 17: Bloke and they know that he is absolutely disingenuous. And
48:23
Speaker 17: you know he's been, he has been. I used to
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Speaker 17: say that this blake was the worst prime minister since
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Speaker 17: GoF Whitlam. I don't say that anymore because I think
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Speaker 17: he's surpassed him. This is the worst government in Australian
48:36
Speaker 17: political history.
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Speaker 5: And I just bring on the election. Bring it on, James.
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Speaker 2: And very quickly, speaking of that election, yes or no
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Speaker 2: answer is power price is going to be the number
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Speaker 2: one issue for Queenslanders coming up to the election.
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Speaker 17: Look, power prices will be part of it, cost of
48:53
Speaker 17: living will be the number one issue. People are doing
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Speaker 17: it incredibly tough businesses, small businesses and households.
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Speaker 5: They are hurting big time.
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Speaker 17: And uh ed Andrew to kick someone.
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Speaker 2: Andrew, I'm gonna have to leave it there. Thank you
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Speaker 2: so much, Andrew once for driving from Queensland. That's it
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Speaker 2: from me for tonight. I'll see you tomorrow at six
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Speaker 2: o'clock Up Now The Bull Report with Danika de Giorgio