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Sharri | 24 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry Good Evening. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to the show tonight.
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Speaker 2: The world's leading banks back a call for nuclear energy,
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Speaker 2: but Albanizi thinks he knows better. War in Lebanon and
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Speaker 2: Israel heats up as the government urges Australians to leave
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Speaker 2: the region. Former Labor Minister Mike Kelly and Michael Sooker
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Speaker 2: would join me live. Mark Scott refuses to resign and
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Speaker 2: the pressure on him is mounting. Queensland Premier Stephen Miles
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Speaker 2: is facing a landslide loss against the Liberal National.
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Speaker 1: Party in the upcoming election.
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Speaker 2: More on that with Brodwin Bishop and Caleb Bond shortly
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Speaker 2: plus anger at law enforcement revealing in public there was
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Speaker 2: a bounty on Trump's head. But first tonight, let's start
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Speaker 2: with the war in Israel and Lebanon. Prime Minister Anthony
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Speaker 2: Alberizi is urging Australians in Lebanon to leave immediately as
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Speaker 2: fighting escalators and war looks inevitable. This is the war
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Speaker 2: Israel never wanted. It's the war Hesbela has been provoking
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Speaker 2: for nearly twelve months. Just one day after the October
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Speaker 2: seven attacks, when Israel was in shock in mourning and
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Speaker 2: still fighting off the terrorists in the south. That's when
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Speaker 2: Hesbela began its onslaught in the north. Since then, the
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Speaker 2: around proxy group has fired more than eight thousand rockets
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Speaker 2: and deployed hundreds of attack drones. Forty eight people who
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Speaker 2: have been killed and hundreds injured. The missiles have been indiscriminate,
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Speaker 2: intended to target Israeli civilians, and Hesbela, don't forget, also
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Speaker 2: killed twelve Israeli Drew's children while they were playing soccer.
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Speaker 2: These attacks, all of them, were clear acts of war
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Speaker 2: from Hesbela, unprovoked. If it weren't for Israel's high tech
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Speaker 2: defense systems, thousands more innocent civilians would.
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Speaker 1: Have been killed.
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Speaker 2: As it is, eighty thousand families have been evacuated from
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Speaker 2: their homes in northern Israel, and just recently Israel made
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Speaker 2: it clear that a new objective of the war was
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Speaker 2: for these families to return home, for schools to reopen,
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Speaker 2: for people to go back to work.
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Speaker 3: We will take whatever action is necessary to restore security
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Speaker 3: and to bring our people safe back to their homes.
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Speaker 2: Now, this is an understandable objective, and it's led to
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Speaker 2: Israel finally retaliating first with a warning the pager and
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Speaker 2: walkie talkie attacks. Then when Hesbela didn't stop, didn't get
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Speaker 2: the message. Well, now Israel has carried out an assault
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Speaker 2: on Hesbela targets with five hundred killed over an Now
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Speaker 2: Israel has begged the United Nations and the international community
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Speaker 2: for help in stopping Hesbelah. This hasn't worked. Benjamin Ettanyahu
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Speaker 2: wants Hesbelah to retreat north of the so called blue
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Speaker 2: line of the Latani River. This would remove the threat
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Speaker 2: of cross border incursions, and it was the YUN Secretary
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Speaker 2: General's two thousand declaration. Yet Foreign Minister pennywe here in
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Speaker 2: Australia apparently doesn't support Israel daring to defend itself against
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Speaker 2: a terror group that's been attacking its citizens almost daily
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Speaker 2: for the past year.
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Speaker 4: Mister hundreds did I've worked apparently in the rapidly read
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Speaker 4: up forming rights by Israel, and you talk of the escamation.
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Speaker 4: You're not feeding a lot of blood in your college.
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Speaker 4: But how can you avoid hid in some way Israel
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Speaker 4: bring hostilities like that?
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Speaker 5: Well, I again repeat what I said earlier, which we
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Speaker 5: are deeply concerned by this escalation.
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Speaker 1: And the loss.
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Speaker 6: Of civilian lives, and we would urge all parties to
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Speaker 6: de escalate.
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Speaker 2: And that's all we see from the alban Ezy government
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Speaker 2: constant criticism of Israel.
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Speaker 1: Pennywong says that Israel has.
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Speaker 2: The right to defend itself, but then when it does
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Speaker 2: against terrorism, she calls for Israel to de escalate or
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Speaker 2: to have a cease fire, in other words, to lay
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Speaker 2: down arms, to stop defending itself, to let its civilians
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Speaker 2: get killed. The Prime Minister today also reiterated the same
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Speaker 2: cause to stop Israel fighting.
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Speaker 7: Terrorists, Billy Pennywong and signaling that people need to leave Lebanon.
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Speaker 7: If they're Australian citizens, they should get out. Are you
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Speaker 7: very fearful of a growing an all out conflict in
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Speaker 7: the Middle East?
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Speaker 8: Well, i am, and we have called for a de escalation.
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Speaker 8: We've called for a ceasefire, We're called for hots Us
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Speaker 8: to be released, and we have called along with the
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Speaker 8: United States, for the support for Joe Biden's peace plan.
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Speaker 2: Now there's no reason for conflict between Israel and Lebanon.
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Speaker 2: And I weren't for the radical terrorist group Hezblah, Lebanon
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Speaker 2: and Israel would be allies and live side by side
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Speaker 2: in peace. It's a point Greg Sheridan made today.
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Speaker 9: There is no quarrel between Lebanon and Israel. Hez Bola
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Speaker 9: is a fundamentalist, extremist, fanatical She'i terrorist group, prescribed under
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Speaker 9: Australian law as a terrorist and outlawed terrorist organization. Its
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Speaker 9: core ideology involves a hatred of the West, a hatred
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Speaker 9: of Jews, a hatred of Israel, a determination to wipe
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Speaker 9: Israel off the map.
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Speaker 2: Now a lot of Australians have family in Lebanon and
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Speaker 2: will be looking on in horror about what's happening in
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Speaker 2: their country. The Lebanese population and Christians in particular, are
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Speaker 2: in dismay at the war.
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Speaker 1: Hesbela is on the brink of invoking.
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Speaker 2: There's no love lost between Hesbela and Lebanese Christians. The
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Speaker 2: fifteen year Lebanese Civil War only ended in nineteen ninety.
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Speaker 2: The suffering still a vivid memory, and it's why there
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Speaker 2: was so much goodwill and empathy by Lebanese Christians for
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Speaker 2: the Israelis attacked by Hermas on October seventh. No one
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Speaker 2: in Lebanon, or Israel or Australia wants to see innocent
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Speaker 2: civilians caught in the crossfire. And Yetiyahoo last night spoke
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Speaker 2: directly to Lebanese citizens, saying that Israel's war wasn't with them.
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Speaker 3: The Idea for Us warned you to get out of
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Speaker 3: Harm's work. I urge you take this warning seriously. Don't
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Speaker 3: let his balain danger your lives and the lives of
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Speaker 3: your loved ones. Don't let his Balain danger Lebanon.
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Speaker 2: There's no question the Islamic terror groups are wreaking havoc
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Speaker 2: in the Middle East thanks to the funding of Iran.
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Speaker 2: There's also increasing coordination between Hamas and Hesbela, all orchestrated
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Speaker 2: by Iran. Hamas leader Ishmael Haniya and HESBELA head Hassan
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Speaker 2: Nasrallah have even been pictured together.
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Speaker 1: You can see them on the screen.
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Speaker 2: They're united by their hatred for the West, for Jews,
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Speaker 2: and their desire to destroy Israel. And in this photograph
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Speaker 2: you can see the Harmas and Hesbela leadership meeting, and
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Speaker 2: there's photographs of Iran supreme leaders.
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Speaker 1: On the wall. Now.
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Speaker 2: HESBLA is one of the richest terror organizations globally. It's
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Speaker 2: on your budget around one billion dollars US, and Iran
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Speaker 2: gives the group hundreds of millions of dollars a year.
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Speaker 2: For nearly a year now, Israel has been urging Hesbela
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Speaker 2: to back down, saying it doesn't want.
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Speaker 1: To go to war.
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Speaker 2: Hesbela has chosen this path. It has chosen war. Perhaps
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Speaker 2: if the international community had put more effort into pressuring Hesbela,
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Speaker 2: her Mus and their supporters, if they truly squeezed a.
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Speaker 1: Ran, we may not be in this predicament. Now.
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Speaker 2: The nuclear debate is ramping up in Australia. Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: has outlined his vision in a major speech, but all
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Speaker 2: the Easy is hell bent on attacking it.
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Speaker 10: Each nuclear plant will create hundreds or thousands of new
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Speaker 10: jobs too. New industries will flourish, thousands of jobs will
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Speaker 10: be created. It will set our country and our manufacturing
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Speaker 10: sectors up for generations to come.
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Speaker 3: Because we know it doesn't add up.
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Speaker 11: That's why, along with their anti capitalism agenda, they're saying
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Speaker 11: that the state should own all the nuclear power plants
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Speaker 11: because no one in any market based system would go
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Speaker 11: anywhere near it.
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Speaker 2: It's starting to look more and more unusual that Alban
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Speaker 2: Easy is so against nuclear energy being part of Australia's
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Speaker 2: mix when he's clearly now at odds with the international community.
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Speaker 2: Around thirty countries internationally are embracing nuclear already, and now
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Speaker 2: the world's largest banks have pledged support for nuclear The
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Speaker 2: Financial Times reporting today that fourteen of the world's biggest
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Speaker 2: banks and financial institutions are pledging to increase their support
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Speaker 2: for nuclear energy, a move that governments and industry hope
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Speaker 2: will unlock finance for a new wave of nuclear power.
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Speaker 2: Plants and White House officials held a meeting in New
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Speaker 2: York on Monday with the Bank of America, Barclays, BNP, Parabus,
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Speaker 2: City Dog, and Stanley and Goldman Sachs to support a
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Speaker 2: goal to triple the world's nuclear energy capacity by twenty fifty.
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Speaker 2: They say this is part of the transition to low
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Speaker 2: carbon energy, and in fact BNP told The Financial Times
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Speaker 2: there's no scenario where the world can hit carbon neutrality
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Speaker 2: by twenty fifty without nuclear power. Yet still alban Easy
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Speaker 2: thinks he knows better than the White House and the
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Speaker 2: major banks. He's turning the idea of nuclear energy into
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Speaker 2: an attack on Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 8: This is just a fantasy.
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Speaker 11: Instead of snow White and the Seven Dwarves, this is
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Speaker 11: Peter Dutton, the seven nuclear reactors, but.
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Speaker 2: Why does Albineazy think he knows more about energy security
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Speaker 2: and sustainability than the world's smartest people. Once again, he's
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Speaker 2: clearly out of step with the international community, and once
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Speaker 2: again it's all because of petty politics. All right, lots
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Speaker 2: to come on the show tonight. Former Labor Minister Mike
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Speaker 2: Kelly would join me shortly. He's going to be very strong. Also,
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Speaker 2: Michael Silker coming up on the show. But first let's
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Speaker 2: go to my usual Tuesday panel, former Speaker of the
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Speaker 2: House Bronwin Bishop and Sky News host Caleb Bond.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: Look, Bron, I want to start by getting your reaction
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Speaker 2: to this nuclear debate. That was quite a meeting, the
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Speaker 2: world's financial institutions all pledging to support nuclear how benys,
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Speaker 2: he is looking more and more out of step, isn't he.
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Speaker 1: What's worse than that?
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Speaker 12: You were talking about the smartest people in the world
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Speaker 12: and al benez he certainly is not one of them.
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Speaker 12: He really is elbow the trot and he was never
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Speaker 12: expected to be a leader of anything. So what we're
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Speaker 12: seeing is that the speech that Dutton gave today was
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Speaker 12: a really very fine speech, and his response to questions
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Speaker 12: showed that he's on top of his brief, he knows
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Speaker 12: what he's about, and he outland a plan that said
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Speaker 12: and pointed out, among other things that were the development
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Speaker 12: of AI and other industries, that the demand for more power,
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Speaker 12: reliable power is going to increase, not decrease, and that
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Speaker 12: intermittent power can't do it. And so Albanese's pathetic little
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Speaker 12: interludes I think just show how pathetic he really is.
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Speaker 12: I think Peter Dutton also made the point that immediately
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Speaker 12: they agreed to the ORCA still and said, fine, we
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Speaker 12: can have nuclear subs, they'd really laid to rest the
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Speaker 12: fear of nuclear in this country. But they're so desperate
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Speaker 12: to have anything to say when they lost the voice,
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Speaker 12: they lost their mojo, they lost their direction. They really
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Speaker 12: are just scrambling around, and so we really have to
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Speaker 12: say we're listening to the people who've got sensible plans
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Speaker 12: and we know it's good for the country.
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Speaker 2: Caleb that point that Bronman just made, that discrepancy between
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Speaker 2: the government's embrace of nuclear powered submarines but then it's
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Speaker 2: rejection of nuclear for energy more broadly, that is something
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Speaker 2: the coalition is now starting to seize on as part
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Speaker 2: of its arguments.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that'll be convincing.
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Speaker 13: I think it is well. I mean the argument from
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Speaker 13: the government is entirely nonsensical. I mean, how can you
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Speaker 13: possibly say that it is safe to have submarines swimming
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Speaker 13: around in the ocean powered by nuclear energy, but it's
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Speaker 13: not safe to have nuclear energy in places in Australia
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Speaker 13: that are some of the most geologically stable parts of
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Speaker 13: the world. It is a nonsensical argument and we saw
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Speaker 13: that in the reaction from the government when Darton seid,
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Speaker 13: we'll here are the nine odd locations on which we
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Speaker 13: want to put nuclear reactors. I mean, we had these
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Speaker 13: silly memes being put forward by ministers of the government
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Speaker 13: for him AND's sake, saying, you know, we're going to
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Speaker 13: have three eyed fish and your children are going to
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Speaker 13: have two heads and all this sort of stuff, because
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Speaker 13: they know they've lost the moral argument. There is broad
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Speaker 13: support now in Australia for nuclear energy, so they fell
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Speaker 13: for the three card trick and went for the old
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Speaker 13: stuff from the eighties, you know, Chernobyl, and then later
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Speaker 13: of course Fukushima. Supposedly it's all going to fall apart
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Speaker 13: if we have nuclear energy. We know that's not going
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Speaker 13: to happen. And to the point you made bron went
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Speaker 13: about the reliance on extra power to fund things like AI.
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Speaker 13: You look to the US. In the last couple of days, Microsoft,
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Speaker 13: one of the post tech companies in the world, has
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Speaker 13: paid for twenty years for a nuclear reactor to be
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Speaker 13: recommissioned so they can have power exclusively for themselves to
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Speaker 13: fund AI technology. Now, if that does not tell you
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Speaker 13: that the biggest companies in the world are full bore
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Speaker 13: on nuclear but Elbow says, no, no, no, we couldn't
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Speaker 13: possibly have it. I mean giving you bruh.
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Speaker 2: And I think politically it was actually a really smart
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Speaker 2: move that Peter Dutton announced this policy so far out
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Speaker 2: from the election, because it's giving him time to convince
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Speaker 2: the public, it's giving everyone the time to get used
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Speaker 2: to it. So I think that was a smart move
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Speaker 2: given initially it might have seemed like a controversial policy.
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Speaker 1: Now let's have a look at the RBA decision today.
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Speaker 2: It has yet again kept interest rates on hold at
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Speaker 2: four point three five percent.
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Speaker 1: This is now the.
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Speaker 2: Seventh meeting in a row. Inflation continues to simmer. However,
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Speaker 2: here was Governor Michelle Bullock today we might bring you
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Speaker 2: those comments in a moment, do you have We haven't
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Speaker 2: got the comments there.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, inflation is still above our target and it's proving
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Speaker 6: to be sticky progressing, getting underlying inflation down has slowed
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Speaker 6: and it's likely to have remained slow in the September quarter.
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Speaker 2: So it's not looking like we're going to see any
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Speaker 2: rate cuts this year.
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Speaker 1: Browin it might be well into next year, even might not.
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Speaker 2: Even be the first quarter before we see a rate cut,
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Speaker 2: given inflation is staying high.
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Speaker 12: Exactly, And this argument that because they've been reduced internationally,
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Speaker 12: therefore they should be reduced here. People forget to tell
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Speaker 12: you that the reduced interest rate in the States is
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Speaker 12: still higher than the cash rate he is here, and
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Speaker 12: higher again in the UK. So the argument that says,
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Speaker 12: or rather that the snake charmer, the illusionist says, the
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Speaker 12: independent RBA is doing all this. It's not me, it's
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Speaker 12: not us, and we've got to have this wake up
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Speaker 12: that we're both doing our job. It's this absolute attempt
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Speaker 12: to blame the RBA for the incompetence of the government
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Speaker 12: by increasing its spending, which has made the inflation rate
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Speaker 12: worse than it should be. So I find the whole
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Speaker 12: idea that both Albow and Sharma and Charmers think that
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Speaker 12: if they wish hard enough and they cross their fingers
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Speaker 12: and toes and if they're really good little people say
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Speaker 12: their present night, get a cuts, wrote, they'll get a
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Speaker 12: cup the interstright because otherwise they've got a built up
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Speaker 12: on the people they appointed to these positions that are
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Speaker 12: making decisions and they're not doing as they're told.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean the whole political strategy from
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Speaker 2: the GM was he wanted a rate cut and then
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Speaker 2: he wanted to announce the election as.
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Speaker 12: I still think an early election is more likely than not.
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Speaker 2: Well, you're going to be saying that until where like it,
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Speaker 2: well into the seven that we know how the election
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Speaker 2: from it, Let's pivot to the US. A letter by
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's second would be assassin has been discovered now.
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Speaker 2: Ryan Ruth wrote the letter in case his assassination attempt
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Speaker 2: on the golf course failed, and it's an insight into
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Speaker 2: his thoughts, but it's provoked a lot of controversy. He wrote,
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Speaker 2: Dear world, this was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: but I'm so sorry I failed you. I tried my
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Speaker 2: best and gave it all the gumpshn I could muster.
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Speaker 2: It's up to you to finish the job, and I
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Speaker 2: will offer one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to whoever
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Speaker 2: can complete the job. Caleb, there's now why it spread
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Speaker 2: outrage that this note has been made public, because the
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Speaker 2: argument is that it incites, it encourages another assassination attempt.
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Speaker 1: What do you think?
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Speaker 13: That may well be true, but it is also a
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Speaker 13: pretty important piece of evidence that at some point had
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Speaker 13: to come out in court anyway. So whether we found
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Speaker 13: it out now or whether we found it out later,
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Speaker 13: it was probably going to be it at some point.
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Speaker 13: I think it goes to exactly how divided America is
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Speaker 13: at the moment and the real threat that still exists
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Speaker 13: on the head of Donald Trump. Republican Rep. Matt Gates
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Speaker 13: revealed the other day that he has spoken to people,
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Speaker 13: or at least one person in Homeland Security and they
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Speaker 13: have the understanding that there are at least five groups currently,
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Speaker 13: including three that are led by foreign nations, that have
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Speaker 13: a bounty on Donald Trump's head. They want Donald Trump dead. Now,
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Speaker 13: whether or not this letter was released, those groups are
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Speaker 13: still out there. There is still danger to Donald Trump.
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Speaker 13: Someone I'm convinced between now and November is going to
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Speaker 13: try to get him again. The real question is why
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Speaker 13: he has not been given extra protection, and I suspect
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Speaker 13: it's because there are certain people who don't want him
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Speaker 13: to have extra protection because they'd rather him dead than
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Speaker 13: elected in November.
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Speaker 2: Well, he's still I think all those points you made,
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Speaker 2: by the way, are excellent, Caleb, but I think he
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Speaker 2: still does have less protection.
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Speaker 1: Does and he thens the current president.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, the evidence shows the threats on his life
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Speaker 2: are greater.
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Speaker 1: I agree with you.
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Speaker 2: It looks like it's more than likely there'll be another
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Speaker 2: attempt on his life.
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Speaker 12: Well, the worrying thing is who is it that's stopping
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Speaker 12: the protection from being given? And it pleases the vice
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Speaker 12: president I think in a very invidious position. If I
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Speaker 12: were her, I would be demanding he'd be given top protection.
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Speaker 12: You are to it looks like she doesn't care, and
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Speaker 12: I think more should be made of that point. But
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Speaker 12: in that letter, I agree with you. I think that
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Speaker 12: letter was going to come out, and it needed to
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Speaker 12: come out because they've got to keep that bloken jail,
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Speaker 12: not let him out on bail. That's the most important thing.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't possibly do well.
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Speaker 12: It's being argued that he states, and it's being argued
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Speaker 12: that he's not a risk of the society, and he
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Speaker 12: said Donald Trump.
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Speaker 13: But it proves the point that some were trying to
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Speaker 13: make in the leftist media in the US last week
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Speaker 13: that this was a potential assassination, that there was no
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Speaker 13: potential about it. We now know exactly what he wanted
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Speaker 13: to do. We cannot get around that. That letter proves.
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Speaker 12: What about that incredible woman who saw it there would
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Speaker 12: be assassin? Thought he looked creepy, he looked wrong, and
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Speaker 12: she followed him and took photographs of the number plate
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Speaker 12: and so on. She's a heroine.
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Speaker 1: We should hear more about her exactly.
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Speaker 2: But again it goes to your point, why weren't there
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Speaker 2: security protracting the location more thoroughly.
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Speaker 1: Why did it have to come down to civilians.
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Speaker 12: INDI that's exactly the point. And I think more of
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Speaker 12: this should be cheated home to Kamela because she is
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Speaker 12: in the position to do something about it.
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Speaker 2: And even we know even before either of the assassination attempts,
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Speaker 2: there were those in the Congress who were trying to
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Speaker 2: remove his se career protection entire It's complete outrage. No
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Speaker 2: matter what you think of any politician, we're in a
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Speaker 2: democracy and both need to make it to the election.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of elections, news poll shows that the Queensland Premier,
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Speaker 2: Stephen Miles is facing a landslide defeat against the Liberal
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Speaker 2: National Party in next month's election. The opposition is ten
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Speaker 2: points clear of Labor, so this is clearly paving the
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Speaker 2: way for David Chris A Foley to lead an L
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Speaker 2: ANDP majority government. Caleb, he claims he's got an underdog status,
21:51
Speaker 2: but look this defeat for Labor, it's been a long
21:54
Speaker 2: time coming.
21:55
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: Look, you know you'd have to think that he doesn't
21:58
Speaker 13: have underdog status. But also you don't want to fall
22:00
Speaker 13: into the trap of looking to cocky or confidence sure
22:04
Speaker 13: exactly going into an election like this, because you never
22:07
Speaker 13: know things can change. And this is the difficulty, right
22:11
Speaker 13: because if you go out there and say, well, it's
22:13
Speaker 13: a lay down mazare, the voters will actually turn against
22:16
Speaker 13: you because they will get the impression that you don't
22:19
Speaker 13: really care because you've taken advantage of us. You think
22:21
Speaker 13: we're going to hand your government anyway. So he has
22:24
Speaker 13: to say that they have underdog status and if by
22:27
Speaker 13: the numbers. You look at how long Labor has spent
22:30
Speaker 13: in power in Queensland compared to the LNP, particularly given
22:34
Speaker 13: the fact that the last LNP government in the Queensland
22:37
Speaker 13: in Queensland Sorry, only lasted one term. Then he actually
22:40
Speaker 13: does have the right to claim that they have underdog status.
22:43
Speaker 13: It's just that this version of the government under Mars
22:46
Speaker 13: has done so badly that he's coughed it up. Something
22:49
Speaker 13: tells me that if an a stage of Palichet were
22:52
Speaker 13: still the leader, they would fare better than they would
22:55
Speaker 13: under right now, they might rue the day that they
22:58
Speaker 13: got rid.
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Speaker 12: Of giggling pretenders out there, indeed.
23:03
Speaker 1: But I think the.
23:04
Speaker 12: Real thing is there's still a lot of seats they
23:05
Speaker 12: have to win. Yes, and he's entitled to say that's
23:09
Speaker 12: underdog step and when you've got that.
23:10
Speaker 2: Many so any leader would love those polls.
23:14
Speaker 12: Yes, but Caleb makes a very valid point. If you
23:18
Speaker 12: get over confident, you could end up like mister Shorten.
23:21
Speaker 2: All right, there you go, Bromin, Bishop and Calebon. Great
23:24
Speaker 2: to see you both in Caleb. Of course, we'll see
23:25
Speaker 2: you back here at ten o'clock tonight. Now returning to
23:29
Speaker 2: today's top story, where Australians in Lebanon are tonight being
23:33
Speaker 2: told to leave immediately as fighting between Israel and Hesbela escalates.
23:38
Speaker 2: Israel is targeting Hesbela's weapons which have been hidden in
23:42
Speaker 2: Lebanese homes, and overnight almost five.
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Speaker 1: Hundred people were killed.
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Speaker 2: Liberal Shadow Minister for Housing and anddis Michael Souoka joins
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Speaker 2: me now from Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: Michael, thank you very much for your time.
23:55
Speaker 2: Now, I've asked you on tonight because you personally have
23:58
Speaker 2: Lebanese heritage, have family right now in Lebanon in the north.
24:03
Speaker 2: So can you share with us how you're feeling about
24:07
Speaker 2: the fact that really Israel is on the brink of war.
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Speaker 14: Well, it's obviously heartbreaking for the Lebanese people, and Lebanon
24:18
Speaker 14: has suffered more than its share of these sorts of
24:23
Speaker 14: problems for forty years now, and it's heartbreaking to see
24:29
Speaker 14: what's happening because we have a terrorist organization in Hezbala
24:34
Speaker 14: who is almost a state within a state, who is
24:38
Speaker 14: not operating in the best interests of Lebanon. They are
24:41
Speaker 14: they're doing the bidding of the Mullas in Tehran. They
24:44
Speaker 14: are a proxy entity of Iran who have been bombarding
24:49
Speaker 14: Israel and attacking Israel, and now Israel's hit back, and
24:55
Speaker 14: sadly it's the innocent Lebanese people who suffer because of
24:59
Speaker 14: the actions of HESB. And you refer to some of
25:01
Speaker 14: the homes that had had munitions placed within them, I'm
25:07
Speaker 14: reliably informed that there were some of those owners of
25:11
Speaker 14: those homes who had absolutely no idea that that was happening.
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Speaker 14: So could you imagine how disgraceful that is to place
25:18
Speaker 14: innocent people in harm's way like that. But sadly that's
25:22
Speaker 14: what Hezbala has done. For your viewers who don't follow
25:27
Speaker 14: Middle East, and let alone Lebanese politics particularly closely, Hezbaala
25:30
Speaker 14: is as I said, a government within a government almost
25:36
Speaker 14: they operate almost independently of the external government or the
25:39
Speaker 14: Lebanese army, and are fully funded by Iran, take their
25:46
Speaker 14: orders from Iran, and are not there doing anything, not
25:50
Speaker 14: fighting for Lebanese interests, not fighting for the interests of
25:53
Speaker 14: any Palestinians either. They are there fighting for the interests
25:56
Speaker 14: of Iran, and now sadly, innocent Lebanese people are paying
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Speaker 14: the price.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and an outcome that nobody has wanted. A lot
26:05
Speaker 2: of the media reports today painted the picture of Israel
26:08
Speaker 2: being at war with Lebanon. But you know, it's not
26:11
Speaker 2: that simple. Lebanese citizens, in particular Christians, hate the way
26:18
Speaker 2: Hesbela is bringing war to the country and there has
26:22
Speaker 2: been a long history of conflict. I mentioned earlier in
26:25
Speaker 2: the show, the civil war that went for fifteen years.
26:28
Speaker 2: So Michael, can you tell us a bit about that,
26:31
Speaker 2: about how Lebanese Christians, you know, have this long animosity
26:36
Speaker 2: towards Hesbela.
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Speaker 14: Well, Hesbella is almost they run a shadow government in
26:44
Speaker 14: a sense. They have caused gridlock in the Lebanese parliament.
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Speaker 1: They have not allowed for.
26:50
Speaker 14: The succession of a new president, the president who under
26:54
Speaker 14: the constitution and by convention is a Maronite Catholic. They
26:59
Speaker 14: have in a sense cause gridlock in the parliament, and
27:03
Speaker 14: gridlock works for them in the sense that if the
27:06
Speaker 14: democratic institutions of Lebanon are not working, that their power
27:10
Speaker 14: is greater. And Lebanon's obviously suffered a significant economic crisis,
27:15
Speaker 14: but the rivers of gold from Tehran continue to fund Hezbalah, who,
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Speaker 14: as I said, have been making incursions and bombing into Israel.
27:25
Speaker 14: And so it's not a war between Israel and Lebanon.
27:29
Speaker 14: It's Israel seeking to wipe out a terrorist organization on
27:33
Speaker 14: their border. And the truth is it's not just Lebanese Christians,
27:37
Speaker 14: it's also Sunnis and some sites who who put their
27:43
Speaker 14: country first, who are Lebanese first, and anybody who puts
27:50
Speaker 14: Lebanon first and the integrity of its borders and its
27:52
Speaker 14: institutions and its democracy, they tend to be vehemently opposed
27:57
Speaker 14: to Hesbalah, who, as I said, are a shadow government
28:00
Speaker 14: who run their own shadow army essentially, and as we're
28:06
Speaker 14: seeing now, don't care about the interests of Lebanon. They
28:10
Speaker 14: care about the interests of Iran, and they take orders
28:13
Speaker 14: from Iran, and Iran has told them to bomb Israel.
28:17
Speaker 14: And now Israel is understandably hitting back because you can't
28:20
Speaker 14: have a terrorist organization sending in volleys of bombs on
28:25
Speaker 14: a daily basis without it being answered in some way.
28:29
Speaker 2: No, of course, I'm going to speak with the former
28:32
Speaker 2: Labor Minister Mike Kelly in a moment about what the
28:36
Speaker 2: international community could have done to bring more pressure on
28:39
Speaker 2: Hasbala instead of criticizing Israel all the time.
28:42
Speaker 1: But Michael, you are the shadow.
28:43
Speaker 2: Minister for Housing, so I do want to ask you
28:45
Speaker 2: about this critical issue. We're seeing the Albanezi government blaming
28:49
Speaker 2: the Coalition and the Greens for the housing crisis, accusing
28:53
Speaker 2: you of blocking legislation. What is your main objection to
28:57
Speaker 2: the laws that Labour's been putting forward.
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Speaker 14: Well, what Labour's announced here, which they announced before the
29:06
Speaker 14: election and took them over two years to introduce into
29:09
Speaker 14: the parliament, so it can't be that urgent if it
29:12
Speaker 14: took them two years to do so. Is a minuscule scheme.
29:15
Speaker 14: It's a shared equity scheme. There's a couple of reasons
29:19
Speaker 14: why we don't support it. It's five and a half
29:21
Speaker 14: billion dollars of taxpayers money for a scheme that has
29:24
Speaker 14: already existed in most of our states or territories. Basically,
29:27
Speaker 14: shared equity is when you co own the home with
29:30
Speaker 14: the government. In a sense you have Anthony Albanezi at
29:33
Speaker 14: the kitchen table. These schemes have not been a success
29:38
Speaker 14: in New South Wales, for example, under their scheme when
29:42
Speaker 14: this was first introduced, more than ninety percent of the
29:46
Speaker 14: places in the New South Wales scheme was still available.
29:49
Speaker 14: So what the Albanzi government has done here is they've
29:52
Speaker 14: tried to create a bill that makes it look like
29:55
Speaker 14: they're trying to do something when they're really not trying
29:58
Speaker 14: to do anything, because shared equity schemes have already been
30:01
Speaker 14: rejected by Austrains and the last thing we need is
30:04
Speaker 14: for them to be spending another five and a half
30:06
Speaker 14: billion dollars on a minisculled, tiny scheme that would hardly
30:09
Speaker 14: impact anybody that's quite frankly been rejected by Australians anyway.
30:15
Speaker 14: The truth is under this government, we have fewer homes
30:17
Speaker 14: being built, fewer homes being approved, We've got record levels
30:21
Speaker 14: of migration which are pushing up rents. This is Labour's
30:24
Speaker 14: housing crisis. And the sad news for your viewers is
30:28
Speaker 14: that Labour's housing crisis is just getting worse. It's not
30:31
Speaker 14: getting better, because they're still bringing in more than five
30:34
Speaker 14: hundred thousand migrants up in the last twelve months, when
30:39
Speaker 14: we're building fewer homes than we're being built when I
30:41
Speaker 14: was the Housing Minister in the former coalition government and
30:44
Speaker 14: when we had record levels of first home buyers. So
30:47
Speaker 14: everything's got worse on Anthony Albaneze's watch, and there's no
30:50
Speaker 14: answers and it.
30:51
Speaker 2: Looks like the migration figures aren't going to come down
30:54
Speaker 2: as the government said they would as well. Michael Siker
30:57
Speaker 2: really appreciate your time tonight and I hope you're family
31:00
Speaker 2: stay safe.
31:02
Speaker 1: Now still to come.
31:03
Speaker 2: Former Labor Minister Mike Kelly joins Me Live to talk
31:06
Speaker 2: about why he thinks Penny Wong and the government of
31:10
Speaker 2: failing on the Middle East and the plan to offer
31:13
Speaker 2: cashbacks for workers who return to the office. Stay tuned,
31:17
Speaker 2: There's a lot more coming up. Welcome back. Over the
31:23
Speaker 2: past year, we've seen thousands of unprovoked terror attacks against Israel,
31:29
Speaker 2: yet there's been pressure from Western leaders towards Israel for
31:33
Speaker 2: daring to fight back and keep its citizens safe instead
31:36
Speaker 2: of coming down hard on Hamas, Hesbela and Iran. The
31:40
Speaker 2: international community keeps criticizing Israel. Amnesty International and the United
31:45
Speaker 2: Nations aren't jumping up and down about the clear cut
31:48
Speaker 2: war crimes of Hamas and Hesbela like the slaughter of
31:51
Speaker 2: babies in cots, but they're issuing press releases accusing Israel
31:56
Speaker 2: of war crimes by daring to kill terrorists targeted attacks.
32:02
Speaker 2: Former Labor Minister Mike Kelly has written an article where
32:06
Speaker 2: he says that Israel has been acting in self defense
32:09
Speaker 2: in this conflict with Hesbela restraining its response to defeating
32:13
Speaker 2: the actual rocket, drone and ballistic missile launchers. And he adds,
32:17
Speaker 2: and this is such a great line, he says, instead
32:20
Speaker 2: of trying to wage law fair against Israel, the international
32:25
Speaker 2: community should focus on getting Hesbela and Iran to end
32:28
Speaker 2: their warmongering and comply with Resolution seventeen oh one. And
32:33
Speaker 2: I'm pleased to say I've got the former Labor minister
32:35
Speaker 2: with me now. Mike, thank you very much for your
32:38
Speaker 2: time on the program. Once again, Can we start with
32:42
Speaker 2: why the international community is, as you put it, trying
32:46
Speaker 2: to wage law fair against Israel rather than putting pressure
32:50
Speaker 2: on the terror groups and the parties that fund them.
32:56
Speaker 4: Yeah.
32:56
Speaker 15: Unfortunately this is working on a couple of levels. S.
32:59
Speaker 15: You have that malign rectangle of autocracies Russia, China, Iran
33:04
Speaker 15: and North Korea who all have the self interest of
33:07
Speaker 15: mounting a concerted information warfare campaign that serves their interests
33:12
Speaker 15: in discrediting the West and also uplifting their interests in
33:17
Speaker 15: the region and elsewhere. At the same time, of course,
33:21
Speaker 15: they're not doing any services to the populations of that region.
33:25
Speaker 15: And I really hope for the best for Michael Sukhar's family,
33:28
Speaker 15: and it's a terrible tragedy for the region to see
33:31
Speaker 15: what Iran is doing in particular, and they are mounting
33:35
Speaker 15: effectively an imperialist, warmongering endeavor that's been in place now
33:41
Speaker 15: for a good few decades, but in particular this network
33:45
Speaker 15: that they've surrounded Israel with of the Hesbalah hamas Uti
33:50
Speaker 15: proxies and effectively turned Lebanon and Syria into almost provinces
33:56
Speaker 15: of Iran, and Iraq's on the way to becoming a protectorate.
34:00
Speaker 15: So all of those venues have been the source of
34:02
Speaker 15: multiple missile attacks against Israel. And we have to remember,
34:06
Speaker 15: of course, that began the day after October seventh, and
34:10
Speaker 15: the heinous assault by Hamas before Israel had even engaged
34:15
Speaker 15: in any countermeasures. And so this was the coordinated effort
34:19
Speaker 15: and it wasn't part of any attempts to defend themselves.
34:22
Speaker 15: It was a war of aggression against Israel that the
34:25
Speaker 15: international community has failed to focus on and address.
34:31
Speaker 1: Now.
34:32
Speaker 2: The international community, or more specifically the United Nations Security
34:35
Speaker 2: Council and Resolution seventeen oh one. Look, it did come
34:39
Speaker 2: up with a plan after the two thousand and six
34:42
Speaker 2: Lebanon war, and this involved having that blue line the
34:48
Speaker 2: Latany River. Hasbela would not go south of that, and
34:52
Speaker 2: you know it required as well disarmament of Hasbela.
34:56
Speaker 1: This hasn't happened.
34:58
Speaker 2: Instead, Hesbla has only plitarized in the south and it's
35:02
Speaker 2: now and for the past year it's been using it
35:05
Speaker 2: as a base to attack Israel. Can you talk us
35:08
Speaker 2: through why Israel does actually have a duty and obligation
35:14
Speaker 2: and a right under the UN Charter to defend its citizens.
35:20
Speaker 15: Absolutely, So it's very clear. The UN Charter spells out
35:23
Speaker 15: in Article fifty one that every member state has the
35:25
Speaker 15: right to defend itself against an attack. So an attack
35:28
Speaker 15: against whatever source, it doesn't have to be another member state,
35:31
Speaker 15: it can be these non state actors. So it's exercising
35:35
Speaker 15: its right of self defense in defending itself Israel's actions
35:40
Speaker 15: against Hezballah very clearly. But also it's a failure of
35:43
Speaker 15: the international system that compounds the problem in that in
35:47
Speaker 15: two thousand and six, when Israel was responding to the
35:51
Speaker 15: cross border attacks from Hesbala then and a war ensued,
35:55
Speaker 15: agreed to withdraw its troops from southern Lebanon in exchange
35:59
Speaker 15: for eventeen zero one in that resolution spelling out that yes,
36:03
Speaker 15: HEZBLA had to withdraw and there would be beefing up
36:06
Speaker 15: of UNIFIL two to the tune of eleven five hundred
36:10
Speaker 15: peacekeepers and troops in that organization, and there was instead
36:16
Speaker 15: of the demilitarization of the south of the border area
36:20
Speaker 15: south of Latani sorry and the demilitarization of Hezbola, it
36:25
Speaker 15: was in a massive escalation of their capability. So they've
36:28
Speaker 15: gone to one hundred and fifty to two hundred thousand
36:31
Speaker 15: rockets and missiles in their arsenal. They have developed an
36:35
Speaker 15: incredibly sophisticated and enormous underground infrastructure in Southernly but on
36:41
Speaker 15: that dwarfs the Hamas endeavors in Gaza tunnels that can
36:45
Speaker 15: take rocket launches for these fat one to ten missiles.
36:50
Speaker 15: They can travel along those tunnels and exit through designated
36:54
Speaker 15: points where they launched their missiles and scoot back into
36:56
Speaker 15: the tunnels. Vast caverns that were helped in the construction
37:01
Speaker 15: by North Korea who provided all their tunneling technology to
37:04
Speaker 15: hes BLAR, and then HESBLA were able to set up
37:07
Speaker 15: so called civil construction company fronts to finish that job
37:11
Speaker 15: off companies like appropriately G Hard Construction and a Musta
37:15
Speaker 15: for Construction, who sometimes engages, of course with the UN
37:18
Speaker 15: Development Program. But this is a massive capability right under
37:23
Speaker 15: the nose of these UN peacekeepers, And I asked where
37:27
Speaker 15: was their reports and amplification of alarms and information about this?
37:32
Speaker 15: Where was the UN? Where was the UN Secretary General
37:34
Speaker 15: for the last eighteen years in failing to orchestrate the
37:39
Speaker 15: international effort to force the compliance of Hesbla and Lebanon,
37:43
Speaker 15: because the Lebanese Army was also meant to then fill
37:46
Speaker 15: that void in southern Lebanon and finally give them the
37:50
Speaker 15: jurisdiction as a sovereign nation that they ought to have.
37:53
Speaker 15: So where was the UN and all that? Where was
37:55
Speaker 15: the international community in applying pressure on Iran and it's
38:00
Speaker 15: proxies to deliver that outcome to prevent the very situation
38:04
Speaker 15: that we see now, And where are their voices now
38:08
Speaker 15: putting pressure on Iran and Hezbala to diffuse this situation
38:11
Speaker 15: and in the suffering of the Lebanese.
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Speaker 2: Mike Kelly, you speak, you make so much sense. You
38:18
Speaker 2: are such a rational voice desperately missing from the current
38:23
Speaker 2: Albanesi government. I mean you must look on at your
38:27
Speaker 2: old party, at your old team in Dismay.
38:32
Speaker 15: I just look on it, the whole scene at the
38:34
Speaker 15: moment where you know, we're not seeing rational debate, We're
38:36
Speaker 15: not seeing debate that reflects the actual provisions of the
38:40
Speaker 15: laws of armed conflict and international law. And failure encouraged
38:44
Speaker 15: to stand up to the propaganda and the voices of activism.
38:48
Speaker 15: That's not peacekeep peace activism, it's warmongering. These people don't
38:53
Speaker 15: want a ceasefire. They want the elimination of the state
38:56
Speaker 15: of Israel and the war escalated, and the elimination of
39:00
Speaker 15: the ten million people living there. But on that point,
39:03
Speaker 15: the genocidal agenda.
39:05
Speaker 2: But on that point, you know, the Foreign Minister and
39:07
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, they keep saying there needs to be
39:09
Speaker 2: an immediate cease fire. But at the same time they
39:13
Speaker 2: say her mask can't have a future role in the
39:16
Speaker 2: governing of Gaza. So how do they think her mass
39:18
Speaker 2: is going to be removed if Israel doesn't, through armed
39:23
Speaker 2: conflict remove her maas.
39:25
Speaker 1: I mean, don't you think there's this well, what do
39:28
Speaker 1: you think about that?
39:31
Speaker 15: Well, I guess the phrase cognitive dissonance comes into mind.
39:34
Speaker 4: There.
39:34
Speaker 15: Effectively, we know that for the last seventeen years her
39:38
Speaker 15: mass has repressed its own people, has waged constant war
39:41
Speaker 15: against Israel, and Israel has been so restrained in the
39:45
Speaker 15: face of that, far beyond what any other country in
39:47
Speaker 15: the world would have been with the capability to respond
39:50
Speaker 15: that they have. And so where was the pressure on
39:54
Speaker 15: Hamas to stand down? It's relentless wars of firing minute
40:00
Speaker 15: rockets which are a walk rome and then conducting the
40:03
Speaker 15: most savage and hinous assault we have seen on their populations.
40:08
Speaker 15: So you know, frankly, the international community needs to get
40:11
Speaker 15: attack together if it wants long term peace for the region,
40:14
Speaker 15: apply the pressure where it needs to be. But just
40:17
Speaker 15: behaving as if Israel's the only party in this conflict
40:20
Speaker 15: which has agency, which just simply isn't true.
40:24
Speaker 2: Indeed, look, you are desperately missing from the Albanezy government.
40:28
Speaker 2: So many sane voices like yours, like Kimberly Kitchen, like
40:31
Speaker 2: Michael Danby.
40:34
Speaker 1: Are no longer in the government and then need it.
40:36
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your time, really appreciate it.
40:39
Speaker 2: Now after the break, the plan to offer cash backs
40:42
Speaker 2: to workers to get them back into the office, plus
40:45
Speaker 2: a look ahead at tomorrow's inflation data. Kelly Sloan and
40:48
Speaker 2: Nick Cator would join me after this quick break.
40:54
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
40:55
Speaker 2: Well, let's get straight into it now with tonight's panel
40:58
Speaker 2: senior fellow at the Menzies Recent Search Santa Nick Cata
41:01
Speaker 2: and New South Wales Shadow Health Minister Kelly Sloane. Welcome
41:04
Speaker 2: to you both. Now the work from home debate is
41:07
Speaker 2: back in the spotlight. There's a new plan from the
41:10
Speaker 2: Liberal team head of Melbourne's council elections, and the Liberal
41:14
Speaker 2: campaign is pledging to offer a five percent cash back
41:17
Speaker 2: on council rates for businesses whose workers are in the
41:21
Speaker 2: office five days a week. Kelly, I think this is
41:24
Speaker 2: so interesting because the Victorian Premier Jacinta Allen came out
41:28
Speaker 2: and ridiculed the New Southwest Premier Chris Means for asking
41:31
Speaker 2: people to get back into the office. But clearly it's
41:34
Speaker 2: an issue when councils are looking at schemes like this, Well.
41:38
Speaker 16: It is because they're looking at their economies in the
41:40
Speaker 16: city and our cities have become desolate. Business is it
41:47
Speaker 16: needs a big boost and I think that means back
41:49
Speaker 16: to work for a lot of people. I know that
41:51
Speaker 16: our business chambers are calling for more people to get
41:54
Speaker 16: back in the city. When our state government in New
41:56
Speaker 16: South Wales announced back to work orders a month ago,
42:00
Speaker 16: there was initial pushback.
42:01
Speaker 1: People were rightly.
42:03
Speaker 16: Concerned, and especially I think those that have got used
42:06
Speaker 16: to the flexibility parents who had childcare in place.
42:09
Speaker 1: Were a bit alarmed.
42:10
Speaker 16: But they will come back and it's important that we
42:13
Speaker 16: get the city thriving again, back to pre COVID levels.
42:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ni Kita, what do you think about this idea?
42:20
Speaker 2: I mean, clearly the liberal team in Melbourne think it
42:24
Speaker 2: would be worth the discount financially or in an economic
42:28
Speaker 2: sense for Melbourne.
42:31
Speaker 1: Yeah.
42:31
Speaker 17: I understand the sentiment Shari, and Melbourne has suffered from
42:35
Speaker 17: particularly badly. The Melbourne CBD, particularly on a Monday and Friday,
42:39
Speaker 17: is virtually empty. But look, I just think we've got
42:42
Speaker 17: to stop spending money on these kind of things. We
42:45
Speaker 17: wasted billions and billions of dollars on these extensive lockdowns
42:50
Speaker 17: which were not necessary. A country like Sweden spent a
42:53
Speaker 17: faction of what we spent and came out with better
42:57
Speaker 17: results when it came to COVID deaths infections. It was
43:01
Speaker 17: a total waste of money. And please, we just stop
43:03
Speaker 17: spending any more money fixing up this fuss and this mess.
43:08
Speaker 17: And I think it's up to businesses. Businesses should demand
43:11
Speaker 17: that their workers come back because they're going to work
43:13
Speaker 17: much more efficiently in the office. And I don't think
43:16
Speaker 17: it's a job for councils to bry workers back to work.
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Speaker 2: Quite frankly, although there is a bit of a split
43:22
Speaker 2: in the approach from businesses, and you know, some think
43:25
Speaker 2: to attract the best staff they need to have flexible
43:28
Speaker 2: working arrangements. We're seeing that this play out in the
43:31
Speaker 2: tech center, in the tech sector in particular. Now in
43:34
Speaker 2: New South Wales there is a nurse's strike at the
43:37
Speaker 2: moment and hospitals across the state are hanging on by
43:40
Speaker 2: a thread. Thousands of nurses walked off the job for
43:43
Speaker 2: twenty four hours today. Sydney streets had nurses protesting for
43:47
Speaker 2: a fifteen percent wage rise.
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Speaker 1: But it's Kelly, It's meant that nearly five hundred.
43:52
Speaker 2: Elective surgeries were counceled the closure of eighty one beds.
43:56
Speaker 2: This puts a lot of pressure on the health system
43:59
Speaker 2: and people who are sick already. The health system is stretched.
44:02
Speaker 2: What does the government need to do here?
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Speaker 16: Well, it is industrial chaos, another chapter in the industrial
44:09
Speaker 16: chaos that we're seeing in New South Wales. We've seen
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Speaker 16: today the biggest rally by nurses since the nineteen seventies,
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Speaker 16: nine thousand of them taking off, and you're quite right,
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Speaker 16: it is putting our system under immense pressure, a system
44:22
Speaker 16: that has had back to back budget cuts by labor
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Speaker 16: to health. It has record attendances to emergency departments.
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Speaker 1: Our nurses are under immense.
44:33
Speaker 16: Pressure and that've been sold false hope by Labor. During
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Speaker 16: the election campaign, Chris Mins was out in front of
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Speaker 16: their hospitals, the nurses hospitals, talking up the dramas in
44:44
Speaker 16: the hospital, saying things needed to change. And when he's
44:48
Speaker 16: been absent from the bargaining table, they haven't had any
44:52
Speaker 16: advancements and today they've been rightly frustrated. I walked amongst
44:56
Speaker 16: some of the nurses today. They feel incredibly disappointed Labor.
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Speaker 1: Josey Bailey.
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Speaker 16: I just went into the rally, I walked out the
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Speaker 16: front of We could hear it in the chamber in Parliament.
45:06
Speaker 16: It was that loud and so I walked out. I
45:08
Speaker 16: walked amongst them, and you know, the workers in New
45:11
Speaker 16: South Wales feel let down by their natural friends, which
45:15
Speaker 16: is labor, labor who we are now seeing, you know,
45:17
Speaker 16: industrial election, from the rail workers, from the transport workers,
45:22
Speaker 16: from the nurses, from the paramedics, from the CFMU, from
45:25
Speaker 16: the Electrical Trades Union, which is closing down building sites
45:29
Speaker 16: right across our city. This is labour's mess. They need
45:32
Speaker 16: to fix it. They need to get to the table.
45:34
Speaker 2: All right, Nick, I actually want to ask you about
45:37
Speaker 2: nuclear energy. We saw Peter Dutton tell the Telegraph that
45:42
Speaker 2: if Bob Hawk was still alive, he would be supporting
45:46
Speaker 2: nuclear energy as part of Australia's mix. But you know,
45:49
Speaker 2: we're starting to see this objection from Albow look quite
45:52
Speaker 2: illogical when the international community is coming to the table.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Bob.
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Speaker 17: Hawk would have backed this because he was a nation builder,
46:04
Speaker 17: unlike Albanizi, who's just about building his own stocks. And
46:08
Speaker 17: I think people like John Bradfield, you know, the guy
46:10
Speaker 17: who was responsible really for ensuring that the Harbor Bridge
46:13
Speaker 17: got built against a lot of objections at the time
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Speaker 17: from people who said it's not needed, it's too expensive. Nobody,
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Speaker 17: you know, ninety three years on would doubt that that
46:22
Speaker 17: was a very good investment. And John Monash, you know,
46:25
Speaker 17: people like that great commanders and a great engineer. Incidentally,
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Speaker 17: this is a nation building exercise. If we build it,
46:32
Speaker 17: If we started planning for a nuclear power station right now,
46:36
Speaker 17: that nuclear power station would still be running when my
46:40
Speaker 17: granddaughter's great grandchildren were born, in fact, when her great
46:44
Speaker 17: great gan children were born or yours. This is not
46:48
Speaker 17: about the next fifteen years. This is about the next
46:52
Speaker 17: ninety or one hundred years. And if we were serious
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Speaker 17: about building a nation and building a future for generations,
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Speaker 17: that's what we're doing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, too often show thinking with governments.
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Speaker 2: All right, Nick Cata, Kelly Sloane, thank you both very
47:03
Speaker 2: much for your time. Now, after the break, we'll look
47:06
Speaker 2: ahead to tomorrow's inflation data. Cam Reddin will join me next. Well,
47:15
Speaker 2: let's bring in Sky News political reporter Cam Reddin in Cambra.
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Speaker 1: Now, great to see you. Cam.
47:20
Speaker 2: Look at the RBA today left rates on hold. Is
47:23
Speaker 2: hope beginning to fade that there'll be a rate cut
47:26
Speaker 2: even in the first quarter of next year?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Courny.
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Speaker 5: Michelle Bull at the Governor's Show, she's saying pretty much
47:33
Speaker 5: forget about this year.
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Speaker 1: We'll come back and have a look in the new year.
47:36
Speaker 5: And remember too, because of this new model of the
47:39
Speaker 5: Reserve Bank, they have fewer opportunities to move rates. And
47:42
Speaker 5: there was some thinking at the time when they cut
47:44
Speaker 5: the number of meetings from eleven down to eight that
47:47
Speaker 5: that might be an encouragement for the Reserve Bank if
47:49
Speaker 5: they were going to move at all, to bring any movements,
47:51
Speaker 5: whether that.
47:52
Speaker 1: Would be up all down Ford.
47:53
Speaker 5: So they've got more time to think, more time between meetings,
47:56
Speaker 5: meaning that if they were going to move, they should
47:58
Speaker 5: move earlier rather than later. But that hasn't really borne
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Speaker 5: itself out, at least not yet in Michelle Bulook's time
48:03
Speaker 5: as the governor. But she's waiting to see some kind
48:06
Speaker 5: of inflation number that shows it's consistently back in the band.
48:10
Speaker 5: We don't have that yet, so as a result, it's
48:12
Speaker 5: pretty bad years for mortgage holders. You might wait what
48:15
Speaker 5: for maybe five months or more until that cut finally arrives.
48:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, and speaking of inflation, obviously a big day tomorrow
48:21
Speaker 2: for the government. Are the monthly data on CPI out?
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Speaker 2: What are you expecting?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's at three and a half at the moment.
48:29
Speaker 5: Remember this is the monthly figure, not the big quarterly one,
48:32
Speaker 5: so it's a bit more volatile. But the expectation is
48:34
Speaker 5: it's actually going to look quite good. It could even
48:36
Speaker 5: have a two in front of it, which means it
48:38
Speaker 5: would at least temporarily be back in the target band
48:41
Speaker 5: that the Reserve Bank wants it in. But why it
48:43
Speaker 5: would be there, Shari is really important. Because petrol prices
48:46
Speaker 5: have come off a bit, that's good news, But the
48:49
Speaker 5: other main factor for that would be the government, both
48:52
Speaker 5: at the federal level and state levels, pumping in a
48:54
Speaker 5: lot of money towards energy bill rebates, which is a
48:56
Speaker 5: bit like putting your hand on a mattress. It pushes
48:58
Speaker 5: the price down temper rarely, but it's a little bit artificial.
49:02
Speaker 5: Once you take that help away, that's when it can
49:04
Speaker 5: spring back up. If the underlying trend of higher prices
49:08
Speaker 5: hasn't been fixed, So it could be a much better
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Speaker 5: number tomorrow than it has been. But Michelle Bullock even
49:13
Speaker 5: said today, don't get your hopes up that we're going
49:15
Speaker 5: to see that everything's great, we're going to cut rates.
49:17
Speaker 5: She wants to see the big dump of data at
49:19
Speaker 5: the end of October. That's what will really guide the
49:22
Speaker 5: Reserve banks thinking when it comes to its next move.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, still, if inflation is back in the target range tomorrow,
49:28
Speaker 2: No doubt that'll be something we'll see the government celebrating.
49:31
Speaker 2: Just thirty seconds, I want to get your take on
49:34
Speaker 2: news poll this week and what the figures show about
49:37
Speaker 2: whether voters are starting to blame the PM for the
49:40
Speaker 2: cost of living crisis.
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Speaker 5: Well, they're certainly not giving him any credit for trying
49:45
Speaker 5: to fix it.
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Speaker 12: Schari.
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Speaker 5: That's the thing. You've seen the government give people income
49:49
Speaker 5: tax cuts, they're paying for their energy bills and the
49:52
Speaker 5: vote keeps on going down. And we saw the government
49:54
Speaker 5: try all week last week to try and get its
49:56
Speaker 5: housing bill through, blaming the Greens, blaming the Coalition, saying
50:00
Speaker 5: they're trying and they're stopping us. The vote still continues
50:03
Speaker 5: to drop. That is ringing the alarm bells. They need
50:05
Speaker 5: to turn something around.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, cam Raidon, thank you so much for joining us
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Speaker 2: from Canberra.
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Speaker 1: And that's it from me. See you tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: And here's Paul Murray