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RED SOCKED: Angels suffer second straight series sweep and now have MLB's worst record at 36-55 · Halo Territory: A Los Angeles Angels Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Well, Hey Angel fans, and welcome back to Halo territory.
• 0:12
  Speaker 2: I and Mike D.
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: Giovanna, former La Times Baseball writer and host of the show,
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: joined by my regular co host Mark Trumbull, the former
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: Angel slugger. Well, there's another rough series for the Angels.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: They were swept by the Boston Red Sox. They have
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: now lost six games in a row as we tape
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: here on Monday morning, twelve of the last nineteen since
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: June fourteenth, and they have fallen to a major league
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: worst thirty six and fifty five and eleven games back
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: of the Seattle Mariners in the American League West. They've
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: scored thirteen runs in their last nine games. Mark, We've
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: seen this before and all too often in Anaheim. Is
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: this the start of the Halo's annual summer swoon?
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: No way, Oh, I can't can't be Uh, I don't know.
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: Do you know?
• 1:03
  Speaker 3: I know?
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: This isn't they were on this team is? It's hard
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: to predict. I'm waiting for one of these goofy Angel
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: games where they score a ton of runs out of
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: nowhere against a good starting pitcher. But that really hasn't
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: happened as much recently. They were lighting up the world
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: a week ago and now it's cold as ice. They
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: got a couple of guys, uh, you know, Grissom and
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: Parazza last thirty games. Don't don't don't look if you're
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: you know, into the number is two o six for
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: Grissom and two oh four for Parazza. Not getting on base,
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: not slugging. So uh, two guys that were pretty integral
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: to the success earlier have gone cold, and uh, there's
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: not enough other guys to pick up the slacks. So
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: the offense is really scuffled. And the starting pitching against
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: the Red Sox was was not great.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you mentioned those two guys, and it's interesting
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: they got shut down by the Red Sox. Lefty Friday
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: Night didn't look like his stuff was all that great.
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: Rangers for his starts, and he does come out because
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: of an injury on Sunday night in the third inning,
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: but it really puts a ding in your lineup. They've
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: been pretty adamant about sticking to this platoon thing with
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: you know, Walton and Meckler usually starting against righty's and
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: Parazza and Grissom against lefties. But at Parazza and Grissom
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: aren't hitting. Ooh, that really takes the sting and the
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: bite out of your offense against right hand left handed pitching. Now,
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: one guy who certainly can help against left handers is
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: a young man named Mike Trout, who is scheduled to
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: return from a I believes a right hand string string
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: uh for Tuesday series opener in Texas. Grayson Rodrie, as
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: the pitcher the Angels acquired from the Baltimore Orioles over
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: the winter's supposed to be a real integral part of
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: this rotation, has not happened yet. He supposed to return
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: from a back injury to start Friday series opener at Minnesota.
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: Mark of these two guys enough to maybe it's not
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: turned things around, maybe at least stop the bleeding.
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  Speaker 2: Who says they're bleeding, it's not. I mean, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: really not out of characters for the seasons as a whole.
• 3:21
  Speaker 2: It's just you know, cold streak. But I think that
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: there are two very quality players. One's a Hall of
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: Famer in waiting and one could be an excellent starting
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: pitcher that has had, you know that the health issues
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: and some inconsistencies, but the stuff has looked good. I
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: think that it's uh, you know, I'd be happy to
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  Speaker 2: have those two back. But the question for you is
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: who's gonna provide protection for Trout in that lineup?
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: Hmm, well, I think it's strange. I was. I was
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: at the last two games, and it seems like the
• 3:59
  Speaker 1: guy who netto has gotten a little better offensively. I'm
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: not saying he's the guy who's gonna protect him, but
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: the guy who has probably delivered the most quality at
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: bats per capita at bat is Donovan Walton. It's like,
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: you know, he came off the bench hit at an
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: RBI double last night. I think he had a hit
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: off the nice hit the you know, Saturday night. It
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: just seems like he's putting really good quality at bats together.
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I think if you're facing a lefty, you got your
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  Speaker 1: probably your best option is Hojre Solaire, maybe Joe Adell
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  Speaker 1: in the three spot and Solaire fourth Against alrighty, I
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: think you're gonna stick with Nolan shan Well and that
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  Speaker 1: three spot like they were most of the season. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what other options they have.
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  Speaker 2: Really.
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  Speaker 1: When Perazza was hitting, when Grissom was hitting, I think
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  Speaker 1: those two guys were decent options in the three or
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of order spots. I don't know. I'm stumped.
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: I don't envy Kurt does the Zuki's job, you know,
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  Speaker 1: filling out that lineup on a nightly basis, when your
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: options are so.
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  Speaker 2: Limited, it is, it is tough. I don't know. Joey
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: Dell is an interesting one. I mean, it seems like
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: it gets three hits fairly often, yet the numbers really
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: don't move. The ops south of seven hundred still expanding
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: the zone a bit too much, well amongst others, but
• 5:31
  Speaker 2: it's odd. It just seems like he's getting I mean,
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: there's enough production to but I guess there Gooby had
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: mentioned on the telecast a lot of singles, so the
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: extra base hits haven't been there. The Slugan is going
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: to be down on base percentage has never been a
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  Speaker 2: strength of his, so that's terribly surprising. But I guess
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: this is a guy that really relies heavily on the
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  Speaker 2: power side the production. He is hitting the ball hard,
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  Speaker 2: he's finding hit good pieces of hitting, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: to get that ops into that range that you'd like
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  Speaker 2: to see it, he's got a you know, it's the
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: opposite of a lot of the early approach. I don't
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  Speaker 2: really know, because he's a better overall hitter. I think
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  Speaker 2: he just isn't driving the ball like he did last year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I totally agree. It's Joe's a strange one for me.
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  Speaker 2: This year.
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: He's hit a couple of homers and you think, oh,
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: here comes that power surge we saw last year, and
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: it just hasn't materialized. But then you know, you'll see
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: a nice line drive hit to right field, maybe a
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: double to the gap in right center, you know, one
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: hundred and ten off the bat to left field, maybe
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: a four hundred and thirty foot home run. But I
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: just think the consistency hasn't been there. The reasons for that,
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: I am not an expert. I just know he's much
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: more capable of he's more capable of capable of delivering
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: a much much more offensively then he has been this
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: season so far. And you know, we'll get into this
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: little later, but you have to wonder how that would
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: packed his value at the trade bedline. That's gonna be
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: a tough read for other teams to make as we
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: approach that. Let's dig into a little more of this
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: Red Sox series. The Angels really had no answer for
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: Wilson Contreras, the Red Sox first baseman who had a
• 7:17
  Speaker 1: three run homer off Sam Altegary in the first inning
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  Speaker 1: of Saturday Nights eight one win and another three run shot,
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  Speaker 1: this one traveled four hundred and forty six feet to
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: left center off Ryan Johnson in the third inning of
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  Speaker 1: Sunday Night seven to five win. Mark with the Angels
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  Speaker 1: playing with fire, pitching so aggressively to this guy.
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: Nine oh ps, not an all star. That's probably gonna change.
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: Glad Blady Girge has already dropped out of the game.
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: I'd be stunned if I know it's Kurtz and Rice
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  Speaker 2: right now. But man Contreras looked the part. There was
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: a base open at one point. I don't know. I
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: think it was last night's game. Yeah, maybe the Angels
• 8:07
  Speaker 2: were trailing by three runs or so. And I said, well,
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: I assume you're just gonna walk it. I mean, you've
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: already learned the hard way twice and those were not cheapies.
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, but that's what it looks like to be.
• 8:21
  Speaker 2: When people say hitterish, it's a definition of it. If
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: you watch the way he took his bats this weekend.
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: He was all over everything. The timing was there, he
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: didn't look fooled at all, and if you made a mistake,
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: he absolutely punished it. This Red Sox team, I previewed
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: them briefly before the series, just kind of a throwaway
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: that they hadn't been a good team offensively this season.
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: They you know, last place in their division, and overall
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: I hadn't. I hadn't seen them with my own eyes,
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: though covering the Angels, you hadn't seen the Red Sox yet.
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: That team, How they're in last place is a mystery,
• 8:57
  Speaker 2: because they played some nice baseball, They played nice defense.
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: They're starting pitching obviously was quite good. They were able
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: to pick up or Suarez had a short start due
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: to the injury. Their bullpland looked just okay, not great.
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: But the Angels were overmatched by a team that I
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: had pretty low expectations. But I think the Red Sox
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: have a lot more potential if they can keep anything
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: like this up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like most teams, they've had their share of injuries.
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: Patrick Sandovali, former Angel pitchers, on his way back making
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: some rehab starts. Rome and Anthony still on the Andrew
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  Speaker 1: list for them, so you know, they may be a
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: team point that's heading in the right direction for some reason.
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: You know, the Angels seemed to be a magic lookxir
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: for some teams. That looks like the Mariners got right
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: after they swept the Angels last week. You know, Boston
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: has to go on to face the White Sox and
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: then there I think they finished their trip against the
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: Mets so and the White Sox are much improved. But
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: now the Red Sox seems to have turned things around
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: in Anaheim, so at least the Angels have that going
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: for him. Hey, we're going to take a quick break
• 9:59
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• 10:01
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• 11:06
  Speaker 1: And welcome back to Halo territory with Mark Trumbull and
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: Mike D. Givanna. Now, the three runs he sock scored
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: on that Concurrasus home run Sunday night, we're all unearned
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: after zachno booted Wheelera bray U's routine grounder for his
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: major league leading fourteenth hour of the season. Now that
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: O had been, in my mind, playing a lot better
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: defensively over the last week or two, some really great
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: plays the routine plays are looking really solid. Was this
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: a momentary lapse on his part, Mark, or any reason
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: for concern when you saw that play?
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: Just a baseball play, I think he. I'd agree with
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: your comments that things happened in improving the routine plays
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: have been made with more consistency, and that's obviously a
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: good thing. So I think all things are headed in
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: the right direction. Interesting article by your former employer, the
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: La Times. I saw kind of a fun story on
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: the I guess the Pokemon and that seems to be
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: it's brought the team some luck. Multiple guys are into it, uh,
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: and kind of a fun piece there. If people didn't
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: catch that.
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just put it this way. Kind of a
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: fun piece is one way of looking at it. Mark,
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: And you're your glass is pretty half full today, So
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: good for you, Mark, good on. Good for you for
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: taking that really positive approach to that article. Well, you know,
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: the Times doesn't provide much changes coverage, so at least.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: They that unfortunately used to get both papers growing up,
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: Register and the Times and look forward to the sports section. Yeah,
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: this isn't a documentary piece, but I guess that's just
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: kind of where we fill in. You could there's there's
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: if you want, you know, with that format used to
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: get a couple of different opinions. Now like on the broadcast, Uh,
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: yesterday showed a lot of the fans, the energetic fans
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: that uh, you know, the Tarpsoft crew, and I don't
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: think Peacock is restrained by any of it. I'm not
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: sure they exactly. I assumed they were hip to mostly
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: what was going on, but uh definitely gave them, you know,
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: more more notice and they didn't do the greatest job
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: drowning out the U audio. So that was there, and
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: it seems to be it's not going anywhere. I wonder
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: if the momentum is going to keep up or what.
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: But uh, it was a.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: Little honestly, been surprised it's been sustained as long and
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: as forcefully as it has. You know, I was out
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: there Saturday and Sunday, and I get up to the
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: games regularly in my you know, uh, freelancing for AP
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: and every game, you know, you look up and and
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: you know those sections are empty. All of a sudden,
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: the last one in the upper deck is starting to
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: fill up, and you know, you look up five minutes
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: later and the word I use to describe it is.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: The crowd is just metastasizing. It just grows and grows
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: and grows. And they've been nice where three sections have
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: been full of the tarpsoft crew and to sell the
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: team chance and the Yankees suck chance, which is interesting
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: to hear when the Yankees aren't in town and USA.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: It's just a whole mix of chance. And you know
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of these guys are probably having a lot
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: of fun and probably an adult beverager three good on them.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: But you know, the soul of the or the intent
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: and the thrust of the movement has really been able
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: to maintain itself. And that's you know, to sell the
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: team chance. Now all poking fun at my former employer's side.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: They do still have a serious baseball right around staff
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: named Bill Shakan, who wrote a really good story in
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Monday Morning's paper about John Mozeylock, the interim GM. We'll
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that either today or in
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: our next show. So they still do some good things,
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: and I don't know what to make of these fans.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: You know, Artie's in one thing Shaken mentioned in that
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: in most conversations with Artie, selling a team has not
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: come up. He's most seems convinced that Artie is in
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: this for the long haul. So I don't know how
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: much longer this sell the team thing is gonna last,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's putting a big dent
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: in Artie's plans as of now. And remember, he does
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: turn eighty years old this year. Interesting thing to watch,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: but kudos to those fans for at least trying to
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: keep up the pressure. Let's talk a little bit more
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: about this SoC series. Mark, do you have any other
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: takeaways from this?
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you, Yeah, a question of what
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: do you see with the development of both Sam Aldergary
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: and Ryan Johnson at starting pitchers. Both these guys are
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: up and down. Johnson We've covered quite a bit Alde
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Gary as well, giving them starts. The pitches great out poorly.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: That's the only way to put it. Alde Gary the
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: other day, actually his curveball graded pretty well. Didn't use
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: it that much, wasn't pounding the strike zone. What he
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: does well is he gets soft contact what he's going well,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: but too many free passes, too much nibbling. Johnson has
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: turned into kind of a Dan Herron, a poor man's
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Dan Herronkomp, you know, throwing mainly just the cutter and
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: a split finger. The velocity that was mid nineties. We
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: talked a little bit about that. You know, he's more
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: of a ninety two when he throws a sinker, which
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: doesn't rate very well, actually not well at all, So
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: he's kind of gridlocked. And maybe it's just one bad inning.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: You could kind of make that narrative, but I don't
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: know if either of these two guys. I think they
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: need to do, you know, something to further boost their development.
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  Speaker 2: And both of them have huge differences on their release
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: points seven degrees, so alt gary on has change up
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  Speaker 2: thirty seven degrees on his four team forty four, Johnson's
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: thirteen degrees on his split twenty on his cutter. So
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: that that arm difference and that the release point when
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: you see especially Alde Gary I think is tipping with
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: his glove as well to accommodate the changeup grip. And
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: I think Wayne might have even hinted on the broadcast
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: it looks like they knew what was coming, or canterraros
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: or whatever. That's what you're seeing. You're seeing a good
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: major league hitter that's picking up on something in real
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: time and seven degree arm difference that you know, it's
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: the release point you pick up on that. I've said
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: it before. Sonny Gray is an example. He's got seven
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: pitches or something and he is the it's on his
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: change up. I think he's over the top quite a bit,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: which is counterintuitive, but it's his worst pitch statistically over
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: the years too. He doesn't use it that often, but
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: most of the really good pitchers you want to be
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: about two degrees difference. Seven is too big difference, and
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  Speaker 2: I think that's partly or mainly why these guys are
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: not able to disguise their off speed pitches.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I just think it's the Angels are in that
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: really uncomfortable position of having to use guys in the
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: big leagues who are not ready for the big leagues.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I think he could make that case with two of
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: the Both of those guys Aldo Gary walks are really
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: hurting him. I mean, he walked two guys ahead of
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Contoursa's homer in the first inning Saturday night. You know,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: you don't walk those guys. Maybe a limit the damage. Maybe,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: you know, Contrarast is a little bit inevitable the way
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: he's hitting right now. Maybe that's a solo home runstead
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: of a three run shot and Ryan Johnson home man.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: We we've talked about his development quote unquote, and the
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: actually with the plan with the sam Blum and I
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: just echo a lot of his thoughts is this kid's
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: been up and down, up and down. I just wish
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: to keep him in one place for more than a
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: couple of months, to let him get comfortable, let him
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: develop into the picture he's going to be, and they
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: have to figure out with him at some point if
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: he's going to be a starter or if he's going
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: to be a reliever. And I think the stuff we're
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: seeing from him right now is more an indication to
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: me that his future might be in the bullpen. What
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: do you think.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: As a starter, he's kind of a junker, He's soft tossing,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: relying a lot on chase. The stuff as it is,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: it's going to be tough to get guys out in
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the strike zone. I am one of the last people
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: that wants to talk about, you know, throwing harder, throwing harder,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: But this is a candidate that you know, you get
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: the metrics, don't lie. Throwing harder is harder to hit.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: And if he's gonna be a guy that's throwing low nineties.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: It just with the lower arm slot. I still see
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: him as a seventh eighth inning guy coming in attacking. Yes,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: he's gonna get the swing and miss. That's where you
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: want to chase more so than in a starting pitcher
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: relying on it. Because the teams, like you know, a
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: lot of the Yankees type teams, Dodgers, very selective. They're
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: gonna they're gonna lay off those pitches by that second
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: at bat. And these guys are not giving any length.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Uh So you have some of the bullpen arms that
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: are you know, having to go back to back, which yes,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: they're able to go back to back. But like sil
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Seth coming in the other night, maybe we'll get to
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: that later. But he had pitched the night before in
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: a game that wasn't particularly close out of probably necessity
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: with alde Gary going so short, and then kind of
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: got lit up yesterday. Didn't look too happy about it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And welcome back to Halo territory with Mark Trumplin, Mike d. Givannah. Yeah,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I was really surprised they brought still Step into that game.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Saturday night was an eight to one Red Sox eventual win.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I went back and looked it had been three days
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: since Chase pitching a game, and I know, for a
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: reliever who's used to pitching as much as he does,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a on the long side
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: for a layoff. But to me, you know, he's one
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: of your top two, top three relievers right now, why
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: use him in that game if he really needs to,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: you know, get some work in, do a little touchy
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: feel bullpen, you know, in the ninth thing, try to
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: get a feel for an amount. Don't overwork yourself so
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: you make yourself, you know, full strength and available for
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: the next day. You know, it's hard to judge everything
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the Angels are doing because they're not in a pennant race,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: you know, they're not there's no real long term plan like, oh,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: we got to have this guy ready for October. That's
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: that's the huge difference. So like covering the Angels and
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers, everything is done within the context in la
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: of you know, how is this going to prepare us
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: for October? You don't have that situation Anaheim, so it
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: is different. But man, you know you got to you
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: got to ration your best relievers. In my mind, and
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Chase Silseth should not have been in that game.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: He was, you know they called down. Yeah, he was
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: the guy that he's been putting a tough situation this year. Yes,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: he's allowed the most inherited runners, but he's also been
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: out there all the time. He's the go to guy.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: He's basically the toughest part of the order. Generally Bachmann
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: is now too, but it hasn't been an easy road
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: for him this year. They're not giving him, you know,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: these outings that are against the bottom of part of
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: the order and et cetera. He's he's having to go
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: get it. He's done a great job in my opinion,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: as a guy that's you know, still somewhat new to relieving.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: In that role.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: And they're going to be you know, on the tarra
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: had A had A had a poor outing. Uh, it's
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: gonna happen. It was bound to happen. You learned from it,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: You move on. I mean, it's not that big a deal.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: What do you think you know, Yates, are you finally
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: coming around to the idea he's throwing the ball a
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: little better? Well, he seemed like you were convinced when
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I brought up the stats against righties.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: But yeah, well he seems to be in every game
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: where there's a plus or minus five. Now I'm not
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: sure if he's ever gonna pitch in a high leverage
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: situation again. Uh, the Angels have to close. Oh, I
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think so, Mark, Am I
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: coming aroun? Yeah? You look better, but he has He
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: has not pitching many high leverage situations lately. So I
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: don't know what to make of it. Let's see him,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you know, close, Let's see him not two or three
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: saves in a row, and then I'll make my decisions.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: So close the show by talking about you know this
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: this time of year, things happen and teams, you know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: especially I'm not so much teams with people in the
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: media like, oh my god, now there they were buyers.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Now they're sellers. They're sellers, now they're buyers. You know,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: A three game winning streak this time of year, or
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: losing streak this time of year can really alter things.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: We're still a little less than a month away from
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the deadline, but the Angels lost six in a row.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: They've fallen way back in the West. They have the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: worst record in the league. Do the events of this
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: past week alter what the Angels should do with the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: trade deadline in your mind? Or is it just confirm
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: what you already feel like they should do.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's changed.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: It.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they're gonna do, is my I
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I'm interested as everyone else is, and certainly we're not
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: gonna get any leaks as to what Moe's plan is.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Mostly like, we can speculating stuff, but a guy like that,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: and the last thing you want is is things, you know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: some leaky sieve and rumors and nonsense. So whatever the
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: plan is, he's going to keep it. He's doing a
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: great job following off some tough questions when asked about
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: what yeah, I mean. But he's honest too, He's not
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: he's not giving those answers that when you know, you
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: read them and you think, wow, this guy has a
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: disdain for either the fans or the media. Whatever he's
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: he's doing the best he can to give, you know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: honest answers. And yes, they're coming up with a plan
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and it's going to have to appease both sides. The
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: owner who's the one that's paying for things. And I think,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: uh Mo, doesn't you know we've talked about he really
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: he doesn't care about getting fired tomorrow. He wouldn't change
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: his career one bit. But he is here to help.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: He's identified that this is a franchise that is not
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: hitited in the right direction, hasn't been for a while.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I think there was a fan with an interesting sign
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: saying that Seam has been rebuilding for a while. I
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: don't know if you have that or not, but.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I wasn't going to close the show with it,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: but since you mentioned it, I have to give props
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: in a shout out to this fan. So let me
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: set up a situation. I was actually watching the game
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Friday night on TV. It's the eighth inning. I think
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: it's a pretty lopsided Red so I forget to score
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: whatever the Red Sox are winning. Big Jose Siri hits
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: a home run the right center field and the TV
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: pans to the gap above the wall, and this is
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: what we see on our telecast, so you can see
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: there's a fan on the right, he's got his hand.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he made the catch or not,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: but this fan's holding a sign rebuilding since twenty ten.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: And you can tell he was determined to get this
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: sign on TV because as the ball, as the flight
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: of the ball is heading what must have been very
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: close to him, he just holds a sign right in
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: front of his face with no fear while the fans
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: nearby are scrambling for the home run ball. And I
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: just have to give this fan props for his persistence.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: What would you what would you? How would you describe
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: this fan? Mark? And did you notice that when you
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: were watching?
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Committed? Very committed. I don't know where they got the
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: year from. There's probably some you know fact, you know, like.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen, more like twenty sixteen.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: You know they did win a Yeah, well, okay, so
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine with the you know, the playoff run,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: A very good team, very competitive team. I'd like to
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: think that the teams I was on with, you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's very tough because sometimes you don't
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: know if it's more like the high school fond memories
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: of you know, we you know, we're just so much
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: better than what we're currently watching. But I do know fundamentally,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: and this is a topic I think we'll explore a
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: little bit. But what has happened. I think with Mexico
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: opened up some roster spots, quite a few roster spots actually,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: and where a lot of the veteran players have gone
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: that route as opposed to staying with these organizations. And
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: these guys are fundamentally sound. They're the players that you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: as long as the game has been going, we're the
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: ones that we're filling in and whatnot. But the rosters
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: are very young. The development at the big leagues. Some
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: of the sloppy play that is just you know, it's
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: all too ordinary now and it's not as big a deal.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: So it's definitely I think for former players you see
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: the strong opinions on social platforms and whatnot, it's very
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: tough because you try. I don't have any interest in
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: arguing with people about it, but I will say it
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: does look a little bit different. I guess the only
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: last point. Did you know who saved the game for
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: the Rockies yesterday?
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: So?
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Uh, it was a guy named either Justin Romano or
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Justin Romano. I think that was it.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: It might be his cousin Jordan's as well, but uh yeah, yeah,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: just out of my head, that's what happens. Man, Jordan Romano,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Jordan. Uh two quality uh appearances for the Rockies.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: So he's back in the big could be nothing, but
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: he is back in the closers role.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: So that was interesting to me. And yeah, uh go halos.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: All right, Hey, we're gonna close the show with that.
• 30:50
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• 31:15
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• 31:19
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