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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, March 30 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 1: and John Osher. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now.
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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, marcht
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Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick, John Osier, and NFL network analysts Bucky Brooks.
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Speaker 1: We have reaction from the NFL annual meeting in Palm Beach,
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Speaker 1: including Jaguars owner Shot Cohn and head coach Doug Peterson.
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Speaker 1: And a little later, the Jaguars and made another signing
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Speaker 1: in free agency on the defensive line. That's all coming
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Speaker 1: up in just a moment. Bucky, Good morning, afternoon, whatever
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Speaker 1: time you're listening to this podcast. How are you, man,
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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. How you guys doing. We're hanging in.
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Speaker 1: John is back. He's got a nice fresh sun tan
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Speaker 1: from Palm Beach. Why I don't like the rule? You
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Speaker 1: don't like the overtime rum you were tweeting about that?
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Speaker 1: I heard you were you writing about that. I just
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Speaker 1: hates the wrong words because it's I mean, in the
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Speaker 1: game will still get decided. But to me, I keep
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Speaker 1: going back to this and again I get that I'm
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Speaker 1: the old man. I'm becoming crotching my old age. But
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Speaker 1: is it not fair to think that an NFL defense
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Speaker 1: should have a better than of stopping an NFL offense?
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Speaker 1: Why do we assume that a defense can't keep the
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Speaker 1: opposing team out of the end zone off of a
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Speaker 1: kickoff and they can't force him not to score with
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Speaker 1: a seventy mean sn yard field. I got an email
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Speaker 1: today from somebody's haying, well, the Bills lost that playoff
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Speaker 1: game because of a coin flip, then lost because the
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Speaker 1: defense couldn't stop the g outscore him in tow and
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Speaker 1: it kept saying, everybody keeps emailing me about this. Well,
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen should have had a chance against Patrick Mahomes.
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Speaker 1: It's the entire team play. And if we've gone so
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Speaker 1: far that that can't be done, then we're then the
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Speaker 1: rules favor the offense too much. Bucky, we're off and
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Speaker 1: running today with soapbox here. So what is your opinion?
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Speaker 1: What's next? You gotta have three possessions, got a four,
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Speaker 1: let's shout, let's just play another game. But well, a
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Speaker 1: stratt of offense, a stradd of offense on like, hey,
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Speaker 1: you have to do it. It's um the defenses that
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Speaker 1: are disadvantaged because typically if the team rallies back and
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Speaker 1: scores at the end of regulation, they win the coin flip.
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Speaker 1: That defense has been under sure little gas, but I
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Speaker 1: think it does add a little entry two the post
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Speaker 1: season because now and overtime when you get it, if
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Speaker 1: you score, you have to make a decision of whether
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Speaker 1: to go for two or are you going to take
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Speaker 1: the p A T and then let the other team
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Speaker 1: determine whether you go home or not, because more than
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Speaker 1: likely if I score as the second team, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: go for two and I'm gonna win the game. So
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Speaker 1: I think it puts a little entries more so on
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Speaker 1: the two point conversion more so than anything else. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: or if you know, if you're not confident for some
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Speaker 1: reason on your two point player, you can tie it.
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Speaker 1: They're not gonna They're gonna go to another overtime if
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Speaker 1: you've got a time after two possessions, right, I mean, well,
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Speaker 1: with Bucky's point is if you kick, if the first
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Speaker 1: team kicks yes at seven and you have momentum, that
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Speaker 1: second team is probably gonna go for to and try
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Speaker 1: to end it. Yes, So that's why the first team
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Speaker 1: should go ahead and go for two and put him
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Speaker 1: out their misery. I just I get you can't stop
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Speaker 1: the ball rolling down the hill. That it's an entirely
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Speaker 1: quarterback offensive league, and it always has been. I get it,
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Speaker 1: But I always like sling it, throw it, Yes, sling it.
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Speaker 1: But if the rules are such that it is impossible,
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Speaker 1: because that's basically what fans are staying with this. Oh,
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Speaker 1: it's impossible for the it's impossible for one of the
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Speaker 1: other playoff games. Right, Well, then the defense make a
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Speaker 1: stop in an overtime game? Well the postseason? Am I
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Speaker 1: crazy something? I feel what team it was actually made
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Speaker 1: a stop? I just the defense is allowed to get
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Speaker 1: the other team off the field at some point. So
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Speaker 1: that's that an angry buck. I saw one suggestion, maybe
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Speaker 1: they should just go like soccer and do you know
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Speaker 1: fifty yard field goals as the well the kick. They've
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Speaker 1: always been in a bind on this because people making
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Speaker 1: the rules are always concerned about length. They don't want
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Speaker 1: a length in the game. Length in the game, length
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Speaker 1: in the game because that's when injuries happen and everybody
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Speaker 1: wants fewer plays. So here you are, you're adding plays.
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Speaker 1: So it's it's uh, I figured they would cave. I
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Speaker 1: didn't figure they would cave this quickly. I thought it
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Speaker 1: might take a year. But um, in this day and age,
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Speaker 1: stuff gets done quickly. I'm not sure it's always to
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Speaker 1: do maybe that the same thing, but remember when oh,
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Speaker 1: we gotta change the over, we gotta change the interference rule.
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Speaker 1: We got change the interference rule, and they did it,
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's like, after one year,
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Speaker 1: you know it. Well, all right, so it's and it's
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Speaker 1: postseason only at least to begin with how many games?
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Speaker 1: Who knows what happens. Let's move forward though. Now. You
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Speaker 1: had an interview with Jaguar owner shot Com this week
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Speaker 1: down at the Poem Beach at the Breakers, and you
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Speaker 1: wrapped up that interview on Jaguars dot com with this,
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Speaker 1: you've seen fired up about what's going on now. And
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Speaker 1: I know you always are your positive first, and but
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Speaker 1: there I've seen something different about the way you feel
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Speaker 1: about this going forward. Yeah. You know, it's like something
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Speaker 1: you're kind of feeling in your bones. Uh. And it's
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Speaker 1: like a feeling certainly I haven't had. Okay, I think
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Speaker 1: the collective thinking and the whole the big picture. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And then the vibe, you know, the level of confidence,
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Speaker 1: the level of experience with the coaches. You know, I've
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Speaker 1: worked in environments, you know, primarily factories, offices where there
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Speaker 1: were no walls and you know you're all sitting together. Um,
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Speaker 1: you know, we've had the structure obviously in the performance center,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have, you know, basically visual control you can
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Speaker 1: see who is. But I did that right after we
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Speaker 1: you know, uh, we got to Jacksonville where we could
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Speaker 1: to eliminate that we wanted to see, but visual control.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I love that now with coaches that
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Speaker 1: you walk in the hallway, people are standing talking, drawing
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Speaker 1: plays and the collaboration. Uh, you know, so early in
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Speaker 1: the season, it's really great to see. I asked you
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Speaker 1: this on a show on Monday. Oh what was your
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Speaker 1: other big takeaway from Mr conn Well, I think the
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Speaker 1: big takeaway that clearly he wanted to discuss most of
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Speaker 1: all was the collaborative nature and the vibe of the building,
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Speaker 1: which everybody who followed the jag Wars has heard about.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's a good feeling. With Doug Peterson. He
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Speaker 1: talked about the professionalism of Doug Peterson. He talked a
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Speaker 1: lot about Doug Peterson was on the radar as I
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Speaker 1: don't say throughout the Urban Meyer, but once that ended,
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Speaker 1: it was clear from talking to Shot that Doug was
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Speaker 1: a a strong possibility from the beginning. I don't say
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Speaker 1: he was the favorite throughout, but uh, it does feel
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Speaker 1: like it all circled back and that for Shod that
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Speaker 1: felt very logical after how he felt about Doug Peterson.
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Speaker 1: He mentioned having met him at the owners meeting before,
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Speaker 1: he had known him for a while, so the comfort
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Speaker 1: level there, and uh, you know, just the fact that
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Speaker 1: he really looks at it as a uh in his words,
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Speaker 1: maybe for the first time or the most since he's
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Speaker 1: been here, the most collaborative process between everybody involved. That
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Speaker 1: certainly was his theme. Good start, bucket, sounds like right now.
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Speaker 1: The question is moving it forward, getting to the draft,
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Speaker 1: getting to the offseason program, getting to the season, that's
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Speaker 1: when we'll really find out. Yeah, I think it's a
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Speaker 1: really good start. And I'll say this, having known Doug
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Speaker 1: for a long time, having played with Doug, doing a
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Speaker 1: time together in Green Bay, and also having known a
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Speaker 1: lot of the mentors that he's had, UM, this is
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Speaker 1: what I would expect it to. He like um having
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Speaker 1: played and having played and worked under Andy Reid, a
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Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that Doug is doing are things
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Speaker 1: that were done in those walls with those teams, having
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Speaker 1: known both of those guys, and so I'm not surprised
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Speaker 1: that it's a collaboration where you're seeing guys have better
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Speaker 1: communication um front office, the coaching staff, coaching staff, the players,
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Speaker 1: coaches and front office members to maybe people around the
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Speaker 1: building that maybe on the other side of the aisle
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Speaker 1: um look man football as much as it is in
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Speaker 1: a tactical game, it's about relationships. It's about building bonds
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Speaker 1: where the players trust that you have their best interests
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Speaker 1: at heart, and there's an commitment and accountability that comes
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Speaker 1: along with building that. And what you're seeing is Doug
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Speaker 1: trying to build those bonds in the building. So everybody
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Speaker 1: feels good, it feels good about the direction of the program,
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Speaker 1: and I think you can sense it because that's who
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Speaker 1: he is naturally. But all so think that's part of
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Speaker 1: the team building process. I've said this for a long time.
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Speaker 1: Before we the Jacks can win on the field, everything
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes has to be right and connected, and
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Speaker 1: I feel like from the outside end that you're beginning
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Speaker 1: to see some of the connectivity that's necessary to be
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Speaker 1: a championship team, you know, to make that collaborative process
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Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful. JP. If Trevor is good, that helps, it
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Speaker 1: certainly does help, then there'll be more collaborations. Take a
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Speaker 1: stick out. Yeah, everybody, it's uh kumbaya. Yes. And I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you, uh you heard or read the
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Speaker 1: story that I wrote from Doug Peterson's availability on Monday, JP.
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Speaker 1: I think you did read it, because that's my job,
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Speaker 1: because you have to um. But he talked. I thought
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Speaker 1: he moved the story forward a little bit bucky when
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Speaker 1: he talked about how much he likes how accurate Trevor
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Speaker 1: is in play action, how accurate is outside the pocket.
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Speaker 1: He talked a lot about Trevor's ability in the quarterback
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Speaker 1: movement game. It seems sort of logical that that's how
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Speaker 1: he we'd use Trevor. But it was the first time
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Speaker 1: that I heard Doug talk about that after really diving
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Speaker 1: into what Trevor can do well. I'm assuming he spent
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Speaker 1: a lot of time watching Trevor on film and since
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Speaker 1: February six, and uh, it sounds to me like he
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Speaker 1: certainly believes that movement and that element of Trevor's game
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Speaker 1: is gonna be a huge part of it. Is one
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Speaker 1: of those things that I think we all have seen
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Speaker 1: Trevor flash and do those things we all kind of
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Speaker 1: wanted to see a little more. That is rookie season.
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Speaker 1: For whatever reason, some of that stuff wasn't done. But
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Speaker 1: the easiest way to help a young quarterback is to
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Speaker 1: use play action and what I'll say bootlegs or movement.
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Speaker 1: Play action where you're faking the ball one way, you're
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Speaker 1: coming out the back door. It allows you to not
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Speaker 1: only move the defense with deception, but you also cut
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Speaker 1: the field and I have to make the reeds easier
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Speaker 1: for the quarterback to see clearly where the ball should go.
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Speaker 1: And annoying Doug Peterson's work with quarterback because he's been
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Speaker 1: able to get every quarterback up and running, Nick Foles,
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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, even Jalen Hurst. What he has always done
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Speaker 1: a really good job of is digging deep into their
11:07
Speaker 1: backgrounds to see what they did really well and building
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Speaker 1: the plan from those elements. And so when we go
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Speaker 1: back and look at what Trevor did well at Clemson,
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Speaker 1: he could move, he could run, he could do a
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Speaker 1: lot of those things. When now you add that to
11:22
Speaker 1: what are some basic concept that having you throughout the
11:26
Speaker 1: years in the pros, the basic bootleg passing game and
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Speaker 1: all that other stuff. Yeah, it's easier to be able
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Speaker 1: to package where he should be able to be efficient
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Speaker 1: while steadily evolving from game manager to playmaker at the position.
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Speaker 1: Also study like the way through the deep ball and
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Speaker 1: the seam routes and all that kind of stuff. So
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Speaker 1: we'll see how all that comes together once they get
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Speaker 1: out on the grass in the preseason and especially in
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Speaker 1: the regular season. It starts up front, though, there was
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Speaker 1: a lot of talk this week at the owners meetings
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Speaker 1: about the offensive line Cam Robinson at left tackle. Of course,
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Speaker 1: Peterson said they want to work out a long, long
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Speaker 1: term deal there. That's the hope. Um Brandon Linder retired
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Speaker 1: in the midst of the press conference earlier this week,
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Speaker 1: and then the right tackle a question and Peterson asked
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Speaker 1: this week about Juwan Taylor on the right side of
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Speaker 1: the offensive line. I think he's another big reason why,
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Speaker 1: you know, you keep that offensive line, you know, intact,
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Speaker 1: and you have you got him, Uh, you got Cam,
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Speaker 1: and then you have Walker Little, who is another guy
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Speaker 1: that's gonna be able to compete at that tackle spot
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Speaker 1: and or be able to play both. So you know,
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Speaker 1: as I said earlier, it's hard to find offensive lineman
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Speaker 1: in this league. And when you have a couple of
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Speaker 1: guys on your roster like we do, you try to
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Speaker 1: keep him, you know, and you try to keep him here.
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Speaker 1: And uh, I think it's gonna be a really good battle.
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Speaker 1: I think with with with Juan, with Walker, you know,
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Speaker 1: at that position, and uh, you know, but I love
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Speaker 1: everything that that Juwan has done there. There's flashes, there's moments.
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Speaker 1: We just gotta get more out of the entire group, right,
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Speaker 1: not just one layer, but get more out of all
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Speaker 1: those guys, uh, to be able to perform at a
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Speaker 1: higher level. So that's obviously a huge question mark now
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Speaker 1: right tackle the battle there? What do you see playing
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Speaker 1: out Bucky'll get out your crystal ball today? And what
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Speaker 1: do you see playing out in training camp in the offseason. Well,
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Speaker 1: a couple of things. It does sound like Dougs been
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Speaker 1: since here when he sees potential and Juan Taylor, it
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Speaker 1: also sounds like he wants competition where walk a little
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Speaker 1: has an opportunity to compete for that. Um, I think
13:29
Speaker 1: in the perfect world, what you would like to do
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Speaker 1: if possible is to put the best five that you
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Speaker 1: have out there. You want the best buyer performers on
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Speaker 1: the field, and so that's Cam Robinson. We know it's
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Speaker 1: going to be there, Brandon Shuff is going to be there,
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Speaker 1: and now you're trying to kind of reshuffle the furniture
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Speaker 1: to see if guys can get on the field. And
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Speaker 1: so does that mean that ay Juwan Taylor and walk
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Speaker 1: a little they can compete at tackle, But can one
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Speaker 1: of those guys move inside and play guard? Potentially? Can
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Speaker 1: you do some stuff where he do I like walk
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Speaker 1: a little over my other options? Um do I like
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Speaker 1: Ben Bark. They're like, like, how does the entire group look?
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Speaker 1: Some of that will be experimentation, doing workouts and O
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Speaker 1: T A s. And some of that is just your
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Speaker 1: mindset and your thought press up thought process on how
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Speaker 1: do we want to attack the draft? You know, because
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Speaker 1: when that quote came out, I haven't heard that. There's
14:23
Speaker 1: still some questions about with the Jaguars take a tackle
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Speaker 1: at number one and that stuff, And I still wouldn't
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Speaker 1: completely rule it out of the realm of possibility. I
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Speaker 1: think what you wanna do is you've heard him talk
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Speaker 1: about Trevor Lawrence being an important piece for the team
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Speaker 1: getting up and going. You want to make sure that
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Speaker 1: you do everything to give Trevor an opportunity to play
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Speaker 1: at the high level. Mean a preface this by saying,
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Speaker 1: I hope that this is Tyler Shatley's job for next
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Speaker 1: three or four years at center. But I wonder if
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Speaker 1: at thirty three, I'm all in a receiver at thirty three,
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Speaker 1: but I wonder what this lender bomb can kids sitting
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Speaker 1: out there is. And I guess I'm asking Bucky along
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Speaker 1: with in a question here, do you is there a
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Speaker 1: scenario where you draft interior lineman, have Shatley start, but
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Speaker 1: then eventually have this interior alignment started center with Shatley
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Speaker 1: back to the position that he's been so good at,
15:22
Speaker 1: which is the swing guy, the reliable guy. I suppose
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Speaker 1: that's only My guest is that's a question that we'll
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Speaker 1: talk about leading to the draft and that they won't
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Speaker 1: be able to answer until they're on the clock because
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Speaker 1: it will be about the players available. Yeah. Uh, I
15:34
Speaker 1: think I think you have to understand that everybody's always
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Speaker 1: influenced by what they had when they were really successful
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Speaker 1: in the pass um dog Peter said, Jason Kelsey was
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Speaker 1: one of the best centers UM that we've seen UH
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Speaker 1: in recent years. And Jason Kelsey was a guy who
15:49
Speaker 1: was athletic enough to pool from the pivot position, which
15:52
Speaker 1: is uncommon, and so he understands the value of having
15:55
Speaker 1: someone who is not only just a guy that's a snapper,
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Speaker 1: but a guy that is a bit of an impact
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Speaker 1: player at the line of scrimin I would say that
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Speaker 1: that center UH interior guard position wide open in terms
16:06
Speaker 1: of looking and evaluating seeing if you can upgrade. No
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Speaker 1: disrespect to UM the incumbent who's been elevated, but you're
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Speaker 1: trying to put together the best offensive line that you
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Speaker 1: can have because typically if your offensive line is a
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Speaker 1: top five office in line, your offense kind of correlates
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Speaker 1: to the way that they perform in the trenches. How
16:26
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because I like him a lot.
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Speaker 1: I think he's a technical marvel. I think he's a
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Speaker 1: good job because he's will trained, coming from Iowa. He
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Speaker 1: doesn't have what they call position flex. He's not a guard.
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Speaker 1: He's just a true center and he's really good at
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Speaker 1: what he does. And that's okay. If he's your starter. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: if you can start and play. Yeah, if he can
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Speaker 1: start and play, like, I don't think it's an issue.
16:46
Speaker 1: But you know, like at this part of the process,
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Speaker 1: everyone is it's the beauty pageant, right, I want to
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Speaker 1: make sure that they can do multiple things or whatever.
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Speaker 1: But he's the best center. Um. I don't think it's close.
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Speaker 1: It's tricky though, because it's a bit of a love
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Speaker 1: hate relationship ship with him. In the scouting community. Some
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Speaker 1: people love him because he's so refined and he comes
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Speaker 1: from Iow and Iowa has a great reputation for producing
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Speaker 1: um office in Lineman, as evidenced by Brennan Shrip. But
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Speaker 1: you know, some guys are like, yeah, but he's not strong,
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Speaker 1: and I worry about a big nose being on him
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Speaker 1: and wilding him back. I don't know. I think sometimes
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Speaker 1: you overthink the guy has been really good for a
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Speaker 1: long time in college. If he is available somewhere there,
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Speaker 1: which might be a bit of a surprise, if he's
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Speaker 1: there at thirty three, yeah, you have to you have
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Speaker 1: to take him. I think he's a really good pick.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's come back in a moment. We'll hear
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Speaker 1: one more from Doug Peterson on his relationship with defensive
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Speaker 1: coordinator Mike Caldwell, what the scheme might look like, and
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Speaker 1: Peterson at the NFL Annual Meeting, Jaguar's head coach at
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Speaker 1: his press conference at the a f C Coaches Breakfast
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Speaker 1: earlier this week, and he discussed his relationship with defensive
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Speaker 1: coordinator Mike Caldwell and what this thing could look like defensively. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Mike and I go way back, Uh, you know as
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Speaker 1: as as players together. Um, I've always had a lot
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Speaker 1: of respect for him. You know, we worked together on
18:36
Speaker 1: coach reads staff, you know, in Philadelphia. Um, you know
18:41
Speaker 1: I also worked with Todd Bowles, and so when when Todd,
18:44
Speaker 1: when Todd left, you know, he always he took Mike
18:46
Speaker 1: with him. As I've always followed Todd and Mike kind
18:49
Speaker 1: of their defenses weather in New York and Arizona, Tampa Bay, um,
18:55
Speaker 1: and and always felt like Mike, Mike wuld make a
18:58
Speaker 1: really good defensive coordinator one day, you know, just giving
19:00
Speaker 1: an opportunity. And that's that's kind of like when I
19:03
Speaker 1: was a coordinator. Somebody had to give me an opportunity, right,
19:06
Speaker 1: And um, he and I gotta have a great relationship.
19:10
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm just I'm excited to watch him, to
19:14
Speaker 1: watch him work and called defenses and uh, you know,
19:17
Speaker 1: go to work this year. We're gonna base it out
19:19
Speaker 1: of a three four you know, Um, but it's so
19:23
Speaker 1: multiple in nature. You know the base will be three four,
19:26
Speaker 1: but you know, teams offenses are playing so much eleven
19:30
Speaker 1: personnel that you're gonna be informed, you know, four down line,
19:34
Speaker 1: you know, a four to configuration a lot, So it'll
19:37
Speaker 1: be multiple in nature that way. All right, So there's
19:39
Speaker 1: a lot there. Um, guys. Obviously they have a track record,
19:43
Speaker 1: a history of sorts together three four, But it's hybrid.
19:47
Speaker 1: We've heard that a time or two. What does that?
19:49
Speaker 1: What does that actually mean to you, Bucky that what's
19:51
Speaker 1: this thing is actually gonna look like? It just means that, Uh,
19:55
Speaker 1: we'll see what they call odd fronts, meaning you'll see
19:59
Speaker 1: a notice how go right over top of the center.
20:01
Speaker 1: Uh as some form, you'll see like two additional guys
20:05
Speaker 1: with their hands in the dirt. Uh. They create a
20:07
Speaker 1: three man surface, and then you have guys that are
20:09
Speaker 1: moving around, um like four linebackers per se. But I
20:13
Speaker 1: think what you talked about n being multiple. It's almost
20:16
Speaker 1: impossible to be a guy that can just sit in
20:17
Speaker 1: your base defense all the time. Because Doug Peterson talks
20:21
Speaker 1: about a loving personnel one back, one tied in three
20:24
Speaker 1: wide receivers. You have to have nickel personnel in the game,
20:27
Speaker 1: which is why people consider that nickel player a starter,
20:30
Speaker 1: because you have twelve starters on defense. Um, it just
20:34
Speaker 1: means that you have to have a variety of tools
20:36
Speaker 1: in the toolbox. You have to have personnel that can
20:38
Speaker 1: fit a bunch of different roles. Because if Mike call
20:42
Speaker 1: was is anything like tie Bowls, they are going to
20:45
Speaker 1: start blitzing as soon as the other ponent gets off
20:47
Speaker 1: the bus, and they're gonna bring They're gonna fix their
20:49
Speaker 1: issues with pressure. They're gonna come after you. If you
20:52
Speaker 1: can cover in man, they'll play man if not their
20:54
Speaker 1: zone dog, but they are going to heat you up,
20:57
Speaker 1: and they're gonna bring it from a variety of different angles,
20:59
Speaker 1: and they can put their own us on the quarterback
21:01
Speaker 1: to figure out where the holes are and to make
21:03
Speaker 1: accurate throw. And so I think that you will see
21:06
Speaker 1: a lot of those characteristics come out in the scheme
21:10
Speaker 1: that he puts together in Jacksmith. Yeah, I actually asked
21:14
Speaker 1: the question because, um, are you gonna be Well, we've
21:20
Speaker 1: sort of assumed that it's three four, and the entire
21:24
Speaker 1: time I've been thinking about it, I'm like, why don't
21:26
Speaker 1: I even care if it's the three four or four
21:27
Speaker 1: three or not? Because, as you said, it feels now
21:32
Speaker 1: when you talk about a three four or four three
21:34
Speaker 1: defense like you're ten years behind the times, because as
21:38
Speaker 1: Bucky said, they just don't ever run it. When you're
21:40
Speaker 1: actually watching the game, do you ever think about it
21:42
Speaker 1: being a three four or four three? It's not like Madden.
21:44
Speaker 1: You stay up. Yeah, So it's Uh, I understand the question.
21:49
Speaker 1: I asked the question because I had been getting the
21:51
Speaker 1: question a lot from from readers, and I really didn't
21:54
Speaker 1: have the exact answer that I wanted. Uh, And that
21:57
Speaker 1: was really and I was really the answer the Bucky game.
22:01
Speaker 1: There's gonna be so many multiple fronts, there's gonna so
22:03
Speaker 1: many different situations. You're in nickel. I keep using things,
22:07
Speaker 1: but you're probably your best defense. You better have a
22:12
Speaker 1: way to stop the run out of it. And that
22:14
Speaker 1: better b way to had better be how you play
22:16
Speaker 1: defense in the NFL. Buck, you said seventy plus. Now, yeah,
22:19
Speaker 1: it's about seventy percent of time you have some kind
22:21
Speaker 1: of nickel. And so what we have to also understand
22:23
Speaker 1: is they are various forms of nickel defenses. So you
22:27
Speaker 1: have your traditional nickel where you may have three corners, uh,
22:30
Speaker 1: two safeties, um, you know, on the field. But then
22:35
Speaker 1: you also have teams that are using three safety looks
22:38
Speaker 1: in two corners to be able to put a bigger
22:41
Speaker 1: body that might be more effective against the run kind
22:44
Speaker 1: of at that linebacker level. Uh, some teams are using
22:48
Speaker 1: what they call the Odds stack, where it's a three
22:50
Speaker 1: man front to linebacker six dbs on the field, and
22:53
Speaker 1: those six d b s may include three safeties to
22:56
Speaker 1: go with three corners, so you can do a bunch
22:58
Speaker 1: of different things. When they talk about multiplicity is taking
23:02
Speaker 1: what you have in the stable of your linebackers, your dbs,
23:06
Speaker 1: and your d line and saying what's the most effective
23:09
Speaker 1: unit that we can put on the field in the situation.
23:12
Speaker 1: And that a lot of it was kind of being
23:15
Speaker 1: determined now in terms of looking at the tape and
23:17
Speaker 1: trying to get a projection on what they can play where.
23:20
Speaker 1: Really we'll see those packages come together once they started
23:24
Speaker 1: working on the grass and examining, Okay, this player does
23:28
Speaker 1: have these skills. Yeah, we might be able to build
23:30
Speaker 1: out some unique sub packages to put all of these
23:33
Speaker 1: guys on the field so we can attack. I remember
23:35
Speaker 1: last year, I think it was because of injury to Herndon,
23:38
Speaker 1: but Rudy Ford was playing some nickel right, came down
23:41
Speaker 1: from safety. But I think that was because of personnel
23:43
Speaker 1: and for a time, for an extended period of time
23:47
Speaker 1: that was there. Uh, that was their best defense. That's
23:50
Speaker 1: where they went in and they beat Buffalo like they did. Um, Yeah,
23:55
Speaker 1: they really didn't have a great overall. They didn't have
24:00
Speaker 1: one week said okay, well that's their best. They're gonna
24:01
Speaker 1: throw it out because they had issues throughout. That was
24:05
Speaker 1: done because at some point they needed to get faster
24:08
Speaker 1: at that nickel spot, and and Ford gave him speed
24:11
Speaker 1: that they didn't have anywhere else. It's not ideal to
24:15
Speaker 1: have that. He's had a great color corner necessarily, but
24:18
Speaker 1: he gave them an element they needed. And as a
24:21
Speaker 1: buck he was talking about, they looked at it and said, okay,
24:24
Speaker 1: this is our personnel. Yeah, so and and and that's
24:26
Speaker 1: the that's the big part of like UM defense. As
24:29
Speaker 1: a coordinator, you have to have enough flexibility in your
24:33
Speaker 1: scheme to be able to account for some of the
24:34
Speaker 1: deficiencies that you have. And so you talk about Rudy
24:38
Speaker 1: Ford not being a great cover corner, but what I
24:40
Speaker 1: mean He's like, Hey, let's put them on the field
24:41
Speaker 1: because we need his speed, athleticism and tackling. He can't
24:45
Speaker 1: necessarily cover the man, so maybe we can zone blitz them.
24:48
Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna play We're gonna bring pressure with
24:51
Speaker 1: five maybe six, but we're gonna play zone behind it
24:54
Speaker 1: as opposed to man demand what people want. Now, if
24:58
Speaker 1: you go back and look at the the Rams and
25:00
Speaker 1: the fascination that people had with Brandon Stably when he
25:03
Speaker 1: was with the Rams, and that with the Chargers. You're
25:05
Speaker 1: seeing more teams played with these lighter defenses, these hybrid safeties,
25:10
Speaker 1: a bunch of nickels. They're playing off in space and
25:14
Speaker 1: they are maybe conceding rushing yards because they want to
25:17
Speaker 1: have more athletes on the field to defend the past.
25:20
Speaker 1: That's kind of the way of the world. That's where
25:21
Speaker 1: we're at right now. And so until the league comes
25:24
Speaker 1: full circle and people start running the football right at you,
25:27
Speaker 1: you can get away with some of those unique smallest
25:30
Speaker 1: fast line lineup um to kind of offset some of
25:34
Speaker 1: the space that you you can't give up when you're
25:36
Speaker 1: playing covered. Didn't matter anyway, j You're not allowed to
25:40
Speaker 1: stop anybody on defense. Apparently, you know everybody gets a
25:43
Speaker 1: chance now, right, everybody gets a trophy. I mean, everybody
25:47
Speaker 1: gets the ball back. And I got a rule for overtime.
25:52
Speaker 1: Doesn't score on his first possession, give another chance? How
25:55
Speaker 1: about that? Why even have overtime? Like why not just
25:58
Speaker 1: let the game? And then the talk like what it
26:00
Speaker 1: is like soccer does that It doesn't really it doesn't
26:04
Speaker 1: really matter until we get into the postseason. Anyway, half
26:07
Speaker 1: a win, half a loss, UH percentage points. This is
26:10
Speaker 1: the Huddle Up Podcast. The Jaguars today signed arden Key
26:14
Speaker 1: a one year deal, reportedly seven million dollars. Third round
26:18
Speaker 1: picked by the Raiders out of l s U. He
26:20
Speaker 1: was the forty niners last year and had six and
26:22
Speaker 1: a half sacks a season ago. Bucky, what you do
26:25
Speaker 1: for you inside pass rusher? Unique? Unique player? Now, I
26:30
Speaker 1: will say you have to have a plan for how
26:33
Speaker 1: you're going to utilize him because he's not your every
26:35
Speaker 1: down defensive tackle. He is an up to field pass
26:39
Speaker 1: rushing presence on the inside that you must have. Elite
26:43
Speaker 1: defenses now have at least two pass rushers and ideally three,
26:46
Speaker 1: two on the edges, one on the inside. He gives
26:49
Speaker 1: people problems with this quickness and length on the inside.
26:52
Speaker 1: That said, you don't want him out there all the
26:55
Speaker 1: time because you don't want them to run right at him.
26:57
Speaker 1: But he's look, he's a good player. Um, A lot
27:00
Speaker 1: of it will be on Brentson Buckner, the d line coach,
27:03
Speaker 1: the kind of keep him going and keep building upon
27:07
Speaker 1: some of the things that he started the show during
27:09
Speaker 1: his time in San Francisco. He was with him in
27:13
Speaker 1: Vegas too. I think right Buckner a couple of years ago,
27:17
Speaker 1: did he compare it all the smooth buck or not?
27:20
Speaker 1: Really different kind of player. He's a ardent key was.
27:25
Speaker 1: He was really a light defensive end when he was
27:28
Speaker 1: coming out of L s U. You know, And he
27:30
Speaker 1: flashed at L s U early in his career. The
27:34
Speaker 1: freshman sophomore year he had a big year. Final season
27:36
Speaker 1: didn't have as much and so there was some he
27:38
Speaker 1: didn't really know what he was going to do that
27:40
Speaker 1: kind of hurt his stock. But he certainly has um
27:43
Speaker 1: tremendous town premier talent. Uh. He's just in a unique
27:47
Speaker 1: frame because he's he's a little slender um and stature
27:51
Speaker 1: to be a traditional defensive tackle, but his athleticism and
27:56
Speaker 1: quickness gives guards problems on the inside if can get
28:00
Speaker 1: into past or situations able to kind of put him
28:02
Speaker 1: in there in great in great chaos as a Tasmanian deuvil.
28:06
Speaker 1: We can't wrap this up without asking Bucky about his
28:08
Speaker 1: mock Yeah, well that was next time on the agenda here.
28:12
Speaker 1: Of course, the latest Bucky Brooks mock draft came out
28:14
Speaker 1: before the Ardent Key signing Aiden Hutchinson still for the
28:18
Speaker 1: Jags at the number one for you, a Traypon Walker
28:21
Speaker 1: out of George has made his way up to some
28:23
Speaker 1: other mock draft number one picks. Um does the is
28:27
Speaker 1: the Key signing change any of that stuff for you?
28:30
Speaker 1: Is it a different position? Is it still aiding all
28:33
Speaker 1: the way for you? Is it a tackle or do
28:35
Speaker 1: we you know this is a day ago. I guess
28:37
Speaker 1: when this officially came out. Yeah, now you look. I hate,
28:42
Speaker 1: I hate to pour back the curtain on the mock drafting,
28:44
Speaker 1: but um, the the mock draft that you guys are referencing,
28:51
Speaker 1: that was kind of done to create conversation because I
28:53
Speaker 1: didn't put any quarterbacks in the first round, so by
28:56
Speaker 1: design has a great conversation so when we had our
28:59
Speaker 1: TV show, I could talk about the quarterbacks and quarterback
29:01
Speaker 1: play or whatever. So that was the thinking that said
29:04
Speaker 1: at the top of the board with the Jacks. It's
29:06
Speaker 1: interesting because in my mind, Art and Key the gainst
29:11
Speaker 1: the necessity of the Jacks having to take a trade
29:13
Speaker 1: on Walker. All right. The fascination with Trayvon Walker is
29:16
Speaker 1: he's such an explosive and unique athlete that you could
29:19
Speaker 1: drop him inside and create problems with his movement skills,
29:23
Speaker 1: his explosiveness. When that is you have Art and Key
29:27
Speaker 1: to me, it kind of allows you to settle in
29:29
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, now we can go and get the
29:31
Speaker 1: outside of Russian Aidan Hutchinson. We have that NASCAR package
29:35
Speaker 1: that everyone wants where I got Josh Allen. I have
29:39
Speaker 1: Art and Key on the inside, Hutchinson off the edge,
29:42
Speaker 1: maybe one other player, and they said, now we can
29:44
Speaker 1: go hunt. We can get in those track stances and
29:47
Speaker 1: go get it. I think Art and Key probably continues
29:50
Speaker 1: to sprinkle the bread crumbs that Aidan Hutchinson might be
29:54
Speaker 1: the likely pick for the Jaguars at the top. I'm
29:57
Speaker 1: fascinated by this. Bucky, Um, give me the names of
30:02
Speaker 1: the players you could still potentially see being number one.
30:06
Speaker 1: How long is the list? I would say four to
30:12
Speaker 1: two pass rushers and two offensive tackles. I would say
30:17
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson, Trayvon Walker, uh ikey Akwanu and Evenue. Now
30:26
Speaker 1: that's a long list for being a month out. Is
30:29
Speaker 1: it not? That feel? I mean that feels I'm not
30:32
Speaker 1: saying anything against the jag but that speaks to this draft,
30:36
Speaker 1: doesn't it? Um No. I think for the Jacks, I
30:39
Speaker 1: think it's the uniqueness of their situation where you're trying
30:44
Speaker 1: to figure out, if you're the Jacks, what do you
30:46
Speaker 1: want to place your priority on right John and I
30:49
Speaker 1: talked about I can't remember we've ben talked about it
30:51
Speaker 1: in the podcast where we talked about we'll be able
30:53
Speaker 1: to read the t leaves based on what happens with
30:55
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson. Well, in listening to Doug Peterson talked about
30:58
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson. He's there, so he's locked in and he's
31:02
Speaker 1: gonna be there as your left tackle. Now the conversation
31:05
Speaker 1: goes to right tackle, how do you feel about right
31:07
Speaker 1: town And then you heard him wax poetic about Taylor
31:11
Speaker 1: and walk a little and so then you're like, well,
31:14
Speaker 1: it kind of seems like he feels good about the
31:16
Speaker 1: offensive line. So that takes you to the D line
31:19
Speaker 1: and hey, how do we want to become an explosive
31:22
Speaker 1: defense at the point of attack? We want a traditional
31:24
Speaker 1: he us have to edge rushers to go and compliment
31:27
Speaker 1: one another, or do we want to bring in kind
31:29
Speaker 1: of like an energize of Bunny that can play on
31:31
Speaker 1: the inside. When that that you signed Art and Key
31:33
Speaker 1: and even though it's one year. It kind of guys
31:37
Speaker 1: kind of tipped their hands. So now I'm like, okay,
31:38
Speaker 1: well they wanted to outside that. So I just think
31:40
Speaker 1: it's the conversations and as they continue to evolve as
31:44
Speaker 1: a team, it'll get begin to like point to us
31:47
Speaker 1: where it's gonna be a blinking light like okay, this guys,
31:49
Speaker 1: let me go. I apologize, Bucky. I haven't seen the
31:52
Speaker 1: mock draft yet. You don't need, no need, no need?
31:57
Speaker 1: Well I can, I can. I can give you the
31:58
Speaker 1: top the top three wall pass rush. So it was
32:01
Speaker 1: eight Hutchinson going, Trayvon Walking going to Detroit, Cavan, Tippo
32:05
Speaker 1: Though going to Houston, and in Saults Gardner going to
32:10
Speaker 1: the New York jests at I assume you didn't do
32:12
Speaker 1: a second round. If you were doing a second round,
32:16
Speaker 1: who's thirty three if you get the other two? So
32:18
Speaker 1: it should be an easy pick, right, Uh, could be
32:21
Speaker 1: an easy pick where like you know, I didn't take
32:24
Speaker 1: a quarterback there, so that changes. I think here's the thing.
32:27
Speaker 1: One of those wide receivers will be available for the
32:30
Speaker 1: jagu and what the Jaguars have to determine do they
32:33
Speaker 1: want to kid like a Christian Watson from North Dakota State,
32:37
Speaker 1: a six five pound speed stor um who's a vertical
32:42
Speaker 1: threat much like the guy that left in d J chart.
32:45
Speaker 1: Or do they want um kind of a road and
32:48
Speaker 1: runner type and sky more that sky with two wise
32:52
Speaker 1: um that can catch balls and make plays and do
32:55
Speaker 1: maybe some Tyree killer ish type stuff. You know, the
33:00
Speaker 1: those guys will be a vert Then we talked earlier
33:02
Speaker 1: about a is Tyler Linden bamb going to be in
33:05
Speaker 1: the mix? And do guys want to move up with
33:08
Speaker 1: the Jags and the Jaguars ball out because now they're
33:10
Speaker 1: looking for quarterbacks that may fall out like a dozen
33:13
Speaker 1: Ritter or something like that. So it's gonna be a
33:16
Speaker 1: ProMED spot for the Jaguars to either good a good
33:18
Speaker 1: player or to auction it off and get the opportunity
33:22
Speaker 1: to have Morget players come to Yes. I think it's
33:24
Speaker 1: fascinating JP. I think the top of the draft is
33:27
Speaker 1: fascinating because it it just feels like defensive impact is
33:34
Speaker 1: is the best thing they can get there with what
33:38
Speaker 1: they have in the offensive line. And in the top
33:40
Speaker 1: of the second if it's pass rusher orly not a
33:43
Speaker 1: pass rusher, but penetrating defensive player at number one. That
33:47
Speaker 1: thing with if Linder bombs there, is it offensive line
33:51
Speaker 1: or wide receiver at number two or the not number
33:55
Speaker 1: two but number thirty three, Because boy, you could make
33:58
Speaker 1: an argument that they would in a fit from either direction. Yeah,
34:02
Speaker 1: I mean that you would feel really great about the
34:04
Speaker 1: next five years with either of those guys. And then
34:07
Speaker 1: if you don't go that route, all of a sudden
34:09
Speaker 1: you're looking at those spots and saying, boy, we still
34:11
Speaker 1: gotta we still need something there. So but that's yeah,
34:15
Speaker 1: So that's the way. Yeah, So here's here's here's what
34:18
Speaker 1: happens in those situations. John. It's almost like, um, okay,
34:23
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give both of you guys a little grocery
34:25
Speaker 1: money and I'm gonnappy to go to the grocery store
34:27
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonnatally he's gonna steal mine. Now I'm
34:30
Speaker 1: gonna evaluate your packages. Right, So what you would like
34:33
Speaker 1: to do is you want to go through it and say,
34:36
Speaker 1: at the end of day two, what I feel better
34:41
Speaker 1: about having Aiden Hutchison and Tyler Lendenbaum or Aiden Hutchison
34:47
Speaker 1: and Sky Moore would I'd rather have and a player?
34:53
Speaker 1: So you want to compare what the total hall is
34:56
Speaker 1: and then you want to do that comparison based upon
34:59
Speaker 1: the up to the draft. And so we talked about
35:02
Speaker 1: Linden bomb at center. Well, maybe we like Cam Jergens
35:05
Speaker 1: who played at Nebraska. It was athletic and one of
35:08
Speaker 1: the fastest guys on the line. Is there a significant
35:11
Speaker 1: drop off in their play, so they let's go get
35:14
Speaker 1: the better receiver and come back and get one of
35:16
Speaker 1: the center. And so you're doing this compare and contract
35:19
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where the lines of demarcation are
35:22
Speaker 1: between the a's and the bees, and the bees and
35:24
Speaker 1: the seas and you want to see if you're can
35:27
Speaker 1: assemble and a chore as many a's and bees as
35:30
Speaker 1: possible so you don't necessarily have to shop at the
35:33
Speaker 1: sea line. You have it. That's how the sausage is made.
35:36
Speaker 1: And we'll see what the jaguar is having. Story. It
35:39
Speaker 1: is pro day season still and you'll get a good
35:41
Speaker 1: look at Evan Neil today Alabama's Pro Day coming up
35:44
Speaker 1: at one o'clock eastern buck here you and there's two
35:46
Speaker 1: different networks covering the thing. For goodness, sax yeah, r
35:49
Speaker 1: TR yeah. Role to role isn't that what I'll say, JP,
35:52
Speaker 1: that's correct, something like this, Yeah, yeah, Now Evan Neil
35:56
Speaker 1: is one because he hasn't worked He hasn't worked out,
35:58
Speaker 1: so people want to see now, um, there is a
36:02
Speaker 1: conversation where people believe Ikey Kwanu is super special because
36:07
Speaker 1: of the athleticism and nastiness and those things. One of
36:09
Speaker 1: the reasons why I talked about him being in the conversation, Hey,
36:13
Speaker 1: we can talk about as guard. Is he at tackle
36:16
Speaker 1: easy disks? What he is is a is an attitude change.
36:19
Speaker 1: And so what you want to see with Evan Neil
36:22
Speaker 1: is he's a little more technical. Is he as athletic
36:27
Speaker 1: as Ikey Kwanu? You're making those comparing can trash um
36:32
Speaker 1: decisions to figure out how the draft is. So his
36:35
Speaker 1: his pro day is big because you get a chance
36:38
Speaker 1: to try and project out which one of those guys
36:41
Speaker 1: are probably more ready now, but which one is gonna
36:44
Speaker 1: be the guy that we talked about being a star
36:46
Speaker 1: in three, four or five years. Well, there you have it,
36:49
Speaker 1: Pro day season coming up? What you got any more?
36:51
Speaker 1: The rest of the week, Like what's happening, Bucky? The
36:53
Speaker 1: rest of your week coming up? In closing, Okay, So
36:55
Speaker 1: we're gearing up for a path to the draft on
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Speaker 1: NFL Network kicks off one day. So it's a daily
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Speaker 1: deal where we'll look at all the top prospects and
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Speaker 1: all that stuff, start matching teams and players and comparing
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Speaker 1: lists and that stuff, and I mean usual suspects, Like
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Speaker 1: then you know, more mock drafts, more top five lists,
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Speaker 1: more kind of narrowing it down and kind of wiling
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Speaker 1: away until I get a chance to come out of
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville see what's going on draft week, and we'll look
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Speaker 1: forward to the seven round Bucky Brooks mock that's gonna
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Speaker 1: come soon. Right, you're gonna do with no quarterbacks, no
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Speaker 1: past rush, Right, we want we want to do. We
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Speaker 1: wanna do a seven round of Dad Desk for everybody.
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Speaker 1: But you know, like yeah, like it's so the conversation starters, right,
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Speaker 1: it's so boring to just put the same stuff everybody.
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Speaker 1: And because guess what, once someone trades like two days
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Speaker 1: before the draft, it's gonna message mock draft anyway. So right,
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Speaker 1: they're all wrong anyway, why not have it wrong and fun? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's wrong and fun. If you really want to know
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Speaker 1: what I think about players, like always say, like a
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Speaker 1: top five list and if I'm ranking them one to
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Speaker 1: fifty or whatever like, that's how I really feel about him.
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Speaker 1: Mock drafts are kind of fun scenarios where I get
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Speaker 1: to play Tram Balky four Day and stuff like that.
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Speaker 1: That's all that is, and JP, Bucky and I will
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Speaker 1: be wrapping up in the next seven days or so.
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Speaker 1: We'll be wrapping up our look at the Jaguars roster
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Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot Com and after that we'll have Bucky
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Speaker 1: Brooks's perspective on the Jaguars draft leading up to the draft.
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Speaker 1: That's all coming up. That'll be Uh. I'm putting Bucky
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Speaker 1: to work. Yes, that's a good thing, um, and we
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Speaker 1: love having him here as well at all kidding side.
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Speaker 1: As good as he is in this format for us,
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Speaker 1: the insight that he gives into different positions, I really enjoyed.
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Speaker 1: So that's the written content on Jaguars Hopmoms look forward
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Speaker 1: to that coming up. Bucky, have a great week. We'll
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Speaker 1: talk to you again next week. John Osan senior writer
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Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com and I'm J. P. Shadrick. We'll catch
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Speaker 1: you next time on the Huddle Up Podcast.