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The Joy Of Discovering God · The Hearing God Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Hearing God Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm Anthony Moore.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm Dan Lamus.
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  SPEAKER_00: For over a decade, Anthony and I have been diving deep into weekly conversations about the prophetic, the mystical, and the matters of the heart.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we invite you into these weekly conversations.
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  SPEAKER_03: We hope you feel like an honored guest at our table.
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  SPEAKER_00: So pull up a chair, settle in, and let's get started.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hello?
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  SPEAKER_00: Here we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here we indeed are.
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  SPEAKER_03: Here we are, Dan.
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  SPEAKER_03: We are here back with uh what we counted was this is the 23rd episode of this season.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: We did 20 last season.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is our 43rd.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh that's pretty cool.
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  SPEAKER_03: Podcast episode.
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  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, this is uh um this has been fun.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's fun.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh this is you know what?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, do you think you will ever go back and listen, binge listen the first season?
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  SPEAKER_00: Zero, zero chance.
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  SPEAKER_03: I I you know although if you haven't heard them, I'm sure we've said plenty of good things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's always fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've said it before, it's fun to to uh have somebody discover that yeah, we've got a podcast and they find it intriguing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's fun to have people come and say, Yeah, I've I've listened through all the episodes, and I'm like, Oh, that is so cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, thank you, God.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, how fun it is to be part of something that's intriguing people and you know, uh hopefully encouraging people along in their trek with God and they're understanding their story in light of what God's up to.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh it's awesome, man.
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  SPEAKER_03: I love um just even this has become just a fun spot.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like uh, you know, it I think you know, when we started, we set out to try to do this, uh we set out with just with the idea that we would sort of like make this adjustment from having early morning coffee to this format.
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  SPEAKER_03: And again, there's probably been a little bit of adjustment along the way, it's probably made some tweaks, and but I think I really like where we've ended up uh with like the kind of topics there's a little more intention behind it, but I feel like we cover some really cool uh territory.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's really fun to just open open it up to whoever would would love to kind of come and sit at the table and be part of the conversation.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh, I don't know, just to know that there's freedom, there's freedom in the family of God to get stuff out on the table, take it apart, put it back together, share experience, learn from each other, tell each other's, uh, share stories with each other of learning to hear God's voice and how that works, what doesn't seem to work, and all that kind of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I also want to say that is it was fun last night to have our first renewal night here at uh the church where we serve here at King's Church.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's fun to have uh fun to have our first renewal night of the season, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of the season, yeah, not ever for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah but of the fall season.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and just to the joy of what happens when you you pull you know a good critical mass of the church family together to pray, to worship, yeah, just kind of roll up our sleeves and and come together in prayer.
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  SPEAKER_00: We did some intercession and in fact it was it was my uh my blessing to be able to lead the the intercession part, like the prayer part of renewal night last night.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was just a really fun moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: We had a beautiful time of of worship together.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as I stepped into the moment, I just I just felt to encourage everybody to just stay where they were, just be quiet before God, and just just to say to him, Speak, Lord, your servant is listening.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was just so so cool to just wait and just be quiet together for a couple of minutes there and just be aware that everybody in that room has been designed to be on mission with God.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and we were just about ready to pray into the programs of the fall and pray for God's anointing and all kinds of things over those ministries, but just the awareness of man, we're all designed to be on mission with God, and he takes such joy in plugging us in, you know?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just uh just kind of a fun thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think that's uh just uh just what you're might be scratching the surface of a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think the that not only can he plug us in, he wants to plug us in to his mission, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: It is it really is a a a position of like we've been invited into the mission of God and and obviously co-missioned in that, but like there is a yes, there's a yes that's required on our part in our level of partnership with what the mission of God is on the earth and also in our in our cities, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: In our towns and where we're where we live.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh and so just to say that like yeah, he's looking for, he's looking, you know, uh what's the what's the it's it uh I'm gonna say second chronicles, uh, where the prophet comes and says, you know, for the eyes of the Lord roam to and fro throughout the earth that he may uh strongly support those whose hearts are truly his.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So he's looking for people who have said yes, yeah, that have given their heart over and to the it complete surrender to God.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the ones that do, and I would say, and again, there's a there's lots of grace and space that the Lord has for that, but the ones who have given their yes to God can expect the strong support of the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so anyway, just uh just throwing that that out, like if you're feeling uh if you're feeling sidelined today because of you know how things have gone, maybe it's been your fault, maybe it's not been your fault.
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  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't really matter when it comes to the Lord, but if you're feeling a little sidelined today, uh that's a lie.
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  SPEAKER_03: God's looking to plug you in.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like there is a role for you.
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  SPEAKER_03: It may not be the same role as last season, but there is something uh aligned with his mission and his heart uh moving forward.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so just yeah, just throwing that out there.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh speaking of uh the mission of God, um, I'll just say, like, how's it going, Anthony?
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_03: Uh well, let me tell you.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hey, hey, how's it going, Anthony?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, thanks, thanks for it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thanks for the question.
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  SPEAKER_03: No problem.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's really been on my mind.
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  SPEAKER_03: One of the cool things I got to do last night is uh at least once a year, uh, as part of you know, the ministry training program that we have here, we do six or seven weeks on prophetic ministry.
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  SPEAKER_03: And what I got to do last night was with about, I'm gonna say, 40 uh 45 or 46 students, we got to walk through cracking prophetic ministry open.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, obviously that's a that's a catalyst for why we do this podcast.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, you you and I have both been uh digging and diving into uh prophetic ministry in various forms, uh probably more closely, you know, for the last really 14 or so years.
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  SPEAKER_00: Which is pretty awesome, which is pretty, which is pretty awesome.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I got to, you know, number one, tell my story about, you know, how I lived my life up until that sort of that pivotal moment of hearing uh my first prophetic word receiving my first prophetic word and how that was such a that was such a a game changer.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like it was like there was the before the prophetic word and then after the prophetic word, and just where that how marking that was, and just got an again to share my story about like how that marked, and then begin to begin to unpack biblically that okay, so God, this is this is how God speaks, like very much so, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, and yes, of course, we know he speaks through scripture, he, but he also speaks through dreams, yes, and he also speaks through prophecy, the gift of prophecy, and how because uh you and I have the Holy Spirit, uh, and anyone who's given their life to Christ is a temple of the Holy Spirit.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, and so because we have the Holy Spirit within us, that that has implications to it, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: One is that we can actually hear him talk to us, yes, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: He can speak to our hearts, he can speak to our minds, he can speak to and through us.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so just to be able to unpack that was kind of like I think I was rem reminded again in a fresh way, like the moment of discovery.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because they're you know, and again, in those in those particular classes, you know, I tell my story, especially in that, you know, the first one, I explain my story, I explain sort of the intro level scriptural basis for why this is.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then we get into you know more and more as the weeks go on, but just in that context, I was just reminded again, like there's uh people who are young in age, and that there were some uh recent, like there's part of our True North program.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's some of those students, so they're just they're they're just fresh out of high school.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then there were some people who are new believers.
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  SPEAKER_03: There are some people who have only been journeying with the Lord for, you know, uh maybe not even the last year.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it might be even, we might be even months.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and then there are people who are have been walking with the Lord for plenty of time, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and they may have, you know, coming from situations where there could have been abuse, or maybe even they came from a uh circumstance or situation where or a church where they didn't believe that the gifts of the spirit were actually for today, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Those kinds of things.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so, so in that room, there were all of these people that have come together, and and not even not even just in the room, but online as well, because half of our students are from around around the region.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but just the the the being in the room and just sharing my heart and then being being in a room where there's like fresh discovery, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Right, there's fresh risk.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hey, we've never done this before.
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  SPEAKER_03: This never we've never taken a risk like that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we being around those in that environment was very um, it just was like fresh.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like if it was like a breath of fresh air uh in terms of just like I I felt like I was just a it was a privilege to be in the room with those people doing that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did they actually do some activation activities?
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  SPEAKER_03: We do, we did we did some activations, and again, uh this is you didn't even let them have the first session to get off easy.
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  SPEAKER_03: Why would I why would I say no to a good time?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh in really like and then we've talked about this uh probably back a little bit in the earlier days, but just the simple, my the the the activation I love the most is that we split up into pairs and we simply quiet our hearts, we pray, we quiet our hearts, and we just ask the question of the Holy Spirit.
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  SPEAKER_03: Holy Spirit, what do you love about the person beside me?
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And just to see the just to just to experience the pleasure of God in that place as people took really simple risks, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And we know, you know, again, we've talked um about like this isn't about performance, this isn't about result.
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  SPEAKER_03: In we, you know, Hebrews 11 6, like without faith, it's impossible to please God, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: But uh, you know, but so so with faith or risk, you know, you you it is you please you please God by taking risks, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: By putting legs to your your faith and taking taking the risk.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so just to know, and again, not everybody was convinced of that.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was probably more me that was convinced of it than maybe some people were in it for the first time, but just to know that according to the word of God, that everyone who took a risk there pleased the heart of God, regardless if they heard anything or where regardless of whether that first step was like whether it was a hit or a miss.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like there was a just a sense of just the pleasure of God in that room.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, for those students, uh, you know, even in even the ones participating online, they were what they were with us in that uh that practice, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh they were with us in that.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I just I felt I felt it was just such a really, really good moment for me just to be reminded of like the the beauty of discovery.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you know, and again, like I I believe that the Lord is filled with plenty of discoveries, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: But it was just a treat to just to be able to remind it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm curious, was there anything that that was like immediate or somebody said to you after class that gave you a a view in on what their discovery was like?
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like was there were there different reactions to well I think I think there was there was a couple of reactions.
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  SPEAKER_03: One was really like I was really nervous coming into this class specifically, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but they felt completely disarmed and at ease and at peace with just sort of the way that the class went.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_03: And so just the the permission to ask questions, the permit and just the simple and and again, like my passion is helping is is to being is to help make the prophetic as accessible to people as possible.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like you know, I've said this before that the that the prophetic and prophetic ministry would exist in every local church context in a healthy way, right?
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_03: Right, and so and just to pop the bubble of performance, to be able to give grace and mercy to those who may have come from uh from an environment where it was misused or abused, and just to be able to call those things out to identify them and then establish that this like what you experience.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry you experienced what you experienced, but that's not that's not a healthy prophetic ministry.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so it's you know, a healthy prophetic ministry is empowering.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like you you're gonna feel loved by God because God is love, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Right, rather than shamed, like God's not interested in shaming anybody.
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  SPEAKER_03: We talked about, like, I think that's 1 Corinthians 14, verse 25, if I'm not mistaken, talking about when an unb if an unbeliever comes into a room or an environment where people are prophesying, yeah, and they're they're called to account and they're convicted, um, and the the secrets of their heart are revealed, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And how that's not sin, because God isn't interested in calling people's sin out and shaming them publicly because Jesus, Jesus didn't do that with the woman caught in adultery, right?
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_03: He was like, he was very much not interested in shaming her.
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  SPEAKER_03: He was interested in her, you know, changing her ways, but the shame piece, he was not interested in doing that.
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  SPEAKER_03: He didn't, he didn't come to condemn the world, right?
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: He came that by his, he came to give life, right?
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so just really like understanding that the secrets of the heart are um oh before before we go to the secrets of the heart, but just really connected to Romans 2, 4, right?
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's the kindness of God that leads to repentance.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so yeah, it's not the right the calling out in front of people of your junk, right?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_03: It's actually the it's actually through kindness, and God's gonna deal with you in a different way to to lead you to repent, right?
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_03: To look again, to identify, to, you know, to call uh even to call a sin a sin, but he's not gonna do it by by saying you did that thing and now everyone's gonna know about it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so, and I think that you know, the calling to calling to calling out of the secrets of the heart, which um, you know, I believe are like design, like why, why you were alive, like how why did God make you uh the dreams that he's put in your heart, calling those things out, yeah, uh, and uh and destiny, like what you were, what you were like where you're going and where's the like why you're alive, your identity, you know, the dreams that he's put in your heart, and then and then sort of the unfolding of that into your destiny.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can see where that would be really helpful to folks who've been around church world for perhaps even decades, yeah, who maybe for decades have thought right.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_03: The prophetic gift was for judgment and shaming, public shame.
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  SPEAKER_00: Look out, Unbeliever, if you come into our meeting, because we're gonna call we're gonna call you right out on the carpet and make sure everybody knows what you've been up to.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_03: What you've been up to.
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  SPEAKER_03: And just the just the just the beauty of and I think helping people understand that the like we live in the house of the running, hugging, kissing father.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like the the the father who wouldn't let the prodigal get a word out and edgewise and just wrap his arms around you know, the prodigal, uh, hug him, kiss him, yeah, put a robe on him, put a ring on him, and invite him back and throw a party that he's back in the house.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like this is the house that we live in.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is the this is really good, whose house we belong to.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And really just and again, I and I feel like gosh, I feel like I need to be reminded of that.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, and we've been at this for you know, for a very long time.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: And I still need to be reminded of this is the house that we belong to.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we belong to the house of the running, hugging, kissing father.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_03: And uh, and it's really yeah, yeah.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: Just to oh, I don't know, you just it it that's intriguing.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: That that's so true.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I it it's so true, and it's an interesting mix to be given any kind of leadership in the house of the Lord.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard to graduate into leadership and grow into leadership and and uh not lose the affectionate running, hugging, kissing father.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because you think, well now I gotta get serious because now I'm giving responsibility.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so training people in the prophetic can be it can be a bit of a dance because you want people to keep the joy in it.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: You don't want you don't want people to get like all serious about it and and get so focused on the technique of it, yeah, that they lose the joy of hey, you're getting to you're getting to spread the character of the hugging, right?
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: Running his hissing, hissing, kissing, kissing father, yeah, father, yeah.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I I think there's this there's something in there where is like we as people who are leaning in and and desiring to hear the voice of God can never uh lose sight of the heart of God, right?
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_03: It is it is that and so like and oftentimes, you know, you know, back to saying it's not to say that God will never identify sin.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and I would say and I would say even through even through prophetic means, but you know, we talk about how the the sort of the um the like it's part of the revelation that God may show you, but there's the there's the what meaning the information that God talks to you about, but then there's the how meaning the way in which that prophetic word is delivered, like it's the spirit in which you are operating.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_03: And so even if the inform and then and this is totally like God's can teach and is teaching by trusting us a little bit with some information and then seeing what we do with it, right?
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: Seeing how we handle that, yes, right?
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_03: And again, his and you know, uh I guess what I'm trying to get at is that like God may show something to you and what you do with that could actually still become like determine how prophetic that prophet prophetic that ministry writing information from God, yeah, that's not the end of the actual handling it.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: That's not the end of the actual like stewarding of the prophetic moment or the prophetic gift, right?
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's really like the good God might be sharing some information with you saying, uh I anyway and we could go off on that.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_03: That might be a thing of like, because if we if we go off in a judgmental way or a public shaming way or those kinds of things, that for sure takes that information and abuses the prophetic gift.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: But if we as people who carry the heart of God hear that information and also have the posture Of the running, hugging, kissing father.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_03: Then that moment and that information and that that prophetic gift suddenly becomes, and then the power of that prophetic gift is released in their life to call them up and out of maybe something that they've been struggling with.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_03: And so this is that that's the, you know, again, back to the heart of God.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_03: The heart of God has to be on display.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think, you know, I got a little bit uh excited last night because I felt like I was just back there at the beginning.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_03: Even for my own journey.
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  SPEAKER_03: It felt like like such a uh, you know, a journey of remembering, you know, oh, that's what it was like at the end of the freshness, the the newness, the discovery of, oh God, you're way better than I think you are.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: And you really are, you really are loving.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: You really do love me and see me and know me.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_03: And so that's just the, you know, I think that was the fun, that was the fun part of, you know, what I experienced last night.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_03: And in that's the joy of, you know, I guess that's a um, what would I would say?
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: I would say that's a treasure for me.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_03: Of the a privilege that I get to be a part of, and I just an honor that God's opened the door for me to help people in that way.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_03: And so I just say that's, you know, in any and every way, like, and and there's plenty more where that, where that, where that is, and plenty more opportunities.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just not saying just that's one of the ones for me that I I feel like I'm most grateful at.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm really excited for I'm really excited for the the weeks ahead because we're gonna dig further into scripture.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna dig further into taking risks.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, so anyway, yeah, it's gonna be fun.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's gonna be fun, but yeah.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I like it, I love the um, I love the focus on equipping the people of God for works of service.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like the excitement I'm hearing from you is that more and more people are going to be activated in serving God's kingdom here and now.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because they've got a better understanding, they've got their hands in the dirt a little bit as far as practicing the prophetic, learning what it might feel like for them.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's that's beautiful.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so a couple of things I want to just say to anybody who uh you know is intrigued as you listen along, I think Anthony would echo this.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like, like it's never too late to jump in and in and intentionally learn how to grow in the prophetic.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's not something you need to be embarrassed that you've never invested in that or you've never intentionally said, God, okay, what would it look like for me to practice the prophetic in my life?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh to be invited into that, just to say there there's like zero shame in saying, you know, I've never intentionally done that.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like anytime is a time to good time to jump in and learn and learn.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I just don't want to encourage anybody, don't, don't be embarrassed that maybe you've never thought of the prophetic in this way, that God wants to actually communicate through you who he is, uh, what he wants to say to people, something that might speak into their why they were made, like those things that he was mentioned, their design, their destiny and dreams.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, like God really loves, well, this is his mode.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: This is the way he operates.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: He does work through humanity.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: He works through people.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: That was his design, is his design.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I am kind of curious um if there's anybody who that discovery part of it was people wrestling with humility and pride.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like, um, like, is it uh is it am I too over the top to think that God would speak to and through me?
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_03: But is there are there people who kind of well I would say we didn't really we didn't we actually didn't cover the humility piece, which I I think I normally do, but I don't think I had enough time to get to that piece.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: But but that for sure is a is something that um the is that people wrestle with is that and we've talked about this too, like the the humility on the disqualification side.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: Right, everybody knows what it's like to be puffed up and arrogant, right?
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_03: But the the pride, the pride piece where it comes in the disqualification part is that we think we know better than God.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_03: We actually we actually trust our own judgment in in that, right?
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_03: We actually, you know, according to what we think, God's gonna speak to us according to the paradigm that we built.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_03: As opposed to the word of God, right?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: Right, as opposed to his voice, as opposed to his his moving in our lives.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_03: And so just to understand that, like very much so, that is that we're all, we are all, and I think I I say this with um, and I say this with certainty, uh, that we are all invited into this gift.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_03: And right, and it's a simple, I and again, like if you don't take my word for it, take Paul's word for it.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_03: First Corinthians 14 1 says, pursue love, eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially that you prophesy.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like just that's it right there.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't you don't need more than that, right?
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_03: If you want, if you're you know, you're like, well, find give me the scripture verse, 1 Corinthians 14 1, pursue love, okay.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_03: Eagerly desire spiritual gifts.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_03: Especially that you prophesy.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: And then Paul expands for the you know, for the better part of First Corinthians 14 of what that what that can look like.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_03: And one of the things, one of the things I wanted to mention about like for any, and I don't know where, you know, anyone listening to this, whether where you are in the journey, um, but I was I was talking with someone today, you know, about and this is just came up, and I felt to encourage um this individual I was talking with about, you know, the journey of hearing God's uh God's voice in their life and even specifically through dreams, um, is that journey that we're on, right?
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's not something to be mastered, it's relationship, right?
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: But the journey that we go on through the course of our life can be either a journey of fear or it can be a journey of joy.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, right.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_03: Meaning, meaning like uh uh out of sort of a zeal to hear God, right?
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, you know, it it can it can take on the appearance of like I gotta I gotta know every you know, I gotta I gotta dig into the meaning of this.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_03: And if I don't find out the meaning of this, something bad will happen, or I'm or God's gonna be disappointed in me.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_03: If I don't, you know, if I have a dream or if someone gives me a word and I'm I'm not, I don't see, I don't understand the full application of it.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_03: I might not handle it right or right.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_03: And the fear comes like there's the there's an opportunity, I think, where the enemy tries sometimes to get in, where he's it's it's like the the he can try to get us to have an incorrect view of God as a good father.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_03: And if we do that, then we're then we like even out of zeal of just God, I don't wanna, I don't want to screw up, right?
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm going to dig and dig and dig, and I'm gonna, you know, and we can work ourselves into a bit of a uh a frantic whatever, like I I can't believe I the we can work ourselves into a tizzy, whatever.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_03: Oh a tizzy, yes, but we can work ourselves into a tizzy by just yeah, we can get ourselves all twisted.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: I'm there, yeah.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_03: But we can we can tie ourselves in knots uh just out of pure zeal.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't I honestly nail this right, and I'm all for and I'm all for zeal, I'm all for passion, I'm all for hunger, right?
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_03: But bearing in mind that this journey, if but if, but if how I'm you know, how I'm following God or how I'm trying to hear his voice is producing as is producing fear in my life.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_03: Something's off.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_03: And again, I'm not like I'm not immune to this, right?
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think anybody is right.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_03: Because anyone who cares is gonna really it's gonna matter to them right how we hear God.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_03: And like, but but I think the the the other side of that coin, if it is a coin, but the other side of the coin is the journey of joy, right?
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_03: Where where it's like, okay, God spoke to me and he either gave me a dream or he gave me a word, or uh, I was reading scripture and the scripture came alive and it it spoke to my current situation.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_03: But I have yet to fully unpack, like I still haven't found figured out exactly how this applies to my life, right?
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: The journey of joy in view of the goodness of God says, okay, I'm gonna study and I'm gonna leave this before the Lord, but I'm gonna trust that He's He loves me, He knows, He knows my heart, He's gonna lead me, uh, He's gonna be faithful to keep talking to me, right?
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_03: Right, because I'm like, okay, I God, I can't understand.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_03: He knows, He knows, He knows what my limitations are, right?
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: And He's if He's not giving you things beyond your comprehension, then you're He's not leading you somewhere, like He's not causing you to stretch and grow, right, right?
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like Do you know what I'm saying?
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like how you grow that's you you by by stretching and growing and He's giving you things that are unfamiliar that are an invitation to a conversation, right?
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_03: But it is a journey, it's meant to be a journey of joy.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, right, like and I was I was uh saying in this conversation, like like take the book of Judges and take the story of Gideon.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: Gosh, how many how many signs did Gideon need before God convinced him that you know he was the guy to lead Israel against the you know to overcome the Midianites?
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_03: And in this is the this is the posture I think that we I need to be reminded of that following God, hearing God, uh, hearing the voice of God and having him speak to and through me is a journey of it's meant to be a journey of joy.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: Wow if Amen.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like we're following a savior and a shepherd who has literally said to us, yeah, if you have faith, nothing will be impossible for you.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, absolutely.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: How many more decades am I gonna live on this earth in this state?
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, but I'll take all of them to keep discovering more of that.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: I I am not at a place in my life right now where my my performance looks like no, nothing's impossible for that lamest guy.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm still growing in that, right?
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like, but this is what he has said to me and to you, to all of us.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so that God right there is gonna keep stretching us, yeah, because he wants us to he love he wants us to walk in a way where nothing literally isn't possible for us.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and he's not frustrated with us that we still need to grow in that.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he loves it, he's joy, he's joyful over the process.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: He is so why we should just go ahead and be joyful with him.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's he wants us to participate in that.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_03: It is true, like there is a reality, and again, I in a lot of ways, like even in saying that, we both know easier said than done, right?
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_03: Like definitely, right?
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, and in the journey of like coming out of like, you know, even just like the process of even repenting of being harder on ourselves than than Jesus is right now, right?
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_03: Even that pro there is a process involved in like, okay, like this is this may not change for me overnight.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like uh maybe I'll restate it like this how I feel about that may not change overnight, right?
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_03: It is a it is the current reality, right?
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: The current reality is Jesus isn't angry with me.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_03: He's not folding his arms and frowning at me, wondering why I can't get my crap together, right?
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_03: Like he's not uh disappointed in me, he knows my frame, right?
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_03: And he he loves me and he's good.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: So, so that's the current reality, but I may feel completely different about that.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, right, because I'm because I've lost sight of of who Jesus is.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_03: I've lost sight of the running, hugging, kissing father.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: So what would so somebody who's bought into the journey of joy, how would they respond to that reality you just meant?
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how like what is the journey of joy look like when you recognize your limitations, yeah, but you're gonna handle going forward joyfully?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_03: What is that uh well, I think maybe attitude.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, I think I just think it means just coming back, keep coming back to like keep fighting the fight of keep coming back to him, no, and declaring, like, even if my heart isn't convinced in the moment, I can rest on the truth of God's word that this is what God is like, and I can say, God, my feelings uh and my soul aren't lined up with the the truth of your word, right?
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_03: And so I surrender anew and afresh to the truth of who you are, right?
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_03: And then it might not be tomorrow and it might not be the next day, but at some point in the future, your heart will begin to shift, right?
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_03: Right, and you'll you'll step back into that being a journey of joy.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_03: Like God, we get to do this.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_03: Like you, like what like the wonder of the gospel that God's invited us into sharing his mission on the earth, right?
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like that's we we get to we get to experience in, you know, we've talked about this before, like the like the the beauty and the wonder of what happens to the person delivering a prophetic word, the one who is facilitating uh, you know, maybe a dream interpretation or a freedom prayer session, the wonder of what it is to be like uh the front row seat, the glory that comes from that.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_03: Like the like I am, you know, that was one of the surprises along the way of like the this person who I'm ministering to is having a moment with God.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_03: And because I'm in this moment, I am experiencing the presence of God, the pleasure of God, the love of God, yeah, you know, oftentimes tangibly in that moment.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, like what like that is like outrageous to me.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_03: And I still it's still hard for me to comprehend at times, is that we get to be in those in those places, and God invites us and He He includes us on the in the blessing.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, that's right.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_03: And so that's just the you know, the wonder and the power of that.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, I and I would say I'd be the first to admit that I I definitely need to be reminded all the time of the wonder of that, the the just the heart of God in all of that.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so well, I have a I have a mentor in my life who who loves to remind me when I any time that I start like beating myself up or belittling myself because I wasn't as good at something as I thought I might be.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or I didn't come through the way I had hoped.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: I left something undone, right?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: That kind of thing, they're they're quick to remind me, you know what, you don't have to be afraid of that because it's just another reminder that you can't do it on your own.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, and when they say that to me, I remember that before I start into a project, I joyfully and even with great glory say, God, this isn't gonna happen due to my strength and my ability alone.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: This will be because you're in it.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: It feels easier to say that before the project starts.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: When I get in the middle of the project, God's still working to a degree, but I'm not happy with my performance.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's easy for me to start getting tricked by my flesh and the enemy into saying, Yeah, wow, you're still not very good at that, are you?
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: And and I've lost the joy of, well, I didn't want it to be about me anyway.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: But in the heat of the fire, just confession to anybody who's listening and right here to say, hey, it is a human thing for us to get in the middle when the heat's turned up, yeah, and start thinking, wow, I'm still not very good at this.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: But the dynamics have not changed.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: It it's like what's being exposed is yeah, you stepped into it by faith saying if anything amazing happens here, it's not me, it's because God's moving.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm just a vessel here.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, when when the reality of that shows up in the moment, you can still take joy saying, Well, guess what, devil?
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm actually gonna rejoice because I told you I couldn't do it by myself.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so I'm not doing it by myself.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm continuing forward, like you're saying.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can continue like the joy thing can stay plugged in for me when I say it's all it's just another way of celebrating it's not by my might or my strength, but by the spirit.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he loves working with me, but but it's always gonna be okay for me not to be so great at it.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because he's the one that is like, hey, yeah, hey enemy, it's a good you know, it's a good thing for me that I'm with the one who is really good at this.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah, and I'm sticking with him, and the one who is the most joyful, right?
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: And the most joyful, and the one who's great at it is totally fine with me.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so get out of my face, enemy, right?
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: That that's where the joy that joy can return to you.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: Agreed.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: But just to say, yeah, I I would I would say that this is probably a skirmish that a person, any man or woman of God who's going to courageously go forward on mission with God, this is a skirmish you're gonna have continually.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: This is the battle for the rest of our earthly life, is saying, okay, I am not winning here because I'm something or because I'm amazing.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's it's it's always going to be about the fact that I can't do it without Jesus.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: And the great news is he is fully into being in that moment with me.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah, and I think, I think just to just to kind of pull it back around to a little bit of discovery, like really the journey of joy is a you know, uh very much connected to joy is discovery, right?
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_03: And that you you are like I feel like throughout my life, and I can look back to moments where I'm it's discovery and maybe you want to say it rediscovery, right?
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_03: That or discovering a new facet of who God is in your life, the way he knows the way that he speaks to you, the way he moves through you, the way, you know, that he way that he provides for you, the way he speaks to you, the way he provide, you know, uh I'm repeating myself here, but just there's all kinds of ways that God we where we discover, like not only this is what God does, but this is who he is, this is how he talks.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_03: This is right, you know, the yeah, just the things, the kind of things that he does in my life is really just understanding and growing in that.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_03: And that's a journey.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_03: Like when I, you know, and again, like this this happens, uh, the more I'm more I walk with the Lord, and again, it it may be, you know, it it certainly doesn't happen every day, right?
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like sometimes sometimes uh day can be very mundane, but yeah, definitely, but again, like I'm but doesn't change the invitation.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_03: But I wanted to say, like the more and more I walk with the Lord, uh, the more I find myself discovering and rediscovering uh that he's way like gosh, it's so good.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's life-changing at times to bump into the fact that Jesus, like to have your heart hear that Jesus is way better than your head thought he was.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's a good way to say it.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_03: Like I just say it's so like it's unimaginably good.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like it is, it is it blows me away when my heart hears that Jesus is way better than you know, than I thought, right?
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_03: That that my heart, my head thought that he was, or even even maybe I thought it maybe maybe my heart was convinced he wasn't.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_03: But I think it's like when he speaks to my heart and I discover and rediscover his goodness, like how good, how much he loves me, how much he's uh he he is for me, how much he he's caring for me.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_03: When I discover that, when I hear his voice of affection for me, it's it's outrageous what that does in my heart.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_03: It changes me.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_03: It changes my life.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_03: And again, I just I love those moments where it's just like, okay, well, it's been a while, but uh Jesus is like, okay, now's the moment.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna speak to your heart, and you're gonna know how truly valuable you are.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_03: Man, how precious you are.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's really good.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: And there's there's something in there that that that is so important is it feels still like it's letting God do a thing.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it it's uh it's Like I I feel I feel sometimes the Holy Spirit is examining my heart and he takes great joy in discovering Dan's at a different place.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: He's ready to let me do a thing through him.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: That he maybe wasn't ready last year.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: And and he'll stretch me.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: But but I understand in the middle of that stretching, a new opportunity comes or a situation comes, and I know I'm the one to handle a thing.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the spirit going, No, you're ready to let me do this.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so it is a letting.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like he's so gentle with our hearts and persuasive with it.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like my heart might feel not ready, but it in another, in another, who knows, month, week, day, I may be surprised what my heart is willing to let him do through me.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: And the discovery comes.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: And it's such a beautiful way he knows how to handle our hearts.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: But I I love what you just said though.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: My heart is discovered.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: Jesus is better than my mind thought he was.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: And it was like, and again, like I'm gonna uh I'm gonna maybe at the risk of sliding off into something else here, but I was just the the pearl of great price uh comes to mind in that in that um I'm I'm gonna take a little bit of liberty here in saying that like the pearl of like it's the man I it's not sorry, I don't know if it's the pearl of great price, because that was it might be a different picture, but it's the man who discovers the treasure in the field.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's where I want to go.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_03: Where he where he he's the parable that Jesus is the kingdom of God is like this, right?
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_03: It's a man who who's traveling through a field and he discovers a treasure, yep, and then he buries it, buries it again, and then he sells, and then paragraphs, and then he sells everything, yeah.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and he buys the field.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_03: And here's the part where I actually view that as both ways, right?
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_03: That Jesus, that were the treasure that Jesus sold everything for, right?
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, sold everything, bought the field so that he could buy us.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_03: And conversely, conversely, we also are invited into the discovery of this is who Jesus is, where we sell everything.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_03: And buy all that he is.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_03: And so, and so what I would say is like that that moment, like moments where we discover uh the goodness of God, yeah, those are those are the things that make me go, God, you're you are worth whatever this costs me.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_03: Like they compel me forward in the journey of my walk with God, where it's like I discover how good God is, how much he loves me, like, and my heart knows it.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_03: And I go, uh, I'm selling the field, or like I'm selling everything to buy the field.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not selling the field, but uh, you know, yeah, I know what you're saying.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, I'm I'm selling everything so I can buy the field.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_03: Because who, you know, everybody wants a king like Jesus.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like everybody, like if we truly knew and saw who Jesus was, we would sell everything and follow him.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_03: And so he's just worth it.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_03: He's just so worth it.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_03: The beauty of who Jesus is.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, it is stunning.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: It is stunning to think about Jesus looking at humanity, yeah, and saying, I'm gonna sell everything and buy that field.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because humanity, I I I know the treasure that's buried.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: For the for the joy set before him, yeah, yeah, the mutual, like, yeah, like that, that's amazing.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there was one song that we were singing in worship last night, and it keeps escaping me, the actual lyric, but it's the idea of like all we want is you, Jesus.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember the lyric?
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um No.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm embarrassed, I'm embarrassed that I can't remember it, but it but the but the refrain was basically that like all I want is you, Jesus.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_00: And as we were singing it, I had this distinct impression from the Lord, like he was singing that to us, right?
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're saying, all I want is you, and it's like it's like the Holy Spirit was saying, I'm so glad because all I've ever wanted was you.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, like it's just this mutual, like, and I was just stunned in worship, like, oh could that be God?
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like, could that be?
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: It just seems too wonderful for my mind to say that could be.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it but I really believe somehow mysteriously it is.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_00: It is, yeah.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like wow, but it's yeah, I do I do think that there is that.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_03: And again, you know, for the you know, this isn't for the scholars, this is for the romantic, right?
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_03: The you know, the the scholar may say, well, clearly that's not this is you know the reason why, but the romantic reads that and goes, like in in the same way, in the same way.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_03: You can say this from bridal imagery, right?
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_03: In the same way that a husband sells the you know, sells everything to buy the field of his wife, yeah, the same way that a wife sells everything to buy the field of his of her husband.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_03: I'm all in, I'm all in.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, that goes that for sure goes both ways.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_03: And it's just the the beauty, I think, of the invitation just never ceases to amaze me.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_03: And even uh, you know, going back to last night, just I felt like I got a taste of that.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I felt like I just it was there, the the newness, the freshness, the the discovery piece.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_03: And so uh maybe I think it's your turn to pray.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, um, so just a hero as we as we're landing the plane, like I I feel like maybe we could pray into like just blessing people's journey of discovering the depths of who God is.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, maybe discovery, rediscovery, and just like we can send them on their way with that.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: Love to do that.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, God, I would like to just thank you for how sacred this conversation has been, and thank you for where you have where you have brought it, Lord.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_00: We've come to the end of this conversation, but it's such a beautiful place that we're in right in this space.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: And for anybody listening right now, thank you that you've drawn them into this place too.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: And God, we pray for uh pray for the joy of discovery in people's lives.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we bless one another with that joy of um discovering the goodness of you, Jesus, at different levels of our life, deeper levels, uh the the surprise and the beauty of of seeing uh a new thing that you can do through us that we didn't realize we could we could be involved in something like that, that we could be used that way.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then Lord, I I pray also for a new awareness of your joy over those same discoveries.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and uh just as Anthony was asking me to pray, I was just hearing mutual joy, Lord, that just a mix of your joy and our joy and being responsive to you would just fill our lives.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and we pray for a new uh a new level of that for anybody listening, yeah, and that they would come into a new era where um they have a thirst and a hunger for that joy of discovery and bring freshness, Lord, to uh any places that uh just where it's gotten a little stale or or a little dull, or we just pray for a brand new joy of discovery.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um in that that would come in you opening up new doors and in and just kind of waving us on and saying, Come on in, come on through this door uh and and explore this with me.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: And we just we thank you for this.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, thank you for the fruit that's gonna come of even this prayer in people's lives.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_00: For your glory, amen.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's a wrap on this episode.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's been a privilege to have you as an honored guest as we all learn to hear God better.
• 52:35
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• 52:44
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