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2026 Route 666! HALLOWEEN THROWBACKS: All Hallows' Eve Murders! · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Happy Halloween, everyone! 2026, get your kicks on Route 666.
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  Speaker 2: Happy the fuck Halloween, guys. I hope you find these
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  Speaker 2: little Halloween throwbacks as entertaining and spooktacular as I do.
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  Speaker 2: They're sure to send a chill down your taint. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: you'll laugh till you faint. Anything is possible. This is
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  Speaker 2: my absolute favorite time of year. I take great pleasure
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  Speaker 2: in presenting these spooky cosmic peach classics. And again, I
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  Speaker 2: hope you enjoy each and every one of them. Now
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  Speaker 2: let's take a trip down Route 666.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Hello and welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 3: This is the cult of conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: And my name is Jonathan. And today we have back
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  Speaker 1: the cosmic peach, Julia. Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 4: Returning champs. This is going to be a swap cast.
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  Speaker 4: My listeners already know what it is. We're besties at
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  Speaker 4: this point. And I just enjoy doing episodes with you guys.
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  Speaker 4: I'm kicking off what I'm calling the 2023 Ghost Jamboree
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  Speaker 4: for October. And so I wanted to talk to you
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  Speaker 4: guys tonight about some kind of occulted murders that happened
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  Speaker 4: on Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. When the veil is at its thinnest.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. I absolutely love this. And also, I
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  Speaker 1: saw you had a drink in your hand a minute ago.
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  Speaker 1: Are you, you're a Christian, correct?
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  Speaker 4: I am. I do imbibe.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the reason why I asked is because today is
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  Speaker 1: actually Mabin as of time of recording, which is a
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  Speaker 1: Wiccan holiday of second harvest and apples and wine and
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  Speaker 1: like that type of festivities that are a big thing
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  Speaker 1: on this day. I thought that was a nod to that.
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  Speaker 1: But my bad. I forgot you are a child of
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  Speaker 1: God as so as I. Yes, I am.
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  Speaker 4: But, you know.
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  Speaker 1: To any Wiccans out there, Mary may be into you. Anyway.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jesus did turn the water into wine, so.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't do.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like he has a heart after mine. So
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  Speaker 4: cheers to that. I have Jack Fire here.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you're drinking a cinnamon whiskey. Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. I'm having Jack Fire neat and chasing it with
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  Speaker 4: a little A & W. So.
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait. Cinnamon, whiskey, and root beer?
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  Speaker 4: Dude, it's so good.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like a good combo. Interesting.
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  Speaker 4: The vanilla with the root beer and the cinnamon from
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  Speaker 4: the whiskey, it just kind of, I don't know, it
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  Speaker 4: just goes together. It's like a hot toddy.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, as far as the, what was it called?
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  Speaker 1: Jack Fire? Yeah. So, yeah, I would say that's like a.
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  Speaker 3: Bougier version of, you know, your basic white girl fireball there.
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  Speaker 1: For sure.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but Fireball, it's so sweet. It almost makes me
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  Speaker 4: sick when I drink it. But Jack Fire is, like
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  Speaker 4: you said, it's a little bougier. So I can drink
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  Speaker 4: it without the after effects of Fireball.
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  Speaker 1: But you're drinking it neat. But then again, you're chasing
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  Speaker 1: it with the A & W back.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a little A & W going on.
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  Speaker 1: I dig it.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know where you guys want to start,
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  Speaker 4: but I love getting your reactions when I just like
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  Speaker 4: drop stuff on you. And I want to get your thoughts.
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  Speaker 4: Why do you think Halloween would be significant if someone
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  Speaker 4: was going to murder another person? For obvious reasons, it's Halloween.
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  Speaker 4: But do you know anything about like the origins of Halloween?
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  Speaker 1: All right, so I have a good knowledge on this. Jonathan,
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  Speaker 1: you go first. What is your background on a murder
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  Speaker 1: or some sort of a violent act on Halloween? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I always think, like, Friday the 13th kind of deal.
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  Speaker 1: Like the movies, you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. However, I
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  Speaker 1: did want to make this little caveat.
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  Speaker 3: I saw this quote yesterday, and it made absolute sense
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  Speaker 3: because it's dating back to something that Anton LaVey once said.
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  Speaker 1: And he said....
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  Speaker 3: He loves like he loves how Christians celebrate Satanism one
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  Speaker 3: day a year when he's talking about Halloween. And he
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  Speaker 3: says he loves how parents let their kids celebrate Satanism
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  Speaker 3: and and pretend that there's something that they're not. And
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  Speaker 3: I just thought that that was like, damn, bro. Like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's what everybody's doing. But from
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  Speaker 3: his perspective, he's he sees it as a win.
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  Speaker 1: OK.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard him say that. That's that's fascinating. Mm hmm. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: pretty wild. So as far as my background on All
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  Speaker 1: Hallows' Eve and Halloween and the big feast that goes
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  Speaker 1: on into that and the history behind it all, it
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  Speaker 1: depends on what culture we're talking about. All over Europe,
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  Speaker 1: people had their own harvest festivals that would go on
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  Speaker 1: around that time of year. As far as what Americans
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  Speaker 1: celebrate as far as Halloween is concerned, I mean, hell,
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  Speaker 1: the jack-o'-lantern, that goes back to the Celtic tribes that
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  Speaker 1: used to take skulls of their enemies and put candles
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  Speaker 1: in them. Then there's a whole other Irish drinking tale
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  Speaker 1: that tells about a dude with a turnip that made
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  Speaker 1: the first. Yes. Yes. Which is a crazy story about
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  Speaker 1: a guy who outwitted the devil. Yeah. It's fascinating. I
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  Speaker 1: do love Irish folklore, like with a strong passion. Did
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  Speaker 1: he do it without a fiddle? No, he did it
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  Speaker 1: at a bar.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think any fiddles were involved, but I'm down
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  Speaker 4: with the fiddler. If they could add one to the story.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: But now, okay, so All Hallows Eve is in reference
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  Speaker 1: to the fact that November 1st is All Saints Day.
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  Speaker 1: So it is supposed to be an extremely holy holiday
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  Speaker 1: if you follow the Catholic, you know, faith. When the
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  Speaker 1: veil hardens. Well, allegedly, yes, allegedly, no. Maybe that's why
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  Speaker 1: it was All Saints Day is because that was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be the day that it was the thinnest. But
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  Speaker 1: all of that goes back to pagan equinox and Wiccan, like,
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  Speaker 1: calendar-style festive events. So as far as why they even
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  Speaker 1: made that day specifically All Hallows Day, All Saints Day,
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  Speaker 1: who's to say? The Catholic Church was trying to pretty
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  Speaker 1: much integrate paganism into its ranks at such a phenomenal rate.
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  Speaker 1: And they did. They conquered Europe.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually, it's interesting that you bring that up
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  Speaker 4: because I found that it was Pope Gregory III who
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  Speaker 4: made November 1st All Saints Day. But he did end
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  Speaker 4: up incorporating a lot of paganism into All Saints Day.
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  Speaker 4: So he claims that it was to counteract the Celtic
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  Speaker 4: festival for Samhain, which was October 31st. So he made
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  Speaker 4: November 1st All Saints Day to kind of I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: the juxtaposition of their holiday and our holiday. But what
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  Speaker 4: he ended up doing over time is that he incorporated
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  Speaker 4: all the traditions for the Sam Haynes celebration into All
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  Speaker 4: Saints Day. So it ended up just being a big,
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  Speaker 4: massive clusterfuck anyways.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed.
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  Speaker 4: They started referring to the day before All Saints Day as.
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  Speaker 1: All Hallows' Eve. Because hallow meaning holy, like hallowed ground
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  Speaker 1: would be the ground that you could, it could be,
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  Speaker 1: it's sanctified ground that would be able to let people
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  Speaker 1: be buried in, build a church upon, that type of thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes. But you know, they have to like over
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  Speaker 4: time incorporate what's like, oh, we'll just do a little
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  Speaker 4: bonfire on our day too. Or like, oh, we'll just
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  Speaker 4: do a little this on our day too, or this,
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  Speaker 4: and you just get Halloween out of it.
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  Speaker 1: One of my favorite traditions is actually where trick-or-treat came from.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm drawing a blank on the actual culture of origin.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it was Slavic, if it was German,
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  Speaker 1: if it was Celtic. I'm not a hunter on this,
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  Speaker 1: but somewhere upper in the upper, upper white types of
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  Speaker 1: peoples in the Northern Europe.
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  Speaker 4: The Caucasity region.
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  Speaker 1: The extra audacity on that Caucasity, right? And basically a
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  Speaker 1: bishop-style dressed dude would blackface himself, knock on a door
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  Speaker 1: and straight up trick or treat would be his thing
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  Speaker 1: and the parents would pretty much rat on their kids
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  Speaker 1: to this person and I forget the title that this
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  Speaker 1: guy was and I don't even know if it was
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  Speaker 1: actually a priest or just like some dude that like
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  Speaker 1: took on the role for the year of beating everybody's
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  Speaker 1: kids because like whatever but either he would get fed
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  Speaker 1: or he you know he'd beat the shit out of
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  Speaker 1: these kids that didn't do their chores and make him
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  Speaker 1: a treat for that day and that was incorporated into
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  Speaker 1: Halloween it's wild when you go down.
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  Speaker 4: That sounds like some kind of a fresh hell right there.
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  Speaker 1: Keep in mind the germans also have krumpus for christmas
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  Speaker 1: so like this sounds german out loud you know what
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  Speaker 1: i mean.
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  Speaker 3: By the way for all the wiccans out there who
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  Speaker 3: are going to fry both of you for saying sam
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  Speaker 3: hayne I didn't say Samhain.
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  Speaker 1: She did.
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  Speaker 4: I said Samhain, but I have a story to back
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  Speaker 4: it up, actually.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I know that that's like the English translation or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: but I always... Samhain. But it's how they pronounce it
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  Speaker 3: in like the Wicca.
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  Speaker 1: Sawin. Sawin. Oh, Sawin. I didn't know that's what you
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  Speaker 1: were saying. I thought you were referring to a dude
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  Speaker 1: named Samhain. You meant Sawin, the festival.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Sawin. Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm glad you brought that up, actually, because the
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  Speaker 4: story I was going to tell about it, it's pronounced
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  Speaker 4: correctly in the story that I'm about to tell. But
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  Speaker 4: we're talking about Halloween murders. So to get us started,
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  Speaker 4: I feel like it's very necessary to bring up the
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  Speaker 4: son of Sam. And where that name comes from, who
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  Speaker 4: he was and who he said that he was in
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  Speaker 4: touch with, which was Samhain. Sam Haines, son of Sam Sawin.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, hey.
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  Speaker 4: In several interviews, actually, he stated that he was communicating
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  Speaker 4: with Sawin, hence the son of Sam. But did you
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  Speaker 4: know that the son of Sam, David Berkowitz, has a
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  Speaker 4: connection to a Halloween massacre?
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  Speaker 1: Let's go.
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 1: I'm here for it. Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on now. Hold on. Why is that?
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  Speaker 4: So the bodies of Elizabeth Platzman, 19 years old and
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  Speaker 4: Ronald Sisman, 39 years old were found Saturday morning following
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  Speaker 4: Halloween at Ronald Sisman's duplex in Manhattan. The couple were
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  Speaker 4: severely beaten shot in the back of the head execution
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  Speaker 4: style and And before or after the murders, somebody had
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  Speaker 4: ransacked the place. Furniture was ripped up. It almost looked
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  Speaker 4: like they were trying to toss the place and find something.
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  Speaker 4: But they were shot execution style. And they were trying
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  Speaker 4: to figure out who would do this because it was
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  Speaker 4: actually a pretty affluent neighborhood. These people had no enemies whatsoever.
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  Speaker 4: And the police got this tipster. They got a call
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  Speaker 4: from this tipster. a person who never identified themselves. And
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  Speaker 4: it was a bizarre ass tip. They said that they
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  Speaker 4: knew someone who had predicted the murder of Elizabeth and
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  Speaker 4: Ronald weeks prior to it actually happening. And they were like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: who's this mysterious fortune teller? And the tipster said, it's
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  Speaker 4: actually David Berkowitz, the son of Sam. He predicted this
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  Speaker 4: whole thing taking place weeks before it happened while he
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  Speaker 4: was still in prison.
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  Speaker 1: What? Yes. I wonder, was it in a dream?
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  Speaker 3: Because I know that this is something that's popular that
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  Speaker 3: some people will see like prophetic things happen in their dreams.
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  Speaker 3: I've actually had one of my one of my ex
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  Speaker 3: best friends at this point, but he had a dream
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  Speaker 3: of something. And he was like, dude, I'm telling you,
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  Speaker 3: this is going to happen again.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, nah, dude, that ain't gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: That was just a weird dream. And then it happens
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  Speaker 1: like three weeks later. Okay, hold on now.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on.
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  Speaker 1: Feet firmly planted on the ground here. What's to say
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  Speaker 1: that these people living in this very affluent neighborhood actually
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  Speaker 1: had some shady business deals going on nobody knew about.
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  Speaker 1: This guy Berkowitz in jail heard from buzz around the
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  Speaker 1: prison that some shot caller in jail had like given
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  Speaker 1: a green light to take these people out execution style.
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  Speaker 1: He called it because he just happened to hear about
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  Speaker 1: it from the source. It was like insider trading kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing. I don't know. I'm just asking.
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  Speaker 4: Let me give you the answer to both of your questions.
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  Speaker 4: Is it deja vu? Is he a fucking fortune teller?
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  Speaker 4: Or did he have some tips from the inside? It's
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  Speaker 4: a combination. Because the guy, Ronald Sissman... was actually up
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  Speaker 4: to some shady shit. He was a photographer, which is
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  Speaker 4: why he had this affluent type of lifestyle, because he
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  Speaker 4: was kind of a big photographer for the time or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: And David Berkowitz, about three weeks before the murder took place,
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  Speaker 4: had told this informant that called the police that his
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  Speaker 4: cult was going to torture and perform a ritual killing
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  Speaker 4: on Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go.
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  Speaker 4: He described it as a photographer's residence near Greenwich Village,
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  Speaker 4: where after the ritual, they would kill the occupants, clean
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  Speaker 4: the residence of any incriminating evidence against the cult. But
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  Speaker 4: he didn't know who it was going to be. He
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  Speaker 4: didn't know it was Ronald Sisman. He just knew it
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  Speaker 4: was a photographer and he knew it was going to
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  Speaker 4: be the cult that was going after him on Halloween.
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  Speaker 4: But as it turns out, after he found out that
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  Speaker 4: it was Ronald Sisman who got the axe on Halloween,
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  Speaker 4: he was like, oh, that makes sense. Because Ronald Sisman
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  Speaker 4: has a snuff video of one of the Son of
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  Speaker 4: Sam killings. And Ronald Sisman was actually about to shed
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  Speaker 4: some light on the cult and try to get people
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  Speaker 4: to rethink that David Berkowitz actually acted alone because he didn't. And, um,
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  Speaker 4: I guess Ronald Sisman was paid to take this video
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  Speaker 4: of one of the son of Sam killings and it
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  Speaker 4: was eating at his conscience and he was going to
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  Speaker 4: come forward with it. And they pretty much offed him.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Oh, this totally checks out to me, bro.
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  Speaker 3: And that's, uh, I love how it was like green,
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  Speaker 3: which village I wanted to ask the West, by the way, green,
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  Speaker 3: which village.
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  Speaker 1: So, um, I get the Wizard of Oz reference.
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  Speaker 4: The police did talk to David Berkowitz after the tipster,
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  Speaker 4: you know, said all this stuff. And they never relinquished
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  Speaker 4: a lot of information to David Berkowitz to validate what
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  Speaker 4: he was saying. But what they did say to the
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  Speaker 4: reporters is maybe he's right because, uh, The license were
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  Speaker 4: stolen out of the wallets. And there were some other things.
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  Speaker 4: And actually, they would take the wallet or the ID
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  Speaker 4: out of the wallet to prove they had killed the
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  Speaker 4: right person. And a lot of similar cult murders. So
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  Speaker 4: they were like, maybe there's something to this.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. All right.
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  Speaker 3: I'm... I've only heard of people doing these snuff video
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  Speaker 3: killings in shows and movies and stuff. Oh no, that's
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  Speaker 3: no market for it, bro. No, I'm sure it is,
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  Speaker 3: but is it usually tied into the occult? Or is
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  Speaker 3: this something that just sick people do?
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a whole bunch of people who get
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  Speaker 4: off on violent deaths and murders and stuff that aren't
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  Speaker 4: involved in the occult, whether it's ritualistic in nature or
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  Speaker 4: of course it is. Maybe they're not practicing occult practices,
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  Speaker 4: but they get off watching animals being tortured and people
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  Speaker 4: getting murdered. And they have these videos on the dark web,
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  Speaker 4: but then they're with the son of Sam. There are
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  Speaker 4: occult rituals that go around with murders. Like the murder
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  Speaker 4: is for a purpose, not so much just for the
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  Speaker 4: jolly of it. And, um, To this day, no one
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  Speaker 4: has been arrested for the murder of Ronald Sisman and
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  Speaker 4: Elizabeth Plafsman. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, to answer that also, the dark web has
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  Speaker 1: everything on it, bro. People like, it's not even like
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  Speaker 1: a sexual pleasure. It is a mental stimulant that these
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  Speaker 1: sick people get off to in other ways of watching.
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  Speaker 1: I know dudes that get off to war porn. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean that to mean what you're thinking. I
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  Speaker 1: mean like actual like battlefield gore and like live footage
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  Speaker 1: of what's going down in Ukraine. live footage of the
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  Speaker 1: genocide that's going down in Miramar right now. They have
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  Speaker 1: people that are in the most disgusting realms of existence
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  Speaker 1: in every caliber, man. I'll say this.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I could never get down with all that
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  Speaker 3: killing or anything, but in a weird way, like maybe
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  Speaker 3: just in a way that I was brought up, I
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  Speaker 3: played football my whole life. And so there was always
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  Speaker 3: this thing on ESPN. It was like NFL Sunday or whatever. Well,
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  Speaker 3: it was always Tom Jackson and Chris Berman. And it
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  Speaker 3: was always the top 10 like hits of the day.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And, and, and it was always like, he got jacked
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  Speaker 3: up and it was always like Lewis or Troy Palomaro
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  Speaker 3: just smashing people.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. But as far as killing bro, no.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, that person didn't die, but it's the
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  Speaker 4: same thing with watching like MMA or anything like that.
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  Speaker 4: It's a sport. And you realize these people are consenting
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  Speaker 4: adults going into this and they know they're probably going
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  Speaker 4: to get jacked up at some point, but like getting,
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  Speaker 4: off by watching like an innocent person's life being taken
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  Speaker 4: away like that's when you start to get into like
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  Speaker 4: the demonic realm like what have you invited into yourself
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  Speaker 4: that you cannot get off unless you see that kind
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  Speaker 4: of stuff and for david berkowitz like son of sam
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  Speaker 4: You have to think to these people. It's almost like
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: watching the Kim Kardashian sex tape. It's not like regular
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: porn where you don't know the person who got murdered
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: or the murderer. It's you know this person. This is
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: David Berkowitz. That's the victim that's been all over the news.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: And I'm getting to watch him do it.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: There's this whole celebrity aspect to it.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: It's weird. Could you imagine if Jeffrey Dahmer would have
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: actually recorded his killings and somehow the dark web had those?
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: You realize how popular those would be? Oh, my God.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Because of the name recognition on that. That's the disgusting part.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: That's the disgusting part.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: The murders themselves are probably satanic in nature and everything
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: in between. Sick people doing sick things. But then somebody
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: decides to record it, and it used to be for
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: their own personal collection, right? Then they're like, wait a minute,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: wait a minute. The dark web's out there. Bro, this
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: is content.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Well, they have this, they actually say that you can
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: kind of spot these, uh, these psychopaths or serial killers
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: at a very young age, because it usually, it typically
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: does start with, you know, the enjoyment of watching the,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: the harming or the killing of animals. And that's typically
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: like how the psychopathic mind starts is like, you get
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: it off by watching torture of animals, whether it be
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: squirrels or cats or raccoons or something like that. Um,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: and actually, dude, that's funny that we're even talking about
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: this today because there has been for the past few days.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: A mouse running around in my house. Oh my God.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: My wife is definitely a scared of mice for some reason,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: just of all sorts.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Like I personally, I think that mice are cute.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Like I was looking into buying a capybara because they're awesome.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: But that being said, so anyway, she's definitely scared, afraid
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: of these things. And so she bought some mouse traps. Well,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that she bought like the, the sticky ones. Dude,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: that's like, that's like the worst. And so that sucks.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Well, anyway, so I wake up this morning and it's
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: on one of those sticky traps and I'm, but it's
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: still alive.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm looking at videos. How do I get
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: it off of this thing? So I can release it back. No,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I want, no, I'm not that kind of psycho. um
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: so i was looking up ways i mean it's better
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: than letting it scream itself to death.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Well there's actually a way if if a mouse gets
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: on one of those sticky traps and it's still alive
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: you can pour olive oil onto it oh my god
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: and um like onto the trap so that it loosens
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: up the stickiness and um so i put it in
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: a box and i.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Just released it out into the wilderness and i saved
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: this little mouse life why so we could come back
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: in your house I don't know.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: It's Stuart Little, okay? We're cool with Stuart Little.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Like, I'm sorry.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: He's sticking there and all I can picture is him
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: just saying, Cinderella, Cinderella.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, me? I'm so different. I'm not doing that to you.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Andy Brooks is so different. But to segue back to Halloween,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I would say this. Like, you could have got, you
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: went and adopted a cat. I know you're not going
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: to because Jude ran out on you being a hoe.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: But come to find out, you cannot adopt black cats
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: in the month of October. For anybody who didn't know that,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: if you go to an adoption shelter, they will not
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: allow it because... Too many people have adopted them, specifically
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: black cats, to ritualistically sacrifice on Halloween. So per United
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: States law, you can't find this.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: What is wrong with people? See, that's a part of
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: the reason why I wanted to bring this up. Because, sure,
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: murders happen all the time. But there's this whole ritualistic
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: aspect to the ones that happen on Halloween. And it's
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: probably for a reason.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: The 1970s is when they did that, yeah. I mean, I, I.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Made a mixed bag for you guys. Some of them
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: are more occult in nature and then some of them
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: are not as occult in nature, but I want to
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: get your thoughts on why they happened the way that
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: they did. And so that's kind of where we're going
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: to go with this next one.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: That's why we love you because you always make it
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: so fun. Like this is the fun part of about
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: having you on is that it's like, it's, It's like
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: an interactive thing. Like, have you ever seen the Black
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Mirror interactive show where you choose the outcome by picking
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: the choices and stuff?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: That's how I feel. She came with a game show
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: for us once upon a time. Like, let's let's be real.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: I have a new game show. Maybe we can include
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: it for the Patreon listeners later. I made it myself.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: I couldn't find a game worthy for the Cosmic Peach podcast,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: so I literally created one so we can play it
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: later if we have time.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: If and when we get that conspiracy game board, we
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: have to invite her over to play a game when
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: we're going to live stream that motherfucker. The Illuminati. Yes,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the Illuminati card game. So fun.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: But, all right, we're taking a trip back in time now.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: So this first one happened Halloween 1973 in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Very small town. And it's actually a nine-year-old girl named
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Lisa Ann French. Have you ever heard of her?
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: No.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Okay. So Lisa dressed as a hobo that year. And
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: back in the 70s, it was cool to just go
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: around trick-or-treating without your parents.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: You just get with a group of friends. You go
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: out trick-or-treating. You come back home within like an hour
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: or two. And up to that point, that was a
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: normal practice. you would never catch somebody sending their kid
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: out by themselves in 2023. That's how I.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Was brought up. My parents stopped bringing us at, at
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: a pretty young age. No, but see, it depends in Louisiana. No,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: my parents went out with us until we were like teenagers.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah. My parents went, went with me too. But so
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: she's going around the neighborhood. She visited a few houses.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: They said that they saw her. They said she came over,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: gave her some treats. Then she knocks on the door
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: of this 25-year-old guy named Gerald Turner. Okay, so here's
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: the thing. Gerald Turner is not a stranger to her.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: He actually rented the other half of Lisa Ann French's
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: family's duplex. So they lived together for a number of
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: years side by side. So she already knew who this
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: guy was. And she was very comfortable with him because
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: after school, she'd go say hi. If she was playing
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: in the yard and he was outside, he'd come over.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: He went over to the parents' house, visited with them.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: She was extremely comfortable with him. And so even after
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: he moved out, she knocks on the door. Oh, it's Gerald.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: I know you. And she's immediately comfortable. So what does
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: he do? He invites her in. And on that Halloween night,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: and I'm just going to give a trigger warning. You
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: might want to skip 20 seconds ahead in the episode
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: if this type of brutality unsettles you. But Gerald Turner
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: took Lisa to his bedroom, brutally sexually raped and assaulted
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: her until she stopped breathing. And the official cause of
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: death was asphyxiation and shock.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: Nine years old.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, dude.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: And listen what this shit bag did. Okay. He attempted
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: to cover up his tracks by wrapping her body up
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: in a freaking garbage bag. And he dumped it in
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: the field somewhere. And it took days for them to
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: finally find her. But when the police put two and
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: two together and showed up at his door, he just
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: fucking melted like a candle. He was like, yep, it
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: was me. He later tried to recant his statement and
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: say that he lied, that it wasn't him. But all
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: the evidence was like stacked. There was no way he
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: was getting out of it. And he was sentenced to
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: 38 years in prison.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: That's not long enough, in my opinion.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: I don't think so either.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Some people deserve a very slow, torturous death. Yeah, the
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: long kiss goodnight.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: To this day, because of what happened to Lisa and French,
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Fond du Lac, Wisconsin has set trick-or-treating hours and you're
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: prohibited to go out after dark on Halloween.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, nowadays people are starting to do it
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: and I know whenever I was growing up, I swear
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: it always started whenever it started getting dark, but now
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: it seems that Halloween is wrapping up like it's coming
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: to an end as it's starting to get dark.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Which is probably for a precautionary.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Measure, I would imagine.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I remember it being when the first streetlight came on,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: that was your go light. Right. You just took off
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: and you got done whenever you would hit every house
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: in your neighborhood.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: That's kind of how I grew up too. Like the
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: nighttime was the fright time. That's when you go out
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: on the prowl and you get your treats and stuff.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: At dusk.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Ride around on bike and drop fireworks and shit to like,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: you know, fun things.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Fun. Yeah. And, you know, you come home, you have
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: some hot chocolate, you watch a movie or something, you
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: go to bed. Yeah.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: And then, of course, nowadays with our kids, I think
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: it's a like six to eight i think dude i
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: think like halloween has official hours of 6 p.m to
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: 8 p.m and like that's it i'm like dude we
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: could keep going whether the time says so or not
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: but people be about.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Somebody has their their house light on or if they're
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: sitting outside you know they're still actively passing out treats
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: that's what i say but so pumpkin for your thoughts
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: you guys Everyone says Halloween is the one night of
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: the year where the dead can walk amongst the living.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: We've all heard this. And whether somebody believes that or
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: not is up to the individual person. But my question
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: to you is rather than the dead walking amongst the living,
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: what if it's more like... demonic energy is stronger and
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: can influence people more easily on this night of the year.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Because what I've found in a lot of these Halloween
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: murders is that it's parents of their own children or
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: people who had no criminal history whatsoever. Um, and, And
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: there's actually a professor from Northeastern University that found that
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: violent crimes increased by 50% on Halloween. And with this
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: Lisa Ann French story, what bothered me about it is
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: the dude lived right next door to her for years
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: and had how many opportunities if he really wanted.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: To do that.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: Why did it have to be this night, this Halloween?
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: So, I have a couple of different theories as far
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: as this. Maybe he had a certain kink towards a
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: certain age group.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: That's definitely possible. Maybe he was waiting for her to
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: evolve a little bit. Maybe he had to work up
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: his own courage to finally take, you know, to do
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: it or some shit. I don't know. I don't want
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: to even, like, try to fix the mind of a
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: sick fuck like this.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, but at the same time, in order
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: to try and understand these fucking creeps, it's almost like,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: you know, these are certain signs that you know, you
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: got to look for it because I know just be
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: just by, uh, what was the name of the pedophile movie?
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: We went to go watch, uh, sound of freedom, sound
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: of freedom.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Not as a pedophile. I said that wrong, but
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: to me and I knew what you meant. That's all.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: So, um, but anyway, that those people all specifically had
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: their kink age range. Some people were into like one
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: year olds or two year olds, or here's a fresh
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: five year old. And so these people are all fucked
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: and maybe he had just one of those things. Now,
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: I know that internet porn wasn't around back then, but still,
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: child trafficking has been around since the dawn of time, probably.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure. And also, I do want to make
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: this other caveat. It's that, yes, the veil is at
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: its thinnest.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's whenever the demonic entities, it is a lot
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: easier for them to cross over. And the devil tempts
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: the idle hands. And whenever this guy is living at his,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: probably by himself, right? Like he wasn't married. He didn't have,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: he didn't have any kids. And so that's probably, you know,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: he probably just saw it as, all right, this is,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: this is going to be it. This is going to
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: be the day. And of all days, I would imagine
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: that October 31st would be the easiest that you could
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: be tempted.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Hold on. You said it was what year? 72, 73, 73.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: And this guy was 25 when he did it, so
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: he's younger than us even. I mean, this has been
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: some shit he had stewing for a while.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because if you even look, I forget what year,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I think it was either 71 or 72, when Playboy
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: released their Sugar and Spice edition, where you see Bruce
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Fields as nine years old, stark naked. This entire magazine- Oh,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Did y'all not know about this? No. Brooke Shields,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: the fucking Hollywood celeb, A-list celebrity.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Her first nude appearance was nine years old in Playboy magazine.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Hugh Hefner signed off on this bitch in the 70s.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: You might be on to something with this.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: What?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Hold on. Pedophilia was so widely accepted, but just never
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: spoken of back then. How many of these creepy game
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: show hosts do you see kissing these kids on the
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: fucking mouth on TV? And nobody batted an eye. That
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: wasn't weird. It was somehow charming for a 55 year
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: old man to be kissing an eight year old girl
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: in the mouth. What the fuck was that? Okay. Now
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: let's cut to, like you said, Halloween and the things
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: that go down on this day. Now, because of my
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: past and because of my experiences with demonic entities, I
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: can say that they feed off of fear. That's literally
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: food for them. Not all of them across the board.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's a certain type of demonic force or dark entity.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's levels to that. We could talk about
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: that all day.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: It's the key ingredient to adrenochrome.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I absolutely believe that they feed off of fear. We
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: have now formed this holiday into a fear-based holiday, being scared,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the fright of it, the jump scares, all of that.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: It's a part of it. So to say that around
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: that time, we equally have a higher number of violent crimes,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: a higher number of rapes, a higher number of all
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: of this shit. Like, Yeah. So you're telling me the
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: demons are being fed more and people are celebrating this fear? Yeah,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: that makes sense to me.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Well, think of the world that we're living in right now, dude.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, in America, we have haunted houses. Imagine putting
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: one of them fucking things up in Syria.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: You think anybody would go? Dude, we would get.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Blown up so fast. They'd burn it down.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Exactly. We would get bombed. We would get vested. We
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: would get jihaded so fast.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, we would. Somebody would push the fucking button.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: It's going to be done. It's ridiculous. Oh, my God.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: That makes me think of Team America when he's like,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: I'll put a jihad on you.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Yes. Fuck yeah.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Could you imagine seeing Hocus Pocus, like, try to hit
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: the stage in any way she could perform in one
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: of these countries that are, like, under surreal law? Especially
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the second one. I love the second one, though. I
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: didn't like how they... I liked the theory in the plot.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't like how they forced the agenda. There were
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: so many snippets that didn't need to happen. They took
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: away from the story. They didn't add. You know what
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I mean? Like the mask.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they just looked old and shitty to me.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Well, no, not that part. The trans teen....
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Oh, well, yeah. I'm just saying, like, even if it
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: didn't include that stuff, I was like, y'all are fucking
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: old as fuck to be, like, reviving this shit.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I know. Can we let it go? I was happy
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Bette Midler, 75, for Christ's sake. I don't know.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, she might be. Sarah Jessica Parker's looking that old.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she definitely looked old.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: The role that she looked hot in was Hocus Pocus first.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: The first one, yeah. The first one for sure.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: She never looked attractive to me ever again. I'm sorry.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Corsets do it. It's a thing. It's a thing. I
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: guess so. But, you know, she's a great actress, I suppose,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: if you're into that sort of thing. Whatever.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Or Sex and the City or whatever.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never seen it. So, like I said, if
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: you're into that type of thing, I don't know. They
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: just rebooted that, by the way. I'm sure they did. Oh,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: they're going to milk that bitch dry until them old
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: ladies are walking. They're going to be the new Golden Girls.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: That would be funny.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: With a fucking air tank still trying to mack on
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: these 25-year-old ho-ish dudes. Like, it's a whole thing. Yeah.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I can see that being a.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: Fast and furious 18. That would be the new.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Fast and furious 18 is going to come out at
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the same time as Sex and the City 8. You
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? It's a whole thing.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Sex and the City 8.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: They can't help themselves. They just have a winning franchise.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: They're just going to keep squeezing that rag to get
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: every drop they can out of these old broads. I'm
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: telling you. I think it.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Will probably be successful, too, because the longtime fans, you know,
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: I can imagine if they brought back a TV show
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: that I really loved with the same people. Like if
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: they revamped even Stevens and wanted to do that, I
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: would be all about it, you know? Yeah.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Could you imagine? I'm a huge Shia LaBeouf fan.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: I am, too.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: So did you watch the podcast?
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: What's that? Uh, um, the podcast that Christy Carlson Romano
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: and the older brother from, uh, even Stevens, what's his name?
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Help me out. Wilford, uh, Wilford net.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know what his name is in real life.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: So they have a podcast together and they talk about
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: all kinds of shit in Hollywood, not necessarily conspiratorial, but just,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: you know, whatever. To get them and Shia LaBeouf or
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: anything like that, any kind of adjacent thing of like
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the old Disney stars doing it for real. They tried
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: that with Girl Meets World. That was a big swing
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: and a miss.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't good. Even with Topanga, it just wasn't.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I'm still in love with that woman. Good God. She
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: just got better with age and curves. Yeah. Her and
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: the Pink Ranger. My Lord.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: You and every other guy who grew up in the 90s.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: But let me lay the next one down on you guys. Oh.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Back to Halloween murders.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: So I mentioned what if the demonic energy is easier
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: to manifest on Halloween because a lot of people have
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: no violent history whatsoever. A lot of the people murdered
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: their own children. And that's the next one. So a
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: lot of people actually have heard about this one, Timothy O'Brien.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: And he was eight years old. He was murdered on
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: Halloween night in 1974 by his own father. And what
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: his father did actually was he stuffed cyanide into pixie
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: sticks and let him eat them.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: What?
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: And then tried to blame an old man that lived
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: down the street.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: And then he admitted later on that he actually did it.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: And it was for the insurance money that he just
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: took out on him.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Wow. I was going to suggest maybe he got tired
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: of paying child.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Support, but I mean, have you ever read what a
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: cyanide poisoning death looks like?
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, I have. As a matter of fact, I mean, I'm.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Going to spare the listeners, but.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Damn, it melts you on the inside, right? Essentially. Essentially.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: So hold on now. What year was this?
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: You said, 1974, the year after Lisa and French was off.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, shit. When do you ever remember hearing about Check
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Your Candy because they used to poison their kids in
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: the 70s with this candy? They have never seen a
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: candy company have some sort of accidental release of some poison.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: The only ones you hear about are shit like this.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Yep. His name is Timothy O'Brien. Wow.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: The whole country was on high alert for this to happen.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: So he just planned it out to where he could
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: blame the creepy old dude down the street.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Yes. He waited for Halloween. And the police actually went
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: and tossed his place and was like, hey, we heard
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: that you handed out pixie sticks on Halloween and this
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: boy is dead. And the guy was like, dude, I
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: wasn't even home. I wasn't even passing out candy. And
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: then the dad was like, oh, fuck. Well, yeah, it
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: was me. Like, what?
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: That is so strange because I mean, first of all,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: if he wouldn't have ratted himself out, why would, why
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: would anybody assume that it was his dad?
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is Halloween giving out candy.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: So as soon as you know, that, that guy had
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: an alibi and he said that he wasn't home, why
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: would he instantly just fold like that?
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: That's kind of a weak move.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: I know. Well, I think maybe so again, with this
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: whole Halloween angle, um, This guy had no violent history whatsoever,
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: hadn't heard a fly until this night, and then poisoned
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: his own son with cyanide poisoning. I mean, it's just...
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, you get to November, Halloween's over,
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: they're investigating the crime, and he folds, you know, like
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: a house of cards. Why? Is it because Halloween has
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: this energy around it? Would he have done it otherwise?
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds about right, too, because I'm saying, dude,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: there's definitely something going on with Halloween. And I think that,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: you know, we just recently did a did an episode on.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Alcohol or, you know, the the alcohol.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: And it's like supposed to be the the alcohol demon
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: or whatever that supposedly whenever, you know, because alcohol and
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: wine and beer and all that are not wine so much.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: But it's said to have spirits. And so it's said
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: to be like, it's almost like everybody, everybody who drinks
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: like heavy like that, it's almost like you're inviting a
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: spirit into your body. And I compared it to like
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: playing with a Ouija board if you're drinking too much.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: because there's some you're turning into a whole extra person
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: and I think that you know maybe you might be
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: able to compare that to Halloween in a way if
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: you open yourself up to any of this negative shit
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: then you're essentially inviting what may be coming on the
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: other side a little bit easier specifically on October 31st well.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: And you know what's weird is they say that they
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: used to dress up in costumes to frighten the dead
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: away or whatever that wives tale is and it's like
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: they're dead what do they have to be fucking scared
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: of like that never made sense to.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Me yeah people okay so i have a family member
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: i'm not gonna name but this person believes like they
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: don't want to be cremated because that just means that
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: like god's gotta have all that extra work to put
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: them back together when he gets to heaven and i'm
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: like wait wait wait you understand like your body doesn't
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: go there right he's like well yeah it does because
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: like yeah this and this like people have so many
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: different beliefs as far as what death is and what
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: happens next and what it surrounds with. So yeah, like
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: costumes to scare the dead away. Cause like, I guess
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: the dead ain't at their final destination or something.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: And they're also scared of six year olds in, in
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: gremlin costume. Right.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Well, there's the idea of purgatory, right?
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: There's the idea that some don't want to cross over
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: yet because they're they're judging themselves too hard. And that's
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: why you get the whole idea of, well, usually the ones,
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: anytime there's a ghost story, like 99% of the time,
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: it's always like a negative.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Thing, right?
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Because the people haven't accepted or they don't want to
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: leave because sometimes it's addiction involved. So like if you're
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: a meth addict or a heroin addict or an alcoholic,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: or maybe like a sex addict, that it's said that
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: whenever you die and you're getting ready to transfer over
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: to the next realm or heaven or whatever you believe,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: that a lot of times that.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Addiction will keep you attached here.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: And that's where the spirits come from.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: That's a story.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: Anyway. Or something even like having a violent death. I
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: think you might not even realize you're dead. If you
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: got shot in the head, And it was an instant death.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: Are you going to you're going to be like, what
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: the fuck? Where the fuck am I? You might hang around.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Because you're like, am I even dead? Like, what just
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: happened right now? Yeah.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Well, it depends on what you think as far as,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: you know, who is coming to your bedside whenever you die.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: You know, is it is it going to be your
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: auntie or your uncle or your grandpa that has passed
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: or some kind of grim reaper to assist you? And
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: maybe it's different if you get shot in the head unexpectedly.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's different if you get run over by a
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: truck or something like that.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: See, we can hypothesize all of these things till the
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: cows come home. That's my point. Culturally speaking, relevant to
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: your background. Everybody's got a million interpretations of what happens next.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Who knows, man? I can't wait to find out. But,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: you know, until then.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: And then you have people who don't even know. They
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: don't even know if there is a next. But next
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: on my list. is one that turned into a whole
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: fucking Netflix series. Okay?
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: And the Netflix series was called Making a Murderer. I
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: don't know if you guys saw that on there.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I never watched it, but I've seen the bits of it.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: It was Teresa Hallback, and she was 25, murdered on
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Halloween 2005. Okay. And there is an ongoing debate over
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: the identity of her killer to this day. But a
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: guy named Stephen Avery was arrested and he's currently serving
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: a life sentence because they found her charred remains in
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: a burn pile on his property. But if you watch
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: this series and look at a lot of the evidence
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: that's come to light, he might actually have been framed.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: I know it sounds crazy, but it's one of those
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: Netflix series. You got to watch it till the end
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: and you're so sure it's him. And then you're kind
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: of like, no, there's no way it could be him.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: And so this did occur Halloween, 2005. No one's found
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: the definitive evidence to say, yes, it's Steven Avery, but
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: a lot of people do think it was him.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: So is it possible that, they just found her remains
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: on Halloween? Or is it possible that she died a
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: couple of days earlier? Or is it for sure that
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: the day that she got fried?
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: She was like some kind of a photographer. And she
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: called her friend on the way to Stephen Avery's home
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: because she was going to take some kind of photographs
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: for him. And then they found, and that was on Halloween.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: And then they found her body. I think the next
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: day or a couple of days later when she never
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: called back or returned home and she was in a
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: burn pile on his property. And they were like, okay,
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: we knew she was on her way to his house.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: We know she knew him and that she was going
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: to be alone there. And she's dead in a burn
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: pile on his yard. Guilty.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: See, that's another job that I'd never thought about before,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: but on-site photographers, they're that could be potentially very dangerous
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: for them, especially a young woman. Oh, fuck.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I've never thought about that. Like you hear about the,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: the massage therapist that will come to your home and
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: like that more or less these days is like a
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: sideline for prostitution. If you're looking at the right place,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: but like, that is dangerous as hell. We, we have
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: that one girl that died, uh, in LLP a couple
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: of years back doing that. I went to high school
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: with her. Right. Yeah.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: So she went over to, to give a quote unquote
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: massage straight.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: And it was understood that that's what she was doing.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it was handies or whatever, but
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: there was something sexual going on there for sure. And, um,
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: I guess she was, uh, she was actually engaged or,
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: or with somebody.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Right. And that was her pimp. Yeah. I went to
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: high school with both of them. And it was it
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: was so strange.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Nobody really expected this to be going on because she
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: seemed like such a nice girl. Right. That was my perspective.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: My perspective of her is that she wouldn't be doing
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: shit like that. But that being said, you know, an
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: aspiring masseuse.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Right. Going over.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: And the story was, is that she was always going
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: over to these people's houses. And not only would she
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: be pleasing them sexually, but it was always said that
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: she was going over there to steal.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Now, this is this is during the time where, you.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Know, bars like bars and, you know, all the different
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: kind of drugs were going on, like the mind numbing ones.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: And so what happened was, is that the guy actually
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: confessed and he even told the story.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: So whenever the cops showed up to his house.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Because the boyfriend or the pimp or whatever you want
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: to call him said that that was the last known location.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: The guy said, yeah, I killed her. And he was
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: just some guy that was living alone. He goes, yeah,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: I killed her. I stuffed her into a into a
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Tupperware container. or one of those big, uh, Rubbermaid containers. Yeah.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: And he goes, dude, he wrapped her in head, man.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He wrapped her inside of this plastic cellophane or something,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: and then stuffed her into a Rubbermaid thing and like
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: chopped her up and shit too is fucking brutal.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: What the fuck? Yeah.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: But it said that, uh.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: He goes, yeah, I killed her because she was fucking
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: stealing from me. Uh, he went, he was like, uh,
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: she was preparing all of, you know, the, the oils
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: and the towels and stuff like that. And he went
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: to the bathroom, I guess, to, uh, You know, just
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: just to go to the bathroom. And he comes back
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: and he notices that she's like stealing his laptop and
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: and hard drives and shit like that. And he's like,
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: all right, well, that's it. And he completely confessed.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, yeah.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: Instant death for you. I would have just called the cops,
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: but silly me.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, at that.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: Point, it's so much easier.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: He paid her to come over here for sex. He's
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: not thinking like she's got some sort of whole backstory
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: and a family that loves her and stuff. She's a
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: prostitute at this point. So at that time, you pretty
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: much see them as an object, I suppose. And he's like, oh, well,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I guess fuck this. Your pimp's going to have to
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: find a new employee. And said, fuck it. Didn't realize it. Wow, yeah.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: And that she like, yeah, anyway, anyway, neither here nor there.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: My point is, though, that type of work, I understand,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: has an inherent danger to it. I never thought about photographers.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: You think about that. A woman gets called to do
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: a photo shoot for some family or some client, whatever,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: goes alone. The place is verified, whatever. Dude, that's sketchy
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: as fuck.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: They could literally bash you over the head, stick you
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: in the trunk and drive off to wherever with you.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's gone.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Well, especially too, if you think about it, like it's
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: not always meeting at the house. Sometimes it's like out
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: in the field, sunflower.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: Very remote locations. Like, Hey, there's this horse farm, like
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: 20 miles away from here. That's just gorgeous for photos.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: You meet them there. They literally bash you over the head,
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: stick you in the trunk and they find your fucking
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: body two weeks later in a burn pile.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like this is a whole backstory to most
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: of the Law & Order series. I could be wrong.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: Or Criminal Minds.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Well, next thing you know, you're fucking pig feet, bro.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Like they said in the movie Stitch, do not trust
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: a man that has pigs on his farm. A pig farm?
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Like Lilo and Stitch? No, no, no. Stitcher. Excuse me. Okay.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: The British movie. Brad Pitt's the pikey fucking Irish boxer. Right. Remember,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: the mob boss was telling them, look, a pig can
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: eat a human body all the way down to the
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: teeth in 48 hours. Do not trust a man that
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: has a pig farm out of nowhere. Savages, bro. That's wild.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm not big on pork chops, bro. I'm
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: just going to be real with you. In Louisiana, in
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: most of our bodies, as a matter of fact, you
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: bury a body 18 inches below the surface and bury it.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: It's gone in three days, dude. Oh, yeah, the bacteria
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: just eats it alive. Or you could.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: Just feed them to the gators.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of a messy process, you know what
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: They might be picking and choosing. They find a hand here,
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: a foot there. You got some scraps left behind.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they just like rotten meat better than fresh meat.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, fuck. Oh, God.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: All right, next person.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Now... yeah beef smelt is a thing like you take
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: a rotten beef liver and squeeze them juices out in
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: the water he'll call them from all over these guys
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: on tv feeding them this fucking fresh chicken quarter like
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: yeah that's good for the ones at the zoo but
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: the ones in the bayou they want the sludge.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: They want the trash let it sit out in the
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: sun for a couple of days.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: How many of these gators that we found on trot
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: lines dude that fucking i don't know if you know
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: what a trot line is do you yes Okay, so
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: a trot line, you'll get a fucking turtle that'll snap
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: on there and get hooked. A gator will come and
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: snap onto that turtle and die. And that's a turtle
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: that's been dead for, like, weeks before that gator even
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: smelled it to come and fuck with it.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: Oh, fuck that.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: I eat gator bites.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I do love eating gator bites. Yeah, they're delicious. Have
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I had gator bites? Girl, I'm in Louisiana. What was
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: she talking about?
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God. I've probably eaten snapping turtle asshole that's
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: been rotted because friggin' their diet sucks.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: It does, but that's what they love. They don't want
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: no fresh vegetation. They want shit that's been dead for
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: a couple of days and is bloated. That's their shit.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Gator is the true chicken of the sea, bro. It's
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: the chicken of the bayou.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Actually, I think I bag you on some real shit. Nutri-Rad.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: That is the chicken of the bayou. Listen at me now.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: It is a fresh vegetation eating plant. herbivore it doesn't
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: touch trash the fact that it's called rat it's a
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: beaver that's got a stump tail dude it's one of
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: the ugliest creatures you'll ever lay eyes on and it
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: is so delicious and there is very little fat on
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: this thing the fucking fur is so waterproof and so
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: warm look i'm telling you nutarat although it is a
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: vermin and it is tearing up our ecosystem that in
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: my opinion is the chicken of the bayou dude Come
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: at me with some shit. I can't believe you've eaten
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: one of those nasty things. You're not a raccoon, but
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: that's too greasy. At that point, you've got to eat
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: before you grill it. It's a whole process. I don't
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: want to eat rocket raccoon, bro.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, man, yeah.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I know dudes that have raccoon dicks as toothpicks. They
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: wear it on their neck as necklaces. It's a bone. Oh,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: my God. Shit, I know a dude who lives in
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: my neighborhood. His nickname is Coon Dick. Of course it is.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: My God, see?
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: I feel like you guys eat like... Fried raccoon's asshole
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: on a stick or something.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I have had fried raccoon before, but it's not like
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: my every Tuesday meal. Like, I mean, there's way better
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: produce at the store. You know what I'm saying?
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: I feel you. I feel you. All right. Now, moving
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: on to our next victim here. And it's funny we
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: were talking about this, like, drowning and all this stuff
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: in the bayou. Because have you heard of the smiley
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: face killer?
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: I have. Let's go.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: Okay. Okay. So I've done a few episodes with William
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: Ramsey on the smiley face killer, and people really don't
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: even want to admit that it is a killer. They
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: just say that they're accidental drownings, that they're not correlated
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: or connected in any way, that they just keep finding
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: the same, around the same age college student men face
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: down in a ravine or somewhere in water, shallow water too.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: And they always say accidental drowning, but it's, kind of
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: a cult, not kind of, it is a cult in nature.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: And William Ramsey has talked about how they have to
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: be connected because someone can't be dying in the same
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: way over and over and over and over and over again.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: And it not be related, I guess, you know? Yeah.
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: It's the same MO. Now, actually there's one, Chris Jenkins is,
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: And he disappeared the night of Halloween in 2002. And
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: he was discovered four months later in the Mississippi River,
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: still in his Halloween costume with all the same characteristics
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: as the other smiley face murder victims.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Whoa. That lines up. Okay.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: So what our theory is, is that they keep them
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: somewhere and torture them for a very long time. And
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: then they dump their bodies somewhere in water.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. That would, that would check out. Now the
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: body I'm assuming like they're, and that's the thing, depending
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: on how long it is before they're found, you can
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: never tell like how much mutilation had happened prior to
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: time of death. And like, you can generalize things a
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: certain way, but there's, it's really, really difficult to get
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: a real estimate on that type of thing. Whenever you
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: have a body that's been out for God knows how long.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: Bloated, discolored.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: And the people who were with Chris that night say
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: that he was actually walking by himself out of a
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: bar because they went to a bar for a Halloween party.
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: They were all in costumes. They broke off, split off.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: He was walking alone down the sidewalk and they never
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: saw him again. And then he turns up four months
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: later in the Mississippi River face down, still in his
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: Halloween costumes.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Now, that's all I was going to say. Did the
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: body look like it had been there for months or
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: like it had just been there?
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: Like maybe a week. Oh. So, I mean, it was
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: still bloated and decomposing, but he hadn't been in there
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: for months, if you know what I'm saying.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Remind me again what area of the country was this?
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: So I didn't write that down. I have that. He
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: was found in the Mississippi River and he was killed
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: in 2002. So people can go and look up Chris Jenkins, though.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: They say that they've never been able to find his murderer.
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: But if you know what we know, the smiley face
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: killer is very occult in nature. And there's probably a
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: group of people working together all around the country doing
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: this to young men.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's well, especially then it was a pretty common
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: thing about the whole smiley face killer or killers.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: What was that? There was a show that it came out.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: I was like only on Facebook. I could find it.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: And it was a whole backstory like this teenage girl
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: that was pretty much her parents are both members of
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: the smiley face cult. And the man was like a
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: burlap sack with like two black eyes and a black
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: smiley face. All these adults from around this little town
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: would come together and meet. And it was a cult.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: that would do all kinds of these things. And basically
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: their whole premise was to be anti-victimhood. Like as soon
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: as one of the, even within themselves in their own ranks,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: if a member ever tried to take a stance of, Oh,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: woe is me in any way, like they would infight
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: and kill them immediately. Like they did not put up
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: with the victimhood people that would not take charge of
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: their life. to such a degree were the victims of
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: these killings. And it was a whole thing. This teenage
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: girl was like taking vlogs and she was like trying
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: to have normal teenage experiences, but couldn't because her parents
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: were fucking, you know, a cultist serial killers. It was
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: a whole thing. It was the whole thing. And we
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: went over like two seasons. Jesus. Well, you know, it
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: was based on this or not, but it sounds like it. Yeah.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: Didn't they enforce Gump? They pretty much said Forrest Gump
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: was responsible for this smiley face. Enforcer.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, No, there was a T-shirt that went around in
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: the 70s that had a smiling face and said, have
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: a nice day. That was the reference to that. It
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: was one of those things that our parents understood watching
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: the show, but we didn't. Just like the bumper sticker
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: right after that. The shit happens one. That was a really,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: really popular bumper sticker for that day and age. But
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: our generation never saw that growing up.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, because I know when I was little, there would
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: be a person at Walmart that would greet you and
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: give you a smiley face sticker.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I remember that. There was also a wrestler
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: back in the day called Mankind.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: And he was the one that wore, like, the mask,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: but it was, like, straps and shit. Yeah, the leather straps,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: because his face was all mangled or whatever.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Well, no, I mean, well, that was the idea, but
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: that's not how it was. Right.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: But anyway, it's Mick Foley, but he always wore the
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: T-shirt that said, have a nice day with the smiley
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: face on it, too.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Like, they licensed it to certain people, and I think
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Walmart actually finally got the whole license to that smiley face,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: or at least theirs. You know what I mean?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: They had those smiley face stickers. They'd give you one
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: every time they were all over the fucking carts and shit.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: And what's weird. Well, not weird because it makes sense,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: but every victim they have found of the smiley face killer,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: when they look, there's a smiley face somewhere nearby. So
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: that's the premise behind it is the symbolism behind the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: smiley face. Every victim. If you look hard enough, you'll
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: find one carved in a tree. You'll find one spray
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: painted on the wall. it's there where, wherever you look.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: But so this next one, this next one, I feel
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: like is really going to get you guys because I
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: was very surprised. Not more people know about this. Have
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: you ever heard of Martha Moxley?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, but I'm drawing a blank as to why I
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: might be getting her and Lindsay Borden confused. I'm be
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: honest with you. You will, you.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: Will be surprised. So 1975, So we had 1973, Lisa
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: Ann French, 1974, Timothy O'Brien, 1975, Martha Moxley, 15 years old.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: She was found dead on her family's property in the
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: affluent neighborhood of Greenwich, Connecticut.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Another Greenwich.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: Another Greenwich. Her family came to suspect that she'd been
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: murdered by their teenage neighbor, Michael Skakel. So what's so
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: interesting about Michael Skakel? He turns out to be the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: nephew of Robert Kennedy.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, get out of here. Mm hmm.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: By way of his wife, Ethel. So he grew up
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: in the Kennedy family.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: It's said Michael spent most of October 30th with Martha
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: Moxley and his 17-year-old brother Tommy. But he says at
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: some point they left and went to their cousin's house
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: and Martha went home. And he doesn't know what happened
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: to her after that. But on Halloween the next day,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: Martha was found dead under a tree in her backyard.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: She'd been bludgeoned and stabbed with a golf club. to
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: such an extent that the golf club had shattered. And
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: investigators searched the scene and they found a matching golf
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: club in the Skakel residence. Wah, wah.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: They just covered that. You know they covered that shit up.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: You know it had to be him.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: If there's any connection to the Kennedys, we have to
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: cover this up with government money immediately. We cannot let
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: the image of the Kennedy name be tarnished. Well, it
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: was mafiotized as well. Exactly.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: And so, well, especially since, you know, depending on what
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: story you believe about Marilyn Monroe, One of the stories is,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: is that, you know, whenever she quote unquote overdosed in
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: her room, right?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: I think that was Jackie. I think that was Jackie's revenge.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: It could have been. I don't think so. Because the
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: story goes that.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: Not only was Marilyn Monroe sleeping with JFK, but also
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: RFK too.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: And supposedly JFK or RFK set a little bedside secrets
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: and Marilyn Monroe was going to be exposing that shit.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: And she goes, look, I'm going to come out and
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: say it. She announced it. I hate when they do that.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: I'm going to, I'm going to tell the government secrets.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: And then you're surprised whenever you show up dead the
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: next day, um, before you ever even get the chance
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: to say anything. But the, the, the crazy part is,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: is that she ends up, uh, she ends up being
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: found dead. And what most people actually track it back
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: to is that RFK is the one that was. The
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: one that actually ended up killing her, um, whether it
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: be by the, the pills or the.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Alcohol or whatever.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: So I'm not even surprised that this is another RFK
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: related thing.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: And now RFK Jr. is trying to run for president.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of here. This would be his cousin.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: That is insane. His first cousin, if that is correct,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: is a absolute murderer, was like found, but then was
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: pushed under the rug and he killed her with a
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: golf club.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: It was pushed under the rug so fucking fast and
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: they never found anyone else who they could even remotely
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: tie it to.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: And let's not forget that the Kennedy family lobotomized the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: youngest sister of the Kennedy. Sure.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: The fuck did I did do like, um, I did
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: a three hour episode on what really happened to Marilyn
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: Monroe for the listeners. I'm actually going to revive it
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: and add some more information because I got autopsy reports.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: I got, it's fucking crazy.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Um, We need you for that. We need you for that.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: And I need, I want to bounce one off you.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: And this is just a Jacob theory. This is not
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: founded in any type of fact.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: Will you be mad if I say you're wrong?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: No, not at all. This is just a theory, but
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: I also know the wrath of a scorned white woman. Okay.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: This is something I know very well. I am throwing
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: out a hypothetical. Okay. Keep in mind Jackie O and
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: who was a RFK or a Robert Kennedy's wife, whoever, Ethel.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Okay. These women were equally as connected as their husbands.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: They were equally welcomed and beloved by the country. They
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: had pull whether they wanted to actually let that be
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: known or not. So is it a crazy concept to
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: think that both of these women, to protect their husband's image,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: to protect their marriage's images, and to protect all the
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: business dealings that would have blown the lid off of
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: everything for them as well, that these white women didn't
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: decide to handle up? on behalf of their dead husbands
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: on some, like, baby girl keeping it ten toes down
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: and holding down for their men and they're covering the
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: tracks and all that shit. I'm just throwing out a hypothetical.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: As a theory, it's not that far-fetched. It's not, um....
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: If I'm able to do the full breakdown with you guys,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: it's very extensive. And I feel like you will walk
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: away knowing 100% with absolute certainty what happened to her.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: That's my thing. That's what I do. There are no
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: questions left unanswered. You will know everything that happened that night.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: But could it have been said ladies though?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: Maybe. So the weird thing is, is Marilyn Monroe died
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: just a few days after she sang happy birthday to
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: the president in that iconic dress that Kim Kardashian later wore.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: And so they were both still alive when she died.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: And Robert Kennedy actually paid a visit to her house
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: the morning of her death.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: People do suspect that he had something to do with it.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: We, I can't wait to have you come on, come
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: on the cult and just do that whole Marilyn Monroe
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: show that I love getting like talking about Marilyn Monroe
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: because it kind of still is like a, it's a,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: it's a huge conspiracy, bro.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Like there's so many details. It's like, it's like the
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: game clue. There's so many levels to it. The more
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: you dig in, the more mystery there is surrounding it. It's,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: it's a very fun one to talk about for sure.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: You guys will enjoy it. So we'll have to set
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: it up. Cause I, I really have a lot of
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: stuff on her. Um, And I actually was going to
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: be so disappointed if our audio issues messed up this
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: next one because it's the last one, the last Halloween murder.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: And I feel like it's the craziest tie back of
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: all time. But so we're going to be talking about
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: Shirley Ledford. I don't know if you've ever heard of her.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: And she's the Halloween murder victim of the Toolbox Killers.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, the ones that stab them, people up with them,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: the screwdrivers?
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: Listen to this shit, okay? I had actually never heard
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: of the toolbox killers until I did this research, which
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: for how gruesome and depraved their killings were, I'm surprised
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: I hadn't heard of them before.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: So i guess how old are.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: You i'm 28.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Okay so were you privy to the internet around the
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: time of two girls one cup yeah yeah okay so
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: I have to ask that. Sorry to trigger anybody out there,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: but that's a good indication as to what generation of
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Internet wildness you were exposed to. You know what I'm saying? Right.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: So I remember once upon a time, these Russian teens,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: it was like discovered that they were they were called
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: the toolbox killers. And we weren't watching the videos of
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: them of what they it was more or less like
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: the story from Russia or from some country. I never
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: actually knew if it was Russia or Germany or what.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: But basically these kids were just like abusing these people
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: with screwdrivers and hammers and all this shit. And not
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: just them. They started with like dogs, went into these
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: old people, and then they finally were caught. We saw
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: clips of these videos because that was what was allowed
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: on YouTube at the time. But it wasn't like raw footage.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: It was like a news article, but it was Russian.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: So it showed like the shit.
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  Speaker 4: Dude, they must have named themselves after the toolbox killer's
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: namesake because they were rampant in the 70s.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: Whoa. Okay. Wow.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah. You guys are going to fucking freak out. Okay.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: So by October 31st, 1979, Lawrence Bitteker and Roy Norris,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: the so-called toolbox killers had already killed four women.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: And their last victim they took on Halloween was, And
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: these fucking devils abducted a 16-year-old girl named Shirley Lynette Ledford,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: picked her up while she was hitchhiking on the side
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: of the road, took her to a secluded location, and
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: they tortured her to death. But the way that they
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: did it, the way that they did it. I have
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: never heard anything like this in my entire life. And again,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: trigger warning. Okay. Just for anybody who this it's too gruesome.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: They don't want to hear it. Just skip about 20
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: seconds ahead in the episode. Okay.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: She was raped, sodomized. They smashed her elbows with sledgehammers
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: into pieces and they twisted her tits.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Off with, Oh, they used to be a medieval torture type.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: They have a device made specifically for that.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: They twisted her tits with pliers and miraculously she lived.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: She lived through all of that. Whoa.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: That's a medieval purple nurple. Well, the device was for
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: the entire boob, not just like the nipple. Like it
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: was a whole, they have like, it's like claws. Oh, what? Yeah.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: That sounds even worse.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: It's like a medieval titty twister. But that was not
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: her official cause of death. Her official cause of death
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: is she lived through all of that other stuff and
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: they strangled her to death with a coat hanger.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Fuck.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: After they did all of that.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: That poor girl.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: And I'm sure like me, everyone wants to know What
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: happened to these fuck sticks?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: So get this shit. Damningly, they fucking recorded the entire
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: mutilation on video and then showed it to their friends
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: and bragged about it. And it made one of them
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: so fucking sick to watch it that they ran immediately
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: and told police.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: What was the age range with these individuals?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: They were in their 20s.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. I'm telling you, a slow torturer's death
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: is what they deserve.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: So the tape of Ledford's prolonged torture was played for
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: the jurors at the trial in 1981. And the prosecutor
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: told the jurors before he started the tape For those
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: of you who do not know what hell looks like,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: you will find out. That's what he said before he
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: played the tape. And during the playing of the tape,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: the jurors threw up. They cried. They had to leave.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was awful. So Lawrence Bitteker was sentenced
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: to death and Roy Norris, this little shitbag, agreed to
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: testify against Lawrence, and he was just sentenced to life
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: in prison.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: See, that's why the movie Law Abiding Citizen was a thing.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Literally this.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean, so the toolbox killers have since died,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: but even Bideker sat in fucking death row until 2019.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: And Roy Norris died in 2020. And apparently they inspired
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: these other killers.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Rushing kids or whatever they did in the two thousands.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: So this is what caught my attention and why I
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: have to bring this up to you guys. I wanted
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: to do some more deep diving because you don't get
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: these type of psychopaths just in your run of the mill,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: you know, psycho, this is to the next level. I mean,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: twisting somebody's tits off and doing all that. This is
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: some crazy ass shit. Is it design type shit? So,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: I began my research. Lawrence Bitteker, born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: put up for adoption as an infant and raised by
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: adoptive parents.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be this way, bro. Look, man,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: it sucks. And it sucks that it's in Pittsburgh. I'm
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: from Pittsburgh. But at the same time, he was a
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: child of the system.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: He was a child of the system. That's kind of
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: where I was getting it. And from what it sounds like,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: his adoptive father was in the military or Air Force
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: or something like that. And they moved around a lot.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: And he got in a ton of trouble as a
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: kid all the way into adulthood. I mean, his rap
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: sheet was like a mile long, but so was Roy Norris.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: The weird thing is Roy Norris was born in Greeley, Colorado,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: like not even remotely close to each other. But his
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: parents were like drug addicted scumbags. So Roy was in
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: and out of foster care his entire life. He was
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: sexually abused by his foster parents. And that led to
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: his deviant sexual behavior. But here's where it gets me.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: He ended up dropping out of high school, joined the U.S.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: Navy and served in the Vietnam War.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've said this before, like the, the parameters to
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: check if somebody is crazy or not before sending them
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: into war is not what they should be. I've said
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: this before, man, the Marine Corps, I'm telling you has
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: taken some people that they really shouldn't have, but they
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: would fill a specific. Well, you know what I mean?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: If you read the book program to kill by David McGowan,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: you'll notice how a lot of people were normal or
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: maybe had a little something wrong with them. until after
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: they get out of the army. And then you have
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, like all the main, main, main
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: serial killers, they were in the military.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of brainwashing that goes on in there,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: but then there's also, you know, there's the PTSD.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's secret government programs that go on. Maybe
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: they see a Jeffrey Dahmer type and they're like, yeah,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: that one put him in Project Monarch.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: And see, that's the thing. I can only speak to
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: the military circa 2010 to 2014 and only to my
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: small section of the overall pie that is the United
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: States Department of Defense. You know what I mean? But
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: all that to say, we have so many stories of
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: shit that was going down in the 60s, 70s, 80s,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: 90s by our Department of Defense. Now, I don't know
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: what it was and wasn't going down while I was in.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: The stuff that I did see, I wasn't really particularly
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: fond of. But as far as the dark web government,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: or dark web, the in the shadow realm's government entities
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: and programs that operate. We have so many stories about
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: how these things have played out to this day. I mean, yeah,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: this is not crazy to me. And I mean, it
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: also makes sense that a certain person could be used
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: strategically if guided and molded the proper way. I understand this.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: The argument I always make is when you look at
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: some of these big ones that they always make Netflix
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: documentaries on like Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer, There are
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: so many killers out there that have done just as
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: heinous of crimes, but they don't get their own Netflix special.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: And I almost wonder if they're not proud of these guys. Like,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: they are homegrown. Like, hey, look what we created. They
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: were both in the military. And so these two fuckbags
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: actually end up raping and assaulting their way in and
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: out of jail over the years. And actually Norris, the
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: one who served in Vietnam... was diagnosed by the military
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: psychologist with schizoid personality disorder, or DID, dissociative identity disorder.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, I could see that. That checks out.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: You know, and this is around the same time, right? Like,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: you remember the movie Full Metal Jacket, right?
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Vietnam. And that was.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: Stanley Kubrick filmed it.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: The one dude killed himself, right? Think about that. That
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: was the military at that time. That was the boot
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: camp and training at that time. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: You have to literally turn off your emotions in order
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: to get through those kind of times, I think.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: You have to turn off your humanity switch.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: Which can lead to murder later on if you have
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: no humanity whatsoever and you just want to feel something.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: I'll probably do that for you.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: But so they have a group tailed for the record.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Am I listening? I'm not shitting on the entire military.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: They have to make blanket statements. But what I will
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: say is when you see a certain correlation between events
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: happening over and over and over again, in this case,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: serial killers and being in the military and all of
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: them having some type of like dissociative identity disorder, I'm
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: sure Jeffrey Dahmer did. I'm sure Ted Bundy did. I mean,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: they acted one way with their family and then at
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: nighttime they turned into the boogeyman. I mean, that's not
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: that's almost you have to program that into somebody just
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: like with Project Monarch and this SRA type abuse.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of like mental health issues, right?
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: Like how many veterans per day are killing themselves, right?
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: There's a lot. It's high as fuck, bro. But I
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: will say this also to any parents listening that children
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: may be looking to join the military. Understand that, yes,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: these things in the past were as bad as you're
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: thinking of. The horror stories of boot camp and like
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: a platoon of recruits were marched into a river and
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: like were drowned. Because they were just following orders of
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: the drill instructor. They were fearful of their life from it. Yes,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: these things have happened. However, these days, things have gotten
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: a lot better. They have more humanity about it. They
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: are allowed more free time. It's different. It's still brainwashing
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: and it's still training them to be a better person
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: and a more productive person. But it has been geared
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: more towards the individual of today's world. I agree and
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: disagree with that to certain respects and to certain points.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: Well, I agree with you, but I think... In my
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: conspiracy mind, I think it's just become more compartmentalized.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: I feel like there's the military for people that are
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: going to do military stuff, and then they have all
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: these compartmentalized projects where you have to be a certain
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: type of individual to even get access to these special
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: projects and programs.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure. Anything in the intelligence? anything with counterintelligence,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: even within the Department of Defense, understand that's that secret
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: squirrel shit that we don't know about. Your random admin
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: clerk is not a part of the system.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: Thank you. That's exactly what I'm going for. They have
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: these compartmentalized things that you have to be selected for
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: in order to know about that kind of stuff. The
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: weird thing... How do we get this guy from Colorado
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: and this guy from pretty much nowhere because he grew
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: up all over the U.S., meeting. They're both psychopaths. And
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: how did they form this union? And the circumstances in
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: which they met make no sense whatsoever. It's all very, very,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: very vague. And the information that you can find glazes
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: over the meeting at all. You almost can't find a
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: story on how they met. Um, but what I did
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: find is they're actually the originators of the white rape van,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: the GMC Vandura.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know this is where it started. The
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: free candy van was started by these fucks in Colorado
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: or where'd they start?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: Um, I'm going to get to that in just a second,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: but they did started. They are the originators of the
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: white rape van and they nicknamed it. They're Rape Van
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: Murder Mac, M-A-C. So do you all know about Mickey
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: Mouse and like the Mac the Knife shit and all that?
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit, but just go over it for
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: everybody that's listening.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: So the morbid origins of Mack the Knife include murder, rape,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: killing children, so on and so forth. And this was
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: an actual person who ran rampant and they actually had
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: a song written about him. And there's two versions of
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: the song. There's more of like a theater type song.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: And then there's a song that Frank Sinatra and some
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: more popular singers, Mack the Knife song. But it's based
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: on a real dude. Who raped and killed children and
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: murdered people. And his nickname was Mackie Messer. And you
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: can kind of guess from that where Mickey Mouse came from.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: Because it was actually going to be Mackie Mouse after
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: Mackie Messer. But then they changed it to Mickey Mouse.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: He was also known to wear white gloves. Yeah.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: Which a lot of the Disney characters are. And you're
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: saying that this killer also was known wearing those white gloves?
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: Wow. Oh, wow.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: And they named their rape van Murder Mac.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: And now, of course, nowadays, well, not nowadays, but always
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: has been. Think of the ice cream truck. It's always
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: the rape van, bro. Every single time.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: Anything that attracts children like that is something that is
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: immediately going to appear sus.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: But then, like, the ice cream man, like, it depends
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: because there's been how many of these have been poisoning kids?
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: Or just taking them on board. Yeah.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: The reason that they use this GMC Vandura and they
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: are the originators of it is because they mostly pick
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: their victims up while they were hitchhiking. So they would
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: just slide the door over, grab them, pull them in,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: close the door back.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: And so getting back to like the origins of like
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: how they met. Again, is it by fate or design
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: that these two end up finding their way to each
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: other in no other than the great state of California? Ah.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: In the Laurel Canyon area.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: Here we go. Oh, no. There's so much that ties
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: back to Laurel Canyon, dude. It's like Rome when it
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: comes to this time period in American history. All roads
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: lead back to Laurel Canyon.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: It's like, how many times do we have to see,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: you know, Bill Gates and George Soros involved in sketchy shit?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: It's like, it's Laurel Canyon.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: And what do we know about Laurel Canyon and the military?
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: So that is why I ask you, does that play
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: a part to do with how they ended up becoming murderers?
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, they ran rampant in Los Angeles in the
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: Laurel Canyon area, and then they dumped their victims an
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: hour away in the San Gabriel. mountains yeah i mean
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: it's just to me it sounds even ritualistic.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: That's a very ritualistic area those mountains are seen from
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: you could look back at all the tribes that were
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: native to that area hundreds of years ago those mountains
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: are very very.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: Symbolic i mean and these are halloween rituals so to
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: say right if they're happening on halloween And then doing
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: a ritualistic thing. These two people not coming from any
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: part of the same country and then meeting up in
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: fucking California at Laurel Canyon and.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: Doing some of the most ritualistic shit ever. Of course
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: And their last victim, their very last victim before they
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: were locked up forever and then died was on Halloween.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: It was Shirley Ledford. Wow.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Okay. So this was the one that got them finally caught.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, you're talking about the originators of the rape
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: van coming out of the Laurel Canyon. We're talking about
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: Murder Mac and Mac the Knife and shit coming out
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: of the Laurel Canyon. I mean, I'm so sick of
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: harping on this one subject and like trying to get
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: people to understand that it's all connected. And something as
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: simple as me Googling Halloween murders has led me back
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: to the canyon.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: It'd be like that. it's really fucked, but it'd be
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: Well, and then too, I mean, you've come on our
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: show before and you've talked about Disney and the dissociation
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: that happens within, you know, the abduction of kids. They, they,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: they say, well, you know, don't act like this. You're
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: not you right now. You're Cinderella right now.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: And so you tie us back into making that Mickey
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: Mouse is where it all started anyway.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: Yes. From a murderer. That's a new one for me.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: Knife. Yeah. And the craziest thing, too, about their tie
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: in with, of course, as you all know, NASA. But
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: it's just. The military angle, people like to talk about
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: how Warner Von Braun and Walt Disney and Stanley Kubrick
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: were a trio of sorts, and they were all besties
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: and whatever. And they love to talk about the shining,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: but they forget about Full Metal Jacket. Yeah. That's dissociation.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: What is he trying to really tell us in that movie?
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: And then when they're walking back, they're singing the Mickey
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Mouse song. Boom.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: I was going to say it. I was going to
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: say it.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: Why am I? You see Mickey Mouse, Mickey Mouse. They're
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: all saying that as they're walking through a school. Yeah.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: Told you.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: There are no coincidences, dude. There really aren't. Just saying.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: No, but I mean, that's what I have. That's what
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: I have for you guys tonight. So I feel like
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: just to kind of go back over it, we had
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: the son of Sam. We have a relative of the Kennedys,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: the smiley face killer, Laurel Canyon. It's all culminating here
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: on Halloween. And I just have to ask you guys again,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: the the ritualistic significance of this holiday it goes beyond
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: what you would imagine.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: Absolutely oh my god dude and so it's like you
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: know we've talked about this before about um uh you
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: know uh all those Christian parents that didn't want their
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: kids watching Harry Potter.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: And turns out like, right. There was a reason come
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: to find out they were correct. And now Allen's shit
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: was directly from the, the demonica and from Wicca and
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: like was two thirds of those books. References to magic
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: were direct quotes from demonic magic. Come to find out.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: It's like, damn it. You mean them Bible belt mamas
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: were on some shit.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: And now the same Christian parents have said for years
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: that we've scoffed at Oh, we don't celebrate Halloween in
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: this house.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: That's up the devil. But even though the church will
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: still put on a fall fest, like, all right, you're
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: calling it a different trunk or treat.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: Trunk or treats. Like you're doing the same shit just
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: because it's on church property. Now it's Christian.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: Like, come look, that's what happened with all saints day.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: Sick and tired of taking the fun shit out of,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: of Halloween. So they start incorporating it into all saints day.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: And now here we are.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: Always tell people each year that my mom passed away.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: I think you guys know that. But me and my
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: mom were besties and she loved Halloween and she loved
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: watching scary movies. My love for horror movies comes from
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: my mom. And so every time around this year, as
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: soon as I light my first pumpkin candle, I just
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: feel like connected to her and reminiscent of my childhood
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: and being with her. But the ritualistic aspect of it
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: is the tolerance portion. As a Christian, you would say
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: that that's the tolerance portion. So you want to have
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: fun and you want to do these things, but you're
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: tolerating a certain level of evil in your home.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, but I also don't believe that lighting a pumpkin
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: spice candle is indicatively evil.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: People accuse me of that though, because I decorate my
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: house for, I put pumpkins and shit everywhere. And like,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: I like to sell, I dress up for Halloween and
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: I do all this. And they're like, how can you
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: say that all this stuff is demonic and then you
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: still do it? And I'm like, everyone has this level
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: of tolerance. For me, it's about your intent.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: Or people can mind their goddamn business and let God
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: be the judge on my spirit. I don't know.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: This is my lowly perspective. People be all up in
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: other people's Kool-Aid, don't even know what flavor it is,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: talking about this red. Bitch, it's green anyway. You don't
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: even fucking know. Right.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: No, I do feel like that, though. I feel like
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: they're low-key calling me a hypocrite.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, I get called that a lot. I feel this.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: I feel this.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like, oh, you're such a hypocrite. You still
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: do Halloween stuff, even though you talk about how demonic
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: it is. And I'm like, am I intent when I
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: do Halloween stuff and dress up? I really just want
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: to have fun with my friends and family. I'm not
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: worshiping the devil. I'm not doing ritual sacrifices. That's not me.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: That being said, it is said that whenever you're celebrating Halloween,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: It is to be within the holiday spirit, dare I say.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying. The spirit of Halloween. But look, at
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: the same time, I will say this. Yes, by nature,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: humans are tribal creatures.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: Right. Whenever there's some kind of, I'm not going to
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: say ritual. I don't think Halloween is a ritual. Yeah,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: it's a cultural thing.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: And it's exciting. It's something that everybody does.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: We all collectively celebrate Halloween for the most part.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: At least here in America. Yeah. And it's it's more
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: of a fun thing. Now, if you're one of those.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: People that likes to take it the extra step and start,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: you know, you want to have some Halloween parties and
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: you want to whip out the Ouija board for good
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: old time's sake. And you want to pull out the
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: spirits out of the liquor cabinet and, you know, and
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: you want to pull out your your I don't know, maybe.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: I don't believe, I don't believe this personally, but if
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: you want to pull out your tarot deck, right. And
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: invoke some spirits, right. You don't believe that personally. I,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: I think done the right way. I think done the right.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: I'm saying that I don't believe that tarot is inhibitively
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: like always bad. Um, but what I'm saying is, but if,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: if not done with the right intent, you know, some
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: things can be skewed. Right.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: Like, that's just how how. And you're also talking about
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: how the veil is at its thinnest. All right.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: Allegedly, it's understood like it's in the fall time where
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: we're essentially during that time. we're kind of really getting
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: ready for winter, right? It's the fall into the winter almost.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: It's the harvest season.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: It was a time of big feasting and festivals, regardless
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: of what culture you're from. Fall time is when the big,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: big harvest would happen before you go in for winter, right?
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: Very few crops grow in winter. So this was the
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: time that when you would have this big harvest, you'd
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: have a big feast to celebrate a good harvest, to
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: give homage to the God, to gods, whatever your flavor is,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: to thank them for a bountiful harvest before everything dies
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: off in winter. Absolutely. So it's a very transitional period
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: of time.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: From my perspective, I thrive in the fall because no
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: matter what time of year it is, I'm already watching
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: horror movies. I'm already, you know, I don't really love
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: summer activities because I get overheated and then I get
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: homicidal and I just like, fuck all that shit.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: I hate the summer.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: It's starting to get cold outside. You got your little
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: sweater on. You watch horror movies. You go drink hot
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: chocolate and cider and shit. I thrive in the fall
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: because those are things I already like to do. And
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: it's just that one month of the year where you're like, oh, fuck,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: it's October now. I get to, you know, be a
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: horror movie freak, like a freak and fucking do all
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: the things, you know. And then November is my birthday month.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: So I kind of drag it out into November. I'm like,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: we're having a Halloween dress up party for my birthday
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: this year.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: But it's just like the intent that you have. Like,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: I just love having fun and like, Actually, are you
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: guys horror movie fans?
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: I am. I'm a fan of like the slasher types,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: anything involving demonic and witcher or not witcher. Excuse me.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: I love the witcher, but like the omen and the,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of, but as far as like,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: I've seen snippets and I know enough of the plot
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: to get the references. It's just not my jam.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: Okay. So, so here, here's what I propose to you all.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: If you have time, I've created a game. And no
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: one's ever seen this game before Cosmic Peach podcast. I've
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: only played it one other time. But for your Patreon listeners,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: I'm very willing to pull this game up for you
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: all and play it in just the festiveness of the episode.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. Well, is this the game show we played
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: last time? It was like the horror movie trivia.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: This one is more fun.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: All right. All right. Let's do it. Let's go.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right. So I will bid farewell to all
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: my listeners on my end, and then hopefully we will
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: catch you over on the Patreon, where we have Jonathan
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: and Jacob playing Pick Your Poison.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome. Thank you so much.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: And also, since we are going to be wrapping this up,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: this is going to be part of the after show
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: for the Cult of Conspiracy, and you'll be able to
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: see this whether you're on Rockfin or Patreon. Um, but
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: that being said, Julia, thanks so much. This was a awesome,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: awesome swap cast. We love getting with you anytime we can,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: because you always just bring so much fun to the
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: show in a lot of detail.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: You're very well read. Yes. Very well prepared.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: And anybody that, you know, we have a lot of
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: people that always reach out and they say, I would
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: love to come onto your show.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Can I, can I come onto the show? Look, if
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: you're as well read as Julia with the cosmic.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: Beach, you're welcome every day of the week.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: Um, but that being said, uh, Julia, if you could,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: can you let our listeners know exactly where to find
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: your podcast?
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: Thank you. And I'm flattered. Thank you so much. I'm
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 4: a longtime fan of the cult of conspiracy. So I'm
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: so honored to call you guys besties. Um, I am
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts, Apple, I
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: have a YouTube and it's just cosmic peach podcast. And
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: I'm on Instagram, cosmic.peach.podcast. Of course, most of my listeners
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: already know where to find you because they found me
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: from you. So, but just in case, would you mind
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: letting the listeners know where they can find the cult
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: of conspiracy?
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: So we're on podcastplayers.com. Um, whether it's Spotify or Apple or, um,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: you know, you name it, we're on all of them. Um, uh,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: also we are, we have a Patreon and a, uh,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: rock fan and that's, we have those for the people
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: that contribute to the show, the, the, the lovers of
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: the show that want to keep seeing this thing grow. Um,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: and what we do special for our, our, um, our
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: watchers on there, our cult members on there is that
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: we have a before and an after show for every
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: single show out there. Now, sometimes we don't have time
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: to do both of them.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: So maybe we'll just do one. That's very rare.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: We're usually always doing the before and after show. And
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: it's always kind of just a live look in on,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: you know, uh, us talking not even really relatively about
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: the topic at hand. It's usually just about what's going
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: on in life or just theories that we have. it's
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: just a way to get a little bit to us.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: And so, um, and we also do live, uh, once
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: a month, uh, where we invite, um, uh, our third
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: eye all the way open tier members on, uh, Patreon.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: And and what we do is we go live once
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  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely, we should. And it's understood at this point.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: It's a very good closeout of the show.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: And there is.
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• 1:39:52
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