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Ep. 338: The Biggest Buck in the USA · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is Me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely
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  Speaker 1: for every hunt first like go farther, stay longer, all right, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: super special guests singer songwriter Dustin Huff who also might
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  Speaker 1: be known you like that just playing up? Singer song
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  Speaker 1: who happens to have who happens to be the new
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  Speaker 1: typical white tail record holder. Yep, I gotta get lucky sometimes, dude,
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  Speaker 1: it's a big deal. Yeah, it's been nuts, man, This
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  Speaker 1: past six months been crazy. Here you guys sitting with
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  Speaker 1: a huff Buck T shirt on you like never like
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  Speaker 1: a dude of the buck named after. Never thought that
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting would turn into a business. Uh, we are
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  Speaker 1: like your your friends with Luke Combs, and Luke contacted
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  Speaker 1: me one night, texted me one night being like holy shit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and at the time, you guys thought it was a
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  Speaker 1: state record. Yeah, we just thought it was state hm
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  Speaker 1: m m. Yeah. He called me at two in the
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  Speaker 1: morning the night I killed it. I assume he was
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  Speaker 1: getting on bus call after a tour and I had
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  Speaker 1: sent it the picture to Ray Fulter, one of our
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  Speaker 1: buddies that we used to tour with, and he's still
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  Speaker 1: tours with Luke and uh I sent Ray that picture
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  Speaker 1: of the deer because I didn't post it that night.
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  Speaker 1: I just tweeted, I think I killed the Indiana state record. Now, okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna get into this whole story. How did you think?
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  Speaker 1: But real quick, why did you think it was that
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  Speaker 1: just because someone rough scored it? Yeah? I had a
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  Speaker 1: buddy come over that that evening after I killed it,
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  Speaker 1: and he undershot it. Yeah, that's a good friend. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he had like to thirteen, which he had never scored.
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  Speaker 1: He was like his first time scoring, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: big deer and what did it come in at thirteen
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  Speaker 1: is what he had? But no, no, no, that's what
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  Speaker 1: he had. It was two eleven and four eights net
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  Speaker 1: to sixteen four or to sixteen and two eights gross. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so so he alright, so he overshot the actual Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but how did you not immediately realize because you didn't
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  Speaker 1: look at National You just looked at Indiana. I just
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  Speaker 1: looked at Indiana. I googled Indiana state record because I
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  Speaker 1: had never looked at world records or anything. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: felt like distinctly Indiana, And I was like, well, hell,
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  Speaker 1: this might be Indiana. But and it crushed it right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: by like eight ten inches or something. Ye tenant maybe
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  Speaker 1: even more so. The only typical white tail bigger out
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  Speaker 1: there is in Canada. Canada the handsome handsome buck. If
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  Speaker 1: you want to know what the handsome buck looks like,
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  Speaker 1: go look at Pat Durkin's truck. He's got a decale
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  Speaker 1: of it on his truck. Does he need a huff
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  Speaker 1: buck one? You do? Definitely as part of your as
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  Speaker 1: part of your business plan, you need to get huff
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  Speaker 1: Buck stickers. That'd be good. That'd be good. Yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: get on that. Um, you got your guitar. No, we
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  Speaker 1: brought you a guitar. Yeah, I wish you had that
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  Speaker 1: whole damn dear head with you. I know, if I
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  Speaker 1: could have fitted on the plane, I would have brought it.
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  Speaker 1: I see it, So I guess, my hands how big
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  Speaker 1: is it? I guess I could have drove my focus,
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  Speaker 1: my Ford focus out here all the way. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: ask you tone of questions about the whole store. I
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  Speaker 1: got one question to ask you first, when you drew
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  Speaker 1: back on it, were you thinking, damn, that's a big buck. Oh.
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  Speaker 1: I knew he was huge right whenever I first see
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  Speaker 1: him in the creek. He was faced, and I was
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  Speaker 1: just like, this is a h deer. That's all I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking, because I had never even seen a hundred.
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  Speaker 1: To clarify, he killed it with a crossbow. Yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: good shot placement. Thank you. Forty yards kill me with
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  Speaker 1: the crossbow. Yep, hmm, we'll talk about that. Yep, yep.
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  Speaker 1: Dude drown in from West Valley City, Utah. Name is Braxton.
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  Speaker 1: There's a thing called is the thing happens to babies?
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  Speaker 1: Braxton Hicks. Is that something happens to women? No? No, No,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's a woman thing. Yeah, those like the false contractions. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a lady out there, the two of you listening.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of times people come up to me in airports.
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  Speaker 1: They would be like, you know, I always like it's
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  Speaker 1: just dudes that come up to me in airports, right,
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  Speaker 1: But then now and then a woman will come up
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  Speaker 1: to me an airport and I'm like, awesome, She's like,
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  Speaker 1: my husband likes your show. He was too scared to
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  Speaker 1: come up. That's him over there, waving sheepishly. My husband
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  Speaker 1: likes your show. Um, you ladies out there, how well, roughly,
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  Speaker 1: how pregnant are you when you start having bracks and hicks?
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  Speaker 1: Is it's pretty close to the end. That's in like
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  Speaker 1: the eighth Yeah, I mean that's up to the finish line.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're sitting there listening to the show and
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  Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, I'm going to labor, you
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  Speaker 1: might just be having bracks and hicks attractions. This dude's
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  Speaker 1: named Braxton, who I'm talking about. That's why I bring
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  Speaker 1: it up. He's a turkey hunter. Sounds like he might
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  Speaker 1: be a new turkey hunter. He might be an emerging
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  Speaker 1: turkey hunter, because he says, first off, he's allergic to
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  Speaker 1: pollinating juniper trees. That's important to lay out, he says,
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  Speaker 1: And all of his turkey hunting, he's ever he's only
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  Speaker 1: ever gotten one shot gobbil offer to jurkey, and that
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  Speaker 1: was when he had he was having a reaction to
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  Speaker 1: a juniper tree and sneezed and shot gobbled bird twenty
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  Speaker 1: yards behind him. He started laughing so hard to bird
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  Speaker 1: got away. So if we ever redo our t shirt
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  Speaker 1: of ship that makes turkey gobbles? Is that even on there? Sneezes.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's the pukin's on there? Really? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we had a guy puke up one. He just got
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  Speaker 1: a shot gobbl Since I can't really turkey call, maybe
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  Speaker 1: those are the noises I should practice making when I'm
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  Speaker 1: walking around. Sonic booms, sonic booms, puke in everything, Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: twin rotor helicopters. Yanni, can you recap your story about
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  Speaker 1: everything that's going on at your turkey farm, like the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing, because we got a lot of feedback about it,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of worries, um, but mostly about how my
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  Speaker 1: hands got bread that part of it. That and and
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  Speaker 1: about how they come in the house looking for their eggs,
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  Speaker 1: just about them getting eaten by predators whatever you like whatever. Alright, Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Yanni got predated by his chickens, got attacked
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  Speaker 1: by Martin. He's the only guy to know who had
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  Speaker 1: his chickens attacked by Martin. Yeah, and and turkeys. But
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  Speaker 1: the turkeys survived, did They just lost quite a few.
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  Speaker 1: One lost a chunk of her upper beak and then
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  Speaker 1: she lost Wondering about that one hand that was missing,
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  Speaker 1: and she lost to Martin. As far as we know,
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  Speaker 1: his wife called the Martin red handed. You know, skunks
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  Speaker 1: are around foxes, fox I think does the most damage
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  Speaker 1: to us. Call you up real quick. I'm reading the
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  Speaker 1: world's greatest book ever written called Black Range Tails. It's
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  Speaker 1: Carl Malcolm's book. I own a copy to we it's
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  Speaker 1: crazy because we're hunting in this area in New Mexico.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, Man, you gotta read Black Range Tails.
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  Speaker 1: I can't give this detail. Wake said, never mind, I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you another thing though, I was gave away in
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  Speaker 1: my hunt spot like real specifically gave it away. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: now and tails and figure it out, won't It won't
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  Speaker 1: work like that. So anyways, there's a dude in Black
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  Speaker 1: Range Tails. There's a miner who has what what was
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  Speaker 1: it like? You know how everybody used to have rheumatism
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  Speaker 1: all time in the old days, mountain man miner bones,
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  Speaker 1: they all had rheumatism. Yeah, So one miner had come
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  Speaker 1: to another minor telling him I need a big fat
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  Speaker 1: skunk in the book, and actually he tells the story
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  Speaker 1: of how they wind up getting the skunk for him.
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  Speaker 1: He needs a big fat skunk, and they get the skunk,
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  Speaker 1: but the skunk sprays him. Then they carry the skunk
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  Speaker 1: around and then they render it's fat, because you know
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  Speaker 1: how like snake oil. This minor believed that skunk fat
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  Speaker 1: rubbed down his joints would cure his rheumatism. And it worked.
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  Speaker 1: He came back a while later and said it cleared up.
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  Speaker 1: But the miner that got the skunk, he knew that
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  Speaker 1: when you had rheumatism. He got on his horse. This
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  Speaker 1: is eies. He would get on his horse and ride
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  Speaker 1: to the hot springs and cure his rheumatism in the
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  Speaker 1: hot springs like his care better. And the mountain men
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  Speaker 1: would suffer. They would suffer horribly from it because they
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  Speaker 1: didn't have chess waiters. And they're beaver trapping in the water,
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  Speaker 1: which is right. They how did they do that? Because
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  Speaker 1: they wear they'd build, they'd make buckskin pants that went
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  Speaker 1: to your upper knee, and then they'd put wool there
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  Speaker 1: down just to add a little insulation. So when you
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  Speaker 1: see him a picture of a free trapper, and he's
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  Speaker 1: outlaw buckskinning and wool lowers. But they would they would
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  Speaker 1: get suffered in their knees from all that cold water,
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  Speaker 1: and the he was a plaster miner, so they're working
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  Speaker 1: stream beds and he would get rheumatism from the stand
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  Speaker 1: in the cold water all time. Are you getting it yet? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you when I get it. It's very specific.
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  Speaker 1: If I stop and kneel in the snow and then
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  Speaker 1: walk down a steep hill, which you think wouldn't come
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  Speaker 1: up very often, but it does. Oh yeah, you tell
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  Speaker 1: your freaking turkey story. Well, last August we received in
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  Speaker 1: the mail. I think we had to order twenty and
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  Speaker 1: when they got there, I want to say that eighteen
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  Speaker 1: had made it. Uh. So you opened the box and
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  Speaker 1: there's two dead turkeys in. Yeah, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: that attrition is expected. You know, they're just there like
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  Speaker 1: days old, and you know they just you know, we're
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  Speaker 1: shipped across the country where they think they came out of.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe your neck of the was dust and somewhere down
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  Speaker 1: around those parts, not quite the south, not quite in
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  Speaker 1: the midwest, southeast, not quite right in the middle. Is
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  Speaker 1: there is there ice fishing? That's how we can do
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  Speaker 1: in India for how many months of the year month
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  Speaker 1: month or so? Farm ponds man I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you know, but there's a thing called the ronella doctrine.
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  Speaker 1: You live in the state where they can ice fish.
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  Speaker 1: You don't live in the south. Really well, I guess
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  Speaker 1: I'm north there, Oh Yankee, Okay, your accident just changed
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  Speaker 1: when you said that and realized, gosh darn it. When
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  Speaker 1: we were when we're hunting with Luke, we're laughing about
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  Speaker 1: uh like they were saying, hey, they were telling Luke
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  Speaker 1: and his friends were asking us to do, like, so
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  Speaker 1: do your southern thing for us, And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: is no way in the world in the world, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna tell you, guys, how we goofed like the voice
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  Speaker 1: we use to goof on Southerners. And they're like, well,
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  Speaker 1: we have the same thing, like when we talk about Yankees,
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  Speaker 1: and he does it, and I'm like, no, you're not
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  Speaker 1: talking about Yankees. You're talking about people from northern Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, to filets, per salmon, big Box. I'm like
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  Speaker 1: the northern ex we're up in Green Bay. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, guy,
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  Speaker 1: big Box. The turkeys. Yeah. So we uh we raised
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  Speaker 1: them up and uh sold off I don't know, sold
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  Speaker 1: off most of them. What'd you do with the dead ones?
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  Speaker 1: In the box. It wasn't ceremonious, was no. Uh the
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  Speaker 1: garbage can probably, but we raised them up and uh
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  Speaker 1: sold off most of them. I think we're My goal
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  Speaker 1: was to keep five. I think sold him as what
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  Speaker 1: just sold turkeys? Well, whatever you want to do with them.
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  Speaker 1: How big were they when he sold him? Oh jeez,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Pretty good. I mean like a bait,
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  Speaker 1: like a fall poult, you know, like a bird that
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  Speaker 1: where you're like, she it's almost about Yeah, we just
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  Speaker 1: wanted to kind of break even. I just put it
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  Speaker 1: out on Instagram, and so I think we had Instagram. Yeah,
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: so you broadcast to a national audience. Yeah, and you
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  Speaker 1: know what, that was a mistake because a lot of
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: people from far away we're like, so what would it
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  Speaker 1: take to get a couple in southern Indiana. I'm like, bro, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's not happening. Okay, you can if you can drive here,
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  Speaker 1: you can buy as many as you want. So it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't too hard. Well, I ended up selling them all
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  Speaker 1: to I think there's some living in um. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think I told you I sold some to the
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  Speaker 1: daughter of um Gosh, darn, I'm not gonna remember his
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  Speaker 1: name now. John the turkey author that was saying that
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  Speaker 1: we should have on the show that lives with his
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  Speaker 1: daughter out by like three forks country. Now, they bought
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  Speaker 1: some and we did that deal right in the Costco
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  Speaker 1: parking lot. I just had a box turkeys, put him
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  Speaker 1: in her truck and she gave me some cash and uh,
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  Speaker 1: and then there's some living I think down kind of
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  Speaker 1: like South cotton Wood at the mouth of Highlight Day.
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  Speaker 1: And Uh. Anyways, unfortunately, uh, in the end, when I
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  Speaker 1: thought I had one, I wanted one to keep one, Jake,
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  Speaker 1: because we thought we would enjoy the jake in the
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  Speaker 1: spring when he would gobble and strut around, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And Uh, turns out I can't sex them very well,
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  Speaker 1: even when they're you know, five six months old, And
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  Speaker 1: so I was left with a bunch of hands, and
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  Speaker 1: uh we lost I don't know a few more, and
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  Speaker 1: hey we're down to two now two hands. We lost
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  Speaker 1: them to a pine Martin. Um probably lost some. What
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  Speaker 1: happened is I was trying to teach them the roost
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  Speaker 1: in those fir trees, you know, right next to the
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  Speaker 1: driveway there, and uh, so you're like gather around turkeys. No,
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  Speaker 1: we threw them up in there. That one night we'd
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  Speaker 1: throw her place one or two onto a limb and
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  Speaker 1: then everybody else would be like okay and fly up.
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  Speaker 1: It was quite impressive to see. Um. The general flying
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  Speaker 1: of the turkeys that we got to watch while we
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  Speaker 1: had the big flock was cool. They'd climb way up
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  Speaker 1: that hill behind the house, and then when they were
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  Speaker 1: done on the hill, they wouldn't walk down. They'd all
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  Speaker 1: pitch and then come swooping and dive bombing in and
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  Speaker 1: land right like at the garage or next to the garage.
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  Speaker 1: And to see like fifteen turkeys do that together, it's
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  Speaker 1: a pretty cool thing. Um. But yeah, they weren't smart
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  Speaker 1: about roosting, and no matter how many times I pitched
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  Speaker 1: them up there, they liked this fence. And the fence
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  Speaker 1: was maybe six ft tall. I guess that that is
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  Speaker 1: uh low enough to the ground where a fox can
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  Speaker 1: jump up and get some part of them. And um
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  Speaker 1: any who, Uh, I had a day. I came home.
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting to the part where the turkeys got into
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  Speaker 1: the house. Um. I come home, I go into the house,
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  Speaker 1: leave what we call the service door open. It's just
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  Speaker 1: like the side door into the house, and uh go
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  Speaker 1: back to the truck to go grab a few things,
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  Speaker 1: some groceries or whatever. And in the short little period
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  Speaker 1: of time, all five her chickens and the two hands
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  Speaker 1: have gone into the kitchen, and one hand has jumped
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  Speaker 1: up onto the countertop where the eggs are kept. And
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  Speaker 1: at this point that the turkey hands were laying eggs,
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  Speaker 1: and she is with her beak sort of fondling and
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  Speaker 1: rolling a turkey egg that's in a basket of eggs,
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  Speaker 1: And I can see that she's specifically working the turkey
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  Speaker 1: egg and not the chicken eggs that are around it.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought that was kind of interesting that she
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  Speaker 1: like walked into the house and literally within thirty seconds
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  Speaker 1: like knew exactly where the eggs were and then was
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  Speaker 1: able to pick out possibly her egg. Um. Then another
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  Speaker 1: little interesting thing that we had happened was that some
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  Speaker 1: wild jakes showed up a four pack originally they're down
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  Speaker 1: to three now roady there there again last night, and
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  Speaker 1: they actually roosted at the house last Well, he just
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  Speaker 1: he hadn't had time. You didn't let me know last night.
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  Speaker 1: It was late. It was too late over there for
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  Speaker 1: a while, set up a tent in the yard. Um
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  Speaker 1: and uh, one day, Uh, we're we're in the basement
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  Speaker 1: looking at the basement windows, and uh, all the jakes
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  Speaker 1: are there, and our two hands are there, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting because Jennifer thinks that our hands think that
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  Speaker 1: they're chickens. And when they see those wild jake's, they
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  Speaker 1: don't go, oh, you're one of us, They're like, what
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  Speaker 1: are you? Like they literally could give a ship if
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  Speaker 1: those jake's are there, Strutton goblin or whatever, couldn't They
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  Speaker 1: couldn't give ship. They don't. They don't pay any attention
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  Speaker 1: to them whatsoever. Like they wanted so little that they
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't even give ship for it exactly. But sometime you
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  Speaker 1: normally just want to get rid of They wouldn't even
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  Speaker 1: give that for it. You got it. Yeah, thanks for
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  Speaker 1: the clarification. One time, I don't know if next to
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  Speaker 1: the house everybody's got this where like the grass doesn't
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  Speaker 1: quite grow right up to the edge of your house
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  Speaker 1: and you kind of sort of have like either a
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  Speaker 1: mud or a dirt or like a dusty, dry kind
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  Speaker 1: of zone where the grass kind of quits before you
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  Speaker 1: hit like the concrete. You know, well, chickens and and
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  Speaker 1: turkeys will like to dust in that stuff. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if this hand was using or if she
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  Speaker 1: actually laid down to get bread, but basically right outside
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  Speaker 1: the window, like right under our noses. Uh, those four
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  Speaker 1: Jake's bread what looked like bread her And yeah, it's
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: hard to say what you know, kids like those turkeys
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  Speaker 1: are fighting. Oh no, no, I told my girls. I said,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: listen that if when you guys talk about this, use
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: that word sexy and it's like super cute and all that.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I said, that's what the boys are gonna want to
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: do to you right there straight. Yeah, we talk about
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: anywhere kids, man, because they're here about it anyway at school.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, what's gonna happen Susie's you're gonna lay
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: down and say we just lay it all out, man.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: And it was funny you start laying something out for
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: your kids that you think you're being a little ahead
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: of the game to lay it out for him. They're like, oh, yeah,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: tell me something. Yeah I heard at school that what
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: happens is now listen while we're on the subject, No,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: that's not what happens. What happens is this. But there's
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: nothing you can't get ahead of anything, No, not in public. School,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: so we figured they may have or may not have
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: gotten bread. We were going to then save the eggs
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: and put them in an incubator. But the more we
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: researched it and and started messing around with it, or
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: didn't mess around with it because it was just gonna
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: be a a big investment to get into it and
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: to get an incubator. Yeah, we kind of had them,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: and we were reading reviews on the incubators and the warmers,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: and you got to turn why can't she just incubate her?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: We tried, and they're yeah, they're just not into it.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: They don't know enough about being turkeys. No, I don't
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: know or if that's part of the problem they had
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: when they used to try to reintroduce turkeys by putting
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: out domestic like like farm raised wild turkeys, could never
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: pull it together. They didn't know how to avoid predators,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: they didn't know how to nest, and then they realized
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: you got to move wild turkeys to establish wild turkeys.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: That's right. You can. I tell you two pieces of feedback, Yeah,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: please do so one I like it was a very
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: long email, that's all one sentence. It's great. It's like
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: like McCarthy would get lost reading this um. It's a
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: great sentence. I can read it. But one guy wrote
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: in a very similar experience to you, Yanni. He lives
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: in the area. Hold on, is this a sentence or not? No? No,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: there's two Turkey letters that are of a note. The
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: first one is not a single sentence. Got it. But
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: he lives in the area northeast of Atlanta. They hadn't
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: seen a wild turkey um in fifteen years. Hold that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: thought from it. In the book and Barry Lopez book
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Arctic Dreams, he talks about this phenomenon that happens where
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: you know what a fiord is. There's a thing that
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: will happened to whales blew the whales now and then
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: where they'll be working the back of a fiord, and
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: the fiordal freeze m hm, and so so so much
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: of the fiord freezes that they can't hold their breath
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: long enough to get from the area they've kept open
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: out to the open sea. So they've kept it open,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: activity kept it open, and they'll be locked there quite
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: it could be quite a group of them, and they
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: just keep an area open and they can't hold their
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: breath long enough to get out. From the ice, and
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: the ice is too thick to break it. And when
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: this happens, here's the part that the mystery part of it.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: When this happens, polar bears just materialized there and it's like,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: how in the world. And I was talking about this
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: one time has happened in like thirteen polar bears wound
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: up there and they'll be like, how do they know?
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: How do they know this is going? We're so did
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the whales die and then are on shore rot They
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: keep a small area open, so there's these whales are
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: just swimming around in a circle, alive in the water.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: They're they're coming up and breathing and their activity. There's
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: a whole pot of them and they're able to keep
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: a little breathing hole open, but they can't leave because
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: they can't hold their breath long enough to keep to
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: other open water. And it's like this mystery that he
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: gets I was just ruling out that there wasn't like
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: a rotting whale car bears are killing it. But even
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: like if you look at like the densities of bears,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: there's bears from this isn't just ones that wander by.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: It's sort of like this like, how does like, how
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: does word get out? Are they that good at smelling?
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: You know? Or whatever? Hold that thought? Uh had no
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: wild turkeys in fifteen years. This old man had killed
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: one fifteen years earlier, and that was a rare sighting.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: He gets some hands, He goes out and buy some
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: turkey hands, and bam, there's a stratter out breeding his hands. Like,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: word gets out. He watched what hand got bred by
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the stratter and saved her eggs and he's incubating those eggs.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: He hashed them. According to that email, I ended up
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: hatching off the majority of her eggs that she laid
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and had great success with the offspring in this breeding season.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: So yeah, successfully he hatched the hybrids I would have.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I would like to name Slade. Follow up question hell
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: of a name is if the offspring, yeah, if they
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: were more like did they tend to be more wild
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: slash Ferrell or did they just follow the domestic around
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and become barnyard birds? Ready for the single sentence? Please?
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Oh you know what, there's a period here. Someone going
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: into add periods the whole thing. Give me the original,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the original, Oh, dude's great sense, this might be a
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: new song. I think it's a sentence because it didn't
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: have a period at the end. Okay, so it's whatever
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: you have. It's a passage stream of consciousness. Oh yeah,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it was great. Though. You have been talking a lot
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: about turkeys on the podcast lately, so I thought I
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: would share with you a pretty crazy story. I lived
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: near a creek. We say creek around from a creek
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: as a sound of rusty Dorr hinge makes anyway, moving on, anyway,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: moving on. My wife thought a few turkeys added to
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the barnyard would be a good idea to eat what
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the horses, cows and pigs leave behind, and we would
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: eat them in the fall. So she brought home with
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: tom and two hens she got from a friend. They
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: were adults, and she thought she would just hatch them
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: off and raise her own. Long story short. At one
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: point there was six jakes and two Tom's that came
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: up from the creek. The struck on the two hands,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: and that poor bastard Tommy was working his ass off
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: to defend his two hands. He had been fighting so
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: much most of the feathers on his breast and legs
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: was gone from being spurred off from the wild turkeys.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I came home from work to find one of the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: hens dead. Didn't think much of it. Maybe she was
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: sick or who knows. A few days later I find
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: the second hand den with two or three of the
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: wild Jakes still breeding her even though she was dead
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and Old Tommy joined the dark side, was joining him period.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: There's a period that was a sentence that was like
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: an accident, Like I don't think he even meant to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: put that period. It contained because the next two words
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: of the continuation there's supposed to be an end instead
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: of that period. He was joining in on the fun.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, so that's still the same sense. Listen, this
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: is not listen. Here's the thing. This is not the
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: dog on the person wrote because it's like everything I
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: need to know is here, all the details, everything I
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: need to know is here. You could have a guy
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: who's real good with a period, who could not who right,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: would not be able to write this story. So this
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: is nothing. No comment on that it's great or would
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: be a natural break. She was dead and old Tommy
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: joined the dark Side and was joining in on the fun. Yeah,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I was saying, there might be more to the Turkey
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: that we have yet to learn. Talking about his hand
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: rooting through the eggs on his counter. But nature, along
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: with man kinda can be pretty brutal. Can you imagine
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: being bred to your death? Pretty rough way to go.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Thanks for all the good work and great educational entertainment.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: You got that last sense on the bright side. On
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: the bright side, old tom, he was already half plucked
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: for the roaster, and my brother and two of my
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: younger cousins kill a couple of nice times that year,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: right from the pasture. Heartwarming story. That look good on
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: a T shirt. M I'd buy it. Oh, that would
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: be a great T shirt. We should get permission, see
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: if we could print that out of Oh, dude, we
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: gotta do that. He send that Sam James being bred
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: to death? Thank you by sending that to Sam James.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Those shirts we gotta get. Can you manage this? Gran? Okay?
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I wope. I gotta get my tomatoes in. So here's
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: here's what steps you need to take. Asked that gentleman.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: If we can print it on a T shirt, you'll
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: get a free T shirt and then tell Sam we
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: just need this worked up on a T shirt. We
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: don't do that. I'm thinking, Hell, Vetica, we don't do that.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: We should do a graphic novel. Help either T shirt
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: or grab now hell vedica a big block whatever thing
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: looks good, not like a heavy metal fine. It needs
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, there's a new Dustin Huff song. Maybe, yeah,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you could get a couple of lines out of it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Probably you're gonna sing a song, right if y'all want,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: man are my the way I write my initials and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: heavy metal style, like the way you like to say?
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Do you think that's worth? We could just make our
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: own Yanni. We could call it Yanni's initial font. Sorry
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: you always say I just thought I just wrote my initials.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: When Yanni writes his initials, they're in a heavy metal fine.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it takes to get like a
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: font like you want to you want to like draw
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: out the rest of the alphabet. Here's a here's a
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: question came in. This is legit question? Uh hunter from
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: on harry O, Canada rode in with a question that
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: many folks may have its like is that you editorializing? There?
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Who's saying like many folks may have anything that's not
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: italicized as me writing kran editorializing? The question is is
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: he sees a lot of TV shows such as ours,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: he points out, and other folks who shoot big game
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: and they'll they'll shoot it and then say they're gonna
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: leave it until tomorrow. And he's like, the way I
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: was brought up, you're supposed to go get an animal
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: no matter what and at least gut it as soon
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: as possible to save as much meat as possible. Am
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I wrong to think that way? And am I missing something?
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Or is the carcass okay to be left overnight with
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the guts inside, not knowing if you made a perfect,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: longer heart shot. I'm a meat hunter in Ontario, Canada,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: and this has come up a lot in hunting camp conversations. Uh,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: this is a great opportunity for everybody else's here besides
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: dust and to introduce themselves and answer this quick question quickly.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: That way, my dad will be happy like that, He'll
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: still be a little upset that Mark Kenyon, Mark Kenyon,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Why would someone say best leave it till tomorrow? Yeah,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: that's a good question. Uh. And it comes down to
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the fact that not every shot is a perfect lung
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: or heart shot. So if you do have that perfect
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: shot and you're very confident that deer is going down
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: right away, then yeah, go get him. But if either
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: from your best guess of where it hit or you
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: actually saw where the hit was, if it was farther back,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: there's certain places where you might hit a deer with
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: really a bow or a gun that's going to tell
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: you that that deer might not die right away. And
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: if you were to let's say, hit that deer back
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: towards the stomach or the intestines and then go chasing
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: after that deer right away, he's probably not dead yet
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: and you're more than likely going to bump that deer
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and run it even farther away, in which case you
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: might not recover that deer at all. So the idea
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: behind because it might not be bleeding by them. Yeah,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: So the idea is many times a deer like that
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: will bed down relatively quickly but might not die for
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: four or eight or ten hours. You know, that's that's
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the worst case scenario, But that does happen. So in
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: that case, wait that amount of time, or wait till
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: the next morning, and then that deer is probably gonna
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: be right where it bettered down at first, and you
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: will recover that deer. Now, if it's a hot day,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: you might lose some meat, and that's obviously a worst
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: case scenario, but it's better than not recovering the deer
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: at all. And if you're hunting later in the year
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: when it's cold out, many times that deer will be
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: perfectly fine. You'll be able to recover all the meat.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: So I would always rather recover the deer and as
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: much of the meat as you can versus zero, which
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: is why you would wait in certain situations. I wouldn't
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: do it, you know, all the time. I would only
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: do it if you have to do it, ladies. Joan
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon now Mark Road an article for the media
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: dot com called how long should you Wait to Blood
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Trailer Deer? Where he lays out all the scenario is
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: about like longs, guts, stomach, et cetera. Introduce yourself, spencer.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: They spent New h and Mark also pointed out in
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: there what his uncle used to do in the nineties,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: tell folks that approach. I remember, yeah, it took me
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: a second, but he he would always just this was
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: just to get a little bit of a weight after
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: he shot a deer. This was during gun season. He
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: would always bring a cigar with him, and he smoked
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: that victory cigar, and that would force him to wait
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: half an hour. So at least he give it a
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: little time, because the temptation. A lot of times you're
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: so excited you want to get out there right away
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: and go find it. But he always at least smoked
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: that victory cigar and then he knew, all right, I
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: gave it time. Now I can go search. My old
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: man was a firm believer, like hadn't like he circumstances
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: didn't matter. It was forty five minutes. You could walk
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: over and it could look like someone had gone through
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the was with a bucket of paint. Minutes right, no matter,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: you could you could have basically seen it stumble and fall. Yeah,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: just that was it. Yeah, but that's the thing like
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I had that happened, this last fault, like stumbling whirling around,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: does a couple of circles. But then all of a sudden,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: it looks like he's got his feet underneath him and
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: he rolls over the horizon. There's lots of blood. But
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, you just don't know, and
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: like it is a good rule unless you see him
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: laying there with his tongue out. A friend was telling
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: me he gets story. He was just down fishing alligator
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: guards and he a guy was describing to him, how
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: long when your bomber goes down, how long to wait
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: for you set the hook? And he said, you want
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: to wait as long as it takes to smoke a
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: whole cigarette. And my friend doesn't smoke, and he pointed out,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: he doesn't know what that means. He doesn't smoke, and
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: he said. The guy got kind of irritated and said,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Count Hey, I feel like we're missing.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: We're not answering his question. I'm not done with the question.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Can I tell you what Mark specifically wrote in this
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: article heart shot? I write it better than I said it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Let me let me tell you what Mark says, heart
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: shot recover right away, double lung thirty to ninety minutes,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: single lung or liver uh four to six hours, gut
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: shot eight to twelve hours. But yeah, but the deer
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: to have to kind of yell out what he what
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: happened to it? This is this is if you can
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: where there's a lot evidence on your arrow to to
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: tell you where you hit. Now, I think to even
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: more fully answer this if someone said, and I'll ask you, Mark,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: have you ever in your life had someone know for
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: a fact that the deer was dead and just out
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: of sheer laziness say I'll go get it tomorrow. I
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: couldn't think of a single person I've ever met. It's
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: always you want to get it right now. That would
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: just be someone being lazy and dumb. Yeah. Uh. I
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: one time, eight at night kill the bowl my bow,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and it was dusk, and it was in an area
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: with a lot of grizzly bears, and made a decision
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I'll regret. And we didn't want to open it up
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: until the next day because we didn't want to open
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: it up in the dark and let all that stink out.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: And I mean it was already like getting dark, and
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: we were back in the pre dawn darkness and had
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: already lost the area around the ball joints and had
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: lost the tenderloins on it. And I always saw I
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: should have just lit a big fire, sucked it up
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: and got it done. And I thought it was supposed
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: to get cold that night, And then laying there for
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: a few hours, We're like, we had to hike a
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: couple of miles back to our gear laid there and
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: just like all now, I'm like, it's not getting cold's
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: not getting cold, and went back and just felt like
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: a dumbass. And I think even when it is cold,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: an animal like an elk, like they trapped peat, Like
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: it could be twenty degrees out and you're gonna lose
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: me because heats just trapped inside of him. Yeah, And
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: it was just being like lazy and nervous and kind
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: of like overwhelmed by the logistics of like how are
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: you gonna go get all our ship and we'll be
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: one around the middle of the night, and like I
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: just made a dumb right, not something I'll do again.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Brodies here. So you feel like we answered it thoroughly
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: because there's that what the one thing that didn't get
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: mentioned is whatever you want to do, let me know
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: what I can go on. I am We never like
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: talked about when the animal is shot, like this is
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: like I'm assuming an animal that's shot right before dark
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: you do to me, I'm asking, I'm out. So Yanny
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: says it's time to move on. You don't want to
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: engage anymore. Maybe you can't clarify for me because I don't.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: It's said that the question is he sees a lot
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: of TV shows such as ours and other folks who
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: shoot the game with it being a far hike to
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: retrieve the animal. Then they say, wait till tomorrow. What's
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the explained to me what he's meaning by being a
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: far hike to retrieve the animal and how that plays
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: into the question you follow me. I'm sorry to see
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I'm confused by the question and that part of the question,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: and you're asking me, yeah, I declare. That's why I'm
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: asking if you felt like you answered it thoroughly, if
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: you if first of all, you have to understand the question.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I think he's I think he might be confusing two things.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: That's why did you see the little addendum the addendum
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I did? Or I said to know that it's dead
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: and just put it off till tomorrow isn't a thing
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I'm aware of. And then I went on to site
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: a time when I did that and what circumstances drove
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: me to make that decision, and pointed out that I
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: had in fact regretted that decision. Do you feel there's
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: more to well? It just it still just doesn't answer
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: or clarify the part about like how it's like a
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: far hike to retrieve the animal. But I think you're wrong.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know what he means where he's just like,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: maybe I don't know what he means by that inflating
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: two things. Yeah, but nobody else either has any idea
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: what he's trying to say. Oh, like he's saying, you
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: did it because it was a far hike. He'll have
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: to right back in again. Do you guys know that? Uh?
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Seth and Chester in the Walleye Tournament their first walleye
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: tournament Day one the seventy boats. They finished day one
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: number seven. They were hoping to do top twenty. They
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: finished Day one number seven their first ever walleye tournament
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: fishing in there. They had their fishing in their alumacraft.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: We did all that begging and pleading to get him
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: a walleye boat. We got him a wallet boat from
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: a Lumacraft. So they're like a like a sponsored by
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: a lumacraft. Finished Day one number seven, had a couple
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: of problems, finished the tournament number seventeen out of seventy
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: five boats, but still took a cash prize. Huh how
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: much that? How much was it? How much is unterbucks
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: to conservation. Where are they? Where are they kicking that too?
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: They gotta wait and see. They gotta wait and see
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: how they do on the next ones. But those boys
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: first ever Walleye tournament finished day one number seven, finished
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the tournament at number seventeen. Their goals to finish top twenty. Yeah,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: says said he lost a monster the second day. That
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: would have really, they would have pushed him up. I'm
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: stoked for him. That's so damn good. That's a hard
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: body of water fish, especially when you live like six
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: hours away. Them to roll up there and get I'm
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: gonna tear that place a new one. This weekend guy
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: wrote in real riled up about Bighorn National Forest in Wyoming.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: They're gonna they're they're looking to start charging for dispersed camping.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: This is a solution brought forward two years ago by
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the Get This Big Horn Mountains Coalition Dispersed Camping Task Force. Currently,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: the forest requires campers to move at least five miles
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: after fourteen days in one location. This is just to
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: prevent you from being cute right and moving into an
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: area and then like moving to the other side of
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: the valley, to the other side of the meadow and
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: staying another fourteen days, and then moving back to the
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: other side of the meadow and staying another fourteen days. Currently,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: the forest requires campers to move at least five miles
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: after fourteen days in one location. However, many campers, trailers,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: and recreational vehicles are left on the mountain unoccupied for
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: much longer than fourteen days. I'm aware of this where
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: and I've I've been guilty this in the past. We're
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: let's say you're gonna go camping for a weekend and
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: you want some really cherry spot that you know about.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: You drive over on Wednesday and park the old camper
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: or you'll get to a spot and there's nothing there,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: but it's old tent mm hm, like no coolers, no walk,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: like an old tent, and that dude's like basically like
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: my spot. You back in a few days. So that's
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: when I go about cleaning up the forest, you know,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: and just that's when you clean up. Yeah, like, oh,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: someone's forgotten old. However, many campers, trailers, and recreational vehicles
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: are left on the mountain unoccupied for much longer than
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: fourteen days, which can cause frustration for other recreationalists who
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: are following the rules and seeking a new place to
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: camp in in fourteen days. One potential solution forwarded by
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: the task force is the implementation of a yearly sticker
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: all dispersed campers would have to purchase. The sticker would
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: make it as as these UH personnel for Service personnel
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: are saying, the sticker would make it much easier to
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: contact users who are violating the forests fourteen day rule.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: In addition, the Forest is considering extending the fourteen days
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: stay order throughout the year. Currently, the order extends from
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: June one through September thirty. When I was turkey hunting
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: recently up in the northwest corner of the state, I
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: found where a dispersed camper had basically set up a community.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I mean they were there to stay on National forest land.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I imagine that it looked like they had spent the
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: entire winter there. The order extends June one through September thirty,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: and campers can stay in one place for as long
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: as they want outside of those four months. Bighorn National
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Forest is currently the only national forest without year round
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: limits on dispersed camping. Guys real mad about it. He's
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: mad about the fees they want to change. What he
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: says is going on. The Bighorn National Forest plans to
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: charge in order to disperse camp on public lands. This
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: is an abuse of the FIG program and a blatant
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: shake down of public landowners. Let folks know about this issue.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Encourage them to write to their centers before the Forest
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Service gets drunk on fees. Please don't use my name
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: or email. I gotta I gotta think on that one.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Anyone got immediate? Yeah, I don't have a problem with it.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: A twenty stick are you throw on there to go
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: camping on national forests? What's the what's the big deal?
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I agree, I'm right. I'm right there with you, Brody.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I feel that we take it for granted just because
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: it's public land. We think that it's should be just
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: a free for all. I mean, they should be for free.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: But those roads that you drive in to access your
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: public lands with guests, what they have to be maintained
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: and the people that do that need to be paid.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: It's not like the Forest Services rolling in cash, you
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah? I mean, did Carl Malcolm
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: have a new truck when you guys saw him recently,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Steve's not listening anymore. He's onto the next article. But like,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: my job is to keep the show rolling. So I'm
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: just looking ahead, thinking, and you guys can talk about
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: what you need to talk about. Um, I want we're
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: gonna get into this big gass white tailed mini here. Mark,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: what do you think you wrote a whole book about
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: how public lands are managed? Yeah, I think it's a
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: hell of a deal. I think twenty bucks for a
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: year worth of camping, that's pretty good. But now as
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: good a deal as zero. Yeah, but you could say
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: it remains a hell of a deal. Man. I think
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: it's not a bad idea that we'd be a little
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: more invested in them. Like you guys both said, there's
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of costs to managing
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: those places. Let's put our money where our more. I
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: think we should add like a half a cent federal
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: sales tax. Oh. I would support that. That would just
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: directly go to all public lands. I had to give
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: a talk down in Florida the are day, and you
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: know how everybody, how it's become, to use Tom mcgwain's expression,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: it's become over observed Pittman, Robertson has become over observed
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: among hunters, right like every hunter on the planet now
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: likes to point out Pittman Robertson contributions, which for people
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: have been hiding under living under a rock. Um. There
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: is a federal excise tax on all guns and AMMO
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and other sporting goods equipment to the tune of about
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: thirteen percent. So when you buy a gun or you
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: buy any AMMO, you're paying at exercise tax that goes
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: to support wildlife conservation, and most of the money comes
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: from recreational shooters. What is higher comes from recreational shooters.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: So a new Jersey cat lady who buys a pocket
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: pistol is kicking into Pittman Robertson. She might also belong
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: to Peter, but when she bought the pocket pistol of
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: that morning went to wildlife work. So I don't remember
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: what the hell it is. Someone tell me what it is. Then,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of the money is from recreational shooters, not hunters.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Where's that going with this? Oh? I was pointing out
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: when I gave a talk in Florida the other day
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: about the future of hunting. I said, I invited the
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: audience to ponder, can you as much as hunters like
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: to celebrate Pittman Robertson industry people celebrate Pittman Robinson. Can
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: you imagine what they would do to you today if
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: you said, I got an idea, right, here's my idea.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Every time you buy a gun and every time you
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: buy AMMO, let's make it that there's a thirteen percent
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: federal tax on that purchase. It would never happen, and
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: it'll go to wildlife habitat. Dude. They would they would
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: hang you. Oh dude, it would make they would hang you.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: It would make the deal that went down at the
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: country's capital not too long ago. It would make that
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: look like a little rainbow gathering. I think for so
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: long most people hunters or recreational shooters didn't even know
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: they were contributing that way. You know, it's just like
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: a thing that became. But no, but we'd love to celebrate.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: And now I'm like, okay, how would you receive it
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: being increased? They would hang you. It just wouldn't happen. Well,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: you're seeing it with the backpack tax ideas for you know, backpackers, hikers, bikers,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: The idea of doing similar tax on that kind of gear,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: and year after year that keeps getting shut down. What
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: about a duck stamp for public lands? Like that kind
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: of approach. I would love it if someone now came
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: and said, hey, man, if you want to hunt ducks,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: you gotta kick down. What does the duck stamp right now?
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Do you want to hunt ducks? Actually actually bucks? Starting
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: right now? All goes to the feds. Yeah, but you
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: don't think that like, not just for ducks, but for
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: for public land hunters in general. Why would have to
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: be hunters? Why wouldn't it just be everyone who uses
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: public lands? Well, I think that it's even better, but
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: just because I think because it's not just the money
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: to be the administrative the administrative stuff like so for instance,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: my my my wife likes to go hike the m okay,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: she'd also be like, hm, I need to do what right?
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: It would be like an administrate because you're you're take
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: like hunters are. It's ingrained in hunters. If there's like
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: this whole regulatory structure and it's like everyone knows like
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: you gotta go jump through all these hoops and and
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: like dudes that ride their mountain bikes, they're sort of
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: like blissfully unaware. They're blissfully unaware of all the ship
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: everybody else has to do. Right, do you gotta get
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: a permit and past these like classes? And if you can't,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: their heads and melt. Still a good idea? Sure? I
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: support it. I support I think it. You buy a
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: mountain bike, there should be every mountain bike and every
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: trail shoes should have a excise tax fifty big number.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: But any mountain bike? What about an e bike? All right?
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: The huff? First? Tell us how you got How do
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: you get into the music business? I left my hometown
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: when I was nineteen, two months after graduating high school
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: and packed car, packed truck up, moved down to do
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: what you like? Moved to Nashville nineteen. Didn't no person
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: down there? How old are you? No? Then? What happened
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: when you did that? Where'd you go live? I just
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: had a one barroom apartment, started playing open mikes, uh,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: met some people started writing Met Luke and two years
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: after moving to town and started going on the road
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: with him. Hang with it, those guys, and the rest
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: is history. You see like America even more. It's crazy.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: So you're obviously playing guitar and singing and doing all
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: that stuff a good bit before you left town moved out,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: like when you were in your teenage years. I mean,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: I started playing guitar when I was twelve. I wrote
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: my first song when I was fourteen, and hold room.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: You killed your first deer that's twelve, twelve years old,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: killed my first squirrel when I was ten. You can
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: start playing guitar because of that. But you killed a
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: deer at twelve and started playing guitar. What was your
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: subject matter? What do you mean like, what was this
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: sort of your theme of your music? Just life, small
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: town stuff girls, not hunting. Oh yeah, hunting was in there.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Two trucks, hunting, fishing. Where's the guitar over there? Hey?
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Over a guitar? CRN. I want you just give us
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: a little sample so as we get into the story
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: of this world record, white Tail, the beginning of it.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Whatever the hell? Any song have you written a song
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: about that buck yet? I have, But give us a
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: little liock of that. I'll play one that. Oh that's
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: just kind of Phili help you get set up there?
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: What do you need to do? Phil Goung No, he's
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: gonna give us a little teaser and then we'll have
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: a full song later, Okay, right now, it's just a teaser,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. So you know, like the guy that
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: killed the world record white tail typical white tail or
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: sorry national typical white tail record, I should be fishing
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: somewhere on a boat, floating something cold. Can't you really?
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: In five pound largemouth? Good time? Grand? Yeah, I should
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: be fishing. Little teaser, little teaser. So you learn in
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: high school, packed up, move to Nashville. Were you surprised
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: when I said he started to make it? I don't
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: know about making it, but I mean it was just
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: cool to be in there. Do you have a day job? No?
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Play music full time and right full time? And I
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: might call that making it? Yeah, I guess so, But
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: what you want? What do you call making it? I
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: don't know. Number one, that's making it for me? That's
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: what I want, That's that's what you're shooting for. Well,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I think there's like degrees of it. But I think
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: if you can, if you set out in the arts
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: and you get to where you don't have to do
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: anything else, that's making it Part one. I agree, Yeah,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: but you're still hunted. You still went hunting back home yep.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Did you start Do you hunt more where you came
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: from or more down in Nashville, Indiana? Yeah, that's where
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: I'm at now. I've moved down there, But then I
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: moved back at like twenty four and then I was
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: just traveling back and forth, going every other week, every
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: other two weeks or so. So, yeah, I live in
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Indiana now. But was that part of your plan to
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: go back there once you kind of got a foot
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: in the door. Uh, it always was. I just didn't
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: know how soon I would, you know, I didn't know
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: if it'd be thirty five. You're married. I got a girlfriend.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: How long you had a girl? From? Four years? You
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: couldn't get married to her? Oh? Yeah, that's the that's
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: the next step. What's her first name? Mackayley? Okay? Uh?
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: What's the property you were hunting on? H five acre
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: hog farm? Same farm I killed my first scorel on
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: where I killed my first deer. Used to vaccinate hogs
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: on it when I was a kid. Who olds the farm,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: big farmer, You shouldn't be saying that, man, Well, everybody
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: already knows in my hometown, there's already Pete. Well, there's
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: a lot more people than your home towel his name
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: your absolutely not. Would you not say that? I'd better
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: say than sorry? Yeah? Why and why are you guys
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: so adamant about that? Because on X makes it so
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: damn easy, Yanny, I could find your property in one
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: minute from now if I wanted, I understand, But would
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: you uh, well, you'd have to know my wife's name.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: But that's true. What do you think is gonna happen?
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe started, Maybe there's like a quarter mile away.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe the neighbor has his farm, he's already have, he's
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: already I mean, people already know where it is. We're
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: already finding deer with their heads cut off, I mean
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: right outside of this property, so people in our Yeah,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: it's it's terrible. So yeah, I've already been in contact
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: with d n R about it, and I dude, we've
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: already found three deer with their heads cut off after this,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: So it's brutal, like they're people are are who would
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: be out shooting deer moving over in that region at night.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: People's neighbors around have been finding people on trail cams
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: nate at late at night. It's crazy, all because of
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: a deer. So in order to not add to that,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Phil should bleep it out. Yeah, maybe we should leave
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: it out. Doesn't give it a body years place. It's
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: my dad's one of my dad's best friends. And you
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: grew up on that property. He did too, pretty much.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: I mean once them two became buddies in high school.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I mean they were hunting together into their twenties thirties,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: and whenever I came and how how would you describe
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: the property? I mean they raised some crops on it
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: or yeah, it's probably crops and timber. And what would
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: be like a normal deer that gets killed there? Well,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: my biggest was a hundred thirty four inch that I
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: killed in named him Larry. And did you guys feel
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: like that was a big buck? Oh? That was like,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I was. Yeah. I was calling my dad, Hey,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: you gotta get off four man, you gotta come see this, dear.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: You know. But his uh the Catur County Highway Department
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: and uh, but his biggest one, which was the biggest
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: on the property hunt and which what I was a
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: freshman whenever he killed that, well, so like you know, no,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: I mean not even close to what got but I
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: mean like like good deer. Yeah, there's always good deer there.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: But I mean, our only rule is fifteen inches wide.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: If he looks like he's fifteen inches, you can shoot him.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: And then dude does the hard farmer hunted too. He's
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: got other properties that he farms, and he goes and
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: hunts the cabin woods. It's just another another one down
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: the road. How many guys are hunt pretty much just
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: me and my dad and my nephew East and just
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: got into it. He killed his first deer with me
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: this past year. And uh he's seven, so me him
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: and then maybe two other guys on occasions, but pretty
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: much just me and my dad. Did you guys run
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: trail cameras out there? I don't run trail cams because
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: you just don't. Because you don't. I used to in
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: high school. Uh just never really do no more. I
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: just I felt like when I was in high school,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I always I would always go to where that camera was.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: So I just decided I'm just gonna go deer hunting.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: That's just kind of what I started doing. Does the
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: property have some like historical tree stands that your dad
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: hunted out at one time and now you hunt him? Yeah?
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: So I God, I know the property like the back
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: of my hand. So I just kind of where I've
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: killed dear seen deer, where Dad I killed has killed
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: dear senior. I just go put my climber up, or
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: I got four set stands on the property and just
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: kind of mix it up. Hunt a gun season, archery season. Yeah,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: did you used to hunt with the regular bowl before
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: you start hunting the cross bowl? Yeah? To gross on
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: my shoulder, I still got him. I want to fill him. Yeah,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: where are they on there? I don't want to right
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: back here? You can feel they just said I can
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: get it cut out, But it's right on some nerve
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: right there. But it's one's growing on the bone that
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: the new one is. And that's that's why I think
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: I can't get a bow back no more, because sometimes
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: it'll catch like I'll get sometimes I'll be watching TV
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: and my right arm will just go tingly. So can
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: anybody hold with the crossbow in Indian or do you
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: have to get like a doctor's per No, you can now. Yeah.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: So I bow hunted from fourteen to like twenty, and
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: then I bought a used crossbow from my buddy. What
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: kind of crossboards you get? What the heck is Striker
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Striker crossbow. So I've been using that ever since you
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: got a nicer one, since shooting that huffbuck. I don't
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Striker hasn't reached out. I don't think they make them
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: no more. I think they were made by bow Tech,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: but I don't think they Yeah, so huh, yeah, they
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: want to remake them. I guess. Now, do you hear
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: is there like a network of hunters in the area
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: where you're hearing about what's going on of this deer? No? No, no,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: like like in the vicinity of this property. Yeah, and
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: we're in Southeast Indiana, Southeast Indiana, in the vicinity of
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: this property. Like, and I know that you got like
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: you got a one thirties buck. Okay, your old man
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: got a one fifties buck? What you're did you get that?
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: That was I was a freshman, so twenty ten maybe. Meanwhile,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: are you hearing like, um oh, Joel blow On the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: next place over got a one ninety Yeah you hear
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, But I mean it's you know, a
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: hundred fifty in hundred sixties pushing it. You're like, damn,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: he got a hundred sixty inches deer. You know, like
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: usually about one thirty to one fifty is like the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: big deer. It hasn't gotten better through your lifetime like
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: so many places have. Yeah, I mean it went for
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: about two years after I graduated high school. It was
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: pretty bad because we just took a ton of deer
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: off of it. When I was a kid man, I
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: was just you know, whatever it was. And so I
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: actually let it go for about two years and then
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: I started hunting it again. And yeah, so I was
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: hunting my sister's property a county over letting some just
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I was just letting it because I wasn't seen any deer,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: so I was just like, let's just let it go. Um.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: And then my nephew Easton started getting into it just
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: this past year, and I was like, which I had
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: hunted at the killed that one thirty four, But that
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: was the first year that I really started hunting it again.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Was in got back into it, hunting two weeks straight,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: just trying to beat my one thirty four, and the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: first shooter that walked out was moose. So on this
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: on this topic of how things have changed, a big
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: change happened in Indiana. I mean you probably know the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: day better than maybe ten years ago. Eight nine ten
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: years ago, Indiana switched to a one buck a year rule.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: So now all that's no matter what it was right
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: before I started hunting. So when I was twelve, it
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: was one buck, one dough and then it went to
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: like one buck two does. But before then you could
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: kill two bucks. I believe that was before I was
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: deer hunting. But so the there's been a lot of
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: talk about how much Indiana has bumped up in the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: record books and stuff like that since switching to that.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: It's become much more of a quote unquote trophy destination
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: because those bucks. A whole lot more people are thinking
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: before shooting because they know they'll be done, and I do, like,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I want to shoot the first one I see, and
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: then with my second tag. Look at Michigan, you heard
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: that a lot. So that was the first buck you saw?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: That was the first shooter I saw it. I was
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: on day seven or eight, um days. Maybe I'm jumping ahead,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: but no, I'm gonna say it wasn't you Can you
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: wait for the for it to get ready for that?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm I'll wait? What is it?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: On that line of thinking? Here? Does it take us
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: back a little bit it's on the line of thinking
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: of this buck, like he said he shot. It was
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: the first buck he saw. I have a question about that,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: but it could have been asking answer right now. Wait, yeah,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: we're just not to the buck yet. Well I thought
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: we were, he said it was he jumped? Did he jumped?
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. The man's just a songwriter.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: What I do with my hands. You'll end up asking
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: the same question I bet. Oh, yeah, I have no doubt.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I just want to like. But then you get all
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: the glory for asking. No. No, I want to ask
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: when we get to the deer. I'm not gonna ask
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: sliding the note. Sliding the note when I'm trying to
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: establish here is I'm trying to establish um to what degree.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: There's like a rumor around town or whatever about an
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: absolute toad running around people been seeing I had never
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: even heard about him. Tell after I killed him, that's
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: what no one at church is like, holy shit, and
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know whatever. There was only two people that
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: in my area. They came by the next day and
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: was like, start showing me trail camp pictures videos. They
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: secretly knew about it. They were sharing it with us,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: you know, like there, oh, here's a one forty we've
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: been after. But nobody knew about this deer. It had
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: been pretty quiet, but I think everybody knew about the deer,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: just no one's willing to hear that. People were some
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: people were aware of for two to three years, were
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: aware of this deer and I didn't even but they
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: weren't blabbing about it. Yeah, they weren't blabbing about it.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: It wasn't Did they know that we're spending a lot
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: of time on your place? No, they didn't know. I mean,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: it was this deer was traveling so far, dude, it
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: was It's crazy. He we got confirmed eight miles whoa Yeah,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: did this buck have a name by other people? Yeah?
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: So the guy eight miles he had him as a
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: mega time junior. Yeah, apparently five six years prior there
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: was a one that that guy killed that they believe
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: was this the sire this genetics? So I don't know,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Mark Ken the guy. Is he the one who named it?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Legati J Mark's drunk, that's like, yeah, So then I
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: named him moose after I well, actually whenever I saw
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: him coming the originally like that's a freaking moose man.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: That's just stup. Can we can we go back to
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: the eight mile away guy? Yeah? Who's this guy? His names?
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: You want to bleep that? Give me? And what's his story? Dustin? Can?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: I if I were you, I wouldn't even be talking
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: about my sister's property one county away. That's too specific.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: I don't get too shook up about it. It's because
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: this is a great time I think to bring up
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: how Dustin is not the same hunter that Spencer and
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Mark are, right, we need to talk about those differences
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: and why these guys like right now their panties are
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: literally in a wad because I'm saying here, like yeah,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: it's good. Yeah, it's like shooting. I just go deer hunting.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: I love deer hunting. Good. So, like you're apprehension based
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: on the fact that people are just gonna descend on
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: this corner about Indian hard to like find a property
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: hunt that I'm really stoked on, whether it's public land
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: or by permission or whatever, that I would not tell
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: my wife like what I'm doing, or like what property
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: I'm on, because that's like how like he fell out
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: of a tree about died, laid there for days because
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: he didn't like to tell anyone where he hunts, becau,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: his wife didn't even know. His wife didn't even know
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: how to, didn't have any idea where to say. When
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: he never came home, She's like, I don't know he's
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: out hunting. The stakes are that high. Yeah, but this
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: happens all the time. I mean, I'm sure it happens
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: out west too, but locally in the Midwest, it happens
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: to myself. I've got guys trying to least stuff around me,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: or at least stuff that I have access to for free.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: They find out that you hunt there, they've seen what
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: you've killed there, and all of a sudden's gone, or
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: they hear from the lantern, well, I'm being offered five
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars by this other guy. I got to share
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: something a little behind the scenes. If he was like,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: if he let me tell a story, I'll try to
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: make quick one night. Like, here's advice for anyone with kids,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: anyone married with kids. If you want your wife to
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: not be mad at you, take your kids to go
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: do whatever you're going to do. No one ever got
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: mad at a spouse who had took all the kids
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: to do something. You're like bulletproof. Except one night, uh,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: me and my buddy Tony took all of our kids.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: So we had a shipload of kids and we took
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: clan digging and things got carried away and we were
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: gone way late on a school night, and I got
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: on the phone driving and got yelled at. And then
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: he got a call and got yelled at. And he
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: said to me, um, if they if this is his quote,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: if we were the way they wanted us to be,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't like us. My wife's like, yeah, I would,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: But point being if he is like like, oh, like that,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't be on the show because I would have
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: been like just a if he was a big buck
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: blow hard, that's a big buck blow hard. I wouldn't
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: have been like wanting to talk to him. I like
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: big buck blowhards. What I'm saying, it wouldn't have been
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: like I wouldn't have I wouldn't have been an entertaining
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: story to me. Yeah, I get that. Are you jealous
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: that he has a buck named after him? Now? I
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: don't have a buck name after me. You do? You
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: never seen it? It's on my water, But I imagine,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: oh right, the buck I killed when you were off
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: in the hospital. Oh, that was the one that helped
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: you pack. I made a sticker and it was called
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: the Ronella Bucks. Yeah. He made a really nice decal,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: the kind of you like put the whole decal behind
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: it on something and then you ate a couple of
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: minutes from it in and then you peel that big
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: plastic people off and the decal is just left. Well,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: Steve ran around with the whole thing on because I
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: didn't know that, Like, hey man, I, unless you're really
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: trying to protect that decal, you know, you can peel
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: that other part off. And I look to do it. It
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: It was too late to kind of ruin the did
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: the decail have you like fidgeting with your belt and
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: your pants? You my pants around my knees. Uh. The
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: guy that was eight miles away, um, he was onto it. Yeah.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: So he came like three or four days after I
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: killed this deer, and I got a Facebook message from him,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: was like, Hey, dude, this is gonna be crazy, but
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: I hunt over here. I'm pretty sure I was hunting
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: that deer, you know, And I had already had a guy.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say the name, so we don't have
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: to bleep it out. But so this I'm writing all
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: this down. I kind of a shark here Bill Bill
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: sell all this Bill is gonna go in alive and
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: started selling unbleeped the unbleeped cut. Yeah. I've been doing
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: it for about the two and a half years now.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: It's nothing new. Website pops up dot com. Yeah. But
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: uh so he come over the next day because he
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: wanted to see this dear. He knew that was that
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: was the deer. You know, he had this deer after
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: talking to him in his sights the year before as
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: an eleven pointer, guests him at about two yards freehand,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: couldn't pull the trigger. So he comes over and oh,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: he just put his head down right when I opened
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: up at walk in cooler. He just goes, that's him,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: because that's him, And I said yeah, And then he
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: starts showing me all the cams you know, trail camp
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: picks videos. Oh yeah, so I mean he had three
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: years to three years of him. And then, like I said,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: three or four days later, come down. He's like twenty
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: five minutes away and uh starts showing me from Moose
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: as a three and a half year old ten pointer
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: two an eleven and then into twelve when I killed him,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: He jumped from one seventy five to whenever I killed you.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: A lot of people have his sheds. One guy found
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: so what is his name? I don't even know his
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: they shoote. I can't remember. But anyways, he brought him
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: to the Indianapolis show. I had moose at and uh
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: he side by, he said, I found side by side
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: and he had him scored there one with giving him
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: a twenty inch spread. Never from the year before. That's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: from the year before. W'd you kill him? Was it
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: during the rut? Yeah? It was November four, so he
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: was he was wandering, he was, Yeah, he was walking
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: right through the woods first week in November. Our buddy Clay,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: he's got a great story. It kind of shows one
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: of the things that's cool about Clay is, uh, he
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: was after a big giant buck in his neighborhood. And
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: he lives in a you know, like it's not like
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: big egg arias, right, little chunks here and there, and um,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: it's hard to keep track of a deer, right. Yeah.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: But anyways, he's aware of a big giant buck and
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: find some of its sheds, and then he hears of
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: a guy right, the got it and he was like, damn,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: you know, like the story's over right. Yeah, but but
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Clay brought him and gave him the match and sheds
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: a couple of sets of sheds. That's pretty dude. Yeah, yeah, Anya,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: your bud. That dude didn't give I was hoping i'd
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: get him. You need to subtenly suggest he listened to
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: this episode so he hear's that story. It's a little guilty. Yeah,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: I know. I've talked to him at the Indian Apple
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Show and he said there's too much people like wanting
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: these sheds. So I was just like, you know, collectors
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: and stuff. So I was just like, well, let me
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: just make some replicause of him or something. You know.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Do you know the last time this buck was spotted
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: by someone else, whether he's on trail camera, pers like,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: how how far he came to wind up and see
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: how this is flowing? Yeah? So what was the question again? Yeah?
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: How far did this buck like travel as of late
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: before you killed him? Uh? Well, I mean so the
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: only time that we have him confirmed at eight miles
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: away is only December through February. That's the only time
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: and then on But I thought he had him, he
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: had him in his sights. No, no, no, this is
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: who's adjacent to my right beside my property that I hate.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: The neighbor had him, the neighbor adjacent to my the
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: woods eye. And he didn't come tell you. Yeah, he hadn't.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: He didn't come to the next day after I killed it,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: and he saw pictures and goes, that's him, your own neighbor,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: own neighbor. Now he's a cool guy though, But so
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: when you see him, you're like, hey, what's going on, man,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: how's der hunting been? Well? I never really, we never
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: were che Yeah that's the thing, you red, Harry. Yeah,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: but you there was no two in talk about any deer,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Like nobody knew about it. If I was your neighbor,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: I had been like listeners, a big one forty. If
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: you see him, yeah, I would shooting him and get
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: out of the woods. Don't hesitate, get out of the
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: woods and don't come back, because that's it. Yeah, So
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: why were you in this spot on this property? And
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: like why did that buck want to be there? What
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: was he doing? So going back to pictures, So after
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: that next day brought some pictures over and so his
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: first daylight was October sevente. That was his first daylight
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: he got of him. And that's whenever I was like,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: I gotta start taking work off, you know, like it's
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: him on a camera camera. Yes, what he saw in October.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: October sevente was his first daylight. So then so he's
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: coming into the rusting to show up. Yeah, five and
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: a half, you're always starting to show up in the daylight.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: And uh, so I come home, but you didn't know that.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: I did not know, So I just come home. I
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: always take off the last I don't do nothing the
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: last week of October. In the first week in November,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: I go deer hunting. That's all. I don't write no songs.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: I do it from a tree stand. But just write
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: him in your head. Yeah, I'll just get on my
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: phone and write. But uh, you're not up there like
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: in the tethered saddle. I don't have a sixth straight
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: with very anything. But so he was getting picks of
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: him constantly October and I shot him on November four.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: Pretty crazy, did he he never like had a close
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: encounter or nope not the year before he did? Was
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: that two yards was the only time he's saw him
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: so he had been getting pitted. But like I said,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't know about So I hunt that last week
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: in November or last week. You're like a serious enough
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: deer hunter where you're like, come the rut, I'm hitting
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: two weeks hard. Oh yeah, yeah, I deer hunt all
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: all the time. So, um, the reason why I was
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: there was I had I was on day seven or eight,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: and I got four set stands on that property. So
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: my nephew killed. How far is this from your house? Okay? Yeah,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: so you don't need to go stay somewhere, you're just hunt,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: you're hunting at home. Yeah. So uh, I took my
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: nephew out on Halloween because he killed his first dough
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: in September, which was you season, first deer he ever killed,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: first time, first time ever going out, put twenty five
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: grains of powder in a fifty cow and let him
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: smoke on fifteen yards. So it's pretty cool. That's great. Yeah,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: so the first time. So he's he's way ahead of
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: way ahead of where I am. So uh, like I said,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: I've been hunting that whole week that last week of October. Uh,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: And on Halloween, I took Easton out again. So he
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: kill his first buck, so he could have easily killed
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: this deer because this was before I shot him. He
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: could have been he could have been the guy. So
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: I told him, like route when getting sand I said, uh, Eastern,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: like your your buck hunting today? First buck comes by
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: and he, you know, he's saying he just went to
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: bash Pro for the first time how many weeks ago,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: and he was like, hey, Dusty, uncle, Dusty, wouldn't be
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: crazy if we killed a big buck and got it
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: in the bass Pro shop. Literally said that. I started
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: laughing at him. I'm like, Eastern, I'm like, that's not
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: gonna happen. I said, But first deer comes through with
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: some you know, horns on his head, you can shoot it.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: And he killed a five pointer about nine o'clock that
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: some more that morning, and I killed a dough right after.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: So what's the five poinner? Is that a two by
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: three or five five? Yeah? He had one on one side,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: two on the other, and then two little I'm the
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: blank by blank crowd here just more specific helps out folks. Yeah,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: I've switched to that, but come on, it was a
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: little deer, but it was his first buck, so it's
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: pretty cool, you know. So I'm buck hunting. So four
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: days later, I'm going through these four set stands, you know,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: just depending on whend, how the weather is. And then
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: so you're being like you're being serious. Yeah, I mean
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: you're playing the wind and thinking it's like I don't
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: get two. It's like I go deer hunting, you know,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: it's just it's deer hunting using any cover sent I
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: use heat wave, heat wave cover center calm. It's a
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: calming scent, heats it up to like a hundred seven
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: degrees and disperses. What do you think about that mark?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: It's pretty wild. That's not my cup of tea. But
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: teacher on, hold on, I thought that's my things. I
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: had no idea I was there. I can't see it work,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: but yeah, so uh but that evening I just decided,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: like I had been hitting those set stands pretty hard,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: you know, with Easton, and then I was hunting by
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: myself too. So I also got a climber that I
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: got eighth grade year when I bought my first bow.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Still got it. It's the summit viper, and get a
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: new climber. No I ain't got it? Oh yeah I did.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Actually they didn't give me one they gave me to actually,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: so anyways, that evening, I just I hunted, tell about noon,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: uh tell lunch that morning on November four, one of
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: my set stands same one where Easton killed the five
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: pointer out of and uh so that hunt tel noon,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: went home, got lunch, came back. I didn't even know
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: where I was gonna go. Times you get back up
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: in there about three. It's at three o'clock because whenever
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: I took the truck back and I took my climber
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: with me, I didn't even know where I was gonna go.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: I just I'm gonna mix it up today. It was
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: about forty five. It was pretty warm day day in November,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm just gonna go to this
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: west end of the farm, like I didn't even I
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: hadn't been back there in a while. And all those
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: other sets of the east side, right, Yes, all my
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: other ones are on the east side, so that I
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: usually the west side of the farm to the deer.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: You know, I just let the property lines about a
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: hundred yards from where I set up from uh property line.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, got up about three o'clock that evening, you know,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: put my sin up, got my climber up, saw it
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: off two limbs, and within three and a half hours
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: I killed the biggest deer in the USA. Didn't see
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't see a deer all evening. Didn't see a
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: deer all evening. And that was the first deer I seen.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: All right, So why are we through? The actual moment? Brody?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: Is your question ready to come? Right up? We're coming.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: You already asked it. I knew you would the rumors
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: about the but like people, but I feel like you're
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: leaving a lot out for these two white tailed nerds
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: over here. Like there's no like funnel oak flat, like
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, hanging in the woods. No, so like I'm
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: up on the oak flat. Um yeah, so uh there's
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: the acorns were dropping. Oh yeah, what do you call
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: those do? What? What do you call patch or out patch?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: We say, go up to the oak patch and you know?
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: Um so yeah, I got up three thirty whatever, didn't
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: see a deer and it was about six thirty right,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: I'm talking right whenever the sun hit her up. Tell
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: me more about your setup. What do you mean what
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: you're hunting? You're hunting, You're hunting in the oak grove.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: I got a creek running about and that's where I
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: seen about seventy yards uh to my south or to
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: my north, I mean, and then um, there's woods uh
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: all around I mean, and then about three yards back
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: is the cornfield. I mean, it's just a huge ass cornfield.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: Like I said, it's timber and crops. But just getting nervous.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: You ever climbed this tree in the past. Nope, this
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: was the first time because I saw two limbs off
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: going up like I had been around there before, but
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: I never got up in this tree. Have you been
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: up there that season? Huh? No, I hadn't been back
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: here since. This story is is so it's like a
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: like an archetype of a hunting story. There's so many
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: that go just like this, where either a new hunter
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: or someone like in your situation where you always hunt
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: one area and the first time you go to the
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: one spot, you never go to the big buck that
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: big bucks like I'll tell you on they never go
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: to exactly. So like there's there's people who say, like,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: how how come is it that like the new hunter
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: that goes up for the first time ever shoots the
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: big giant buck or the kid or whatever, and it's
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: always because they would pick the place that all the
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: pros never go, or in this case, the one spot
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason you didn't go, and that's where they be.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: He hangs out there and doesn't see people and treat
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: shooting arrows at them. They figured out, did you leave it?
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: Was it? Like? Can you say you never? You left
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: it for the deer? So like do you guys kind
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: of treat it as the sanctuary, like it's off limits
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: most of the time. I mean they're like, uh, one
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: of our buddies, he goes back here and hunts it.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: But me, I just always just leave it over that
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: way because it's pretty thick that on the west side,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: So I just always leave up for the deer and
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: stay on the east side. And that's where most of
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: the funnels aren't really but back there is that oak
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: flat and then the property line. So here's my yard.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: You can hunt over there more often. Now in the future,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: I think I'm going to. I think I'm going to
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: this season for sure, I'm gonna try it out. That
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: east side's gonna get real good again a year or
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: two off and then go back into year two. Okay,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: with the last question, I'm gonna ask you in a
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: little bit. Is um, you realize it's all downhill from here?
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: Oh I know. Okay, so I'll ask you about that.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: So so give me the moment. Oh shoot, so I'm
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: talking sitting there, you're like the song a second verse.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: I actually did write a song that week, and uh
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: it's called Country is a Good Thing. And uh so
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: I was just sitting there on my phone, texting my girlfriend,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: texting my dad. You know, just you know, no deer,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: you've seen any deer? Nope? And I'm talking at dusk. Yeah,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: it's it's right as the freaking I'm talking right one.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy because right when the sun hit, like,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: I got a text and I'm pulling my phone out
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: and he said any deer, And I'm about to text back,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: and right whenever back, ain't seeing a deer. And right
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: as I'm about to text, I looked to my left
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: and I just see movement and all I saw was
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: these big gass antlers facing me with his head down
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: and he put his head up and that's when I went,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: oh my god, that's a moose. And after I've seen him,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't you know, you're thinking, where's this deer gonna go?
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: Is he How far out is he? He's about seventy yards.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: First see him, and I'm just like, you know, I'm
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: blacking out. I'm just shaking like crazy, you know, I'd
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: never I'm thinking sev in deer, like nobody's gonna believe this,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: and uh, he starts coming right to me in the No,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: he's just he's just walking through the woods. Man. It
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: was it was where he's just moving saplings on his
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: way by I mean it was crazy, yeah, and so
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: no clue, had no idea. I had no idea, and
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: you had good wind, a good wind, and some good
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: scent heat waves it so so anyways, um, I didn't
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: even have time to range finding, so my range finders
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: in my pocket. But it's quick, like from when he
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: put his head up to me going wow, this is
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: the biggest deer I've ever seen in my life. He's
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: coming right up the ridge and I mean it's saplings
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: all over the place. So I'm just like, when do
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: I When am I gonna shoot him? So I just
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: whistled at him when he was maybe forty I was
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: just guessing forty yards because it was a minute, minute
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: and a half, two minutes. I don't even know I
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: blacked out, and uh I did, and I've whistled at
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: him and he looked at me. The whistle okay, that
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: literally just a little whistle and he looks at me
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: and I can't shoot him. I mean, I'm just sitting
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: there with my crossbow and I can't. I got two
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: saplings right in the boiler room and I'm about to
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: just throw up, like I'm just like I can't shoot
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: this deer. Like do I got shot him? Though? I
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: can't do that, you know, like that's stupid. And uh,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: I had maybe a yard. I was just like, man,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: if he takes one step, I think I can sneak
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: one in there. And I let him take one more
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: and I whistled and he took a second step instead
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: of just that was in the trees. Then yeah he
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: was so he knew where the sound was coming. Yeah
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: he knew. And right whenever he took that second step,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: I had a little sapling again, so I just had
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: to go a hair to the left and just pulled
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: the trigger quick smoked him. He ran fifty sixty yards
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: straight west, stopped, looked around. All I could see was
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: the rack behind him, you know, and I'm seeing his
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: as old man, that's the biggest. He looked, and uh,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: he stops about fifty sixty yards, looks around. I'm just
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: gonna go down, Go down, baby, And then he starts
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: doing the dance, flicking his tail and I said, oh yeah,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: he's dropping and dropped fell back into the holler that
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: it came from, and I just went, let's go. Just
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: I put my heads up, shaking like crazy. Called my
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: girlfriend mckayley, like I said, I was on day seven eight,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: So she's when you're gonna be home. You ain't gonna
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: kill big deer, you know. I'm like, baby, I gotta
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: be out there to kill something bigger than my one
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: thirty four you And I was just trying to beat that.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: And when I sent her that picture, she was like,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: oh my god. Well when I called her, I was like,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: you don't even understand, Like I just smoked a one
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: sev in deer, and she's just fired up about it
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: because even though she doesn't really know, you know, like
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, it's the biggest deer that I've ever seen,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: you know, And uh yeah. Then I called my dad
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: right after and I said, Pops, you're gonna need to
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: get her crew out here. I said, I'm still on
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: the tree, and he said, now take your time, dust.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: He's like, I know you shook up and you're worked
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: up about it, but just just wait to come down
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: till we get there, which I did, and I was
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: already already up. You were, Yeah, he knew that I was.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I wanted to be safe, yeah, exactly,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: And so I waited for them. I didn't go see
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: the deer. I just took all my stuff up to
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: the field edge. Like I said, it's about some strong willpower.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: I saw him go down, so I knew. But I
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: wanted my dad and everybody to be there when we
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: got up, because I knew this was gonna be. I
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: didn't think, you know, state record or anything like that,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: but I just knew it was gonna be probably the
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: biggest deer that any of us have ever seen, or
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: going to the biggest typical USA. Yeah, And he was
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: just seventy yards from your tree standing you chose not
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: to go. Look, he was fifty sixty yards and I
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: watched him fall and he went down in the hall,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: and I was just like, and I knew, like, but
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: I knew he was huge, but I didn't go look,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: I waited until uh he's one of the boys of
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: Uh he's got three boys and hog farming. They all
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: come out, everything come out of his mouth. And so
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: is gonna develop software that just finds names, Yeah, finds
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: names in big Buck stories. And yeah, he'll he'll sit
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: back at home. Let I'll just do it. Ye. So yeah,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: we got up on him and we're all just like
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: in shock. Really, you know, we're just looking around, like
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: high five and then just like, well, what's he going
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: to score? And I'm just thinking one eight, you know,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: and I'm and I said one five was like that
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: was me pushing. I'm like, he's maybe five, and then
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: goes the prophet. Now he goes I'd say he's high
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: one sixties. I said, I think he's a little bigger
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: than that. Man. I said, give him some credit. But
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: you know, we're just we're not guys that we don't
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: put tape on deer. We don't if we're close to
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: fifteen inches, we shoot him. It's just like, you know,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: that's just how it is. So with us trying to
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: figure out how big this deer was was like, you know, whatever.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: So I got him out there in the woods and
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: took six of us to get him out. I was
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: gonna ask, what was your body like? Was he just
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: three hundred and is what we're He's probably two thirty
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: field dress, so three hundred on hoof is what we
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: were guessing. It was me and six other guys. Oh,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: it's we didn't. We were just guessing just from deer
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: we've killed prior, you know, um, just guessing them off that.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. I had my shirt off by
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: the time we got up to the field edge after
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: dragging him, because I was just out of shape and
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: dragon deer shows you how bad how to shape your arm.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: So uh yeah, we got him in the truck and
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: uh took him back to the house. And at this
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: point I have started to send like snapchats, you know,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: to my buddies, and I said, boys like I killed
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: A one eight and my buddy Blake and Byron Am
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: I allowed to said their name, They're not they're they're
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: just my friends, you know, they're just not friends. And
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: they come up there like I said, yeah, we're gonna,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: we're gonna skin this deer out. You know. We do
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: all our processing and stuff in the basement the house
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: and uh By, Buddy Blake said, put the knife down,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: do not touch that deer. He goes, I'm coming over.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: I'll be there in fifteen minutes to keep it out. Yeah,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: and we were gonna cut the backstraps out and everything,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: you know. And uh so he comes there and he goes,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: that is not that's a two deer. He goes, let
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: me put a tape on it. Like he's never really
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: he's not an official score. He knew enough to where
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: where to put it and how to you know, And
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: we got the does all my scoring for yeah, and
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: we got the number. And he goes, you're gonna need
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: to get this in a like a safe dude. I'm like, no, dude,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: I'm just like no. Like he goes, You're gonna need
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: to get pictures, like professional pictures of this deer. And
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: I start laughing at him. I'm like, dude, I'm not
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: calling enough a photographer to get this picture of me
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: in this deer. Like I thought he was nuts. I
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: thought he was nuts. He's like, I'm telling you, dude.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: So I called my photographer that I used for like
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: my music and stuff, and I was like, hey, you
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: want to come take a picture that this was the
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: next morning. I was like, hey, I killed this deer
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: yesterday evening, you want to come take some pictures. My
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: buddies say that this is gonna be a big deal,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: and sure enough that's whenever. The next day was whenever,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: Um you called, Spencer called me. Yeah, Luke texted me,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: and I said, that's not my world. Yeah, but I
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: know who he ought to talk to. I guess I
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: can kind of go into that night too after because
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Luke called me that once. I had said, like after
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: we fun, yeah, so like after we knew kind of
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: what we had. You know, me and my buddies and
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: my dad were just downstairs drinking beers like damn, this
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: is crazy, and we had put the words right out
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: of my mouth. We had rolling rock that night, little
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: bloody Mary there. I just keep the white pail, you know,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: white ale and um. So we're all just down there
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: and I couldn't sleep at night after they all left,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: like I was just I kept getting up and going
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: checking on him. You know. After my buddies are telling
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: me like, dude, this is a big deal, like you're
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: gonna need to get this in a safe and I'm
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: just like, shoot, I better like not go to sleep tonight,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: like what if these pictures get out? And I didn't know.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: And so about two o'clock at morning, I get that.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: That night is whenever I tweeted out like it was
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: just a tweet, like I couldn't say. I was like,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: I think I killed the biggest deer in Indiana, like
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: Indiana state record. And so I put no pictures, no nothing,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: and uh, Ray, I was telling you about Ray Fulture
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: who he wrote like when it rains at poors and stuff.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: I always torn with Luke and uh been buddies for
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: a while now. And he texts me, he goes, he goes,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: oh huff. He calls me all he goes, oh huff.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: Now let me see this deer that you tweeted about.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: So I sent him two pictures. Right after I sent him.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: I'm in bed and I get a call from Luke.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: Luke Combs. I'm like, shoot, go out into the kitchen.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what's up, Luke? How you doing? Man? It's
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: been a while, you know, And he goes, Bubbs. He
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: calls me Bubbs because I was always the youngest, you know,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: kid on whenever we go on tour and stuff. I
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: was the opener, and I was always twenty one, twenty two,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I was just the the young guy in
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: the group. And he goes, Bubbs, you don't even realize
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: what you did, did you. I said, oh, man, it's
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: it's huge. Man. This is gonna be a wall hanger. Man.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: He goes, no, he goes, don't do anything. But yeah,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: he goes, don't do anything. He goes, I'm gonna call
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: somebody for you. And I said, all right, cool man,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. And then he called me into marrow
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: or the next day, and then Spencer called me right after,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: and then that's kind of how the story launched. I
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: guess crazy. Yeah, I don't. I don't want to like
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: be a douche bag, but I'm uniquely I'm uniquely suited
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: to hell somebody dustin in this situation. I knew. And
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: when I suggested guys walk through, I suggested Spencer because
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: Spencer one pays attention to this, and Spencer knows what
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: happens when people shoot big deer and like, what the
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: steps are. I used to work for North America. I
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: told Spencer. I told Spencer, did I warn you? I
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: think I warned you. I warned not to exploit him.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: Did I Uh, yeah, I think he did see that.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that was in just like big big big Buck,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: Big big Bug, did Spencer, do You're right or do
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: you're wrong? Okay, uniquely suited to help someone like dust
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: in this situation. I used to work in North American
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: White Tail, who is like the proprietor of of big
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: Buck stories. They want to buy them for their cover
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: of their magazine. I've covered like world record deer in
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: the past. I've talked to bass pro, Cabela's, some of
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: the folks that have killed some of the biggest deer
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: in the world about how they went through the selling
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: process of their antlers to to profit off of these situations. Um.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: And we've also covered like a lot of big box
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: on our website and other places, and like sort of
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: the fallout from that, whether it's like accusations of poaching
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: or just like the all the negative things they can
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: come from that. So the next day Dustin and I
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: probably spend like an hour on the phone talking about
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: like here's here's the next step, uh, to like set
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: you up to benefit and to get this thing legitimized. Yeah,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: the fat and SKINNYO it is you shoot a big
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: old buck. Call Spencer, if you got a world record buck,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: hit me up. I'd love to love to coached me
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: through it. He did too, Man, Uh, you sold the deer.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: I did well? What was one of the Spencer spent
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: an hour with him in game, the whole thing. But
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: we're not gonna hear any of that. Like, give me
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: one main takeaway. What was like the one thing that
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: Spencer said in that hour where you're like, man, that
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: was really a hot tip for me. Well, it's just
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about the business side of deer hunt.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: I just didn't even know there was deer shows or anything,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: like you go take a deer to a deer show
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: or whatever. So like he was coaching me through like
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: the magazines and interviews and this is you know what
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: these go for? What a cover of a magazine? What
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: this is? So I didn't know anything about that stuff.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: How long did it take for taxidermists started calling you? Oh? Shoot,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: it was it was the next day once I posted it.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: Ye did Uh did Spencer ballpark for you? What someone
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: might pay for that rack was? How close was he
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: he was right on it? Dead nuts? Yeah? Jeez, man,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: I can't. Now I realized you you probably can't. You
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: have like a non disclosure. You can't tell us? Can
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: you tell us out? So when they when the guys
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: bought it from you, I don't know. I honestly don't
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: know the number. When the guys bought it from you.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: You signed an n d A. I signed a bill
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: of sale. No, but that's not an n d A. Yeah,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: but I we keep it. It's between me and him
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: as an undisclosed like number. It was. We agreed, Yeah,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: we agreed to not talk about want I asked you
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: what you did with your money? It's in a very
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: safe location. Remember that there was one record holder. I
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: talked to, Luke Brewster, I think has still the non
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: typical world record white Tail. He had said he was
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: offered hundred thousand dollars and he turned it down. He
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: wouldn't tell me who it was. I asked it like,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: could I have three guesses? And I got it on
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: the second guess who the offer was from? Um? But
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: once the word it got out that he wasn't going
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: to accept a hundred thousand dollars, nobody really bothered him anymore. Okay,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: So all right, did I put an end of the
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: bidding war. Yeah, there was another sell that huge moose
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: for I want to say it was sixties, I remember
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: forty or sixty. There was another guy who killed I
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: think it was the Louisiana or the Mississippi State record,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: non typical, who had said he couldn't tell me again
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: the details of what had exactly sold for, but he
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: said that he had an offer of thirty thirty thousand
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: dollars he was about to accept, but somebody came in
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: at the last minute and made a better offer that
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: included more money plus more replicas that he ended up taking.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: So those Dustin can't tell us what the number would be,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: but something because you can you haven't use your imagination.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Did you get a replica? How I can get I'm
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: gonna get the property owner one horses cost to get one.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say we should get one for the studio.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, we kind of blew all our money
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: on this meat tester we had left that You're into
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: and Dustin's into. We definitely need to have a replica
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: of the Oh you know what we did buy that's
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: like this Actually, did you guys hear about this yet?
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: At auction? What don't you pay for it? Spencer at auction,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: we bought an eight foot punt gun. Dollars Can you fire?
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: Make a lot of money off this punt gun? Can
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: we fire it? Oh? Yeah, that's the whole things about
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: when's that party happened? Eight eight foot long investment. He
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: calculated it out to be a two gauge. It's estimated
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: that throws about one pound throws a pound leg for reference,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: that turkey load is like two ounces max. Eight foot
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: long punt gun. You pull a string to make it
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: go off. It just looks like a shotgun with a
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: never ending barrel on it. Twenty hy dollars at auction
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: and H and H we're gonna make the world's best
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: performing YouTube video of all time. You don't remember Gallaghy
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: how used to like another eighties reference from for your
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: Young Wimer Snappers or used to be a comedian. He
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: had two sticks. He liked a toy with the English language.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: So he would be like, Um, there is t h
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: E I R, but there is th h e r E.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: What gives That was like some of Gallagher's humor, and
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: then he'd do that line of humor about why things
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: are spelled the way they're spelled. And then he get
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: out a big sledgehammer and he would smash fruit. Watermelons
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: were big for him. That was like when you went
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: to see gallaghery, that's what you got, you smashing watermelons.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: He'd smashed anything you think of. I bet you Mark
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: and uh Spencer have no idea who you're talking about.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: The crowd Sometimes you would put on a piano's exciting.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: People in the know would bring plastic sheeting at a
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: Gallagher concert. Okay. The reason I bring up Gallagher is
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: me and Spencer are gonna take the shooting all man
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: or stuff with our punt gun. I'm ready to see that.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: I won the auction about ten days ago. We hope
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: it's going to be here in June. So Dust and
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, uh yeah, put a button on
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: talking about that does a does a world record, but
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: taste better than a run of the mill one thirty.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: What happened all the meat? I've ate about four or
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: five packages of it of the backstrap? Can you send
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: us a chunk for a meat tester? Hey, I'm actually
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: gonna do some No, I'm actually gonna do some jerky.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: How about jerky or do you guys wants a little chunk,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: when your little chunk of meat hole muscle, and we'll
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: tell you what, We'll tenderness test it. And so then
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: when you're telling people the stats, let's do it'll be
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: like it scored this tenderness test of four point three
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: best tasted world class out there. I'm getting backed up
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: on questions right now. I'm just listening to figure out.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: So you've eating four or five packages? Are you savoring it?
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: Are you valuing that meat as much as the guy
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: that bought the antlers from you is valuing those that bone? Well,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just whenever mckayley, my girlfriend wants to
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: if you're when you send Steve his little bitty chunk,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: if you want to send me like I would very
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: pot luck in the world because it'd be a great
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: way to bring it. Well, you know that meatball you're eating,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: how do you think about that? Well, the world record.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: You might be interested in the fact that's a world record.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: That would be pretty cool to uh, you know, share
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: that with some friends. I have a little party. We
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: had the world record book. We had friends giving UH
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: November thirty after I killed the deer and UH ended
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: up taking taking it over there and frying it up,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: having a poker, having a poker, and I was like,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: you boys bearter getting your snapchatsy that you class white
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: tail here. The one thing we talked about, Dustin was
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: that like, this is gonna happen regardless of what your
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: next steps are, that folks are gonna call you out.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: Is like you poached it, this was a high fence
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: deer whatever, and imagine that happened either way. But I
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: was like, you should really get a game warden over
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: there to just like take a picture of you in
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: the buck together and the game warden standing there and
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: that'll like shut some of this down and see the
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: gut pile whatever. Yeah, So like and that's what I did.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: I called d n R and I talked to the
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: lady and she was just like like the disc at
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: true or whatever. She was just like I said, I
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: killed the like possibly state record in Indiana, And she
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: was just like I had no idea what I was
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: talking about. I'm like, who do I need to talk to? Yeah,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: and I'm just like who do I need to get
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: somebody here to check this deer out? So like, but anyways,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: like nobody ever came. So then like three or four days,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: five days later, I'm getting calls from D n R. Well,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: I'm back in nash wondering like where I killed this deer?
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: Or like they were now they're following up, they're starting,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: they're starting to get calls from people all over the place.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, oh he posted it, he Bobby shot it
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: with a rifle, blah blah blah blah blah. And why
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: just people talking. It's unreal, man. It doesn't matter whether
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: the story because it's impossible. It's really impossible to to
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: to which to me it was impossible too, but it happened.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: And it's just like you know what Pat Durkin says,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: big bucks make people stupid. Yep, that's true. Oh he
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: doesn't say haters gonna hate haters. I would love to hear.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: I think you're confusing Pat Durkin with a young lady
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: who sings pop music. Yeah, go on, So I'm I'm
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: down in Nashville, you know, writing songs that week, and
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: uh get a call, hey when can you be you know,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: when you can you be back up here to show
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: us where you killed this deer? I said, Well, I'm
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: not going to be home for another to three days
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: or so. Um. So they went out there. I told him,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: gave him the property owner's number, and I went out there,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: found my gut pile, found my tree. They were texting me.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: I had the DNR number, and he said, is it
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: was it? This tree? Two limbs cut off about twenty
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: ft up. I said, that's it. I said, gut pole
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: should be about you know, sixty yards in that haller.
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  Speaker 1: And they found it. What was left of it, you know,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: there was coyotes had got to it, but what was
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: left of the gut pile. And there was a week
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: or two that went by, you know, I thought everything
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: was squashed. Like okay, cool, they're still getting more phone calls. Well,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: they wanted to come have another sit down. So I said, well,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: come over to the house and sit down on couch.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: I'm some coffee. I'll tell you about the whole hunt
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: if you want to. You know, hear about it. So
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: they so they're just getting calls some people who are
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: like it has to be yeah, that's what they were saying.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: They're like, we just keep getting calls like man, and
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: we just want to I said, well, I said, here's
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: the antlers, like showed him the antlers, and I told
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: him everything. They want to see the arrow or anything
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: like that. They talk to the landowner. Yeah, talked to
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: the landowner. Uh yeah. And it was just like the
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: thing about it was is people think that I live
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: in Nashville, so it was a residency thing. But I
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: I'm an Indiana resident. I just travel for work, you know,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: to write songs down and record songs. So like there
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: was this huge thing of like I said, well, you
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: can look at my bank statements. I said, I've been
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: living here. I said, I moved away at nineteen, but
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: I moved back and now I just traveled back and forth.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: I said, but the past five six years I've been
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: you know here, you know. So yeah, it's but we
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: finally squashed it. We all took pictures together and so yeah,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: so here's what I wonder about situations like yours and
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: other people have gone through this. You shoot this this
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: world class, dear. You never really this is never something
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: you were trying to do, right, You just want to
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: be a deer hunter. But now you you stumble into
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: this world class dear. Now you're dealing with d n R,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: You're dealing with allegations approaching you're dealing with the business side.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: All of a sudden, people are offering your money for
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: the deer. People are inviting you too shows, and now
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: you're traveling all over the country and you're talking to
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: a thousand people and everyone wants a piec of You're
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: glad it happened? Like, are you okay with this? Do
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: you like this? Or has it been? Like? I got
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: more in a bargain for I've prayed for a long time,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: uh for music to you know, I just needed a break.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: You know, I had three d dollars in my bank
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: account when I shot this thing. So it has completely
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: changed my life in a the best way ever. It's
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: crazy nice, that's awesome. Uh Uh remember how I told
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: you I was gonna ask you about Do you like
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: it's all downhill from here? Yeah? I mean I'm buck hunting.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: So now have you redefined a shooter? Buck? I'm going
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: back to one thirty four if I can beat my
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: one thirty four and yeah, it's just like and if
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: I can maybe get lucky enough to work my weptope,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: one forty one sixty's going back to November. Yeah, I'm
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: not even gonna that's just most the reset button. Yeah,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: it's just the reset I'm and my things like it's awesome,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: but it's like I have I get just the joy
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: out of shooting a dough, you know, or I just
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: love deer hunting. I love eating deer, so it's great man. Yep. Um,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: your girlfriends stayed with you through this whole thing. Yep, yep,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: she's yeah. Do you get you get approached by women
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: who just want to be closer, Like if you're like
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: in prison, women want to write your letters just because
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: you're in jail. No, no antler chasers. Thank god, you
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: kind of answered my whash, So I'm gonna ask you
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: anyways in case you want to add to it, because
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: you said you had three hundred bucks in your bank account,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: which would mean that makes the decision to sell pretty easy.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: But it's still but you know, the USA world record,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: So was it easy? That was? It took me two
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: months after talking with Spencer and really trying to figure
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: out like what my best option was, you know, and
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: I'm getting I had two offers and me and him
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: were talking about bass Pro and like I was waiting
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: for them, but they never called. I had contacted them,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: and I was just trying to figure out if there
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: was more people would be interested, but I only had two. Well,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: then the one guy he made a real good offer
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: and was like come see me. And uh I was
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: over there for like eight or nine hours, just bullshit
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: and and you know, just picking guitar. We were just
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: you know, and then he's a guitar player. He had
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: like three or four guitars only not only monster white tails.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: I mean he had guitars, guns, everything over there. I
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: mean it was awesome, Ted new it. Ted. What I
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: like about you calling him moose? Right afterwards was when
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: the hole in the hornbuck was killed, like back in
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: Y was killed by a train and some railroad workers
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: had found the deer who had no like familiarity with
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: hunting or really wild life in general, and they actually
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: argued about whether it was a moose or a white
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: tail at the time. That's that's crazy. Wow, Yeah, like
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: that was my first thought whenever I first saw him.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: He put his head up. I just go, moose, Holy shit, moose,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: this is a moose? Like what is a moose doing?
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: Indicator County, Indiana? You know, I just like what this
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: is a hog farm? You know what? Hell man? So yeah,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: are you ready to play song for us. Yeah, I
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: might have to tune it back up, though it's probably
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: got out of tune. So Hayden's you don't travel with
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: the guitar, Paul, you do? I't have a guitar over
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: one shoulder, that dear rack. Why, here's why. Luke gave
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: me that guitar, which the one I got Taylor. He
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: gave it was his first show guitar and I've had
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: it for about five six years now. You don't like
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: travel with it? I don't know. It's I'm putting it
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: up in it's going in a glass case on the wall.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: I don't want I would like to get a copy
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: of the replica that dear head, dear handler. Should they
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: make those ones just on a school cap, like a
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: fake school cap. It's just skull captain then, so that's
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: just what the antler's cost. And then whatever the taxidermy
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: and stuff is. If folks, did you keep the real
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: cape or you lost the real got the real cape
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: that was in the deal. I said, I want to
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: have the real cape, so I got to keep it.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: Who are you gonna have stuff the deer I had?
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: It's already done, Yeah, Charlie Watson, North Vernon, Indiana. You
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: should have had John Hayes doing well. This guy was
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: thirty minutes down the road. This guy's thirty hours exactly exactly.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: If folks want to see the buck, I imagine you're
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: gonna be traveling with this thing. It's some trade was
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: coming up this year. Do you know, like what stops
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: you gonna be making? Yeah, so, uh, we're in I'm
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: actually doing Smoky Mountain Knife Works. Gotta show there on
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: July nine from eleven four, playing for like forty five minutes,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: then just showing the deer off, bringing your two passions together.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: That's what we're doing. That's when I was talking like
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: deer hunting into a deer business. It's just crazy that
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: goes hand in hand country music and deer hunting. So
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna start doing, is you know, bring guitar,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: play forty five minutes to show the deer off and
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: tell the story. July nine, Um August, we're in uh
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: where's that at Kansas City? And then I'm in Bloomington,
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: Illinois on the August, and then we're working on September, October,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: November shows and then you get back in tree stand Oh,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: that's what I told him. I said, I said, I
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: got at least have some time for Buck, because you
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: know that's right from And I only killed two deer
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: last year us like kill three or four years. So
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: I'm running along on me. You know, I'm saving that,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: I'm saving moves, so I don't always have a little bit, man,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: I'd always have a little bit. The next day, Um,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: before you and I talked, Luke Combs was making the
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: introduction and one of the things he said was that
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: he's like, this is gonna change his life and it
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: couldn't have happened to a better dude. And he was
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: right like that. That was so damn cool to hear
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: that story. How you're not me or Mark Kenyon killing
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: that buck? Yeah, man, I just it's crazy. And he
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: knew that it was gonna help me, Like that's why
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: he called, you know, texted you, and you know we've
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: been friends for a long time, and um, just I've
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: been praying for something in music to what in the hey,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: you know, like, and sure enough a deer walks through
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: and I shoot it at forty yards and now I
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: can do the deer and the music, you know, hand
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: in hand. It's just it's it's it's god man, it's
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: just how it is. Amen to that. Play us a
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: song you love? So can I tune it first? H
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: Are we doing one song? One song? Yeah? Stay for
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: our trip show. Yeah, I'll just play that fishing song.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: That's fine, that's great. Just it goes good with the
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: meat eater. You know. I should be fishing somewhere on
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: a boat, floating sun tine, cold cane, chilling, thrilling in
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: a five pounds large mouth, good time, grinning. Yeah, I
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: should be fishing. Hell. I should be in a deer stain,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: sipping coffee from a cup, watching the woods wick up,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: spitting red and maine, waiting on a big buck slip
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: up thirty thirty in my hands. I should be in
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: a dear stand huh, in my way from a severy
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: day right race. Hate this backed up traffic far from
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: the skyline, night lights, concrete high rise makes it hard
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: to find the stars, catch the sunset. WHI shh is
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: down a back row, back home, sitting on the best
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: damn honey hoole. I know, shouldn't be caught up in
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: this fast life city living man. I should be fishing. Yeah,
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: I should be way out without a warrior care in
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: the world, instead of staying still stuck heads with some
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: dude in a suit honking in my rear view. I
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: could use a camel line beer. Gotta get out of here,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: A hundred my way from a severy day red race.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: Hate this backed up traffic far from the skyline night lights,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: concrete higher rise makes it hard to find him. Stars,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: catch your sun, said with shots down a back rode,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: back home, sitting on the best damn honeyhole. I know.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: Shouldn't be caught up in this fast live city living man,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: I should be fishing. Man, I should be fishing. I
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: should be taking it slow, taking it in with a
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: west wind blowing just right, A hunting my way from
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: a seven day rat race. Hate this backed up traffic
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: far from these skyline night lights, concrete high rise makes
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: it hard to find them. Stars, catch your sun, said
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: with shots down a back rope, back home, sitting on
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: the best damn honey hoole. I know. Shouldn't be caught
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: up in this fast live city man, I should be fishing, Man,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: I should be fishing. Song of Regret. I wrote that
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: song about living in Nashville, Tennessee. Then you moved back,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: and I moved back, and then I wrote a song
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: about it. Have you gone fishing more? Yes? Good? Oh yeah,
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: We're gonna prioritize fishing a lot more these days. All right, man,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: thanks for coming on cool. I appreciate you all having
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: me Dustin sticking around for Trivia, which we have two
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: big announcements coming up on, so please tune into Wednesday's
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: episode of Trivia with Dustin Wednesday. Dustin Hoff, owner of
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: the former owner of the shooter of the Hunter that
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: killed the Huffbug. Thanks everybody. Oh yeah, I appreciate that. Guys,