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Stranger McRib Things | Wednesday 01.07.26 · The Treehouse Show Podcast

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Speaker 2: It is time to leave your worries outside and laugh
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Speaker 2: with us inside the Treehouse. I'm Dan O'Malley along with
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Speaker 2: Trey Trendholm and Raj Sharma. So much happening already early
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Speaker 2: into this brand new year, not the least of which
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Speaker 2: is this shocking story. A class action lawsuit filed in
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Speaker 2: Illinois claims that McDonald's McRib sandwich does not contain any
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Speaker 2: actual pork rib meat. I thought this has been covered
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Speaker 2: many times over the years that it never did. We
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Speaker 2: all knew it didn't right, and most of us just
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Speaker 2: didn't question because it was tasty.
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Speaker 3: I never had it, have you.
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Speaker 1: I didn't think McDonald's ever even claimed that it had
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Speaker 1: rib meat.
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Speaker 2: That's kind of where I'm at, Like, sure, we call
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Speaker 2: it the McRib, but there's nothing in the real world
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Speaker 2: actually called the mcribs or they're just creating things. But
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Speaker 2: now there's a group of people that feel like, hey,
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Speaker 2: you said rib, therefore you're implying and advertising rib meat
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Speaker 2: in the McRib sandwich. But there isn't any. So now
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Speaker 2: we're going to file a lawsuit and that's exactly what's happened,
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Speaker 2: and they filed it in Illinois, where McDonald's is based.
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Speaker 2: Chicago based fast food giant McDonald's released a statement after
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Speaker 2: a class action complaint alleged the company misled customers, saying
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Speaker 2: the chain's popular Mcribs sandwich does not contain any actual
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Speaker 2: pork rib meat at all. The lawsuit was filed two
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Speaker 2: days before Christmas and was brought by four individuals who
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Speaker 2: claim McDonald's knowingly markets the sandwich in a way that
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Speaker 2: deceives reasonable customers, with the planineiffs alleging the sandwich is
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Speaker 2: actually constructed using are you ready ground up portions of
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Speaker 2: lower quality pork products such as pork shoulder heart and
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Speaker 2: everyone's favorite scalded stomach hmm. The suit also says the
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Speaker 2: sandwich is among the most expensive individual item on the
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Speaker 2: McDonald's menus, costing up to seven dollars and eighty nine
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Speaker 2: cents at some locations, and according to the lawsuit, pork
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Speaker 2: grib meat is traditionally considered a premium cut and lower
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Speaker 2: grade cuts are less valuable. Hence the website I'm sorry,
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Speaker 2: hence the lawsuit, and McDonald's on its website says The
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Speaker 2: mcgrib consists of seasoned, boneless pork dipped in a tangy
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Speaker 2: barbecue sauce, topped with slivered onions and tiny pickles, all
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Speaker 2: served on a toasted home style bun, and also describes
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Speaker 2: the meat as a quote unquote pork patty.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: I think some of these, I mean, obviously this is
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Speaker 1: just they're hoping to get some cash. And if you're
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Speaker 1: eating the McRib, you're really concerned about the cut of meat.
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Speaker 2: Look, I get it if they are truly truly advertising
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Speaker 2: it as some sort of high end thing, like like
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Speaker 2: like take Arby's for example, I think they actually like
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Speaker 2: they had something on their menu that had pork belly
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Speaker 2: on it, and that is now considered a high end
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Speaker 2: menu item and it's very popular among high end restaurants.
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Speaker 2: Pork belly is so the fact that Arby's had it
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Speaker 2: on their menu is like WHOA. Also, because Arby's had
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Speaker 2: it on their menu, a lot of us are like, WHOA,
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Speaker 2: I don't want their pork belly because it may not
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Speaker 2: be very good because it's fast food style. Kind of
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Speaker 2: the same thing with the McDonald's. Right, If I want
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Speaker 2: high end ribs, I'm not at McDonald's ordering the mcribs sandwich.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Hurtado or Prakhan Lodge or
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Speaker 2: something like that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to assume McDonald's because
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Speaker 1: the Big Mac didn't do a bad morning show.
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Speaker 2: Well said, hey. Yeah. A total of sixteen court claims
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Speaker 2: were listed in the suit, including fraudulent omission or concealment,
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Speaker 2: fraudulent misrepresentation, negligent misrepresentation, fraud, breach of contract, and the
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Speaker 2: violation of state consumer protection laws in California, Illinois, New York,
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Speaker 2: and Washington. D C McDonald's issued this statement saying, this
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Speaker 2: lawsuit distorts the facts and many of the claims are inaccurate.
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Speaker 2: Food quality and safety or at the heart of everything
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Speaker 2: we do heart. That's why we're committed to using real
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Speaker 2: quality the ingredients across our entire menu. Our fan favorite
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Speaker 2: McRib sad which is made with one hundred percent pork
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Speaker 2: sourced from farmers and suppliers across the US. See, there
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Speaker 2: you go. That's something important to keep in mind. You're
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Speaker 2: McRib sam which may have a little bit of pig
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Speaker 2: from California, some from North Carolina, it's from all over.
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Speaker 2: It's an American sandwich to be sure. They also say
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Speaker 2: we've always been transparent about our ingredients so guests can
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Speaker 2: make the right choice for them. The mcgrib's history is
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Speaker 2: actually pretty fascinating, dates back decades, having first been introduced
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Speaker 2: onto menus in nineteen eighty one. In a year since,
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Speaker 2: it has returned on a limited basis, which the lawsuit
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Speaker 2: stated compounded consumer confusions surrounding the true contents of the item.
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Speaker 2: The more I read about this, the more it's such
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Speaker 2: a just bs lawsuit. Well you didn't. It's like, there's
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Speaker 2: no there's no actual rib meat in it. It costs
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Speaker 2: too much, and we don't know when it's coming, so
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Speaker 2: then we're confused about it. That's the point. It drives
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Speaker 2: up interest. So when it does all of a sudden
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Speaker 2: drop out of the you know, a barbecue sauce sky,
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Speaker 2: everyone clamors for it because they know it's only for
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Speaker 2: a limited time.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we've read stories over the years of people
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Speaker 1: crossing multiple state lines to go get the McRib. Here's
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Speaker 1: the thought. If you're that worried, don't eat it.
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Speaker 2: Also, let's keep in mind, I feel like this lawsuit
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Speaker 2: is more of an attack on common sense than it
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Speaker 2: is on misleading marketing. It's called the McRib, right, But
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Speaker 2: when you see it, it kind of looks like a
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Speaker 2: small portion of a little baby back rib thing, right,
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Speaker 2: But common sense tells you if you're eating an actual
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Speaker 2: small portion of baby back ribs and you see the
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Speaker 2: little protrusions, you're not supposed to be able to chew
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Speaker 2: through that because that's bone. So when you bite into
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Speaker 2: the McRib and the rib part doesn't have any bone,
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Speaker 2: is that'sn't They don't realize about. What they're mad about
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Speaker 2: is that the thing doesn't have any bone in it
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Speaker 2: because the little protrusion is meant to look like bone,
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Speaker 2: but it's all meat, so the whole thing is not real.
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Speaker 2: It just tastes really good, so people want to eat it.
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna try it now. I've never had it, so no,
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Speaker 4: I have to try it.
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Speaker 2: I imagine, like most things ras, you'll eat it at
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Speaker 2: this point in your life and you'll hate it because
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Speaker 2: you didn't enjoy it as a child.
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Speaker 3: First, it's not a Christmas story. It's the McRib.
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Speaker 2: I bet in your eyes and your mouth both will
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Speaker 2: be equally disgusting because you already don't like Christmas stories.
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Speaker 2: So I assume you probably won't like the mcgrib.
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Speaker 4: I like pickles, I like onions, I like barbecue sauce.
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Speaker 3: I like pork. If it's got all of those.
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Speaker 2: Technically, yeah, technically, I mean it's basically like just like
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Speaker 2: a really tang yoga Matt.
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Speaker 4: Now, I'm definitely not having it, and we invented yoga.
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Speaker 4: So but I'll give it a shot.
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Speaker 3: I can't.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you can file a lawsuit against anybody today
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Speaker 4: that's for anything, right, so they'll win, they'll settle out.
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Speaker 3: They're not going to take this to court.
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Speaker 4: It would take too much time, it would take too
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Speaker 4: much money out of McDonald's pockets for all of their
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Speaker 4: lawyers to you know, go to a courtroom and sit
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Speaker 4: there and deal with these people.
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Speaker 3: Then file the class action. Lots of that's amazing, you
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Speaker 3: know what.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, it's it's a great idea for a quick payday.
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Speaker 2: I say quick sure in terms of judicial process processes,
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Speaker 2: because your hope is not so much that you win,
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Speaker 2: it's that you get some sort of a settlement to
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Speaker 2: be told.
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Speaker 3: To go away.
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Speaker 2: I hope everybody gets. I hope as they can hope
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Speaker 2: for it.
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Speaker 4: I hope everybody gets seven dollars and eighty nine cents
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Speaker 4: and a McRib.
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Speaker 2: The ultimate settlement.
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Speaker 3: That's that's how they settle it.
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Speaker 2: You get the cost of the sandwich plus the sandwich.
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Speaker 2: Now go away, all right exactly?
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Speaker 3: That that sounds fair. If I was I was on
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Speaker 3: the McDonald's team, I was like, that sounds.
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Speaker 2: About right, Like if you were one of the plaintiffs,
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Speaker 2: or if you were one of the plaintiffs attorneys.
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Speaker 4: No, if I was, if I was on the if
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Speaker 4: I was one of the attorneys from McDonald's, I'd be like,
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Speaker 4: here's what we give them. Yeah, that's more of midfuck
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Speaker 2: news makers over the holidays was the finale of Stranger Things.
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Speaker 2: I watched it on New Year's Day. Watched it that,
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Speaker 2: you know, throughout the entirety of the holiday break, all
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Speaker 2: the volumes and again, and then that final episode on
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Speaker 2: New Year's Day. Raj, You've not seen a single episode.
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Speaker 2: All you know is that some kid talks through lights
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Speaker 2: and that's stupid. And then there's Trey Trey. Last time
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Speaker 2: you and I talked about it, you had not seen
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Speaker 2: the finale yet. You'd seen like the first half of
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Speaker 2: the final season, but not the finale. But then you
12:37
Speaker 2: said you have now seen all of Stranger Things.
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Speaker 3: I have.
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Speaker 2: My first question to you is this, Before you watched
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Speaker 2: the finale, did you read or look at any social
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Speaker 2: media stuff going into it. Did you read any news stories,
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Speaker 2: read any fan theories about what people thought might happen
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Speaker 2: or what should happen.
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Speaker 1: I try to avoid them at all costs, so I
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Speaker 1: can't say I didn't see some questions, but I did
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Speaker 1: not read like I think. Probably the thing I read
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Speaker 1: that stuck with me is about the Duffer brothers saying
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Speaker 1: that you know, it's up to the viewers to in
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Speaker 1: their imagination to what actually happened with eleven.
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Speaker 2: Gotcha, Raj, I'm gonna speak to you for a moment.
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Speaker 2: And obviously anyone that has not seen any of Stranger Things,
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Speaker 2: it's a throwback nostalgia thing from the eighties, kids on
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Speaker 2: bicycles going around doing things which we all can identify with,
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Speaker 2: and you know when we were growing up. The difference
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Speaker 2: is being we didn't have other worldly monsters chasing us
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Speaker 2: and trying to kidnap us for various reasons. But the
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Speaker 2: rest of it's still it feels pretty familiar. So that's
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Speaker 2: what you dealt with for five seasons. And I made
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Speaker 2: the mistake of reading a bunch of the fan theory
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Speaker 2: stuff before the final episode. And this is what's difficult
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Speaker 2: with a series. Whether it's Game of Thrones, whether it's
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Speaker 2: name any other successful television series, and people are always
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Speaker 2: having issues with how they ended The Sopranos. I mean
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Speaker 2: it's never ending. Really. The New Heart Show, I remember
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Speaker 2: like it was Bob Newhart waking up, or it was
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Speaker 2: New Heart where he at Their last episode was Bob
14:39
Speaker 2: Newhart waking up in bed next to his wife from
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Speaker 2: The Bob Newhart Show, which was a previous series he
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Speaker 2: worked on. Right, So, I mean there's all these different
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Speaker 2: ways to do a finale. I read so many fan
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Speaker 2: theories on what people thought was going to happen or
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Speaker 2: what they thought should happen that it left me kind
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Speaker 2: of feeling eh about the finale. Really yeah, and I
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Speaker 2: think I spoiled it. I think had they just released
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Speaker 2: that final episode as one big movie and not given
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Speaker 2: a week to breathe from the previous episode to the
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Speaker 2: actual finale episode, I think it would have served them better.
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Speaker 2: I think in that week there was such a vacuum
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Speaker 2: that people started filling the void with their own thoughts,
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Speaker 2: and I read some really good ones where I was like, Ooh,
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Speaker 2: that would be cool if that happened, and then those
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Speaker 2: things didn't happened. And they followed a more linear ending
15:35
Speaker 2: kind of a thing. And now it seems that from
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Speaker 2: what I have seen, people are divided on whether they
15:41
Speaker 2: loved it or they hated it. Me I was like,
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Speaker 2: it was okay, I liked it. I didn't hate it.
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Speaker 2: But that's kind of where I finished on it. What
15:49
Speaker 2: about you, tre I thought it was fantastic.
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Speaker 1: I thought overall, for a final season of a show
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Speaker 1: that's been that popular, I thought they did a fantastic job.
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Speaker 1: I would put it probably a top ten of all
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Speaker 1: time of you know, the way to finish a show.
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Speaker 1: And I thought the last episode lived up to it.
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Speaker 1: I was very pleased. You I thought they had done
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Speaker 1: enough foreshadowing to know, here's a spoiler alert, uh that
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Speaker 1: you know Eleven wasn't coming back. You knew something was
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Speaker 1: going to happen to her. But then the way they
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Speaker 1: go back and revisit that at the end, when you know,
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Speaker 1: with the D and D game and talking about it,
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Speaker 1: I thought it left it excellent way of going maybe yeah,
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Speaker 1: uh so, I I thought that my Oh, I probably
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Speaker 1: my only complaint about the the last episode especially was
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Speaker 1: fucking Winona Ryders, you know, hacking his head off. Uh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I've got let someone else do it.
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Speaker 2: Kind of felt like Will may have earned that. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I will say after like after they had just beaten
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Speaker 2: the mind Flair and I, and they showed Joyce standing
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Speaker 2: there because they're all taking on the mind flare, and
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Speaker 2: then Joyce is standing there and she's got that axe
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Speaker 2: strapped to her back. It's like, was she ever planning
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Speaker 2: on using that thing? And then she eventually does, but
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Speaker 2: she got to say the big line and it was
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Speaker 2: sort of and then she got to be don't mess
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Speaker 2: with mama type of situation. So before we jump into
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Speaker 2: Raj laughing at us wholeheartedly, which thank you for laughing
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Speaker 2: quietly in the corner, Rash, I want to say this, Trey,
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Speaker 2: I am envious. I wish that I had ignored as
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Speaker 2: much as possible, as far as any fan in theories,
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Speaker 2: any ideas, any anything, and just gone from the previous episode,
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Speaker 2: not see anything, go straight into the final And I
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Speaker 2: think I would have felt the same way you do
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Speaker 2: because I allowed myself to go down too many rabbit
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Speaker 2: holes on theories. It kind of spoiled it a little
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Speaker 2: bit for me from the enjoyment. So what I'm going
18:17
Speaker 2: to do is I'm going to rewatch it because there
18:20
Speaker 2: were moments of it I absolutely loved, and just try
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Speaker 2: to rewatch it knowing what happens, and then just try
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Speaker 2: to enjoy it in the moment.
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Speaker 1: I especially with stuff like that, I really try to avoid.
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Speaker 1: I forgot what show people hyped up. It's like, oh
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Speaker 1: my god, it was so fantastic, And then by the
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Speaker 1: time I watched it, I was like, nah, So I
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Speaker 1: really tried to avoid reading anything about it, and yeah,
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Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Speaker 2: All right, Raj, what has you giggling over there?
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Speaker 7: Like a judgmental demogratic no, no, no, So growing up,
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Speaker 7: I was always the nerd, and now I get to
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Speaker 7: watch two nerds talk to each other and this it
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Speaker 7: was so joyful.
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Speaker 2: Like and that's why, you, guys, it's just just watch
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Speaker 2: the joy out of you.
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Speaker 1: Guys. You would love the show because it's a show
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Speaker 1: about nerds, and I got out of that phase. But
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Speaker 1: it's nostalgia, that's the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: It's nostalgia. And it's also a little bit about role
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Speaker 2: reversal in a way, it's flipping the script from what
19:24
Speaker 2: you know you did as a kid versus what you
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Speaker 2: do as an adult, right, Trey, did you ever play
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Speaker 2: Dungeons and Dragons when you were a kid?
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Speaker 3: A little?
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Speaker 1: I did not have the patients for.
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Speaker 2: I didn't either. I didn't have any friends that had
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Speaker 2: it and played it. If they had, maybe I would
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Speaker 2: have betrayed you and I. We grew up playing lots
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Speaker 2: of sports, so that took up the bulk of our youths.
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Speaker 2: We were playing basketball and football and baseball and practicing
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Speaker 2: in games and tournaments instead of D and D tournaments. Then,
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Speaker 2: as adults, while we can still relate to a lot
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Speaker 2: of the activities as children of the eighties, we now
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Speaker 2: followed this what was, in essence a cinematic Dungeons and
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Speaker 2: Dragons quest from the eighties, and we loved it, even
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Speaker 2: though we really didn't play it as kids. So we
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Speaker 2: were Jocks's kids nerds as adults, Raj nerd kid. Keeping
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Speaker 2: in mind, Raj did play a little football, it's what
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Speaker 2: he's famous for, but mostly a nerd and now Raj
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Speaker 2: doesn't want to have anything to do with nerd stuff
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Speaker 2: as an adult.
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Speaker 4: Oh, I went to my I'm not going to say
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Speaker 4: his name, but I went to my buddy's house because
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Speaker 4: he invited me over and they were playing Dungeons Dragons
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Speaker 4: brand new. This is eighty seven eighty six and I
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Speaker 4: walked in and I was like, what is happening right now?
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Speaker 4: And they're like, oh, it's a role playing game. And
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Speaker 4: this is when I got out of my nerd phase.
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Speaker 4: I was like, I'm leaving because this is fucking stupid.
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Speaker 4: And that's when I was like, it's time to play
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Speaker 4: some football. It's time to get hit, and not for
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Speaker 4: being a nerd. It's just time to get hit. It's
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Speaker 4: just for being small and weak. Yeah, of course, good
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Speaker 4: old fashioned way.
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Speaker 3: Fuck.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I tried, but I saw it and I was like,
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Speaker 3: this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 3: And somebody was like, you know, I'm a level nine magi,
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, get the stop. But I don't. I
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Speaker 3: don't care anymore.
21:36
Speaker 4: I gotta leave your your Chris and you live with
21:40
Speaker 4: your dad, like you're not a level nine anything like stop.
21:45
Speaker 2: That's why he needs the game.
21:52
Speaker 3: Somehow.
21:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the only way he could be important and
21:55
Speaker 2: level up in life is to play the game.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was out immediately on that.
22:06
Speaker 1: I'll also say one of the other things I thought
22:10
Speaker 1: they did incredibly well, which was hard to do. Is
22:14
Speaker 1: because that series what lasted ten years? Yeah?
22:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, the span of ten years, Tony, Yeah, yeah, ten years.
22:22
Speaker 1: The fact that they really seamlessly aged them where it
22:31
Speaker 1: was still believable. They were still young enough you could
22:33
Speaker 1: pull off, you know, high school seniors whatever.
22:35
Speaker 3: Yeah.
22:36
Speaker 1: I thought all of it. I thought the really excellent job.
22:39
Speaker 2: And that's why I said I want to go back.
22:41
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Rush, Sorry, you said you would put it
22:43
Speaker 4: in your top ten of finales.
22:47
Speaker 3: M wow, that is bold.
22:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.
22:52
Speaker 2: So again I'm envious that that you didn't do the
22:54
Speaker 2: reading stuff in between, and that's why I want to
22:56
Speaker 2: go back and rewatch it sort of. I mean, it's
22:59
Speaker 2: not fresh eyes. I have already seen it, but just
23:02
Speaker 2: watch it just to try to enjoy it more and
23:04
Speaker 2: instead of thinking, oh, is this thing gonna happen that
23:06
Speaker 2: may or may not happen, you know, I.
23:10
Speaker 1: Want to go back and watch the entire I want
23:12
Speaker 1: to go I want to start with season one. And
23:15
Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious now if you pick up on it,
23:18
Speaker 1: because now that I have read about it, you know,
23:20
Speaker 1: people are saying, oh, they were Easter eggs left all
23:22
Speaker 1: over the place, and now I'm curious if those stand out.
23:26
Speaker 7: They will.
23:27
Speaker 2: They're going to stand out like sore thumbs. They're gonna
23:29
Speaker 2: stand out like Vechno's left thumb, because that's the that's
23:34
Speaker 2: the I saw the rabbit holes I went down, and
23:36
Speaker 2: I mean that literally figuratively, because season five was very
23:42
Speaker 2: much an Alison Wonderland, you know, inspired thing. So going
23:48
Speaker 2: down the rabbit hole is Alice in Wonderland. That's exactly
23:52
Speaker 2: what this final season followed. It was a little bit
23:56
Speaker 2: of a wrinkle in time, but a lot of Alice
23:58
Speaker 2: in Wonderland. And so when you read and you see
24:00
Speaker 2: certain things that happened in Alice in Wonderland, all those
24:03
Speaker 2: things happen in Stranger Things five when you go back
24:06
Speaker 2: and I also fell down the easter Egg rabbit hole,
24:11
Speaker 2: you know in before the you know, in Vecna's little
24:15
Speaker 2: layer in the other dimension with a little what looks
24:18
Speaker 2: like a tree. I knew that. I always knew that
24:21
Speaker 2: was the spider leg thing. But that was on a
24:24
Speaker 2: poster all the way back in like season one, in
24:27
Speaker 2: someone's bedroom, and you saw it over Mike and L's shoulder.
24:30
Speaker 2: It's right there, that same effing bush slash tree thing
24:34
Speaker 2: is right there. There's hints all over the damn place.
24:37
Speaker 2: So yeah, when you go back and watch from season one,
24:40
Speaker 2: there's at one point there's a freeze frame. I think
24:43
Speaker 2: it's around when Will gets abducted or when they're in
24:46
Speaker 2: the middle of like a dark street. Right you see Vecna's.
24:49
Speaker 3: Big left hand.
24:53
Speaker 2: So unless they went back and put that stuff in
24:55
Speaker 2: there digitally after the fact, that stuff was in there
24:58
Speaker 2: from day one.
24:59
Speaker 1: See, that's a I've seen some of that stuff and
25:01
Speaker 1: I always I wonder if that's just clickbait and they've
25:05
Speaker 1: gone back and added that into an image.
25:07
Speaker 2: That's what I would do, because that's also the reason
25:10
Speaker 2: I'm going to double down on the nerd dimrage. That's
25:12
Speaker 2: also what I think George Lucas did. Because George Lucas
25:14
Speaker 2: says to this day that he had the entire whole
25:18
Speaker 2: trilogy thing, the whole Vader Star Wars thing, mapped out
25:23
Speaker 2: from what we know to be episode one through like
25:27
Speaker 2: episode six, but he decided to do only episode four
25:31
Speaker 2: because he thought that would be the standalone thing. I
25:33
Speaker 2: think he's full of shit. I think what he did
25:36
Speaker 2: was he wrote that movie and then he was like,
25:38
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is bigger than I ever expected.
25:40
Speaker 2: I'm kind of had a couple of ideas of where
25:41
Speaker 2: this could go, and then he eventually said I had
25:43
Speaker 2: this thing planned all alone. I just don't believe.
25:46
Speaker 1: H Yeah, because they were books.
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Speaker 2: slash tree House on Air, Trey, when you said Star
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Speaker 2: Wars books, she meant that George Lucas did the movies
27:16
Speaker 2: because someone had written books already. Okay, that's the thing
27:21
Speaker 2: I always forget about that. I always remember like George
27:23
Speaker 2: Lucas like, oh no, I had this idea and this
27:25
Speaker 2: is what happened. And then I always felt like it
27:27
Speaker 2: was just him being full of it, saying like, oh
27:29
Speaker 2: I had this whole thing played, I just did this
27:30
Speaker 2: one first. And that's when I wondered, if stranger Things
27:33
Speaker 2: guys are doing the same thing. Oh, Vecna's been in
27:35
Speaker 2: here all along, Hey, Tim, go put that hand back
27:37
Speaker 2: in season one so they'll see it. Same thing with
27:39
Speaker 2: like the little thing on the poster on the wall.
27:42
Speaker 3: I don't know.
27:44
Speaker 1: Well, and that's why, Yeah, Star Wars there were always
27:48
Speaker 1: nine books, like, and my understanding was Lucas picked the
27:52
Speaker 1: fourth one because he thought it was the most adaptable
27:55
Speaker 1: to film, and he's.
27:57
Speaker 3: Right, it was.
27:57
Speaker 2: I just thought that that was more like revisionist history,
28:01
Speaker 2: where it was like he did the movie and then
28:03
Speaker 2: there were some books and things, and he's like, ah see,
28:04
Speaker 2: I told.
28:05
Speaker 1: You now, they were always They're always there. That was
28:10
Speaker 1: just one of those, you know, in on the.
28:16
Speaker 7: No.
28:16
Speaker 1: I guess that was the first one. I mean, I
28:18
Speaker 1: guess he took a flyer on it, because then I
28:19
Speaker 1: was to say, then Star Trek, you know, rebooted there,
28:22
Speaker 1: you know, based on the success of uh Star Wars.
28:25
Speaker 1: But uh No, what I was talking about is with
28:28
Speaker 1: internet in today's a like, I see those things now
28:32
Speaker 1: about oh hey, look, you know because I've seen now
28:34
Speaker 1: that I've allowed myself, I've seen the finale and I've
28:37
Speaker 1: now looked at the post are the are there is
28:41
Speaker 1: that stuff actually in season one? Or have they gone
28:43
Speaker 1: back and and edit it and added something in that
28:48
Speaker 1: that makes it look that way?
28:50
Speaker 3: Yeah?
28:50
Speaker 2: See, And this is why I think my ultimate, my
28:53
Speaker 2: only criticism is it can't okay, let me start over.
28:58
Speaker 2: It's unfair to criticize creators filmmakers to this degree. When you,
29:08
Speaker 2: as a viewer or a watch or whatever, didn't like
29:11
Speaker 2: the way something happened, that's just too effing bad. That's
29:16
Speaker 2: not your decision to make, you know why, It's actually
29:20
Speaker 2: not your story. It's those guys' story. They're the ones
29:24
Speaker 2: that wrote it. They're the ones that came up with
29:26
Speaker 2: the idea. They're the ones that put in the work,
29:28
Speaker 2: the effort to design it, the concept, the story, all
29:31
Speaker 2: the character arcs, all of it. You cannot like how
29:35
Speaker 2: they finished it all day long. It's not going to
29:39
Speaker 2: change the outcome. And where I the only critique that
29:44
Speaker 2: I would offer, not that they would ever come to
29:46
Speaker 2: me and ask, is not to have that week off
29:50
Speaker 2: in that final episode for people to then, you know,
29:54
Speaker 2: set certain expectations, drum up certain theories or whatever, just
30:00
Speaker 2: the thing out and let people just consume it like
30:03
Speaker 2: a movie does. And then that way they don't have
30:05
Speaker 2: time to think about what could have been or what
30:09
Speaker 2: might be. Instead they just take it for what is.
30:12
Speaker 2: I think if they had done that, I think they
30:16
Speaker 2: wouldn't have near the issues with anyone nay saying the finale.
30:21
Speaker 2: I think they go like, here's the movie boom, here's
30:23
Speaker 2: the show boom, and you don't have time to think
30:26
Speaker 2: about those other things. And I think they would have
30:27
Speaker 2: been better off as far as public opinion goes or not.
30:31
Speaker 1: I don't know.
30:33
Speaker 4: Well, I mean the way you guys are talking about this.
30:35
Speaker 4: I'm gonna start watching today. I'm gonna start watching the show.
30:41
Speaker 2: You might love it. I mean, look, I've lost to
30:44
Speaker 2: you completely.
30:45
Speaker 3: I'm lying to you completely. I'm not going to for
30:47
Speaker 3: this show at all.
30:50
Speaker 2: What else are you gonna do on your next emergency
30:52
Speaker 2: room visit?
30:55
Speaker 3: They had NCIS on. It was great.
30:57
Speaker 2: Roger. Here's the thing. There are lots of those bleeds
31:00
Speaker 2: in stranger things. It's immediately relatable to you in your
31:03
Speaker 2: current medical plight.
31:08
Speaker 3: I'd rather watch Mark Harmon.
31:16
Speaker 1: I think I disagree with you, Dan. I think that
31:21
Speaker 1: you're always going to have the people in this day
31:24
Speaker 1: and age, everyone's going to pick it apart no matter
31:26
Speaker 1: what you do. And I actually I thought it was
31:30
Speaker 1: It was brilliant the way they released it, because, especially
31:36
Speaker 1: between the Christmas Day drop and then the New Year's
31:40
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve drop Year's it gave you just enough
31:44
Speaker 1: time to watch. And for some reason, the Internet does
31:49
Speaker 1: seem to be good about at least giving things about
31:53
Speaker 1: forty eight seventy two hours before they just literate with spoilers.
31:57
Speaker 2: That is one of the few things that people on
31:59
Speaker 2: the inner that have kind of come together on is
32:03
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be the dick that spoils this
32:05
Speaker 2: thing for everybody because if I do, I get docked,
32:08
Speaker 2: I get death threats, I can't go outside anymore kind
32:11
Speaker 2: of thing. So in that way, the Internet also remains undefeated.
32:17
Speaker 2: But you are right. What happens when you delay that
32:21
Speaker 2: final release for that week is you do create that
32:25
Speaker 2: vacuum and there's no conclusion to the stories, so people
32:28
Speaker 2: start coming up with their own stuff and sharing it.
32:31
Speaker 2: So the amount of buzz and everything going into that
32:35
Speaker 2: final episode is then amplified. So if you want to
32:40
Speaker 2: deal with backlash, then have the gap. If you want
32:47
Speaker 2: to capitalize on virality of it being talked about being
32:53
Speaker 2: in the public consciousness for an entire week, then have
32:58
Speaker 2: the gap. So it's like a it's an interesting case
33:01
Speaker 2: study to see how you would want to do, you know,
33:04
Speaker 2: a finale type of thing like this.
33:07
Speaker 4: But it also speaks volumes about how how the fans
33:11
Speaker 4: feel about that show that they're doing that.
33:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell you, man, there were some really good ideas,
33:19
Speaker 2: and that's going to be the worst thing as a creator.
33:21
Speaker 2: Like if I'm one of the Duffer brothers and I
33:22
Speaker 2: read one of these ideas and like, fuck, that's better
33:25
Speaker 2: than what we did. I wish we had Tim from
33:29
Speaker 2: Indiana in the writer's.
33:31
Speaker 4: Room, yeah, which I love, like the sopranos and friends
33:37
Speaker 4: and all that stuff. Like, everybody had their own ideas.
33:40
Speaker 4: Friends luckily was at the beginning of the Internet age
33:44
Speaker 4: when that started. But everybody had their own ideas of
33:47
Speaker 4: what was going to happen because there were such huge
33:49
Speaker 4: fans of the show. So that's always nice. So you
33:53
Speaker 4: know how important your show is to some people.
33:59
Speaker 2: You're really not going to watch shuck non.
34:09
Speaker 1: I would be more surprised by Raj voting for Trump
34:14
Speaker 1: that I would be by him watching Stranger Things. I'm sorry,
34:21
Speaker 1: I would be more surprised than voting for Trump.
34:26
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start watching Stranger Things now because.
34:35
Speaker 2: It's funny you mentioned that, because I think the US
34:37
Speaker 2: military has a great sense of humor. Because is it
34:40
Speaker 2: just me? Or that photo they released of Nicholas Maduro,
34:43
Speaker 2: was he ready to go in into a tank just
34:45
Speaker 2: like eleven from Stranger Things with the goggles in the
34:47
Speaker 2: ear mubs he had beats by drey d That was dope.
34:56
Speaker 2: I think those are bombs. It's the new it's the
34:58
Speaker 2: new model.
35:02
Speaker 1: I like to think they were looping that his speech
35:04
Speaker 1: where he said come and get him.
35:05
Speaker 2: You know it, you know cause is good. Yeah, you
35:12
Speaker 2: still got to listen to the lyrics, bro.
35:16
Speaker 1: They might even drop bombs and sequence just to give
35:18
Speaker 1: it a good baseline.
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