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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, January 2 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguar's football bottle. But every day.
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Speaker 1: This is very low rent for a town that prides
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Speaker 1: itself and having such an NFL tradition. It is Thursday,
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Speaker 1: January second. This is Jaguars Happy Hour. And now a
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Speaker 1: guy who's Jay stands for Judy j P. Shadrick. I
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Speaker 1: don't even know what that is in reference to you.
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Speaker 1: You're JA stands for Judy. Your first name is Judy.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I didn't either, not actor. What
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Speaker 1: is your first one? What do you Jerry Alabama guy? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's not accurate either, but yeah, welcome in Jack. What
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Speaker 1: is what is Jame? P? Stand for? James Patrick? Do
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Speaker 1: we have to one of those? Is right? We're not
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Speaker 1: going anywhere until you well? Alright, so we've got plenty
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Speaker 1: of James ball Jared Patrick. Jared Patrick? Like, so you
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Speaker 1: and the guy from Subway shared the com no no
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Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no no no.
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Speaker 1: You might want to back that train on up, buddy.
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Speaker 1: This is Jaguars j Tony Boselli, Jerry Judy. Here's what's
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Speaker 1: coming up on the program called Well and Maron Quick Talking,
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Speaker 1: called Well Marone return. Communication will be improved, they say,
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Speaker 1: we'll hear from those guys coming up the off season schedule.
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Speaker 1: We're there now, So what's coming up in the next
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Speaker 1: month or two, including the NFL Draft. The build up
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Speaker 1: begins that Jack's have two first round picks here in nineteen.
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Speaker 1: Let's start off with the press conference from earlier this
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Speaker 1: week on Tuesday, Dave called well general manager, trying to
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Speaker 1: get those players to help out the coaching staff. We
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Speaker 1: could help the coaching staff by making better decisions and
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Speaker 1: the guys we bring in for them, and and also
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Speaker 1: really supporting our players that we have here, and I
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Speaker 1: think we'll help the coaching staff. Head coach Doug Moron
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Speaker 1: trying to get everybody collaborative effort, coming into one decision.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to create this this environment. What what you're
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Speaker 1: looking at is is you're focused on myself, Dave and
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Speaker 1: Shot because we report the book. What what we've talked
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Speaker 1: about of doing is, you know, making sure that it's
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Speaker 1: not just the individuals that are able to communicate directly
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Speaker 1: with each other. We're talking about taking you know, our
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Speaker 1: coaching staff, with our scouting staff, you know, with with
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Speaker 1: and really putting it in a in a true, true
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Speaker 1: partnership where we're meeting and talking and doing that and
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Speaker 1: coming to decisions. I think that Dave would agree, and
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Speaker 1: and I've been a part of it before, is that
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Speaker 1: when we when we do that, you know, things become
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Speaker 1: clear on exactly what the vision is that we want.
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Speaker 1: So my responsibility as a head coach is to be Okay,
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Speaker 1: this is is what our philosophy is, this is what
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Speaker 1: we want to do, This is what we want to
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Speaker 1: be as a football team. This is how we want
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Speaker 1: to play offensively, defensively as special teams. Outline that give
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Speaker 1: a clear picture of exactly what we believe we need. Okay,
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Speaker 1: in communication with Dave and his department and really coming
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Speaker 1: fold as one. So the press conference was fairly lengthy
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, after announcement from Jaguar's owners dot Com about
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Speaker 1: ten o'clock. The announcement came down the press conference at
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Speaker 1: three o'clock. And we'll hear a little later today from
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Speaker 1: some other thoughts from that press conference. Yes, Tony, so
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Speaker 1: I was in El Paso for the press conference. I
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Speaker 1: didn't see it, and I've seen clips of it now
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Speaker 1: and everything else. It's shocking to me, like shocking that
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Speaker 1: they weren't already doing that. I mean, isn't that what
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Speaker 1: you're supposed to do and how you build a team
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Speaker 1: that as when you're picking players, you're picking players based
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Speaker 1: on what the coaching staff has lined out, the type
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Speaker 1: of players they want, they need, is the system we're
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Speaker 1: going to run. This is what we want and everyone
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Speaker 1: is working together towards the goal of winning a championship. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think I think when you listen to that and
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Speaker 1: then you you read the reports that was I think
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Speaker 1: not long after the Tom call from press conference where
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Speaker 1: the reports between scouting and coaching was toxic I think
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Speaker 1: was the word that was used. I think just listening
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Speaker 1: to the press conference, I think it was very apparent
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Speaker 1: that that wasn't going on before. But didn't that shock you? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: very much? So, I mean I would like assume that's
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Speaker 1: how like, that's how it happened. I cover a bunch
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Speaker 1: of games throughout the year outside the Jaguars and talked
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Speaker 1: to a lot of people and coaches and every everyone
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Speaker 1: else from front office people, and that's just like, how
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Speaker 1: how done it's done. Give you an example, because arguably
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Speaker 1: one of the most respected personnel guys in the National
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Speaker 1: Football League is Ozzy Newsome right, Hall of Fame executive
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Speaker 1: sat down with him three weeks ago for twenty five
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Speaker 1: minutes talking to him. Uh and I and one thing
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Speaker 1: he said, and he said it before in the past,
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Speaker 1: and it has always stuck with me, is that you
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Speaker 1: all you never draft somebody that the coach doesn't want
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Speaker 1: to coach, he said, because it it's it's a it's
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Speaker 1: as for failure immediately, because if the coach doesn't want
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Speaker 1: the player to begin with, where is it going to go.
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Speaker 1: So you want you want a player that the coach
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Speaker 1: wants to coach, which means that you have to get
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Speaker 1: some of his input on that player and also what
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Speaker 1: type of player that guy needs to be. And uh so, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean I was with you, Tony and that I
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Speaker 1: was very surprised that that that was I mean, they
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Speaker 1: didn't say it didn't happen before, but I think by
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Speaker 1: them talking about it now, it's very apparent that that
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Speaker 1: wasn't going on another they did say it wasn't happening.
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Speaker 1: Dougron said, this is what I want you. I'm shocked.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's surprising that that wasn't happening before. I mean,
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Speaker 1: most scouting staffs and coaches become essentially scouts with most
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Speaker 1: teams in the off season for a period of time
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Speaker 1: to where they have to write reports that they sit
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Speaker 1: in on the meetings where where you're kind of stacking
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Speaker 1: players positionally correct, I mean, and and that's how most
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Speaker 1: organizations that we absolutely and at at the bare minimum,
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Speaker 1: the coaching staff meets with the personnel people, going over
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Speaker 1: every position and saying here in the metrics, here the
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Speaker 1: what we want. This is what we're looking for. A
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Speaker 1: corner that's about six foot, he's got this kind of length,
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Speaker 1: he's got this kind of speed, you know, etcetera, etcetera.
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Speaker 1: Same thing with offensive line. Hey, we want a right
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Speaker 1: guard that is a bulldoze or he doesn't need to
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Speaker 1: pull much because our left guard is gonna pull more
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Speaker 1: our right tackle. Here's what we need. I mean. So
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Speaker 1: you're you're given kind of physical and athletic requirements to
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Speaker 1: the scouting staff so that you can run your systems.
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Speaker 1: How do you jump start that though it hasn't been happening.
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Speaker 1: That's gonna be interesting because if it hasn't happened before,
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Speaker 1: then you're you're essentially you're essentially breaking new ground going forward. Um,
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Speaker 1: So it's gonna take a collaborative effort. It's gonna take
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Speaker 1: a lot of effort on both sides. It's gonna take
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Speaker 1: a lot of time because I mean, that's a relationship
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Speaker 1: from all appearances, that wasn't there before. So now you
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Speaker 1: have to build that because relationships just don't. They don't
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Speaker 1: happen overnight and then don't you don't say all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, Okay, now that we both report to the
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Speaker 1: owner and we have to work together, now we're just
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Speaker 1: gonna do it. I mean, there's got to be a trust,
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Speaker 1: there's gotta be a system in place to where to
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Speaker 1: where that that can be positive and thrive. And so
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Speaker 1: that's a big challenge for this organization going forward, certainly
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Speaker 1: is and it'll be interesting, interesting next few months for
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Speaker 1: this Jaguars organization. Doug Maron said that the coaches are
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Speaker 1: off until the thirteenth of January, a little time away.
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Speaker 1: The evaluation of that, he said, it's not done either.
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Speaker 1: When the coaches get back, will be a little more
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Speaker 1: evaluation of his staff. Well, I think most teams, I
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Speaker 1: think the smart coaches or head coaches or organizations I
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Speaker 1: think are smart and that you let your coaching staff
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Speaker 1: kind of step away to detach a little bit of
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Speaker 1: emotion from the season, away from it, and then and
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Speaker 1: then come back and then apply yourself again and and
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Speaker 1: give yourself maybe a I don't want to say an
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Speaker 1: unemotional approach to the evaluation, but a little less emotion
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Speaker 1: certainly can be good sometimes when you're value about trying
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Speaker 1: to be trying to give an honest assessment of your players.
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Speaker 1: And look, if something is fresh on your mind about
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Speaker 1: j P. If you're my mic linebacker and the last
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Speaker 1: game you screwed up something and I told you three
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Speaker 1: times about during the course of the week of practice,
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Speaker 1: I might give you a bad grade for the season
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Speaker 1: just because I told you three times. I'm still mad,
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Speaker 1: you know. So allowing the coaches to detach a little
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Speaker 1: bit this case can be good. Well, no, it can
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Speaker 1: go the other way too, just because like I always think,
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Speaker 1: the danger of Week seventeen is is putting too much
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Speaker 1: into it one way or another. Because when two teams
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Speaker 1: are out of it, that's what the game on Sunday was,
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Speaker 1: and you saw throughout the league, crazy things happen. I
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Speaker 1: always say week one, Week seventeen, or the two weeks
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Speaker 1: that don't put too much stock into anything. Week one,
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Speaker 1: you get crazy games. It's the first time, first time
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Speaker 1: you're game planning everything else. In the week seventeen, you
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Speaker 1: have guys with different motivations out on the field because
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Speaker 1: you know guys that you know, we're just out there
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Speaker 1: just trying to protect themselves, not to get hurt. Guys
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Speaker 1: who are you know, want to make a great last impression,
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Speaker 1: and everything in between. And so if you put too
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Speaker 1: much into that one game, the same thing as Jeff said,
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Speaker 1: is on the negative side or the positive side, you
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Speaker 1: can either undervalue or overvalue a where you are as
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Speaker 1: an organization, but also individual players. And I think so
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Speaker 1: it's critical you gotta step back and you have to
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Speaker 1: be able to take an honest I think the honest
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Speaker 1: reflection and honest assessment of where you are as an organization,
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Speaker 1: where you are at certain positions on the roster and
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Speaker 1: everything else. And I think the really good and the
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Speaker 1: great organizations are masters at that that they are able
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Speaker 1: to sit back and to make an unemotional evaluation of
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Speaker 1: where they are from a from the top all the
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Speaker 1: way to the bottom, every part of the roster, and
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Speaker 1: make decisions based on what it's going to take to
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Speaker 1: become a great organization to win a championship, because that's
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Speaker 1: all that matters at the end of the day. The
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Speaker 1: only thing you should be striving for is to be
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Speaker 1: on the stage at the beginning of first week of February,
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Speaker 1: hold hold on the Lobarty Trophy. I mean, that's all
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Speaker 1: that matters at the end of the day. And so
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Speaker 1: the danger is a lot of times and I think
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Speaker 1: it's happened here. I mean, is you overvalue you you
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Speaker 1: You're you you you, And I think it happens all
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Speaker 1: the time throughout the NFL that you're not honest with
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Speaker 1: yourself of where you sit and what you need to
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Speaker 1: do to take the next step towards a championship. You
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Speaker 1: make a decision, you believe in that decision so much,
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Speaker 1: and then it may not work like you had thought it,
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Speaker 1: but you believe it too. Could it could be It
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Speaker 1: could be a lot of different things that you believe
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Speaker 1: in or overbelieve in. UH. It could be UH an
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Speaker 1: overvalued assessment of of coaches. It could be undervalued assessment
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Speaker 1: of coaches. It could be an overvalued assessment of players,
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Speaker 1: or an under the value undervalued assessment of players, it
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Speaker 1: can it can mean a lot of different things. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think a great analogy in the business world all
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Speaker 1: the time, I've heard this multiple times and been around
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Speaker 1: it is never fall in love with the deal, because
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Speaker 1: as soon as you fall in love with the deal,
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Speaker 1: you stop looking at all the wards and all the
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Speaker 1: problems and everything else, and you've conveyed the alternatives or
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Speaker 1: the alternatives, and you convince yourself that you're so in
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Speaker 1: love with this deal or this transaction or this product
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Speaker 1: or anything else, that you are blinded to all the
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Speaker 1: things that are you know, good, bad, ugly alternatives other ways,
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Speaker 1: and you'll end up doing it or making a decision
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Speaker 1: just because you've you've committed that this is what you're
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Speaker 1: gonna do, and you fall in love with it. And
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Speaker 1: that's the danger, I mean. And it's a real talent
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Speaker 1: to be able to step back, be unemotional about it
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Speaker 1: and look at the situation and say I'm gonna I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna evaluate this every day until the end. And it's hard.
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Speaker 1: It's hard because I mean, you're you're invested human nature,
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's it is, it's human nature.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's uh, it's it's no different than like
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Speaker 1: an official that you're hoping that is impartial. But human
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Speaker 1: nature is human nature. You know, things influence you and
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Speaker 1: and certainly I don't think anything influences you more when
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Speaker 1: it when it affects you directly, or that you're trying
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Speaker 1: to evaluate a decision that you made in the past,
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Speaker 1: you know, will that be a as a coach or
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Speaker 1: as as a player or as a personnel guy. I mean,
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Speaker 1: sometimes you look, you've got skin in the game, and
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Speaker 1: when you've got skin in the game, sometimes it's it
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Speaker 1: is hard. It's hard to be honest, and it's hard
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Speaker 1: to be subjective and impartial. We're back in a moment
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Speaker 1: and we'll delve into some of the personnel, including Unique
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Speaker 1: and and what his future could hold with the Jack.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's the perfect thing to start off
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Speaker 1: with when we come back, because much like we're talking
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Speaker 1: I think you guys all known in this room how
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Speaker 1: conversations over the years, and uh, he's a tremendous player.
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Speaker 1: He's even a better person. How he handle his business
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Speaker 1: this year was tremendous. But that I would say, that's
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Speaker 1: priority number one to make sure that he comes back
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Speaker 1: we can get that done. Um, you know where he's
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Speaker 1: here for a long period of time. Dave Coldwell, Jaguarro
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Speaker 1: Jaguars general manager, in a Tuesday press conference in Jaguars
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Speaker 1: Happy Hour rolls along J. P. Shadrick with Jeff Lagavan
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Speaker 1: and Tony Boselli. Priority number one in this offseason, yannike
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Speaker 1: and gotkwa. You heard it from the general manager. That's um,
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Speaker 1: that's the top of the list. That's the first thing
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Speaker 1: that he said they want to get done somehow. How
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Speaker 1: do they get it done? I don't I think I
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Speaker 1: would probably debate whether that would be number one. UM,
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Speaker 1: for me, the the continuation or the search for a
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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback should always be priority number one. And I
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Speaker 1: said just before that until you know you have one,
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Speaker 1: you cannot rest, and that you need to continue to
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Speaker 1: search and to try to find that guy, however that
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Speaker 1: may be. And I think right now that you feel
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Speaker 1: good about your quarterbacks, as Doug said in the press conference,
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Speaker 1: and that you've got two guys. Were in the past
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Speaker 1: you maybe felt like you didn't even have one. But
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Speaker 1: I don't think you've sit there and are going, oh,
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Speaker 1: we've got two franchise guys, you know, So for me,
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Speaker 1: the search for for a franchise quarterback should be priority
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Speaker 1: number one. So that said, how do you and what
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Speaker 1: do you get done with unique? And got wait, if
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Speaker 1: you can get something done, he turned down nineteen million
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Speaker 1: last year, uh, which I think was about fifty million
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Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed forty eight million dollars guaranteed something like that.
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Speaker 1: I can't remember. I can't remember exactly. I don't I
18:45
Speaker 1: don't know what the guarantee was. But Tony looking at
18:48
Speaker 1: Lawrence's contract with the Dallas Cowboys, he was like a
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Speaker 1: five year, hundred five million, and I want to say
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Speaker 1: the guarantee was in a fifty million range. So I mean,
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Speaker 1: so tell me and for Godway, you're looking at in
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Speaker 1: the future going forward. I mean turned down what nineteen
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Speaker 1: a year, whatever the reporter guarantee was. But I mean,
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Speaker 1: I would think that the deal is not going to
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Speaker 1: be less than what de Marcus Lawrence or what Frank
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Speaker 1: Clark got. I mean that I think that's your starting point.
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Speaker 1: And for for an organization that doesn't want to have
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Speaker 1: anything reflect negative negatively upon them and want to give
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Speaker 1: the impression, hey, look, we're trying to do everything we
19:27
Speaker 1: can to win and to get out of the seller
19:30
Speaker 1: of the NFC South, I think that creates a little
19:33
Speaker 1: bit of pressure to sign a guy like yon Nike
19:36
Speaker 1: and Gockway. Uh And is that is that right or
19:39
Speaker 1: or wrong? I'm not It's not the position you want
19:42
Speaker 1: to be. First of all, you never should sign a
19:44
Speaker 1: guy for PR six or because you're afraid of looking
19:46
Speaker 1: bad or anything. And I'm not saying that they're going
19:49
Speaker 1: but I mean, well, I'm just I mean what you
19:52
Speaker 1: just said, if that's true, and we're speculating because neither
19:55
Speaker 1: of us know, but I don't think you ever make
19:57
Speaker 1: a decision on any player because of what the fans
20:01
Speaker 1: want or what the perception is or anything. Else, you
20:05
Speaker 1: only sign you Like for me, you signed you Uniken
20:09
Speaker 1: Gockway for whatever the number is gonna be, if it's
20:12
Speaker 1: twenty one million dollars, million dollars, only if you feel
20:15
Speaker 1: like he is a dominant player at his position that
20:19
Speaker 1: will help you win a championship. That's the only reason
20:21
Speaker 1: you sign him, no other reason. There's not another reason
20:25
Speaker 1: in the world you sign Uncan Gockway. Now if you
20:27
Speaker 1: believe that, and that's what this organization if Doug, because
20:32
Speaker 1: according to the what we've heard now is he disn'na
20:34
Speaker 1: have a much higher say and and uh personnel moving forward.
20:37
Speaker 1: So if Doug and Dave and then ultimately shot, if
20:40
Speaker 1: they determine that Uniken Gockway is a guy that's gonna
20:43
Speaker 1: help them win a championship and he's a dominant player
20:46
Speaker 1: at the defense end of position, then you will pay
20:48
Speaker 1: him the number that it takes to give him signed.
20:52
Speaker 1: And if you don't, then you don't sign him. I
20:54
Speaker 1: don't care what anyone thinks. I don't care what we think.
20:56
Speaker 1: I don't care what the national media thinks. I don't
20:58
Speaker 1: care what the fans think. I don't care what any
21:00
Speaker 1: of those people think. If you're sitting in Dug and Dave's.
21:03
Speaker 1: You don't make the decision based on what we talk about.
21:06
Speaker 1: You can make a decision if we think it's the
21:08
Speaker 1: dumbest thing ever. Who cares. You have a conviction that
21:11
Speaker 1: this is the guy that helps us become better, it
21:13
Speaker 1: don't sign him. Otherwise, if you if you completely ignored money,
21:17
Speaker 1: you want you want him back, period. You take a
21:21
Speaker 1: leven of those guys. I mean, oh my god, he
21:23
Speaker 1: does everything to right. And let let me say this.
21:26
Speaker 1: If there was any player on this Jaguar's roster that
21:31
Speaker 1: that if they shut it down somewhat in that last
21:34
Speaker 1: game against the Cults, that I might understand it a
21:36
Speaker 1: little bit. It would have been in gock Way and
21:39
Speaker 1: he did. I mean, we're talking about a guy who,
21:42
Speaker 1: if he has a significant injury of some kind in
21:46
Speaker 1: this last game, could cost himself literally sixty million guaranteed dollars.
21:54
Speaker 1: Let me repeat that, if he had to sustain a
21:56
Speaker 1: significant injury, he could have cost himself a guarant teed
22:00
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars from one injury, because some teams would
22:05
Speaker 1: have wanted to have him come back on a one
22:07
Speaker 1: year proven deal if he blew an a c l
22:09
Speaker 1: or whatever. So you would think the guy might be
22:12
Speaker 1: a little cautious. Well, I mean a perfect example is
22:14
Speaker 1: on the fall on the Calls fumble that he chased
22:16
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissette down, which we're gonna show on Jaguars all
22:19
Speaker 1: excess tonight. He's on the ground, he jumps up, he
22:22
Speaker 1: throws his body around to make the Calls fumble and
22:25
Speaker 1: tackle on Jacoby Brissette and then ends up hitting another guy.
22:29
Speaker 1: But he's s thown himself around to make a big play.
22:32
Speaker 1: This is a guy that could lose sixty million dollars
22:36
Speaker 1: and he's stolen himself around. Give me that guy ten
22:39
Speaker 1: times over every time, you know. So, I mean I
22:43
Speaker 1: understand why he's a party because that's the type of
22:46
Speaker 1: player that you want to have. He's a he's a
22:49
Speaker 1: uh edgy type of guy. The coaches love how he
22:52
Speaker 1: prepares um. He's different and he makes big plays, and man,
22:58
Speaker 1: you want to find a way to keep him. But
23:01
Speaker 1: everything has got to be within reason and what's best
23:04
Speaker 1: for the organization. You don't just go here's the checkbook
23:09
Speaker 1: and you write what it's gonna take. Yeah, I mean,
23:12
Speaker 1: you just can't do that. The first day to designate
23:16
Speaker 1: franchise players is February. The deadline to designate those players
23:21
Speaker 1: is March ten. The new league year begins March. That's
23:25
Speaker 1: so that's something they have in the back pockets him.
23:28
Speaker 1: On the first day. You can first day you got,
23:30
Speaker 1: I mean, and he'll be upset and I get why. Um,
23:33
Speaker 1: but you have to use it for a levite standpoint
23:35
Speaker 1: and the organization, because one you want to have more
23:37
Speaker 1: time to negotiate a long term deal. Business is business,
23:40
Speaker 1: and it's business just like it's for Yon business. Business.
23:42
Speaker 1: He has to make a business decisions that is best
23:45
Speaker 1: for him and he's earned that right. He's played great
23:48
Speaker 1: football for four years. He took a gamble. He came
23:50
Speaker 1: back this year. He played. His tail off was hurt
23:53
Speaker 1: earlier the year. I think it affected some of his
23:54
Speaker 1: numbers from a stack production with that hamstring the first
23:57
Speaker 1: few weeks, and he played through it. He played through it.
23:59
Speaker 1: He did complaint. He never made the contract an issue.
24:02
Speaker 1: He was not a locker room issue. He was, like
24:05
Speaker 1: Jeff said, he played his tail off at the end. Um,
24:08
Speaker 1: he's the type of guy wanted my football team if
24:10
Speaker 1: I was the coach or in charge of building this team. Um.
24:14
Speaker 1: And so you have to use the tag if you
24:16
Speaker 1: can't come to a deal before then. And once you
24:18
Speaker 1: use the tag, now you have some leverage because you
24:19
Speaker 1: can either sign him to a long term deal you
24:22
Speaker 1: can force him to play for that number. It's the
24:24
Speaker 1: tag is probably gonna be seventeen eighteen million dollars over
24:27
Speaker 1: the cap. Dot com hasn't projected this nineteen nineteen point three,
24:31
Speaker 1: So that's your baseline starting negotiations for paying He's gonna
24:35
Speaker 1: at least nineteen point three million a year. That's the minimum.
24:38
Speaker 1: That's and uh, and they really take the second year
24:41
Speaker 1: into account. That's your guaranteed money minimum. Ye in the
24:43
Speaker 1: second year, if they franchised him again, it would be
24:46
Speaker 1: another twenty percent above that, I believe, So there'll still
24:49
Speaker 1: be your twenty three So your minimum guaranteed you're gonna
24:54
Speaker 1: have to pay unique is fifty million, basically ballpark million starting.
25:02
Speaker 1: That's just that's like like like your first offer can't
25:06
Speaker 1: be below that has probably about ten to fifteen percent
25:08
Speaker 1: higher than that because if you're on um, but you
25:13
Speaker 1: have to tag him because you have leverage to force
25:16
Speaker 1: him to play that number, you have leverage to give
25:18
Speaker 1: you more time to work out a long term deal.
25:20
Speaker 1: And finally, if you can't, you have the leverage to
25:22
Speaker 1: trade them and get a first round traft which he
25:24
Speaker 1: would have to sign, right, he would have to sign
25:27
Speaker 1: the franchise tag to be traded. Yes, I believe so,
25:30
Speaker 1: but that would be worked out, So you have to
25:34
Speaker 1: use it. Um Again, I'm with Jeff. Do I want
25:37
Speaker 1: him on the team? Yes? But you you have to.
25:40
Speaker 1: I mean, this team has salary camp issues right now.
25:43
Speaker 1: It is over the cap going into next year, meaning
25:45
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to cut, which I'm sure we'll talk
25:46
Speaker 1: about here in a little bit. Some starters guys. Who
25:50
Speaker 1: are starters that you counted on this year? Is your
25:52
Speaker 1: front line guys, You're going to have to cut or
25:54
Speaker 1: get them to restructure in a major way. And so
25:57
Speaker 1: you just can't just start going to write a check
25:59
Speaker 1: for twenty two million in dollars year to yawn until
26:03
Speaker 1: you figure that side out. And in that process you
26:05
Speaker 1: have to sit back and say, not just for this
26:07
Speaker 1: coming year, but for the next three to four years,
26:11
Speaker 1: are we willing to as an organization to put a
26:14
Speaker 1: cap number in the high in the mid twenties or
26:17
Speaker 1: the low twenties on our pass Rusher, that's the question
26:22
Speaker 1: you have to ask, and you have to. It's a
26:23
Speaker 1: big it's a it's a puzzle, it's a you have
26:25
Speaker 1: to look at the allocatian resources and that's to that position.
26:31
Speaker 1: That's that's you know, that's what it is. And you
26:33
Speaker 1: already have to the other defensive end. I don't know
26:35
Speaker 1: what the number is for Josh Allen's rookie deal, but
26:38
Speaker 1: it's probably about nine or ten years, isn't it. I
26:41
Speaker 1: don't know what that is. That's a great question. Uh,
26:44
Speaker 1: rookie deal, I mean should not be anything that's crazy.
26:48
Speaker 1: Five years. JP is gonna stand four years whatever the
26:51
Speaker 1: four year numbers. What's five year? I mean it's a
26:53
Speaker 1: five year deal. Yeah, but right now you're only locked
26:56
Speaker 1: in for the fourth locked in four, but it's gonna
26:58
Speaker 1: be five. Your cab numbers on four an option here,
27:00
Speaker 1: and the way he's going right now, you'd already picked
27:03
Speaker 1: the option up if you could do it for Josh Allen.
27:07
Speaker 1: Cap hit five point one, dead captain point nine five
27:11
Speaker 1: point one. So I mean that means what's your cap
27:13
Speaker 1: hit next year? You got that six point two one,
27:16
Speaker 1: but it's five point one. So here's it's very simple.
27:19
Speaker 1: So do you want to allocate or thirty million dollars
27:22
Speaker 1: at the defense and end position for your starters? And
27:28
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's the question. It's it's a big picture.
27:30
Speaker 1: It's not it's not a crazy philosophy to build around
27:33
Speaker 1: guys like that, not at all. I'm not saying it is.
27:35
Speaker 1: But considering everything out that that's gone out from this
27:38
Speaker 1: football team, and then in salary cap over the last
27:40
Speaker 1: few years, you gotta let me go back to when
27:45
Speaker 1: when people like the Rams Rams and in a pretty
27:47
Speaker 1: tough spot because they traded away a lot of their
27:49
Speaker 1: draft capital and five guys and a a hundred eight million
27:52
Speaker 1: dollars in their cap. Okay, So when you have that
27:54
Speaker 1: kind of top heavy salary cap, I guess you could
27:58
Speaker 1: say until so now you need to find a way
28:02
Speaker 1: to bring in your lower cost employees. I means you
28:05
Speaker 1: have to figure out the other forty eight guys for
28:07
Speaker 1: a hundred millions Okay, So you're you're lower cost employees
28:11
Speaker 1: come in in the form of rookies, okay. And then
28:14
Speaker 1: that rookies comes in typically in the draft. And if
28:17
Speaker 1: you're not getting them via draft picks and you're getting
28:19
Speaker 1: them as undrafted rookie free agents. So where are the
28:22
Speaker 1: Rams right now trying to be able to counteract that
28:25
Speaker 1: top heavy salary cap. They're in a tough position now,
28:29
Speaker 1: and to be perfect, hounesced with your next couple of years,
28:31
Speaker 1: they're screwed. They're screwed. What are they gonna do? According
28:37
Speaker 1: to less Need, he says, they're fine, you're gonna sign
28:40
Speaker 1: Rams will be fired, and somebody else is gonna have
28:43
Speaker 1: to clean the mess up. And then they're gonna get
28:44
Speaker 1: fired because they didn't clean it up quick enough. And
28:47
Speaker 1: then whoever comes in after that point, then we'll have
28:49
Speaker 1: a decent job in a new stadium next year and
28:53
Speaker 1: a really big new stadium. Yes, they gotta fill. This
28:56
Speaker 1: is years down the road that all this is gonna happen.
28:59
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a couple years for the Rams to
29:01
Speaker 1: realize what are we doing? What? Why do we give
29:04
Speaker 1: up a two first round picks in the fourth round
29:08
Speaker 1: pick for a guy that didn't play in the last
29:11
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29:12
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29:17
Speaker 1: They're gonna go what are we doing? And then when
29:20
Speaker 1: they realized that they can't off set the explosive cost
29:23
Speaker 1: over an ag and running back and a quarterback who
29:26
Speaker 1: didn't justify the number that you gave him. They've got
29:30
Speaker 1: no way to counteract it, you know, and and the
29:32
Speaker 1: Jaguars have the resources to be able to to do that.
29:38
Speaker 1: Let's come back, we'll talk the quarterback position and we'll
29:41
Speaker 1: touch on some of those guys that could be kept.
29:43
Speaker 1: Casualties especially, I think is one that it's really interesting,
29:48
Speaker 1: and that's and in the summary summario, we all want
29:52
Speaker 1: him back in the sense he's a great player, and
29:54
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29:56
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars. As far as plans moving forward, um, I
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Speaker 1: think there's a lot of self evaluation, like Coach Marron said,
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Speaker 1: and and where we're at, and that would be decision
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Speaker 1: decision has been made today as to what that's gonna
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Speaker 1: look like. But we feel good about Gardner and moving
33:38
Speaker 1: forward with him. Dave Coldwell, Jaguars general manager, the press
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Speaker 1: conference Tuesday discussing the quarterback position and Gardner Minshew the
33:47
Speaker 1: second Nick Foles on the roster. Of course, this is
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Speaker 1: The aftermath of the press conference on Tuesday, Coldwell and
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Speaker 1: own or Back made the announcement about ten o'clock Tuesday,
34:04
Speaker 1: the press conference with those two at three o'clock that day.
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Speaker 1: And now the coaches are gone for a couple of
34:10
Speaker 1: weeks or so. They'll be back in the thirteenth and
34:13
Speaker 1: then the off season can really commence from there. But
34:16
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, as you said, Logs, you feel this
34:19
Speaker 1: priority number, well, I think it should be. And look,
34:21
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to to undervalue what Gardner Minshew has done.
34:26
Speaker 1: I think he's had. He was the best rookie quarterback
34:30
Speaker 1: in an incredible year and seriously should have been considered
34:33
Speaker 1: for NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year. I mean really,
34:38
Speaker 1: I mean look, look look at his numbers. One games,
34:40
Speaker 1: he won games, he came back and won two games himself.
34:44
Speaker 1: I think the r the winner is gonna be uh.
34:47
Speaker 1: I think the running back Josh Jacobs is going to
34:49
Speaker 1: get the probably year. Yeah, but I was I know
34:54
Speaker 1: that there's a couple other publication slash websites to come
34:58
Speaker 1: out with their picks and uh Minshew hasn't won any
35:02
Speaker 1: of them yet and Josh Allen hasn't won any of
35:05
Speaker 1: them because both has been getting obviously better team I
35:09
Speaker 1: think it is going to get you there. And he
35:11
Speaker 1: was a higher pick and he's a really good player.
35:14
Speaker 1: I mean to try to pick between Josh Allen nick Bos,
35:16
Speaker 1: I mean you don't go wrong either way. I think
35:19
Speaker 1: they're both great players. If you're looking at Kyler Murray
35:23
Speaker 1: and Minshew, if you look at the numbers, I mean,
35:25
Speaker 1: Minshew has been better and uh so more wins, more touchdowns.
35:31
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to discount what Gardner Minshew has been
35:33
Speaker 1: able to do this year. But I think if if
35:36
Speaker 1: you stand pat at the quarterback position and take the
35:41
Speaker 1: approach of the hey, look we feel good about where
35:43
Speaker 1: we're at, and we feel good enough to the point
35:46
Speaker 1: where where we're not going to look at addressing the
35:48
Speaker 1: quarterback position via the draft or free ancy. I don't
35:53
Speaker 1: think you can do it during free anc anyway, but
35:55
Speaker 1: if you feel like you're not going to address it
35:57
Speaker 1: in in the draft, I think that's a mistake. I
35:59
Speaker 1: think always have to be open to doing that, as
36:03
Speaker 1: I said before, and tell you know you have the guy.
36:06
Speaker 1: I mean, you may feel good about Minshew, but do
36:10
Speaker 1: you know would you use the would you use the
36:12
Speaker 1: sixth over I guess I'm not. We're at six more,
36:14
Speaker 1: ninth overall pick Tony. I said I would do it
36:16
Speaker 1: last year, right, I mean we we had this conversation
36:20
Speaker 1: last year in the draft, and I think we talked
36:22
Speaker 1: about I think it was Haskins and and and h Well,
36:28
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows what Haskins is gonna become, but
36:32
Speaker 1: it's a it's an interesting conversation. I said last year that, yes,
36:35
Speaker 1: I would consider drafting a quarterback, even though the Jaguars
36:40
Speaker 1: had spent the money in free agency on Nick Foles.
36:43
Speaker 1: So here's the balance of this too. It This was
36:45
Speaker 1: asked kind of in the press conference a little bit.
36:49
Speaker 1: They've got a win, called well on Maron, They've got
36:51
Speaker 1: to win next year. They've got to be a playoff
36:54
Speaker 1: team next year. Right, If you draft a quarterback in
36:57
Speaker 1: the first round, ninth overall and expect him to go
37:01
Speaker 1: out and get you to the playoffs? Is that thinking
37:03
Speaker 1: too much of that? Guy? Yes? Was the balance of
37:09
Speaker 1: the notre of the organization versus next year? Well, that's
37:13
Speaker 1: I think that question depends what you're asking. Darn right,
37:17
Speaker 1: it is. Well that question was actually posed during the
37:20
Speaker 1: press conference and called Welsh felt that that was that
37:24
Speaker 1: was his job in ownership's job to balance that, to
37:27
Speaker 1: provide balance in that instance. And again, I mean that
37:32
Speaker 1: that's hard. It's hard to do that because going back
37:36
Speaker 1: to what we talked about before, there is skin in
37:39
Speaker 1: the game. And if you're giving a win now mandate,
37:43
Speaker 1: you know, what are you gonna do? And so and
37:46
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they were given a win now, man,
37:48
Speaker 1: we were. The expectation is they've got to show improvement
37:53
Speaker 1: whatever that is. So uh so, yeah, I mean that's
37:57
Speaker 1: that's a tough thing to accomplish. And uh and look,
38:01
Speaker 1: I don't know the draft as far as quarterbacks, so
38:05
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert. Now I know that there's one
38:08
Speaker 1: of them, that is I've seen two playing this pretty
38:11
Speaker 1: good Joe Burrow, Joe Burrows pretty good. Actual, I've seen
38:13
Speaker 1: three Joe brow to uh came saying his last that's
38:19
Speaker 1: all I'm going with you. And then Herbert from Oregon
38:23
Speaker 1: I already looked really good in the ballgame. I didn't
38:24
Speaker 1: watch it well, stats were terrible. I was on a plane,
38:26
Speaker 1: So I didn't see it. Maybe I'm wrong. No, no,
38:29
Speaker 1: but all the report I read the same reports that
38:31
Speaker 1: he looked like he's the real deal. Rookies at other
38:35
Speaker 1: positions can have more of an immediate impact, though, unless
38:38
Speaker 1: your name is Andrew Luck or I guess r G
38:41
Speaker 1: three had a big impact this first there's many Storically
38:43
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out. Man, well, Lamar Jackson. Here here's
38:47
Speaker 1: a perfect example. Lamar Jackson was taking thirty first in
38:49
Speaker 1: the NFL pick. They were an organization that looked like
38:53
Speaker 1: possibly making a change that they head coach seven seventh
38:57
Speaker 1: straight or sixth something like that. Gott won the division
39:00
Speaker 1: and gotten to play rookie. So rookie quarterback not common,
39:04
Speaker 1: but rookie quarterbacks can, I mean, special ones can make
39:07
Speaker 1: a difference. But here, here, here, let's look at the
39:13
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterbacks. I mean, look at the Hall
39:15
Speaker 1: of Fame quarterbacks. Let me look out how many of
39:18
Speaker 1: them have had that kind of an impact in the
39:20
Speaker 1: rookie season. Montana l A. Marina Marino pretty good? Uh,
39:27
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean not many guys came in and
39:29
Speaker 1: had that impact. So it's it's it's pretty rare for
39:32
Speaker 1: that position. I'm with Jeff. I think you always draft
39:34
Speaker 1: a guy until you have the guy, but you know
39:37
Speaker 1: he's the guy. And even then, even when you know
39:39
Speaker 1: you have the guy, you brand need the draft one
39:41
Speaker 1: every two or three years in the middle of the
39:43
Speaker 1: back end. Um. But did you see Chris Ballard's comments
39:48
Speaker 1: today on Jacoby Brisette. I thought it was pretty good
39:54
Speaker 1: and that he was asked about about Jacoby Brissette and
39:57
Speaker 1: he said, you know, we're just not comfortable. We still
40:00
Speaker 1: feel like we've got a lot of work to do
40:01
Speaker 1: at that position, said, we need to be better in
40:04
Speaker 1: the passing game. Jacoby has to be better, we have
40:06
Speaker 1: to be better as coaches. I have to be better
40:08
Speaker 1: to provide more weapons for Jacoby Brissette. And I liked
40:11
Speaker 1: his answer and that he was very noncommittal. He didn't
40:15
Speaker 1: say that, look, you know, I feel good about Jacoby Brissette.
40:19
Speaker 1: He didn't say I feel bad about Jacoby Brissette. He said, look,
40:22
Speaker 1: we got work to do. And uh. And I think
40:24
Speaker 1: when you I mean that, that that I think is
40:26
Speaker 1: a really honest assessment of where they're at. And it's
40:29
Speaker 1: very fair and I don't think that's in any way
40:31
Speaker 1: demeaning from the general manager Ballard down to Brissette. I
40:36
Speaker 1: think it's that's just that's reality, right, and it's honest,
40:39
Speaker 1: and I thought that that was was a good way
40:42
Speaker 1: to go about the only reason I would not take
40:44
Speaker 1: a quarterback at nine this year from what I've seen,
40:47
Speaker 1: other the work I've done, I think what will be
40:49
Speaker 1: there at nine, Like, I'm only taking the guy at
40:52
Speaker 1: nine if I'm convinced, if if I'm David, Doug and
40:55
Speaker 1: shod and due through the evaluation, like this guy is
40:59
Speaker 1: the guy, and so we're taking him. If he falls
41:03
Speaker 1: the nine, we're taking him. Other than that, I think
41:05
Speaker 1: this roster has way too many holes. I guess, way
41:08
Speaker 1: too many holes. And I think you need to. I
41:10
Speaker 1: think you need to if it was me, the first
41:12
Speaker 1: three picks or first four picks. Let's say that your
41:15
Speaker 1: two first, your two, and your three and no order,
41:18
Speaker 1: because I haven't done any work on the draft either,
41:20
Speaker 1: but you need offensive line defense into your defensive line, middle, linebacker,
41:23
Speaker 1: tight end. Those are like major holes on this quarterback.
41:26
Speaker 1: And I would I would argue, I would argue defensive first,
41:31
Speaker 1: you gotta stop that run somehow. You have to have
41:35
Speaker 1: best player first. You have to fix the interior of
41:37
Speaker 1: that defense, defense, tackle, middle, lineback. Um, I'm with Jeff,
41:43
Speaker 1: with Jeff as well, if a franchise left tackle sitting
41:46
Speaker 1: there at nine, you take him, take them more. More
41:49
Speaker 1: mistakes have been made in the draft trying to pick
41:51
Speaker 1: need than than best player. Yeah, you need. I mean no,
41:55
Speaker 1: I'm not just picking best player. I'm not picking I
41:56
Speaker 1: don't care if the best player of the world's at
41:58
Speaker 1: wide receiver, I'm not or unning back. I'm not picking
42:00
Speaker 1: him ninth. I think it is Jerry Judy and if
42:05
Speaker 1: he's here on the eight crow. But I said the
42:07
Speaker 1: same thing in seventeen when Jared whatever his name is,
42:11
Speaker 1: j J J whatever, whatever. That's why we're not gonna
42:15
Speaker 1: pick him, or we might who knows. Um, But that's
42:18
Speaker 1: why I wouldn't at nine right now, having done no
42:21
Speaker 1: college work, just watch college football this year, would not
42:23
Speaker 1: pick a quarterback right there. Um, as far as Gardner Mintshew,
42:28
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny, no decision has been made.
42:30
Speaker 1: But then at the last comment was we feel good
42:31
Speaker 1: about Gardner? Minshew never mentioned Nick Foles at all? Well,
42:34
Speaker 1: the question that, to be fair, was asked specific it
42:37
Speaker 1: was about but he delved into the quarterback position. Um,
42:42
Speaker 1: that's fair then. Uh. The bottom line is this, The
42:45
Speaker 1: facts are the facts. Gardner Minshew was the best quarterback
42:47
Speaker 1: in the NFL workie quarterback in the NFL this year.
42:50
Speaker 1: If you would have been a first round draft pick,
42:51
Speaker 1: everybody in this country, in this city, in the NFL
42:56
Speaker 1: community would be saying, boy, the Jaguars found their guy.
42:59
Speaker 1: But ricky about coming in on a roster that's not
43:01
Speaker 1: very good winning six games during one touchdowns, nine interceptions
43:06
Speaker 1: over six completion percentage, everybody would be saying, based on
43:10
Speaker 1: no tight end on the roster, um, you know, a
43:12
Speaker 1: bunch of some issues as far as protection at the
43:15
Speaker 1: offensive line, they'd be saying, he's the guy. I mean,
43:18
Speaker 1: that's what they would be saying. Because they're saying in
43:20
Speaker 1: New York with Daniel Jones right now, they're excited about him.
43:22
Speaker 1: Arizona is a static static with Kyler Murley Murray. He
43:26
Speaker 1: was better than both of them. What doesn't though, when
43:29
Speaker 1: you're higher draft back, a first round quarterback, is the
43:32
Speaker 1: focus a little more on your mistakes like the mistakes
43:36
Speaker 1: that Gardner made if he was the first round because
43:41
Speaker 1: the expectations are higher, so the concentration is higher numbers.
43:45
Speaker 1: Look at the numbers and nine. I'm just saying, like
43:48
Speaker 1: the it could be a different um approach to criticism
43:53
Speaker 1: of him. I don't disagree. But as you look at
43:54
Speaker 1: it where you sit, Kyler Murray won five games, Daniel
43:57
Speaker 1: Jones won three games, UH, Dwayne Haskins won two or
44:02
Speaker 1: three games, and you have UH with Gardner Minsho win
44:05
Speaker 1: six games. I don't think anyone will argue, at least
44:09
Speaker 1: at this table right now or across the league, that
44:12
Speaker 1: the Jaguars roster was better than those other teams. I
44:18
Speaker 1: don't know. But what I'm saying but is it was
44:20
Speaker 1: it remarkably better Jeff, based on what you know. Yeah,
44:23
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's worse, but I'm just saying, but
44:25
Speaker 1: it's in it. So you look at his touchdown to
44:28
Speaker 1: interception ratio better than all of them. You look at
44:31
Speaker 1: his completion percentage right in the same area, which is
44:34
Speaker 1: not good enough. It's not good enough, but it's right
44:37
Speaker 1: in the same areas these other rookies. And so that's
44:40
Speaker 1: where I think if you look at gardnerments, you're like, Okay,
44:44
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced he's the guy. By the way. That's
44:46
Speaker 1: why I'm picking a quarterback at some point in this draft,
44:49
Speaker 1: but I'm not convinced he's not either. I'm with you,
44:53
Speaker 1: so it's it's unknown. All right, Let's come back in
44:56
Speaker 1: a moment, we will discuss wild card weekend. Let's come on.
45:00
Speaker 1: Let me just say this because when I think when
45:03
Speaker 1: and what you don't want to get into is a
45:07
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45:12
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45:18
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45:20
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45:21
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Yeah, so mean you you didn't maybe
45:25
Speaker 1: take three guys in that year and then the next
45:28
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45:32
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45:35
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45:39
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51:11
Speaker 1: even a matchup, I think yeah. I think it's to
51:12
Speaker 1: be a close game. You know, usually you just say,
51:15
Speaker 1: as long as that the Patriots could stop Derrick Henry,
51:18
Speaker 1: they'll be fine. But you go look at the numbers
51:20
Speaker 1: and with Ryan Tannehill has done this year is remarkable.
51:24
Speaker 1: I mean, he has played really good football. They're like,
51:27
Speaker 1: the red zone proficiency is off the charts. Over seventy
51:32
Speaker 1: touchdowns they score, um, what's his completion percentage? Wow? And
51:40
Speaker 1: they gave up what round pick for tanney Hill in
51:42
Speaker 1: the trade with the Dolphins. It was a late round pick,
51:45
Speaker 1: fourth round six, something like that. I mean a late
51:49
Speaker 1: round pick. Um, He's been, by far, by the way,
51:53
Speaker 1: the best quarterback acquisition of any team this season. Tannehill
51:57
Speaker 1: seventy passing this year to a one. Yeah, it's amazing.
52:02
Speaker 1: It's like one, see what what round they gave up?
52:06
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's good. And then you know the Patriots
52:09
Speaker 1: can't are struggling to score points, so Brady A lot
52:13
Speaker 1: of talk that this will be Brady's last if they don't,
52:15
Speaker 1: if they lose, will be Brady's last game in the
52:17
Speaker 1: Patriot uniform. You think it will be? Um, yeah, I do.
52:22
Speaker 1: I think I think that Belichick's ready to move on.
52:25
Speaker 1: That's the sense kind of you read between the lines.
52:27
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to anyone, but just as you read,
52:29
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, he's a free agent after this year.
52:33
Speaker 1: And I think I think belichicks here. I mean he
52:37
Speaker 1: has not I mean Brady has not been great. Now.
52:39
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a lot of weapons either around them.
52:40
Speaker 1: But let me make this point because it's it's interesting
52:44
Speaker 1: to me because when a player gets to be a
52:47
Speaker 1: certain age and and I'll put Tom Brady in this
52:50
Speaker 1: in this bag, and it also plays Campbell in the
52:53
Speaker 1: same boat, okay, and then when they get to a
52:55
Speaker 1: certain point age wise, the first reason and to justify
53:01
Speaker 1: the performance is, oh, it's the age catching up with them,
53:05
Speaker 1: instead of maybe tom Brady's got an elbow, maybe Clariss
53:10
Speaker 1: has got a back or risk or a knee. I mean,
53:13
Speaker 1: so I think sometimes people are quick to go it's
53:17
Speaker 1: the age. We've got to move on from this, instead
53:20
Speaker 1: of maybe having a little bit of patience with somebody
53:24
Speaker 1: and then keeping them for another year. But I mean,
53:27
Speaker 1: age sometimes is that first reaction. So I wouldn't be
53:32
Speaker 1: if I'm the Patriots, I'm not sitting there going age
53:34
Speaker 1: is caught up with tom Brady. We've got to move
53:37
Speaker 1: on from him. You don't want to move on to
53:40
Speaker 1: I mean, I would roll the dice another year and say, hey, look,
53:43
Speaker 1: you know, I've got a guy who's who's the goat
53:46
Speaker 1: and maybe it was just a health issue this year,
53:48
Speaker 1: and try to roll with him once again, just like
53:51
Speaker 1: if I were the Jaguars, I would want to roll
53:53
Speaker 1: with Claiss Campbell once again. I'd like to try to
53:55
Speaker 1: get the number a little bit more manageable because I'm
53:59
Speaker 1: gonna try to reduce his number of defensive snaps. Well, yeah,
54:02
Speaker 1: forget about but I have to get the number more manageable.
54:07
Speaker 1: Because you can't afford him under the cap to pay him,
54:09
Speaker 1: what do you do next? You should probably find a way. Okay,
54:12
Speaker 1: but Jeff, you say that, but how are you gonna
54:14
Speaker 1: do that? Would do that? I mean the cap right now?
54:18
Speaker 1: I mean you have somebody's gonna be gone and someone
54:20
Speaker 1: has to take pay cuts. Now, I'm with you. I
54:22
Speaker 1: look at You're not gonna pay him? What is his
54:25
Speaker 1: fifteen or sixteen next morning? I mean you wouldn't do that,
54:28
Speaker 1: But I mean in a perfect world. I mean, look,
54:30
Speaker 1: you'd like to keep him. I'd like to keep him too.
54:33
Speaker 1: Just fourteen and a half the dead Caps five? Okay, yeah, alright,
54:37
Speaker 1: so what would be a fair number? Eight? I'm with him,
54:40
Speaker 1: I'm right there with him. And that was this year
54:42
Speaker 1: seventeen and a half and the dead Caps two and
54:45
Speaker 1: a half next year, yes, which I mean so look,
54:48
Speaker 1: I mean for how many snaps? I mean we're gonna
54:51
Speaker 1: pay We're gonna pay him how many snaps? No more
54:57
Speaker 1: than that? And and pay him eight million. Now I'd
55:03
Speaker 1: be comfortable with that. Calais may not be comfortable with that.
55:08
Speaker 1: Are you comfortable with the other guys taking the snaps
55:10
Speaker 1: that he's not taking anymore? Um, well, I mean, Smooth's
55:16
Speaker 1: got coming up on year four. I thought smooth. I
55:18
Speaker 1: thought Smooth took a big step up this year. I
55:20
Speaker 1: thought he played well. I think Smooth can take on
55:23
Speaker 1: more of that role and whether or not he could
55:27
Speaker 1: perform he Look, here's the reality, GP, He's not gonna
55:31
Speaker 1: be able to perform at the level that Clay has
55:33
Speaker 1: performed at this year or the year before or the
55:37
Speaker 1: year before that. It's not what that that you're not
55:39
Speaker 1: trying to replace at the same level or better with
55:43
Speaker 1: Klais's performers. You're trying to get close to it so
55:47
Speaker 1: that you can allow Class to still be or to
55:50
Speaker 1: go back to his level of performance of what he
55:54
Speaker 1: was back in eighteen and seventeen. So, no, you can't
56:00
Speaker 1: place him with a guy that's gonna immediately be as good.
56:04
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. I mean, you've you've got
56:07
Speaker 1: defensive player. Yeah, he was awesome this year. It was good.
56:13
Speaker 1: It wasn't great two years ago. Phenomenal three years ago. Wow,
56:19
Speaker 1: I mean arguably the best player in defense. You should
56:21
Speaker 1: have you should have won. So I mean, look at
56:28
Speaker 1: I'd love to keep him and and hopefully you can
56:30
Speaker 1: work something out. But what is this, Uh, it would
56:35
Speaker 1: be your third team years old, and you're talking about
56:39
Speaker 1: a guy who has made I think he's surpassed a
56:43
Speaker 1: hundred million in career earnings. So it becomes at a
56:46
Speaker 1: point where it's not about the money, although some cases
56:50
Speaker 1: it might still be. Yeah, he surpassed a hundred million
56:53
Speaker 1: this year a hundred three billion and change. In when
56:56
Speaker 1: I think of your class, you have to ask yourself
56:58
Speaker 1: a question if gonna take a health and if you're
57:01
Speaker 1: gonna take a pay cut, because regardless, even if you
57:03
Speaker 1: let him go and he still wants to play, no
57:05
Speaker 1: one else is gonna pay in fifteen sixty million dollars
57:07
Speaker 1: either do a thing no, I yeah, I wouldn't think.
57:11
Speaker 1: So it comes down to crazy things happen. That's true.
57:15
Speaker 1: Fair enough. It comes down to if you're Calais, do
57:19
Speaker 1: you want to take a pay cut? You still want
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Speaker 1: to play? And now you have options. Let's say it's
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Speaker 1: all equal. I can make eight million dollars here, I
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Speaker 1: can make eight million dollars a team A, B, C,
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Speaker 1: and D, and then us be in the fifth team.
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Speaker 1: You have to ask yourself where you are in your career.
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Speaker 1: If all the money is equal and you've made a
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Speaker 1: bunch of money, is what do you want? What do
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Speaker 1: you want? And so your comfort Maybe I want to
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Speaker 1: finish my career. I've got to have a legacy here.
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Speaker 1: I'm one of the most popular players in franchise history.
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Speaker 1: I can, you know, try to help transposition this team
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Speaker 1: and mentor young guys and you know everything else and
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Speaker 1: have a chance to you know, go to the playoffs
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Speaker 1: and makes them happen. But it's not as good as
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Speaker 1: or I can go to another team that's you know,
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Speaker 1: a playoff can tender one of the favorites for the
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Speaker 1: you know super Bowl. Yeah, and I want to get
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Speaker 1: a ring. Well, now, all of a a sudden, you're like, well,
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Speaker 1: I love Jacksonville, but I want to ring. And I
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Speaker 1: think Kansas City gives me a better chance of win
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Speaker 1: to ring than Jacksonville does. Or what if Denver offers wherever?
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Speaker 1: You know, I chance to play my hometown interest before
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Speaker 1: so so we'll see. By the way, um, the Dolphins
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Speaker 1: traded Tannehill and a sixth round pick this year to
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Speaker 1: the Titans for a twenty nineteen seventh round pick and
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Speaker 1: fourth round pick. There were multiple draft picks, basically a
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Speaker 1: fourth round fifth rounder, yes, yea like a fourth fifth
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Speaker 1: round Sad news today, former Bengals and Bucks head coach
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Speaker 1: Sam White passed away seventy four years of age. He
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Speaker 1: died at his home and pick in South Carolina of
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Speaker 1: liver cancer. He was the head coach of the Bengals
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Speaker 1: from eighty four to ninety one, in the Buccaneers from
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Speaker 1: ninety two to ninety five, and had a career after
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Speaker 1: that in the broadcast booth. He was. My experience with
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Speaker 1: him was kind of twofold. Bruce Coslate was my head
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Speaker 1: coach when I was in New York for a time,
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Speaker 1: and Bruce came from that. He was a player and
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Speaker 1: coach for the Cincinnati Bengals for a long period of time,
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Speaker 1: and so he came from underneath Sam White, and so
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Speaker 1: I got to know Sam via Bruce and UH and
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Speaker 1: then also got to meet him a little bit when
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Speaker 1: he was a broadcaster. Outstanding man, I mean, top notch,
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Speaker 1: top level human being, coach. Guy. I can't say enough
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Speaker 1: good things about him. In UH in the world has
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Speaker 1: lost a good all right, we're back in a moment
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