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We hope you enjoy the show. Hello and welcome to the long
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and short of it. The podcast where we discuss
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each of the games on the Metacritic top 100 list.
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My name is Dan and I'm joined by my name is Lawrence.
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Welcome to the podcast, welcome one, and all How are you?
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Yeah, more. I not bad.
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So, what day are we on more on a Tuesday?
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Remember, last time we recorded on a Tuesday.
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So today I've got a bit of a different episode.
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You may remember listener a few weeks ago that we said we would
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be well we've mentioned this episode so many times.
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Now we said we were going to do a special episode which was one
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where we categorize each of the games from the top 100 list and
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we select a winner. From each category based on
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genres. So I've put together the games
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into sort of loose genres. Some of them are a bit trickier
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than others because they kind of don't fit neatly into one genre.
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So you may disagree with some of the genres or feel that Game
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Belongs elsewhere, which is fair enough.
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I also must admit that I placed a couple of games that were a
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bit in between in certain genres.
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To spice it up a bit and create more interesting.
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Brackets for us. So how are you feeling leading
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into this special episode? To be honest with you, like I
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think you mentioned a steering this, about two weeks ago and
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I've not thought about it at all.
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So I'm going in pretty blind. You've not shared with me any
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lists or anything? No, so I I've got yeah, I've got
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no idea what to expect. Got to remember all the games
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and all Off the top of my head, of course.
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Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
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Right. That's fair.
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And obviously, the winner of each category will be Tetris.
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So I will first read out the genres that I've gone for.
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I thought in my head First of all that this would be like six
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or seven which seven genres, but it just doesn't work like that.
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And here are the genres. I have just before you jump into
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that, I feel that I should also preface this.
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By saying, we haven't run out of ideas for the podcast because
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obviously we had our ranking episode a few weeks ago, the
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reason that we put this episode here is because as we've noted
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previously, towards the end of the top 100 list, we came up
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against quite a lot of long game.
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Eames because we didn't forward plan well enough.
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So at the moment we're playing, I think we've got about four
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back-to-back big games. So in order to give you an
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episode, we thought we'd bring this one forward while we play
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some of the bigger games in the background.
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So it's not that we've run out of ideas.
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We've got loader loader, loader games, left to do.
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It's just for continuity sake. We have, we have mentioned this
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episode quite a few times. Yeah, well, so we're now
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delivering on that promise. But yes, Onward, Christian
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Soldiers. So the genres that we've gone
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for our first or not first because I'm probably going to do
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them in a bit of a, random order, seven action adventure is
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there. Then we've got Adventure pure
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Adventure, then we've got action.
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Excellent original. Then we've got platform, then
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we've got first person shooter, we have third-person shooter, we
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have fighting game. Stealth Game survival horror.
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Western role-playing game. Japanese role-playing game.
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Now I could have split the role playing games, a bunch of ways I
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could have done action, RPGs strategy RPGs but Yeah, that
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that one felt the most, right because you do get a bit of a
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gulf between jrpgs western western RPGs.
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And you can usually tell the difference between them and
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there are some RPGs that are RPGs, but they don't sit nicely
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in either category. So yeah, I thought like, for
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example Baldur's Gate which is a crpg, not astronaut, Ash and
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this RPG, or and a RPG. So next we've got Puzzle.
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Strategy, racing Sports Extreme Sports and sandbox.
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No, I think you'll agree. That's quite a quite a few more
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genres than maybe we thought beforehand.
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Yes. More than the average bear.
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We're gonna kick off with I'm going to kick off with.
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An easy one with only two games in there so I'm going to kick
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off with our survival horror genre.
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It's you know it's who games are going to be in there.
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Will it be Resident Evil 4 and Resident Evil Code Veronica?
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Correct. Yeah so there are there are
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games within the time. I've got a big brain.
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Yes. So all right.
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So which is the winner of the survival horror genre Resident,
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Evil 4 because Resident Evil Code for on occurs.
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One of the worst games ever played.
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I never want to play it. Her again, ever is my vote.
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What about your runner-up? The runner-up I would say we'll
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put Resident Evil 4 in first place.
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And we'll also put Resident Evil 4 in the runner-up position
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because I don't think code Veronica deserves to be deserves
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to be acknowledged personally. And that is where I stand.
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Where do you stand? I imagine quite.
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Similarly Resident. Evil 4 is the winner hands down.
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There's to me there's not really.
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Competition here. Now, there is something to throw
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a bit of a spanner in the works though.
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Hmm, what if we were to include again that we did last
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Halloween, Silent Hill 2. I'd say Resident Evil 4 would
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still when I like Silent Hill 2 and I like the vibe of it, but I
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remember. So I don't mean to be fair, the
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controls and merciful for on, on ideal.
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Yeah. Like Resident Evil 2.
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I think I'll be interested to play the Remake that they're
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doing. Ying.
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Yeah. But yes, I would say that if you
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put Silent Hill 2 in there, it would still be the case that
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Resident Evil 4 would win. Even though, I was very near
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about resi for, I'd say that one word, when the category, You did
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make it all the way through Rosie for, though, which was
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good. I did, I tried my hardest I
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would say if Silent Hill 2 was there.
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I agree. It would take the runners-up
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position, the runner-up position.
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So, okay, on to the next one, nice quick.
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One there. Next, we're going to go for my
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award for the most boring genre. The sports genre.
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So within the sports genre we have five games, we have NCAA
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football, 2004 Madden NFL, 2004 Madden NFL, 2002, Madden NFL,
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2003 and NFL, 2K 1. So, All-American, football,
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yeah, and preface it with you and me, didn't play all of them
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like you played some, and I played some great and And I know
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that you said NCAA was pretty pretty good, but I'd probably
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say that. I really like it's got you AAA
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was Madden with college football.
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Yes, that was it. I'd say Madden NFL 04, just
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because it was the most modern 12.
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Therefore was the, the tightest, the most up-to-date rosters for
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that time and brought the most of the table.
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I guess. I don't know what you'd say
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because obviously, you paid a couple of different ones like
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doing you like to cake. One a day.
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So I prefer I think NFL 2K one would win it for me with Madden
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NFL 2004 as the runner-up to K1 just felt quite refreshing
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arkady and sweet, whereas, the Madden games and all the other
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games on their 2002, 2003, 2004 NCAA felt the same game to me,
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just with slightly different rosters.
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So I'm picking the outlier, the game that did something.
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Bit different I suppose. Yeah, fairly.
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Yeah. That's quite an easy one.
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Okay. Next, where shall we go?
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I've have any choices for where to go next?
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Say Western RPGs I'm interested to see what's in there.
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I'm okay. I'm thinking that the Star Wars
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game will be in there. I can't think what other ones
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will be in there. Maybe Witcher 3 So this list
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comprises Mass Effect 2. Yeah, called the Scrolls 5
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Skyrim the Elder Scrolls for Oblivion The Witcher 3 wild Hunt
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complete edition. Diablo Star Wars Knights of the
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Old Republic Divinity, original sin to Definitive Edition
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borders, Gates who Shadows of arm and undertale.
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That is how just make it more difficult for you.
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Yeah I had it down to either Jedi Knights of the Old Republic
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Skyrim and then he said undertale and undertale makes it
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complicated because I really liked undertale.
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I really like undertale and I'd put that I'd love to say that
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would be first. But for me, I'd say it's Skyrim
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just off the amount that I played Skyrim the the fact that
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I don't really tend to get bored with Skyrim and it's just a game
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that's been so prevalent in, you know, my, my twenties and I do
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have a lot of time for Skyrim, but that is a very hard choice
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between that and undertale, but yes.
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Skyrim winds up for me. What about you?
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So I think you Lance is going to completely different.
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Yeah, I think it's worth saying here as well.
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That With these answers, probably are not being as
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critical as we were in the actual episodes.
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And also in the, in the grading episode, what I mean by that is
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where, as we were trying to place ourselves in the position
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of various positions when we were grading the games, and when
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we were talking with, we're trying to consider the public
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and yet there's, this is really just a favorites list.
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Yeah, our opinions. Yeah.
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So for me, It's down to two. I think you're going to say
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Witcher 3. Yeah, that is 1 and Mass Effect
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2. Yeah, that's right.
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Yes, it's down to those two. You wouldn't think I'd known you
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for 12 years, would you? I think I'm gonna go for Witcher
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3. Yeah, I love Mass Effect 2.
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I do I really really, really love it and it's a good runner
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up for me. But I just love the world of The
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Witcher, so yeah. That one wins it for me.
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That one's got my heart. Okay, I'm going to pick the next
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one. I'm trying to save some of the
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bigger ones for love for later. Yeah, sure.
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There are some big ones. We're gonna go for third person
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shooter. Okay.
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I can't think of games in that genre unless the Klan came to
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may be in them but I imagine you'll put them maybe an action
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or something. So this genre, there are some
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games that do fit it. Well, one game that does fit in
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there quite naturally. But the other three games that I
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put in there, they could easily fit in action adventure, but
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that genre is already quite bloated.
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And these are the three games are also third person shooters,
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so I thought I put them here. So the options are The Last of
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Us Uncharted 2 among Thieves Gears of War or The Last of Us
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Part 2. Could be interesting as one.
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Yeah. I mean, I thought Uncharted 2
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was okay. I didn't really think much of
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Gears of War. So it comes down to the last of
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us and alaskans part 2. And if anyone has been listening
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for, you know, as long back as we've been recording really
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because the last of us was one of the earlier games that we did
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and then we did last was part to probably about a week or so
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after it came out and in our last of this part 1 episode, I
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mentioned that I didn't really understand the requirement for a
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last of his part too. And I haven't really processed
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the last of his part 2 when we discussed that games operations
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here. Yeah, yeah, still trying to
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figure out how I feel about it because we recorded that the day
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after I had completed it. Yeah.
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And, you know, I went back to watch some of the clips from the
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endgame about, for maybe seven or eight months ago and spoilers
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but the last one of the last Scenes, where where Elly is
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remembering Joel and the last conversation that they had still
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makes me choke up a little bit where Joe's saying, you know if
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God gave me the opportunity to do everything the same, I would
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do it all exactly the same again and whenever I watch that I'm
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just like, like it's it hurts watching those clips.
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And to be honest playing the last of his part two is and I
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think I said it at the time and I've said it since is one of the
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Most emotionally harrowing experiences I've ever been
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through which, you know, shows my privilege.
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Because if I'm talking about one of the most emotionally
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harrowing experiences in my life, is playing a video game
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then, you know, lucky me. But there's this the video
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games. Yeah, it is without Liam Neeson.
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Sadly. But I would say, probably the
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last of us, I really, really, really enjoyed the last of his
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part to, but I haven't been back to play.
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That game since because I just know that it's going to take it
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out of me, whereas the last was part one, I've completed it
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probably about four or five times and it is a very good
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game. The very much lived up to
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expectations and took me a surprise at the time because I
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think I mentioned in the episode that one of our friends at Uni
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told me about it in 2013, the guy called Marcus and I hadn't
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heard anything about it and then I played it on.
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So okay this game is fantastic. So for me it would be the last
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was part one. What you think?
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I'm going to go for this one Uncharted to know.
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Okay, I don't think you can say, Gears of War.
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I like Gears of War a lot, but it's not quite on the level of
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the other three game. Well, maybe to Last of Us.
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I don't, I still, although it did grow on me.
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I prefer to me, it's between Uncharted 2 in the last was part
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2. So Uncharted, 2 gets the runner
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up. If it was 10 years ago, I might
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have said on child. Yeah.
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But the fact is later Uncharted games.
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Do it better not, it better. Yeah, so as much as I love
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Uncharted 2 and I've played that game a lot of times last of his
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part 2 was a surprise and I think you're right, you said
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about it being harrowing. Sometimes a game.
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I know we've had this conversation about what's the
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point of games and sometimes a game is not about having fun, it
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wasn't a fun game. No, but It did something and I
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still remember that game. Very, very clearly.
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Sometimes you just forget pretty quickly after playing them, but
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that period playing, that game is very Vivid for me and I see
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you mentioned the end conversation and immediately
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recall that conversation and remember the episode we did in
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this game may be a bit silly at times, but I'm quite happy with
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the way that We discussed this game and the way that we delved
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into some of the themes behind this game.
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Yeah. I feel like some of the stuff we
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said, wasn't some of the stuff that was going round in all the
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videos that were going around at the time.
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I think we managed to say some fresh things about this game.
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Yeah. See ya.
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Whatwhat am. I one of my favorite videos on
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last year's part? 2 is still the review that was
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done by the YouTube channel, girlfriend reviews?
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Yeah. She touches on quite a few
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things about having lost her dad in quite like a dramatic way and
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age, where it really affected her and the comparisons are she
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poured with this game and you know, wanting answers and I
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think that video really sums up how I feel about this game and
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I've not been through anything like that.
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Luckily knock on wood but you know that that game you know
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even though I've chosen the losses part one, that game
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still, I think about that game a lot and I've said to you a few
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times I will go back and play that game.
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I just don't know when I've got it in me to do so, you know, I'm
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quite I'm starting to come around to playing that again,
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now, Mmm, Yeah, the thought of playing that again is I don't
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know if it's exciting but yeah, I'm starting to want to again so
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that was the third person shooter genre.
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Next is You pick something a bit smaller.
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I know you don't know what's in each genre, but puzzle.
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Yeah, let's do puzzle. Puzzles.
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Quite good. Quite a good selection.
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I think. So it's could be interesting.
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So if you probably got Tetris in here Pat man, yep braid.
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Yep, portal. Yep.
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Coming by the others, hit me. Portal 2.
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Yep. World of Goo, right?
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You remember that game that we played such a long time ago.
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Yeah, very vaguely phone in. Yeah, that was an early one.
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I hated that game was crap. Is that all of them?
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That's it Portal. 2, followed runner-up Portal 1.
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I've said in the Portal 2 episode and I said it in a few
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episodes before. We touch that game, that Portal
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2 is in my top 5 video games of all time.
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I think it's The the YouTube channel Nerd Cubed described
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portal a portal to a, can't remember which one it was as the
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perfect game. And I don't think I'd ever I'd
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go that far, but it is damn near close to being perfect.
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In my opinion, it's fantastic. The humor is very British and
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very on the nose and it just works.
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And it's yeah, fantastic. So portal to runner-up portal.
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What do you think? I also go for Portal 2.
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Yeah, but my runner-up is different purely for variety's
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sake. We've got one definitive Portal
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game which is Portal 2 and I would go for braid as my
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runner-up. I was really.
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Yeah. You like bread, didn't you?
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Yeah. I was really pleasantly
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surprised by Braden and the conundrums in that game I didn't
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look at any guys for that. So the conundrums in that game
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will really, I don't think I did.
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Anyway, some of them really stumped me so I was I was
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playing around for Age. And then you've got the reveal
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at the end, and it's just a nice little game, isn't it?
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Yeah, I enjoyed prayed. It was a pleasant surprise.
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Just wanted to pay on switch. I remember we played on.
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Yeah, Xbox. He Yeah, fair enough.
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Yeah, not really much more to say.
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Portal 2. I don't think it's perfect just
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because it still runs on that old Half-Life 2 engine and
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therefore some of the movement and that is not as smooth as it
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could be. But yeah in terms of the puzzles
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is so delightful, isn't it? Yeah it is fantastic.
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That the presentation, the area's, you go to in this game
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as you say, the voice acting the comedy.
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Yes it's a very nice little game.
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Okay, next we're going to go. Four.
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We're going to go for a genre. As you know, we're gonna go for
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the adventure. Genre, what do you think is
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going to be? There are three games in this
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genre. This one's a bit trickier.
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Yeah, I honestly don't know because you could say that
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there's Elder games are in this thing.
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But if there are only 3 then, no I'm not sure.
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I was trying to wrap my brain about our and you mentioned it
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earlier at the start. So now I don't know what.
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We got three games. Well there's only there's only
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one pure Adventure game in their brilliant.
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Okay. It's enough to warrant in the
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genre because it is, The purest of pure Adventure game.
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Okay? Again that we played very early.
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Grim Fandango? Yeah.
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Okay. See that that that's one that
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I'd struggle to put into a category but I can see why it is
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an adventure game so I think lik.
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Yeah, point-and-click Adventure. Yeah.
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Yeah. So Grim Fandango.
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So that's that's one the second one doesn't fit neatly in any
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genre. And actually it's a game that we
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played as part of the latest election which I've included
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just because it could be bothered to take it out, really
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this girl easy. Yeah.
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I put disc only gym in there because it doesn't fit nicely
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unless I put narrative. Yeah, venture or something.
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And the last one is not, it's not an adventure game but really
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fuck. I know it's put it so I put it
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in there which is another game that we played very recently,
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which really should go walking simulator.
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What do you think that is? I can't remember.
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But help Stanley Parable. Of course, I've just looked Grim
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Fandango. We said that was an early game
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as game that we ever we ever did.
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And that came out in the 23rd of February twenty twenty.
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So that was before even lockdown.
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We were born, wasn't it? That was before.
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I was born, I remember that very vividly.
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I remember playing through that game because my auntie was quite
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unwell at the time, and I remember throwing mine on to,
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and fro to go and see her. So I vividly remember playing
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Grim Fandango, and I quite enjoyed it.
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I mean it was very obtuse sometimes and not very obvious
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and juices. We did after use a guide a few
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times throughout a lot, but at the same time, I really like the
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world and the vibe that game built, you know, isn't something
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that was really seen since Stanley Parable as well.
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I know it became though. Yeah, 100%.
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Stanley, Parable, I really enjoyed.
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I thought was good. I think I enjoyed Stanley
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Parable a lot more than you did. Not that you didn't enjoy it.
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I know that you picked up a bit of fun from it, but I put quite
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a bit of time into that game and thought was for, it was great.
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But yeah, disco Elysium wins. I was excited that we're going
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to get to cover disco Elysium because I played it before we
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covered it. And I remember saying to you
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that you need to play it but I think that the Atmosphere that
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game pushes up the, the World building the characterization.
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The writing is all just superb, and I'd probably put this girl
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easy and I've been my top 10 games of all time, I think so.
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Yeah, this girl he's in Windsor and the runner will probably be
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the Stanley. Parable, Interesting to see
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where you're going to go with this.
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Well, you sign, yeah, but I'm putting Grim Fandango in second
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place. Okay?
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Yeah, fair enough, I think you're right when we, when we
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play Grim Fandango, I think it was probably too early on and I
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think we would have given it a bit more leeway.
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If we'd have played a bit later, maybe because we kind of got
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into a bit of a Groove with the games and also we kind of got to
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know the quality of some of the games.
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And that game is unique that game does a lot, right?
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Visuals, soundtrack Voice work, just the stylings, and the
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atmosphere, and the story. But the voice acting and I games
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superb. Yeah.
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It's just that some of the, the, the puzzles are ridiculous.
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Yeah. Ludicrous.
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But some were. All right, well, when we
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uploaded that that was that was a completely different life when
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we were uploading the episodes on to on to your YouTube channel
25:34
but also the start of each episode back, then I'd edit them
25:38
in a way that they'd always be a bit dialogue from the game or
25:40
the You know, the thing that it was related to at the start and
25:44
if you just want to get a feel for just like how good the voice
25:47
acting is in Grim Fandango, just go back and listen.
25:49
It's the second episode on our entire list, but just go back
25:54
and listen to the first 30 seconds of the episode from the
25:56
beginning. Because I think I put a piece of
25:59
dialogue in there from where money meets I can remember the
26:02
woman about lady face. Yeah, lady face, mrs.
26:07
Blobby about Really good. So yeah, I think I can
26:16
understand you putting that as a runner-up.
26:18
Where do you wanna go next platform?
26:22
Okay, I've won games. I've I'm guessing majority.
26:26
The Mario games are going to be in here, but there is also one
26:29
that I think will win this for me.
26:32
Bob interests here. What you put in here?
26:35
Yeah, I think I know what. So before you speak before?
26:38
So first, I'll read off the names.
26:40
Yep. And then, I'm going to guess
26:42
what you're going to go for? Yep.
26:46
Okay platforms. Super Mario Galaxy yep.
26:50
Super Mario, Galaxy 2, Super Mario Odyssey, LittleBigPlanet.
26:55
Remember that game. I do vaguely Super Mario Advance
27:01
for Super Mario. Bros 3, nice long title.
27:05
Super Mario 64 Ori and the will-o'-the-wisps Super Mario,
27:11
3D World. And finally, the curveball
27:15
Celeste. Okay.
27:17
And what do you think? I'm going to go for.
27:21
But it's between Mario 3D World and Celeste.
27:28
I think you're going to go for 3D world but I think Celeste
27:31
will be a runner-up. Know, it be Celeste that.
27:35
It's devilishly hard games too, wasn't it?
27:38
Sorry. It was down to those two, wasn't
27:40
it? Yeah, I'd say so, you know, I
27:45
don't think anyone surprised. I'm not going to make Mario 64.
27:48
My number one in this category. Everyone will be shocked.
27:52
If you're a betting person, you've lost money on that, I
27:55
imagined, but no Celeste. It is frustrating game.
28:00
It was hard, but we've done 100 and 110 episodes now.
28:07
And we've done 99 of the original 100 games, as well as
28:10
additionals. And I've all those episodes,
28:12
there are games, I've really enjoyed talking about, but I
28:14
think Celeste is one of my favorite episodes that we've
28:17
done? I think, because we touched on
28:20
quite a lot of things that we don't normally talk about and,
28:24
you know, Celeste is so heavily linked with With mental health.
28:30
And, you know, being open and talking about these things is
28:34
something that I'm quite passionate about and I really
28:37
liked, we're talking about that game took us because like I say,
28:41
it isn't something that would really spoken about before, but
28:46
just because we had a good conversation about it doesn't
28:48
mean that's the reason that it's on, you know, my number one in
28:51
this category. I think this is a very tight
28:54
game. I think that's a very fair game.
28:56
It's a hard game, but I think the writing He's very good.
29:00
The themes are very good and also what you walk away with at
29:04
the end of it, like really making you think was good.
29:08
So yeah, Celeste winds up for me and then 3D World.
29:11
Mario is my runner-up, just because I think that's the best
29:16
Mario game that we've played followed followed closely by
29:20
Odyssey. I liked Odyssey, but yeah. 3D
29:22
World clinches the runner-up position for me.
29:24
What do you have to say? What do you think I'm going to
29:28
say, maybe Mario Galaxy. Or 64.
29:38
So, I think I've made it. No secret that.
29:43
I'm not as big a fan of the Mario games as I am of the Zelda
29:47
game. Yeah. so, My winner is also
29:52
Celeste. Okay, I played Celeste before
29:55
and I remember very clearly the first time I played it, played
30:00
it in Vietnam. I'm so some of the rave reviews
30:02
still feel like they games a bit underrated.
30:05
Yeah. Because not many people talk
30:08
about it now. No it's a special game and It
30:13
plays really well, that the challenge is just right.
30:18
The way that the story and the challenge of the game lineup is
30:25
just perfect, the art Style, the music.
30:32
Just yeah, it's a quite a, quite an experience.
30:36
And There are very few games that I'm referring again to
30:41
this, this idea that everything lines up.
30:44
You've got that the quite literally.
30:48
Celeste is climbing a mountain, you've got the challenge which
30:52
is ramping up. You've got the fact that she in
30:56
her own life is trying to overcome her mental health.
31:02
Her anxiety, isn't it? Yeah.
31:06
Everything just ramps up perfectly and it's just a
31:11
specialist will game. My runner-up is a Mario game.
31:15
It would be Mario Galaxy. Yep, but yeah.
31:20
I think it's purely because I'm not necessarily saying it's
31:25
objectively better than other Mario games because it's just
31:29
your favorite. Like yeah.
31:31
I don't know if I could make that argument but yeah it's the
31:33
one that touched me most deeply in the same way that I think it
31:36
did for you. Yeah.
31:38
I liked Galaxy. It was Oh, What Celeste?
31:42
Yes. Yeah. 100% I put I always put
31:46
Celeste very close to what remains of Edith Finch for some
31:49
reason. It up totally different genres
31:51
of game, but what amazes me to think, I kind of holding the
31:56
similar regard to Celeste, you know?
31:59
Yeah that that game I didn't didn't Vibe with it me as much
32:02
but yeah so you finish it? Yeah missed it.
32:07
Maybe we'll talk about that game one day.
32:10
Yeah, I think I've Heard lots of things about what remains of
32:15
Edith. Maybe maybe a bit like Bioshock
32:17
for you. It had lots of things about it
32:19
before I played it, you're expecting it to be more than
32:22
what it was. Yeah.
32:25
I went in and it's not a bad game.
32:28
I didn't dislike it but it I read some things that I read
32:33
some articles by people that that really it really resonated
32:37
with them, it just didn't resonate with me to the.
32:39
Yeah, that's fair. Enough.
32:42
Okay, I'm going to pick the next strategy.
32:46
I just gave that what you're gonna do?
32:48
You're gonna make the next strategy Choice strategy.
32:53
Okay, so what we got in here, we've got six games.
32:59
Okay. Company of Heroes.
33:03
Yeah. That's one star.
33:06
Whatever it was called Starcraft Starcraft.
33:12
I can't I can't think the other ones.
33:16
Sid Meier's Civilization, of course Sid Meier's Civilization
33:20
for your favorite game ever Dwarf Fortress?
33:23
Yeah, love that. And this one, I don't really
33:28
know where it goes. But I think there are elements
33:31
of strategy in there, but it doesn't fit neatly into a genre.
33:34
So I put it here, Minecraft. I did put Minecraft in sandbox.
33:41
It's not quite the same as the other games, in the sample, Jean
33:43
well-known. And and and these are the rules
33:45
in. This is the list.
33:46
So we will abide by, you'll see when we come to the sandbox
33:49
genre there. There's a there's a yeah line
33:51
through them okay. I'd say Minecraft wins it
33:56
followed by Company of Heroes. I thought I really like Company
34:01
of Heroes compared to the other games that we did in this genre.
34:05
I don't think I'll play a load of it but I played enough to
34:08
Have an opinion and that game stood out from the others.
34:11
Like, I didn't really Vibe with Starcraft and Dwarf Fortress was
34:14
a bit, so that would be my, but, yeah, Minecraft is Minecraft,
34:19
isn't it? And I think that if I was maybe
34:23
born, 15 years later than 1991, Minecraft will probably have
34:29
controlled my life in some way for quite a long time.
34:33
I'm just not really the right age for Minecraft, but it is
34:36
fantastic. And openness in that the The I
34:42
don't know the scale of it is just it's endless, isn't it?
34:45
So yeah I'd say Minecraft wins it and I don't think our episode
34:49
of Minecraft we really did it justice as to how big that game
34:51
is. But yeah that was a redo
34:55
episode. That was a game that was an
34:57
episode. That Pierre.
34:58
Is that we get a few here and there that you don't feel like
35:01
you've done Justice. Yeah.
35:03
What yours. I'm going to Echo what you said.
35:08
I don't really have much interest in this genre, but I
35:11
did enjoy Company of Heroes and I I put more time into
35:16
Minecraft. And then I have any of these
35:18
other games on the strategy at least I know it's not purely
35:22
strategy. It's sort of a construction
35:27
seemed in a way, isn't it? And yeah, that was the element
35:30
that I really enjoyed just building stuff and maybe if I
35:35
was younger I would have carried on with that.
35:37
But yeah, I just got to the point where I thought I'm just
35:40
spending too long building this thing now.
35:42
So I'm going to stop playing understandable.
35:45
Yeah. Yeah, I don't really have much
35:48
more to say about strategy to be honest.
35:50
Far enough Minecraft wins. All right so you're pick next
35:57
and go racing. Okay so in the racing genre, we
36:05
have Gran Turismo. Gran Turismo 3.
36:11
A spec burnouts 3, take down. I've again, I mean there is a
36:17
racing. You do racing in that game, but
36:19
it's also. Yeah, she simulator and Gran
36:23
Turismo 2. Probably take down most fun
36:28
because there's, you know, a lot of different gameplay things
36:32
that you can do with it. I think I can't this wasn't an
36:36
earlier early game but it was, you know, it was relatively
36:40
early on and I think like the first 25 issue.
36:43
Yeah, I think I struggled to play this on my PS2.
36:47
Yea, if memory serves me, but know that is a fun game and the
36:50
only reason I choose that over the GT games is just because
36:54
Gran Turismo is Gran Turismo. It's just a driving a racing
36:57
game wearers takedown had a bit more about it, which I enjoyed a
37:01
bit more. So runner-up will probably be
37:03
Gran Turismo 3, but takedown would win it for me.
37:08
What do you think? Yeah, it's an easy win for me.
37:11
I really like burnout three takedown.
37:14
I've got fond memories of playing it at the time, and I
37:17
really enjoyed playing it again. I was doing all the crash events
37:22
and that was load of fun and I even considered buying Burnout
37:26
Revenge, which was the successors of burnout.
37:29
Three take down. Yeah, I really like this game
37:31
and To me, it's a bit of a no-brainer terms of Gran Turismo
37:36
games. I because we have three of them
37:40
on the list and every time we got to the next one, I thought.
37:42
Well maybe this is the one that's going to grab me and it
37:45
never did. Yeah, so the only Gran Turismo
37:47
game that's grabbed me. I mentioned this a few times
37:50
over the course of the Gran Turismo.
37:51
Episodes is Gran Turismo 5 prologue.
37:56
That's the only Gran Turismo game of got into.
37:58
And None of these got me. So yeah easy.
38:03
We've been up three followed by Gran Turismo as the runner-up.
38:06
Yeah, honestly, sorry, yeah. All right, next Let's go to
38:14
sandbox. Let's what's going to be inside
38:17
box? I don't know.
38:18
I've got literally no idea what you want to put in here, so I'm
38:21
intrigued. Sandbox is your rock star
38:26
category for Isaac Lee. So every single thing in this
38:30
category is Rockstar probably, okay.
38:34
Which, I mean, I suppose it's a problem right there, really?
38:38
But the Rockstar genre, it is basically Grand Theft Auto, 4,
38:45
Red Dead. Redemption to Grand Theft Auto 5
38:49
Grand Theft. Auto 3, Grand Theft Auto San
38:52
Andreas Grand Theft Auto Vice City.
38:54
It's the next one going to be Grand Theft Auto Red Dead
38:57
Redemption. Ah, Grand Theft Auto Chinatown
39:00
Wars. Well, to be honest with you,
39:05
when you said rockstar, I immediately thought of Grand
39:06
Theft Auto but I'd forgotten Red Dead Redemption.
39:10
So when you said red dead, then I was oh yeah.
39:12
Obviously there's only going to be red dead in there so I
39:15
thought well it's got to have some competition.
39:17
Yeah, pretty easy choice for me Red.
39:21
Dead Redemption, two wins and funnily enough.
39:25
I've been watching a load of read Dead 2 videos over the past
39:28
kind of week and I'm really, really Keen to Play It Again.
39:32
That was that was one of our longer episodes that was one of
39:35
our longest. I think that we've ever done was
39:38
the longest apart from the golden ranking episodes.
39:41
I really because we we did two parts.
39:45
Yeah, we split into two gold and I was about an hour and 40 an
39:49
hour and fifty something like that.
39:51
I'm going to look it up. Actually, why you speak in a
39:52
minute? How long old?
39:53
And I was, but yeah, read Dead 2, so good like it's cursed by
40:00
its own. You know, realism in Parts, I
40:05
think, but the, the story of Arthur Morgan and his journey
40:10
and his transition as a character after again.
40:15
Spoilers After he finds out, he's got tuberculosis.
40:19
And if you're playing the game, as the narration wants you to
40:22
play it, him trying to become a better man.
40:24
Before he before he dies is just fantastic.
40:28
The open worlds, amazing. The amount of stuff you can do
40:31
in that game. Is fantastic, and it looks
40:33
beautiful as well. This is the 2018 games that
40:35
still looks fantastic by today's standards.
40:39
So Red Dead, Redemption to is an easy winner for me, followed
40:43
probably, because this is just our opinion and not trying to be
40:47
subjects. Objective subjective is, and now
40:52
it's not trying to sound Wars funnily enough, but I imagine
40:55
that will probably be your favorite.
40:58
It's Vice City just because I love that game.
41:01
It's The one that I think about most when I think about Grand
41:04
Theft Auto follow closely after that by maybe GTA 3 but not
41:09
because I like GTA 3 just because Nostalgia but yeah read
41:13
Dead 2 and then Vice City. What about you?
41:19
As I said, this is a favorites list rather than a grading this.
41:22
So I'm going for my favorite of those games which is San
41:25
Andreas. Mmm, and I would put read Dead 2
41:29
into as a runner-up. But yeah, I mean, there is
41:33
nostalgia in there. I also think, if you take away
41:37
some of the clunky control elements of San Andreas, which
41:39
are definitely there, the atmosphere, and the moments that
41:43
you can have in that game. I still pretty special I
41:46
described driving along in the countryside with the rain
41:51
beating down, and then the radio playing, and it's still awesome.
41:57
So yeah. Yeah, that's fair enough.
42:00
Yeah, that's my choice. I think us our to be on rock
42:02
stars to be honest in recent probably 5 10 years.
42:08
Yeah, I get that it that that their game design become very
42:11
say me. So I'll be interested to see
42:12
what they do. A GTA 6 and obviously they
42:16
haven't released a GTA since 2013, 2012 2013.
42:20
Yeah. GoldenEye was an hour, 43
42:24
minutes and Red Dead Redemption. 2002 out was the first part was
42:31
54 minutes and the second part was an hour and nine minutes.
42:36
So yeah, that's our longest episode that game one.
42:40
I think it's funny though, because it feels like GoldenEye
42:43
was a much longer episode because we talked about that one
42:45
quite in depth, but yes, we were also running the gamut of a bond
42:49
stuff as well, which was fun. I enjoyed the golden episode.
42:53
Yeah, I've been playing that again, recently, on Game Pass.
42:56
Have you? Yes, it's on Game Pass on Xbox.
42:59
Yeah, it's on the Nintendo's online service as well which is
43:04
that they've done something weird with that because I think
43:07
it's that you can only play online on a switch and on Xbox.
43:11
You can play split screen but you can't pay online which makes
43:14
no sense to me other than companies doing Yeah, I didn't
43:18
quite get that. But alas onwards, we go.
43:24
All right, so what we've got left are action adventure.
43:31
Action. First person shooter.
43:35
Fighting stealth. Japanese role-playing.
43:41
Race are no dumb racing extreme sports.
43:45
That's that's the categories we've got left.
43:46
What's your next pick FPS? Okay, so the big one.
43:51
Okay. So we've got let me count how
43:56
many games you got here, quite a few 15 games in here.
44:00
Okay, interesting, what I mean, we'll have all the Cod games and
44:03
stuff and everywhere else we got.
44:05
We've got perfect Arc. Next game is an FPS, but it
44:12
doesn't quite fit with the other ones which is Metroid Prime.
44:16
Halo Combat Evolved, Half-Life 2 Bioshock.
44:22
Again, it's more of an immersive.
44:24
The it's yeah yes GoldenEye 007 Team Fortress 2 again more of a
44:33
multiplayer but it's done. Yes, yes.
44:36
I have a most pleasure on ra, Half-Life Halo 2.
44:42
Bioshock infinite's Call of Duty.
44:45
Modern Warfare 2. Call of Duty. 4, Modern Warfare.
44:49
Quake Halo 3 and Unreal Tournament 2004.
44:55
Yeah, is a lot of games. I think your answer is going to
44:58
be quite vastly different from mine.
45:00
My number one is Modern Warfare 2, just because I spent so many
45:06
hours of my mid to late teens playing that game with friends
45:09
and playing online you know is etched into my brain as I think
45:14
as as any kind of gamer our age would say And plus, I really, I
45:21
think the story and that games really decent as well and the
45:24
maps and yeah, Modern Warfare 2 is our classic and I would say
45:28
that would be having a runner-up of between GoldenEye and Halo 3,
45:36
but I'd probably have to say gold and I really enjoyed
45:39
playing Halo 3. And I really enjoyed the
45:40
multiplayer stuff that we did with that.
45:43
Which is kind of pushed me to be like, yeah, that could be it.
45:45
But now I think it would be cold and I just because of the amount
45:49
of I played that game as a kid and how good it still is now.
45:54
So yeah, Modern Warfare 2 and GoldenEye.
45:57
This is a hard one, I think you're going to say BioShock.
46:02
I'm not because it's not my favorite BioShock game.
46:05
Okay, BioShock 2 is my Bioshock. Favorite BioShock game, I like
46:08
Bioshock, but there's a lot of good stuff in here.
46:14
I don't know if I really Expressed how much I like this
46:19
game in the episode. I don't really remember the
46:21
episode that well which is a bit odd but I remember playing it
46:24
again recently so I think I'm going to go for Perfect Dark,
46:28
huh? The reason being it's like
46:33
GoldenEye but better house better.
46:35
Yeah. Yeah, it likes the bond license
46:39
but it's also Prime rare. It's that Golden Era.
46:45
They're also first-person shooters of a style that you
46:49
don't get any. Yes, definitely.
46:53
I can't remember how many times I've mentioned this juggling
46:55
mechanic that you have in gold and I way you shoot an enemy and
46:58
you stagger them and then you can shoot another enemy and your
47:02
stagger them and you can go back to the first and I mean, shoot
47:04
them. And this kind of juggling that
47:06
you do is strategic and you don't really see that very often
47:11
in Shooters and I really like that.
47:14
Yeah, I'm a big fan of perfect Arc, and I think the
47:18
refinements. They're made to the story and
47:22
the two player co-op and the multiplayer with Bots.
47:26
Just some really good improvements.
47:28
As for number two, I think I'm going to go from Modern Warfare
47:32
2. I had a great time playing that.
47:35
When it first came out, I mentioned how fond I was of that
47:38
game as well. The spec ops mode.
47:41
Yeah, single-player and multiplayer, I That's been
47:45
countless hours in that game. So yeah, for that reason alone.
47:48
I think it's number two as as the runner-up.
47:50
Yeah. I feel that I feel that.
47:55
GoldenEye would be number three. Yeah, of course.
47:58
I'm gonna go for Fighting your favorite genre.
48:03
Yeah, what's in our fighting genre?
48:06
We've got seven games, Tekken 3 Virtua Fighter for the street
48:14
fighter games. I can't remember what numbers
48:16
they are to Street Fighter. Alpha 3 and Street Fighter 4
48:19
Soul. Calibur, Yep.
48:24
Smash Brothers. I went streeters.
48:28
Street fights are gross, street fights for twice and I have done
48:30
that. Yeah, and I try did Chuck Smash
48:33
Bros in there because Smash Bros brawl because It doesn't it's
48:39
not it's a they call it like a platform fighter.
48:42
Yeah but it is a fighter yeah it's not an arcade fighter like
48:46
the others but it's a fighter now.
48:47
It's not like the other. It's not it's not an arena
48:49
fighting no way. So yeah where are you going with
48:55
this one? Virtua Fighter 4.
48:58
As my number one I mentioned in an episode and I mentioned it
49:01
numerous times at Virtua Fighter 4 was the game that I got with
49:03
my PS2 when I got it in like I don't know.
49:07
And to whenever it was and for a long time that was the only game
49:12
I had. So I played it quite a lot and
49:15
was blown away by the graphics of it compared to what the PS1
49:18
can do. So that takes it mostly from the
49:22
style just point of view I think and from childhood and then
49:26
probably followed by Smash Bros. I think I mentioned in that
49:30
episode that the Smash Bros brawl wasn't really a game.
49:33
I was that familiar with growing up.
49:36
I play quite a lot of The GameCube Smash Bros melee but
49:40
Smash Bros it Smash Bros, isn't it?
49:42
So it's always a good laugh but yeah, Virtua Fighter 4 and then,
49:46
Smash Brothers. What about you?
49:49
I'm going for Soulcalibur is number one.
49:52
I really enjoyed. I didn't complete it by any
49:55
means, but I really enjoyed it that game and it's a game that I
49:58
probably go back to and I'd follow that out with as a
50:02
runner-up, Super Smash Bros brawl, not a lot of these
50:06
fighting games did much. For me, but those two were
50:08
enjoyable. Yeah, that's what I've got to
50:11
say about that. Yeah, that's all I got to say
50:14
about that. That's my Forrest Gump,
50:17
impression. I hope you enjoyed it.
50:19
I'm going to take over now with picking the categories just as
50:21
we ramp up. Yeah, that's fine.
50:24
So we're going to go next to extreme sports.
50:29
Okay. What do you think we've got in
50:32
here? The pro skater games?
50:34
SSX. Yep, jet grind radio.
50:40
Yes, that's it. So we've got Tony Hawk's Pro,
50:43
Skater 2, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3, Tony, Hawk's Pro Skater, 4,
50:48
jet grind, radio and SSX. So where are you going Pro
50:53
Skater? 3 wins?
50:56
That's the game. I played the most obvious, a
50:58
teenager I loved the music and Okay.
51:00
My love the maps I did kind of screw myself over when we came
51:05
to doing it for the podcast because although I played it on
51:09
the PS2 load when I was a teenager for some reason when we
51:12
reviewed it. Well talked about it for this
51:14
list. I played on the PS1 which was
51:17
not a good shout, but we live and learn be a Pro Skater 3 wins
51:22
that for me, probably followed by Pro Skater 2 and particularly
51:28
playing pro skater through. Pro Skater through Pro Skater 2
51:33
on the re the Remake that was it was dark.
51:37
Yeah there. Yeah, we're really good.
51:41
So yeah. Pro Skater, 3 and Pro Skater 2.
51:43
What about you? I think you're going to say SSX
51:45
as one of them? No.
51:48
Well, I was wrong. Well, I liked SSX, I liked jet
51:53
grind radio but was quite frustrating.
51:55
I like all of these games. Unlike the other sports, genre
51:59
this one. I can always get behind extreme
52:02
sports because are always a bit wacky right there, always a bit
52:04
more arcadey. But yeah.
52:07
Number 3, followed by number two, had a great time with both
52:10
of them replaying them got. Nostalgia for them.
52:13
Great soundtracks, just fun to play Tony Hawk's Pro.
52:18
Skater 4 was a bit of a disappointment because it
52:20
changed some of the stuff that I really liked about three and
52:22
two. Yeah, yeah.
52:25
So I've got say about it really. Yes.
52:27
I mean, some of these genres are a bit that they're not nothing
52:29
genres but stuff That we don't have as much to talk about, you
52:32
know. Yeah.
52:33
And it doesn't it doesn't really fit in the sports genre.
52:36
No, because they're not Sports really but yeah well that they
52:40
are. But yeah I mean all right, onto
52:44
our action, genre So, we've got five games here, all fairly
52:53
similar, but they could have also gone in other genres to the
52:57
Zelda game. No, I'll name the first one and
53:01
see if you can get the other ones from that Devil May Cry.
53:08
I don't know. Devil May Cry.
53:11
No, tell me. So we've also got Ninja Gaiden,
53:16
black, of course. The original God of War.
53:20
Yep, Hades because Hades, I suppose I could have put in RPG
53:25
but no. Hey, this is a roguelike but
53:27
it's the only Road like, yeah. But listen necklace.
53:30
The only. Yeah, so yeah, I stuck it here
53:34
instead because the action genre thought, well, it's sort of an
53:37
actual. Yeah.
53:39
God of Auto that says there that they're what's on the action
53:43
list five games. What was the first one you said?
53:45
Okay. Yeah, DMC and Ninja Gaiden.
53:50
Hades would probably win it for me.
53:52
I thought Hades was pretty good lied.
53:57
It's a very good looking game. It functions really well.
54:00
The characters are really cool. Yeah, like Hades was good time
54:05
hard and I didn't complete it, but it was, it was a good time.
54:10
Hey, these winds that and I guess the first God of War would
54:16
probably be the runner-up for me.
54:19
To be honest, all the games that you've listed in this category
54:21
other than Hades not for you know not really like I really
54:26
didn't enjoy DMC or Ninja Gaiden off that.
54:30
No funnily enough. No but yeah Hades and then God
54:35
of War one, what about you? I think you're going to say got
54:37
a war to I think you're going to say Ninja Gaiden black.
54:41
Correct. What?
54:42
All the God of War 2 wins and Ninja Gaiden to run up?
54:48
Yeah, correct. Yes.
54:50
I really like God of War 2 and and there's so we've got the
54:54
other God of War games come based in a different genre.
54:57
And I think that's right. Really.
54:58
Because did mention any episodes, these games are quite
55:01
different from the new ones. So I thought they fit more
55:07
nicely. Yeah, in this genre, they're
55:08
quite close to Devil May Cry. Without the combos.
55:13
Although I remember that any other don't think they have got
55:16
that, they do have combos wrong, so do have combos.
55:20
But yeah, there's something they don't have but yeah, I don't
55:25
have the ranking at the end. I think that's what this one.
55:27
I mean I have the ranking at the end of the chapters.
55:30
Yeah. So I really like a lot of water.
55:34
I think the set pieces in that game are amazing.
55:38
The crosses of Roads, the four horses Has of the Four Horsemen
55:43
ship thing. Yes, that one that was good and
55:48
I don't really like Ninja Gaiden black as well as challenging
55:51
game. But once he gets his claws in
55:55
you, I think it's really quite enjoyable.
55:57
It mostly did my head in. Yes.
56:01
But I can understand why you'd put it there.
56:03
Wait, wait. Have it's all right.
56:07
And it's quite unique as well. Yeah, it is and and everything
56:11
else. So Yes.
56:14
All right, we have left Japanese role-playing games, stealth
56:19
games and action adventure. If we're not done Western RPGs,
56:25
Yeah, we did them. Did it early on Mass Effect?
56:29
Of course of course, of course? Yeah, yeah, go on.
56:35
We're gonna do. Japanese role-playing game.
56:39
Yeah, got four of them. What are they going to be?
56:42
I can think of three Persona 4, Golden Persona 5 Royal and Final
56:46
Fantasy 9. I can't think about what the
56:48
fourth is. Chrono Cross, of course.
56:54
I mean this would be a hard one for me because I really like
56:57
Final Fantasy 9 and coming into it.
56:59
The three Final Fantasy games that came out on the PS1 at the
57:03
time Final Fantasy 7, 8 9 i-i've, got a lot of love for
57:07
all three of them but obviously, because I talked about it quite
57:13
often the we play the game that kind of stole it for me which
57:19
was Persona 5, Royal, and I've got a hankering to play that
57:22
again now as well. But I don't think I've got the
57:24
time to put into another playthrough because it will take
57:27
my entire life. So I would say Persona 5 Royal
57:31
wins out in this category for me, followed by Final Fantasy 9.
57:34
As much as I enjoyed Persona 4 Golden, I thought it was decent.
57:38
Yeah. Final Fantasy, 9 hits the runner
57:41
up position and very similar to how I recorded the Last of Us.
57:45
Part 2. I think when we recorded Final
57:48
Fantasy 9, if I thought you'd finished it like the morning
57:50
that we record, it didn't you. I finished it about half an
57:53
hour. Yeah, I remember you're a
57:56
bitter. You're a bit Final Fantasy doubt
57:57
with you. I was completely after that
58:00
game. Yeah.
58:01
And I don't think it landed well, partly, because of that
58:04
partly. Because I don't know something
58:07
about that game. Just just, I didn't didn't
58:08
didn't kick with me. So for me, the only games are
58:14
really clicked with me out of these four are five percent five
58:17
and Center for. I would say Persona 5 is the
58:21
better game. I think sign up for does do some
58:26
things better as we discussed very recently in the episode but
58:30
I think Persona 5 edges it for me.
58:32
Yeah, so yeah, five them for bloody lovely.
58:36
If you want to hear more of our thoughts on Persona, go and
58:38
listen to that episode, quite those episodes.
58:42
Yes, those episodes correct. Maybe we'll go to a Persona 3 at
58:46
some point. Maybe I think I doing a remaster
58:48
of it's a remake of a remake that.
58:51
Yeah. So yeah maybe it will appear
58:54
perhaps. The stealth genre.
58:58
Now the reason I'm going to this one next is because there's only
59:01
two franchises Representatives blind seller.
59:04
Metal Gear, right? Yeah.
59:07
So what we've got is Metal Gear, Solid 2, Sons of Liberty, Metal
59:13
Gear Solid 5, the phantom pain, Metal Gear Solid, Tom Clancy's
59:18
Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, Metal Gear, Solid 3 subsistence
59:23
Metal Gear Solid, 4, guns of the Patriots and Fancy a spin to
59:27
sell Pandora, tomorrow. We mentioned earlier that we
59:35
sometimes go into episodes and we feel that we haven't done a
59:38
good job, talking about certain games.
59:41
And I think that we both were in fact, I think we mentioned it on
59:43
the very next episode. No.
59:46
Because we did mgs3 and then we took a break didn't win.
59:48
Then we came back immediately with mgs4 just one.
59:52
Oh, yeah, yeah. And I remember saying, at the
59:55
time, I think we mentioned it on.
59:56
Mgs4 episode that we really wanted to do mgs3 justice, but
1:00:00
we don't feel like we did sometimes when you record you
1:00:04
could you kind of missed the mark a little bit and we walk
1:00:05
away feeling like that. Wasn't a particularly great
1:00:08
episode and I think we both felt that when we talked about mgs3,
1:00:12
which is a shame. Because yeah, mgs3 is a favorite
1:00:15
game for both of us. So our of these games would say
1:00:20
mgs3 probably takes the top position for me.
1:00:24
Just because I think Metal Gear Solid 3 is a Fantastic game.
1:00:27
I'm very cautious about this remake that Konami are doing and
1:00:33
I'm, yeah, I'm not sure about it, but yeah, mgs3 brilliant
1:00:38
game. So good.
1:00:40
Again, in my top 10 and the runner-up would be Metal Gear
1:00:44
Solid 1, just because a is a great game, good story.
1:00:50
And there's just something. So, nostalgic about that game
1:00:52
for me. I think I mentioned it in the
1:00:54
episode. I remember, you know, when I was
1:00:56
young Walking with my dad him having a PlayStation magazine.
1:00:59
And saying, oh, we can play the demo of this new game, Metal
1:01:01
Gear Solid, which was just the docks at the start.
1:01:05
But yeah, that game is it's got a very special place in my
1:01:08
heart. So top position number three,
1:01:11
runner-up position, the original Metal Gear Solid.
1:01:14
What about you? Yeah, I'm just three is going
1:01:17
top. I think I know what your run is
1:01:19
going to be as well. Well, I was thinking about the
1:01:22
runner-up because objectively I think mgs1 is this second best
1:01:27
but if you askme, which game, I'd want to play Tomorrow based
1:01:31
on the recent playthrough that we had and how much I enjoyed it
1:01:35
was it would be mgs4, okay, and Chaos theories up there as well.
1:01:43
But Yeah, games I have a hankering to play right now in
1:01:49
the mood that I mean it will be three of them for.
1:01:52
Yeah. So yeah, I had to think about
1:01:56
that one a bit though. Mmm.
1:01:59
Yeah, you've got a lot of love from just for as well.
1:02:02
And I do which is so yeah, that doesn't surprise me too much.
1:02:07
Yeah. And and You talked about the
1:02:11
mgs3 episode. I don't really remember it that
1:02:13
well, which kind of suggests that maybe we didn't do it
1:02:16
justice, but Mgs4. I was really quite happy with
1:02:20
the episode that we put out on that one.
1:02:21
Yeah, I think that was a good episode.
1:02:24
Yeah, that was a good one. And I remember that one quite
1:02:26
fondly, that that whole period and sometimes it's tied to the
1:02:30
period in your life when you're playing it.
1:02:31
I just had a lot of time to play mgs4 and I just play through
1:02:35
slowly and it just enjoyed it and that kicks off the latter 50
1:02:38
of our list, as well. I'm just forehead it did.
1:02:40
So we had a bit of a break before hand in way.
1:02:44
All right, so, onto our not our biggest genre because that the
1:02:49
first person shooters were but onto the action-adventure.
1:02:54
Genre probably the broadest genre in a way Zelda's in here.
1:02:58
Zoda is in here, but we've also got some other.
1:03:01
Yeah, entries in there as well. Where to start with this Ocarina
1:03:08
of Time, breath of the wild Batman Arkham City.
1:03:14
Wow, Twilight. Princess, you forgot about that
1:03:17
guy. Yeah, dude, that was early one
1:03:18
as well. The Wind Waker.
1:03:24
The original Legend of Zelda. Actually, you're number one,
1:03:28
Zelda 2, The Adventure of Link. A Link to the Past Majora's
1:03:34
Mask, and God of War. Do you think that there's a
1:03:39
couple of game series in this list?
1:03:40
That's over represented a little bit.
1:03:42
Yeah, we've got the rock stars and we got the rockstars MGS in
1:03:45
Zelda and Mario and, and yeah, I'm Jess is, oh yeah, they're a
1:03:50
lot. So Do you want to start with
1:03:55
this one? Because you took your two
1:03:59
favorite games will timer in this in this category.
1:04:02
So, imagine you've got a bit to say, Yeah, this is an easy one
1:04:07
for me and I still I flip flop with this recently.
1:04:17
I'm coming down on the side of Majora's Mask so I think
1:04:22
Majora's Mask is number one for me and the runner.
1:04:24
I would be breath the wild. Yeah, I was very happy with the
1:04:30
Majora's Mask episode that we did and I thought the breath of
1:04:33
the world episode was very good as well.
1:04:37
Things like Arkham City, the good games, but they're just not
1:04:41
quite there. Not quite on that level.
1:04:43
No, I I'd probably put ice hard, because I really, really enjoyed
1:04:55
Majora's Mask a lot. But the one thing that I liked
1:04:59
about breath of the wild, over the other side, against Was the
1:05:03
removal of like the dungeons or the classic Dungeons.
1:05:07
And for me the story and Majora's Mask, and the
1:05:12
atmosphere and everything about it was perfect.
1:05:16
The only thing I didn't like about Majora's Mask was the fact
1:05:19
that it was a Zelda game. So the dungeons But everything
1:05:24
else about I gained was fantastic, whereas breath of the
1:05:27
wild, it was fantastic, and it had removed, the element of the
1:05:31
Zelda games. I didn't, like, I mentioned that
1:05:33
in the breath of the world episode.
1:05:37
So I'm going to say Majora's Mask, in first position, because
1:05:46
I did really enjoy that game and just the darkness of it.
1:05:49
It was, it was brilliant and Curveball, I'm going to say my
1:05:55
runner-up is God of War. And I knew that that would be
1:05:59
there somewhere for you. Mmm.
1:06:00
Yeah, I enjoyed that and, you know, I've still not completed
1:06:04
breath of the wild and I'm having a really good time with
1:06:07
it. I've not played it for about a
1:06:09
week or two now, but I want to go back and finish it.
1:06:13
But yeah, God of War was just a little bit different for me and
1:06:17
yeah, it's nice to a bit representation, isn't it?
1:06:19
Yeah, 100 percent. So yes, I'd say Majora's, Mask
1:06:23
first, and then God of War second.
1:06:26
Yep. I think the air when I, when I
1:06:33
think about what jurors mask is just so special, and it
1:06:35
shouldn't have happened. Really, is it?
1:06:36
Yeah. All the odds were against it and
1:06:39
it was released in such a short time period.
1:06:41
And it was everything because in the same way, that breath of the
1:06:46
wild is anti Zelda. And in some ways, which is
1:06:50
Majora's Mask is a mature, Deep Zelda, game with a story with
1:06:58
music that's haunting and just a game that gets under your skin.
1:07:03
Yeah, yeah. Does weird game.
1:07:08
Okay, that's it. I was at least that's our genre
1:07:11
episode. Yeah.
1:07:12
Well, there you go. Yeah.
1:07:15
Were you expecting any other genres to make it appear?
1:07:18
No, but it just doesn't seem like we've just discussed over
1:07:20
100 games unless well, I just over an hour.
1:07:23
Yeah. Yeah, we were moving at quite a
1:07:26
pace and I think we just discuss these games in more detail for
1:07:30
our grading episode. Some of them.
1:07:31
So we went into a more detail there and this the purpose of
1:07:36
this episode wasn't to do that. It was to say, which is the,
1:07:41
which is the best in a genre. Yeah, that kind of does it.
1:07:43
We may do another one of these when we've made some progress in
1:07:46
the open critic list. Yeah.
1:07:48
And I mean, we've still got three games left that have been
1:07:51
added into the Metacritic top, It in the last two years, as
1:07:56
well as halflife, Alex, some point, but we've still got a
1:08:01
house in fata. Morgana got a wall Ragnarok and
1:08:05
Elden ring, so maybe we'll include those on a future list.
1:08:09
I've been watching quite a few old and ring videos over the
1:08:11
last few days. I'm looking forward to getting
1:08:12
back the other day. I think I'm probably going to
1:08:16
restart the game though because I've forgotten how to play it
1:08:18
and I think I'm going to try and do a better build this time
1:08:20
because I want into it completely blind with no idea as
1:08:22
to what I was doing when I started it.
1:08:24
Ausmus. So yeah, we'll see about that.
1:08:28
But we've got an episode coming up next week.
1:08:29
I won't we. So I was going to say, we've
1:08:33
done three in a row, and I am making progress with this game.
1:08:37
I don't know if you started it yet.
1:08:38
Nope. It's a long game.
1:08:41
I'm going to be playing it on Steam, I think just cause it's
1:08:43
cheaper. Fair enough.
1:08:46
So, yeah, I think we'll take a break next week.
1:08:50
We'll come back with housing fata, Morgana the week after
1:08:54
that, we will do Elder and ring, which means we'll be playing
1:08:57
both in the background. And then, after that, we said,
1:09:01
we're going to do Ragnarok at a later date.
1:09:03
Half-Life Alex, when we can. Yeah.
1:09:05
So we may be moving on after that to our own games exciting
1:09:09
times. Finally there after that time, I
1:09:13
know. I think we're, I think we're
1:09:15
both looking forward to that, aren't we?
1:09:17
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