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The Pacers Report with Mike Rich (A Farewell to Myles Turner, Podcast No. 313.1) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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[SPEAKER_04]: What you are listening to now is the central Indian sports report podcast number three hundred and thirteen point one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Our latest paces report with micro rich.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Our free agency day one review aka a farewell to Miles Turner.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Mike and I were joined by our NBA guy John Robertson.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Cody Emerson of the
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[SPEAKER_04]: Green Castle banner graphic and Michelle Garmin of the Tippedon Tribune and Elwood Colleater and Michelle and Cody.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're definitely on different sides of the debate.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was a great discussion.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're listening to the central Indiana Sports Report with your host, Greg Midgale.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, a composer stands for the central Indiana Sports Report with Michael Rich.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Here, of course, with Michael Rich joining me on the Riverside app to talk about Mr. Miles Turner moving from the Indiana Pacers after ten years to the Milwaukee Bucks.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm just going to say, Mike thoughts.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'll try to keep it clean, but walking
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, within the division is just awful.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I wouldn't care if he would have went anywhere else.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, we knew that there was a high likelihood turnout pipe is last game against OKC and game seven, but to go within the division.
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[SPEAKER_06]: go at the end of division like that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's straight up betrayal.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's like Craig Council going to the damn cups.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, come on.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, he was a lifetime.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Pacer is entire professional career.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Just go anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I would rather seen him go to LA and play with the damn lakers than Milwaukee.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And you know what hurts more than Miles Turner going to Milwaukee's James Johnson's gone to.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Here are my thoughts before we get to John Robertson who has joined this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that is that the Pacers saw that Miles Turner was not worth giving up all the flexibility that him leaving gives them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think Kevin Pricerd's working on something.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think it was obvious to me, Mike, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think I've been saying it for a year and a half now, maybe.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The Miles Turner just did not fit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I saw it, Kevin Pricchard certainly saw it, and he threw out an offer that he was hoping Miles Turner would not accept.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And now he's Milwaukee's problem, although he might be really good with, with Yannis and Bobby Portas having other guys who do the dirty work, which is what I've been saying.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you, Miles Turner's great, if you put a guy who does pretty stuff.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The bucks may be a better system for him.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He may open up the metal for Janice a little bit, but he's not going to rebound.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He's not going to play dirt.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He's not going to get.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He's not going to play much defense.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He's still going to play half court between the three point lines.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Again, he's going to be hopefully a system is better for him.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I wish him the best.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I loved what he did for Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I loved his loyalty.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Good do.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, good, good person.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And like I said, you, that might be the best part about not winning the championship is that we were going to, we're going to make changes.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We win game seven.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We still have Miles Turner for four more years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I would have taken it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I would have loved Miles Turner on the championship team.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That would have been fun.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But in order to win a championship now, this had to be done.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I just I just hope we don't wait too long to make a move.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Unless you complain like he's your fifth best player, which is what he would be going coming back another year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I believe in John Roberts and joins us now, John.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just gonna ask you like I asked Mike your your initial thoughts when you heard Miles Turner is a Milwaukee buck.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was shocking that he went to Milwaukee.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't shocked that he went somewhere, but I think it was shocking that he went to Milwaukee.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It definitely, you know, just seeing the image on my phone was weird.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When my daughter found out, she was really disappointed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She was like, oh, no, not Milwaukee.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think that's kind of magnifying everybody's sadness about him being gone, because he's going in a division to a rival.
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[SPEAKER_04]: prepared to hate him for until he's no longer playing from Milwaukee.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I can hate miles, I think.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, not as a person obviously, John, as a competitor, as a guy who used to be on my team, who's now playing for those sons of in Milwaukee, who we can't stand, especially Bobby Portis.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just, I feel betrayed by him a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure he feels betrayed by the pace.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a little bit to
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's fair.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it basketball's a business.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to have to do what's best for them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, I think I don't know what the offer came from the Pacers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like we don't officially know what the offer was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think Miles agents going to report one thing in the Pacers from office going to report another.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be somewhere in the middle, but like
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think when Tyreces injury happened, the Pacers knew they weren't going to go, like if they lost that, they weren't going to go into the tax, luxury tax very far, because they know next year's a dead year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that really sealed the deal on how much they were willing to go into the tax, which
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it was that of all guys.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it was Kevin, Richard, like the idea of having flexibility with Miles, not on the roster.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He likes the idea of a plug-and-play guy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's hoping I say a Jackson, and then, you know, you get another guy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Nick Richards, type player, we've been talking about, won't be that expensive.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Won't cost much outgoing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Would be a better fit for the Pacers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Again, his Nick Richards is good as Miles Turner.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, he's not.
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[SPEAKER_04]: is Isaiah Jackson is good as a mile of turn or no, he's not.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But that's not how basketball works.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You have to have parts that fit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And what the Pacers need is a guy who fights for rebound, who's athletic under the ran, who runs the floor.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's what Isaiah Jackson could be assuming he's healthy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the kind of player in the picture.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's could be.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So if you could go with in that kind of direction.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I didn't have to be in the picture.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It could be anybody.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think the Pacers are better for it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And now have cap flexibility.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I, I think that's the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it might be that they don't want to go into the, I can completely understand that they don't want to go into the, uh, I think they start out season see how they, they do with what they have and potentially could be a soft tank and.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I just think there'll be still competitive for playoff spot though.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Where do you think they finish Mike?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think they finished right now.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Probably six to eight.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If they went with this roster and Isaiah Jackson, I think six to eight, but they will definitely upgrade at the center position.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And now, I think there's potential to be a three or four.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I really do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't see a reason this roster can't win fifty games with Andrew Nimhart.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Mike, I said it about a hundred times.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Andrew Nimhart, when he plays the point when Haliburton's out for a game or two is not very good, but when he's done it for long stretches,
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[SPEAKER_04]: He starts to look like Halle Burton's street and I'm pretty excited to see what he can do with Maverick, Jaris Walker, Siakim, whoever plays center, whether it's Jackson or whatever, and you got niece Smith and I mean TJ OB.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No reason this team can't be competitive next year.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Well, and to have somebody playing a true center position and as long as they can get up and down the court as fast as they are, I say a Jackson would, they haven't signed him yet either, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I would assume they're going to now.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Who do we have on our team right now?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Is it just Bradley?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I'm in Bradley, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I say Jackson and Tommy Bradley, but there's going to, I'm telling you guys, something's happening.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Something's happening big.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how big.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what it is.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Kevin Preacher's working on something.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what it'll be.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Could be the trade deadline in the middle of the season.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But he's working on something big for twenty twenty seven when the pacers could be the best team of league and if done correctly and at this point we talked about it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We trust.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We trust him to do things correctly.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He can do something to make some special in twenty twenty seven.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He could definitely and I mean we got to have confidence.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean he's got a proven track record.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We got some young guys that are going to get a lot more playing time next year and they matured quite a bit this year and the run that they made that experience is going to transfer over pretty well.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't see them getting rather madder right now.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't see them getting red and east med.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So I think they find a serviceable center that's going to get rebounds and not need the ball to score.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think anything above six is his stretch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think you're more likely to see mother and uses a piece to get something else in here than your niece myth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't rule out mother and getting moved still.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't necessarily want to see him gone, but I'm saying
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[SPEAKER_04]: I want to see what he can do this year in a different kind of system with Nim hard rather than Halle Burton.
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[SPEAKER_04]: One thing that Nimard's really good at is labs, like really, really good when he's running the point.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so that makes Isaiah Jackson, Maatherin, and Jaris Walker going to be extra important next year because that'll be the type of offense that allowed him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I always think I'm terrible but I forget that Jerry Walker's a piece like you know I like him I'm not even saying anything I just forget that he's there I think he's got big upside
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, big.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the part that we haven't really hit on yet because we're looking at just straight numbers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do think there will be some possibly like mentality or locker room loss from miles being gone because they were a really tight new tight knit group.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm big on, you know, factoring and not just on paper numbers all the time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, how does the chemistry change with that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What does that signal to other players, you know, that if you don't perform in two series that we're going to
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[SPEAKER_04]: And if they were playing for a championship next year, I'd say that would probably factor in camaraderie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying, like, you got to wonder how, like, does Tyree see this and wonder, like, if, you know, is he all is?
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's part of every discussion as Kevin Pryrchard says.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He knows exactly what's happening at all time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He is one of the five in the room when they make decisions is what has been said.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We welcome now Cody Emerson who is going to completely disagree with me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's why he's here to explain his side and why he is completely under about the news today.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I wouldn't say completely disagree, but I it's been well known that I've been a Miles Turner supporter.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And if and I will still I will say this first and foremost, I don't care that he's on Milwaukee a team that I hate, but I will love the player.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I will always have respect for Miles Turner.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to dislike you while he's in Milwaukee, and then if he goes somewhere else, I'll come again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: As a lawyer, I will like that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: As I will root for his team to fail, but it was, I think like most of us, it wasn't the fact in my opinion that he left.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That was so shocking.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was the fact that he went to Milwaukee.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, Corinna Milwaukee needs a center after letting Brook Lopez go and they kind of
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[SPEAKER_05]: credit to them for realizing and offering miles of contract.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I'll be honest, twenty six million something like that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think is what that is annual values.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It to it frustrates me that herb Simon was not able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I think that's right around.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, the reports people been saying is.
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[SPEAKER_05]: right around the I think the twenty three to twenty six million range.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think the fourth year that was the.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't I don't know what it was, but the Milwaukee's pan basically fifty one four a year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So that's a whole another discussion.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, but.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Love that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, we do.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, but it was.
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[SPEAKER_05]: For me personally, it was kind of, it wasn't as bad, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not trying to compare the two situations, but it was a slightly less gut punch for me than when Holly towards the killies.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, this ten, I'm telling you, this ten days, or whatever we can have as a pastry fan for me personally has been awful.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you lose how like you lose the finals and now you lose Miles Turner.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have a feeling that by the end of next week, we will be a lot happier just the feeling.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Again, I'll be feeling happy if they run it with this and add some kind of backup center and hope Isaiah Jackson's the guy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If not, then you make a movie.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We got lots of depth.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the reason you have it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I like the idea of running it with this, but I have a feeling he's going to make a big move.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Just a feeling, Cody.
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[SPEAKER_05]: In my opinion,
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[SPEAKER_05]: Why wouldn't you, I don't think there's anything wrong with, I would call it a gap here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Next year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And what I mean by that is, signmiles and with how the East has looked first and foremost is looking horrendous and more horrendous by the day.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This team, if you have a starting line up of Andrew Nimford, Benedict Mathran,
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[SPEAKER_05]: Aaron Neesmith, Pascal Siak and Miles Turner, combined with TJ McConnell off the bench, Ben Sheppard, Jaris Walker, Obi, and Isaiah Jackson.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You couldn't keep Obi, Anthony.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's all right, what?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think the pastures could have been a at worstile, I'll say, six seed.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'll say at worst.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I don't think I just don't see a
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, what's wrong with saying, we're not gonna probably make the finals.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We might be able to win a first round series.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Might is a strong word there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then put your chips in the table for, in two years when Halle's healthy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I just don't see what was too wrong with that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Because this team, this pastry's team now is, I still think it's a playing team probably, but we'll see.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey John, I know you need to get back to the fever game and your other duties any final thoughts for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that it's surprising you into the books.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like miles and I think we could have made it work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wish they could have found the number that made it work in Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think that like we couldn't afford to spend too much on them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I just I really think that they couldn't find a number that fit both people are both groups.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I again like miles, but I'm also not willing to invest super, super much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think we'll just have to see how it all shakes out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I've kind of reserved myself to next year as kind of a whatever year anyway.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I know that we're thinking, they got a shot to make the playoffs maybe be a second round exit, but I'm kind of, I'm not super excited about twenty six twenty seven.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I said, I like Miles too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He, I bought his jersey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love Miles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a Miles Hater.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I don't think they could go too deep on him knowing that they're going to have big roster moves to make it the following year, too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, they've got to,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can manage my own checkbook.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When we start thinking in three, four years ahead for like players and stuff, that's somebody else has to do all that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm just going to discuss one flexibility is exactly what it is.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Richard, it's why I think, Richard, a lot of other wise you do a sign and trade.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and we're in miles gets more money and everybody's happy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think he thought he liked the idea of the cat flexibility.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The one thing I forgot to mention earlier that I was thinking is there are rumors that yawness isn't happy about letting Dame go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like he even picking up miles if they lose yawness after all, that's going to shake things up and change it completely too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think the walk is a mess.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that team's going to be any good.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's what makes them fight.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That would make me feel super, super good if, uh, Janus went somewhere else.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't care where he went, but if he went somewhere else and he for my miles and Milwaukee.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, there's not your heart.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How about us?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Why not?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'd love it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I understand why I understand why Milwaukee did it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Dames won that contract for his age and coming off that injury.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then I know they gave him that contract before he got hurt, but
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't blame Milwaukee for doing it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, Dame, that Achilles injury is gonna, especially since he's a little older, is gonna take some time, I think.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And Milwaukee wouldn't, Milwaukee wouldn't go anywhere in my opinion, anyway.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they're a dumpster fire right now.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They're starting Gary Trent and the other one that killed the Pacers and one of those games.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And because we know her and we've heard her opinion in the past, we know how Michelle Garman's going to feel about that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's going to be differently than Cody Emerson, which is why we wanted to have them all.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We wanted everybody on here for a friendly debate.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Michelle, your thoughts on Miles Turner being a Milwaukee book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do wish Miles the best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was great for the city of Indianapolis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw I haven't got to read the whole thing yet, but I saw an article where
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[SPEAKER_00]: people think that that deal was bad deal for Milwaukee because it's hand strung them, you know, for two or three years down the road.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's what it was with the Pacers with Halibut not being in play next year knowing that possibly you're going to be looking to resign matter into a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you have that use.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Pacers just decided have an idea of where they want their money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe Kevin Pritchett
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[SPEAKER_00]: Richard has an idea of who he wants his big man to be and it might not be who's the big man next year, but he might have an idea of what he wants to do for what Halle Burton comes back in two years with this young group to make it go forward and probably going to be somebody young and
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[SPEAKER_00]: My biggest beef with miles was he played defense with his hands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he could block shots at the rim.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he was a a so-so defender.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's too many times his hand were down on his sides.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As Kaylin Cooper said, he was a terrible rebounder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He really, he had a lot of was I don't think he had strong hands off the glass and getting snaring things off the glass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He bubbled a lot of rebounds.
20:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he had a couple big dunks in the playoffs, but just a couple.
20:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if he was still athletic and able to do all that, you would have seen more.
20:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this, you know, he had a chance.
20:31
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the man.
20:31
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the ten year bit.
20:32
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a chance.
20:33
[SPEAKER_00]: They needed him.
20:35
[SPEAKER_00]: They needed him to come up big in the NBA finals.
20:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And he could not do it.
20:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that and really through the whole NBA playoffs,
20:45
[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at it, I think each series, he had fewer of you are really great, you know, strings of great games.
20:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just think the Pacer thought, if we can't rely on him, if he can't step up in our, in the biggest area, we can't overpay him.
21:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And we got to think now and of the future, and because with Boston being down in the way things are in the East, the Indian apacers are a playoff contender next year.
21:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Without Haliburton and even without Miles Turner, I really believe that if they get a read, get a couple of athletic guys that can rebound, they're going to be a playoff contender.
21:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And preacher, he's got something in play.
21:25
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got something in mind.
21:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I really believe it.
21:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think though when Haliburton went down, I agree.
21:32
[SPEAKER_00]: He thought as soon as
21:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Haliburton is a clearly snapped.
21:37
[SPEAKER_00]: There went miles as future in Indianapolis and I do think that is something to do with it because they you'd no one once they I mean you get good teams right now sliding getting away.
21:48
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want to be on that second apron for a while or they've been there and they don't want to stay there that second apron is not a fun place to be and especially for a year.
21:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they're playoff contenders next year.
22:00
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're not in VA title contenders next year.
22:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe it, but I do believe they can be against the force.
22:06
[SPEAKER_04]: It was nothing they do, including if they somehow trained it for yawness would probably not make them champions next year.
22:13
[SPEAKER_04]: But two years from now, if everything goes right and you throw a mother and out there and you throw a walker out there and you find out what they got in by twenty seven now we're talking
22:26
[SPEAKER_05]: It's something I always say with when you choose to let, and this goes for any sport.
22:32
[SPEAKER_05]: When you decide to let a notable player walk is, okay, who are you gonna bring in?
22:38
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's my opinion could change.
22:41
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, in the moment, in the present, the Pacers were winning with Miles Turner.
22:46
[SPEAKER_05]: Miles Turner was a reason they got to the finals.
22:50
[SPEAKER_05]: I will defend that till the day I die.
22:52
[SPEAKER_05]: He's
22:55
[SPEAKER_05]: I just think it's four space thing in today's NBA when the three ball is king is you need a guy who can stretch the floor.
23:02
[SPEAKER_05]: If you can have all five guys stretch the floor, you can be a pretty dangerous team on the pacers show that they can be a very dangerous team.
23:09
[SPEAKER_05]: But it's who do you bring it?
23:12
[SPEAKER_05]: The options at least three agent wise, and I'm not saying they go the free agent, right?
23:18
[SPEAKER_05]: Are not great.
23:18
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the answer is not coming in.
23:22
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the free agent centers have been poached already.
23:25
[SPEAKER_05]: And to be honest, I wouldn't have liked any really of the ones that were available for the most part.
23:30
[SPEAKER_05]: Stephen Adam.
23:34
[SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't have liked to do that, but that's neither here either.
23:36
[SPEAKER_05]: And the trademark it, they're the Nick Richards.
23:39
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I know you're high on him, Greg.
23:41
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not.
23:42
[SPEAKER_04]: But like that, Odie, it's not necessarily him.
23:46
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just not.
23:46
[SPEAKER_05]: But it has been reported that the patients, I think, are interested.
23:49
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
23:50
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just not.
23:53
[SPEAKER_05]: I just don't see anyone out there right now that could.
23:57
[SPEAKER_05]: What's that to find me in that?
23:58
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I drive a hard bargain because I'm miles turner fan.
24:03
[SPEAKER_05]: And you don't want to completely just say, yeah, we're going to suck.
24:07
[SPEAKER_05]: I honestly think what the roster the way it is now could be a five seed of everything went right.
24:12
[SPEAKER_05]: I agree.
24:13
[SPEAKER_05]: I was going through my head.
24:16
[SPEAKER_05]: today on the teams that I would pick ahead of the Pacers.
24:23
[SPEAKER_05]: And I can count there are three for sure in the east right now that I would pick ahead of the Pacers.
24:30
[SPEAKER_05]: Then there's a fourth that
24:32
[SPEAKER_05]: probably wouldn't surprise me if they have a great year and a three flocks for me.
24:38
[SPEAKER_05]: I was Cleveland, New York and I think Orlando's going to be a dangerous team next year.
24:43
[SPEAKER_05]: I really like.
24:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Like sign Westbrook though, take them out of the picture.
24:47
[SPEAKER_05]: He has been he has been bad for that starting five for Orlando with Boncaro and Desmond Bane and the rest of that team.
24:54
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm I'm taking Orlando.
24:57
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not asking Westbrook to start then the fourth one was and they've kind of been making sneaky additions and they've been a player playing team kind of like the last what probably three or four years.
25:08
[SPEAKER_05]: I like Atlanta.
25:10
[SPEAKER_05]: I really like what Atlanta is doing.
25:12
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
25:13
[SPEAKER_04]: My rich and I have been talking about that since last season.
25:16
[SPEAKER_04]: Take away the trade.
25:16
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to really like them.
25:18
[SPEAKER_04]: That ain't going to happen with Atlanta, but I mean, I just those were kind of those four of them.
25:22
[SPEAKER_04]: And again, well, I think I said about.
25:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I get somebody I said about the other night.
25:29
[SPEAKER_04]: He's a guy who asked out the ball on his hands and when he has the ball on his hands, he makes his team worse.
25:33
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the way I see it.
25:36
[SPEAKER_04]: But man, dice the Daniels and Jaylen Johnson and the new additions.
25:42
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a pretty nice roster.
25:43
[SPEAKER_04]: If I were them, I'd find a way to move.
25:45
[SPEAKER_05]: Try you.
25:46
[SPEAKER_05]: And those are, I think, like I said, the four teams.
25:50
[SPEAKER_05]: And then the rest.
25:53
[SPEAKER_05]: The East is wide open after that.
25:55
[SPEAKER_05]: There's still a lot of question marks between now and the start of the season.
25:57
[SPEAKER_04]: That's for sure Mike.
26:15
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I agree.
26:16
[SPEAKER_06]: I think there's a lot of question marks and it's, you know, what day and a half, two days into free agency and a lot can happen before the beginning of next season.
26:27
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think the pastures are all right, the more more we talk, the more confident I feel.
26:32
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, if they, I just have to get a serviceable.
26:35
[SPEAKER_06]: center that does what a center should do.
26:39
[SPEAKER_06]: They're going to compete in the east.
26:40
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think, you know, the experience that they have, the core of the team is still going to be there.
26:47
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, Haliburton still going to be in that locker room.
26:50
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, and we got a lot of good players.
26:53
[SPEAKER_06]: We got a lot of good young players as well.
26:55
[SPEAKER_06]: And again, Richard is probably one of the best in the business.
26:59
[SPEAKER_06]: And we have to trust him and
27:01
[SPEAKER_06]: believe that he's going to make a move before being in the season to put us put us in a good spot.
27:08
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, think we're financially in a place where we can actually make moves and we're not going to be one of the few teams that could do that.
27:17
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
27:17
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, we would have been strapped by miles.
27:20
[SPEAKER_06]: It's contract.
27:20
[SPEAKER_06]: We would have been one injury from being out playoffs.
27:23
[SPEAKER_06]: And you're going to see that with Milwaukee.
27:25
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, they're going to be hurt.
27:27
[SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, if they don't have miles and y'all and has playing,
27:32
[SPEAKER_06]: Every game next year and being able to make it to the playoffs.
27:35
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, they're really in a struggle.
27:37
[SPEAKER_04]: So at least they got TJ McCommel.
27:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's hope that they resigned Thomas Bryant because those are our guys and I think they might have to.
27:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Mike and I are going to be on Johnny Furphy watch over the next few weeks.
27:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, put on some pounds, Johnny.
27:54
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
27:55
[SPEAKER_04]: You're a bang.
27:56
[SPEAKER_04]: Also, guys, Michelle Cody, thank you so much.
27:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Can't wait to see what Jerry's Walker and Benedict Mather and I have to offer next year.
28:04
[SPEAKER_04]: If they're pastures.
28:05
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a it's a big year for Jerry's Walker.
28:09
[SPEAKER_05]: Big.
28:09
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a big opportunity first and foremost.
28:11
[SPEAKER_05]: I have a plan of his for.
28:13
[SPEAKER_05]: He's one of those players where it's like his relief looks pretty funky.
28:18
[SPEAKER_05]: But by God does it go in most of the time.
28:21
[SPEAKER_05]: And his deep, he's a long athletic forward who I'm really excited to see.
28:26
[SPEAKER_05]: And I hope the Pacers kind of play him more because you're reaching some of the points on a point.
28:33
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
28:34
[SPEAKER_06]: He would have played more in a playoff this year if you wouldn't have been injured.
28:38
[SPEAKER_06]: Madden was raw last year.
28:39
[SPEAKER_06]: And I mean, he didn't get, he didn't get this was his first playoff experience this year.
28:44
[SPEAKER_06]: And I mean,
28:46
[SPEAKER_06]: He made a big leap this year.
28:48
[SPEAKER_06]: He makes another leap like he did between.
28:52
[SPEAKER_06]: last year in this year.
28:53
[SPEAKER_06]: If he days the same thing next year and he continues to develop and he gets rid of those sticky hands.
28:59
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, he could be a very dangerous player.
29:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Even his sticky hands might be valuable next year to slow things down a little bit.
29:07
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be a different kind of offense where it's a more of a half court offense.
29:11
[SPEAKER_04]: I would assume Nim hards more of a pick and roll type, you know, pass off the off of a scheme than how it burdens more of a
29:19
[SPEAKER_04]: kind of read things as it goes.
29:21
[SPEAKER_04]: And, and I think, yeah, I think, Maether and Walker, Obi-Top, and Isaiah Jackson, they're going to be so great with Nim Harve running the point and the labs and the back doors.
29:32
[SPEAKER_04]: And, it's good to be allowed to fun to watch.
29:34
[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks so much, guys.
29:35
[SPEAKER_04]: I appreciate your time.
29:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Can not wait for next season.
29:37
[SPEAKER_04]: Can't wait for this summer.
29:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Lee, come up real soon and we'll be talking about that too.
29:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks guys.
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