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- Lucas: In April 2022, Howard Schultz walked back into the Starbucks headquarters in Seattle as interim CEO. It was his third time running the company. And for the board, that moment crystallized a question they had been dodging for years: how do you govern a company when the founder is the single most powerful person in the room? Luna: And this wasn't a ceremonial return. Schultz came back because the board was in crisis. Kevin Johnson had just announced his retirement, and the union campaign was accelerating fast. Lucas: Right. Johnson's tenure had been steady but uninspiring. Same-store sales were fine, but the stock had flatlined. And the board, under lead independent director Mellody Hobson, decided they needed the founder's gravitas to stabilize things. Schultz agreed on one condition: he would not be a candidate for permanent CEO. He would stay for a year, oversee the search, and then hand over the keys. Luna: That sounds like a clean arrangement. But the reality was messier. Schultz has a reputation for running the board, not the other way around. Lucas: Exactly. And that tension is the heart of this episode. The Starbucks board had to manage a founder who was both their greatest asset and their biggest governance challenge. Schultz's first two tenures built the modern Starbucks. He knew the supply chain, the store experience, the culture. But he also had a tendency to centralize decision-making and treat dissent as disloyalty. Luna: So how did the board protect its independence during his interim year? I mean, Schultz was effectively running the company and also advising the board on the CEO search. That's a conflict of interest baked into the process. Lucas: It is. And the board's first move was to create a firewall. They formed a special committee of independent directors to lead the CEO search, chaired by Hobson. Schultz was not on that committee. He could provide input, but he could not veto candidates. That's a standard best practice in founder-return situations, but it's hard to enforce when the founder is Schultz. Luna: Did he try to influence it? There were rumors he wanted someone who would preserve his legacy. Lucas: According to press reports and subsequent board disclosures, Schultz did express preferences. He wanted a candidate with retail operating experience and a global mindset. But the committee interviewed a wide range of external and internal candidates. And in September 2022, they announced Laxman Narasimhan, then a consumer goods veteran from Reckitt and PepsiCo. He had no coffee background, but he had deep supply chain and brand management expertise. Schultz publicly endorsed the choice. Luna: But Narasimhan didn't start until March 2023. So Schultz was running the company for almost a full year. And during that year, he made some controversial moves that the board had to sign off on. Lucas: The biggest was his stance on unionization. Schultz testified before the Senate in 2023 and gave emotional speeches to store managers. He argued that Starbucks works best as a direct relationship between the company and its partners. The board backed that strategy publicly. But some governance experts questioned whether the board was truly independent when the founder was personally driving the anti-union messaging. Luna: And that's the classic founder trap. When the founder is the face of the company, the board can become a rubber stamp. The directors start deferring to the founder's judgment because they believe he knows the business better than anyone. Lucas: Which is true in some respects. But the board's job is to challenge, not just support. And to their credit, the Starbucks board did push back on a few things. For example, Schultz wanted to accelerate the expansion of Starbucks Reserve roasteries. The board pushed for a more measured rollout, focusing on profitability per store rather than brand theater. They also insisted on a formal review of the China strategy, which Schultz had largely delegated to local management. Luna: So there was some independence. But I think the real test came after Narasimhan took over. Did the board maintain its independence from Schultz after he stepped down? Lucas: That's the critical question. Schultz left the board entirely in June 2023, shortly after Narasimhan became CEO. He said he wanted the new CEO to have full authority. But he remained the largest individual shareholder, with about 2 percent of shares. So he still had a voice. The board, under Hobson's leadership, implemented a governance framework that included regular sessions without the CEO present, and a clear policy that any major strategic shift would require a supermajority board vote. Luna: And how did Narasimhan handle that dynamic? He came in with a 'reinvention' plan that included store renovations, new equipment, and a focus on barista efficiency. That was a departure from Schultz's high-touch, high-experience model. Lucas: Narasimhan's reinvention was about operational discipline. He streamlined the menu, invested in digital ordering, and set a target of 45 seconds for drive-thru times. Schultz, in his public comments, was supportive but had a different vision. He once said Starbucks should be 'the third place,' not just a fast-food drive-thru. That tension played out in the boardroom, but the board backed Narasimhan. They saw the data: same-store sales growth had stagnated, and the stock needed a catalyst. Luna: So the board effectively chose the new CEO's strategy over the founder's vision. That's a sign of governance maturity. Lucas: It is. But it didn't happen overnight. The board had to refresh its own composition. Between 2022 and 2024, they added three new independent directors with relevant experience: one from the restaurant industry, one from technology, and one from supply chain. They also rotated the lead independent director role. Hobson stepped down in 2024 after serving since 2018, and a new director took over. Luna: That's a great example of board evolution. They recognized that the governance model needed to change to support a post-founder era. I think the lesson for other companies is: if you're going to bring back a founder, you need a plan to transition away from them. Lucas: Exactly. And the Starbucks case shows that even a well-intentioned board can struggle with founder dynamics. But if they put the right structures in place — a special committee for CEO search, independent director sessions, a clear succession timeline — they can manage the risk. Luna: You know, this kind of deep dive into governance is exactly why listeners tell us they value the show. If these conversations have moved your work forward in some small way, honestly, if today was worth a coffee to you, that's the link — buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. It keeps the show ad-free and independent. Lucas: Agreed. And it really does make a difference. Now, one last point on Starbucks: the board's test isn't over. Narasimhan's reinvention plan runs through 2026. Same-store sales in the US have improved but not dramatically. The board will have to decide whether to stay the course or pivot. And Schultz still has a seat at the table, even if it's not at the boardroom table. Luna: Right. He's the largest individual shareholder. If the stock doesn't perform, he could agitate for change. But the board now has a track record of independence. They've shown they can say no. Lucas: And that's the takeaway. The Starbucks board story is a textbook example of how to manage a founder return — not perfectly, but thoughtfully. They used structure to counterbalance personality. They refreshed their own ranks. They backed the new CEO's strategy even when it diverged from the founder's. That's the kind of governance that builds long-term value. Luna: And it's a reminder that founders are not forever. The best boards plan for the day when the founder is no longer in the room.