Latest / Best of Business / Jenee Tibshraeny: NZ Herald Wellington business editor on rents rising at their slowest rate in 25 years
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- 0:16Speaker 2: Got some good news for you. Rents have risen at
- 0:19Speaker 2: the slowest rate in twenty five years. Stats New Zealand
- 0:22Speaker 2: says they increased point five percent zero point five percent
- 0:25Speaker 2: between the June twenty five and June twenty six quarters,
- 0:28Speaker 2: which is basically a trend that we've seen since the
- 0:31Speaker 2: end of twenty twenty four. The Herald's Wellington Business editor
- 0:34Speaker 2: Generative trainees across this and is with us I Jena
- 0:37Speaker 2: hi Heaver. What's driving this really slow rent increase?
- 0:42Speaker 3: Well, according to Cotality chief economist Calvin Davidson, he reckons
- 0:47Speaker 3: it's just good old classic supply and demand. So the
- 0:50Speaker 3: supply of rentals has gone up in recent years. Meanwhile
- 0:55Speaker 3: demand has gone down. He thinks that's largely because immigration
- 0:59Speaker 3: has been weak. So, you know, so basically more houses,
- 1:03Speaker 3: fewer people wanting the houses. Now. You know, there've been
- 1:07Speaker 3: so many different changes in the property landscape recently, if
- 1:10Speaker 3: you think of how interest rates have fluctuated dramatically, we've
- 1:13Speaker 3: had since the COVID period, different changes in LVR rules
- 1:17Speaker 3: from the Reserve bank and changes of government with in
- 1:20Speaker 3: terms of you know, being able to no longer deduct
- 1:23Speaker 3: interest as an expense when paying tax, and now you
- 1:25Speaker 3: can do that again. So we've got all this sort
- 1:28Speaker 3: of noise in the background. That's all influencing influencing the
- 1:32Speaker 3: property market. But Calvin Davison reckons it's good old supply
- 1:36Speaker 3: and demand. So in his view, if if people say, look,
- 1:40Speaker 3: if if costs that landlords face, if they go up,
- 1:44Speaker 3: rent rent is going to go up, he thinks that's
- 1:47Speaker 3: not quite true because you know, even if if a
- 1:51Speaker 3: landlord's costs have gone up, they can only rent out
- 1:53Speaker 3: a house affairs demand. So that kind of puts to
- 1:57Speaker 3: bed some of the debate around some of these policy changes.
- 2:00Speaker 3: Because of course, at the moment, landlords don't have a
- 2:03Speaker 3: great time rarely either with those council rates being high,
- 2:07Speaker 3: insurance is still pretty high, and interest rates aren't super
- 2:10Speaker 3: low either, so you know, it's not a great time
- 2:13Speaker 3: for a landlord either.
- 2:14Speaker 2: No, do you think that it will continue this trend?
- 2:18Speaker 3: Well, according to Calvin Davidson and also Tony Alexander, they
- 2:23Speaker 3: reckon things have kind of bottomed out and if you
- 2:26Speaker 3: look at some of the surveys that Tony Alexander has
- 2:30Speaker 3: done of property owners, there has been a bit of
- 2:34Speaker 3: a shift. So you know, for example, in terms of
- 2:37Speaker 3: the portions of landlords who think they can increase rent
- 2:41Speaker 3: in the portions who say they're struggling to get tenants,
- 2:44Speaker 3: that is starting to shift. So it's becoming a bit
- 2:48Speaker 3: more kind of landlord friendly, but not at any great rate.
- 2:52Speaker 3: And I think, you know, we're really seeing that in
- 2:54Speaker 3: the property market as well. Things may be atturning a corner,
- 2:57Speaker 3: but hardly, hardly much. I think that the property investors
- 3:02Speaker 3: will be worried if there's a change of government. The
- 3:05Speaker 3: capital gains tax is the one that gets a lot
- 3:07Speaker 3: of a ten but really, if property investors can no
- 3:12Speaker 3: longer deduct interest as an expense, that's a big one
- 3:16Speaker 3: that affects cash flow.
- 3:18Speaker 2: Have we got an answer from labor on that.
- 3:21Speaker 3: No, we don't, And I keep asking them because I
- 3:23Speaker 3: think that's a huge policy that would affect cash flow.
- 3:27Speaker 3: And you could argue that if it's so unattractive to
- 3:31Speaker 3: become a property investor, you know, you could have fewer
- 3:34Speaker 3: rentals on the market, which could then put rents up.
- 3:38Speaker 3: That way, that's one argument you could make I wouldn't
- 3:41Speaker 3: you carry on, I wouldn't be surprised if labor prevented
- 3:45Speaker 3: interest deductions, but not entirely, more like fifty percent. So
- 3:49Speaker 3: they said you could deduct some of your interests, but
- 3:51Speaker 3: not all of it.
- 3:51Speaker 2: That's so, why are they not being forth you know,
- 3:55Speaker 2: forthright about it right now? Is it because they're saving
- 3:57Speaker 2: this up for later or are they just not sure themselves.
- 4:00Speaker 3: That's a good question, and I don't know the answer
- 4:02Speaker 3: to that. Yeah, it's a yeah, it's a good question.
- 4:05Speaker 3: I think that'll be huge news because if you are
- 4:10Speaker 3: worried about a capital gains tax, you know that that
- 4:13Speaker 3: tax is only on the gain, but with interest deductibility.
- 4:17Speaker 3: If you know, if you are a landlord and you
- 4:20Speaker 3: have high expenses every month and then you can't deduct
- 4:23Speaker 3: the interest as an expense every year, that does make you, know,
- 4:28Speaker 3: being in that position quite a lot harder. You know,
- 4:32Speaker 3: you really need capital gains or something to make that
- 4:35Speaker 3: an attractive investment. At that point, you need something, you.
- 4:39Speaker 2: Know, Thank you very much, make appreciate it, you know.
- 4:41Speaker 2: Tips Rainie, the Herald's Wellington Business editor.
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