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The Occult Rejects (Almost Whole Crew) on Divulgence LIVE · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What what's gonna happen?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 4: Hey?
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  Speaker 5: There, and welcome back to Divulgence everybody. Obviously we've got
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  Speaker 5: a full house full pack tells. We got the Accault
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  Speaker 5: rejects in the house along with myself and Hasburd Jolly West.
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  Speaker 5: So we have Jewels, Brandon Lee, Nick Ethan who we
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  Speaker 5: evolve met before, and we also have Gin, Sondri the
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  Speaker 5: Loon and Euros up in the house. So well, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'm super excited to be happy to meet you guys.
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  Speaker 5: Uh and it's great to have the rest of you here.
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  Speaker 5: It's like a freakin party here. So I guess before
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  Speaker 5: we get started, let's let's let's jump into just quick
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  Speaker 5: introductions from those who haven't been on the show yet.
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  Speaker 6: Why don't we start with you Jen, We'll go with Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: we'll start with you.
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  Speaker 4: Jin awesome, So thank you so much, Jordan and Jolly
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  Speaker 4: Wes HAPs for Jolly West, Thank you so much. Props
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  Speaker 4: to you guys for letting all the rejects on. Of course,
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  Speaker 4: Boss mister ninety three can't forget to shout out the cardinal.
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  Speaker 4: So if people want to check me out, they can
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  Speaker 4: check me out My show is called Threshold Saints. I
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  Speaker 4: call it serial Experiments and speculative ontology, and so it's
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  Speaker 4: a show about chaos, magic, dharma. I'm a contrack Buddhist
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  Speaker 4: and also speculative nacissism.
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  Speaker 3: We also have a.
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  Speaker 4: Metamagical roundtable called the Gray Lodge, which happens every Friday
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  Speaker 4: or every second Friday, depends on how creative I'm feeling
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  Speaker 4: to do titles, but every two weeks there's definitely a
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  Speaker 4: book club. Aros is a co host on it as
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  Speaker 4: well as obviously I'm a co host on it. And
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  Speaker 4: we've got two other boys who've all been on Rejects
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  Speaker 4: and who all have been on my show, threshold Saint.
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  Speaker 4: So if people want to check me out, they can
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  Speaker 4: follow Threshold Saints at threshold Saints dot subsec dot com
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  Speaker 4: or on Spotify, Apple, on ig at threshold Saints, on
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  Speaker 4: x at Threshold Saints, as well as on YouTube. Now
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  Speaker 4: all the Threshold Saints episodes as well as the Gray Lodge.
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  Speaker 4: You can find that on YouTube dot com slash at
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  Speaker 4: threshold Saints.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm a really.
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  Speaker 4: Good speculative cabalist as well, So I just I'll shout
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  Speaker 4: myself out for that, but yeah, that's I kind of
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  Speaker 4: am the menace of the Internet for that reason.
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  Speaker 3: So thank you guys so much for having me on.
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  Speaker 3: And it's great to be on with everybody.
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  Speaker 6: Right man, Well, it's a pleasure to meet you.
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  Speaker 7: Lune.
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  Speaker 6: You're up.
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  Speaker 5: Please introduce yourself. It's a pleasure to meet you. Great
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  Speaker 5: to have you here.
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  Speaker 8: Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure. This should
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  Speaker 8: be exciting. I'm the Lune aka Ji Swanson. I actually
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  Speaker 8: broadcast on spreaker X and Loon and YouTube sorry, and
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  Speaker 8: I basically touch on everything, basically everything spiritual that I
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  Speaker 8: am aware of. You can find me as a loon there.
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  Speaker 5: Perfect, right, Well again, it's great to have you here,
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  Speaker 5: Sondre my friend. Great to see you. I love your beard, man,
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  Speaker 5: you got to kick ass be going on there. We
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  Speaker 5: love our beards here.
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  Speaker 6: So so thank you. Other than your beard, what else
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  Speaker 6: can you tell us about yourself?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, my name is Sonri. I host the Order of
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  Speaker 9: Chaos at university. We have a YouTube channel, the Order
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  Speaker 9: of Chaos, and I was a chaos magician, I guess
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  Speaker 9: you could say, for for a very long time, and
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  Speaker 9: that evolved into what I call chaos witchcraft. Which is
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  Speaker 9: a more spiritual approach to chaos magic. It's the theistic
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  Speaker 9: approach which I talked about in an essay I did
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  Speaker 9: in This Is Chaos with Peter Carroll, and then that
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  Speaker 9: turned into a full length book which you can pre
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  Speaker 9: order on Amazon now. It's called Chaos Witchcraft. I am
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  Speaker 9: primarily a teacher of magic, and I am a YouTuber
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  Speaker 9: second to that. Much preferred teaching than making YouTube videos.
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  Speaker 10: But you gotta do what you gotta do.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, you can find all my stuff at the order
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  Speaker 9: of castmagic dot com.
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  Speaker 10: Check it out.
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  Speaker 6: Awesome. That's wow interesting, so much interesting stuff we're gonna
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  Speaker 6: have to do.
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  Speaker 5: Uh yeah, I'll have to bring all you guys back
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  Speaker 5: for like some one on one discussions because yeah, we're
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  Speaker 5: not gonna be able to fit it all today.
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  Speaker 6: Euros. Great to have you as well. Pleasure to meet you.
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  Speaker 6: What can you tell us?
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  Speaker 7: Yes, muted, she's going to jewels.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, awesome, sorry about that. Thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 11: It's nice to meet you as well. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 11: a hermeticist astrologer, uh, platonist. I'm really into like the
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  Speaker 11: tech tractees and the hermetic principles and kind of working
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  Speaker 11: with like that Youngian psychoid layer, and I have a
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  Speaker 11: YouTube channel, Aero sub Uh. I make videos sometimes usually
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  Speaker 11: like very meta, just meta discussions around like astrology and
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  Speaker 11: uh platonism and UH archetypes young some studies on like
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  Speaker 11: platinists in there, the enneads. So if you're interested in
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  Speaker 11: any of that, you'll probably enjoy it.
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  Speaker 10: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So we have like so many different specialists so
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  Speaker 5: to speak, in the house here.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, we can talk about so much really, so.
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  Speaker 5: Why don't we go I mean, let's just start I
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  Speaker 5: guess about me, We'll just start going around the table.
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  Speaker 6: Uh, Jules, Let's start with you.
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  Speaker 5: I know you you you had a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 5: stuff that you were talking about before. So let's just
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  Speaker 5: kick it off somewhere and we'll see what kind of
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  Speaker 5: fun we have.
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  Speaker 6: What kind of shit have you been working on? My friend?
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  Speaker 6: I know you named a few things, but pick one
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  Speaker 6: and let's then let's kick that.
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  Speaker 7: Am I doing an introduction too? Or am I sorry?
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  Speaker 7: A intro to to who I am?
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  Speaker 12: Or Oh?
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  Speaker 6: Sorry? Yeah, sorry, man, I just kind of did that
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  Speaker 6: for the newcomers.
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  Speaker 7: But no, okay, okay, sorry completely, I thought you were
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  Speaker 7: coming back around. What's up?
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  Speaker 6: I love you guys too. Tell us about who you are, man,
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  Speaker 6: I don't want you to feel left.
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  Speaker 7: What's up, guys, I'm Jules, host of the Gray Pilled podcast,
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  Speaker 7: The Mississippi Mystic, The Handsome High Refanty based Bar, The Hyperbore,
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  Speaker 7: and herb It. Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: I have a couple.
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  Speaker 7: I have a couple of shows. I do Gods of
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  Speaker 7: the Morning Wood and a Cult Cinema. One's fairly new.
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  Speaker 7: We've had four episodes on there. They're both Patreon shows,
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  Speaker 7: but it's really what I'm doing right now, trying to
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  Speaker 7: build up the Gray Pilled community a little more so
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  Speaker 7: you can go to Patreon to support the show there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, dude, I you know, I talk about a
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  Speaker 7: lot of occult symbolism, you know, where our symbols come from,
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  Speaker 7: and kind of taking back our symbols and being able
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  Speaker 7: to use them because I do believe they are being
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  Speaker 7: used against us, both consciously and subconsciously. And I talk
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  Speaker 7: a lot about ancient history, ancient pantheons, a lot about eggrigors.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 7: Lately, been getting into the symbolism of Sebasias and U
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  Speaker 7: a little bit of the Thracian pantheon and kind of
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  Speaker 7: how those myths link up with Greece, and then just
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  Speaker 7: a lot of stuff we talk about on my show
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  Speaker 7: throughout the years, I've talked about, you know, like lineages
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  Speaker 7: of fallen angels and these different archetypes that you find
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  Speaker 7: throughout every culture that kind of line up with you know.
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  Speaker 7: And then and then we come to today and so
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  Speaker 7: I don't know, man, I I just uh, great pilled
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  Speaker 7: We we cover a lot on there, so just got
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  Speaker 7: to check it out. I had Crow seven seven seven
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  Speaker 7: on cro Triple seven shout out. Crow had him on yesterday. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: we had it was it was a banger episode and
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  Speaker 7: uh so yeah, man, but Patreon is where you'll find
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  Speaker 7: most of my stuff right now. I know we had
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  Speaker 7: talked prior to the show about topics for the evening
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  Speaker 7: and uh you me and Nick I think brought up
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  Speaker 7: servitors and thought forms and and and stuff. That's one
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  Speaker 7: big thing we've talked about on my show. But but yeah, dude, lately,
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  Speaker 7: just uh you know, I don't really have anything planned.
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  Speaker 7: Like I said, Gods in the Morning Wood Occult Cinema.
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  Speaker 7: We just did on last Wednesday, broke down Donnie Darko,
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  Speaker 7: Me and John from Metamistic. Yeah, it was fun. It's fun. Uh,
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  Speaker 7: that's cool.
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  Speaker 6: What's going on there?
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  Speaker 10: We did we did.
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  Speaker 13: Good, you know, just real quick, Jewels, you should mention
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  Speaker 13: this stuff you do with the books to real quick
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  Speaker 13: because I think that's a huge that's a huge plus.
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  Speaker 13: It's a Saturday morning show, Gods in the Morning Wood,
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  Speaker 13: I mean Gods in the Morning Wood.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. Okay, So, uh we have a wheel and we
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  Speaker 7: kind of let the wheel choose the books for us,
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  Speaker 7: and uh, most it's funny. Sometimes it's very synchronistic. But
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  Speaker 7: uh yeah, so I have Nick comes on, I have
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  Speaker 7: Subliminal Messenger season of the rat Stax Farmstead. Sarah the
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  Speaker 7: Eternal has come to a few of them lately. So
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  Speaker 7: we kind of get together all these people of these
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  Speaker 7: different backgrounds and these different schools of thought, and we
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  Speaker 7: all kind of, you know, give our own interpretation of
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  Speaker 7: the books that we're reading. We we we read Gnostic
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  Speaker 7: text all the way to the Sagas and the Eddas
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  Speaker 7: to you know, treaties on magic. Right, So like we
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  Speaker 7: we cover a lot on that show. But it's one
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  Speaker 7: way to look at the occult from these different perspectives.
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  Speaker 7: Because when you view the occult through this one particular lens,
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  Speaker 7: especially what's pushed on the in kind of the mainstream
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  Speaker 7: and like the conspiracy community, it's all dark and evil
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  Speaker 7: and it's you know, it all comes from this this
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  Speaker 7: place of like a negative representation kind of right. So
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  Speaker 7: there's way more to it, you know. And I think
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  Speaker 7: if if you're a fan of the occult rejects, then
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  Speaker 7: you know by now you know, or if you're your
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  Speaker 7: own adept whatever you want to say, you know, you're
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  Speaker 7: on your own path and you figured this stuff out
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  Speaker 7: along the way. So you know, Gods of the Morning
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  Speaker 7: Wood is a show where people can come together discuss
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  Speaker 7: their different uh you know, views on things and we
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  Speaker 7: kind of come to this, you know, the same conclusions
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  Speaker 7: about a lot at the same time learning and uh
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  Speaker 7: but yeah, no, it's a it's something I really You
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  Speaker 7: see a lot of people go, well, books are gay
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  Speaker 7: or books are you know, and it's like what's happened
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  Speaker 7: to humanity? Yeah, and there's there's there's nothing quite like
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  Speaker 7: a book. I don't think. Agree with the book you have,
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  Speaker 7: like the way the pages smell. You have you have
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  Speaker 7: to you know, you have these you have to turn
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  Speaker 7: the pages, you have to interact with it.
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  Speaker 5: You have to like, yeah, yeah, you got to like
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  Speaker 5: you got to exchange energy with the actual book.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So I wish we could do like a little sit
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  Speaker 7: around like read the thing. But and I do have
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  Speaker 7: actually a lot of physical copies, especially of the Hall
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  Speaker 7: treaties that we really the beginning of the show was
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  Speaker 7: just us covering these manly p Hall okay, yeah, a
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  Speaker 7: little little short books. But then it turned into something
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  Speaker 7: much bigger, and now it's become a big part of
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  Speaker 7: what Great Pilled is considering, you know, my my spiritual path.
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  Speaker 6: So cool, cool, yeah, right, thank you. I'll come back
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  Speaker 6: to you. I got something to throw your way.
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  Speaker 5: But Brandon, let's go with you, buddy, what what would
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  Speaker 5: you like to tell everyone about yourself?
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  Speaker 7: Nice?
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  Speaker 14: Welcome one and all to this fine evening with this
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  Speaker 14: great panel. I'd like to say, if everyone hasn't, they
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  Speaker 14: should have heard of the occult rejects and all of
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  Speaker 14: us clans of rejects. It's a fascinating conversation we tend
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  Speaker 14: to have on a consistent basis because mainstream media is
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  Speaker 14: always trying to tether us as being Dixon demons, as
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  Speaker 14: the Great Nick Cardinal is always telling us, but that's
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  Speaker 14: not what are all about. This is about the reality
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  Speaker 14: of the soul. I am from the magas in the media,
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  Speaker 14: just magas in the media. We're all great magi if
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  Speaker 14: we tune in, turn on, and don't drop out, but
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  Speaker 14: drop into the embodied experience. And that's basically what magas
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  Speaker 14: in the media is all about. Myth, magic and meaning
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  Speaker 14: and realizing that fiction is bleeding into reality, or that
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  Speaker 14: reality is finding give way to the great fiction that
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  Speaker 14: we are all experiencing. And I think as well as
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  Speaker 14: I think many of us believe the only way to
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  Speaker 14: truly break free from the matrix is.
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  Speaker 15: To do what kung fu and learn magic.
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  Speaker 14: And so that's basically what I think the great red
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  Speaker 14: pill for all of existences is if we can find
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  Speaker 14: the embodied experience and.
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  Speaker 15: Be able to truly break free.
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  Speaker 14: Is to break in and not be afraid of the
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  Speaker 14: freedom that we all have within.
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  Speaker 6: That's mine.
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  Speaker 7: I love that.
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  Speaker 6: It's a great free We got to break in, Okay.
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  Speaker 13: But you also have a lot of Sorry, I don't
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  Speaker 13: want him to leave out some of the best things
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  Speaker 13: about himself on the show, which which I noticed Jules
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  Speaker 13: did for himself too. You the platonism and stuff and
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  Speaker 13: all that. I mean, you're you're a wealth of knowledge
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  Speaker 13: when it comes to that stuff. Don't you get into
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  Speaker 13: that a lot? I mean, yeah, that is a part
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  Speaker 13: of what you get into I do.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Nick.
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  Speaker 14: It is so I um myself just to you know,
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  Speaker 14: breakout of a grand announcer is that I have degrees
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  Speaker 14: in philosophy, philosophy and classical literature as well as I
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  Speaker 14: teach martial arts during the daytime, and so in my channel,
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  Speaker 14: I'm continually breaking us down into uh, basically, how to
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  Speaker 14: tap into philosophia. Philosophia it's another way of magic to
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  Speaker 14: be able. It's like an ancient form of magic, to
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  Speaker 14: truly find the introspective and reflection of reality and to
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  Speaker 14: tap into the great uh.
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  Speaker 15: As Jim would say, the aon of Sophia.
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  Speaker 14: But Sophia as this there's something that sits in consort
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  Speaker 14: with the masculine aon of the Cristos, and these two
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  Speaker 14: together you can tap into, as Aros's name states, aos
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  Speaker 14: up divine passion of madness as we try to transend.
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  Speaker 7: But that's not.
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  Speaker 15: Truly what we're trying to do. This is a word
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  Speaker 15: that gets mixed up a lot.
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  Speaker 14: Is that we don't want to transcend too much because
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  Speaker 14: we want to truly just become human. And that's a
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  Speaker 14: lot of things that I've been talking about so on
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  Speaker 14: my channel as well, I interview a lot of individuals,
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  Speaker 14: scholars and philosophers and practitioneers, and what I'm trying to
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  Speaker 14: do is I'm trying to find basically this throughway on
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  Speaker 14: this map of how modernity has lost its way in
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  Speaker 14: this functionalist, mechanistic postmodern worldview where meaning has been grasped
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  Speaker 14: away from reality and this dystopian surveillance state is basically
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  Speaker 14: being built all around us. And the ways to I
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  Speaker 14: think battle against the great art cons of the transhumanist,
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  Speaker 14: parasitic old Garcic class is to do exactly what all
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  Speaker 14: of these fellow rejects are talking about on all of
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  Speaker 14: their channels. Which is why we get along so well,
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  Speaker 14: is because we're all trying to in our own way,
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  Speaker 14: not only help ourselves by also talking about the things
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  Speaker 14: that basically aren't being talked about in the mainstream, and
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  Speaker 14: then we all kind of break away into our own
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  Speaker 14: worldviews through our own nervous system. Because I've been highly
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  Speaker 14: affected by two things in my life, which is high
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  Speaker 14: dosages of entheogens in my younger twenties philosophy. And then
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  Speaker 14: that other one is the band tool And so I
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  Speaker 14: think that if we have the ability to unmk alter
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  Speaker 14: ourselves in this great inverted, dark republic that we're in,
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  Speaker 14: then we can become more than the animal state that
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  Speaker 14: people want to always basically stay within, and just become human.
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  Speaker 15: And so then I'm a channel.
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  Speaker 14: I'm doing video essays and I'm breaking down the science
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  Speaker 14: fiction and the fantasy. I'm a huge mong a nerd,
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  Speaker 14: and so I love anime and manga and comic books
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  Speaker 14: because the idea is that we're trying to become our
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  Speaker 14: own anime characters, the highest epitome of what a human
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  Speaker 14: can be, and tap into these extraordinary states of consciousness
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  Speaker 14: through magic and kung fu, which are basically two things
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  Speaker 14: of this two different words for the same thing. As
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  Speaker 14: I as I try to say so thank you Nick
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  Speaker 14: for helping me expand.
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  Speaker 10: On that.
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  Speaker 5: I saw a I saw Parabolists. The other are a
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  Speaker 5: few weeks ago, Tool cover Band from Montreal. Nice Ethan,
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  Speaker 5: You're up, buddy, good to see you again.
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  Speaker 16: Well, peace to everybody, and let me just underline what
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  Speaker 16: everyone's just said that to really follow the whole crew
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  Speaker 16: because everyone brings such amazing information. A lot of it
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  Speaker 16: might be divergent, a lot of it more mostly overlaps.
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  Speaker 16: And I joke, you don't need Ai, you need Oi.
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  Speaker 16: You need the occult intelligence that we form. I believe
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  Speaker 16: it's a great, great mix of authentic human beings that
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  Speaker 16: we have here. I am an author and uh interested
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  Speaker 16: in spirituality since before I really knew what the concept was,
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  Speaker 16: I suppose and uh I I am also a tai
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  Speaker 16: Chi practitioner like Brandon, and a meditator. And I've written
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  Speaker 16: about sacred geometry and Tahodi thoth and even exoteric politics
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  Speaker 16: as well. And uh again, I appreciate everyone, and thank
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  Speaker 16: you Nick for putting together all this and doing what
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  Speaker 16: you do.
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  Speaker 6: Nick, You're up, buddy.
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  Speaker 13: Uh yeah. Also, Ethan's got a fuck ton of books.
• 18:51
  Speaker 13: He never promotes either, so I'm just going to mention
• 18:54
  Speaker 13: that for him. He has a lot of books. You
• 18:56
  Speaker 13: should go check it out. He's a prolific writer. He
• 18:58
  Speaker 13: just doesn't want to admit it.
• 19:01
  Speaker 11: Me.
• 19:01
  Speaker 13: Uh who I yeah, next from the occult rejects? Uh,
• 19:07
  Speaker 13: I mean, I don't try to really ride off the
• 19:09
  Speaker 13: whole ex OTO member anymore. But that is part of
• 19:11
  Speaker 13: my story. But uh, I am too like into the kabbala.
• 19:15
  Speaker 13: I try to mix a science with magic. I'm very
• 19:19
  Speaker 13: much into, uh you know, the academia side as well.
• 19:25
  Speaker 13: I try to cover things that are a little bit
• 19:27
  Speaker 13: more out of the out of the box kind of
• 19:29
  Speaker 13: when it comes to my solo stuff and when it
• 19:32
  Speaker 13: comes to the occult rejects, like when we have groups
• 19:34
  Speaker 13: like this, uh, you know, everybody is different and everybody
• 19:38
  Speaker 13: has their own their own specialty. And I know I've
• 19:43
  Speaker 13: joked around and said before, but like I really do
• 19:45
  Speaker 13: mean it, and like it really is kind of very
• 19:48
  Speaker 13: much like the same thing as Wu Tang clan. Everybody
• 19:52
  Speaker 13: here has their own outlet as well. They're able to
• 19:54
  Speaker 13: stand on their own and be able to do their
• 19:56
  Speaker 13: own without being here. You know, they're all really good
• 20:00
  Speaker 13: at what they're doing in their own way, and we
• 20:03
  Speaker 13: get to come together and I think it's it's an
• 20:05
  Speaker 13: amazing experience. And I could even say at this point
• 20:07
  Speaker 13: with everybody that's on the show, I could actually say,
• 20:09
  Speaker 13: I'm like really proud to actually be surrounded by these
• 20:12
  Speaker 13: individuals because I don't know it all, you know what
• 20:15
  Speaker 13: I'm saying, Like back in the day, you had to
• 20:17
  Speaker 13: be a polymath to really understand what the hell is
• 20:19
  Speaker 13: going on, and I ain't no polymaths, So that's why
• 20:20
  Speaker 13: I got everybody else to.
• 20:22
  Speaker 10: You know, maybe we could all form one at the end.
• 20:25
  Speaker 13: Of the day, you know, but uh, yeah, that's my thing,
• 20:30
  Speaker 13: you know. In a little bit like kind of like
• 20:31
  Speaker 13: Jules was saying, a major part of the show is
• 20:34
  Speaker 13: to demystify the occult. It's not as bad as everybody
• 20:36
  Speaker 13: thinks it is. I do believe you can actually have
• 20:40
  Speaker 13: a conscious contact with God or whatever you want to
• 20:42
  Speaker 13: call it, and that can change you for the better.
• 20:45
  Speaker 13: I think I actually at that moment, that's when you
• 20:47
  Speaker 13: really have to make a decision. Am I going to
• 20:49
  Speaker 13: become a better person with this or am I going
• 20:50
  Speaker 13: to manipulate individuals? But I think when you have that experience,
• 20:54
  Speaker 13: you are given an option to really do something great
• 20:57
  Speaker 13: for the world and try to help people. And that's
• 21:00
  Speaker 13: kind of what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to
• 21:01
  Speaker 13: show people there's a way to have an experience with God,
• 21:04
  Speaker 13: and a lot of the material out there that shows
• 21:06
  Speaker 13: you that is not as bad as it is. Like
• 21:08
  Speaker 13: somebody said earlier, it's not Old Dixon demons.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: You know, that's right.
• 21:13
  Speaker 10: So uh yeah, that's what I you know, trying.
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: That's getting put on a shirt fairly soon.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: I'll bout that shut cool man, Uh cool, and uh
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: my boy, that's Burke.
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: Thank you for being here man.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: For those on the call reject side watching, and uh
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: yeah for those who are new, tell us a little
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: bit about yourself, my bro.
• 21:40
  Speaker 12: Uh just uh, you know, work on this show with you, Jordan.
• 21:48
  Speaker 12: You know kind of I don't have like a deep
• 21:52
  Speaker 12: background and you know, a cult practice or anything like that,
• 21:55
  Speaker 12: but uh, you know, I I have a sense of
• 21:58
  Speaker 12: how these things, you know, relate with uh you know,
• 22:02
  Speaker 12: deep history and you know kind of the way that
• 22:07
  Speaker 12: you know, the you know kind of more deep you know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 12: deeper workings of you know, like the human experience and
• 22:17
  Speaker 12: you know, are predicated on a lot of these things.
• 22:19
  Speaker 12: So I'm looking forward to having this chat with you guys.
• 22:23
  Speaker 12: You know, I definitely like watched your show, you know,
• 22:27
  Speaker 12: and uh just uh yeah, AP appreciate uh you know,
• 22:31
  Speaker 12: being being in the mix with you guys.
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: It's good to have you dude.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: Right on.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: Well there we go, now that we got that done,
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: next time we do a big panel like this, we
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: can refer them to this episode for introductions.
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: Did you get son right? Son right? Did you ever go?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 22:53
  Speaker 10: You did?
• 22:54
  Speaker 11: Right?
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 22:56
  Speaker 10: Okay?
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: Anyone?
• 22:59
  Speaker 11: Yeah?
• 23:00
  Speaker 10: No, no, no, no.
• 23:00
  Speaker 15: Because Judith, Yeah, what about the loon?
• 23:05
  Speaker 14: No?
• 23:05
  Speaker 15: No, oh you are sharply nice.
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: Way better than me. Jud I can't help it, dude.
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: You have to understand my intros of some of my
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: shows at thirty minutes, like for music and like themes.
• 23:20
  Speaker 15: Oh we know, you know, we know, we know, we
• 23:25
  Speaker 15: watch we see.
• 23:28
  Speaker 10: Him and put them back to back.
• 23:34
  Speaker 14: Well, I think what actually is a great start not
• 23:36
  Speaker 14: to take over here, but is actually you should tell
• 23:40
  Speaker 14: us what you think of the occult and what magic is,
• 23:43
  Speaker 14: and then we can respond and set you straight. Oh man,
• 23:48
  Speaker 14: so yeah, let's go tell us, jeez, okay, on the spot, Jordan,
• 23:55
  Speaker 14: let's get it.
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: I mean when I think it's cult, I mean there's
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: so many different things that I kind of think of, really,
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: you know, like you think of like secret societies, You
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: think of symbols, you know, secret handshakes, secret orders, rituals
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: or magic, a lot of the stuff that everyone kind
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: of mentioned going around the table. But like if I
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: This is interesting though. If if you were to ask me, like,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: what is it? I mean, I could give you like
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: an AI or you know, a shitty definition.
• 24:39
  Speaker 15: Don't do that.
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: No, no, exactly, I don't do that. But no, what
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: were so bouncing it back to you? What?
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: What should the average person know, the everyday Joe who
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: doesn't uh buddy that stuff, who doesn't even necessarily listen
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: to podcasts about it, you know, no knowledge? What should
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: their basic understandings be of like the like you said,
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: the definition of a cult?
• 25:18
  Speaker 15: Yeah and yeah, okay, nice, let me let me jump
• 25:21
  Speaker 15: in here, Brad.
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: You got.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Quite a while already, so I'll just do a quick
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: short one. I think magic happens in your mind.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I think you should.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: Everybody should meditate, everybody should get your mind right. And
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: you can travel to chaos or travel astral travel if
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: you want to be really vulgar. And yeah, I do
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: think faith is important. Like, I'd love to hear what
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: I'm actually interested in asking Saturi a question. I don't
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: know if it's like putting him on the spot, but
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: like he talked about how he sort of modified his
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: approach to chaos magic to include more of a spirituality
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: or a religious framework, and because I'm a contrac Buddhist
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: and Contribuddhism is very similar because it's posttheistic in many ways.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying I don't believe in the supernatural or spirits,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: but I tend to, especially when I'm on panel shows,
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: and Nick knows, as everybody who's paneled with me knows this.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: I tend to issue things like ghosts, gross overt acts
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: of magic, and like spirits in general, or deities even
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: just simply because I use a posttheistic framework myself. So
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: it's it would be incorrect to say that for me,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: at least in the way I describe magic, to say
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: that it is from it, something borrowed. I actually think
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: it comes from us. I think it's from our inner luminosity.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: I think you have to cultivate that. I think it's
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: really hard work. I don't think it's like happens overnight.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: But I do think that everybody can, you know, do
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: the basics and meditate and like figure out a way
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: to sort of rest in primordial consciousness and then and
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: then you can do and do real stuff.
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: Really, And I'd say that anything that is manifested, either
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: you don't you know, unintentionally or through magic, through ritual
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: and practice. It originates it first comes from that mental zone, right,
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: that mental plane, which is why emotions are they can
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: really they can affect your life very heavily, how how
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: you view things, your perception of things. And yeah, the
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: mental plane is you know, like you said, you want
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: to get your shit together and get your head on straight.
• 27:29
  Speaker 14: Well, then another thing I was thinking of when I
• 27:32
  Speaker 14: was even asking the question is the idea so people
• 27:34
  Speaker 14: can understand the differentiation between the exoteric and the esoteric.
• 27:38
  Speaker 15: It's like when you go to a church, right, you
• 27:41
  Speaker 15: go to church.
• 27:42
  Speaker 14: And you know, you read the Bible and you're going
• 27:44
  Speaker 14: through or you know, IF's the you're going to Just
• 27:47
  Speaker 14: for the example, is that you have a pre a
• 27:49
  Speaker 14: priest at the front of the pulpit giving his dictation
• 27:53
  Speaker 14: of psalms or sermons or whatever it is, and the
• 27:56
  Speaker 14: people sit in the pews and then they will let
• 27:59
  Speaker 14: whatever wash over them. They sing, and then they leave
• 28:01
  Speaker 14: and then they don't think about it anymore. The esoteric,
• 28:04
  Speaker 14: that's that's for the masses. Exoteric is for the masses.
• 28:06
  Speaker 14: The esoteric is for the select few. And that's not
• 28:08
  Speaker 14: like an aristocratic type of thing where it's like hierarchy really,
• 28:13
  Speaker 14: But the idea is that underneath the surface of those things,
• 28:17
  Speaker 14: you instead of being in the in the pews and
• 28:19
  Speaker 14: as the masses, you become the priest, You become the magi,
• 28:24
  Speaker 14: and you become somebody who is actually seeking out Gnosis.
• 28:27
  Speaker 15: Is what they call it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 14: They call it the direct experience of of of Ofness,
• 28:33
  Speaker 14: of God, of the universal whatever these things are, of
• 28:35
  Speaker 14: the natural forces. And so it's like letting the ritual
• 28:40
  Speaker 14: of your the orthodoxy of the you know, of the
• 28:42
  Speaker 14: Catholic rituals, or of the ceremonial rituals of your everyday
• 28:46
  Speaker 14: experience kind of wash over you and you tap into
• 28:49
  Speaker 14: something else. I think it's an easy way of trying
• 28:53
  Speaker 14: to describe it that you are trying to directly experience
• 28:57
  Speaker 14: the newmanous aspects of the ecsthetic experiences of divinity or
• 29:03
  Speaker 14: whatever that is for you with your nervous system.
• 29:08
  Speaker 11: Yeah. I would also say that it's about a lot
• 29:12
  Speaker 11: of the time connecting to this higher image of ourselves
• 29:16
  Speaker 11: that's repeating trope or in doing so, like connecting to
• 29:24
  Speaker 11: this higher part of yourself or in connecting with this
• 29:30
  Speaker 11: like higher layer of reality you kind of in doing that,
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: it changes your external world as well, because there's like
• 29:43
  Speaker 11: this recursive relationship between the self and the universe, and
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: it's just tapping into that.
• 29:51
  Speaker 10: Mhm.
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: It's the micro macro errors. Yeah, yeah, and it's that
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: it's the allegory of pulling your sword from the stone, right,
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: you're gravitating more towards your higher self or your higher.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Being and to just jump off something that Jewels was
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: talking about. I agree with what Jewels and Arrows just
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: said one hundred percent, but I think it's also about
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: like Jewels bring up books, like how much he loves
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: books and how his shows turned largely into sort of
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: this study of his own ideas of mysticism in the world. Well,
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: that's very Bina, right, Like that's like when you're reading
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: the text, it's the black ink on the white page.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: That is, if you are actually engaging with it at
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: like an intellectual level, that is been that is how
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: you are understanding it. The experiential things, like the things
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: that you might think of or associate with it correspondences.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: That is hope, mod that is wisdom, right, Aero said
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: it in the chat. So when you bring those two
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: things together experiential wisdom and intellectual book knowledge, maybe religious
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: even textual knowledge that creates death. I would posit that
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: death nondual nosis, as Brandon said, is not on the tree.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: I know a lot of hermetic cabalists place it on
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: the tree. A lot of post loriianickabbalists actually take it
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: away because it's actually something that you go to within
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: your mind. So this also references what Aros is saying.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: There is a direct diological relationship diological and using that
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: word very specifically, because the word is magical. Pretty much
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: all religious traditions, no matter if they're jungle magic or
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: high ceremonial magic, we all pretty much agree that the
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: word is magic.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Now, how do you activate it? How do you engage it?
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: That is the real sort of points of differentiation between
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: traditional esoteric systems and like what you where you imagine
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: the word to arise. So in Buddhism, we would say
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: the word arises in the primordial space. That's why you
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: have to meditate, get your mind right, get yourself able
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: to sort of go there there, and then once the
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: word arises, then you can interact with it in that
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: diological way that Eros was talking about, because you can
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: also imagine that as your higher self, So you're going
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: to ride the chariot or ride the arrow all the way.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: There's not really a pun, but it kind of is.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: It's a joke on Samak, which is the secret letter
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: between Yessod and Tiffert. So the sun and the moon,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: you want to go beyond that into the space that
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: is infinite basically, And it's.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: The a on of the daughter Brandon. You know that
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: you said that on purpose.
• 32:21
  Speaker 15: Yeah, it's true.
• 32:26
  Speaker 11: Oh sorry, I was gonna say. It's also worth mentioning that.
• 32:32
  Speaker 11: It's it's also about like resolving karma if you want
• 32:35
  Speaker 11: to use that word, like resolving this saturnian sticky stuff,
• 32:40
  Speaker 11: and then like doing like soul level self authorship in
• 32:48
  Speaker 11: a way like and then like having this conscious like uh,
• 32:59
  Speaker 11: I don't know, relationship with like your own fate.
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: To piggyback on what Jin was mentioning about the word.
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: If you look at all ancient texts popular religion, the
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: ones that we basically feed on for knowledge on spiritual work,
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: every one of them mentions the word. So if you
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: look at a cult, a cult is understanding the meaning
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: between the words, not just the word itself, but understanding
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: and come to coming to a clarity of what is
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: really intended by using those words.
• 33:46
  Speaker 16: And man I add to that that I feel like
• 33:49
  Speaker 16: the occult is in fact a broad term for the
• 33:54
  Speaker 16: study of the mind and the you know, the grammar
• 33:59
  Speaker 16: of the world, the word of understanding, the mysteries. And
• 34:07
  Speaker 16: as all these things are occulted, one of the things
• 34:11
  Speaker 16: we should consider is the reason why they are hidden
• 34:16
  Speaker 16: is because of the power of the mind, right, And
• 34:19
  Speaker 16: so that's I think a big important lesson as to
• 34:23
  Speaker 16: why there are occulted schematics that could drive self empowerment
• 34:29
  Speaker 16: and so forth and so on. It's hidden because it's useful,
• 34:33
  Speaker 16: I think.
• 34:35
  Speaker 14: And as much as we're talking about the mind, which
• 34:37
  Speaker 14: I completely agree with both Ethan and Jin when they
• 34:39
  Speaker 14: speak of like magic happens within the mind, it's a
• 34:42
  Speaker 14: really important thing to get back to the idea is
• 34:45
  Speaker 14: that the separation the dualism that Cartesian philosophy and the
• 34:49
  Speaker 14: Enlightenment period did to us is it separated mind from body.
• 34:53
  Speaker 14: And so truly, I think when you are on the
• 34:55
  Speaker 14: path of apotheosis or your gnostic awakening, awakening means that
• 34:59
  Speaker 14: you have have a body that has a soul and
• 35:03
  Speaker 14: you know, like it's an integration of an embodied experience.
• 35:06
  Speaker 14: Why Hidiger called it being there or do sign or
• 35:09
  Speaker 14: being in the world is because we can't get away
• 35:11
  Speaker 14: from the world. And so magic, as Crowley with states,
• 35:15
  Speaker 14: the art and science of causing change and conformity to
• 35:18
  Speaker 14: one's will. It the art in science, as Nick was saying,
• 35:23
  Speaker 14: or as we you know, the art being that you
• 35:26
  Speaker 14: are within the world doing magic. We are humans in
• 35:30
  Speaker 14: an embodied experience. And so to understand that the mind
• 35:34
  Speaker 14: is within the universe, but the universe is within the mind,
• 35:38
  Speaker 14: we come to this Russian doll zen colon type of
• 35:42
  Speaker 14: thing where it's like, what's the sound of one hand clapping?
• 35:45
  Speaker 14: It's the idea that we are adherently have this contradiction
• 35:49
  Speaker 14: that we're trying to that we're trying to unite and unify,
• 35:54
  Speaker 14: and it's in that contradiction where magic is made. And
• 35:57
  Speaker 14: then as the great cobbalist Jin you know, is always
• 36:01
  Speaker 14: talking about on my on our streams together and just
• 36:04
  Speaker 14: in all things, I'm the same way a great cobblist
• 36:07
  Speaker 14: in and of myself. Jin and I are going to
• 36:09
  Speaker 14: have a debate in battle eventually, but you know, it's
• 36:12
  Speaker 14: like like Samurai Champloo gin versus Uh with his name Mougan.
• 36:18
  Speaker 15: Thank you.
• 36:18
  Speaker 14: It's going to be a beautiful We're gonna have low
• 36:20
  Speaker 14: fi hip hop playing new Jabis is all over the place.
• 36:22
  Speaker 14: Not my point, please, Nick, you actually have to.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Be the lot to clean up the slaughter.
• 36:30
  Speaker 15: Yeah, let's fucking go.
• 36:33
  Speaker 14: But the idea is that in even this that Jin
• 36:36
  Speaker 14: and I play this game of this contradiction. But once
• 36:39
  Speaker 14: we cross the Abyss, we find, as in a cabalistic
• 36:42
  Speaker 14: tree of life terms, we find a unification within the supernol,
• 36:45
  Speaker 14: which means is that like we are humans having this
• 36:48
  Speaker 14: experience in the world and Malkouth and the daughter because
• 36:51
  Speaker 14: this we are trying to awaken to our experience, and
• 36:54
  Speaker 14: that happens with more than just the mind. As we
• 36:57
  Speaker 14: know in our embodied practices, the mind is is getting
• 37:01
  Speaker 14: the body under control with our using our will power,
• 37:04
  Speaker 14: which is then at the highest forms of magic.
• 37:07
  Speaker 15: It is no.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Different than mysticism.
• 37:10
  Speaker 14: And these two things start to go wave back and
• 37:13
  Speaker 14: forth because we're at constant dissonance and harmony between these things.
• 37:18
  Speaker 14: And I just think that's the really important thing that
• 37:20
  Speaker 14: happens is like we want to get away. I think
• 37:22
  Speaker 14: from the transcendentalism of trying to become more than human.
• 37:27
  Speaker 14: I think personally through my readings of Doone, which I
• 37:30
  Speaker 14: think is really important all this is that that what
• 37:32
  Speaker 14: happens is we put our animal states under control so
• 37:35
  Speaker 14: we can fully become human. And it's also something I've
• 37:38
  Speaker 14: learned from Tool.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: But that's my.
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: I just want to role in like ten minutes. Guys,
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: I'm so sorry I have a leader ritual tonight, but
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: I'd want to answer Jen's question before I do that,
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: which might take me a moment, so so bear with
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: me here. So Jamie, you asked, you know, you wanted
• 37:54
  Speaker 9: me to explain the difference right or how they came
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: to be. So Pete and I, Pete Carroll and I,
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: we've been working on a book together for the last
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: couple of years, and Pete unfortunately passed away just a
• 38:04
  Speaker 9: few weeks ago. One of the things that I kind
• 38:07
  Speaker 9: of realized through that process with him was that something
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: put it this way. The core axiom of both chast
• 38:13
  Speaker 9: magic and chast Witchcraft, as I teach it, is that
• 38:15
  Speaker 9: belief is a tool. Right now, here's where we differ.
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: Pete is a very staunch materialist. He prescribed to the
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics. I am a panpsychist, and
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: I prescribe to the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics.
• 38:32
  Speaker 9: That's pretty much the entire difference. But as a pan psychist,
• 38:35
  Speaker 9: that allows for a lot of things that people tend
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: to chew if they are, you know, following the traditional
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: chast magic path. I mean astrology formal and astrology is
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: so real it hurts Pete hated astrology. A lot of
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: people hate astrology because it describes them far too accurately. Astrology,
• 38:54
  Speaker 9: to me, is is real as gravity, spirits dealing this
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: So what I you know, when people say spirit number one,
• 39:04
  Speaker 9: you could be having a conversation between five people who
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: all think they're talking about the same thing, and they're
• 39:07
  Speaker 9: definitely not. They have different definitions for what spirit is.
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: My definition of spirit is non physical organized consciousness existing
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: outside of the third dimension. Right, so, string theory tells
• 39:17
  Speaker 9: us there are eleven dimensions of physical reality. We live
• 39:20
  Speaker 9: in the third dimension. There's dimensions below and above us,
• 39:22
  Speaker 9: which is a belief that you'll find in almost every
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: religion as well. So if we're talking about non physical
• 39:28
  Speaker 9: organized consciousness and panpsychism and these things coexisting. Right, So
• 39:34
  Speaker 9: if consciousness is the fundamental substance from which all things arise,
• 39:38
  Speaker 9: which is what I believe. In fact, the core teaching
• 39:41
  Speaker 9: of the Order of Chaostic cult University is that we
• 39:44
  Speaker 9: call consciousness and what the ancient world called spirit are
• 39:47
  Speaker 9: exactly the same thing. There's just fundamentally no difference, except
• 39:52
  Speaker 9: the physics recognizes one and makes fun of the other,
• 39:55
  Speaker 9: and that I think is hilarious. So non physical organized consciousness,
• 39:59
  Speaker 9: which is what you you are, right, You are consciousness
• 40:01
  Speaker 9: inhabiting a body, wisconsciousness that doesn't inhabit a body, This
• 40:05
  Speaker 9: consciousness that used to inhabit a body. So all these
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: things work and fit perfectly into just as simply it
• 40:11
  Speaker 9: is a different framework of physics. And you know, Pete
• 40:13
  Speaker 9: when he passed was seventy three years old, and he
• 40:17
  Speaker 9: lived most of his life in a time of materialism,
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: was king. But the further we delve into quantum physics,
• 40:22
  Speaker 9: no matter which interpretation you prescribed to, the more we
• 40:24
  Speaker 9: realize that physical reality isn't all that physical to begin with,
• 40:28
  Speaker 9: the physicality is an illusion of the mind, and that
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: there is something that comes before that, which I would
• 40:36
  Speaker 9: call either consciousness or spirit doesn't matter the words, You're interchangeable.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Thanks Sondra, that was an amazing explanation.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: We are reading Anon for our Gray Logic book Club
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: right now, and I know that he did talk about
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: pan psychic universe, which I know Aros has some criticisms
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: of which is valid, as well as some of our
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: other co hosts. I had to sort of play defect
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: of some of Pete's ideas, not because I was necessarily
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: in total agreement. I agree with you that there is
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: a materialist sort of inclination to him. But I did
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: like Apafenny on that book in particular because I feel
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: like he was really sort of breaking out of where
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: he was really. I felt he was stuck in liber
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: K in the maths, in the Chaos Maths, and then
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: he's starting to talk about like Kball, He's starting to
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: like take, he sort of like flex his you know,
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: real super muscles in Apathy rather than like some of
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: the older materials. So that's what sort of excited me
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: about it, And I would love to hear what if
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: you have read that book and if you have any
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: sort of like wise words or closing thoughts for that.
• 41:44
  Speaker 9: I haven't read it yet. No, it's on my list.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Okay, well, I highly recommend it personally and I'll throw
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: it to Aro. So she wants to, you know, make
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: a make a statement on panpsychic universe. But I'm a
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Hyperspace Kingdom guy, so I consider it very similar.
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: You know, Pete was really invested in hyperspheric quiban cosmology.
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: That he was really he believed in it wholeheartedly most
• 42:09
  Speaker 9: of my So my knowledge of Pete is that we've
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: been emailing back and forth for two years. I've read
• 42:14
  Speaker 9: Lieber Nolan Psicher not obviously cyber Magic, and just an
• 42:19
  Speaker 9: absolute ton of his blogs, but I haven't read the
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: other books yet. I love Pete's work, but I got
• 42:26
  Speaker 9: when I try to read some of it, I feel like, Man,
• 42:28
  Speaker 9: I don't want to do math right now. This isn't fun.
• 42:32
  Speaker 9: It's it's just not the way that I want to
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: read about magic. So it was easier for me just
• 42:36
  Speaker 9: to interact with him. And because Wiser is the publisher
• 42:39
  Speaker 9: of my book published Pete's books as well, they put
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: us in touch, so I was able to just email
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: back and forth of them for the last few years.
• 42:45
  Speaker 9: Which is was meant to be a sequel to Interview
• 42:49
  Speaker 9: with the Wizard, and we're we're kind of working on
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: right now if we're going to actually publish.
• 42:52
  Speaker 14: That or not.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Again, thank you, I was hanging up a little bit.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: I was great anounced. Yeah, yeah, thank you for the question.
• 43:04
  Speaker 10: I'm so sorry.
• 43:04
  Speaker 9: I've got to run in a few minutes because I
• 43:06
  Speaker 9: have to lead a ritual to I have it.
• 43:08
  Speaker 12: I had a super cool I had a question for
• 43:10
  Speaker 12: you before you go. When you're talking about like chios
• 43:13
  Speaker 12: witchcraft and stuff, is that you know, similar to Discordianism.
• 43:17
  Speaker 12: I mean, are you affiliated with you know, Discordianism at all?
• 43:23
  Speaker 9: I read the Principi at Discordia many many many years ago.
• 43:27
  Speaker 10: Not really.
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: I mean like I as a as a human, like
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: me as an individual, I love absurdity. I love it
• 43:31
  Speaker 9: so much. But no, not not so much. Challo's witchcraft
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: is kind of a fusion of ancient wisdom and physics
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: and the belief that magic is real and the belief
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: is a tool. So you know a lot of things
• 43:49
  Speaker 9: that chast magic traditionally rejected, like astrology, hermetic philosophy. I mean,
• 43:55
  Speaker 9: not to say ritual in general. The correspondence, maybe a
• 43:58
  Speaker 9: lot of the things that Pete was kind of staunchly against.
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: I'm saying, well, why don't we, why don't we test
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: these things out and when they work, just incorporate them
• 44:05
  Speaker 9: in the framework and look for an explanation rather than
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: rejecting them. Kind of on principle.
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: I'd love to get you. I'd love to get you
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: on the show sometime and we can talk about this
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: a little deeper.
• 44:21
  Speaker 9: Man, Yeah, for sure, I'd love you.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Hum really interesting stuff.
• 44:28
  Speaker 9: I got for my ritual to my guys everyone thing.
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: But thank you so much for having me.
• 44:32
  Speaker 13: Thank you great to meet, Thank you very much, thanks
• 44:39
  Speaker 13: for inviting me.
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: And I've been following your YouTube channels as we talk,
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: so I'll get anyone I miss, I'll get them from.
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: Nick all the best summer.
• 44:49
  Speaker 10: Thanks.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Hm.
• 44:53
  Speaker 10: Cool.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: So, Jules, you're you're talking earlier about saboteurs and thought forms, servitors,
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: servitors Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah, what's that all about.
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: Let's go look in the tolpamancy, which comes from Tibetan
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: practices of meditation, and uh it came into it, it
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: came from Eastern mysticism into like theosophy. Through that whole
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: gate and uh, you know, so it is basically a
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: meditative thought form. Servitors would be something that would serve you, right,
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: would serve a purpose, It would do your bidding and so.
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: And Nick actually brought up that there are a lot
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: of ritualistic aspects behind creating these things as well. But
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: Jen brought up the mental plane earlier, and the mental body,
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: like I said, is one of the strongest things that
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: affects us here in the physical realm. That would be
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: you know, that's why so many people are intimidated through fear, right,
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: it's it's it's the strongest emotion. He can't convince me otherwise.
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: But uh, but yeah, no, so this is something that
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: you create through very concentrated meditation, right that There's some
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: people there's a ah, I mean, there's what's her name.
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: There's two females that that write extensively on at one
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: of them and I've talked about this on several episodes,
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: maybe even on The Occult Rejects. One of them created, uh,
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: she created a tulpa that looked like a like Friar
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: Tuck from Robin Hood, like he had the monk thing on,
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: which is a little like uh kind of like weird,
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: you know, a little morbid that it was a monk
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: that manifested. And then that may have started with good intention, right,
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: positive thinking or like high and uh, but later like
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: he started to appear to her guests that would come over,
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: and it's not any bassant, it's not any bassant. It
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: was the other I'll look for her name. But she
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: eventually had to do I don't know if if maybe
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: and maybe Nick can go a little further on this,
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: but I don't know if she had to do like
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: certain rights or rituals in order to because it started
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: to like fuck with her. It started to take on
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: its own personality. It started to be like a little
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: mischievous pull chairs out from under people. Now, this could
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: have just been some residual haunting, but I mean, taking
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: it from her word that she created this thing, it's
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: not I don't I don't know too many people that
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: would lie about that. And I'm trying to because this
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: happened back, you know, early twentieth century.
• 47:48
  Speaker 14: I always have this strange feeling like like these types of.
• 47:52
  Speaker 15: Things, like why why why create this thing?
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: Well, that's I think it was just in practice, right,
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: she was just doing this thing. She had learned about
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: from these Buddhist monks over into bed and trying to
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: emulate that, and what do you know, it got out
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: of hand. It's a practice. She's she's a Western woman,
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: you know. I mean, you know, so it's it's something
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: you have to.
• 48:14
  Speaker 15: Well, it's even on both sides.
• 48:16
  Speaker 14: I don't even care that as an Eastern practice it
• 48:17
  Speaker 14: or is a Western one, because they haven't in both
• 48:19
  Speaker 14: right the.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Idea of evocation of these things.
• 48:21
  Speaker 14: So I always wonder, like, like, no, for sure, but
• 48:25
  Speaker 14: my idea is that I'm like I'm coming to in
• 48:27
  Speaker 14: my own magical practices. It's like, is that for God working?
• 48:31
  Speaker 14: Like I'm not even talking about theorgy. I'm talking about
• 48:34
  Speaker 14: just like for the embetterment of your virtue, as like
• 48:37
  Speaker 14: myself being like a level of a phenomenological Platonist or whatever.
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: It is I am.
• 48:42
  Speaker 14: It's like, I wonder about the embodied experience of then
• 48:45
  Speaker 14: doing these evocations, is it making me a better person?
• 48:49
  Speaker 14: And I think there's a lot of these kind of
• 48:51
  Speaker 14: stories that make occultism seem like it's all sorcerer's apprentice stuff,
• 48:57
  Speaker 14: you know.
• 48:58
  Speaker 10: I think it's a really good point, Brandon.
• 49:00
  Speaker 13: I would even say for myself, and I've said plenty
• 49:03
  Speaker 13: of times that my ideas of magic has changed throughout
• 49:06
  Speaker 13: my magical career. I created this, I've made a server
• 49:09
  Speaker 13: tour before, and I did it very ritualistically and ceremonially, And.
• 49:13
  Speaker 10: I do believe I think, I think you have a
• 49:16
  Speaker 10: very good point here. I do believe. This is just
• 49:17
  Speaker 10: my opinion.
• 49:18
  Speaker 13: I know it's very harsh, but I do believe that
• 49:21
  Speaker 13: once you actually start doing stuff to change the world
• 49:24
  Speaker 13: around you, you're already getting into black magic. I think
• 49:27
  Speaker 13: at that point you're no longer really actually doing anything
• 49:30
  Speaker 13: to come in contact with God. You're just trying to
• 49:33
  Speaker 13: manipulate the world around you. Yeah, yeah, that's you know,
• 49:37
  Speaker 13: so I would agree, like maybe there is some kind
• 49:40
  Speaker 13: of server tool that could be made for a spiritual reason,
• 49:42
  Speaker 13: But I see what you're getting at, Like that, to me,
• 49:45
  Speaker 13: that would just be like really trying to create something
• 49:48
  Speaker 13: serious to change yeah outside world, you know, because that's
• 49:52
  Speaker 13: why I did it for sure.
• 49:55
  Speaker 12: Yeah, pardon that ignorance. Like when you're referring to servitors,
• 50:01
  Speaker 12: would that be like Saint Germain? Would that be like
• 50:04
  Speaker 12: an example.
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: No, no, no, of a uh an ascended master.
• 50:11
  Speaker 14: Actually I'm interested in what Jen has to say because
• 50:13
  Speaker 14: I know Contra deals with a lot of Can you
• 50:16
  Speaker 14: can you give me what you think about this idea
• 50:17
  Speaker 14: of a server Twarthrop please?
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: Well, I think jew I think Jeeles did a great job.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: To be honest, I'm not I'm not just saying that,
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: but I think Jeels did a great job. And I
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: think that he also said, like the theosophical gait, that's true.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: People will ascribe it to Buddhism or specifically Vadriana or
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: contrac Buddhism, it's not really we do have the idea,
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: it's similar, but it's really basically distilled in theosophy. So
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: that was a great call, Jules, you know, for the
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: epistem I agree with that. So basically, yes, we do
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: do deity what we call Maha yoga practices. Now I'm
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: saying deity. And then I went on this long tirade
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: about twenty minutes ago about how I'm post theistic and
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: we don't I don't deal with spirits and all this,
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: and that is true, but we do have these idea
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: of Buddhas like they what are they? So I'm not
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: going to get into that, but it's onto logical rather
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: than cosmological.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: So it really is.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: Urgical in a way, like you are increasing your self
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: luminosity and your own clarity, like to bring up something
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: what Judas said, like you want to increase your clarity
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: upon the primordial ground, like when you're seated in meditation,
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: you're trying to go what the scientologists would call going clear. Like, yes,
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: that is kind of the idea, especially if you practice
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: like Zogchin. I don't practice auctionin but you'll hear a
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: lot of people who do practice auction. We'll talk about
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: like this idea of the clarity or luminousness of light.
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: So for us sometimes, yes, you will cultivate a deity. Again,
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: I'm saying a deity, but it's a Buddhist deity, it's
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: a Buddha. So you are cultivating those qualities. And like
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: what Nick was saying about activity, that's what we would
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: call it in contrab Buddhism. You can do activity in
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: a close surgical way, so you are improving yourself, but
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: you're also sending it out to do magical acts. Now,
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: is the Buddha part of your mind?
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Yes? Is it one hundred percent part of your mind?
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: No?
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: And this is.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Where I sort of take a different approach from some
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: Buddhists and some chaos magicians. I think most things arise
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: in your consciousness, but I don't think it's all consciousness.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: It's all I don't think it's all our consciousness. I
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: think there's degrees of you know, we live in a multiverse.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: That's pretty basic in tontra, like, you have to accept
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: that idea. That's why I can also accept a lot
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: of ideas of chaos magic, because again they're very similar.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: So really, if you're creating a thought form, you're creating
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: the Buddhist deity. That's what you're visualizing with specific it's
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: very specific. It's not just like imaginal sort of like
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: you know RP. Gordon White, But like I think he
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: was talking about something a little different than what I'm
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: talking about. He's talking about like imaginal realm sort of meanderings.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about writing the ether wave or like being
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: in like that sort of pristine clarity of mind. But
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: then you're also doing something else, Like I said, it's diological.
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: You're going between the moon and the sun if you
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: want to use gross outer astrology. But that's yes and different,
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: and you're sort of as Gurdjief would say, I'm just
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: gonna use a Gurdjeif term, although it's a kind of
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: a joke that I'm saying it, but he always talks
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: about thrusts, right, like that's the idea, but that is
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: the idea. Also in Tondra Buddhism, we call it vega
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: vajravega the diamond, thunder, arrow, chariot velocity. That's a good
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: way to describe it. So it's it's sort of an
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: upward movement, an upward movement to the secret gait. So
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: you are doing something, you are implicating yourself in the world.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: But like what Aeros was saying, a big part of
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: what differentiates tntra from just like any other sorcery is
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: the preoccupation with karma. You are to firstly clear your
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: own karmas and not just clear them, but also recognize
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: your karma impact in the world before you undertake magical activity.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: So the magic stuff really comes a lot later for
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: most people. Although you can use that magical activity, Buddhist
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: magical activity to clear karma, but it takes some skill
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: to like do it without like fucking yourself up or
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: really you know, going crazy because a lot of the
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: practices are very difficult. I'm just gonna say, and has
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: nothing to do with sex or anything like crazy. I
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: know everybody loves that, and like, oh, there's a lot
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: of left hand path people who you know, will go
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: on podcasts and talk about.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Like contra is that transgressive?
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: You know, Marga, And yeah, there are left hand path elements,
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: but it's nothing. It's really nothing like how people represent it.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: And it's a complete market in and of itself. Like
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: I don't really need to call myself a chaos magician
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: because it already exists for me. But I like the
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: chaos magic materials because it actually gives me like a
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: way to speak to other Western occultists, just like Kabala did.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: That's how that's even why I learned Kabbala to begin
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: with to explain my own contric experiences, so I had
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: to learn how to translate it into a Western magical language.
• 55:08
  Speaker 16: May I pose maybe a potential reason for how they
• 55:13
  Speaker 16: got confused with the Buddhist creation of agrigors and so
• 55:19
  Speaker 16: forth and servitors in the idea of the hungry ghosts,
• 55:27
  Speaker 16: which is kind of an arconic force of the Buddhist tradition.
• 55:32
  Speaker 16: And I think very much mirrors the North American concept
• 55:38
  Speaker 16: of the two hearted or two hearts mainly from the
• 55:42
  Speaker 16: Southwest Native Americans, that we're feeding off of other systems
• 55:49
  Speaker 16: and yet could not have their hunger quenched. And it
• 55:55
  Speaker 16: seems to me that these are very much arcontic forces.
• 55:59
  Speaker 16: And instead of posing how we create a force to
• 56:05
  Speaker 16: do X, y and Z for us? What about what
• 56:08
  Speaker 16: about this question? How do we get so rooted and
• 56:13
  Speaker 16: grounded that when we do deal with temptations of Mara
• 56:19
  Speaker 16: and or all these hungry ghosts and parasitic arcontic forces,
• 56:25
  Speaker 16: how do we be so grounded that it is, you know,
• 56:30
  Speaker 16: a water off a duck type of thing. I feel
• 56:34
  Speaker 16: like that's a parallel idea to the idea of creating
• 56:37
  Speaker 16: these servitors, if you will, is dealing with these non
• 56:42
  Speaker 16: physical energies.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: Right, hungry ghosts are in your own mind, we are
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: the hungry ghosts in one way of thinking, right at
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: one layer of reality, at least multiple shed.
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: The hungry ghosts, you know, like you can.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: Defeat the hungry ghost You can defeat them, Yeah, like
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: a klipa like a shell, like aggregate.
• 57:04
  Speaker 14: And people are possessed by the hungry ghosts. So people
• 57:06
  Speaker 14: hung can like you know what I mean like that, Yes,
• 57:11
  Speaker 14: that's exactly.
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: It setting you're shedding your lower.
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: Nature, yes exactly, but you have to recognize that Like
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: in TNTRA, we don't say your lower natures are evil.
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: They are utilized to trans like very much like a
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: lot of Western magic. They are utilized to transmute into
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: greater magical activity or into third like I'm saying post surgical,
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: but I'll just use surgy because that everybody understands what
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: that means. So you are using it to build that
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: kind of inner luminosity. You can transmute it, but you're
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: getting into increasingly difficult like rights when you're talking about
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: this and really at the inner layer of TNTRA, the
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: rights all happen in your mind palace. I know everybody
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: on like TikTok and Twitter and everybody loves this idea of.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: The mind palace, which comes from Buddhism obviously.
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: But that word in like two years, I don't know
• 58:02
  Speaker 7: who came on to talk about that, but I had
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: a discussion about the mind palace and like setting up
• 58:07
  Speaker 7: the mind palace right, like you.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Well, that's where you're primary that's where your primary ritual
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: activity takes place in contra instead of like how people
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: would describe it as like this great like as I said,
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: it's not the transgressive like sex magic that people think
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: of it as. Metis right, it is about it's about
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: the mind palace. You can call it that too.
• 58:32
  Speaker 14: Whatever the calling is. That's yeah, exactly, because you're doing
• 58:34
  Speaker 14: your ritual within the mind, like all the ritual out
• 58:36
  Speaker 14: here out here is actually then placed within the mind
• 58:40
  Speaker 14: at the same time, you know what I mean.
• 58:41
  Speaker 15: So it's like yeah, anyway.
• 58:44
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's like you have to fill your emptiness with yourself.
• 58:49
  Speaker 11: But I wanted to say just on maybe some argument
• 58:55
  Speaker 11: for servitors, which this isn't how I would go about it,
• 59:00
  Speaker 11: but you can use servitors to like reprogram your subconscious
• 59:05
  Speaker 11: or something, and so there are ways that you could
• 59:09
  Speaker 11: use it for like for good yeah.
• 59:12
  Speaker 7: Good intentions. Yeah, absolutely, Like I think Juds said something
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: earlier about she ended it with the intention of something,
• 59:17
  Speaker 7: and it's like something I usually touch on I haven't
• 59:20
  Speaker 7: touched on a while. We talk a lot about intention
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: and how that's the key behind all magic, right or
• 59:28
  Speaker 7: whatever you're doing, whatever kind of spiritual practice you do.
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: But yeah, I agree, I concur.
• 59:38
  Speaker 8: Jill's I have a question about the woman you were
• 59:40
  Speaker 8: talking about. She obstructed how.
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: I don't so her name is Alexandra David neil Her
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: and Annie Bessant that I think they were acolytes of
• 59:53
  Speaker 7: Lavatski and Intibetan Buddhism, highly advanced monks. Or said the
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: manage physical bodies, Tolkuskus has extensions of themselves to help others.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 7: Oh so there you go, Arrows. Yeah, people are like
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: creating the servitors to maybe help.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 7: It may have been when I can't remember the guy's name, Nick,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: who came on to talk about mythrs. Oh, I don't
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 7: remember Alexander or no, I'm thinking I'm just repeating this
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: a little Polish, dude, I can't remember the guy's name.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 7: But Army of Mithraic Tulpas is basically what like these
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 7: elite classes, these Venetian banking families and stuff, they were
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 7: having their own mythras cults. Because I I believe that
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: came later after the worship of Sabasias. I think that's hidden.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: We're not going to get off on that tangent. But
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 7: but yeah, no, I I think she may have been
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 7: studying with other.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 11: You know.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, let me just say this really quick jolls
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: about Alexandra David Neil. So, she was technically the first
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: Westerner to set forth in the border between Tibet and Nepal. Now,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: you can't really cross that overland route like in that time,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: it was basically considered impossible. So did she go to
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: a valley that is technically on the Tibet side. Yes,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: what Blovatsi also said she went there, But it's very
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: nebulous if she even went to China.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: We don't even know if she really was.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: When I'm talking China, like more than Shanghai, more than
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: like the you know port. So yeah, but Alexandra David
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: Neil did take a variety of series of famous doaois,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: the pictures of famous daois, and her travelogue is very
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: well known. Now would Tibetan monks explain to this, I'm sorry,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to say it. This white lady, like
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: rich white lady, you know, like with like all these
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: in uh Nepal.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I really don't know. I don't around
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: these moments.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: Let's keep it a real actually have servants but I
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: think that there's also the reality is that Nepal, Napole's
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: Buddhism is very much although it's extremely esoteric, if you
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: just go there and you sort of understand even a
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: little bit by looking at the shrines, looking at their
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: or daily ritual worship, and looking at the iconography. Because
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: I have an art history background, so that's what obviously
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: I draw from, So you can understand a great deal
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: of the cosmology of the practices just through iconography alone.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: And a lot of people who have gone to Nepal
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: have said this exact thing. So I mean, I'm not
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: the only one, and she's definitely not the only one.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: I think this is also true of Plovatski, Like she
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: went there, she saw this scarlet woman. Obviously they built
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: her out in te Lima, in the Oto and in
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: the Typhoni in order, like in different ways.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 16: What do you think about her adopting certain phrases and
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 16: language of the of Buddhism in her in her work.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 16: So and again I'm not certainly not defending her.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: I'm just curious about.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: You know, what you looked into about that.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: For me, I actually consider it kind of dharmaic, Like
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: this is how Dharma would like a real Buddhism, not
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: just like Internet Buddhism, but maybe a real Buddhism. I
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: don't know if I'm the arbiter of that, but I'm
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: not at least gonna try. Uh so. I I personally
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: think that it is Darmak. You're introducing Darmic ideas into
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: the West, whether it's an imperfect vehicle or not, like
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: Darma's axialist. So we're moving with the wheel. We're not
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: we're not looking to the past. We're not we was
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: kay in on the steeps right, We're moving forward. Whatever
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: that means, it doesn't mean politically. It just simply means
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: that we are moving with the ant so and also
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: the Oto. The Oto has a lot of Darmic ideas,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: like Crowley was deep in, like whether that's how the
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: yoga or whether that's like normy Buddhism, there are Dharmic
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: ideas in that. So people can take of those things
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: and just like the Great Stage Ramik, said Rabbi Cordovero,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: you can plant a garden of pomegranates with those seeds,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: so you can build your own trees, your own garden
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: of knowledge, and the trees of life and death. You
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: get to plant those in your own mind. So that's
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: basically how I see it. I think that it's okay
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: that they adopt language. Now is their meaning like the
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: deepest tonric in like secret meaning?
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: No, but that's okay. How would they even know that?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 11: Yeah?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 14: And then to add to this, like Croley Himselve's one
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 14: of his great mentors in the Golden Dawn, and after
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 14: it was Alan Bennett who basically went straight. He was,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 14: you know, straight Buddhist doing his thing, because it seems
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 14: like ceremonial magicians go away from magic and then enter
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 14: into Buddhism, and like that's where Alan Bennett was, you know,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 14: that was his thing. And they also very sick with
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 14: for some reason, ocults seem to always get some kind
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 14: of lung problem.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: And the only thing that he.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 14: Could do was is like be away in his Buddhist
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 14: monastery and just do that. And so it's fascinating how
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 14: it deeply integrated into those things. And Bovatsky yourself, with
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 14: the vision in the voice, was known as one of
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 14: the highest you know, epissimists or maguss by Krolea himself.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 14: He thought that she was, you know, doing some legit
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 14: work as much as you know, slightly snake oil in
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 14: the the superstitious sense of what she was doing. My
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 14: question is, actually, how do you know you're making Like
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 14: I get the idea of the servitor, and I understand
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 14: it and these types of things, But then it's like,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 14: unless you're doing the science part of it, who's to
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 14: tell you that you didn't do it?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 15: You know, like who's the arbitra of it being real
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 15: or not? And then you just being mistaking your psychosis
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 15: for actual magic.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: And that's something I wonder.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 13: You know, that's the that's the whole thing when you
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 13: saw getting to sigil magic too. Like a lot of
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 13: times people who associate servi tours with sigils, and I
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 13: have even wondered about that, just like even like kind
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 13: of like looking into you know, sigils myself from a
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 13: scientific aspect, you could be actually technically imprinting yourself with
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 13: probably whatever idea you have.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 10: And if it's like if.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 13: What you're doing is out of like mind wasn't luckily,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 13: but like if you're doing it out of like malice
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 13: and hate and you're creating a servitor to go do
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 13: something fucked up, you could be literally imprinting yourself with this,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 13: using yourself that just actually equates something nasty and like,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 13: you know, you're imprinting it on yourself, you know.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 7: And I just wonder, what are you losing yourself or
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 7: are you shedding your lower nature into something and creating that?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 14: I just wonder, how are you shedding something if you're
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 14: evoking something in here to do your work instead of
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 14: just magnetizing yourself with your own magic. And and thus
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 14: let I think that's the ultimate, that's the great work,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 14: instead of the lower understanding of principle magic, like you're
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 14: just you know, So I think that's a big difference
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 14: that Alan Chapman. I'm interviewing him next week, and Alan
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 14: Chapman is like that magia and he's got some other
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 14: work and he that's one of his biggest things that
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 14: he's pushing is that like you can go upon. That's
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 14: my problem with Chas magic actually, and Peter Carroll himself,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 14: is that he wanted to discard the great work and
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 14: just have it be some levels of you know, the
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 14: day to day magic.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 15: And if you see synchronicities and the mysteries, don't worry
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 15: about it, just let it go.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 14: Forget that it even happened, and I'm all, like, that's
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 14: doesn't that's not correct, Like we need to be doing
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 14: we need to be making this better.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: We need to be also writing it down and recording
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: it as well, of course these conversations and putting our
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 7: synchronicities together to figure more things out, because I really
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 7: think we could do that. More people should be doing that, right,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 7: talking about their irl experiences like it it's you.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 11: Know, yeah, I think it's tricky though when you start
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 11: getting into that is it psychosis or is it magic?
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 11: Like what experiences are real with a thought form or
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 11: with like invoking your HGA or your damon or whatever
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 11: you're doing. You know a lot of people will even
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 11: see like gods come to them or whatever if they're
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 11: like pagan, right, like if you have a patron or
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 11: something like that, And how much of that is real?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 11: How much of that is just some sort of hallucination?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 11: Does it also really matter? And you know, do we
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 11: have benefits from it?
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 14: Right?
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 11: Because like even young he would do the act of imagination,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 11: That's what the whole Red Book is. So he would
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 11: kind of set up like these scenes with these archetypes,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 11: and you know that's kind of how he did it,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 11: like he would go into this active imagination state and
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 11: like meet with these archetypes and like resolve whatever he
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 11: felt or he wanted to get out of that. It's
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 11: like a very contained and structured way to do it.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 11: But there's a lot of different ways that people do it.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 11: And sometimes it's accidental and people will have these experiences
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 11: that ends up leading them towards magic or studying these things.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 11: But it's kind of complex and it's hard to call
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 11: a schizo a schizo. There could be benefit from any
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 11: of it, just dialectically as well.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 14: I don't I hear you as I don't agree and
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 14: I don't agree because of the science part is that
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 14: like Croley, when Rose was dictating him the beginning of
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 14: when to you know, do his rituals, he put her
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 14: up against massive amounts of test. Which is why the
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 14: cabala is so brilliant, is that then you're testing these
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 14: things and you're showing its relationship to the actual physical
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 14: universe instead of it having be all up in the brain.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 14: Which is my issue with panpsychism is that it makes
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 14: consciousness another thing instead of understanding that consciousness can be
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 14: termed a relationship between things so you're always intending something
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 14: upon objectivity itself. And at the same time Young talks
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 14: about synchronicities, and so the synchronicities are really important because
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 14: those are another signposts first to understand that where the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 14: breadcrumbs are being laid before us. And so if I
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 14: continue doing these works, as Croley said himself, I shouldn't
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 14: give any objective reality to the visions that I'm having,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 14: because that leads towards psychosis and levels of madness that
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 14: we maybe not be able to swim out of. And
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 14: so I think there's a fine line. Even Young himself,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 14: with his active imagination and the Red Book, he kept
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 14: it away from everybody because he assigned no validity to it,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 14: just like Coley did with the Book.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 15: Of the Law. He threw that in an attic, was like,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 15: I don't know what the fuck to do with this.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 14: Most likely this is going to destroy my life, which
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 14: for both of them, there was a dissolation period of
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 14: blackening in their alchemy for them to come out come
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 14: out of eventually. And so I think there's a difference
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 14: because a lot of the New Age type of magical
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 14: cultism is falling towards an illusion of their own self
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 14: importance and egotism and not understanding that they shouldn't appear
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 14: to have any of their rituals be something that is
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 14: any more than for their own personal development and not
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 14: have because then that's how you can see it. Is
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 14: it getting better or is it not? How is my life?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 6: Is my life?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 15: Thank you Jeueles.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 14: So there's there's levels here that it's important to not
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 14: to fall into, like the panpsychism thing.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: It's me. I'm going to push back because I actually
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: agree with Arrows. Yeah, Arrows, you go ahead, it's your
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: I mean it was appointed to.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: You before I forget. Can I ask braindon something real
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 7: fest Brandon. Have you read Young's essay on wotan I have? Yeah?
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 17: Yeah, Well I would say though you know Crowley often
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 17: you know that sorry Crowley breaking down of like.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 11: These patterns that we already have, right and through a
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 11: lot of his rituals, and he didn't care whether that
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 11: broke his students. You know a lot of his students
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 11: did have psychosis, and.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 15: Like the students went under their own will.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 11: Well, right, But and he also encouraged, like you know,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 11: the HGA work. And so I mean a lot of
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 11: Thelamites do see plenty of things.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 15: So what's your problem with the HGA working?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 7: Letter answer, I.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 11: Don't see any problem with it. I think that is good.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 11: I'm just saying that, like, how is sorry?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 15: I'm sorry, I'm sorry?
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: How is you sing your HGA?
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 14: Like?
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 11: How is that? How do you know.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 14: That the Holy Guardian Angel working the Abermelin workings?
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 11: How do you know that you're not just hallucinating that?
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 11: And why is that.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 7: Better than well?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 15: I don't think that.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 14: I think you know it because people you're not supposed
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 14: to tell people of your rituals, so it doesn't he like,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 14: no one should even know you're doing it besides the fruits,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 14: which is then your life hopefully putting itself back together.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: So then well I'm going to jump in Brandon, because
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: I really am like chomping at the bit. I know
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: your unverified personal nosis you.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: PG UPG.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: Yes, sorry, I was thinking of the acronym. So if
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: you have ever been on a magical forum, UPG is
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: your is your worst enemy. This is the any any
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: armchair magician knows this right, And so Arrows has like
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: a like this is a more Buddhist point, where Aeros
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: is saying, like, you discard the klipas you discard the aggregates,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: you discard the skondas you do not get stuck on
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: the husk.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: Or the sheath.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because the air the truth is actually when the
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: sheath is removed. But you need the sheath or the
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: husk to contain what the truth is. You need the word,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: So it doesn't matter. I don't care, Like I I
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: side with Aeros. I'm sorry, I understand this is a
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: little different. Like this puts me in a little more
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: of a heterodox category compared to like a lot of
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: the Western tradition. But I also think like Young was
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: doing magic and like he understood fundamentally that you cannot
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: take everything literally because also literalism, not just unverified personal notices,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: but literalism is the great enemy of the magician. And
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: you see this in the occult world. Nick and I
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: have like a long tech spread that is like so
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: hilarious about we don't really talk shit that bad, but
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: it's it's a little bit where's the here?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 15: Can you tell me where you're disagreeing with me?
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: I don't understand, because I think that Eros is right,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: so that you discard a lot of a lot of
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: the appearance existence that's what we would call it in Buddhism.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: You would discard like those kind of things that you
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: quote unquote experience. Now, I personally believe that there is
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: a experiences, sepharatic experiences, contric experiences. To me, that's all
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: the same writing the eighth or whatever you want to
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: call it. I do think that there is an esoteric
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: cartography like DCS always says David Heimsmith.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 15: You actually can't use that term anymore. It's been it's
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 15: been trademarked by some bitch in France, just so.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: You know, Well, that's fine.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: I'm still gonna The reality is is I do think
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: that there is a way to both map and refer
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: back to the bina, back to the actual textual experiences
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: of those places.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 15: That's what I was saying.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: That is real.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: But I don't but Brandon, you're saying that the like
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: if a deity come to you for me, I think
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: that it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if a deity
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: comes to me. I'm not interested in the deity. Maybe
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: they'll have a cool message for me, and that's fine.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: And and you know what, the next day, I'm still
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: going to get up do Pooja, do my sodna do
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: my you know, click clock on the mala. That's what
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: I'm going to do. I'm not going to worry about
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: what the deity told me. Now, maybe it has a
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: synchronicity to my life, but I'm also not going to
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: place great emphasis on those things because my interest is knowledge.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I don't see the difference. And if that's what
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 14: Eric is saying, then I agree with her. I'm I
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 14: was just saying that there's something really important about not
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 14: That's exactly what I'm saying, actually, is not to give
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 14: validity to those things, but still write them down and
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 14: understand how it may work through your life, you know,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 14: just like you should be writing down your dreams.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 15: Just like Juels was saying, is we need to write
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 15: all of our magic.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: Use hode, use analogical language.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: You describe those things, but don't remember that there's a
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: there's a cleap of hode, there's a trap of hode.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: Of course I can. I used logical language.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah. And I hope that it's the blind son of Odin.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 15: It's the mercurial sufferer.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: I mean I want to hear.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 7: As we're interesting because Odin's referred to as mercury in
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 7: Tacitus is Germania, so uh strange. Yeah, yes, some people
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 7: Jordan on this, I don't know what the fuck's going on.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 10: I do.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: Guys, we all should pay attention if you have visions
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 7: or dreams and you figure out later on that these
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 7: things are coming true and like, hey, I had this premonition,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 7: Like I should have listened to my gut, right, I
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 7: always listen to your intuition.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 14: Sorry anyway, I I actually just still don't see where
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 14: the different. Like I, I can kind of see what
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 14: the difference is, but I I think we're actually maybe
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 14: all agreeing in our own way.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't even agree that there's an abyss, so that's.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 14: Well, that's different. That's that's completely different. You can agree
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 14: that there's no abyss. That doesn't mean that you don't
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 14: experience like this bear an anxiety and angst, which is
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 14: a very an abyssle ego disillusionments.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about crossing the ABYSS experiences in a sepharatic one.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 15: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: I don't agree that the abyss is real. I think
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: the one in ten can be reconciled. I think the
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: al of that paradox it does.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: I do not believe that.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 15: How do you get from the contradiction to the complimentary?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: Then go back into your soul, you go back into
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: pristine mind, pristine consciousness, and then you know you do,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: and then you become moderated.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 15: We do we do this on give the.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 7: Way he's doing.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: Then you do the arrow of enlightened activity and then
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: go off in together.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: And that's that's a great metaphor.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 7: I love that.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 14: I love that's a great story. And Jules Jin and
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 14: I do this on our battle cry. We battle cry
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 14: against others and we crush.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 7: The love to host a debate, dude, I really want
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 7: to start hosting debates between people like people in the
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 7: occult world and maybe like Christian conspiracy people. I'd love
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 7: to start hosting the bates do because I've been caught
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 7: in the middle, right like I did my first two
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: years of my podcast as a Christian mystic doing the
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 7: whole conspiracy you know, all all that stuff, and then
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 7: learning more about the occult and uh, you know, esoterica
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 7: and history and and having my like I was saying
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 7: my own spiritual path, you know, right there in front
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 7: of me. It's, you know, something I can definitely be
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 7: uh non biased on.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: So yeah, that's a that's a good idea. You should,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: you should, you should definitely do that.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: And just going back to something that you I think
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: you mentioned something about grifters and stuff at the start
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: of the show and.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 7: Just piercing grifters man, it's real.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, me and Habsburg have a few kind of
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: we're kind of building a bit of a list of
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: people that we.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 7: Absburg build the beans. Dude, you've been you've been start
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 7: it too long? What's up man about all this? He's
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 7: just like these people are fucking crazy.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 15: Jordan's I actually want to hear Jordan calls a grifter.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 10: Well, there's something I do want to add to the.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: Please we were we were just thinking like not necessarily
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: in the conspiracy realm or the occult realm, but just
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: general people who are are are pushing uh, you know,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: false narratives or who are just bad faith actors or
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: bad faith communicators and just try to get him on
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: and and and try to you know, hold their their
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: feet to the fire. There's one I don't know, there's
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: one person we're trying to get on. I don't know
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: if you guys are familiar with Uh, Paul Stammett. That's
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: his name, right, that's Paul.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 15: Mushroom guy, you know, like Paul Stammett.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: No, I can.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 12: I can get into that if you if.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 7: You can connected to the c I A, that's all right.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 7: So I do like his take on the myceellium. Me
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: and my wife have experienced I r L. You know,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 7: the my cellium has talked to her. She's a clairvoyant.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 7: Uh And I'm serious, if if you would, And she
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 7: has communicated with the myceellium and it's very ancient, dude,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 7: like it's been here for so long.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 12: Yeah, that's That's not exactly my issue with him.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 7: I know, I'm just explaining my love maybe for.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 12: You know, I've met the guy, you know, like I've
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 12: chatted with him. He's you know, he's like personally, you know,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 12: said some things to me that like, you know, I knew,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 12: you know, to be like not true, you know, which
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 12: was which was weird. But but I think, you know,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 12: in terms of and I don't I don't want to
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 12: like steer this conversation in any you know, direction, because
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 12: this this is really like way off topic of what
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 12: you guys are talking about. But I am like professionally
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 12: involved in in mycology and you know and uh different
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 12: you know, different aspects of it and what he's doing
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 12: with his like host defense product, and you know he's
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 12: basically just like selling this you know, really low grade
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 12: snake oil that's uh, you know, fermented, not even fermented,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 12: it's just it's just you know, brown, it's it's it's
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 12: brown rice flower that he is growing you know, like
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 12: a thin layer of my celium on and then he's
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 12: like making an extraction of brown rice flour and he's
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 12: you know basically like using his like credibility in the space.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 12: You know that he's like built through his appearances on
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 12: things like that to to to get like commissioned to
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 12: work on university like based studies, like in Washington State,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 12: uh University and Pullman. He directed a study to basically
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 12: like vet that my ceial extracts are you know, more
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 12: potent then extracts made from fruiting bodies, although like you know,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 12: it's it's really like disingenuous and like low integrity because
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 12: the study that he developed was based on my celium
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 12: grown in a liquid culture and extracted like pure my
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 12: celium you know, from that liquid culture versus being grown
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 12: on a large mass of you know, a substrate of
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 12: rice flour. So like it's two totally different things. And
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 12: he's using he's getting paid to set up that study
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 12: to like vet out his you know, conclusion that he
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 12: wants to you know, endorse his product with. And it's
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 12: not even like a correlative of like, you know, the
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 12: the what he's making his product with. So I hope
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 12: that makes sense. And it sounds like some of you
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 12: guys are actually familiar with what I'm talking about as
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 12: regards to the host defense product.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 16: But yeah, I hope this is not superfluous conspiratorial or
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 16: question or idea. But in regards to him, he mentioned
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 16: portobello portobello mushrooms and how he couldn't speak on it.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 16: I wonder, as a mycologist, what do you know about it?
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 12: That's a good question. Uh, you know, I think that
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 12: like some of that is you know, kind of like
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 12: salacious stuff that you know, is kind of being used
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 12: to kind of like entice the audience on rogan But
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 12: but but the truth is is that like the portobello,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 12: so you know, as you might or might not know,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 12: portobello mushrooms are a Gericus by Sporus, which is the
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 12: same mushroom as like a button mushroom, as a cremini
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 12: as a portobello. It just describes like different stages of growth,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 12: you know, a button being at the youngest stage, a
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 12: crmini being in a mid stage, and a portobello being
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 12: at the largest stage when it's harvested. And what I
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 12: can speak to is that that industry, like there are
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 12: ties to organize crime, like the farms.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 12: It's it's basically like all centered in Pennsylvania and the
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 12: whole industry, and that there are you know, some of
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 12: these like large scale productions are tied in with with
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 12: organized crime. And you know, I I don't know that
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 12: that's exactly what he's talking about, but but that is
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 12: a fact of that that uh industry.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 16: They have like biocumulative toxins.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 12: I don't I can't speak to that, and I wouldn't
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 12: want to speculate because yeah, no, no, no, it's definitely
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 12: a good question.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 7: It is probably fed you know, like the people. But dude,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 7: and now he's starting to talk about the Book of
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 7: Enoch in this and it's like, dude, what are you doing?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 7: Like it's kind of like Tucker Carlson being like, I
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 7: don't know what this is. And then but like he
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 7: used to wear the Kabbala bracelet, jin probably not like
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 7: he used to wear the red bracelet. So and he
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: now always deny he knows anything about Judaism or like
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 7: like this ancient And I'm like, dude, you are an actor,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 7: just like Alex Jones, just like Candice Owans. Just dude,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 7: like all.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: These people talked about grifters.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so when so and then so, when your ideas
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 7: start to kind of when the mainstream starts to align,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 7: do you go, well that this means I'm right, or
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 7: do you go, well, maybe I should uh reassess. Yeah, well,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 7: you know, like maybe we should, you know.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 12: But to the degree that a lot of the times,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 12: you know, like the whole you know, like ploy of
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 12: this like mind war psyops or whatever, is that like
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 12: they seed enough truth that it's compelling, you know, with
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 12: enough bullshit to make it like you know, confounding exactly.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 14: Yeah, but I'm gonna be honest, Tech Carlson, Candae Owans
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 14: and these characters are also and I think it's naive
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 14: of us to say that they're only doing bad things.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 14: There are a lot there's if you're actually watching their interviews,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 14: there's a lot of amazing things being said. And it's
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 14: good because it crosses the esoteric exoteric boundaries where the
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 14: norm norm groid right, the normy out there needs somebody
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 14: to help speak their language so they can understand the
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 14: amount of chaos that's being spread at this moment. And
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 14: if you listen to Tucker's Kevin O'Leary talk, even with
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 14: Sean Stone that me and Nick did, like like, Tucker
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 14: didn't say anything actually wrong, He's just he's a great
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 14: interviewer who's leading people. Most likely Tucker's up. I think
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 14: he's amazing, and that's fine. I to be honest, I
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 14: watch all his stuff and I'm like, fuck man, Like
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 14: that Kevin O'Leary thing with the databases, like we really
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 14: need somebody to be pushing the like the other narrative
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 14: as Tucker's been doing, about how how bad these things
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 14: are for everyone, and so to throw throw the baby
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 14: out with the bathwater, and we'll find ourselves in the
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 14: exact same situation we're already in, and that is without.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 7: You know, you have Candice Owen's call the.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 6: Government decent people, and you.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 14: Know, labeling them, and yeah, the occult is bad to
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 14: people who don't understand symbolism, and and like that's just
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 14: the way it is, and that's the way it's always been.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 14: And so to think that it's going to go mainstream
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 14: and then it's like happy utopian days, that's not how
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 14: life works. There's no utopianism. It's never going to be
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 14: a utopia. Like, so we need these kind of people
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 14: no matter. That's then why we're around. So we can
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 14: also make videos that counterbalances the narrative of like these
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 14: individuals who are more exoteric Christians or mu or whatever
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 14: it is, so we can set it, set it straight.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 14: And that's my anyway, that's how Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we're gonna post per politics era.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: I think we all kind of recognize this and like
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: we and I think, but I think Jules has a point,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: I think Brandon has a point. I think I don't
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: really discuss per politics myself. I you know, like there
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: are conspiracies, there are like real deep politics, deep politics
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: behind political events. Do does someone who's like un familiar
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: with their sort of uh you could say ritual grammar,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: are they really knowing what's going on?
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: Are they getting like briefed. Probably not.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So like you know, for me, I just don't
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: put my like attention focus, my perception, my hes said,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: you know, my loving kindness.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: I don't put my shit into that. I don't give
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: that Eggergre or Tolpa power. I just don't.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: I just restrict myself in that way. So for me,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: what I think is interesting about what Brandon's saying. And
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: like Brandon and I are friends, Like be clear, like
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: I've given him a lot of shit tonight, but like
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: we do this a lot. Soh and so the you know,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: the reality is is like, yeah, there are going to
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: be people who are bad actors who that's that's part
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: of that's part of magic. It's like you're gonna have
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: people who get so lost in their own bullshit, their
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: own cleep as, their own like misconceptions of the way
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: they think the world is. Plus, there are people who
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: put deliberately poison the water. All magicians also do this.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: Crowley does this, All cobblists do this, like everybody does it.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: Young did it in the Red Book, like I mean
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: Aros and I just did like two and a half
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: hours discussing like many instances where you can look at
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: the Red Book and say, like there are deeper layers
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: than just the literal layer, and which he would be
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: very comfortable with us looking at. So it's like what
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: level of reality are you trying to discern? Look at
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: understand And ultimately that's why I say that magic mostly
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: happens in your mind, because I think we are the
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: most in control, Like that is our sphere of influence.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: Like I know at the very beginning of the show,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: Jewels brought up like the genus Loki, like the spirit
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: of the land. While in a Buddhist idea, the way
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: to engage or interact with that genus Loki is through
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: getting your own mind right, because if you go and
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: try and deal with that spirit when you're like full
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: of like okay, so a lot of it calls this
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: are depressed or like emo or god like or you know,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: or like whatever. If you go with those negative emotions, deity,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: that spirit, whatever you want to call it, they are
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: going to appear appear. That doesn't necessarily mean they are.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: They could be like a negative entity or demonic quote
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: I'm using air quotes, but like, you get your mind
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: right first, that's what that's I'm not just dismissing the
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: existence of like what people perceive or what people interact with.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: But it's really starts in your own mind. If you're
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: wild in your mind, the spirits are going to appear
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: wild before you.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, especially with the elementals.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 14: Yeah, and that's I could agree more Jen, That's exactly
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 14: how it's so get your own mind. And that's what
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 14: the massive problem with the occult community is is a
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 14: lot of people doing this work are are fucking crazy
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 14: people that have daddy and mommy issues that haven't been able,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 14: that hate the patriarchy and you know, or like wanting
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 14: to bring us back what do you what do you
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 14: call jin back to the long house or the bath house?
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: You have to reject both the long house and the
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: bath house.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: You don't want you don't want women to rule you,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: and you don't want old guys to.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 14: Yeah boom yeah, don de Marco no Epstein island here right,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 14: that's that.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 10: Uh.
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  Speaker 13: It was one thing I did want to add, and
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 13: we kind of went back to it again and thankfully
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 13: Jen kind of wrote us back there with the whole
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 13: stuff with the mind this kind of is uh, it's
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 13: kind of like I wouldn't say it's gonna it might
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 13: throw a monkey wrench in what we were all talking
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 13: about earlier, or kind of levy even more confused. But
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 13: I do think it's something that's very important to look at,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 13: and I've been kind of covering it on my Mechanics
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 13: and Magic series because I think it is extremely important,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 13: especially for magicians to understand certain things. And basically what
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 13: I'm doing with this series is that I am picking all,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 13: like a lot of common things that are used during
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 13: ritual magic or stuff that we use as magicians when
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 13: we do our rituals, and even covering kind of like
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 13: initiations or your intent, which I'll get to in a second.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 13: That's a whole other mind fulk but almost every single
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 13: thing that we use incense, a singing bell, meditation, scraying, candles,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 13: a lot of things. I even have other stuff coming out, drums,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 13: you know, certain music. Every single one of those will
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 13: actually affect your nervous system. A lot of the herbs
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 13: that we use, a lot of them will affect like
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 13: two to three of your cranium nerves, and some of
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 13: them will arect your you know, affect your vegus nerve,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 13: and that goes from your throat all the way down
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 13: basically to your reproductive system. So that's a huge area
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 13: that you can feel sensations or different things going on.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 13: You have that you have candles, and at a certain
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 13: rate of flickering, it will produce It doesn't matter if
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 13: you're a man, woman, where you are, how old you are,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 13: you will produce the same hallucinations. And they have also
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 13: started to notice that in a lot of cave art,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 13: if you match that same flicker rate, the cave art
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 13: will look to see if it animates. And then they've
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 13: even noticed that a lot of those even will have
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 13: and I find this interesting. A lot of the common
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 13: things that people will see from the flicker rate is spirals,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 13: checkered patterns, sacred geometry, starbursts, and you'll see a lot
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 13: of those type of things even thrown into the cave art.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 13: So now they're even wondering with those, even the hallucinizations
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 13: things that they're seeing from they'll flicker rate and incorporating
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 13: into the art because we're like, I did see that,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 13: you know something like that singing bells. I just I
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 13: want to touch on all these just like real quick
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 13: to give a real solid idea a singing bell if
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 13: you happen to use that like to start off your ritual,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 13: which I think Judith would even remember there was a
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 13: place that we you know, went to a lot that
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 13: would start off their rituals like that. By the time
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 13: that bell is done ringing, you have been focused on
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 13: that so much that when it's done, basically you're super
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 13: focused now and whatever happens coming next is going to
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 13: be intensified with your nervous system. Uh what else even
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 13: a ritual intention we mentioned attention before, this is a
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 13: whole mind fucking itself. Once you put yourself into intention,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 13: your mind, now anything that happens is going to have
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 13: to correlate within that system that you just constructed. So
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 13: it might not even have to lie to you because
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 13: it may not even be correct, but now it has
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 13: to go by I want the answer to fit. This
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 13: is because I have expectations of X, Y, and Z
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 13: coming from what I just.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 10: Did, right with scrawing scrying.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 13: If this is I just want to like really start
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 13: to show a point here. So now you've gotten the
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 13: hallucinizations from the from the from the from the candle,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 13: you're getting physical changes from the herbs. And then with scrying,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 13: if you're if and this is even another thing in
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 13: initiations because there's been an experience where I've just been
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 13: with one candle in darkness. When you have stuff like
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 13: that and you're in darkness, especially even flow tanks, your
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 13: body will not quite understand where it ends now because
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 13: it can't see. So now your your nervous system can
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 13: start heightening with scrying and then, like if you have
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 13: a candle or especially with scring regardless, because it is
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 13: normally just kind of like a polished thing. It's not
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 13: totally clear. If you use a bowl of water, it's
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 13: not totally clear. If you use that that stone, it's
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 13: not polished fully. When you start to look at it,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 13: even though you're looking at yourself, your brain will be
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 13: seeing that there's things missing because it's not a perfect reflection,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 13: and it will just fill it in with stuff. And
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 13: sometimes it just fills it in with that what the
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 13: fuck it feels like, So then you start to see
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 13: shit that's really not there.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 10: Dance flicker will do that as well, those.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 13: Paranormal goggles that people be going out to and doing
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 13: paranormal experiments that will make you hallucinate and make your gogless. Yes,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 13: so like now what I'm getting at with this whole
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 13: thing is that like all your like, all these things
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 13: are actually affecting us, Like seriously, so how do we
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 13: know what the fuck is real and what's not?
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 10: How do we know like or what we're all doing.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 13: It is supposed to put our body into a state
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 13: to maybe receive something or to do something else. But
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 13: all those things that the amount of shit even scientifically
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 13: provable that I'm showing in these things, how they affect us.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 13: It's like you have to start wondering, Like even with decidils,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 13: the flashing colors that we're taught to use in the
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 13: Golden Dawn and the lima, those flashing colors have been studied.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 13: They do certainly pull on your cones differently because of
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 13: the colors, and it actually does shit to you.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 10: The fuck is new this shit somehow.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 14: When it goes into like how they then use all
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 14: that for mk ultra to control people, to put their
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 14: nervous system and to put their whole being into a
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 14: state of imprint vulnerability. The same things that what you're
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 14: talking about, as well as LSD did to people in
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 14: those times.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: Even to the state color, what is a color fundamentally
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 4: in a couple right. In a cabalistic way, we would
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: say that a color is just the name of light
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: if the universe is primarily made of light, which is
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: also sound. Sound is the how you capture space. This
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: is the great mistake in my opinion. I know everybody
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: hates me on Twitter for saying this, and that's fine,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: it really is. But the truth is is like the
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: Western tradition forgot about the fifth element, which is really space.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: Now how do you traverse space? Well, you have to
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: use sounds.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: So you have to use the sound of the word
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: as I positive day exactly. So you're talking about the
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: word again. Logos, the idea, the intention, all of that's
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: covered in the idea. So I would say instead of
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: like saying mk ultrabrand in like what Nick is saying,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 4: you can use the colors to get there there wherever
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: they're there. It really is like wherever that closest to
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: primordial truth layer is. But you can also use the
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: colors to understand where you are in that experience. And
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: so that's my personal experience rather than like gods or
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: spirits or you know, like the klipas and the shells
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: or whatever it is. I saw colors, I see colors.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: I associate colors with certain words, now with certain kinds
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: of music. This is a very common experience. I I've
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 4: discussed it with Nick like probably I don't know, Nick,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: like a hundred times on the show on Rejects, like
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: so many times, because this is a fun This is
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: like a real magical experience, like when you're when you're
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: getting rid of like all the extraneous bullshit. And maybe
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: that is partly letting go of some of the ritual
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: elements as well. And my opinion that is, but it's
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: like to prepare you, like Nick is saying, like to
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: use the ritual technology to get you in the state
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: where you're going to be able to go higher. But
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: those individual components by themselves, maybe someone who's accidentally like
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: just practicing magic because they want to win the lottery
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: or whatever, like some like very worldly thing, which is
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: not necessarily bad. But I'm not making a judgment anyway,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: but I'm saying that maybe what those do is they
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: just prep you. You learn the flashing colors, and then
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: when you have the experience, you then can use the
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 4: flashing colors to sort of reverse engineer the esoteric cartography.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I love that no, I completely agree.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 14: And as you're saying that, it goes hand in hand
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 14: with Crowley's John st. John working and his idea that
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 14: when you are truly taking every experience as if it's
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 14: your interaction with God, you see God in all things. Thus,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 14: in a certain way of like with the taro and
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 14: the major economy, you're studying it. Then when you're walking,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 14: like you say, with colors, is the same thing. When
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 14: you see these colors, it brings up this experience. When
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 14: you see a car drive by, you see the chariot.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 14: When you see two a couple walking hand to hand,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 14: you see the lovers. I think there's a very important
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 14: way for us to bring magic into the embodied experience
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 14: instead of leaving it for the magic to be done
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 14: to us, or it's an all just in here type
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 14: of thing, which then can't be really there's some kind
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 14: of fallacy to that.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 7: When you have a tornado, it's the elemental, you know,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 7: it's the sylph and like the uh and battling each other,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 7: or it's it's it's the gods. You know, it's you know,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 7: thunder his door beating, his hammer waved, And this is
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 7: just in certain kind of Mythola's right rave or raves,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 7: which there was a god of raves, waves or ran like,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 7: you know, being very hostile. But like you know, you
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 7: have this all in you know, in every culture. So
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 7: I think this tornado one way of seeing God in nature. Right,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 7: that's how you first, well I first kind of started
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 7: to experience have my little esoteric experiences with the elementals
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 7: and especially when it rains. But we're not going to
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 7: go into that.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry, Jewels.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: I didn't mean to jump in like obsolutely no, but
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: I was going to say, the tornado is actually a
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 4: great couple of stigmataphor because the element of air is invisible,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: but we know it exists, so it picks up velocity.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: And but the problem with the tornado really isn't the
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: tornado itself. It's that it picks up the debris, the aggregates,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: the materials, the rocks, the sparking energy. Sometimes you'll see
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 4: lightning emerged from very severe tornadoes or hurricane even because
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: the you know, the it's sparking between the material objects
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: like a flintlock.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: So very geveratic.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: But you know, so the problem with air, or with
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 4: any of the elements is not the element itself. It's
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: the aggregations now to use more metaphorical meteral damage. Basically exactly,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: our perceptions are misperceptions. What do we think the air is?
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: Do we associate it with like I'm thinking of like
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: the you know, Wizard of Oz and like the house
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 4: and the witch and all of the things are sucked
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: into the vortex, right like do we is the wind
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: those actual material objects or is the wind the thing
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: we can't see? Well, that also can be a metaphor
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: for space or a kasha, which is also within our minds.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 4: So I would say, like clear the bullshit, like and
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: I know you agree with this, Jewels, And it's a
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: great metaphor because the primary cabalistic metaphor for like understanding
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: all reality, for understanding God if you want to call
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: it that, like capital G God. I'm not talking paganism,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: but that can I mean, sure, that's fine. I know
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: everybody doesn't love when I go like more anti pagan
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: That's fine.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 15: No, I love it.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't matter what I'm saying. It doesn't It
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: fundamentally doesn't matter because what Jules is saying is correct.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: The primary way to understand is through the metaphor of
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: ice and water, or lightning, watching the stable ocean of
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: lightning appear before you, like visualizing that experience in your mind.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: That is the code of the lightning flash. If you
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 4: are able to remember that experience of witnessing lightning across
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: water and you walk away from the lake or the
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: ocean or whatever body of water, you experience that and
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: you can remember that, that is the closest to quote
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: unquote God that we can achieve in this like quote
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: unquote material body. I'm not saying we can have higher experiences.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: Of course we can, and we shouldn't conflate the phenomenological
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: aspect of that with God itself. So it's not that
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: he is the lightning strike. It's not that he's causing
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: the lightning strike. It is that it's in our perception
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: of the lightning strike, we are the witness to creation
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: and destruction at the same time.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: Anyways, that's my definition magic.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 15: I'll shut up now, love that Boom nailed it.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 5: Well, why don't we we can start wrapping up.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 6: But before we do that, let's go around one more time.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 6: Let everyone.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: Tell the audience listeners all that where they can find them. Uh,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: you know, there's social media's website, books, any any of
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: that kind of stuff.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 6: It's it's been great this this chat's been really good, guys.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 6: I've really enjoyed it.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: I hope we could do the fun man.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 7: Thanks Jordan.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I really enjoyed learning the ship that you guys
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 5: are into. It's it's a lot for me, but it's
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 5: it's so interesting thing and I always, I always do
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 5: want to hear more.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 14: So Yeah, we're all mad here, bro, We're all mad here.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: Man, I love it though, I love it, and I'd
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 5: love to do this this group thing again. But Brandon, Euros, Euros,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 5: Lune and Gin. I'd love to get you guys on
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 5: on the show and we can kind of do some
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: more deeper stuff into individually what you guys do. But yeah,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 5: why don't we go around, We'll go run the table.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: We'll start with you there, Julian the Apostate? Where can
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: everyone find you? All your stuff? Whatever you want to
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: get into?
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 7: Man, oh go for well, I'm not going to get
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 7: into too much because it would come on I'd ramble on.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 7: Let's just say guys. If you want to support the show,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 7: go over to Patreon dot com, slash Grapeful podcasts. You
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 7: can get God to the Morning Wood and it comes
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 7: with Morning Wood. Now sixty episodes. Now we're at sixty
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 7: episodes deep, and Nick is a big part of a
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 7: lot of those episodes. I think Ethan may have made
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 7: it to one. Ethan. You're always welcome. All you guys
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 7: are to be honest. And I've told this to everyone.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 7: Saturday is going to be a banger we have we're
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 7: doing uh goh Man pros Eda so uh yeah, prose
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 7: Etta and something else. I think it's some other treaties
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 7: maybe uh oh yeah, Secret Destiny of America by Manly
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 7: Palmer Hall. We're gonna be beginning that, so uh. And
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 7: then next Occult Cinema is zerah Atteternal and Stein Fox
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 7: from the Gray Horned Pagans. We'll be doing that. And
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 7: that's a Patreon show as well. So go over to
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 7: Patreon if you want to support the show. We have
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 7: call ins now to the show. You can call in
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 7: and all that. Yeah, Nick, I got it, dude, I
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 7: got it. We're starting to do Yeah. The only person
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 7: called in was Meet Cavern. That's expected so so far.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 7: Uh but yeah, guys, go check out the episode from
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 7: yesterday with Crow Triple seven.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 7: He displayed all of the all of his past footage
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 7: which I had seen right over the years, but I
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 7: never I when listening to him on other podcasts, I
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 7: never knew. I never connected you know, the dots, and
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 7: so it blew my mind a little bit.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 7: Shout out Crow, shout out Rose. We had a we
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 7: had a great conversation before and after the show. They'll
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 7: definitely be coming back on soon. I also talked to
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 7: them about coming on The Reject soon and I'm I'm
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 7: gonna get Brandon, his co host, I'm gonna get him
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 7: to come on.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 13: Uh.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 7: I last night met a fellow adept and uh he
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 7: had he runs the Paranormal Esoteric Association of Mississippi. I
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 7: I don't know if I got it right right there,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 7: but uh, he is a part of a uh you know,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 7: local lodge. But he's you know, very cool dude. And
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 7: we hung out. Me and my wife went to the
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 7: local axe throwing bar down the street last night. And
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 7: so I will be doing live paranormal investigations on Gray
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 7: Pilled soon. I've already talked about this and I hadn't
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 7: met anyone who had done it yet, and all of
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 7: a sudden, this guy comes up. I had my Gray
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 7: Piled shirt on with the Alchemy lion on the back
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 7: eating the Sun, and he comes up and he goes, oh,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 7: I love your shirt, and then comes over. I see
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 7: it's like his fucking ring already, and I'm like, okay, well,
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 7: this guy is an initiate, you know whatever. I'm not
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 7: going to get into it, but good guy. And he's
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 7: already been doing this. He was talking about going to
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 7: this one place with a novelist kit he had created
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 7: and conducting this energy there and stuff, and they were
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 7: recording it but they don't have a place to stream it.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 7: And I was like, well, fuck me, silly dude, don't
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 7: but you know, so, yeah, that's that's something coming to
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 7: Gray Pild hopefully soon. I had already brought it up,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 7: but I had no plan to do it. So now
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 7: it may actually fucking happen. That's how synchronicities line up
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 7: and plans work out. But guys, yeah, follow me on
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 7: Twitter at Great Pill Pod. I told you not to
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 7: let me go for too long, Jordan Rumble. Thank you
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 7: for inviting me on the night man.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 15: Of course.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 6: Man, it's always a pleasure, buddy.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, So thank you, Brandon, Thank you Habsburg, Jolly West.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: Appreciate you, Cardinal Electric Head. Of course, boss mister ninety three.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: Been podcast working with Nick for almost I think three
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: years now, and like it's been quite an amazing podcast
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 4: journey for me.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 4: Maybe a little longer you have like three and a half.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: Of course, Brandon Ethan Arrows up. Arrows is my co host.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: She's also a member of our Gray Lodge like group chat.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 4: She's like I would consider her like my spiritual sister
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: in a way, and like just an important figure for me,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: Like I learn a lot from like her perspective on
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: like her materials, because I don't know anything about the
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 4: Western tradition really and I would never say I did.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: Or an astrology. I'm more of a tontric astrologery.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: I understand it more through metaphor and through the sepharo
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 4: like the yetseratic astrology rather than practical astrology.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: So yeah, so, and of course ju'd at the Loon.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: We are my.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: Lodge, my lodge made in Mott because I think everything
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: comes down to the middle path, comes down to balance,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 4: comes down to the art of synthesis and also reconciliation
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: or rectification. I think those are the important keywords for
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: the aon. So maybe instead of like fully plugging my show,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: of course, follow us at the Gray Lodge at YouTube
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: dot com. At the Threshold Saints, I almost gave the
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 4: old one. I apologize Threshold Saints and that Threshold Saints
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: is basically if you just type it in, you can
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: find it on everywhere on everything my link trees at
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: Threshold Saints. I have lots of really interesting episodes coming out,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: one with Arrows. I have Dharma episodes coming out with Solar,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: who's another co host. I have a more Dark Souls,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: the continuation of the Dark Soul series with Joshua who's
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 4: an other co hosts, and lots of I have lots
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: of people coming on and I think it'll be a
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: really cool season. So and then your Great Lodge. We're
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: doing Apafennion Part two this Friday live Gnostic Mass although
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: it's book club, and then next week we are continuing
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: the aur Thai Sorcery and the Sinister Traditions of Southeast
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: Asia series. So we just did our first one Larcy
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 4: on Friday night, So if you are interested, you can
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: easily like go check that out. None of our channels
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: are monetized or anything like that. It's just like totally
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: platonic discursive, like magic and dialogue. So it's very like
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: chaos magic, very aonic, and people can absolutely check that out.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: So I really appreciate it. Thank you guys. Also much
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: super generative conversation.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 6: Thanks Brandon, my friend. You're up brother, great Yo.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 14: Well, yeah, this was fantastic. Thank you Jordan for having
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 14: us all on. Yeah, I don't there's not much to
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 14: be said. Besides, you know, when you get a bunch
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 14: of ocultists in a room, how many you know, how
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 14: many of us does it.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 15: Take to screw in a light bulb? Well, there was
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 15: no light to begin with.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 14: We're all searching through the darkness, trying to pull ourselves
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 14: out of the cave.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: Is kind of how it feels, and so.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 14: We're never all going to agree on anything because we
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 14: all have different nervous systems. However, it seems like there
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 14: are these universals that we all can kind of tap into,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 14: and we know that we're trying to do what it is,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 14: and what it is is we're trying to make ourselves better,
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 14: We're trying to get our language straight, we're trying to
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 14: be good and virtuous humans. And it doesn't matter what
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 14: your magical practice is, as long as it's doing that
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 14: for you, then you are on the path. As they
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 14: say in Buddhism and Mahayana or whichever yanas they have,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 14: it's that there are many vehicles, you know, that lead
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 14: us on that path of awakening. And I think that's
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 14: really important. And so I appreciate every single one of
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 14: you on here. I love the Rejects. Thank you Nick
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 14: for Britain, Nick and Jin where it was my first
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 14: conversation on the rejects. They brought me on and they
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 14: haven't been able to get rid of it ever since.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 14: And so you know Nick, Jin Arrows, you know Judith
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 14: and Jewels and Ethan. I'm I'm gonna do shows with
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 14: every single one of you. Jin and I are bringing
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 14: back the battle Cry on Wednesday evening.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: We're going to be taking.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 14: On everybody as well as I'm dropping a bunch of interviews.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 14: Ethan and I are going to be doing our tight
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 14: schie work again. It's just we're trying to find the
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 14: right time as the world falls into chaos, We're all
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 14: just doing what we can. If you haven't already everyone subscribed,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 14: I can share it to every single one of these
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 14: beautiful people. Yeah, so that's basically all I got myth
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 14: magic meaning that's why we're here.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: Thank you, love it man, love it.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 10: Nick. Yeah, thank you very much for having us on.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 10: I really had a blast.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 13: I thought it was great that we get everybody on
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 13: and they could showcase, you know, what they're all about
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 13: and stuff. Yeah, the occult rejects on Bitch, Shoot, Rumble, YouTube,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 13: all major podcasts. I do have a cult research Institute
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 13: dot org. That's a website, and I do have a
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 13: substack for the occult rejects. You could just I'm sure,
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 13: just look for the occult rejects. One thing I do
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 13: we just want to plug real quick is since people
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 13: were plugging their stuff the Mechanics of Magic series, like
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 13: I was mentioning before, I highly suggest that for people
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 13: to check out. One thing I do also just want
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 13: to say with that, you know, I do think it's
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 13: good for a conspiracy theorist or a magician to listen to.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 13: But what I'm trying to do with that is also
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 13: not discredit magic. I'm actually like trying to prove a point,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 13: you know, and I think it's a little bit like
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 13: what my man we Hey Magus was saying. You know,
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 13: I think we put ourselves in these situations so we
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 13: can put ourselves in tune for something greater than us
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 13: or that's you know, hopefully the end result. So you know,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 13: check that out. And I am doing something that's rather
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 13: probably interesting coming from an occultist, but I am trying
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 13: to prove a point, and I think think it's just
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 13: really good with even history and stuff. But I have
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 13: started and I'm still continuing. I did a pretty big
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 13: deep dive on the history of Christianity, and I've covered
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 13: a lot of Christian sex and from the past, and
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 13: I'm trying to show you know, how that came to
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 13: be the people that dictated it. And then I am
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 13: doing me sound crazy, but it is a I've had
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 13: I have four parts done now out of eighteen, I
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 13: have eighteen shows already done to like, you know, record
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 13: to prove that even Christian architecture in the way it's
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 13: set up, is all ritual technology. So you know, I'm
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 13: just trying to maybe show or prove a point, like
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 13: you may know it'll be that different from us, you
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 13: know stuff you know, kind of like treatment.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, dude, all the churches are built on top of
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 7: pagan temples too. Shout out to you Colt rejects. Man, yeah, man,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 7: love love all my people on here and that I'm
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 7: sorry I can't make as many shows as I used to. Nick,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 7: It's just been busy lately, but I'm just trying to
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 7: make more.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 13: But uh yeah, I just think it's it's a good
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 13: thing to show even history wise or just even showing
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 13: you how, you know, there's even again, I do try
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 13: to put academia in there, even showing you how these
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 13: churches and all even the baptism that is an initiation.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 13: You're doing an initiation just to become allowed to be
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 13: part of that church. That's no different than me doing
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 13: a first degree initiation to get into the OTO for
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 13: real and something. I just want to throw this in
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 13: there and that, you know, not to drag it on
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 13: like everybody else, but fuck it when it comes to
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 13: people who like to talk shit about occultists and initiations
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 13: in rituals and want to get into the whole thing
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 13: with I do understand that I think getting naked can
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 13: be very weird. But something I don't think Christians realize
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 13: that back in the day for you to join that church,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 13: you were going to be outside, probably in front of
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 13: a bunch.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 10: Of people, because you've got to profess in front of people.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 13: Of course, you're gonna have your clothes taken off you.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 13: You're gonna walk into the body of water, and then
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 13: they're gonna give you another pair of clothes to put on,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 13: and then you're gonna walk out. You just got fucking
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 13: strict naked in front of a bunch of fucking people.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 13: In order for you to join the church, you gotta
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 13: chill the fuck out with some of the shit you
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 13: guys come at us with. Look at your own past.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 13: You're not much different than the rest of us. So
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 13: that's what I'm just, you know, trying to maybe actually
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 13: maybe some open minded ones might not say unite, but
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 13: you know, maybe we could work together instead of oh,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 13: you know said if you guys always pointing the fingers os.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 7: Or just taking what you say and turn and just
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 7: turning it around and uh, you know, losing all the
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 7: contexts that you even.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 10: Snell Dixon demons your own people even believe that.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 12: Well, I mean, you know, I just I don't want
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 12: to offend anybody, but you know, when you talk about
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 12: the baptism. I mean, it's really that, you know, death
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 12: and rebirth that you know, so many rituals are based on,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 12: Like I mean, is that not the same as what
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 12: they do in the coffin at Skull and Bones. Absolutely,
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 12: it's it's really.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 10: The same thing.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 12: But anyway, Yeah, I hope that didn't offend anybody out there.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 10: That's yeah, who.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: Gives a fuck if it does?
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 7: Have habsburg Jolly West dude.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 6: Look got to discuss.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, people need to get the fuck over it. They
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 7: need to get out their bubble. And that's what I
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 7: think all of us on here having common is we're
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 7: open to talk about anything and everything, the literal like
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 7: question everything, not just the trope or cliche like phrase
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 7: that the conspiracy people use, like actually like even your
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 7: own you know, make make it uncomfortable, make.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 12: That's that, that's why they take That's why I got
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 12: kicked off this stream when I was talking about Tucker
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 12: and the narrative weavers, which stream I got, I got
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 12: cut off and like kicked out of stream yard like
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 12: while while we were Yeah that happens in mid.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 7: Sentence, you know, Yeah, that happens all the time that.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, well it's it's it's who Evers listening to us.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 12: They're like, get this guy out of here.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 10: Get this guy out of it.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 12: He called out Paul Stam, it's get this guy out.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 7: You can always come on to your Court Rejects or
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 7: any of our shows man and talk about you know,
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 7: if you have questions, you know.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we'd love to come sometimes. That'd be cool.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 7: Definitely.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 6: You're all good. Nick, cool brother, Judith Balloon.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 15: Thank you?
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 8: Uh, Nick, you forgot your sight?
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 10: Oh no, I think I did mention it.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 7: It was before the Rejects Institute.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, a Cold Research in Yeah, Cold Research Institute
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 13: dot org in case I difficult, Thank.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 8: You, I'm sorry. Uh, it's gonna be brief, are you.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 8: I focus You can find me on spreaker, uh, YouTube
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 8: and X. As the loan, I focus more on what
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 8: I call magic recovery, the baseline of the foundation of
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 8: what you need to work on for yourself, meditation, gratitude, mindfulness,
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 8: and I hit some topics. I do the weekly brunch
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 8: every Sunday and I talk about different topics. And I
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  Speaker 8: have some upcoming more focused work coming up, but I
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 8: don't want to say anything yet till they're done. Because uh,
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 8: you know, life gets in the way.
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  Speaker 6: Right on, Ethan, You're out, my friend.
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  Speaker 16: Well, thank you guys so much. I appreciate you, guys,
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  Speaker 16: Jordan Habsburg, thank you, and everyone. Nick, thank you so
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 16: much for putting all the wonderful people together. And I've
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 16: learned so much by interacting with all the wise participants,
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 16: all the fellow cult rejects, and all the guests. So
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  Speaker 16: I thank you, and I thank you all for all
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  Speaker 16: your knowledge and wisdom. Uh Ethan Indigo Smith easy to
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 16: find on all the social media. I have a couple
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 16: of websites Matrix of four, Geometry of Energy. Definitely check
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  Speaker 16: those out and all my recent articles too on Occult
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  Speaker 16: Research Institute dot org and yeah more more, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 16: I also wrote uh, Marijuana and the Excuse me? Uh yeah,
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  Speaker 16: Marijuana and the Prohibition of the Divine Feminine, which I'm
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  Speaker 16: really proud of. And my main goal in that is
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  Speaker 16: to change the cultural bs that has been repeated for
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 16: so many decades now of what is the oldest profession?
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  Speaker 16: And we all know what it is, and it's really
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  Speaker 16: insulting to all people, let alone all all women. And
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 16: I propose that the oldest profession is nursing and nursing
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  Speaker 16: having the dual meaning of motherhood and the provider and
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  Speaker 16: the care take care provider.
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  Speaker 2: So thanks for bringing that up. Nice Euros, Arrows, you're muted,
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: You're all good.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, this is great. Thanks for having me on. I
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 11: feel like that was the quickest two hours of my life.
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  Speaker 11: But yeah, I'll plug a couple of things. You can
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 11: find me on YouTube at Aeros, which I mentioned before.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 11: I have like my Esoteric Interview series where I interview
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 11: like occultists and kind of just stick into their practices.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 11: I've interviewed Gin and Ethan on this panel and those
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 11: were really good, So I encourage everybody to go check
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 11: those out if they're interested, and also just interested in
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 11: those like Gin or Ethan and their practices or books.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 11: And I also have like my meta discussions and my studies.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 11: I came out with a video I think last week
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 11: called the Manifestation or Manifestations of Projection, and I'm gonna
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 11: be releasing a sub stack article about that here soon,
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 11: maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow, just going into that a lot
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 11: more in depth, because after the video I was like, wow,
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 11: this is like kind of information heavy and kind of
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 11: hard to follow through audio, so I figured I would
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 11: put out a written version of it so people could
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 11: reread things and because I wanted to go even deeper
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 11: into it. So that's all I have. But thanks for
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 11: inviting me, Nick, Thanks Jordan for having a son.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 6: For sure, nice to meet you have Spurt. What about you,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 6: my friend? Any final words?
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  Speaker 12: You know, there's a there's a fun time. I appreciate
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 12: you know you guys joining us. I follow most of
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 12: you guys on Twitter, and you know, definitely like listening
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 12: to your show, Nick, and you know, I, you know,
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 12: really enjoyed getting to interact with y'all. And you know
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 12: I'll be uh yeah going bulldog against post stampit here
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 12: since that was that was fun to get to talk
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 12: talk about a little bit. And yeah, uh this was
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 12: this was a good time man. Thank you all for
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 12: joining on us.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that was a lot of fun. Guys.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 5: We'll have to do this again sometime, talk about anything.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, we can get off topic whatever.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 8: I mean.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 5: All of us obviously have a lot of interesting different
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 5: backgrounds and different interests, so yeah, who knows where it
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 5: could go. So but yeah, thank you guys all for
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 5: your time. Appreciate everyone in the in the chat. Thanks
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 5: to everyone listening and watching, all of our subscribers and supporters. Yeah,
• 2:05:49
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• 2:06:05
  Speaker 6: And yeah, that's pretty much it.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 5: Other than like I did mention, we are giving away
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 5: free iPad, brand new iPad with a case. So if
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 5: you were trying to get us up to a thousand
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 5: subscribers on YouTube, so h yeah, so everyone, Yeah, that's
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 5: right man.
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  Speaker 6: You're gonna use.
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  Speaker 7: To come after subscribe.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, subscribe and screenshot it and then when the time comes,
• 2:06:39
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  Speaker 6: And uh yeah nice.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 5: That'll be the main prize, and then uh we'll do
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 5: we'll do a couple of backup prizes like.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 6: Some books or something like that or something cool. We'll
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 6: figure it out.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 5: But uh, yeah, this was great, guys. I'd love to
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 5: see you guys again in some form or another. But yeah,
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 5: wishing you guys the best, and yeah, we'll talk soon.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 5: Good luck with everything, guys, Peace, cheers.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 4: Peace, Thanks Jordan, appreciate it. Thank you house for Jolly West.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 4: I just followed you back on Twitter. I'll make sure
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 4: to follow you Jordan. Thanks guys, thank you Ju.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 3: Nice to see you.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 15: Nice Nick, your your Wu Tang. It was great, great.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 15: I love that all reference really being that.
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  Speaker 13: I actually when I was watching the Wu Tang series
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 13: on Netflix and had the idea.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 15: Yeah, that's brilliant. I completely agree. M It was nice.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 7: Nice to see everybody again.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 10: Allowing everybody on it once. Appreciate that. That was awesome.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, man, that's cool. Let's let's do this again sometimes.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 10: Let me know.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 6: It was a lot of fun. Man, that's just go bye.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 8: Man.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 6: I can't believe it's already. What time it is?
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 10: Yeah, when they said two hours, it was like, holy ship.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 13: Yeah but uh yeah, I'll talk to you later.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 10: Everybody'd be good. Thank you so much for you guys
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 10: going on.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 6: That was a classy babe.
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: Close your eyes, look into the darkness, find the blazing storm.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: Focus on it would be called the eclipse. Don't feel.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 10: What the shore be?
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: DoD and gush.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah h