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Why Seahawks PAID Jaxon Smith-Njigba $42M, 49ers-Trent Duffy drama, OBJ next team | Richard Sherman · The Richard Sherman Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Rich Sherman Podcast and another eventful
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  Speaker 1: week in the off season. Jackson Smith and Jigba becomes
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  Speaker 1: the highest paid receiver in the National Football League's illustrious
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  Speaker 1: history at forty two point one five million dollars per year.
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  Speaker 1: The Seahawks did a great job getting this deal done
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  Speaker 1: early enough that it only looks like thirty two million
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  Speaker 1: dollars a year if you do it over the lifetime
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  Speaker 1: of the deal, which is an absolute bargain for a
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  Speaker 1: receiver that just won Offensive Player of the Year is
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  Speaker 1: only trending up, only going to continue to grow rapport
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  Speaker 1: and relationship with Sam Darnold and continue to thrive. I
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  Speaker 1: think this is this this receiving court and now it's
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  Speaker 1: a well paid receiving court mental. But with Jackson Smith
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  Speaker 1: and Jigbab forty two point one point five million a year,
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  Speaker 1: you got Shaheed at seventeen a year. You got Cooper
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  Speaker 1: Cup at fifteen million dollars a year, and then you
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  Speaker 1: they matched Bobo's deal to bring him back.
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  Speaker 2: They're gonna have to produce. That's that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you know it's it's it's always nice when uh,
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  Speaker 1: you win and you do crazy things and you do
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  Speaker 1: great things, and the expectations aren't there that there's not
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  Speaker 1: a huge burden of expectation. But when you when you
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  Speaker 1: get paid, when you get paid like Shaheed and like
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  Speaker 1: Cooper Cup and like Jackson just got paid, now the
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  Speaker 1: expectations and the criticisms that come with those expectations start
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  Speaker 1: to ramp up. But I think they're ready for it.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're they're pois to have another fantastic year.
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  Speaker 1: They're not gonna surprise anybody this year. I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to go to training camp and come back and
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  Speaker 1: get on this podcast and say, hey, Mitchell, they look great,
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  Speaker 1: because everybody knows what they look like. They just won
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. H this is a great deal for
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  Speaker 1: the team. I think this this helps them long term.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna do the same thing with Devin Witherspoon. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't see any reason why they wouldn't get a
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  Speaker 1: deal done there. But this is this is incredible, and
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  Speaker 1: and Jackson seems to be ready to repeat. His energy's right,
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  Speaker 1: his mindset's right, he's the right, He's built through the
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  Speaker 1: right stuff. So I'm looking forward to to seeing them
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  Speaker 1: thrive even more this season, uh with with the burden
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  Speaker 1: of expectations they'll have on them after after last year.
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  Speaker 1: You know about this same time last year, we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about you know, them getting rid of gen O, them
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  Speaker 1: trading DK Metcalf and all the things that happened that season.
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  Speaker 1: If you would have told me a year later, we'd
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  Speaker 1: be talking about the Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks and
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  Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigbo coming off Offensive Player of the
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  Speaker 1: Year season being named the highest paid player and receiver
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  Speaker 1: in the National Football League, I would have called you crazy,
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  Speaker 1: just because at that point he was the number you know,
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  Speaker 1: two three receiver, he was mostly used in the slot,
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  Speaker 1: just hadn't shown I mean, he'd shown ability obviously in college.
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  Speaker 1: He had a three hundred yard game, but he hadn't
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  Speaker 1: been given the opportunity to showcase his ability in the
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  Speaker 1: way that he was this year. And you talk about
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  Speaker 3: Richard, this is a big day for Jackson Smith and Jigba,
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  Speaker 3: and he's one of those guys. Clearly he's all football.
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  Speaker 3: Went asked, you know you won Offensive Player of the Year,
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  Speaker 3: he won the Super Bowl. Now that he's the highest
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  Speaker 3: paid wide receiver in the league, what are you gonna
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  Speaker 3: do next? His response was one super Bowl? What's better
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  Speaker 3: than one super Bowl two? So Richard Seattle is obviously
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  Speaker 3: getting a pro here, a pros pro. He's well worth
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  Speaker 3: the money. And I know the money on its face
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  Speaker 3: seems like a lot, but the money on its face
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  Speaker 3: seemed like a lot a few years ago.
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  Speaker 2: I remember when the.
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  Speaker 3: Lions resigned onmn ross Aint Brown and gave him thirty
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  Speaker 3: million dollars a year, and all of a sudden, that
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  Speaker 3: became the next threshold for receivers. Now that forty million
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  Speaker 3: dollar mark is that next threshold. So the receivers getting
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  Speaker 3: paid after him, pooka Nakula. You know, we'll see. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know the other big names. I know George Pickens
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  Speaker 3: just got franchise. I know he won't be in that
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  Speaker 3: that tier, but I would expect some of these guys
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  Speaker 3: to be making some eye popping numbers that make fans,
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  Speaker 3: you know, wonder what the heck is going on. But
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  Speaker 3: that's just the nature of the beast. As the cap
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  Speaker 3: space goes up, these margins go up a lot higher
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  Speaker 3: for these skill positions. But ultimately you alluded to it
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  Speaker 3: throughout our offseason talk, Richard, and we were looking at,
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  Speaker 3: you know, how Seattle was positioning themselves in free agency,
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  Speaker 3: and obviously they let a little bit of their depth walk.
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  Speaker 3: They let Kenneth Walker walk, they let Boie Mafi walk,
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  Speaker 3: they let Kobe Bryant walk, et cetera. You know, all
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  Speaker 3: for this reason because they got to pay the big
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  Speaker 3: man in the room, and that's JSN. You know, Richard,
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  Speaker 3: break it down for fans so they can better understand,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the financial ramifications of offloading this much cap
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  Speaker 3: space onto a team and what it does, the trickle
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  Speaker 3: down effect that it has on the rest of the roster.
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  Speaker 1: You know, some say it kills the middle class in
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  Speaker 1: the National Football League, but I think John Snyder's doing
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  Speaker 1: an incredible job. He did an incredible job of getting
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  Speaker 1: this deal done. Early, so you know, I know, it's
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  Speaker 1: highest pace in the history of the game. But then
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  Speaker 1: you look at it over the next six years, it's
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  Speaker 1: thirty two million dollars a year, which is a very
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  Speaker 1: reasonable price for a receiver, and it's in line with
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  Speaker 1: other receivers in the league. And you look at George
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  Speaker 1: Pickens getting the franchise tag, I think, uh, he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be looking at thirty one thirty two million dollars a
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  Speaker 1: year once he gets off of that. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be fine. But this is the exact reason. You
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  Speaker 1: can't keep a good player like Kobe Bryant, you can't
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  Speaker 1: keep a Super Bowl MVP like Kenneth Walker. And you
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  Speaker 1: got a draft, well, you got a draft. Well, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta trust your depth. You gotta trust the guys you
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  Speaker 1: signed in free agency that they can pick up the slack.
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  Speaker 1: I know they feel good about Taya Kata in terms
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  Speaker 1: of what he can do, and Kobe Bryants did. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: they have a lot of love and respect for Kobe Bryant,
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  Speaker 1: and he's gonna be fantastic in Chicago. But that's why
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  Speaker 1: you draft. Well, that's why you gotta trust your depth.
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  Speaker 1: That's why you train the next guy. That's why it's
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  Speaker 1: always next man up mentality, because when you have guys
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  Speaker 1: playing at our all pro you know, offensive player of
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  Speaker 1: the year type level, you're gonna have to pay him.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna have to pay Devin Witherspoon. And when you
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  Speaker 1: pay Devin Witherspoon, then it means you're gonna expect more.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna have to lean on those guys more because
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  Speaker 1: you're not able to pay everybody else as much.
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  Speaker 2: So you know it.
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  Speaker 1: That's why what happened to San Francisco. When you're paying
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  Speaker 1: your best players, it's fine. But when you pay your
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  Speaker 1: best players and the guy you're the guys you're playing
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  Speaker 1: aren't on the field, then it's very difficult to win
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  Speaker 1: the National Football League.
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  Speaker 2: And so.
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  Speaker 1: This is gonna work out fine. I think their window
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  Speaker 1: is wide open. I think they have a great chance
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  Speaker 1: to run it back. Mike McDonald's system works. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think the NFL is caught up to it. Obviously, they're
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  Speaker 1: still looking for answers. But when you when you have
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  Speaker 1: a full all season to study a team and to
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  Speaker 1: study a defense, they're gonna be looking for the few
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  Speaker 1: weaknesses that they can expose and try to force him
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  Speaker 1: to adjust. That's the part of being a great team
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  Speaker 1: and being at the top of the mountain. That's a
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  Speaker 1: little frustrating because everybody's studying you. Everybody's trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: out how to beat you and create the next championship dynasty.
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  Speaker 1: And can this team be a dynasty? I believe so.
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  Speaker 1: I believe so because they have something. They have a
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  Speaker 1: repeatable system. You know, it's not like anything they did
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  Speaker 1: was incredibly difficult to replicate. You know, they ran the
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  Speaker 1: ball well at times. Sam Darnold I think will be
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  Speaker 1: better this year than he was last year. He had
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  Speaker 1: twenty turnovers during the season, which was among the league leaders,
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  Speaker 1: and then didn't turn the ball over once in a playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: So again, if he plays at the level that he
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  Speaker 1: played in the playoffs throughout the entire season, this is
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  Speaker 1: a juggernaut of a team, A very difficult team, a
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  Speaker 1: very difficult out for any team in the NFC or THEFC.
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  Speaker 2: And you alluded to it too.
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  Speaker 3: Another thing that this team really has is a really
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  Speaker 3: game killer at general manager in John Schneider. Last offseason
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  Speaker 3: he kind of stuck his neck on the line trading
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  Speaker 3: DK Metcalf to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Some folks kind of
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  Speaker 3: looked and wondered, you know, what's the plan here? Obviously
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  Speaker 3: getting rid of Geno. I mean, in hindsight, both of
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  Speaker 3: those moves allowed them to make a move like this
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  Speaker 3: and extending JSN because you know, DK Metcalf's another guy
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  Speaker 3: making thirty three million dollars a year, so you free
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  Speaker 3: up that cap space to be able to keep JSN
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  Speaker 3: and it's an addition by subtraction kind of thing. You're
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  Speaker 3: giving the JSN a lot more opportunity there and clearly
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  Speaker 3: proved he was that guy. You know, is there anything
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  Speaker 3: that you looked off of last offseason that should have
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  Speaker 3: been done differently for John Schneider and the Seahawks or
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  Speaker 3: do you think he just greade aa stick.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's aced the last three years, four years.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they're in a position they are because he's
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  Speaker 1: drafted really well. They've made really shrewd trades that have
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  Speaker 1: benefited them in a big way. They've taken care of
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  Speaker 1: the positions that you got to take care of, which
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  Speaker 1: you're which is offensive line and defensive line. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's not sexy to draft a guard in the first round,
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  Speaker 1: but when you do, you solidify your offensive line in
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  Speaker 1: an incredible way, and you solidify the culture of your
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  Speaker 1: offensive line. And that's what they brought in with Grey's Abel.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you just hear how the guys in the
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  Speaker 1: building talk about him and how he's changed things and
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  Speaker 1: brought them together and certain things He's forced them to
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  Speaker 1: hang out and be together because that's all he knows.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: He's one of those old school cut offensive linemans that's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we got to sit there and we got to drink
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  Speaker 1: beer together, we got to hang out, we got to
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  Speaker 1: be around each other. Hey, it's not a glamorous job,
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  Speaker 1: but goddamn it, somebody gotta do it.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta love to have those guys on the team, Richard.
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  Speaker 3: Another low key move that this team made this week
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  Speaker 3: is they re signed Jake Bobo. And I know Bobo
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  Speaker 3: filled in and had a pretty decent role with this
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  Speaker 3: team as a reserve wide receiver. He's certainly made a
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  Speaker 3: name for himself in the preseason. How much do you
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  Speaker 3: think the Seattle Seahawks like this guy? I mean, what
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  Speaker 3: do you really think he brings to the team. I
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  Speaker 3: know there was a lot of criticism, you know, with
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  Speaker 3: this forty time and all that stuff, and he put
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  Speaker 3: a lot of those fears to bed this past year.
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  Speaker 3: But what do you think Jake Bobo and his resigning
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  Speaker 3: needs to this team.
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  Speaker 1: It means a ton, you know, in a lot of phases.
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  Speaker 1: He does the dirty work. You know, he's just one
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  Speaker 1: of those blue collar guys who brings his lunch bell
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  Speaker 1: every day and goes to work. He's a guy that
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  Speaker 1: makes an incredible impact on special teams. But at receiver,
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  Speaker 1: he has plays, he has moments where where he's a
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  Speaker 1: factor and he's not going to get you know, one
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  Speaker 1: hundred targets or anything like that. But some guys are
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  Speaker 1: for the culture, for the culture of the team, you know,
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  Speaker 1: those are the guys, the nuts and bolts guys, And
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  Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that are a glue guy
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  Speaker 1: and really help hold this team together in critical moments
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  Speaker 1: that you really don't notice until those moments come up
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, man, look at Bobo just scored
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  Speaker 1: a touchdown in the playoffs, and you're like, you might
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  Speaker 1: have he might have had fifteen catches the whole year,
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  Speaker 1: and he scored a touchdown in the playoffs, And again,
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  Speaker 1: he's reliable.
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  Speaker 2: Where he needs to be.
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  Speaker 1: There's no complaints and he's just a do shit right
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  Speaker 1: guy and you need those Richard.
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  Speaker 3: The one question we have coming up next, and the
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  Speaker 3: big question for the Seattle Seahawks, is what to do
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  Speaker 3: with Devan Wetherspoon. We just saw McDuffie get paid an
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  Speaker 3: exorbitant amount of money by the LA RAMS after being
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  Speaker 3: traded over from the Kansas City Chiefs, setting a new
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  Speaker 3: market at corner after this JSN move, you know, what
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  Speaker 3: do you do with Devin Wetherspoon? Do you re up him?
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  Speaker 3: And what do you anticipate he makes? You know during
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  Speaker 3: his extension? Is he another guy that you would set
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  Speaker 3: the market with? Again, how would you handle the situation
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  Speaker 3: if you're John Schneider.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you would try not to set the market.
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  Speaker 1: But again, if you get it done early enough, then
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  Speaker 1: the years after the deal are the market seter So,
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  Speaker 1: say he gets thirty one thirty million dollars a year
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  Speaker 1: over the next four years, and they do it this
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  Speaker 1: year again, when you have a couple of years left
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  Speaker 1: on your deal, When you have a year or two
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  Speaker 1: left on your deal, it makes a big difference. And
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  Speaker 1: I think when you look at it over the lifetime
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  Speaker 1: of the deal. It looks like a much more reasonable deal.
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  Speaker 1: So again, I think he's going to get a deal,
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  Speaker 1: a record setting deal, no question about it. I think
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  Speaker 1: John Snyder is being very smart about how he does
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  Speaker 1: these things and why he's doing it so early to
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  Speaker 1: give him flexibility down the road and again allow him
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  Speaker 1: to continue to draft well, continue to replenish the cupboard,
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  Speaker 1: but also keep his guys happy, keep his best players happy.
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  Speaker 3: Why do you think there's been a movement away from
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  Speaker 3: teams like the Seattle Seahawks franchising players because you know
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  Speaker 3: a lot of fans when you hear the talk, you know,
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: specifically in a running back market, like why wouldn't you
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  Speaker 3: just franchise tag a guy like Kenneth Walker? What's why
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  Speaker 3: is it that we're not seeing as many teams franchise
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  Speaker 3: tag gu do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really have a great answer for this,
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  Speaker 1: because each team's philosophy is so different, But I think
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  Speaker 1: the Seahawks just want more long term stability, and I
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  Speaker 1: think that's the way John Snyder is thinking about things.
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  Speaker 1: He's thinking about the long term future. I mean, in
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  Speaker 1: one year, franchise tag, it puts more guaranteed money on
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  Speaker 1: the books that you can't manipulate, you can't push forward,
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  Speaker 1: you can't do anything like that. And they've done a
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  Speaker 1: fantastic job. They they're the lowest team in dead money,
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  Speaker 1: the lowest dead money team in the National Football League,
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  Speaker 1: the lowest amount of dead money. And the reason is
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  Speaker 1: because he's been incredibly shrewd in the way he's done contracts,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think he wants to be in a
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  Speaker 1: situation where he can't have flexibility, even if it's just
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  Speaker 1: for a year with the running back position, and to
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  Speaker 1: pay a number that he's not comfortable with. Because if
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  Speaker 1: you're even if you're paying top number, top dollar, if
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  Speaker 3: For sure, we got to take a little detour from
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  Speaker 3: football talk and we're gonna talk a little bit about you,
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  Speaker 3: because for all of our listeners out there, I don't
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: know if you've heard my guy right here, Richard Sherman
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: was just nominated for an Emmy. Emerging on Air Talent
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  Speaker 3: Richard Sherman Emmy nominee. You know, Richard, talk a little
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: bit about how much it means to you to be
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: nominated for something like this for the Emmy. Obviously, you
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: were a hell of a football player. You began working
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: in the media shortly after retirement and you've been kicking ass.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: What does it mean to you to be named as
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: a nominee for an Emmy at this stage, this early
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  Speaker 3: on in your media career.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's incredibly humbling and it means a ton, but
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  Speaker 1: it's just a testament to the product and the team
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  Speaker 1: we have at Thursday Night Football. It's such a joy
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: to come to work every day, to work with Chris,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Tony Fitz, with Taylor, you know, the the entire staff.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many incredible people behind the scenes putting in
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  Speaker 1: work making sure we're in the position of Mina Spoon Kaiser,
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  Speaker 1: you know that, the higher ups, the execs, Jay Marine
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  Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, it's just so many people
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  Speaker 1: on these teams that do a phenomenal job, Mariano of
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  Speaker 1: making sure that we have an incredible product where we're prepared,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: everything is running, everything's worth it's supposed to be. Uh
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: my guy bk making sure you know, whether it's the
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: graphics are are making sure you know they're they're they're
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: switching to the right channel, or they're switching to the
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: right scene or the next camera, et cetera, et cetera,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, it's you know, Chris is obviously the glue
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: that holds everything together. So I'm just grateful to be
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  Speaker 1: a part of such an amazing team and and to
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  Speaker 1: be nominated for an Emmy.
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  Speaker 2: Is is a really cool deal.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just more attestament to the entire product that
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  Speaker 1: we get to put out there every week and it's
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  Speaker 1: a joy to do it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm excited to see you win it. Like I said,
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  Speaker 3: you have my vote, Rich, you got my vote. Let's
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: talk a little bit matter, yes, sir, Let's talk a
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: little bit about these San Francisco forty nine ers. You know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: the big news in San Francisco right now is what's
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: going on with Trent Williams. And obviously he's entering the
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: last year his contract. He's got a huge cap hit.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: The forty nine Ers declined his ten million dollar option,
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  Speaker 3: which basically moves that ten million dollars into his current
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: base salary. You know, the option was in there to
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: give him some flexibility if they wanted to extend that
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: out for three more void years. So they're choosing to
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: take the cap hit all up front this year. What
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: do you what do you make of the strategy here?
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: What do you think John Lynchin is positioning himself in
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: this team.
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  Speaker 1: For to be to continue to be a very competitive
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: football team. I think they've gotten frustrated, not with Trent Williams.
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  Speaker 1: But just with the dead money situation that they've run
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  Speaker 1: into year after year after year. I think they've been,
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  Speaker 1: you know, amongst the top dead money teams for the
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: last few years because of Javon Hargraves contract, Deebo, Samuel,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: you know, so many guys that they've had to part
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: ways with for for whatever reason.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: But they're trying to get away from that.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: So I don't think they want to to to throw
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: more dead money into the future. I think they're trying
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: to to take their licks now. I don't think. But
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: again I haven't talked to John or Kyle, but I
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: don't I obviously don't see them getting rid of Trent Williams.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Trent feels like he has a tremendous amount of leverage. Obviously,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the longer these negotiations go on, the less leverage I
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: think Trent has because teams are gonna spend the money.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: They're gonna spend the money, they're gonna get pay guys,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: they're gonna start to playing for next year. They're gonna
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: start to think, hey, this situation is done and teams
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: can't just create thirty million dollars in cap out of nowhere,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: you know, some teams can, but the contenders usually have
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  Speaker 1: a tight cap situation. So, you know, I think this
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: situation is going to get rectified. But obviously it's it's
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: been a bit of a distractionist offseason. But both sides
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: want to be here. Both sides want to want Trent
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  Speaker 1: Williams in San Francisco, and that's something I believe and
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I think that's what's gonna ultimately happen.
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  Speaker 3: Well, this is not the same situation from last year
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: with Brandon Ayuk. I think Trent Williams, like you said,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: really wants to be there. The reality is he is
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: getting up there in age. You know, his career is
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: probably coming to a close here in the next few years.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure he wants to make as much money as possible,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: and I'm sure that forty nine ers want him at
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  Speaker 3: left tackle for.
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  Speaker 2: The foreseeable future here.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Richard, we got to talk a little flag football over
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: the weekend and you kind of talked about I don't
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: know how much we've actually talked about it on this podcast,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: but you and I have talked about it separately, and
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I remember asking you, I said, you, I mean, I
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: feel like NFL players would go and just demolished Team USA,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: And you said, I don't know if that's the case,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: because there's a lot of different rules at play, and
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: clearly we saw that all play out in real time.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: You saw these guys doing like wrestling knee crawl moves,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: avoiding defenders and just doing these fake spin moves and
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: just all over the place. And yet we've got former
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: and current NFL players that are just getting diced up
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: by these guys. Maybe Team USA and Team USA flag
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: football has made us all believers. Now, do you think
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  Speaker 3: there's any situation where if the NFL stars were to
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: truly give it there all in practice by NFL or
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: by the flag football rules, and you learn the strategy,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: do you think you know, given a little bit of time,
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  Speaker 3: they might be able to put up a better fight
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  Speaker 3: here or what?
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  Speaker 1: No question about it, but this man, it's exactly what
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I thought would happen. I thought I thought it would
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: be worse than what it was because it's such a
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: different game, and for them to put actual linebackers out
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  Speaker 1: there was insane. I mean, you don't put linebackers have
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  Speaker 1: no business in flag football. Their their entire build is
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: to stop runs and be physical, and that has no
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: place in flag football. So your middle linebackers is gonna
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: be like a nickel. It's gonna be like a nickel.
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  Speaker 1: He's quick, agile, you know, maybe a taller nickel. Maybe
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you get to my like Kyle Hamilton, who can be
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: good in space. But there's no place for bigger guys
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and even the superstar guys that you're looking for. You know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Jamier Gibbs would be great. I think K nine would
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: be great in flag football. I think I think Tyreek
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Keel would be fantastic. Not it wouldn't necessarily be the
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: guys that make the best NFL players to play football
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: flag football. You know, it's sometimes it'd be the guy
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: who is the guy who is an offseason like, you know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: T shirt warrior, you know, the T shirt and shorts,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: you know, superstar. Those would make great flag football players.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: They don't always translate into the best physical football players.
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  Speaker 1: But it's also a different game and you and you
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: you got to respect the guys that that play that
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: game and the way they play that game. And some
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: people would ask me before they were like, oh, well man,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: they're gonna NFL is gonna send the team to the Olympics.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I said, I don't see very many NFL players being
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: on the roster at all. Now again, jamiir gives K nine.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: You know, guys that are dynamic in short area quickness
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and some of these scat little small, jitterbug receivers. Sure,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I think McDuffie would do well in this sense, you know,
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  Speaker 1: But do I do I think every corner, every elite
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: corner that we have, would do well in this in
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  Speaker 1: this game. No, I don't, because again, taking flags isn't
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the same as tackling. You can track somebody down to
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  Speaker 1: tackle them. You can, you can square them up, you
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: can read their body, and you can get yourself in
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: a position to bring them down. But the way they're
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: able to manipulate their body and lower their flags and
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: change the angles of their flags isn't something that NFL
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: players are used to. I mean, I saw Patrick Peterson
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  Speaker 1: going against I show speed and he tracked him. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in football, it would have been a great tackle.
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  Speaker 1: You would put his shoulder on him, he would have
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  Speaker 1: been to the ground, but he spun away from him
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  Speaker 1: because you gotta grab his flags at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day. And and that's something that takes practice and
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: it's not one of those things that's that comes easier,
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  Speaker 1: comes naturally to guys. So yeah, it's it's it's a
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  Speaker 1: different coverage, the field smaller. You know that the game
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: is so much different for quarterbacks. Everybody's like, oh, these
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks are putting on a bad showing, and that's it's
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: a different game. It's a different game. They're reading it
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: like these are the coverages they're used to seeing, but
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: it's not. It's not the coverages you're used to seeing,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: and it's not the guys playing the positions that you're
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: used to playing. So I think with more practice and
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and and changing the guys, you know, you're not going
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: with your your the superstars that you're used to.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: You're going with.
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  Speaker 1: The the guys who can who can move in space,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: who can cover in space, or quick, who have great
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: hand eye coordination. Lamar Jackson would be fantastic in this league.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: You know, you got to have a mobile quarterback. You
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: know you can't.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is a fantastic quarterback.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady's a fantastic quarterback, but in plag you need
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: a mobile guy who might be able to fling it
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: just enough.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw a random name out there. Who I
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: think would be an All star in flight football. Cavante Turpin.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: You know the Dallas Cowboys speeds, Yes, short, agile, quick,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Rashid Shaheed, your guy up in Seattle. Guys like that
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: that bring that element of quickness and speed to the game.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Look Out.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: What will you just explained, Richard, is what in the
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: fighting community the difference between MMA and boxing, right? I mean,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: you see all these MMA fighters try to fight in
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: boxing and it's a totally different sport. I think we
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: witnessed it this past weekend. Flag football is a lot
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: different than tackle football. But given time, I'm sure the
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: NFL stars could figure it out. But we did see
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Odell Beckham Junior make a big catch in that game.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: You know, he's still not on a team. What what
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: gives with him? Do you think he'll get an opportunity
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: this year?
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm hearing that their speculation out there that
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: teams are more interested because they's shown. I mean, he
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: can play, he can catch the ball at a high level.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: A lot of the issues for him recently have just
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: been health. Can he get on the field, can he
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: stay on the field. When he's on the field, he
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: can play, He can catch the ball. What is his role?
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Can he fit that role? Can he can he thrive
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: in a different role? You know, he's been a superstar
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: for so long. Can he thrive in a secondary role?
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: We'll see. But again, he's a guy who can play
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the game. You you talk about DeAndre Hopkins, you know
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: another guy who can just play the game. They just
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: they're just football players. And if you put him out
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: there and you throwing the ball, they're going to make
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: some plays. Are they what they used to be in
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: their prime? No other time waits for no man.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: But are they quality football players still? Yeah? I think so,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: and I think they can have a role.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Well, we shall see. There's a lot of veterans that
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: are still like to be assigned here in free agencies.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: And we've still got a lot of time left, you know,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: obviously on the horizons the draft, Richard, We're gonna have
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: a lot more to talk about leading up to the draft.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure sitting down with you again. Congrats
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: on your Emmy nomination, well deserved. I will let you
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: sign us off, my friend.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Mitchell. I appreciate that. As always, you guys
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: can be anywhere in the world. But you're here with
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: us and we sincerely appreciate it. Thank you so much.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Hope your off season's going well. Hope your spring's going well.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I hope you have a great Easter in a couple
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: of weeks. All love, We'll see you next time.