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NIKAL FIELDZ - Rice, Beans, and Music Dreams · Eating While Broke

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Wit and today we have a
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  Speaker 1: very special guest and personal friend of mine, nickel Fields,
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  Speaker 1: artist writer, producer uh is in the building. And this
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  Speaker 1: is a very special full circle moment. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: people when they hear artists, writer, producer, you think of, hey,
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  Speaker 1: someone that you're seeing in your face all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Nick has worn a lot of hats where I feel
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  Speaker 1: like this is gonna be a very educational moment in
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  Speaker 1: regards to like getting music placement, writing on albums, and
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  Speaker 1: what the what the hard lessons can be learned when
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  Speaker 1: you are writing on albums. So this is this is
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  Speaker 1: a really this this will probably be a very entertaining interview,
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  Speaker 1: but I just wanted to highlight all of that prior
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  Speaker 1: to us even starting. I'm trying to like navigate because
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  Speaker 1: he's had to. You've had to navigate some pretty tough
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  Speaker 1: waters being in this industry for as long as you have, so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been some roadblocks and noodles. So throw myself
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  Speaker 2: off a bridge.
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  Speaker 1: Moments, Yeah, definitely, Yeah, for sure. So what are you
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  Speaker 1: gonna have me eating today?
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  Speaker 2: Today? I'm just going to do quick, simple little rice
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  Speaker 2: and beans, rice and beans and like not like homemade
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  Speaker 2: rice rice like out the package rice and beans that
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  Speaker 2: I lived off for about two months.
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  Speaker 1: Two months every day, three day.
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  Speaker 2: You might have you might have got some tuna fish
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  Speaker 2: in there next to it. Here and there, you know,
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  Speaker 2: some chicken if it was a good week.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've been making jokes that Nick's dish
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  Speaker 1: is going to be the worst one. No, it's actually
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  Speaker 1: a compliment to you. It's the brokeus dish. But then again,
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  Speaker 1: it's actually not the brokeused dish now I think about it,
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  Speaker 1: because I may have been the Brokeus for today, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what would you make humus.
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  Speaker 2: Garbanzo beans can get expensive.
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  Speaker 1: So all right, well let's get into you cook it
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  Speaker 1: for me, So go ahead, start the rice and beans.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna get it going. So you got some red
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  Speaker 2: hot later the sassoon. I'm from New York, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: upstate New York, Rochester. So I grew up with a
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  Speaker 2: lot of Portugan Miinnicans. And this is one thing except
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  Speaker 2: for they make home made seasons. I'm gonna go. I
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  Speaker 2: gotta figure it out as I can.
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  Speaker 1: So you got so you're gonna do rice beans hot sauce.
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  Speaker 1: And what did you say that was?
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  Speaker 2: That's it? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Seasoning, seasoning, all right, yeah, so take me back to
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  Speaker 1: what was going on in the air of it is
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  Speaker 1: red beans and rice, right, red beans, red beans and beans.
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  Speaker 1: I called them red beans, right, those are red though, right.
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  Speaker 1: M every time I hear you say pencil, I think
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  Speaker 1: of white beans, red beans, and.
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  Speaker 2: Rice guysy beans. Okay, I know all the beans. So
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  Speaker 2: this is just gonna dump that in there, and we're
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  Speaker 2: just gonna let that rot. Ain't much really, you gotta
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  Speaker 2: do little olive oil. Actually, I don't even need that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad you had some olive oil because I ain't
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  Speaker 2: have enough. Okay, yeah, I ain't even have no money
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  Speaker 2: for oil. Sticky.
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  Speaker 1: I've never actually put rice, I mean oil in my rice.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just ready to do it. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna we're gonna find out together. You know, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna find out together. Now, I'm gonna I may add
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  Speaker 1: olive oil to my rice.
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  Speaker 2: Moving forward, listen the directions on the package. Oh, just
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  Speaker 2: put some olive oil or some butter in it, so
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  Speaker 2: you know, okay, Sometimes I follow directions, not very often
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  Speaker 2: but occasionally.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So take me back to what's going on during
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  Speaker 1: the time of two months of living on This.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't long after I moved to LA. So moved to
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  Speaker 2: LA with some friends and kind of came out had
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of money saved up from doing some
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  Speaker 2: shit I shouldn't have been doing.
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  Speaker 1: Like what, selling drugs.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's over ten years. Good, good, it's over
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  Speaker 2: ten years.
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  Speaker 1: And I would say people on eating while broke, we're
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  Speaker 1: a drug.
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  Speaker 2: Dealer under yeah, so you know, I uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and coming out here and anybody knows that's ever hustled
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  Speaker 2: drugs and shit like that. It's fast money, easy come easy. Gough,
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  Speaker 2: not really easy because of what you're risking to get it,
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  Speaker 2: depending what you're selling. But yeah, easy come easy. Go
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  Speaker 2: get these beans over here and here real quick. So
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  Speaker 2: a lot of times I used to drain the juice.
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  Speaker 2: Now I just keep it a little extra protein because
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  Speaker 2: when you're broke, you eat all of protein you can get.
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  Speaker 1: You're hilarious, right, yeah, you know what I'm saying. So,
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  Speaker 1: so continue with your story. What's going on in this era?
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  Speaker 2: So moved out here, had a little bit of bread,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, you get caught up in the allure
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  Speaker 2: as that everybody does. So and a friend of mine
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  Speaker 2: I moved out here with at the time had been
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  Speaker 2: doing really well. So first, you know, I came out
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  Speaker 2: without the plans of work. I was currently signed to
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  Speaker 2: BMG as a songwriter at the time as well. Ran
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  Speaker 2: blew through my budget or not my budget, but my
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  Speaker 2: advance didn't last long.
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  Speaker 1: And that sucks because the advance had to be recooped.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yes, supposed to be supposed to hilarious, Yes, it's
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be recouped.
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  Speaker 1: So you ran through the advance.
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  Speaker 2: I yeah, I like, I actually ran through most of
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  Speaker 2: the advances before I even moved out here, because I
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  Speaker 2: was living in New York City prior to between there
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  Speaker 2: in Rochester, had a radio show at Upstate New York,
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  Speaker 2: and then I also was working in the studios. There
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  Speaker 2: was a point where literally squatting in BMG's old offices
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  Speaker 2: at Midtown.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, literally did they know that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they had moved their offices out of the facility
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  Speaker 2: and the building was still I guess they still had
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  Speaker 2: We still had access codes to the building for like
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  Speaker 2: three months. So there was a bunch of us that
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  Speaker 2: were a bunch of us. I don't let me not
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  Speaker 2: say a bunch, but yes, quite a few of us
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  Speaker 2: that were like signed in all hustling, trying to get
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  Speaker 2: it because you know what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was about to say.
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  Speaker 2: It like glamer and glitz. From the outside, everybody's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: here's my big chain. I made it, But you don't.
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  Speaker 2: You don't see the ship you had to go through
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  Speaker 2: for you know, ten years of overnight success.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy to think that an artist signed to
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  Speaker 1: BMG would be like squatting in the BMG offices and
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  Speaker 1: then they here more than one. Do you think that
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  Speaker 1: was a bad business or just a bad business on
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  Speaker 1: their part or bad business on you guys mishandling your
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  Speaker 1: own money.
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  Speaker 2: Uh So it's a combination of both in my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like, I mean, the industry is the industry.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's an entertainment industry. In my opinion, it's very
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  Speaker 2: feast or famine. Either you're fucking scraping to get by
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  Speaker 2: to get your moment or you're getting it. There isn't
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  Speaker 2: and maybe after you get it, like you really crack
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  Speaker 2: something good, then.
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  Speaker 1: It comes stay with me if you mean stirring a
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  Speaker 1: pot comes stay with me.
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  Speaker 2: This is it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if we explain to you, but when
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  Speaker 1: you sit down with me, you're gonna have to talk
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  Speaker 1: closer into these mics.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I'm losing my radio. I saw my lapel mic on.
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  Speaker 1: My Let me tell you something. Nothing I heart hates
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  Speaker 1: more than a lapel mic.
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  Speaker 2: Oh all right, well, I gat by the way.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. They always they you know me and eyebrows.
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  Speaker 1: God bless me with some great ones. But but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just try to get as close as possible. So tell me.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, So tell me so prior to you. Now
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  Speaker 1: that I know that this dish originated from the BMG deal,
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  Speaker 1: I definitely am gonna have to go backwards. So tell
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  Speaker 1: me how you got your deal.
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  Speaker 2: So I ended up signing with Billy Mann after somebody
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  Speaker 2: else originally from Rochester as well, that knew me from
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  Speaker 2: the music scene up there, passed the story and some
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  Speaker 2: demos along to him after I had written lighters.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't explain this. This is your camera, that's mine.
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  Speaker 1: So still so you looking at me, but you kind
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  Speaker 1: of all got you go ahead. Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: So I ended up at BMG after the story traveled
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  Speaker 2: through a friend of mine to Billy Mann about and
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  Speaker 2: then some demos went through for the song Lighters I
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  Speaker 2: mean and Bruno Mars Royce nine. So that was originally
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  Speaker 2: the original version of that is a demo that I
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  Speaker 2: wrote with a producer in upstate New York. It was
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  Speaker 2: originally a record for myself and then ended up making
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  Speaker 2: its way to their team and becoming a pretty big record.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it became a pretty big record.
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  Speaker 1: But they got ahold of you, you approved it, you
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  Speaker 1: cleared it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man, I would love it if that's the way
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  Speaker 2: it went.
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  Speaker 1: So tell us what happened.
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  Speaker 2: So the producer, after we had an agreement in place,
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  Speaker 2: basically a couple of days later, it was like, yoah,
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  Speaker 2: I want seventeen grand for this song, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Created it together type shit?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, that wasn't the agreement we had.
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  Speaker 2: And in my head I'm like, oh, he must have
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  Speaker 2: somebody interested in this thing. Sure enough he did. At
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  Speaker 2: the time we thought it was I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: Drake by the way he was saying.
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  Speaker 1: Some certain things and what year is this?
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  Speaker 2: Two thousand?
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  Speaker 1: So Drake was out wait, it was pretty new Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Drake was very new.
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  Speaker 2: It was pretty new.
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  Speaker 1: It was before his mixtape drop.
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  Speaker 2: No. No, it was after No Drake, Drake Scott Drag Scott.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm saying, what didn't he drop in like two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and eight.
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  Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. Clarity, Okay, this was two
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  Speaker 2: thousand so well, yeah, it was like because he was
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  Speaker 2: you know, he was alluding to something about Toronto blah
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  Speaker 2: blah blah whatever whatnot, so long and short in that sense. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, dope, this you know, this could be dope,
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  Speaker 2: not really much to talk about. I'm pretty green in
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  Speaker 2: the sense of still learning a lot of the business,
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  Speaker 2: like I didn't. Everything I've learned is from trial and error.
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  Speaker 1: So but he tries to sell you what his half
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  Speaker 1: or what was he trying to sell you?
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  Speaker 2: No, No, he was he just wanted because he had
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  Speaker 2: worked on this comes up later. He had worked on, uh,
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  Speaker 2: making the band and all that sort of stuff. So
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  Speaker 2: what was the group the boy band that Quanto is
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  Speaker 2: in because Quanto is also from Rochester Q but this
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  Speaker 2: producer worked.
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  Speaker 1: On, yeah, making that stuff, making the band and.
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  Speaker 2: All that stuff, and that was kind of like the
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  Speaker 2: end of the conversation between he and I until and
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  Speaker 2: so what say, six months later, I just found out
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  Speaker 2: about some new family recently around that time that was
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  Speaker 2: out in California, and I was out, don't you worry
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  Speaker 2: about my.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just all right gone.
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  Speaker 2: I was out in l a visit planning a trip, planning,
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  Speaker 2: like because I was looking into moving out here after
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  Speaker 2: meeting some newfound family. And I heard the song on
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  Speaker 2: the radio, your song song I was a part of.
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  Speaker 2: I heard it on the radio first time I ever heard.
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  Speaker 1: It in La or in Los Angeles. Oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: And who was who was it? It was this.
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  Speaker 2: Eminem Bruno Mars Royce to five nine and it was
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  Speaker 2: like right around the time Bruno Mars had airplanes and
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  Speaker 2: all that.
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  Speaker 1: I definitely want to know what that feeling was like
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  Speaker 1: of joy slash.
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  Speaker 2: I immediately text the producer was like, oh shit, congrats
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  Speaker 2: we got one. Oh well thanks was the response. So
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  Speaker 2: in my head, I'm like, oh, like get a check.
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  Speaker 2: You know that sort of thing never happened. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 2: basically discredited everything anything I had to do with the record,
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  Speaker 2: sold the record off, everything was already done by the
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  Speaker 2: time I heard the record, so I had no parts
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  Speaker 2: in it. I didn't understand then, because, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I was still learning a lot of the business how to.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't realize then at the time I could, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't have the song registered with a pro which c
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  Speaker 2: sack b a my ra ascap at that time. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't realize once something like that happens, you have two
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  Speaker 2: years Somewhere in that show, I.
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  Speaker 1: Was about to ask you, like, we can't go after
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  Speaker 1: them now?
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  Speaker 2: Yah, oh, listen, I've There's been many of conversations, especially
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  Speaker 2: because it you know, it reappeared on his great as hits,
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  Speaker 2: like this song has been Like at this point in time,
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  Speaker 2: I probably owed like one point two two point three
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  Speaker 2: million dollars in royalties.
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  Speaker 1: So I would be so when you record the record,
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  Speaker 1: it's like two friends recording in a studio, right is that?
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  Speaker 2: What's friends? Is a loose term? All right?
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  Speaker 1: But friends? But you know what, what's the old saying?
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  Speaker 2: And at the time at the time I'm living I'm
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  Speaker 2: how old was I at the time, Like early thirties.
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  Speaker 2: I'm living in my brother's attic in Rochester. It's like
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  Speaker 2: rock bottom for me. My brother's married, got a kid
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  Speaker 2: at ack, ain't got no heat I'm up there.
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  Speaker 1: And you had this hit song on the radio boom
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  Speaker 1: and well, and you find out about it while you're
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  Speaker 1: visiting in La Yes, and this sounds like a terrible
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  Speaker 1: nightmare slash h. I definitely want to go through all
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  Speaker 1: these emotions that you're feeling.
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  Speaker 2: Well, okay, yeah, let's do it. I mean obviously there's
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  Speaker 2: some holy shit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, because validate, validation, like yeah, like all of
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  Speaker 3: the things, because it's this isn't something that I hadn't
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  Speaker 3: been working towards.
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  Speaker 2: So it started out as anartist myself, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: started my first studio with some friends when I was
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  Speaker 2: sixteen technically, So in the midst of all that, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: there's that, but then there's the part of me now.
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  Speaker 2: The producer was a Christian, super Christian, like very godly
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  Speaker 2: youth pastor.
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  Speaker 1: That's really going to hurt because then you really had
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  Speaker 1: more faith that things are going to go.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't buy his bullshit from the beginning. Oh yeah, so.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you mention it?
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  Speaker 2: Because the part of the struggle that I had then
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  Speaker 2: was being like, Yo, this dude's not a good dude,
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  Speaker 2: and be like, Yo, this is what happened, and nobody
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  Speaker 2: nobody was really believing me, Like, I don't want a
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  Speaker 2: few of my peers that were like witnessed this stuff happen,
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  Speaker 2: but in a big scheme of things, nobody was like.
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  Speaker 1: No, no one was biting.
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  Speaker 2: No one was biting. Until years later he got arrested
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  Speaker 2: for some.
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  Speaker 1: Shit and genuinely curious was the producer black white or
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  Speaker 1: he was black? So also, you're this white boy, you
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  Speaker 1: got it. You gotta acknowledge the stereotype for white people,
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  Speaker 1: especially in hip hop. Of course there has to be
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  Speaker 1: a struggle there, but man, it must have felt kind
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  Speaker 1: of good to a white rapper picked it up, you know,
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  Speaker 1: iconic legend.
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  Speaker 2: It's you know what's funny. The part about it that
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  Speaker 2: makes it really funny is I was a huge fan
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  Speaker 2: of Eminem, so obviously was right well because product, because
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I started rapping before everybody knew who Eman
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  Speaker 2: I was, so before I was like you Vanilla, I
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  Speaker 2: used to ask, motherfucker, that was the clownage that I
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: would get as a white kid rapp And it was like,
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  Speaker 2: I was rapping before it was cool for white kids
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  Speaker 2: to rap. Yeah, And then he came along, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: this dude's dope, like and hearing him and he's dope,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: and his album dropped and I was showing people his
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: stuff prior to his album coming out, and his album dropped.
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  Speaker 2: At a time in my life where I was sent away,
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  Speaker 2: I got caught with coke and crack and I I
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  Speaker 2: got copped out like I was using it, blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 2: first defense, facing one in the third to three years.
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  Speaker 2: It was making an example out of me, and I
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  Speaker 2: copped out, ended up in drug court, long term rehab.
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  Speaker 2: Bullshit because I'm like, I got a drug problem. If
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: sold drugs to buy weed.
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  Speaker 1: And just to clarify, though you never touched the stuff, right, no,
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  Speaker 1: I never smoke crack. Hilarious sold back, You're hilarious because
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  Speaker 1: now could you imagine a non drug person in.
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  Speaker 2: Rehab and well, and the worst part is like, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm in an outpatient and this is terrible. The outpatient
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: counselor's like I'm twenty three, I'm like sixteen years old,
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm on full top of the world, asshole attitude.
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  Speaker 2: And this is all before this mute this part, But
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: at this time I'm just talking about it because and
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: so I think she's hitting on me. So I asked
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  Speaker 2: her out to dinner. Next time I go to court,
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  Speaker 2: I don't arrest my ass, kick me out of there,
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  Speaker 2: send me to long term impatient.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So then I get sent away for a year too long.
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  Speaker 2: Tom in patient basically with people it's like their last
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  Speaker 2: stop before going to prison. So I was in there
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  Speaker 2: with like heroinatics and all sorts of stuff, and I'm
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: trying to play along. You are like I belonged, like
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: I'm at like I have this drug problem. I did.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I had a problem selling drugs at the time, and
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: so I'm trying to play that along.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: And yeah, so you you you passed the acting test
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: of being a reform drug addict.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: I was there eleven and a half months and then
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I got kicked out. They said I went as far
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: as I could in the program. So I thought I
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: was about to go to jail anyways.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Oh but really they were just releasing you because you
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: were no longer a fake drug addict, right is that.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: What the theoretically? Sure? Yeah, I don't know. I know
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: they fucked up some paperwork. I was supposed to get
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: sent to a halfway house. That didn't happen. I got
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: out patient again this time it was an old lady,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: so I wasn't trying to hit on her.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: We was good, okay, okay, got it. So the record
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: comes out on the on the radio. This man sold
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: it and his respet bonds is like, thanks.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: What do you want? What did you do on the record?
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like really and so. And this is
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: prior to me being signed to BMG, So I hadn't
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: been Everything I knew about how song splits and things
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: of that nature worked up to that point was just
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: of what I learned around people that I was working with,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: and we were all figuring that out. There wasn't nobody
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: that really teaching us how to do this shit. We
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: were kids, you know, So I didn't know. Like I said,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't know how to protect myself. I didn't know
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: any of these things. And that was pretty much it.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I had no money to get a lawyer, you know,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: and going after so why.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Did you think that to even ask you to pay
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: for a seventeen thousand record when he knew you didn't
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: even have that money.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Because it was his way of sweeping it over and
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: doing what he wanted with it and trying to find
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: a way to not entitle me to anything. Yeah, yeah,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: but later, like I said, later, you know, and getting
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: in a songwriting sessions like with bigger artists and things
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: of that nature. After I signed, I learned rather quickly
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: what it's like, Oh, this is what you're entitled to
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: when you're a part of a record like this, Like
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: somebody can almost be in a room half the time,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: not do anything and get a piece of assng on. Say, really,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: one word can kind of entitle you to some stuff
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: because you could say one word that changes the direction
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: of the entire record.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: So like if you're doing a studio session and I
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: sit in on your studio session and I say fla
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: la la la, and you go.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: And that becomes part of the hook and you change
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: the direction of the record, the right thing to do
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: is to give you a piece of that.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Really, even off that, even does it happened?
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Not really. I'm just this is why I don't like
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: people in my sessions managers, Like, if you're not a
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: part of this creative process, fuck up out of here.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: You're a distraction and I don't want any of your ideas.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, but just so for educational points, because this just
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: got real interesting. So if if a girl or you
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: know how guys like to invite a bunch of chicks
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: to a studio session, right theoret girl comes in because
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: this does happen. I've been in the studio. Everybody know
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: will go down in studios. Well hopefully people know. But okay,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: say some girls in there and they're working on a
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: record and she goes fallow la or she goes oh
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I like that part, but maybe I'd say it like this.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: If they don't take that advice, does she still option? Okay? No,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: but then how can you even prove if if it
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: did make.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: See and that's where the gray area of creating something
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: out of thin air and making it a tangible product.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, but then it becomes a he said, she
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: said too. Right yeah, so the best your best piece
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: of advice is nobody outside of artists and production are
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: in the room first.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, and again it's like it varies. Everybody has
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: their process. So is there an end? A will be
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: all to that?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: It's like, so to clarify though, for lighters, what role
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: did you play on that actual co.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Writing concept of the record is mine? There was as
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: we're going back and forth on production, he's playing keys.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I was a guy in the direction of the keys
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: and what we were doing, and then writing the hook.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: He had the idea of it, and then together we
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: formulated it into this lighter sting. And mind you, the
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: original demo when Bruno and the smeusing tens and everybody
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: got it, they wrote it out even further, so it
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: was even better when they were done with it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: But the so I was a part.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Of the writing the melody, so Eminem did rewrite his.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: He wrote his own. Everybody wrote their own.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, except for the course. The course is the one
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: thing that stayed, and that was the one thing. It's
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: funny because the entire concept of the record, even some
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: things that were said in it. I to this day
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: don't know whether they heard the demo with just the
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: hook or my verses, because there's even some similarities there.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: But a hook will guide you, exceptually on a record,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: So I wouldn't say that. And and I know some
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: of that stories got back to some of the folks
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: in that camp, but at the time I know none
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: of them had any clue. Yeah, So it wasn't like, oh,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I know, but in talking about prior, like when I
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: was sent away, like I got a home visit and
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Eminem's record came out and like his first album was
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: some shady and so it's like rock bottom and things
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: of that nature are on it. And so that was
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: like at that time, I got this home visit, which
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: sucked me up because they send you home to fuck
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: you up on purpose to see if you're gonna do drugs,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: And that was a big It was like I was
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: sixteen seventeen, torn away from everything I've known, thrown out
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: on a farm in the middle of a country, grew
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: up in the fucking city shoveling pig shit for a
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: year and a half. For a year. It was basically
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: a boot camp, nicely for a boot camp, shot camp
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: type shit. And so when this happened later on and
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: then I didn't get anything for it, it was almost
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: like one of my I don't want to say, like
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: one of my superheroes, especially for hip hop, and knowing
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: his story from what I had up to that point,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: it was like such a It was like a kick
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: in the dick because now there's this record that it
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: was like, Yo, this would be a record that have
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: not only changed my life, but everybody I had been
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: working with could have helped my helped me put my
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: sister's kids and a better school, paid off my mom's house,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: which still ain't paid off. But like things of that nature,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: so it was it was interesting the effect that it
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: had on me in that sense as well.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: But in this case though, it wasn't an eminem situation.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: This is a this is a produce that Eminem has
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: no clue. Yeah, not even not even in proximity on any.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Level, not even close.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: So why did you feel that way?
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Uh? Like shit? You feel how you feel? You know
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: it wasn't.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm ever going to be affected
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: by jays if if anything has to any peripherals of
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: jay Z. Just no, I'm a man at whoever played
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: be but lazy, I'll be like Yo, it must have
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: been annoyed that our stars would be aligned. And it's
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: just going it.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Sound good like and and But when you've been fighting
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: your whole life to have this validation, have this point,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: You're broke, you're living, You're thirty years old, living in
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: an attic, can't figure out, ain't got like, ain't got
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: a pot to pissing, selling drugs ain't the way because
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: you keep doing that and get in trouble. So it's
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: like there's a there's a bitterness because then I start
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: counting what I'm not getting. It's like, yeah, there's this vindication.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: This is great. Now it's like but now I'm not
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: like now the opportunity. And it wasn't even always about
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the money. It was like that alone, that credit could
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: have opened the door for me to go in with
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: somebody else, to going with this person, which then.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: And that's at the moment everybody works, Yeah, and that's
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: a natural reaction. That would be a total logical, natural reaction.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Everybody would feel that way, right, yeah, and you know.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: And so and it's like and then there's the part
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: of like, don't go after it. You're like, don't try
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: to fight for it, chase down the labels and this that,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: because then you're gonna get black balled. And it's kind
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: of like and I fought with that for a long time,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: and it's like black ball from what?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: So then how does BMG pick you up from a
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: non credit?
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: So the story travel and it ends up I end up.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: It's funny. I was so broke. I had an NPC
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: two thousand or twenty five hundred at the time, which
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: is a piece of studio equipment A lot of producers know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: and I had to sell it so I could get
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: the money to afford the bus ticket to take the
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: bus down to New York City to have the meeting
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: for BMG. So I sold a piece of my studio equipment, damn,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: so I could go and be able to Yeah, so
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I could have Actually, it's funny I think about it.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I sold it. I sold that. I sold that NPC
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: to thirty eight Speci, another artist out of Rochester that
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: he's done a lot of stuff with Benny, Griselda and
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: them guys. So these are all this is all the
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: kind of the folks I grew up around green Land
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: and all those folks.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: You go to the meeting and how does that meeting go?
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Meeting is great? Like so I had prior to I
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: sent over some demos and they liked what they heard.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: They saw potential whatever the case and the story had
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: he had heard the story about this Lighter's record. So
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: we talked and it was a writing camp that weekend,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: so it was kind of like, we want to sign
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: you and this to this col pub deal. I'm at this.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: The first session I have is at Michael Bolton's house.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, was a friend of Billy's. Ye so, And
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: it wasn't with Michael, but it's at his house because
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: that's where they were holding the camp and they were
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: like next to each other in different studios. But the
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: story like he was Billy was advocate of the underdog,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: and part of it was like, yo, we can look
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: into this and go after it litigation, YadA YadA, YadA YadA.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: So part of that was, oh shit, I might actually
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: get what's due to me. So I signed because first
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: of all, I didn't have many other options.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: So you're selling your producer equipment. So it's like the
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: options on the tape.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: No no, no, It's like where, yeah, where does it
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: go from here? And meanwhile, I'm on, I have a
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: radio show in Rochester as well. I'm on I have
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: a radio show seven on Saturday nights. At the time
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: that became one of the highest rated radio shows in
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: the station's history at one point. So it's like, here
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I am in this public perception of like, oh, he's
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: on radio, have a studio working on stuff like this,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: But I'm living in an addict selling a piece of
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: equipment to be able to go take a meeting to
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: possibly get a deal, to possibly get me where I
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: think I want to be.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you get this deal, do you go home
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: like feeling a little bit more vindicated?
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, like I was on top of the world,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: like in some because there was the vindication. It was
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: like from this bad discame and it was like, all right,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna turn this into something. But I was. I
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: came from the hip hop side of things, and mainly
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: everybody that was a part of this team at the
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: time it was more pop, all rock type stuff, some
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: dance stuff. So it was a lot of me trying
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: to figure out where I fit in there. And because
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I couldn't really sing, I wasn't the greatest producer either.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: It was like my main skill was like I couldn't
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: come up with some melody, but they're simple, which are
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: what most hits are. Yeah, yeah, it's like most hits
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: tend to be simple melodies. So, and I'm a really
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: really good writer and putting words together in storylines, but
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel like I had a lot of respect
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: amongst the people that I was working with or signed
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: to around with, because oh, here's this guy, here's this story,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: here's this record. He can't really sing his records, and now
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to get people to demo the records because
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: people don't hear what you want them to hear. They
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: only hear what they hear.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: So you know, there was a lot of struggles in that.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: So I felt vindicated and but at the same time,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: it was like another layer of I got to prove
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: myself even more. Yeah.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Like, but you get the deal and it comes with
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: a check. Yeah, so what's the first thing you do
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: with your check?
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: First thing I did was put a little down payment
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: on a car.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, you didn't replace the equipment, No, not at that time. Okay, okay,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: so you get a car.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Yep, I get I put a down payment on a
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: seven used Forward Escape.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Oh so that's not even a yeah.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's nothing crazy. Usually. I had one hundred
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: thousand miles I when I bought it. But I needed
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: something because I knew I was gonna have to be
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: driving back and forth between Rochester and New York. So
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: and I was looking in New York, I'm like, oh,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: look at all the oh, the taxi cabs, the trucks,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: they're all for the escapes. These things gotta last long,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: probably should buy one of them. And that's literally how
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I decided to buy that vehicle. And then so that
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: was the first thing. And then I got an apartment
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: down in New York City with another buddy from Rochester,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Emilio Rojas, So he and I were living together in
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Washington Heights, so I was there as well as back,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: and I was driving back and forth every weekend to
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: come to my radio show in Rochester because that opened
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: a lot of doors music industry wise for me, as
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: well as being on the radio, you know, a little
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: ego fulfillment, and I was fairly decent. I was pretty
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: good at it. And then living down in New York
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: City and spending as much time as I could getting
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: trying to get into studios and things of that nature
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: with artists. But getting into it doesn't matter how good
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: you are. Getting into the rooms with people is all
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: relationship based. Yeah, of course, keep hitting my elbow on
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: this shit.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Sorry about that, all right, because I'm short? Yeah, are
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: you done cooking?
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Ready? All right?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Defeat us? Right, feed us, feed us. So at what
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: point do you decide to hop on a plane and
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: after the well, no, tell me how you end up
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: at the BMG buildings. Clearly, it's not a hard situation
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: to end up in. But but go ahead, what do.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: You mean, Like, what do you mean How'd I end
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: up in the BMG.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Building because you were squatting there, you said.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, oh that part. So BMG was moving offices, and
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: at the time money was my money started drying up,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: the advanced money. You know, it wasn't a big big check, yeah,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: and back and forth whatever what not. So that started
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: drying up. So I literally moved. Instead of bringing all
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: my studio equipment back to Rochester, I put it all
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: in the BMG building, and I bought an air mattress
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: and I would drive down. I would be in Rochester
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: because now at this time, I started selling dope again quietly,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So gotta do what you gotta do.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: You gotta do what you gotta do.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: And no hot sauce for me? What no hot sauce
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: for me? What no hot sauce for me? If I
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: do it, I'm gonna have to control it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: That saysn't even this red hot, It ain't even that hot. Yeah,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: the white boy out hot sauce. You on your own show.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: It's okay, I'm half white.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Remember you say your spice level is Come on, it's
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: the white huh, I got the white side.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I love hot sauce, you said. My best friend's West Indian,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: so I grew up eating all sorts of spicy ship.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: All right, you ready to you ready to try this?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Did you put hot sauce on it?
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I put a little drop of hot sauce.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I'm ready. I mean, I know what it tastes like.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: You better have to two months straight.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: It tastes like tears and heartache, hilarious air mattresses and artaches.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: When you start lying air mattresses, you know, like you're
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: on survival mode. And at no point are you thinking
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: to I mean, why aren't you thinking to get like
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: a regular day job. I know you have the radio show,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: and I know you have the BMG deal, but why
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: pick up well?
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, in some cases I did you know, I've
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: worked my whole life, but it's not a nothing's ever enough,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: not a little nine to five ain't shit. Like you know,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: there was a point in time I was a catering
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: manager in Manhattan. So now I'm delivering and this is
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: prior to this, I'm delivering shit. The photo shoots, meeting
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: ghost face, killing shit like that, and it's like, you know,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: first time, actually the first first week on the job,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I met Russell Simmons at a car wash. Fuck, I'm
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: gonna say to him, Hey, man, listen to my demo. Yeah,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. It's like. And that was
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: one thing it took me that I I and maybe
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: some of that was my own pride.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Yeahs if anybody would understand these dudes.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Because you would think you would think so. But that's
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: also the other thing that it took me a very
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: long time because I was really bitter when I was younger,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I was better. I was angry. I still am a
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: little angry. Still a little bitter too, but with a
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: different understanding because the people that make it, people that
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: break through, fight, they fought for it, like and when
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: you haven't had to fight for it or go through
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: the things to get certain places, you have no appreciation
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: for what it takes to get there. You have no
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: respect for the relationships that you may introduce. It's like
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: you and I know each other a little bit, so
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: it's like you'll introduce me to somebody knowing my character,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: knowing where I come from knowing I'm not going to
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: put you in a fucked up position.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah with that person, yep.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: To where somebody that hasn't earned that or learned that
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: along the way on their own can fuck everything up
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: for somebody just off an introduction.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: By the way, I just experienced that in the entertainment business,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: and I'll tell you it is off camera and my
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: first time ever, and I was like, what fuck.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: It's like? And relationships are more valuable than money, yeah,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: because the relationships can bring you all the money in
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: the world, you know. And I have a lot of
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: long standing relationships. Like there's people at labels now that
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: I'm friends with that I've been friends with for twenty
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: years that I met when they were sitting on the
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: stoop as a street team. They were on the street.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: See, it's so funny you say that, because when I
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: had Celebrity High magazine, a lot of the people that
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: were when I was working with all the labels having
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: that magazine, they were like kind of more at the
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: bottom level. Now they're running shit like later like literally
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: like Vice President's President and the one hundred per And.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: That's where a lot of my friends are like, you know,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: it's like because everybody's worked to get there. So to
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: get back to that part of like where the bitterness
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: and stuff is like, it took me a long time.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I used to be mad at some some I don't
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: want to say mad, but I used to talk shit
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: because like, yo, motherfucker, how you can't open the door
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: for somebody from the same place you're from and things
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: of that nature when you have the opportunity to do so.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't until I started making my way through
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: some of them doors myself and people started coming to
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: me thinking I could open doors to where I learned
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: and realized what it's like on other sides of it.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: And I started learning that with the radio station when
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I got there, and I was an advocate for independent
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: artists and getting independent artists songs played on this radio station.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: So I'll be playing for a week, they'd be back
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: next week, like, Yo, I got a new single. I
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: want you to play. It's like, nah, that's not how
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: this works, man, Like you need to work this thing.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Take it. Take it from Rochester, go to Buffalo, show
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: them you're getting you played here, get them to play it,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: and then do it in Syracuse and make it regional
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: like with this one record work that nah, man, this
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: new record is shit. I'm like, yo, I can't it
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: doesn't work that way. I'm I can't play that record
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: for you. Well fuck you. Then I'm like, oh, oh
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: fuck me, damn. I just focked for two months to
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: get this record on for you. Now I'm telling you
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: I can't play your next record and it's fucked me okay,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: s yeah, And that I learned that along the way.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: That is a very common thing. Like people don't like
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: to be told no, yeah, and I'm like to tell you,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: and I'm pretty straightforward. So it's like, that's why it's
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: been interesting I transition into LA because a lot of
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: people it's like, what's the saying, Uh, people in New
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: York are nice or kind, but they're not nice. A
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: lot of people in LA are nice but they're not kind.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I never heard that, but that makes sense, you know
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like, you know, you fall down, like
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: get up you for you know, in New York, help
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: you get up, you fucking idiot, Like let me help
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: you get the fuck up, dumb dumb to where you know?
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: And then they say a lot of people out here
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: it's like, and I want to be careful because I
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: don't want to create that separation. But they say like
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: just okay, keep walking. You know what I'm saying, like
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: like that fake shit, like oh nah, girl, you so pretty?
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Turn around. I can't stand that bitch. Yeah, you know
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But I think that comes in every city,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: so I want to be very careful with that. I
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: think it's just more prevalent out here because so many
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: people come out here to be this thing. So they
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: there's this it's the girl from Milwaukee or Wichita that
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: gives off that I gotta be this sort of way
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: to where it's like the Natives are fucking dope out here,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: same thing, like you know. It's like you know, so, I.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Don't know, it's very rarely you you in LA and
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: you stumble upon an actual.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Actually, I've come across a bunch like some of my
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: closest friends here are Native. Yeah yeah, let me think
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: about that.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: I have.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I have like maybe one or two close friends from LA.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know all my my die hard friends. It's
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: always going to be New York all day. Like literally,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I had maybe one or two solids here in LA.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: But I love my girls in LA, but don't nobody
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: compared to my girls in New York. Girls different, Yeah,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: because they different, they ride or die differently.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: But the man, listen, I'm telling you. The friends I've
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: made here have become family. And it's a lot of
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: it is it's like people from here because they don't
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: they've grown up around the bullshit they're not. I don't
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: give a fuck who you know, don't give a shit.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I don't get like you know. And of course there's
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: there's exceptions to all that, but that's in every major city.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: That doesn't matter. So it's just a matter of finding
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: your circle.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: So take me to your next big milestone. After the
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: BMG deal.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Man, I wish I could. That's, you know, like because
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the BMG deal carried on for fuck six years and
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I signed the deal right at the time when the
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: industry was changing, publishing deals were changing, so there was
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: no there was like then you had to have my deal. Basically,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: I had to have three records. Each record is one
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: hundred percent. If I co write the record with four people,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I only get twenty five percent. So I had to
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: have three. I had to have three hundred percent worth
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: of records that placed on major labels in order to
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: get out of my contract. Oh wow, at a time
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: when now Spotify and things these nature are taken over
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: and these are physical some of the deal. It's physical albums,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: CDs they stopped, they stopped making them. Yeah, so I
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: would have been in the deal forever.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Crazy if you think about it. I ain't seen a
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: CD in a long ass time. And there was a
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: point where you'd go to Walmart or wherever you bought
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: your CDs and you went in there just for CD.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Now it was the last time we did that.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Every Tuesday. It used to be every Tuesday, Tuesday at midnight,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: hit the record store, get the new big punish.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Your album like okay, damn the good old days.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: All right, now, that's all right. I'm happy. I'm happy
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: to be here. One of my friends ain't make it
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: this far. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm actually talking.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: There for six years you're with BMG, and are you
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: You're saying basically you got stuck in the deal.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I just nothing ever really landed, you know. There was
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: a few things that landed. We did a little NFL
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: network song, there was a bunch of almost had a
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: lot of one night stands with success. Throughout my career,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of to where it was like this is
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: the moment, this is it? A lot of the eminem
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: story things difference I hate. I don't mean to say
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: that eminem story things, but you know a lot of
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: like that record situations to where it was like almost,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: like I almost had end song in one of the
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Fast and Furious movies. Then the end switched because Paul
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Walker passed same thing with a record that was in
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: the running for the trailer for the first fifty Shades
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: of Gray and you're flipping a record and it became Beyonce.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: So I've had a lot of moments like that to
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: where almost and now I'm on the cusp of another one.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: But Jesus, yeah, I'm on the cusp of another one.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: How do you stay not in a quitting place, in
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: a non non validation place, if that's a such word,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like where you kind of like,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: am I supposed to do this?
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Man? I would? I don't know because it's heartbreaking, And
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: that's the part. It's like either you get it and again,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: like I said, it's a feast or famine thing, but
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: there's nothing like I don't. I never started making music
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: for the money, and that's the thing. So it's like,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: whether I'm making money or not off of music or
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: whatever the case may be, or whatever things I'm working on,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: it's therapy for me. So I have no choice but
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: to create.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: It's therapy. I can't understand that. But as an adult
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: in a major city, these aren't little cities we are
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: living and we're not talking about Ohio, no disrespect to Ohio.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it's expensive in La.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny because like I look at the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: other side and I'm like, wow, that's crazy how much
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: things are. But at the same time, I could never
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: fathom living in a in like a city like that.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Like when people are like, you gotta live in Ohio
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: and life just is a lot cheaper, I'm like, that's.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: But the opportunity. You pay for the opportunity and the
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: relationships and the network. And that's one of the things
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I always tell people, because I have a lot of
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: friends that are talented as fuck that haven't left home,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: have tried a little bit here and there, but don't like,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: haven't stuck to it because they wouldn't go through the
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: two months of eating rice and beans. They wouldn't do
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: pushed through that extra part.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: So you're saying that that you don't mind the rice
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: and beans as long as you have your fare well.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I'm also a hustler, so I'm gonna figure some shit out.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I've also always worked. I have a crazy work ethic,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Like that's one thing anybody will tell you. But I
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: got a big heart and a crazy work eth it.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: So it's like, if I'd not have a big heart,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: i'd be a multimillionaire already. But I make sure that
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: people around me that I work with are taking care
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: of before myself. And I think that's why a lot
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: of opportunities do present themselves to me.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: When you say taking care before yourself, what does that
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: look like.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Say we got somebody that comes in and wants a
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: record and there's a little budget for it. I make
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: sure a lot of people you know. It's like, for instance,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: I can say I have records that place that I
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: know paid ten to twenty grand and I got five
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars for it. But I know the person who's
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: charge a place in the record got the budget was
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars for that record. So but it was
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: either take this little fifteen hundred dollars or don't get
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: the record at all placed in whatever this film or
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: TV show is. And those are the things that are
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: that make it hard too.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying when you say, like, take
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: care of everyone before you, what does that look like?
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Because I will work, I'll work a nine to five,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I'll do all that other shit to where some people aren't.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: You know, some of the creatives I work with don't.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: So it's like when a budget does come like there's
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I'll make sure that they're taking care of to whur
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: A lot of people say, take care of yourself first.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I need to because that's you know, you really need
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: to because you can't help anybody if you can't help yourself,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: something that took me a long time to really accept
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: and learn. But making sure that they're getting taken of,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: maybe advancing money out of my personal account before the
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: money comes for shit, so they're able to survive another
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: week because I know I'm gonna figure it out. Everybody
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: don't got them, I'm gonna figure the ship out.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: How do you and how do you not get the
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: point of like I'm enabling.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: It's man, it's family, Like these are good people. I
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: don't really work with a lot of people. I won't
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: sit at a dinner table.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: With so.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: And I give tough love. It's not like it's like
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I said that nice and that nice and kind ship.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like, no, here, motherfucker, you need to get your
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: ship together, like figure the ship the fuck out, bro,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I can't do this no more. Like what the fuck about?
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Go give me a check? You know, Like there's that
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: sort of ship. But it all always comes from an
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: honest place because I want. I want. It ain't no
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: fun to win a lot. That's the one thing. That
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: one that that that dude that sold that record off
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I ended up getting himself in some trouble later on.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: And I mean whatever money he did make from it's gone. Wow.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Had to change his name because it was like, yeah,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I actually made me glad not to be part of it,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: because it was like some underage boy charge shit, okay, damn.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: And it was crazy because the karma. I'm like, that's
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: now I'm vindicated. I was like, but I didn't want
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: that that way. That's not the vindication I want.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I feel bad for Uh. It's funny because now. You know,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I have a daughter now and people will come up
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: to me all the time and they're like, hey, but
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: are in the industry, And I'm like yeah, and you
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: always you would think that little girls aren't safe, But
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: in that industry.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Ain't nobody safe. Ain't nobody? Is nobody nobody, It's not.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Ain't nobody safe. I mean like, we're seeing a lot
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: of that shit come to the forefront. And it's crazy
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: because I heard you talking a little bit about it
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: when I first got in, and it's just like times
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: have changed so much. Certain shit that maybe wasn't accepted
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: or was accepted at a time that's just not tolerated
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: it all anymore. It's good to see that growth, but
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: it's also crazy to see worlds get flipped upside down
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: in various ways. It's like, we don't even need to
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: go into that. Let's let's stay away from that because
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: that's a rabbit hole of a conversation I already know.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: But it's like it's just like because there's like it's
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: just crazy to see It's like like icons and ship
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: that people looked up to that and then to start
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: it's like the opposite side of the facade of I'm
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: out here looking like I'm doing good, but I'm living
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: in a fucking addict selling dope, trying not to get
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: caught because everybody thinks I got it. That a fake it, ty,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: you make it ship. That's the other side, like I
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: made it. I'm a great guy. I'm helping everyone. Know
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: you took all their publishing, You're doing this crazy shit. Yeah,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: it's the complete opposite extreme. Yeah, oh I see what
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is if you had to do it all
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: over again, and like you had to write a letter
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: to your younger self knowing everything that you know now
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: stands cool.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Motherfucker stands cool. I you know, it's a tough question
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: because the problem with that and people have asked, you know,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: people always ask questions like that, Like there's even I
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: love who I am as a person, and it's the
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: combination of everything that I've been through that have led
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: me to I'm not unhappy. I've made some money, I've
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: lost some money, made some money back, lost it again.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: For me, it's like I'm at the point now to
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: where I'm really just trying to figure out connecting the
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: dots so I can actually be able to help other
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: people the way I've always wanted to, because I'm a
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: giver at the end of.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: My core, you know me off Like, I hang out
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: with you a couple of times, and I would definitely say,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: there's a couple of things I will saying about you.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Come on, let's go. Yeah, let's go. Let's go. Come on,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: let's go. I want to hear it, let's go, come on,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: give it to me.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: There's a couple of things I say about you, but
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I would say that the top tier would be, Uh,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: you seem very genuine You're very hospitable, which is goes
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: hand in hand with genuineness. Right, You're you're definitely I
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: would say giver. Yeah, what else not?
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: There's some more shit you got give them the bad
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: ship too, Come on, bad ship.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not doing that while we're recording.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Isn't that what this is about?
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: The bad Ship? I think you're nervous, Okay. From the
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: day I've met you, I think you are one hundred
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: percent dope. One hundred percent dope. I do think though,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: if you get to know Nick and you are a female.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, you got to look a little plug for myself.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Do I get to keep it. That's for you, Okay.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I just needed you to say something nice about me
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: telling what she's.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: One, because just gave me a present. I don't know
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: if i's not talking.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: No, no, not, because now you're going to go into
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: the women part. Let's go. You can call me a
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: misogy and hist no.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: If I had to be brutally honest and I uh
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: and uh and I said this behind your back before.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: You obviously never heard this. But I genuinely think when
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: you get around you're wholesome, like you're a whole person,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: You're a giver and all that. But I definitely think
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: as a female that there may be a possible nervous
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: stick with you because your mouth can go crazy. It's
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: almost like the guy that can talk himself out, like
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: you got me.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I talked myself into some.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: From my takeaway, it's like you can have that that
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: three point shot, but your mouth can actually undo it.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: That's that's not a bad side.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: That I just said that, not because the part of
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: it is I'm willing to unpack that.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm like you I should That's why I
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: said it's got to be a nervous tick. I never
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I never say and I say that with respect to you, like,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: and I've said this like behind your back, like one
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: hundred percent dope person. But there must be some kind
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: of like there's got to be some kind of nervous
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: tick that causes you to be super dope. And then
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: like I would say, just knowing you person, like when
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: you get around a female, you say some stuff that's
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: like what and so you'd have to assume it's got
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: to be like a nerd.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: And this sounds terrible because it's funny.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: It's a woman's perspective. If I had to be really
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: honest to me, it comes off like a nervous tick
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: because if you know the person, you're like, this person's
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: a solid person, So why the heck would they be
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: like Tourette syndrome of the polar opposite, because it's got
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: to be a nervous tick a lot of it.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: So it's funny because when you've known me long enough,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: now I don't bite my tongue. Yeah, like I just
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: say what the fuck I think you do? But it's like,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: but in a lot of times I'll be poking.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Oh I'm po poke.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: I'll be well, but i'd be poking because there's so
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: I guess you have to get into some of my
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: therapy shit. So I grew up watching my mother cheato
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: on my father, then finding out later my father wasn't
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: actually my father, and so growing up my entire life.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: It made sense a week before I turned twenty nine
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: when I found out my father wasn't my father, and
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: my older brother younger sister were my half brother half sister,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: and my entire family was lying to me my whole life.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: So a lot of me, especially when I have the
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: love hate relationship with women, because I give my all.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: But then there's this I don't trust you. What can
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: I get away with? How much respect you got for yourself?
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Can I say this and get away with this? How
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: far are you gonna let me go? Is that the
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: right thing to be doing? No, But that's some of
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: the unpacking on a surface level.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: For damn. I'm kind of glad I addressed it because
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: I called today. I didn't know what that was, of course,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and so I did hang out with you during COVID.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, you cooked me a nice dinner. I
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: thought you were super dope, low key guys. Off the record,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I'm Loki wanted to date you, but then we hung
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: out and you were very respectful of me. I think
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I even spent the night at his house and we
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: didn't smash. We didn't smash, and I thought that was awesome.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: I was like, he's really respectful. I don't even know
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: why I stayed, but I mean not saying it like that,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: but I don't know how I ended up sleeping there.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't. The intention obviously wasn't that. I'm just
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: saying very hospitable. But then you would say things abound
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: me and I'm like, like, is this dude a nutbag?
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Like respect hospitable. So that's why I was saying, you
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: must have a nervous tick. But that nervous tick was
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: like as a person.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I was like, like, for you, it's like I get
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: the fuck away from. So you actually wanted to bring
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: this up because this was something you was trying to
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: understand what happened back, No, we hung out. This really
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: wasn't just trying.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: To because I genuine think you're a dope person and
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: it can be. And I'm glad you explained that for
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: even just all women to know this, because you know,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: and I get the poking because me and I tell
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: girls guys have disclaimers. The guy will. You'll be at
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: a party and a guy be like, would you have
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: sex with a dog or something something crazy, and you'd
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: be like, as a woman, you got to just be
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: able to walk away from you know what I mean,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: that's crazy trying to but you know how they'll test you,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: like would you have a threesome?
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: You know, And there's two sides of that. There's like
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: there's the we have a threesome like maybe I can
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: her and her friend, yeah, And then there's a threesome
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: like I don't really want to have a kid with her, yeah.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Or or like when I always feel like when a
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: guy does that, it is such a disrespectful thing that
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you're trying to test me, Well, here's
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: the test by deuces. So if I get any sense
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: of a disclaimer, I'm out because I'm not I'm not
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: with but we're grown. Yeah. But I just I say
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: that to say that it didn't for me. I didn't
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: align with the person I knew, and then those random
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: whatever the heck do you call them pops?
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: But also to like with me, there's a lot of
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: personality stuff. It's like a lot of women, and I'm
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: attracted to strong women, So there's that. I can't say
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: a weak women don't do it for me. I walk
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: all over you. I get bored because I'm I'm strong.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: I've been fighting my whole life. I need somebody that
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: can help lift me when I'm down, which I don't
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: want to say isn't often.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: But you know, every like everybody, everybody has everybody.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like, let's stop
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: the tough talk shit. Everybody you know, everybody has their things.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: So there's that. But I'm also self like, very like
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: I'm attracted to strong women like slick mouth. I like
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: my women a little snak. What slick mouth like my
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: women a little stak? Yeah, Like like I don't want
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: every dude that says HI to you for you to
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: be fucking friendly with you. Don't need to be friendly
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: to everybody, like be a little stank because I know men,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: how you doing and you're attractive? Fuck now I gotta do.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: And I've the short white kid my whole life that's
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: predominantly dated Latin women and things that, so I've been
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: tested my whole life in that area. So but date
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: strong women. Y'all talk shit. That's who slick mouth. And
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: I got a lot of slick mouth too, so you're
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: gonna get that slick talk right back.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I just I'm glad that we did identify
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: your one little minor, not even a flaw. I just
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: want to say the one thing that was a little offsetting, right,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I do say some crazy shit identified the room. It's
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: And it's funny because for me, I always feel like
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be so so ignorant. I always be like,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: women don't cheat. That's hearing this ship though, I'm like, oh.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Well, And the part is then it carries on further,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: you know, because yeah, sure that's the idea of what
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: I based what a woman's supposed to be about. Right,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: So then then get into the relationships and things that
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I dealt with personally growing up. So then it's like,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: you know, it's all these things and now granted, this
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: is all stuff that as you grow older you become
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: self aware. You start realizing, like you said, tick, why
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: do I do this? And a lot of its defense
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: mechanisms things that and whatnot. So it's like me, you
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: can always tell there's always some truth in my jokes always, always,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter how much of a joke it is, there's
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: something hidden in that. Motherfucker is like, eh, I'm actually
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: not joking, and then being self aware enough to know
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: that I'm I'm always like trying to create laughed laughing
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: when things become uncomfortable creating jokes.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well all right now that whosos? I hope my
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: whole couples have. Well, anyways, let's go. Let's catch up
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: to where you're at now.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: All right, So right now doing multiple things actually, So
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: actually run a club in Hollywood's Hollywood Apartment two hundred,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: which I'm one of the gms over there, which I
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: ended up doing on accident, same way I ended up
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: in radio on accident. And I've been doing that for
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: a few months, which has been great because it's introduced
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: me to i mean, a week ago, Scissor was there.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: So it's like it's opened up the door for some
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: relationships that I haven't been able to foster just by
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: being out and about, especially because I'm not a big
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: club guy, Like I'm over that shit. I'm grown. I'd
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: rather sit home, say some offensive shit and take a nap,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But and then a lot
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: of sync film stuff, like there's a one of Skid
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Bear Bailey that we just did a couple of records
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: for that for bats manager is getting behind I have
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: a placement with I can't get in the specifics per
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: se right now, but there's a movie coming out in
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: the next few month that you but.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Let's you know what, let's backtrack, Let's go back to
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: House Party. Okay, you got a placement in House Party, right?
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: How did you acquire that?
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: So that's funny. That record is actually me and my
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: guy Reezy Tunes in Good June. Good June is a
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: part of the group Overdose that's from out here. Cal
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Maddock used to be Overdose's manager, so they're all friends,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: grew up in La together, and we had done that
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: record like two years prior. So. This record was sitting
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: as a demo on my studio computer at my house
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: and June hit me and was like, Yo, I'm doing
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: this thing. And it was during the pandemic. He's like, Yo,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: I'm doing this thing. I'm gonna I'm gonna perform this live.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Can you send me I'm like cool, send it to him.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: He does his live performance of this and then hits
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: me the next day. It was like, Yo, I'm about
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: to put you in touch with this music supervisor. They
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: want this for this movie. So that was just sheer,
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: like god working real relationships. This a dope record, right timing,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: right person saw it, and none of us have publishing deals.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: We're all out of our shit. Nobody was tied to anything.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: So we did. We brokeer that whole thing independently.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: So and then that was even crazy because originally it
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: was supposed to go direct to I think HBO Max
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: or whatever it was at the time, and because of
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: the pandemic, things kept getting punted, they're pushing things back.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Then there was a merger, so it was one point
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: where like, oh, we're not even getting it, Like yeah,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: it's not like they're not even going to put the
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: movie out anymore. And then now, mind you, we did
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: all the deal for a direct to streaming was the
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: whole deal. So it wasn't a bunch, It wasn't a
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: ton of money, but great. Look then we get word
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: that they're actually going to do a theatrical release, so
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: we're like, oh shit, so and I was thinking we
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: about that, like oh we about it? No, because we
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: had already had done the deal for this other situation,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: so it was like what we got was what we got.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: There'll be some royalties, but the film royalties are completely different.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Fortunately we still own the master, but the record didn't
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: take off on the film. But it was fucking dope.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Got to go to the premiere here like great experience.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: But it's like, and there's a bunch of things like that.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: I've had a couple of things in power a couple
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: of the Power shows and you know, Mike Tyson, But
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: how do.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Those when you get those placements, Like do the checks be?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Can you give us a ballpark of how decent they are?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: They all vary. That's the thing. What the check is
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: that you get and what the actual budget for the
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: song is depending on who the person is connecting the
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: dots can be two different worlds. And that's what I
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: was saying before.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: So it seems though it seems like you're always I
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: used to call it like I used to always sell
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: my dad. It's like I'm really hungry and it's just
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: like thin glass between me and a steak, and for
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, I can't break through this glass, but I
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: can see it. I can't even smell it. And I
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: always used to be like, man, it's like so close
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: but also impossible to break this damn glass.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: But you but you gonna get it. Yeah, you ain't stopping.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: And that's how. And it's funny because people like it's
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: because it goes correlates back to what you asked me
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: earlier about, like the music, what's it like? How do
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: you keep going? And it was like, I've been asked
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: that sort of thing because I've had so many almost
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: moments and I've had some small ones, had some bigger ones,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: you know, and it's like they're like, what's it I've
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: been asked, what's it like? I'm like, well, imagine waking
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: up confessing. I woke up, came do you confess to you?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: I fucking love you? You are everything I need. You
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: look at me and say you're not good enough? Get
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: up and do it again tomorrow, and get up and
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: do it again, and get up and keep doing it
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: until finally you know what you are good enough. That's
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: what a lot of it's like, because you're always chasing
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: the acceptance in the approval. Yeah, or at least I am.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an artist I think his name is Russell
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: or russ Rush, Yeah, and he had a book. I
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: put it on my book list. I like to read
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: a lot, but I had read a couple of pages
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: out of his book and he talked about that in
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: his books, and I thought it was like it was interesting.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, man, are we seeking this outside validation?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: And it was crazy because he talks about once.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: He got it, that it wasn't what you thought it was.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like literally didn't cure any depression or anything
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: he was dealing with, and he had to, like obviously
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: end up. Everyone wants to say that the quote unquote
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: you know, you gotta work and you don't battle these
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: demons internally first or whatever, but shout outs to him.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: But I did read a couple of pages and I
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I think I'm gonna check
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: out his book because I would hate to constantly feel
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: like what you just described just to get to the
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: end goal, right to end up what he described, you know.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: But I mean that's one of the things where I
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: guess that comes along with the saying where everybody's like
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: money doesn't you know, buy happiness, and it's like, well,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: I'd like to first of all find that out for
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: my fucking self. Let's start there, all right, And how
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: often do you see somebody on a jet ski not smiling?
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I agree, I can't agree on. I can agree
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: on it's weird because I have a nice, cool balance
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: of friends. I have some friends that are millionaires, and
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: then I have friends that are broke and I got
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: I definitely have a buffet of different option of friends.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: But like I just try to just all from New York.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: None of them are native La.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Right, No, they're all there's something from it.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: You know. You're right.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: I do have more friends from my way, but I do,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: and a matter of fact, now I think about it,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: some of them do write almost as hard as my
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: New York.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: She just can't give it. You can't just you can't
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: give it though, well he's almost you just can't give
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: it to them.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: It's okay, man, I ain't nothing like a day one er. Man.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: You can give it to him. It's okay, New York.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: And I'm gonna hate you because you love La.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. A couple of years ago.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: It's so weird. I have two best friends that went
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: to two different. I went to two different high schools,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, every time I go to New York,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I always kept up separate. And one year I was
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: hanging out with Tia and I brought her to New
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: York with me and uh and I put two of
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  Speaker 1: my best friends in the first time ever. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why it never occurred to me before, but
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  Speaker 1: now it's like a squad of three of us. I'm like, bitch,
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  Speaker 1: you never had to like divide your time between these
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  Speaker 1: two girls. You could have had them all at the
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  Speaker 1: same time the life.
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  Speaker 2: And sharing their friendship. And that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: But that's awesome now where our group.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. The circle. You gotta find
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: your circle no matter where you go. And it's like
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna attract the sort of people that you are.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like, that's why I attract smart ass, smart
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  Speaker 2: mouth ass women because I'm a smart mouth me. Because
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  Speaker 2: because you're a smart as you got a smart ass mouth.
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  Speaker 2: You say, you say some slick What the fuck do
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  Speaker 2: you just say to me? Ship too? Okay, it ain't
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  Speaker 2: just me, trust and believe.
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  Speaker 1: Lately, I've been realizing my smartest mouth because.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you got yourself in some trouble. See, I got
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  Speaker 2: all that trouble out early, so I knew happened yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: I said, oh, man, you need to chill out before
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  Speaker 1: you in a bad situation. I had a rough situation
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  Speaker 1: last night where it was like, you may have to
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  Speaker 1: learn a lesson from this.
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  Speaker 2: One's always something to be learned.
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  Speaker 1: But okay, I'm gonna We're gonna probably close out because
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  Speaker 1: I know we went over time. But I do want
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  Speaker 1: to circle back to the one question that I know
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  Speaker 1: everybody asked. But seeing your journey has been all of bumpy,
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  Speaker 1: all of bumpy, or what advice would you honestly give
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  Speaker 1: your younger self for the road ahead?
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  Speaker 2: Mmmm, It's gonna be okay, no matter how bad it
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  Speaker 2: No matter how bad it gets, everything's temporary, money, love,
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  Speaker 2: fucking life, it's all temporary. Feelings are temporary. When you
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  Speaker 2: feel like you're at like it's over, it's not over.
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  Speaker 2: Take a couple of naps, push through it, and it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna like you can't be happy without being sad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I've got into the place at forty. I
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: tell people all the time, Man, I don't pursue happiness.
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  Speaker 1: I can give a crap about happiness. I'm all about peace.
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  Speaker 1: Give me a flat line all day. I'm good with it.
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  Speaker 1: Like I realized that on the other side of happiness
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  Speaker 1: is the polar opposite, and I'll stay. I will gladly
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  Speaker 1: not ride the roller coaster and just take the train.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I hear you because it sounds good. And
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  Speaker 2: that's the stability and knowing yourself and how you react
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  Speaker 2: to things and how to handle your feelings because unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: you ain't in control of your happiness and sadness all
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  Speaker 2: the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, is what it is.
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  Speaker 2: There's things way beyond your control that are gonna fuck
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  Speaker 2: with your piece.
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  Speaker 1: So damn smoggers. You speaking real mature.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you it's just it's just you know, just I've
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  Speaker 2: been through some ship, you know.
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  Speaker 4: It just is what it is.
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  Speaker 2: This is a therapy. That's what I always wanted. I
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: always wanted to do a I think if we talked
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  Speaker 2: about it once and I said, I want to do
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  Speaker 2: a podcast called free Therapy here if you want, that's
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  Speaker 2: one more fucking thing I gotta do. Do you how
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  Speaker 2: much I will work like eighteen hours a day as
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  Speaker 2: it is.
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  Speaker 1: It's up to you tell people how they could keep
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: up with Nickel Fields.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you can catch me on you know, all social
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  Speaker 2: media stuff Nickel Fields N I K A L F
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  Speaker 2: I E L d Z. You can text me at
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  Speaker 2: ha ha fooled you. I mean that's really it.
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  Speaker 1: You could text me how high fooled you? Yeah, that's hilarious.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah hah, I'm a fool.
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  Speaker 2: Yet not. I mean that's really it's you know, I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not hard to find, not that hard
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  Speaker 2: to find. That's why I have to start watching my
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: big mouth, because what would be some.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Of the pieces of advice would you give to someone
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: else that is seeking to get placement and move met
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  Speaker 1: movies or writing credits.
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  Speaker 2: Get out of the bedroom, get out of the like
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  Speaker 2: you can't like you want to spend time owning your
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: craft and developing it in the studio and things of
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: that nature. But you see it all the time. It's
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  Speaker 2: it's all about the network. It's all about who you
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: know you can you can wrap dog shit and tendfoil
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: and market it properly, which and it's it's the sad truth,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: you know, it is what it is. So it's like,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: don't do it for the right reasons. As far as
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: the music stuff you gotta eat like this, it's not
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: everybody looks at the glimmer and glit side of it,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: but it's a lonely road, yeah, even you know. And
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: they say it's lonely at the top, you know, And
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  Speaker 2: my only thing with that is, I think it's only
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  Speaker 2: lonely at the top. If you forget to bring to
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  Speaker 2: people with you, or you forget who helped you get there,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: then it's only at the top.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I could see that. That's that's a great nugget. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So all right, y'all, Well, thank you for feeding me.
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  Speaker 1: Red beans. Rice tastes good, definitely for balling on a budget.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good meal. It's a good meal, not bad
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  Speaker 1: at all.
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  Speaker 2: Especially put some hot sauce on it. Yeah, you need
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  Speaker 2: the hot sauce.
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  Speaker 1: The red hot definitely helped it. Thank y'all for tuning in,
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  Speaker 1: piece out.