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WELCOME TO HIGH STEAKS! Mark Zuckerberg vs. Elon Musk: Battle of The Lizard Overlords · Mini Scroll

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  This podcast was recorded on Gadigal land.
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  We would like to acknowledge the Gadigal of the Urination, the
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  traditional custodians of this land, and pay our respects to
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  the elders, both past and present, always.
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  Was always will be Aboriginal land.
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  Welcome to the very first episode of High.
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  Stakes, the podcast about the famous fuse frenemies and
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  falling outs you've forgotten about.
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  But first, before we get into the beef, let's introduce
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  an entertainment reporter who has interviewed some of the
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  man, dog, how are you? I'm good first episode, how are
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  we feeling? Feeling bloody good.
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  Feeling good excited me. Too, I will say I have one issue
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  though, I've injured my coccyx. Oh God, does it hurt to sit
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  down? It hurts to sit down these
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  chairs and not made for an anal injury.
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  OK, so how did you get your anal injury?
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  There was a hens party 3 weeks ago and we had a mechanical
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  penis. It's like a bull butt.
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  Yeah. Penis shot so not just like a
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  straight up dildo. So it is you.
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  Know it was not a dildo, it was just you just straddle it as you
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  would a mechanical bull and I I after the first go thought
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  that's fun and I just kept getting back on the.
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  Penis and that's just something I love about you is that you
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  never you never back down from the mechanical penis.
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  Yes, well now my back hurts. So you're so brave.
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  Thank. You anyway, how are you?
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  Have you got any injuries? Any updates, concerns.
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  Injuries, injuries, injuries. No, I'm just happy to be here
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  honestly. First episode of the pod.
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  The vibes are incredibly high. No sore bodies here except for
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  some sore gym muscles, but that's just about growth so.
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  That's good for you. Well, I mean, like, look, we've
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  got some big stuff ahead in this episode, so should we get into
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  it? We.
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  Do this week we're looking at the beef between tech moguls
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  Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk. Now to really understand the
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  beef between these two, we have to understand them and they are
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  quite big deals. So there is a fair bit to
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  unpack, starting off with Mark on May at 141984.
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  Mark Elliott Zuckerberg was born to dentist Edward Zuckerberg and
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  psychiatrist Karen Kempner Zuckerberg.
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  Now, I don't know about you, Laura, but they sound like two
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  big brain parents. Oh yeah.
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  Big names, big brains. Zuck is the second of four
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  children and grew up in Dobbs Ferry, a village in New York
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  State. He had an interest in tech from
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  a young age, coding computer games for his friends, and at
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  age 12 he created a messaging program called Zucknet using
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  Atari BASIC, which for the non nerds in the room stands for
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  Beginners all-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code.
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  Now Laura, I don't know about you, but my coding skills go as
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  far as HTML coding in Tumblr when I was 15.
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  But I did some Googling and Atari BASIC was a programming a
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  language interpreter for Atari 8 bit computers.
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  Very impressive. Now, what's your?
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  Experience with HTML coding. I mean, OK, back in the day, the
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  whole Myspace thing when you had to change the background, same
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  with Tumblr. But one time I used a Myspace
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  HTML template and put it on this website called Fueled by Ramen.
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  So I was able to win a signed Fall Out Boy poster and I won
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  the competition and I still have the poster to this day.
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  You should brought the poster in.
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  I know show and tell who. Cares about Mark and.
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  Elon Oh my God, I know everyone just cares about Fall Out Boy
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  and Pete Wentz. It's true.
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  I love. Him.
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  Anyway, back to our boy Mark. As a nice little tidbit, he
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  actually rejected AOL and Microsoft offers before
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  graduating high school that. Is very impressive, right?
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  Crazy. Did not have any offers from
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  Microsoft after I graduated. Absolutely not.
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  He went on to study a double major in computer science and
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  psychology at Harvard Uni from 2002 to 2004.
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  But in 2003 he created a website called Facemash, which paired
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  photos of Harvard students and had users vote on who was more
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  attractive. And this given your This site
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  copped quite a lot of heat as pictures were taken from a
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  protected area of Harvard's computer network.
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  EE. Bit icky.
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  Icky, yeah. In May of 2004, Zark and his
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  Harvard roomies Chris Hughes and Dustin Moskovitz and their
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  friend Eduardo Severin launched Facebook.
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  Now, this Facebook is a little bit different to the Facebook we
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  know. When it launched, it was an
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  online directory for Harvard students.
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  The social media then expanded its reach to other American
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  colleges and high schools before opening to anyone over the age
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  of 13 just two years later. Interesting.
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  What age did you get Facebook? Oh man, I think I got it around
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  like 14 because I still get flashbacks, all reminders of
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  these statuses I made when I was like 14 years old.
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  Being like Laura is drinking a Diet Coke, you know what I mean?
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  When did you? When did you?
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  Get it? I think I got it at 12, but
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  under the guise that my mom had access to my password.
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  Mara. So Mara was on there.
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  She was checking my Facebook. Was never anything interesting
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  though. I think one of my first statuses
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  was something like eating a tan jello :).
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  I didn't even like tangelos. But you were trying to promote
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  that you were a healthy girl, just like with me with my diet.
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  True. At 12, I did consider myself a
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  fitness influencer. Wow.
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  But it wasn't all smooth sailing in 2004.
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  Three Harvard seniors, So that's Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss and
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  Divya Narendra, who enlisted Zuck to help with their website
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  Connect You, the year before Facebook's launch, actually
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  filed a lawsuit against Zuck. Why, you ask?
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  I'm so glad you asked. They claimed he stole the idea
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  for Facebook from them. However, they settled this
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  lawsuit in 2008. Hey, they should make a movie
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  about. That I think they.
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  Should. Oh my God.
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  Since then, Zach has had a bit going on he was named time's
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  person of the year in 2010, married his college sweetheart
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  Priscilla Chan in 2012, and he's had three children with her.
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  Was entangled in various data leak investigations, including
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  the infamous Facebook Cambridge Analytica data scandal in 2019,
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  and he also rebranded Facebook Tomato, and today Zuck is worth
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  $322 billion, according to Bloomberg.
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  Geez, that's a lot. Now moving on to our lizard boy,
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  Elon. Elon Musk was born in Pretoria,
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  South Africa in 1971 to his mother May, who was a model and
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  dietitian and to his father Errol, whose resume was were
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  lengthy. Errol was an electromagnetical
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  engineer, a pilot, a sailor, a consultant, an emerald dealer
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  and a property developer. He was also a representative of
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  the anti apartheid Progressive Party.
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  Already from that little fun fact, I feel like Elon is kind
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  of trying to be like his dad. Maybe daddy shoes.
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  What do we think? Yeah, aligned.
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  Aligned anyway. May and Errol had two other
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  kids. After Elon, Kimball and Tosca,
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  the Mass family was pretty wealthy.
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  However, May and Errol divorced in 1980 when Elon was 9.
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  Elon went to live with his dad but eventually he regretted that
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  decision and became estranged with his partner by 10.
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  Young Elon love to read sci-fi books, he loved computer science
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  and video games, and he even taught himself how to program
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  from the Vic 20 user manual which is like an 8 bit home
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  computer. And by 12 Elon had sold a game
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  he made on the basic Blastar to PC and Office Technology
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  magazine for $500. Not too shabby.
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  So Mad Dog, what did you achieve at 12?
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  Junior eight best and fairest. That's not too bad, actually.
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  Junior 8 was the bottom team. Oh, OK, So you went eight years
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  old, It was like. No, no, no.
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  There were seven other teams ahead of me in the junior
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  division. Wow, like it's OK, you're a late
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  bloomer, don't worry about it. There's so much wood, Panthers
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  shout out. After high school in South
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  Africa, Elon applied for a Canadian passport to avoid doing
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  South Africa's military service. He studied in Canada for a
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  couple of years before going to the States and earning a
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  Bachelor of Arts in physics and a Bachelor of Science.
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  During his time studying, he reportedly hosted large parties.
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  This is the part that I don't know if I totally believe.
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  Yeah, that's something he's added to his Wikipedia page
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  himself. A. 100 percent, 100%.
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  In 1994 he started 2 internships in Silicon Valley and by 1995 he
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  was accepted to a graduate program in material science at
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  Stanford University. Also in that year, Musk, along
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  with his brother Kimball and some guy called Greg Curry,
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  founded the Global Link Information Network, which was
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  later renamed to Zip 2. This was an Internet directory
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  guide, kind of like Google Maps but with business info.
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  And in 1999 the company was sold and Musk received dropping 22
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  million USD for his 7% share. In 1999 he fundedx.com and no,
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  it's not Twitter. It was an online bank which
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  eventually merged with a competitor to become PayPal in
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  2000 and. One Hello, PayPal.
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  Hello. PayPal, welcome to the chat.
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  In 2003, he then launched Tesla, which turned into the juggernaut
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  that we know. Today.
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  Hello, Tesla. Hi Tesla.
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  So it is private life. Musk had been married three
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  times and has had 14 children to four separate women.
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  So we had six children with his first wife, Justine Wilson, but
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  sadly 1 passed away, three with musician Grimes, four with tech
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  exec Siobhan Zillis, and one with conservative influencer
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  Ashley Sinclair. Most recently, though, Elon has
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  become one of Donald Trump's biggest Republican soldiers,
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  stepping in to lead the newly created U.S. government agency
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  Department of Government Efficiency, which was allegedly
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  created to cut costs within the American government.
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  But now that we've got the basic covered, it's time to learn how
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  these two big nerds started to butt heads.
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  Now, before the feud kicked off in 2023, our two lizard
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  overlords loved to bicker. In 2016, Musk's company SpaceX
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  was meant to be launching the Amos 6 satellite.
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  Now this satellite was a part of Mark Zuckerberg's Internet org
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  project, which aimed to deliver Internet to developing nations.
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  Pretty cool. Sadly, the rocket launching the
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  satellite, the Falcon 9 rocket, was a failure and it exploded
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  and destroyed both itself and its cargo.
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  I know, a self-destructive queen.
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  OK, same. Zuck took to Facebook on
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  September 1 to vent about the mishap.
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  As I'm here in Africa, I'm deeply disappointed to hear that
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  Spacex's launch failure destroyed our satellite that
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  would have provided connectivity to so many entrepreneurs and
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  everyone else across the continent.
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  And a year and a bit later, Musk did publicly respond to the
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  incident on Twitter with yeah, my fault for being an idiot.
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  We did give them a free launch to make up for it and I think
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  they had some insurance. That feels so like wishy washy
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  for this owner of a big company to be like, yeah, I was an
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  idiot. I think we've got this, but I
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  don't know. Don't you reckon?
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  Yeah, I'm an idiot, is what you say to your mum when you haven't
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  taken the chicken out of the. Fridge 100%.
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  But anyway, it's really funny. I find that very funny.
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  And in 2017, the pair turned their focus to AI technology.
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  Despite now owning his own AI venture X AI.
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  Back then, Elon Musk famously held the stance that AI could
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  cause civilization destruction. Zuck, however, thought that was
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  silly. I have pretty strong opinions on
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  this, Zuck said. With AI especially, I'm really
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  optimistic, and I think that people who are naysayers and try
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  to drum up these doomsday scenarios, I don't understand
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  it. It's really negative, and in
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  some ways, I actually think it's pretty irresponsible.
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  Shortly after, Musk took to X, formerly known as Twitter, to
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  say his piece. I've talked to Mark about this.
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  His understanding of the subject is limited.
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  That's a bit of a sledge, don't you reckon?
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  Isn't. It that's such corporate speak
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  for it. You actually know nothing.
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  Yeah, and you're ugly. Yeah, you big freak.
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  By 2018, Musk had had enough of Facebook deleting the Tesla and
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  the SpaceX accounts during the mass hashtag delete Facebook
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  trend. His gripe for Facebook obviously
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  didn't end there though, because in 2022 he famously tweeted that
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  Facebook gives me the willies. In 2022, years before Musk
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  bought Twitter, he was still on the anti Facebook train
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  encouraging people to delete Facebook.
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  It's lame. I mean, it's true.
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  It's absolutely true. The only people on it are
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  boomers now, but it was. 2023, when the beef between the moguls
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  really kicked off. Let me paint you a picture of
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  what was going on at the time. So Musk has bought Twitter, he's
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  turned it into X, and then he's axed a hell of a lot of
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  employees. They're losing advertisers like
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  crazy. And with the potential downfall
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  of Twitter, the lizard overlord Zuck had been hatching this plan
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  to create a website that could kind of fill the gaping hole
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  left by OG Twitter. When Musk heard whispers about
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  this website, which we now know is called Threads, Musk was
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  pissed. He tweeted.
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  I'm sure the Earth can't wait to be exclusive under Zuck's thumb.
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  When a Twitter user jokingly responded saying that Zuck knew
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  jiu jitsu, Musk tweeted. I'm up for a cage match if he is
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  LOL. Although the Lol implied that he
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  was kidding, Zuck was ready to battle by responding with send
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  me the location. Musk, equally serious, wrote
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  Vegas Octagon, which is the famous battleground owned by the
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  UFCAKA Ultimate Fighting Champion.
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  Naturally, at this point people were going nuts.
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  So imagining these two pasty white men just like going at it
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  in Vegas. Yes.
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  But someone who was especially interested was Dana White, who's
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  the CEO of the UFC. He called both Musk and Zuck to
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  see if they were actually being legit about having a punch on.
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  And White claimed to the media that the tech Bros were actually
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  down to clown in the ring. So pretty dramatic stuff.
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  Yeah, they were getting their shoes, their hats.
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  They're taking off their earrings, they're putting their
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  hair up and they're ready to be laid.
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  That's. Right with my old clown at.
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  All high pants. Putting on the pants they're
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  putting in their tiny cars. The hats are on.
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  The noses are honking. You know what I'm imagining the
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  old tiny boxes are like? Hey, you want to fight big
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  girls? And despite Elon's fanbase
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  outnumbering Marks, there was a pretty common consensus that
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  Musk was about to get these shit kicked out of him, not only
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  because of Zach's jiu jitsu skills, but because he was super
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  jacked and athletic. Which is actually, honestly
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  something I never thought I'd say in my entire life.
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  I know on the record too my. Mom's going to hear this.
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  Musk, on the other hand, was admittedly a bit out of shape,
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  and in June 2023, he even acknowledged this, tweeting.
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  I have this great move that I called the war where I just lie
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  on top of my opponent and do nothing.
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  Oh. Feel bad for his exes.
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  Yes, remember, he has fourteen children.
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  Yikes. So it means he's had sex 14
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  times? Or maybe at least.
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  Well, no. Well, maybe less than some of
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  them would conceive with IVF. You are so right.
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  So maybe he's had sex twice. Maybe.
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  In another tweet, he wrote. I almost never work out except
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  for picking up my kids and throwing them in the air.
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  It's. Kind of sweet.
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  I guess it is maybe. How high are they going?
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  He's throwing them into space. That's actually SpaceX.
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  That's SpaceX. Despite his self deprecating
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  jokes, he also boasted on Twitter that he had experience
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  in Judo, CAIU cushion, full contact and no Rules street
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  fighting. That's so funny.
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  In brackets full contact what's half contact like is.
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  It like Fight Club. You know how you don't talk
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  about Fight Club? Do you tweet about no rules
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  street fighting? Well, maybe you do now.
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  Well, look, I'm not involved in the street fighting culture, so
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  maybe that's on me. His friend Lex Friedman also
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  wrote. I'm extremely impressed with his
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  strength, power and skill on the feet and on the ground.
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  It was epic. And it's also worth noting that
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  Lex Friedman is a computer scientist and podcast host.
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  But he does hold a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
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  Man, these nerds love to jitz. They really.
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  Do they love to Jitz everywhere? Even Musk's mum May got
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  involved, suggesting the two tech Bros settle their
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  differences with words instead of violence.
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  Meanwhile, reports from major news publications were claiming
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  that both Musk and Zuck were in talks with the UFC to genuinely
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  do an exhibition match. However, as the year progressed,
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  the news cycle moved on and it seems like a physical fight
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  between them was unlikely despite Musk's constant tweets
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  baiting Zuck, including one in July of 2023 where he tweeted
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  Zuck is a cuck before genuinely proposing a literal Dick measure
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  during a contest. Mad Dog, I am so glad that you
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  finally brought up Elon Musk. 'S penis.
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  It's been front of mind for such a long time.
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  Can you please explain to the listener why this is of
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  importance? Yes so there are some completely
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  unverified rumors that Elon Musk has had a botched penis
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  enlargement surgery. This was reignited recently by
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  rapper and all round slightly problematic queen Azalea Banks
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  who found a shit stirring tweet which read I heard he has a
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  botched penis implant to which Azalea replied Crimes told me
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  this. Who?
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  OK, back to the tweets. So in what seemed like a
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  response, Zuck posted a series of pics from a training session
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  with Israel Adesanya and Alexander Volkanovsky, two of
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  the best fighters in the UFC. In the pic, the lizard man again
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  is jacked. On August 6th, Musk claimed that
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  the fight was still going ahead and would be live streamed on X,
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  with all of the proceeds going to charity.
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  But then Zuck clapped back on threads stating, shouldn't we
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  use a more reliable platform that can actually raise money
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  for charity? Anyway, this back and forth
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  continued for a little while with Zuck ready to beat Musk to
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  a pulp and Musk playing a koi, but at the time Musk also
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  claimed that he needed to get surgery on his neck and back
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  before the fight could take place.
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  On August 11, Musk said that the UFC was no longer involved and
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  that the fight would be now managed by Zuck and Musks own
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  foundations and it would be live streamed and get this take place
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  in the Colosseum in Rome. All right, move over.
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  Paul Meskel. See ya.
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  But despite Musk's confidence, Zac just wasn't convinced.
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  I think we can all agree that Elon isn't serious and it's time
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  to move on, he wrote on Threads. I offered a real date.
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  Dana White offered to make this a legit competition for charity.
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  Elon won't confirm a date, and then he says he needs surgery
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  and now asked to do a practice round in my backyard instead.
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  If Elon ever gets serious about a real date, an official event,
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  he knows how to reach me. But on August 15th, Musk claimed
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  he was going to just show up at Zac's home and challenge him.
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  Knock, knock, challenge accepted.
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  Open the door, he wrote, tagging Zuckerberg with his old Twitter
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  handle. Musk added.
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  Thought you might want some tea, so I brought the bags.
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  What is he talking about? Ball bags, Tea bags, Ibags,
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  Boxing bags. Handbags.
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  I'd hope so. Handbags.
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  Handbags. That would be expensive ones
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  too. You better believe it if you're
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  worth like, what, 2200 and $22 billion?
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  I want something that's, you know, bit luxurious.
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  I want a gucky babes. Yeah, give me a gucky.
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  At this point, with all the threats, Zuck had had enough.
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  A spokesperson from Meta stepped in and commented to the Verd,
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  saying that Zuck takes this sport really seriously and isn't
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  going to fight someone who randomly shows up at his door.
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  On a recent episode of every Bros favorite podcast, The Joe
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  Rogan Experience, Joe Rogan claimed that Zuck had the upper
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  hand mainly because of his work ethic.
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  I don't feel like you need to be an expert to make that call, do
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  you? I mean, you could just look at
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  how they've described their bodies.
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  We've been calling one man ripped and one man said that he
• 18:46
  was a walrus. We truly have been talking about
• 18:48
  how jacked Zach is this whole episode.
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  Yeah, he's jacked. Otherwise, it's been radio
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  silence on the potential fisticuffs between our two tech
• 18:55
  Bros. Instead, they've been sitting
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  next to each other at Donald Trump's inauguration alongside
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  fellow billionaire and lizard man founder of Amazon, Jeff
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  Bezos. Since the Trump administration
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  has come into power, both Meta and X have focused on amping up
• 19:09
  free speech and decrying censorship on their platforms.
• 19:12
  Interestingly, despite all their ongoing petty beef, they've
• 19:15
  found a middle ground. In January of this year, Zac
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  announced that Meta would be abandoning the use of fact
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  checkers and replacing them with user LED community notes, a
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  feature very similar to that on Musk's X.
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  The pair also continue to promote fairly rigid views on
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  masculinity while pushing women and gender diverse people to the
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  side. And I think maybe pushing is a
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  light way to put they've kind of been shitting on them.
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  Yeah, completely for. Example, Musk has pretty much
• 19:39
  disowned his transgender daughter Vivian and supported
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  Trump's anti trans policies, while Zuck told Joe Rogan that
• 19:45
  large companies needed more masculine energy because the
• 19:47
  corporate world was becoming culturally neutered.
• 19:50
  Yikes. Whatever that means, I think
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  having a culture that celebrates the aggression a bit more has
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  its own merits that are really positive, he said.
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  So what do we make of? That gosh, it's so interesting
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  with these two dudes because I really get the vibe that they
• 20:04
  just weren't cool in. School and that they spent so
• 20:06
  long in these academic spaces that now they need to assert
• 20:09
  themselves. Are these alpha males.
• 20:11
  Do you feel like you're getting some red pill undercurrent
• 20:14
  coming out of this? Oh.
• 20:15
  Absolutely. And it's like on the record that
• 20:17
  Elon Musk has had all of these gender affirming surgeries, like
• 20:20
  he's had jaw surgery, hair transplant.
• 20:22
  What else has he done about penis enlargement surgery?
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  Allegedly? It's like all of these things
• 20:27
  that he needed to make himself feel more masculine, and he's
• 20:30
  insistent on taking that away from other people.
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  And including his daughter, Yeah.
• 20:35
  Yeah, you could argue that Zach is the exact same.
• 20:38
  Like he definitely didn't look the way he looks now.
• 20:41
  No, he had that weird like bro glow up where he started wearing
• 20:44
  those like what looks like Uniqlo boxy T-shirts and really
• 20:48
  using a curl cream. So it's like they rely on all of
• 20:51
  these things and maybe it's a deeper issue as to like, they
• 20:55
  spent so much of their lives feeling emasculated and now
• 20:57
  they've got to ruin it for everyone else.
• 20:59
  Totally, but I do think that you can kind of recognize and step
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  into your masculinity whilst not shitting on other people in
• 21:04
  their own gender displays and how they feel most comfortable.
• 21:08
  Yes. You could even argue that being
• 21:10
  able to do that makes you more masculine.
• 21:13
  But to wrap up, I'd like to end with some musical performances
• 21:16
  from Abroligarchs. I hope they're playing Annie.
• 21:19
  They're not playing any, but it's equally as good.
• 21:21
  Fabulous. OK, so let's start off with Elon
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  Musk's 2019 song RIP Harambe, which those who are chronically
• 21:29
  online, this will take them back to that moment in time when a
• 21:32
  gorilla was senselessly killed and became the biggest passion
• 21:36
  point for the Internet. Elon felt that way.
• 21:39
  So this is this is Elon's song. Anyway, so you get the gist That
• 21:58
  was released by Elon Musk on April Fools one year.
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  What I like is you can read some of the really hard hitting
• 22:04
  lyrics like RIP Harambe sipping on some Bombay A we're on our
• 22:08
  way to heaven. Amen.
• 22:09
  Amen. I really love that you know the.
• 22:11
  Lyrics. Oh, I'm reading them.
• 22:12
  But I I, I have listened to this a few times in preparation this
• 22:16
  episode. That's not the only musical
• 22:17
  performance I want to show you. This is a song by T Pain and
• 22:21
  Mark Zuckerberg, a collaboration, if you will, on
• 22:24
  Get Low. So he's going by the name Z Pain
• 22:27
  Clever. And it is basically like a
• 22:30
  tribute to his wife Priscilla, because this is the song that
• 22:32
  was playing at a frat party when they first met.
• 22:34
  Now let's listen. I do think acoustic guitars is
• 22:38
  an interesting choice. Just wait till I get to the
• 22:48
  window and the wall bit. Is it done in this beautiful
• 22:53
  guitar to? The Wall.
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  Anyway. It makes you wonder.
• 23:12
  Makes you think of it. Gets you think.
• 23:14
  Is it that he loves his wife or does he just have a good sense
• 23:16
  of humor? I think both things can be true.
• 23:19
  Do we think he. Has a good sense of humor.
• 23:21
  I think it's did he buy a sense of humor?
• 23:24
  Did he buy that? Well, probably yeah, because T
• 23:26
  Pain doesn't just get wheeled out for no reason.
• 23:29
  It's true. He also did a performance at
• 23:30
  Priscillas 40th birthday where he donned a Benson Boone like
• 23:34
  jumpsuit and did a performance one of his songs.
• 23:37
  So like he loves his wife. I think that's our attention.
• 23:39
  But don't we all? Know I mean, yeah, you're
• 23:42
  talking to two girls with microphones in front of.
• 23:44
  Them literally. And we're both Leos.
• 23:45
  So that's the story of Zach and Mosque potentially nearly having
• 23:49
  beef in a ring, in the Coliseum, in A room.
• 23:51
  I really hope we get it me. Too.
• 23:52
  Oh my God. Presidency falls.
• 23:54
  The men realize they have nothing in common.
• 23:57
  Fist up, fist up. Well, that's all we have time
• 23:59
  for today. Thanks for listening and thanks
• 24:01
  to Tempest One for making this whole thing possible.
• 24:03
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• 24:08
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