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Autistic Boy Sebastian Rogers MISSING: New Clues · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Where is a missing autistic
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  Speaker 1: teen Sebastian Rogers? The hunt is on for this boy?
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  Speaker 1: Did he wander away from home entirely barefoot? This as
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  Speaker 1: eerie surveillance footage emerges outside Sebastian's home, purportedly of two
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  Speaker 1: people with flashlights. What does that mean? I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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  Speaker 1: here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, listen to this.
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  Speaker 2: When I welcome up for school, he wasn't there. I
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  Speaker 2: took a second walk through the house looking for him,
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  Speaker 2: in case you've gotten up and was trying to get
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  Speaker 2: breakfast or something, because you did that sometimes. Three minutes
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  Speaker 2: in give or page, I was on the phone with
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  Speaker 2: my husband. I said I can't found him. He said,
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  Speaker 2: what do you mean, can't find them?
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  Speaker 1: I said, he's not that you are hearing Sebastian's mother
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  Speaker 1: describing the moment that she realizes Sebastian is gone again.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grayson. I want to thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. The search for Sebastian is on. And let
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  Speaker 1: me right off the top, give you the tip line
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  Speaker 1: sixty one five four five one three, eight, three eight
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  Speaker 1: repeat sixty one five four, five one three eight three eight.
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  Speaker 1: This boy needs our help. Where is Sebastian? Joining me
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  Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of what we
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  Speaker 1: know right now. But first I want to go out
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  Speaker 1: to a very special guest. This is Sebastian's father joining us,
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  Speaker 1: Seth Rogers. Mister Rogers, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Could you recount for us when you learn Sebastian is missing?
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  Speaker 1: I know, it just seems completely surreal.
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  Speaker 3: There's no words for it. I mean, when I found
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  Speaker 3: out that he was gone, I was just like, I
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  Speaker 3: headed over to Katie's house see what was going on?
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  Speaker 3: And he's not here. I don't know where he's at.
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  Speaker 3: I've been looking for him every.
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  Speaker 1: Day, Seth, What have you been doing to look for him?
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  Speaker 1: Every day? And I know that to be true? You
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  Speaker 1: are looking for him every day. This young boy is autistic.
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  Speaker 1: He may not in a scared and emotional and lost state.
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  Speaker 1: He may not even be able to tell someone who
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  Speaker 1: he is and where his home is. He is out
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  Speaker 1: there lost and the Lord only knows where. Seth, what
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  Speaker 1: have you been doing to find Sebastian?
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  Speaker 3: Been adding out flyers every day. I've been on this podcast,
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  Speaker 3: I've done some face to face interviews on the news.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just anything I can. I've been to the South
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  Speaker 3: side of Nashville. I've been to Franklin. I've been to Bellevue.
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  Speaker 3: I've been through Henderson, I've been through Gallatin, I've been
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  Speaker 3: through Clarksville. I've been through Oak Grove, Kentucky. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'm handing out flyers finding out I mean, I want
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  Speaker 3: everybody to see my son and know that he's missing,
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  Speaker 3: and that if you see him, call nine one one.
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  Speaker 3: I need my son back.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get my mind around what you
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  Speaker 1: and Sebastian's mom are going through. Because when I go
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  Speaker 1: in to wake up my twins, if they're not in
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  Speaker 1: the bed, which is rare, you're just still asleep. If
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  Speaker 1: they're not in the bed, I immediately glance in the bathroom,
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  Speaker 1: and if they're not, there's totally out of character. They're
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  Speaker 1: always right there in their bedroom in the morning when
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  Speaker 1: I wake them up, and that would be totally out
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  Speaker 1: of the normal if they weren't there. Tell me your
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  Speaker 1: understanding of what happened.
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  Speaker 3: Katy told me that she when she woke up Monday,
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  Speaker 3: morning that he wasn't in his room and she can't
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  Speaker 3: find him. And I heard that once I got there.
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  Speaker 3: When I got off of work, I had a text
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  Speaker 3: message from the stepfather, Chris and a missed phone call,
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  Speaker 3: and I called him and he told me that Sebastian
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  Speaker 3: was missing and he didn't know what had happened.
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  Speaker 1: So seth to your understanding when you get there to
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  Speaker 1: the same What time did you get to the home
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  Speaker 1: that day?
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  Speaker 3: I got the message at about seven twenty. I was
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  Speaker 3: there at about eight o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: So immediately when you got to the home, tell me
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  Speaker 1: about the state of the home.
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  Speaker 3: The home was clean, I mean, it looked like it
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  Speaker 3: normally did when I walked in.
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  Speaker 1: So were there any signs of a forced entry at
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  Speaker 1: the front or back door or on Sebastian's window that
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  Speaker 1: you could observe?
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  Speaker 3: No, there was nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Was anything stolen from.
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  Speaker 3: The home, not that I was informed of.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know if there are burglar lights motion sensor
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  Speaker 1: lights that would turn on if someone moved on the
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  Speaker 1: perimeter of the home, No, ma'am. Okay, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: understand his daily routine. Did Sebastian get up every morning
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  Speaker 1: and go to school?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. What school Beach High School?
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  Speaker 1: How far away?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's like point six miles.
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  Speaker 1: Six miles did you say six miles point six point
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  Speaker 1: six miles very close to home? Did he walk or
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  Speaker 1: take a bus or ride a bike?
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  Speaker 3: He rode the bus.
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  Speaker 1: He rode the bus. Is he mainstreamed? He is autistic?
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  Speaker 1: Is he mainstreamed with other students?
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  Speaker 3: He's in there? Why we Try program?
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  Speaker 1: What is that?
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  Speaker 3: It's for their It's for the special needs children where
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  Speaker 3: they are doing the same tasks that the mainstream does,
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  Speaker 3: but they get a little bit extra time. You know,
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  Speaker 3: if they have like thirty questions, then in the Why
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  Speaker 3: We Try program, they get like twenty and they get
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  Speaker 3: extra time to answer them.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm trying to understand that morning your wife calls you,
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  Speaker 1: your ex calls you about seven twenty am. Would that
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  Speaker 1: have been on a school day?
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  Speaker 3: No, it was it was her husband that called me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Was that at seven twenty am?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 3: Seven twenty am is when I got to my vehicle
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  Speaker 3: because I got off of work at seven. My shift
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  Speaker 3: ended at seven. By the time I found out to
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  Speaker 3: make sure that I didn't have to stay over or anything.
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  Speaker 3: Then I got to my trunck about seven twenty, and
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  Speaker 3: they had texted me and tried to call me on
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  Speaker 3: my cellphone around six twenty, and.
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  Speaker 1: You found out about it at seven twenty. Is that correct, yes, ma'am. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: mister Rogers. Did he go missing on a school day.
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  Speaker 3: From my understanding, she put him to bed Sunday night,
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  Speaker 3: and yes, Monday morning he's missing.
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  Speaker 1: So he's in his room Sunday night. Monday morning, he's
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  Speaker 1: gone out of his home. Could you tell me the
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  Speaker 1: level of the severity of his autism.
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  Speaker 3: He's very intelligent, He's very smart. He just lacks social
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  Speaker 3: skills in reading the people's body language. He likes things
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  Speaker 3: to be in a routine. He likes to control his environment.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at Sebastian right now, and it is breaking
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  Speaker 1: my heart thinking of this young boy, this autistic boy,
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  Speaker 1: possibly out in the wild, possibly with strangers. He doesn't know.
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  Speaker 1: What would his reaction be to that seth Rogers.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, because I've never seen him have to
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  Speaker 3: deal with this. Most of the time, if he's with me,
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  Speaker 3: he gets his information from me about interacting with people.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if I sit there and I'm meeting new people,
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  Speaker 3: I talked to him. It's like son, you can introduce
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  Speaker 3: yourself if you like. If he does, he does. If
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't want to, I don't make him.
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  Speaker 1: Seth, when was the last time you can verify that
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  Speaker 1: he was alive and well.
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  Speaker 3: When I talk to him on Thursday?
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  Speaker 1: How often do you see him?
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  Speaker 3: I get to see him every other weekend if he's
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  Speaker 3: on like a spring break or a fall break, or
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  Speaker 3: he's got an extended time away from school for like
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  Speaker 3: school days when we had the weather was bad out
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  Speaker 3: here and they canceled school. He was with me summer
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  Speaker 3: breaks by get him whatever he's not in.
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  Speaker 1: School, Seth. Whenever you have the opportunity to be with Sebastian,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it true that you exercise that opportunity? You are
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  Speaker 1: with him every chance possible under the law. Yes, ma'am, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I'm bringing in the rest of the panel. You are hearing.
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  Speaker 1: Seth Rogers describe the moment he gets off of work
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  Speaker 1: around seven am, gets to his vehicle and realizes his
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  Speaker 1: wife and the stepdad have been calling and texting him
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  Speaker 1: since around six twenty ish am so on a Monday
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  Speaker 1: morning to tell him his son, an autistic boy, is missing.
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  Speaker 1: From their home, and from what I can tell right now,
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  Speaker 1: you heard Aaron Cantrell jumping in earlier, and thank you
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  Speaker 1: for that. Aaron, please don't hold back. Erin, we're not
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  Speaker 1: having high tea at Windsor Castle. Aaron is joining us
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  Speaker 1: in news Channel five in Nashville. Erin, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. I don't hear anything so far about
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  Speaker 1: a forced entry, about a window being open, about anything
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  Speaker 1: being taken from the home. I understand that the mother
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  Speaker 1: put him to bed at regular bedtime for school the
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  Speaker 1: next morning, and that around six to six twenty a m.
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  Speaker 1: Monday morning, she says, she goes into his bedroom to
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  Speaker 1: wake him and he is gone. Aaron or Seth or
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  Speaker 1: anyone else else on the panel, do we know that
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  Speaker 1: anything else was missing, such as his backpack, a cell phone,
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  Speaker 1: something he liked. Do we know anything about anything missing
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  Speaker 1: from the home.
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  Speaker 3: His mother said that he's missing the key chain flashlight.
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  Speaker 1: That's it, his keychain flashlight. Interesting, interesting, Seth Rogers. When
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  Speaker 1: I come in, I put my driver's license and credit cards,
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  Speaker 1: which are in a rubber band. That's my pocket book.
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  Speaker 1: All of that and my key and a certain spot
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  Speaker 1: in the kitchen. Rarely do I put it anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: This is what I'm asking, Seth. You told me that
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  Speaker 1: your son, autistic boy, Sebastian, likes things in a certain way,
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  Speaker 1: in a routine like many of us would he have
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  Speaker 1: had that flashlight. And I believe you said keys, flashlight
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  Speaker 1: and keys attached to each other.
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  Speaker 3: It's a key chain flashlight. It's a flashlight that would
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  Speaker 3: go in your keys.
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  Speaker 1: I bet he always putting them in a certain place,
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  Speaker 1: didn't he?
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  Speaker 3: In my house? All of his stuff is in his
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  Speaker 3: upper drawer. When the police showed up at my house
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  Speaker 3: to look upper drawer, house, key wallet, everything's in his
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  Speaker 3: upper drawer.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining me right now is
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  Speaker 1: an expert, a board certified behavior analyst and autism expert,
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  Speaker 1: Chief clinical officer with Little Stars Therapy Services, Courtney Laski,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. Isn't it
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  Speaker 1: true that autistic children, like many of us, like things
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  Speaker 1: to be in a certain order for many, many varied reasons.
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  Speaker 1: If this was missing from Sebastian's home, I would venture
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  Speaker 1: to hypothesize he took it with him.
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  Speaker 5: Correct.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, And you know, without knowing Sebastian personally, I can't
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  Speaker 6: make any assumptions about his behavior, but knowing that this
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  Speaker 6: was not a typical history for him to wander to
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  Speaker 6: leave the house in the middle of the night, it
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  Speaker 6: is interesting that he did leave with that key chain flashlight.
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  Speaker 1: You know another thing which is quite the dichotomy, Courtney Laski,
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to throw this to you as well,
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  Speaker 1: Seth Rogers. If he was in such routine as I
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  Speaker 1: believe he was due to his circumstances being autistic, why
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  Speaker 1: would he have left without his shoes? That is not
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  Speaker 1: his routine. This is not a child that leaves a
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  Speaker 1: home without his shoes. First of all, Seth, how do
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  Speaker 1: I know he didn't have his shoes?
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  Speaker 3: Three pairs of shoes were at the front door, his
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  Speaker 3: old tennis shoes, his new tennis shoes that his mama
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  Speaker 3: had just bought him, in the boots that I had
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  Speaker 3: just bought him.
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  Speaker 1: Is it possibly wore another set of shoes.
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  Speaker 3: His feet were grown And the last time I had
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  Speaker 3: him for that, the last weekend I had him, his
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  Speaker 3: moment told me that his shoes weren't fitting anymore, and
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  Speaker 3: she asked me to get him shoes, and we wanted
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  Speaker 3: a pair of boots, so we went to boot bart
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  Speaker 3: and got even a pair of boots.
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  Speaker 1: Is it possible he wore a different pair of shoes.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, think so, because if he's not fitting into him,
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  Speaker 3: she gets.
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  Speaker 1: Rid of them. Okay, let me tell you something, Seth.
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  Speaker 1: My son and daughter have one of those she wrecks
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  Speaker 1: over the back of their closet door, and I would see.
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  Speaker 1: I see those closet doors ten times a day. I
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  Speaker 1: would see if shees were missing.
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  Speaker 3: I would know that there's no shoes in his room.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, there's my answer. He left without his shoes on.
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  Speaker 3: Shoes get taken off at the front door. Same as
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  Speaker 3: my house.
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  Speaker 1: Same here. I always have people take their shoes off
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  Speaker 1: at the door. Just have it so there were no
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  Speaker 1: shoes in his room. All the shoes were still sitting
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  Speaker 1: at the door. Can we confirm that, Seth?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: Guys you may think, why is she asking and asking
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  Speaker 1: and asking about the same thing. I'll tell you why.
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  Speaker 1: Behavioral evidence evidence of routine hold on Courtney Laski, because
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  Speaker 1: this touches on you as well. Doctor Sherry Schwartz is
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  Speaker 1: with me forensic psychologists specializing in victim advocacy at Panthermitigation
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  Speaker 1: Dot com doctor Sherry, thank you for being with us,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry. When I say routine evidence, I don't mean
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  Speaker 1: mundane evidence, just you know, the regular evidence. I mean
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  Speaker 1: evidence of routine. For instance, if I came and sat
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  Speaker 1: down in this chair in this studio and Jackie was
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  Speaker 1: not right there, she would either be dead or on
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  Speaker 1: the way or in the hospital period because that's her routine. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So this autistic child would not have left in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the night without a pair of shoes on.
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  Speaker 1: And that is telling me something. Probatively, it proves something
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  Speaker 1: to me. What do you think of it, doctor Sherry.
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  Speaker 7: I agree completely, Nancy. I actually saw an interview that
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  Speaker 7: mister Rogers gave about this particular issue and how when
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  Speaker 7: he was younger, Sebastian he stepped he went outside barefoot,
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  Speaker 7: and he stepped into an ant hill of fire ants.
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  Speaker 3: And so Dad.
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  Speaker 7: Doesn't believe that he would go out barefoot, and so
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  Speaker 7: this goes to that behavioral evidence that you're talking about.
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  Speaker 7: This is another fact that's very important that we need
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  Speaker 7: to pay attention to because this is not something that
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  Speaker 7: Sebastian would normally do. And we know this because he's
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  Speaker 7: had a prior experience. So These are really important cues
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  Speaker 7: in an investigation like this.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz. A lot of people may think that
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  Speaker 1: means nothing that I can't find his shoes, But it
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  Speaker 1: means a lot to me, and I guarantee you it
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  Speaker 1: would mean a lot to any mother or father hearing
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  Speaker 1: this event, Seth, What does it mean to you? Was
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  Speaker 1: he prone to go outside and wander around at all period? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Number one? At night in the dark? Number two and
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  Speaker 1: without his shoes? On number three? Would he ever have
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  Speaker 1: done that? Seth?
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  Speaker 3: From No? I mean the only time he goes outside
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  Speaker 3: at night at my house is to put the trash
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  Speaker 3: in the trash can, which is right outside my front door.
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  Speaker 3: I said, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Very curious about this. And one more thing while it's
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  Speaker 1: on my mind. Does he have social media? Seth?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: He does?
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  Speaker 8: Don't?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, good, I can rule that out, or at least
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  Speaker 1: we don't think he does. Is he have a cell phone?
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  Speaker 3: He does have a cell phone.
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  Speaker 1: Where's the cell phone.
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  Speaker 3: At his mom? And dead? At his mom and stepfathers.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't take his cell phone? Seth? Is he like every
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  Speaker 1: other boy in America glued to his cell.
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  Speaker 3: Phone when he has access to it?
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that when does he have access?
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  Speaker 9: When he has access to like YouTube and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 9: he is glued to his phone because he likes to
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  Speaker 9: watch videos about Minecraft and he likes to watch videos
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  Speaker 9: of people playing woman Craft.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you do know that social media because people can
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  Speaker 1: talk to each other on Minecraft. Did you know that?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 3: No, what I'm talking about is the videos he watches
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  Speaker 3: videos of people playing it on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: Does he play it?
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  Speaker 3: I think he hasn't for his switch at his mom's house,
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  Speaker 3: but he does not, and he's glued to that all
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  Speaker 3: the time.
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  Speaker 1: We need a forensic search to that phone pronto, Seth,
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  Speaker 1: because I find it very curious if he went voluntarily
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  Speaker 1: that he didn't take the phone with him, okay, because
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  Speaker 1: it'd be cold a in htbl that either one of
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  Speaker 1: my sixteen year old would go anywhere without their phone.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not just them, I mean everybody takes their
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  Speaker 1: phone with them everywhere they go. It's like their magic
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  Speaker 1: wand you can't be without it. So I find it interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Did the mom have the phone put away? Could he
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  Speaker 1: have taken it with him?
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  Speaker 3: Most of the time I've seen the phone plug down
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  Speaker 3: on the counter on the little bar in their kitchen.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to Courtney Laski joining us expert and
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  Speaker 1: children and teens with autism. Courtney, you've been listening way in.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, I absolutely agree with you, Nancy. This is a
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  Speaker 6: very unusual pattern of behavior that we're looking at. If
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  Speaker 6: this child has access to a cell phone, like you said,
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  Speaker 6: minecraft is social media, YouTube, is social media anywhere that
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  Speaker 6: he would have access and the ability to talk with others,
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  Speaker 6: my concern would be related to his autism diagnosis and
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  Speaker 6: that deficit in communication and understanding.
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  Speaker 1: Of social skills.
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  Speaker 6: Is it possible that peers at school or someone has
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  Speaker 6: contacted him through these gaming methods, bullying, peer pressure? Was
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  Speaker 6: he persuaded to leave, perhaps from his mom's house in
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  Speaker 6: the middle of the night.
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  Speaker 1: Is that you jumping agin Seth?
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. I know that his phone was locked down.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: He had no internet access. He only had the ability
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: to take pictures on his phone, text on his phone,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: FaceTime and telephone calls. Everything else was locked down on
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: his phone.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Have the police looked at his phone? Have they taken
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: his phone to look at who he may have been
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: speaking to?
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Question, where is this coming? Where's this coming from Aaron
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Cantrell that people saw flashlights, to people with flashlights around
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the property the night that Sebastian disappears. And I keep
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: seeing in all the headlines the night that Sebastian wandered
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: off barefoot. I don't think that's what happened. He's never
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: wandered off before.
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: What go ahead, dear, yes, ma'am, Well, we know we
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: got that video a little later. So we just got
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: that video maybe and released it within like the last
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: week or so. But this is from just neighborhood video,
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: like the ring doorbell cameras in that subdivision. From the reporting,
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: there's not street lights there, so that's why it's so
• 19:46
  Speaker 8: pitched black and it's so late at night. But you
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: see those two flashlights. But what's interesting is where these
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: lights are. It's almost a common area, so it wouldn't
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: be odd if someone may have been out at that
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: time walking their dog or something of that nature. But
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: the fact that Sebastian did leave with a flashlight and
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: there are two flashlights seen in that video, why do.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: You keep saying Sebastian did leave. Why are you saying
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: that would you go out in the middle of the
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: night and leave without your shoes on. I'm just curious,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: would you erin?
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: No, you make a good point.
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: I would not leave without my shoes.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I think you would either, even more so because you're
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: hearing Courtney Laski and Seth Rogers state this boy is autistic.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: He doesn't think the same way we think. We have
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: to try to think like him. He liked everything in
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: a particular routine. His routine was he wore shoes every
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: time he went out. After the ant bed incident. Okay,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: so no, why would he go missing? And let me
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: ask you something else, Aaron Cantrell. Isn't it true that
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Emergency Management Agency Director Ken Widner has told us that
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the canines could not pick up a scent out doors?
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: Exactly, they have not been able to pick up a scent,
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: and they had a false hit, but then that did
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: not turn out to be anything. Because this when Sebastian
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: went missing, it was kind of a warm day that
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: first day, but after the next day of the search
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: it went extremely cold. It was rainy, which made it
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: even more concerning because here you do, you have this
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: fifteen year old who has autism, when no shoes on
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: and you know, maybe a sweatshirt and sweatpants, but it
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: is now cold, so they were concerned about hypothermia as well.
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: So a lot of factors kind of changed the search
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: as well, but they have not picked up a scent
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: at all.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Officials have now been able to analyze home security video
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: from that Hendersonville neighborhood and discover signs of what may
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: have happened to Sebastian. Two people near the family home
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: and as I recall, it was around three ten am
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: that Monday, three ten am. Who in the hay is
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: walking around? Two people two flashlights at three ten am
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: in that neighborhood and coincidentally it is the same time
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: during which Sebastian goes missing, which leads me to our guest,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Douglas McGregor, geographic profileer specializing in violent crime and missing people.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: You can find him at the Goo profile er. Douglas,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. A lot's happening
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: right here. No K nine sent outside, no shoes, no
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: break in, no theft, the phone's still there. Weigh in,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: So if we.
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: Look at if we look at each of these, then
• 22:53
  Speaker 10: no shoes thing. There's a lot of autistic people who
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: actually enjoy going barefoot in our connects them with the earth.
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: They like that texture, that feel. I mean, there's a
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: whole campaign barefooting for autism.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me stop you right there, Douglas, let me
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: stop you right there. Seth Rogers's right. But does that
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: have anything to do with Sebastian. Did Sebastian go barefoot outside?
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Was he part of barefoot for Autism? Do you know?
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: No, he's got a pair of slippers that he wears
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: so he doesn't have to put on the socks and shoes.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: He puts those on it if he's going to go
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: out to the trash or check the mill and doesn't
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: want to put socks on.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Have you seen him since the ant bad incident go
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: outside barefoot?
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: No, not on my house.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, back to you, Douglas McGregor, go ahead.
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: So continuing on with just how he left the premises,
• 23:42
  Speaker 10: the other question I have is the wording and law
• 23:47
  Speaker 10: enforcement is giving out with regard to what he was wearing,
• 23:50
  Speaker 10: the clothing that he was in, a black sweater and
• 23:52
  Speaker 10: black sweatpants. How do we know that did he go
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: to bed in those in that clothing? How do we
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: know he didn't wake up in the middle and change clothing.
• 24:01
  Speaker 10: I think the wording should be he may be in
• 24:03
  Speaker 10: a black sweatshirt and sweatpants, or he may have those
• 24:06
  Speaker 10: things on him if they are missing from the house,
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: but we don't know that he left in those You.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Know, that's a really good point, seth Rogers. What about it?
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Is that what he slept in? How do we know
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: that's what he was wearing.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: His mom said that he was wearing black leisure pants
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: and a black T shirt, which when he went to bed.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Guys, I want you to hear what Eric Acratic, chief
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Deputy of Sumner County Sheriffs, has to say.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Really wanted to come to the community and ask for
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: your help. We need you to search your properties every day,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: morning and night. If there's a shd or a crawl
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: space or up under your mobile home, or a tarp
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: that's in your yard, check it every morning and check
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: it every night. If he went for any details that
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: something has been disturbed, If there's a shirt that was
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: there today that wasn't there yesterday, notify us. You can
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: really help us by searching your own property twice a day.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Like I said, we're operating under assumption that Sabashian walked off,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: and we really need your help to ensure that he
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: is brought him safely.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Did he did he walk off? If so, why are
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: canines not picking up his scent? I can tell you
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: this seth Rogers, and to you, Douglas McGregor, the best
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: witness I ever put on the stand, and all the
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: years I tried cases, and I don't mean shopliftings, I
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: mean felony, homicides, violent crimes. Was a dog. If the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: dog tells me the dog cannot pick up a scent,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I believe the dog. So I'm having hard time accepting
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: what I'm hearing that this young autistic boy just waded
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: out in the middle of the night without shoes on. Okay,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: back to you, Douglas McGregor, tell me more of your analysis.
• 25:44
  Speaker 10: So looking at what the canines were able to pick up,
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: those canines should be picking up multiple cents. And it's
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: all based on Sebastian's routine activities. You know, does he
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: go to a friend's house during the week, does he
• 25:59
  Speaker 10: go to the corner store, does he occasionally walk to
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: school even taking the bus. Those canines should be picking
• 26:06
  Speaker 10: up all those sins from that seven days past because
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: canines regularly train from a scenarios where someone's gone missing
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: from one hour up to seven days, and bloodhounds can
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: pick up even longer than seven days. So those canines
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: should be picking up since they should be tracking those
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: sens and then ruling them out as as an activity
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: from the past that isn't associated with him going missing.
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: On that Sunday evening.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Seth Rogers, why have you been told that authorities are
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: searching a landfill?
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: They told me they just wanted to make sure that
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: there was nothing there.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Aaron Contrail joining me News Channel five out of Nashville. Aaron,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: what can you tell me about this landfill search?
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Nancy, So they had got a tip that potentially
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: from the garbage workers that maybe the trash may have
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: been off a little bit.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that. You can't just throw
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: a grenade into my mind palace and expect me not
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: to follow up. What do you mean something was off?
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: So basically the workers said they, you know, they have
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: the same garbage truck drivers that come to the house,
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: and when they picked up the garbage can it just
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: felt more heavier than normal. So they just said that
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: to the authorities. So just to follow up on that tip,
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: they went out to the landfill the search because that's
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: where the trash is taken there in Sumner County. They
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: take it out there to Kentucky. So just following up
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: on that tip, that's what kind of led them out there,
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: because you know, we're used to our garbage, you know,
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: the same garbage truck workers coming out there, they know
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: kind of how the trash usually feels every single day,
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: so it felt a little off for them, so that's
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: why they told that to the authorities. So that's kind
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: of what led them to the landfill to start looking around.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Seth Rogers, have you been asked to take a polygraph?
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Would you be willing to take a polygraph?
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Volunteered?
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that. You know, I hold every
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: parent to the gold standard. I don't know if you've
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: ever heard of Mark Klass. His daughter Polly was kidnapped
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: from the home. She was horribly molested and murdered. When
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: cops came to heat, like you, was separated or divorced
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: from his wife and lived separately. You know what he
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: said when they came at the door, He's like, take
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: my fingerprints, search my home, search my car. Search my office,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: do whatever you want, find my daughter, Find who took
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: my daughter, because it's not me, I'll take I'll do
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: whatever you want. And they did all of that. Of
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: course it wasn't him, somebody else. But that said, has
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: the mother and the stepfather taken a polygraph? I know
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the mom is, so she agreed to a polygraph. What
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: about the stepfather?
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: I have no idea.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Guys, there is a reward for information into search for
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: this little autistic boy. Aeron at kntrell. I want you
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to take a listen to what Chief Deputy Eric Kradick
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: has to say. Listen.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Last Monday morning, at about six thirty, Sebastian was reported missing
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: from his home. Since then, we've conducted an extensive and
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: exhaustive search around the home looking for any evidence, any
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: trace of Sebastian. At this time, the decision has been
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: made to scale back on the ground search operations. Let
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: me be clear that this does not diminish our commitment
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: to finding Sebastian. This is simply us transitioning from the
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: ground search to the investigative side. We are still committed
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: to finding Sebastian bringing him home safe. We have no leads,
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: no details, to indicate that Sebastian is not alive.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: From what I know, I can tell you that at
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: this juncture, the family has totally cooperated with police. I'm
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: curious about these flashlights. Back to you. Aaron Kentrell joining
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: us from News Channel five. Aaron, I'm deducing nobody's told
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: me this that the flashlights of apparently two people were
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: saying in that neighborhood. Was it on ring cam?
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: They believe it's a kind of a neighborhood kind of video,
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: so either ring or some version of that in the neighborhood,
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: which I'm in a Facebook group called Finding Sebastian Rodgers,
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: and neighbors have posted in there, like one neighbor said,
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: if he would have walked near their house, you know,
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: you have those automatic lights that sometime come on, but
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: that didn't come on. But in the video with the flashlights,
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: you see two flashlights. That's all you can see because
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: it's so dark. There's no street lights in the neighborhood.
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: But you see two lights walking towards kind of a
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: to the right of the video. But then you see
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: I think it may be into a wooded area and
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: then one of those light, both those lights disappear, but
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: then you see one person stay away, but then some
• 30:59
  Speaker 8: other person or thing comes back into the.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Camera.
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: So that's kind of odd too, because you see two
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: flashlights leave and then you see some sort of body
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: of something of one person walk back through the camera.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I'm curious how close were the flashlights to their home
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to Sebastian's home.
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: Very close, so it is kind of right behind the home.
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: Kind of like a common area of the neighborhood, so
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: you know, like a subdivision there may be kind of
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: like some grassier area, maybe people may walk their dogs,
• 31:30
  Speaker 8: that sort of thing. So it's kind of a common area,
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: but very close to Sebastian's home.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: So these flashlights, we think two people were right behind
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Sebastian's home. Is that correct, Aaron? Yes, okay. Are you
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: also telling me that there are lights that come on
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: automatically that are motion censored on Sebastian's home.
• 31:52
  Speaker 8: That's what one of the neighbors alluded to in a
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: Facebook post early on in the investigation. You know, there
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: was a Facebook group started, and you know, right now
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: it's flooded with a lot of individuals. In the beginning,
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: it was definitely more just family and neighbors, and one
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: neighbor didn't mention that if he was to have walked
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: by their home, their motion lights would have come on
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: if he walked on the side of their home. So
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: that was kind of odd too, because that's why the
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: neighbors said that was suspicious to her because her light
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: normally comes on if anybody walks past the home, and.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Aaron, the motion activated lights on Sebastian and the neighbor's
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: home did not come.
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: On, no, which is in the video when you see
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: the flashlights. That's why all you can see are the
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: two dots of the flashlight. You can't really see anything else.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Aaron this ring doorbell camera
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: or something similar, did it ever show those outdoor light
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: sensors coming on that night?
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: Not in that particular video. So that's the only video
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: that we've been able to get our hands on. Authorities
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: have said they've received several videos and things of that
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: nature sent into them, but all they could confirm for
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: us with that video was that was one of the
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: pieces of evidence that they are looking at, and they
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: are aware of that video, but they could have. Authorities
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: could have other videos that they're looking at. But that's
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: the one that we've been able to get our hands on,
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: which is very odd considering again, Sebastian, they have said
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: that he had that flashlight.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: With him, Douglass McGregor, It grows curiouser and curiouser to
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: coin a phrase, because if he had walked out of
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: that house, those motion sensor lights would have come on.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: But from what we can to do, they didn't.
• 33:55
  Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly, and I've seen the video. First question would be,
• 34:01
  Speaker 10: let's just set aside the motion sensor lights for a moment.
• 34:04
  Speaker 10: Who who would he leave that house with? If it
• 34:09
  Speaker 10: wasn't one of the three parents, who would it be
• 34:12
  Speaker 10: and those you know?
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: That would be the.
• 34:14
  Speaker 10: Next step in the investigation at that point, looking at
• 34:17
  Speaker 10: that video.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: And Seth, who can verify his last conversation other than
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the mom and the stepdad? He was at school on Friday.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: You spoke to him Thursday night. He was at school
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: on Friday, correct, Yes, ma'am, So I know who was alive,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: And we'll say at three thirty on Friday afternoon, who
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: saw him other than the parents from that afternoon three
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: thirty ish till we find out he's missing on Monday morning.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know who else, So I don't have any
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: proof of life between Friday afternoon and Monday morning, I haven't.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Been informed of anything. We only proof of life would
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: be Katie.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: His mom was McGregor. Go ahead.
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: I've been following this search and i've and law enforcement
• 35:05
  Speaker 10: has done a thorough job of using different assets at
• 35:09
  Speaker 10: their disposal. But the search needs to be expanded. The
• 35:13
  Speaker 10: number one reason that autistic children go missing are runaways,
• 35:19
  Speaker 10: endangered endangered runaways, and you know, once that hits a
• 35:24
  Speaker 10: certain point in time, statistically it turns into a parent.
• 35:28
  Speaker 10: Abduction is the number one leading cause. But based on
• 35:33
  Speaker 10: his age, they need to expand this search. Where might
• 35:37
  Speaker 10: he go, what method of transportation might he have, and
• 35:42
  Speaker 10: they need to research everywhere that they've already searched within
• 35:46
  Speaker 10: the five mile or ten mile radius. Because autistic children,
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: you know, they have a tendency to hide or avoid stimuli,
• 35:58
  Speaker 10: So just loud noise in general, helicopters, sirens, people shouting,
• 36:03
  Speaker 10: they may hide, they may seek out crevices. That construction
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: site that the dog hit needs to be researched thoroughly.
• 36:13
  Speaker 10: And this is something that not only law enforcement can do,
• 36:16
  Speaker 10: but the parents can get together volunteer searches within the
• 36:20
  Speaker 10: community to search these areas as well.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Hold on, let me understand something, Aaron. You told me
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: that the dogs had not made a hit. Wasn't that
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: a false positive at the construction site? Yes, yes, ma'am,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: But still it needs to be further investigated, you know too.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Back to Seth, you keep saying that a piece of
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the puzzle is missing. Something is missing. It doesn't add up.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that something?
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: So it doesn't add up for him to break routine
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: and to leave the house with no shoes, no socks on,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: no coat. Something just doesn't make sense. I don't know
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: what he was thinking.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Guys. I want to give you the tip line again.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Six one five four five one thirty eight thirty eight
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Repeat six one, five, four five one thirty eight thirty eight.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Listen to Sebastian's mom, Katie.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: I guarantee you he has loved and trust me. The
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: open arms are waiting for him to come home, from
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: every parent, to every family members, to probably everyone in
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: the community. But there's no malice that we just want
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: our boy home.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Bad, bad. That is from w SMV four that also
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  Speaker 1: has a full discussion with Sebastian's mother. The full interview
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  Speaker 1: w SMZ four to you, Seth Rogers, what are your
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: final thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just looking for my son and wanting to come home.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: I need people to look at his best. Sure, keep
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: your eyes open, keep your head up. If you see him,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: please call it on one one. I need my son back.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think he left that home alone?
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I have no idea what to think. It's not like him.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Guys, please help us bring Sebastian home. This boy needs
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  Speaker 1: us six one five four five one three eight three
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  Speaker 1: eight goodbye. Five