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• FiFi: You guys ever taken a poop so big that you have to like shower afterwards? Graywo1f: God yes. are we saying that out loud? Sorry. FiFi: You Favourite: Hehehehehe SCUD: Wait, you don't poop in the shower? FiFi: Just waffle-stomp it down. Favourite: No waffle stomping. SCUD: Just waffle stomp it down the drain. Graywo1f: And we've degraded. SCUD: Well, all right. FiFi: we got our poop joke out of way. SCUD: Right off the bat, welcome to Alpha Ligas, everybody. Welcome to Poop Joke Central. They poop, there's your light. I'm Scud. As always, we've got Jimmy and we've got Fifi and we've got Grey Wolf. And we have another guest. We've got favorite on board. We'll let him introduce himself here in a moment. This episode is our Flight Sim Expo recap episode, which is why we've got everyone on. FiFi: forgot my light. Graywo1f: Lot happened. Jimmmmmmmy: Walk down memory lane. FiFi: And to answer all the questions. And to answer all the questions that everybody's been throwing around the internet about like all the weird like back table mafia deals that we've been doing at Flight Sim Expo that apparently everybody thinks, have you guys seen all this stuff, all the rumors? Which I mean kind of happened maybe, but I don't know, there's been like lot of crazy social media stuff where people are like, I heard that there was a big meeting amongst like all the big content creators at Flight Sim Expo with everybody and stuff like that, so. SCUD: We can't talk about that. Graywo1f: Haven't. SCUD: No. Jimmmmmmmy: I did actually so it wasn't like us by name, but I did see somebody like, I heard Eagle Dynamics had a huge meeting with all the content creators and they only invited certain people. And that's us eating like that. Graywo1f: That was seriously out there? SCUD: Shit. We were we were definitely not a part of that. FiFi: Yeah, whatever it was. Graywo1f: No, we were at a bar Jimmmmmmmy: Yeah. Graywo1f: shouting about something else entirely. That's what we were doing. SCUD: Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well let's start off by thanking our sponsor, Fox 3 Manage Solutions, and our partners, Eagle Dynamics, Heat Blur, Granelli Design, Wind Control, Pimax. FiFi: Who are we forgetting? That's it. Hopefully if we forgot you we're sorry. We're all super tired. It's June 30th right now and it's taken us this long after the expo to record this because Jimmy had to take the Oregon Trail back. SCUD: I think that's I think that's it. I think I got all. Favourite: probably have a list. Graywo1f: We're all sl we're all very sleep deprived. SCUD: We we should probably have a list, but Jimmmmmmmy: My bad. Bro. Graywo1f: Yes. SCUD: Yeah, he lost a few family members to dysenter on the way. I I have played it as well recently. FiFi: This is Terry. Jimmmmmmmy: I lo dude, I love that game. I still play it on the emulator from time to time. I do I Graywo1f: Man, I need to try that. Jimmmmmmmy: do Oregon Trail too. Better hunting graphics. SCUD: We also we also have a new Patreon member we're gonna shout out by name, Grey Wolf. No, I'm going to call you out on it. Graywo1f: well yes. You you weren't supposed to say that. I told you, don't bring it up. FiFi: Hey! You Favourite: Now he's going to rescind his Patreon membership. Graywo1f: Yeah. SCUD: No, no. There's a there's Jimmmmmmmy: He said about to FiFi: I already I just I just cashed it all out today, so we got his money. It's OK. Jimmmmmmmy: cancel this shit. SCUD: a clause in there that you can't rescind it. And it but no, it it's it's a good opportunity to bring it up and say, Join the Patreon, support, help us out, help us help you by making awesome DCS content. Yeah. Graywo1f: Yes, and join the Patreon so you can see wild and crazy things from, you know, anyone ducking behind a green screen and and shouting out obscenities. I don't know. I mean, might might be fun. Jimmmmmmmy: my gosh. FiFi: That was so funny. SCUD: Yeah, the last post show show was Jimmmmmmmy: So I didn't get to so I w I I wasn't part of the last show, because I was on the road traveling, doing family stuff. Yeah, yeah, whatever. Shut up. And I I watched the whole episode, you know, in in like little spurts, you as like we're driving back and forth or you know, like cleaning the house or whatever. And then I watched the post show 'cause Scud's like, bro, you gotta watch it. So I went and watched it and I was dying the whole like in stitches. SCUD: very funny. FiFi: Yeah, you were. You were there at the beginning. You were there at the beginning. Graywo1f: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you were there. SCUD: Ha ha ha. I was like, just watch the first five seconds. Jimmmmmmmy: Yeah. FiFi: It's 12 seconds. That clip is 12 seconds long. So anyways. Jimmmmmmmy: In in in stitches. SCUD: Well, favorite. Graywo1f: We got f we got favorites. Favourite: Yeah. SCUD: Favorite is is he is part of our team. He's one of our content streamers and was at Flight Sim Expo as well with us for at least one day there. Why don't you tell us tell us we know, tell everyone about you. Favourite: Okay, where do I begin? I'm just a Midwestern old guy. I'll be 42 next month. Gamer that... SCUD: That helps bra that helps raise the average so Fifi's still over forty. Favourite: Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I've been gaming my entire life. Started on the NES back in, you know, the late 80s, early 90s and been flight simmin' since the late 90s, but didn't get into the combat side until much more recently. And then as far as the content stuff goes, I've been on YouTube and Twitch for, God, six, seven years? Yeah, I do the thing. I had to add a six, seven in there for the young kids. No, I actually haven't yet. There it is. Thank you. But no, I've actually just I've had DCS for years and didn't really get into it until I finally got a nice HOTAS setup and then immediately decided to start making content about how to play it without all the fancy stuff. So I'm working on videos of playing DCS with controllers and I'm going to work my way up through some cheaper setups and some probably use my kids computers to do some stuff with that and just. prove that you don't need all the fancy hardware to get in and enjoy this game. FiFi: man after my own heart. Graywo1f: Very nice. Jimmmmmmmy: I really like that. I like it. SCUD: That brings up a question I'm gonna have for you. I'm just writing it down so I can remember when we get to the expo stuff. Where can people find your content? Favourite: Sure, sure. so like I said, Twitch and YouTube, not a lot on there now as far as DCS on my YouTube, but I'm working on that, like I said, otherwise Twitch.tv slash OhMyFavoriteTV and OhMyFavoriteTV on YouTube as well. SCUD: Perfect. Well thanks for being here. Favourite: Yeah, thanks for having me guys. SCUD: All right. How do you want to kick this Flightsum Expo stuff off? FiFi: I mean, I guess we just go chronologically. Favourite: yeah, you guys can start chronologically, which skips out on me because I was not there Friday, but I'll jump back in on Saturday when I got there. Graywo1f: Yeah, you guys you guys SCUD: We should talk about Graywo1f: Well you guys flew in what, Wednesday? I drove up Thursday. SCUD: We well, we we all got in Wednesday and Jimmy got in Wednesday morning at like the ass crack of dawn. Couldn't check into your hotel until when? Jimmmmmmmy: six five D four rush hour. Graywo1f: Jimmy got in Thursday morning. Jimmmmmmmy: it wasn't supposed to be until like three or four. Yeah, what yeah, I there Thursday. FiFi: Yeah, he was. Yeah, we flew in on Thursday morning or Thursday afternoon. Yeah, Jimmy had to sleep on a park bench for a little bit before he was able to check into his hotel. SCUD: Yeah. Thursday, Wednesday, Thursday. Yeah. Graywo1f: Brave Man taking the red eye. Holy cow. Jimmmmmmmy: I had a really Favourite: boy. SCUD: Immediately the image of the the bomb on the park bench in Back to the Future comes to my mind. Crazy drunk pedestrians. FiFi: Yeah. Graywo1f: Ha ha. Jimmmmmmmy: I had a I had a really Yeah. I had I had a lot of time to sit around and take in the closed expo and the hotel 'cause there's nothing opened at like six thirty in Saint Paul, Minnesota. Favourite: Yeah, no, no. So you got to take in the sights, sounds and smells of St. Paul. FiFi: Well, it's funny because he was like. was funny because he was texting us all day too. It was, it was a nice town. Yeah. It is funny because Jimmy was texting us all day and Jimmy's like, okay guys, I'm here. And I'm like, I'm still in bed in Florida. Like, what are you? Jimmmmmmmy: Mm-hmm. Graywo1f: Saypool was really nice. SCUD: I liked it. Jimmmmmmmy: Yes. Graywo1f: It was so nice. SCUD: Ha ha. Graywo1f: Yes. I remember that. Yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: He did. I I send a picture of my my media pass and I like, Hey, I'm checked in, what time you guys get near? And he sends me a picture of him like in bed, like naked, staring at the camera like this. Graywo1f: Yeah. FiFi: Dude, it's a tune SCUD: Wait, you got a picture of you got a picture of Fifi in bed naked? Jealous. FiFi: that... Jimmmmmmmy: Yeah, I went FiFi: Well, Jimmmmmmmy: to the group chat, dude. Favourite: That was just a bonus. Graywo1f: That'll be on the that'll be on the the after show. Stay tuned for the after the post show on Patreon. FiFi: that. Nobody wants that. But yeah, so. SCUD: The push. Jimmmmmmmy: Ooh, let me dig it up. Graywo1f: Everyone wants. Jimmmmmmmy: hell yeah. SCUD: well and then and then Fifi flew in from Florida and kept texting me nervously about flying because how long has it been since you've flown on a plane? FiFi: Dude, it's been like 15 years since the last time I flew. So I was like... Graywo1f: wow. Jimmmmmmmy: What? SCUD: Like talking him off the edge. I'm like, it's just a flight to f it's just a flight. You're fine. Breathe, Fifi, breathe. FiFi: Well, and then on top of that, like my first flight back, I'm on a 737-900, like the one plane that's been having all the issues. So I'm like, this is awesome. It's great. And my first thought, the first officer on my flight looked like he was 12 years old. Like, Graywo1f: No, those are the ma Maxes, I thought. Favourite: That's just because you're old, dude. SCUD: Ha ha ha. FiFi: No, I'm not I'm not 40 Graywo1f: Yeah. Yeah, above forty club, right? I was driving up Thursday and it rained the entire drive until I got to Saint Paul and it was sunny. So that was a that was a good omen for the weekend. Yes. FiFi: Yeah. SCUD: We did have really nice weather in Saint Paul. FiFi: Yeah. So like, Scud landed like 10 minutes ahead of me. I'm sure his plane cut ours off. That's the why, because we had to do like two or three laps around before we able to land. Jimmmmmmmy: Guts SCUD: Yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: flying jump seat, he sees your flight like, you know, somewhere and he's like, he reaches forward and just pushes the auto throttles forward. He's like, Well, we beaten it. Graywo1f: man. Yeah, 'cause Scud's in the jump seat. SCUD: Yeah, I wasn't in the jump seat. Graywo1f: He's seeing the tea he's seeing the tea cast and all of that. FiFi: Yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: Yeah. SCUD: I had no control over us landing before you, Fifi, but I did see your airplane and flip you off as we flew by. So FiFi: He's like he's like Delta Airlines flight 2462 that one don't let that one go ahead of us. Jimmmmmmmy: Fuck that guy. SCUD: But it was it was windy landing in Minneapolis. Like it was the pilots on the flight deck were working it and and we land and I'm like we're just taxiing to the gate when Fifi texts that he lands. He was like the the jet right behind ours that he's like texting about the winds and I'm like, Yeah, yeah. It it was it was sporty and I wasn't flying. Graywo1f: It's yeah, it's windy there. Mm-hmm. FiFi: Yeah. Yeah. And then Scott met me at the gate and it felt like a, it was, it felt like a, it felt like a, like a 1940s movie. Like when we're like returning back from war and like your, your honey's sitting there waiting for you. And Scott does just like this thing. Yeah. He did, he did this thing where like he was looking down at his phone and then like, as I came walking off, he just immediately looked up at me and gave me like the big heart eyes. SCUD: It was very romantic. I ran up and jumped into Phoebe's arms. Can you blame me? Can you blame me? Graywo1f: Did Sc did Scud FiFi: Yeah. Graywo1f: did Scud look like Leonardo DiCaprio, you know, just bumming bumming flights in that one movie he was in? Jimmmmmmmy: dude, I love that movie. FiFi: Yeah, Favourite: Catch me if you can. Great movie. Graywo1f: Yeah. FiFi: was fun. Biggie picked us up, took us. Yeah, taxi driver. And then we went out. SCUD: Thank you, Biggie, our our Uber driver. so that's a that's a that's a story right there. So so Biggie picks me and Fifi up, takes us to we're we're gonna go pick Jimmy up. We're like on the way. Let's just like let's just go let's just go to dinner because we're all we're all at different hotels, which I throw all the shade at Fifi and Jimmy for that because Fifi's like, this is the hotel we're all gonna get because this is the one I have points for. So I book it. FiFi: yeah, yeah! SCUD: And I keep hitting both of them up. I'm Did you guys get your hotel? Did you get your hotel? Did you get your hotel? And then eventually they're like, no, but that one's booked. So we're at three different hotels because even though I'm at the one that Fifi told us to book at. So we tell Biggie, Hey, like Graywo1f: Yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: I booked I booked I booked a day after you, but they were out of rooms and that's why I had to move. Graywo1f: wow. At least it was all like within s six blocks. SCUD: But we're like, hey, Biggie, let's let's just go pick up let's just go pick up Jimmy and go get some dinner. And so we pull up to kind of where we think Jimmy should be. And we're we're texting him and and Biggie drives a a green Subaru Outback. So Jimmy texts and he's like, what kind of car? And I'm like, green lesbian car. And sure enough, before we get to Jimmy, another green Subaru Outback pulls up, and Jimmy's like going up to get in the wrong car. Graywo1f: Almost gets shot. FiFi: You SCUD: And so so we we drive up to we drive around the block like twice, then we pick up Jimmy, and then we start driving to a place to eat. We go around the block another two times to figure out where we're going, then we start our way to where we're going, and that's when we get the text from Grey Wolf and Nine Line telling us, Hey, we're gonna have dinner at this place. And so we pull over and we look up the place, and it's literally exactly where we picked up Jimmy. So we drove right back and then did another like two laps around the block. So so FiFi: It's, it's, it was the, it Favourite: Ha ha ha. FiFi: was the restaurant in his hotel. Graywo1f: Yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: I spent a lot of time there with breakfast trying to just kill time. FiFi: You Graywo1f: So for for those that don't know, yours where'd where'd where'd my tab go? there you guys are. I I was at the wind control booth, wind control graciously as well as nine line. Nineline needed some help with running some DCS rigs and it all worked out especially with having the F fourteen BU trailer come come out and we knew we were gonna try to have the F-14 B U on one of the rigs. And so wind control graciously invited me and and so I did all a bunch of setup with them on the Thursday after I got there and got the F fourteen going on the force feedback E B eighty two rig and my God. my God. So yeah, there was it was it was a fun setup day. we worked through some kinks, but we made it happen and it was it was exciting. Jimmmmmmmy: That thing is awesome. FiFi: That is wild. SCUD: Yeah, we'll talk about that. Graywo1f: It was it was exciting, yeah. So then Thursday, Thursday after the setup, wind control you know, takes us all out and and yeah, it was awesome. SCUD: We didn't know this, by the way. We got a text from you and Nineline saying that we were gonna go to dinner. So we're like, we walk in we we walk in and check in at the restaurant and we're like, we're we're we're meeting some people here and they're like, are you with that group of 30 people? And we're like, No. Graywo1f: yes. Mm-hmm. FiFi: We're like, cool. Graywo1f: We'll be well before that there's a there's even a more hilarious part is is win nine line and I are like, we we need the hooligans. We need we need we need we need the hooligans. So nine line and I we're we're with we're talking with with Bao and and and wind control and and we're like, Hey, you know, nine likes nine lines like hey, can can the hool the high alpha hooligans come come to dinner too? Do you mind you mind if they, you know, we hang out with them and Jimmmmmmmy: Biggie. Graywo1f: And Bao and Wind Control were like Sorry, who? And I'm who? And then and I was like I d I dunno lean forward and I'm like It's Fifi. Fifi yes, Fifi right, yes, get him get him over to dinner, baby. And Scud and Jimmy can come too. SCUD: Ha. Yeah. We're we're we're Fifi's entourage. Graywo1f: Yeah. FiFi: Yeah, I don't know. They're great people. They're great people. And then we got to have like the first official drink on the company card. Immediately went broke as a company doing that. But you know what? That was the best $45 spent. but yeah, dinner was hilarious because like, what's his name from wing control? Like was like, just pick the most expensive thing on the menu and order it. We're all good. Yeah, Tony. SCUD: They are. Graywo1f: Yes. SCUD: Yeah. Beef beef. Tony, yeah. Graywo1f: Yeah, Tony and Bao. FiFi: And then Sked met his best friend for the weekend. Yeah, then Sked met his best friend for the weekend, Austin. Sitting next to Austin. SCUD: There was a cool thing that happened. we're not trying to pat ourselves on the back. We're more just in shock about this. But Jimmy was texting us before we got there that there were people coming up and recognizing him from the podcast. We're like, really? R really? And then when it was the three of us and Biggie sitting there drinking a beer before dinner, some guy walks by. We're just sitting in the bar at the r at the restaurant in the hotel, and some guy walks by and like, Graywo1f: Mm-hmm. SCUD: kind of looks at us and waves and I kind of look back like, Hi. He's like, hooligans, right? And keeps walking on. And like all of us sitting at the table were like, my gosh, my gosh, gosh, my gosh. People recognize us. Jimmmmmmmy: Dude, so so I I gotta I so I'm walking back to the hotel after like walking my third lap around the expo area area, waiting for everybody else to get in. And I'm on the sidewalk walking back and some dude's like walking the same way and he like stops and he like shakes his shakes my hand, he's like, Hey, I'm Chris. I was like, Hey, what's up, Chris? I'm Corey. And he's like, Dude, I love your guys' content. And I'm I was like, Huh? And he's like, The hi alpha hooligans, you guys like do really awesome stuff. And I like, People actually watch us like FiFi: That was, yeah, go ahead, sorry. Yeah Jimmmmmmmy: No shit, that's that's SCUD: It was it was it was surprising. Graywo1f: Bittersweet. Favourite: Who would have thought? FiFi: Well, that's like a recurring theme throughout the weekend. Like, Scott and I had to keep looking at each other and be like, is this real? Like, we went from starting this random podcast, begging for 50 subscribers, and now we're here. People are approaching us. And it was just super cool to meet everybody and have people approach us. And then people wanted to take pictures with us, like the Hornet School guys. Shout out to them. Those guys are awesome. But yeah, continuing on. So Friday was wild watching you guys try to set everything up and work. SCUD: Yeah, there were there were a handful of times. Jimmmmmmmy: dude, that was awesome. FiFi: Friday morning, like. SCUD: Yeah. So Friday, for those of the that that weren't there, Friday is like the first day of the expo, but doesn't start until four PM. Earlier there's the in the big, you know, auditorium, they were having the guest speakers and stuff, but the actual expo doesn't start until four. So we've got like the entire expo floor watching everyone set up for most of the day. And watching when we say watching everyone set up, it was watching everyone set up all their gear and then Jimmmmmmmy: Mm-hmm. Graywo1f: Yeah, 'cause you may passes and yeah. SCUD: continually checking back in on Grey Wolf and Nine Line, watching them try to get DCS to work at the wind control booth. FiFi: Which they did and then Grinelli launched the F-100 and the patch for DCS and then subsequently broke it all again. Graywo1f: On stage. SCUD: Yeah, as soon as they finally get it all done, yep, the next day, or that you know, at like two o'clock that day, everything broke. Graywo1f: Yeah, because we were on we were on Steam we were on Steam builds and we couldn't like we couldn't tell it to not update. I mean maybe we could have if if we caught it or like put it in offline mode before the update came out or something, but we I mean, we didn't even think about it. Like, hey, F one hundred, yes, F one hundred baby. And yeah, had to update DCS. And the update took us past four when people are flooding in for the first day. Yeah. SCUD: The the timing on it was hilarious. Jimmmmmmmy: Dude, hundreds of people and everybody SCUD: The t the timing on it was hilarious because I we are up there and I want to talk about it, but we're up there when Grinnelli does their keynote speech and he announces that the that the F 100 is dropping right now. And then as soon as his speech is done, we walk downstairs and I'm like, I'm gonna go fly the BU. And like literally from the moment he said it's launching now to us just walking down the stairs, all the DCS screens were in a download. Like, nine line. Graywo1f: Yes. Jimmmmmmmy: Ha ha. FiFi: You SCUD: Craig, well what happened? They're like downloading the patch, we can't stop it. And it just crashed everything within minutes of him saying. FiFi: You Graywo1f: We tried. I tried. Favourite: You just got Windows Force updated by DCS. Jimmmmmmmy: Ha ha ha. FiFi: I just set everything on fire. SCUD: He should have announced it like that. He's like, the F one hundred is dropping right now and all of DCS is crashing right now. Ha. FiFi: Yeah. Oh man. But that was really cool, like watching all the setup and then like, like that wind control booth, was like, is this going to be ready by the time the doors open? And then magically at like 3.55, like everything was cleaned up and it was all good. And like that was, that was kind of crazy to see. And then everything going on and walking around. But yeah. SCUD: Let's talk about since it precedes the Expo Expo, let's talk about that keynote speech and the hooligans portion of that keynote speech. FiFi: well, there's a few things about the keynotes that I, that I, you know, we showed up in the video, we were heard. But like, so there was a couple of things about that keynote that I want to, I want to talk about, about all the keynotes was I'm, I'm honestly like, I'm not mad, but I'm severely disappointed. And there was a lot of DCS affiliated people that were talking a big game about showing up and never showed up. Graywo1f: You guys were in the video? FiFi: there and talking about boots and all this kind of stuff and then they never showed up and like I'm I'm disappointed and all those in all those people because they were they they you know they talked a huge game about it and I'm not gonna name anybody or anything like that but it would have been really cool to have more of a DCS presence there out the bat luckily Grinelli was there luckily you know Grey Wolf and 9-line were there with win control and really representing pretty hardcore and stuff like that. SCUD: That was it for DCS. FiFi: But that was it. I'll let you guys talk about the keynote stuff. Because SCUD: In the entire expo. Well FiFi: I have a dog who's about to shit himself and I gotta let him outside real quick. SCUD: All right. So I didn't go up to the keynote stuff. I was I was playing around with something else. We can talk about that later too. Jimmy and Fefe run up to go watch the keynote speakers, and I'm like, no, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna stay here and and mess with this this airplane I'm testing. and they come back down like fifteen minutes later and they're like, it's a snooze fest. It's it's just there's not there's everyone's up there talking and presenting, but like nobody's really like FiFi: Come on Toby, can go out? SCUD: clapping or cheering, it's just really quiet. And and so they went over, it was a huge haul. So they they Jimmy and Fifi went over and talked to Grinnelli and they're like, hey, can we be rowdy? Like can we get loud and be rowdy during your your your presentation? And Grinnelli's like, hell yes. So so Grinnelli walks up on stage. We all go in there by we all it's it's it's me, Jimmy, Fifi, and Vader was there. And as soon as Grinnelli gets up on stage Graywo1f: It was a big hall. Jimmmmmmmy: There's my station. SCUD: Jimmy yells at the top of his lungs in this auditorium, Granelli. And we all yell, Design. And then everything he every time he paused in his speech, we were like cheering raucously. We're like, yeah, and clapping. And that got like the rest of the audience clapping. So like by the end, everyone's cheering. And then the next keynote speecher speaker came up and it was like golf claps. So so we did our part. We we did our hype man job. Jimmmmmmmy: Well, Okay. Yeah. If it's gonna be screwed, I think that's interesting. Favourite: You Somebody's gotta do it. SCUD: It was fun, actually. Jimmmmmmmy: It was fun. You can you can go back to the like the the YouTube for the Flights and Expo and you know, they're like, up next, you know, good early designs with the F one hundred, you know, and he's up there and literally you can hear the four of us over everything. It was Graywo1f: I was up there at one point and I and I gave gave a a yee haw at some point, but then I had to sneak back town. SCUD: That was your one escape from running the B U. Graywo1f: Yeah. Yes. Jimmmmmmmy: Yeah, gr Grew grey Grey Wolf was grinding the the DC the DCS frontline expo. Literally the first SCUD: All right. Graywo1f: Yeah. That's why I'm looking forward I'm I'm looking forward to to hearing on you guys walk through the the whole show floor because I I had to I had to sneak away to g to try a a Pi Max VR and I had to sneak away to fly the F one hundred for the first time 'cause I was I was saving myself for the expode so that Grinnelli could watch me crash and burn on landing and do the saber dance or something. No I didn't. I didn't crash and burn. FiFi: Yeah. SCUD: Yeah. Did you crash a bird? Graywo1f: But before I landed, the VR crashed, unfortunately, and I'm like, I gotta get back to the booth, darn it. I know, I know. SCUD: that's such a fifi excuse for not having a land. That's such a fifi excuse for. FiFi: that's did I was actually standing right there. I was standing right there because I was hoping to watch him crash and burn and it didn't happen. But like Favourite: So confirmed Fifi can't land. FiFi: I can land, I can land. Anyways, I haven't flown in forever though. SCUD: It's just any time Fifi's like, my computer crashed, if you go back and look at the track files, it was right before he was about to do something stupid. Favourite: Hmm, very suspicious. FiFi: So anyway, so anyways, but SCUD: It's very FiFi: yeah. SCUD: suspicious, very suspicious. Anyhow, so f the expo opens at four, and then we've got the next two and a half days at the expo. So I think what's best is to just kind of start talking about what we saw and what we liked and what we just our impressions of it and kind of get off the chronological stuff and just go through what was awesome. FiFi: First things first. First things first, train sim. We need to talk about Sim Hogger. Those guys were so cool. Just driving trains. SCUD: I was I knew that was gonna be first. That was the first place we stopped and just hung out for hours. Jimmmmmmmy: We went back like three times. SCUD: Dude, we didn't even just Graywo1f: What what was what was it? SCUD: us. We would drag other people like where you gotta come see this. FiFi: Okay, so what it is is these guys, they saw some sort of a sim expo. They didn't realize it was a flight sim expo, so they signed up for it and have a booth. And they make the physical panels for you to like, just like how wind control and everybody makes like, like HOTAS, but they make it for trains. And they're like legit train engineers and they make these panels for trains. They had like one for steam locomotives and then they had one for like diesel electric motors and then they had one for like the actual like... Graywo1f: For trains. FiFi: more modern stuff. And that's what they did. And they were like actual train engineers from like somewhere up in Wisconsin, I think is what it was. And so they were like sitting there and like nobody was like stopping at their booth. And so I stopped because I was like, what's this? This kind of looks cool. And we got like stickers and stuff like that from them. so I was like, what's this? And they're like, well, we didn't realize that this was a flight sim expo. And we're like train guys. And we're like, I'm like, what? Trains? Like, trains and automobiles. Let's do this. And so I think Scott's got the Simhugger, they got the coolest logo. so I was like, so what is it? And they're like, well, we make these panels that you can actually operate the trains on. And it's like a wall that sits next to you. And you can move the brakes and the throttle and all sorts of stuff. And I know Joke sat there for 20 minutes just driving a train. And then I was like, I got to tell everybody else about this. So I went around and started grabbing people, grabbing as many people as I can to drag them over to the. Graywo1f: Yeah. FiFi: So by the end of like Saturday, those guys had like a 30 minute wait for everybody to come on and drive their trains, because it so cool. SCUD: Yeah, it was awesome. I mean, this is a DCS podcast, but we're all gamers, right? Sim gamers. Dude, having sitting and and manipulating controls for a sim train sim was so much fun. FiFi: Yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: One to one. Graywo1f: Yes. Favourite: I'm just FiFi: Yeah, one-to-one controls. Favourite: gonna throw this out there, the Trantism is a different tism than the planes, but it's still there. SCUD: That's the two I got. I got train trains and planes. did you did you go see the train sim favorite? Jimmmmmmmy: absolutely. Friends Graywo1f: Yeah. Favourite: Yeah, anything with a motor Jimmmmmmmy: of flames. Favourite: that moves, really. I went and looked at it, I didn't play with it because the line was too long and I was trying to get as much in as I could in the one day I was there. Jimmmmmmmy: Yeah. FiFi: Yeah, those are the coolest guys out there. Like they were really cool. SCUD: Yeah. Yeah, they were and they like T V said, they all of the products they made were their design off of the real stuff that they use. And then it's all three D printed and then they do all the wiring and circuitry themselves, all the programming. So it was it was dope. FiFi: Yeah, super legit. Graywo1f: So you you guys Favourite: Bravo. Graywo1f: so you guys come down the escalators and you see DCS is updating. What where what did you first hit up after that? SCUD: Train so FiFi: Triton. Yeah, it was Triton. Yeah, that's really what it was. It's true. Strange trains. Jimmmmmmmy: Right to tr straight to trains. Graywo1f: Yeah. FiFi: And then we and we went and dumped all our backpacks off of the Grinelli booth. We're like, Hey, hey, Joe, what's going on? You might have we just throw our shit here. And he's like, I guess. Graywo1f: Yeah, he had a whole he had Favourite: The train seems the only thing that wasn't broken by the updating. Graywo1f: a whole like pilot's lounge. Yeah, that's true. FiFi: Yeah, yeah, yeah SCUD: What was that Grey Wolf? Graywo1f: Cornelli he had a his booth didn't he win best booth? Like yeah. FiFi: The windbust SCUD: Yeah, we need to we need to take a minute and tell we can do it now. We can but we need to talk about the booth. Graywo1f: He he had I mean four DCS rigs and and and you could d complete rigs with wind control setups and I don't remember the seats, were they next level? Jimmmmmmmy: Like Next level next ne it was next level seats, full wing control setups, and then multiple IMAX headsets just getting passed around. Graywo1f: Yeah. Favourite: Just I'm just going to throw this out there, but the live demo team. Come on. SCUD: my gosh. Jimmmmmmmy: awesome. Graywo1f: the air show guys? Yeah. yeah. My homies. SCUD: Yeah. So they would they had the four seats for people to try out the the F one hundred, but then ever a couple times a day they had their their four demo pilots fly a live demonstration, which was remarkable. Favourite: Yeah, dude. was freaking sick. Graywo1f: And then when you crashed Jimmmmmmmy: It was. yeah. Graywo1f: he had like smoke going off. He had a blimp above his his booth. Yeah. And he had Yeah. SCUD: Yep. A light a blimp, a light show, smoke. It was all covered in like camo netting. And then he Jimmmmmmmy: Dirigible. SCUD: had like a lounge. He had like three big leather couches you could sit on around a TV that was playing videos of the hun. And then display cases. And and one display case is an actual F one hundred panel they've recreated out of real parts. And the other display case is full of actual F-100 stuff, like a stick, a a throttle grip, helmet, parachute, radios. Graywo1f: Mm-hmm. SCUD: And then they had another display case with their F-100 painted Ibanez guitar that they're gonna give away. It was a remarkably well, all the way down to little details. Like there's trash cans all around the expo, but they brought their own trash can that was a big 50 gallon drum that said fuel on the side, like it was straight out of Vietnam. Like they they crushed it. Graywo1f: That was so sick. FiFi: Yeah, that was really cool. Yeah, they crushed it. Yeah. And it was funny. It remember at the award ceremony for it. What's his name? One of the Grinelli team members grabbed a blimp and tied it to himself and it was like walking up front to the stage. And Evan, the... And then, and like Evan, the expo creator, he was like... Graywo1f: I'd miss that. Jimmmmmmmy: Dude, you could the whole thing is just going like across the whole hall. Like FiFi: He was like, expo told us, the expo people told us that it's our responsibility to get that down if it floats away. He was not happy with it. So then it emboldened the Grinnelli Designs team to just do more with it at that point. It was so good. Graywo1f: Ha ha Ha ha. That's awesome. SCUD: Favor, did you get to fly the the hun over at their booth? Favourite: No, but I actually, because I didn't come to the expo till Saturday, I got to fly the Hun Friday night at home for a couple hours before I drove down there Saturday morning. Graywo1f: Sure. FiFi: That's fair. Jimmmmmmmy: What was your what was your first thoughts of it? Favourite: I mean, I kind of had some idea of what to expect from watching you guys and a couple other creators videos and just having, you know, general documentary type knowledge, like, you know, not a pound, you know, has done stuff about the hunt. So I kind of knew what I was getting into, but it wasn't actually as bad as I expected. Like I didn't, it tried to kill me, but not as much as I expected going into it from whatever one had said. SCUD: It's it's a dangerous plane, but if you keep it fast it's it's it's not bad. Favourite: Yeah, it'll bite you if you get way out of place, but. SCUD: I thought it was probably the most dangerous plane that I've flown in DCS right up until we ran into Red Star. And the Red Star guy, as soon as he saw us, he was like, he was all about us. And then he convinces wind control to let him install the MiG-17 on another one of their rigs, and then grabs us and he's like, You guys gotta fly it. And now I realize after flying the MiG-17 that the F 100 is nothing. It's so easy to fly compared to the MiG 17. Favourite: Until the MiG-17. Jimmmmmmmy: Mm-hmm. Graywo1f: yeah? FiFi: You Favourite: No! Graywo1f: Yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: Ha ha ha. Favourite: is perfectly docile compared to that thing. FiFi: And the, what's, like, Javad from Red Star is hysterical because he is like the most Soviet dude I've ever met. Like, when we were talking about him, he's like, ah, the F-100, it has leading edge slats, but in Russia, we just do, we just make the wings rounder. It's way cheaper and way better. Much better. Oh yeah, he was... SCUD: I love that guy. He's awesome. Much better. Favourite: M-More wing vents! Graywo1f: He drove across like the entire US to get there. He drove from like LA. FiFi: Yeah, he was sending us updates of him stopping, after everybody left, like we got into like a group chat with him and he was sending us updates of all the places he was stopping on the way back. So he was like, look, it's me and Moab. And we're like, cool. Like it was, he was a hoot. SCUD: Dude, every single one of us that flew the MiG seventeen crashed it. FiFi: Yeah. Yeah. SCUD: Every single one of us that flew it crashed it. It's gonna be so much fun. Favourite: You, me, Biggie, who else got to try it? FiFi: Yeah, that was, I crashed it immediately. SCUD: Biggie only Graywo1f: Jimmy didn't Jimmy didn't crash it? SCUD: got to try it for a few minutes before I ripped him out of the sim. Favourite: I think he got to fly it again after you were done filming. SCUD: Yeah. FiFi: Beat it nerd. Gotta go watch, gotta go find the, know, Yeah, that was what, you know what, speaking of which, so, favorite, when you showed up to the expo, we were sitting outside the, yeah, we were sitting outside the Grinnelli booth and you came walking up and you're staring my badge and me down. I was like, am I about to have to fight somebody? Favourite: That was a great video though. SCUD: Yeah. Favourite: Yeah. SCUD: Yeah, let's talk about meeting favorite. We we we didn't talk about that. Favourite: Yeah. SCUD: I wanna preface this that that though though me and Fifi and Jimmy and Grey Wolf have all seen each other here on screen, we have never met in person before. This is the first time. But we have never seen Favorite. We didn't know what he looked like. I like I wouldn't I would know if Jimmy walked up to me. This guy is a he we don't know what he looks like yet. So when he walks up to, you know, continue Fifi. I want to preface we don't know. FiFi: Yeah, so he walks up, so you walk up and you're like staring at my badge like super close and you like poke me in the badge and you're like, I know you and I'm like, I'm about to have to fight this motherfucker. Like what is going on? And then I look down and I'm like, it's this guy. I wasn't paying attention to that. But yeah, that was pretty funny. Graywo1f: Mm-hmm. Favourite: As I said, I literally had high alpha hooligans on my badge. Jimmmmmmmy: I know, I saw that. Favourite: So first impressions, not expecting Jimmy to be that tall. SCUD: Neither was I. Everyone was exactly how I expected him. And then and then Jimmy, I'm like looking up at him. I'm like, damn, okay, that's a surprise. FiFi: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Favourite: He's like probably about my same height roughly. I'm 6'4". Yeah, so I'm like, okay. I'm not used to people being close to my height. it's... Jimmmmmmmy: Six three. FiFi: Yeah, it was. Jimmmmmmmy: So it was FiFi: Jimmy gives good hugs too. You're a great hugger. Favourite: He does. I got a Jimmy hug before I left on Saturday. Jimmmmmmmy: It's kinda funny. So like when they picked me up, the first thing Scud said to me, he like, he jumps out the car, you know, we dap it up, we hug and Scud goes, Holy shit, dude, you are tall. I'm like, dude, I tell everybody I'm six foot three, like SCUD: Hehehehehe Yeah, but everyone tells everyone they're six foot three. Not everyone is. FiFi: Yeah, my driver's license says I'm six foot. I lied. I lied. yeah, but yeah, what are some other cool things? So again, there was just a lot from Friday. I mean, Friday was kind of short though, like after it opened, like Friday was pretty short. SCUD: Yeah. Some of us short kings have to lie, okay? Jimmmmmmmy: That is a lie. Favourite: bullshit Graywo1f: Yeah. On Friday, yeah. Mm-hmm. Jimmmmmmmy: Friday was it was it was well so Friday was was awesome because everyone got to see all the keynotes, all the you know, gear releases, all the software releases. So everything is like hyped up for hey, all this new stuff is coming out for the flight sim environments, you know, and then you can go downstairs and look at it now. And literally within like ten minutes, the hall went from maybe a hundred and fifty to two hundred exhibitors to Graywo1f: Then we went to dinner. Jimmmmmmmy: two to three thousand people literally just elbow to elbow, like, ooh, FiFi: Yeah. Some of the things that, and some of the things that I, I took away from the other keynotes that now that I'm back from the dogs, like doing all their dog stuff, was Thrustmaster honestly did not impress me that much. Skutt and I kind of had a conversation about it, but like their whole, their whole keynote speech was about them being like, well, we don't really need to innovate anything because we're Thrustmasters. We've been doing it forever. And Jimmmmmmmy: No. That's so I sat through I sat through almost all the keynote like announcements and everything. And yeah, VPU hit that were like right on ahead. Thrustmaster got up and said, We're Thrustmaster because we're Thrustmaster and we're not going to stop being Thrustmaster. And like you look at like the stuff they're hyping, and other companies are so far ahead. And then at the price point, like if you look at stuff, it's I wanted to see more from Thrustmaster because I think Thrustmaster's the OG, but they're being left behind, I think. I think, you know, personal opinion. FiFi: Yeah, and then and then Scott and I looked at each other and like, Scott and I are huge F1 fans. So we quoted the movie Rush and we're like, did Dressmaster just pull like, it's a fadati. SCUD: It's it's shit. You can't say that it's a Ferrari, but it's shit. Jimmmmmmmy: Ha ha ha. SCUD: Like that's that's kinda what it felt like. But it's a thrustmaster. FiFi: But, and the other thing is... Jimmmmmmmy: No, it hold on. We we gotta piggyback on this because Scud and I, I think you were with somebody, you know, walking around, probably, you know, being shown around by wind control, you know, rolling a red carpet. Scud and I were actually over at the Thrustmaster booth and we're like, you know, touching, you know, looking at their new stuff and everything. And you grab the throttle grips on some of their new bases, and it's like literally like loose and like floppy, and it doesn't feel good. Like, I don't want to bash on Thrustmaster. SCUD: Not trying to we're not trying to to to be honest, like we're not trying to shit on Thrustmaster because we've recommended it many times. It's great equipment for the price point. It's just that at an expo where you have competitors that are innovating through you know we'll talk about wind control and what their booth was like here in a minute because it that's that's what we're referencing the comparison. It's just surprising at the expo that that they have new products, but but their keynote speech, like Fifi said, was Jimmmmmmmy: yeah. Favourite: I Jimmmmmmmy: Next and SCUD: We don't really need to innovate because we're just who we are. And it's like, but but your competitors are here and they're being terribly innovative with new technology. It just surprised us. Jimmmmmmmy: Even even even the new entry level gear, like if you look at some of Honeycomb stuff and then you look at PXN, like there's really good stuff out there in that the the honeycomb controller, I freaking love that thing. FiFi: Yeah, PXM. SCUD: So let's let's talk about that because that's one of the things I wanted to ask a favorite about. Because he's he's doing content on flying with with Xbox controllers and keyboards, because that's where he started. Did you get a chance to see the honeycomb Xbox controller that's built for flight sipping? Favourite: So I did see it again, long lines, I didn't actually get to tinker with it, but it does look cool. This literally standard black Xbox controller is what I've been making a video with. The layering you have to do, especially with modern planes and all the sensors and buttons you need to hit, it gets a little intense, but no, it's definitely, I think a step in the right direction, especially for like the Xbox cloud, digging them into flight sim. giving them more realistic controls than just tap the button to increase the throttle. That's not an ideal approach, I don't think. So I think Honeycomb's onto something cool with that. And their other stuff's good too, as far as general aviation things go. SCUD: Yeah. To break down what we what we saw, and we did a little bit on it during Jimmmmmmmy: Well Fifi, can you put a little earmark here and do a a picture of it? SCUD: Yeah, he'll throw a picture in. But we did talk about it during one of our lives from the the ep the expo. But it's an Xbox controller that has the normal four-way and then a joystick, but it also has four sliders in the middle. So four throttles or two throttles and a speed break and a flap lever or prop and mixture. And then between the the the handle grips on the back end, normally where like a cord would come out towards you, there is there's three switches. So gear. FiFi: wait. Jimmmmmmmy: I'm Stamp. FiFi: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm doing it. Jimmmmmmmy: Rudders. SCUD: flaps and something else. And then on the bottom, in addition to the trigger switches that you normally see, on the bottom there were rudder switches that were linked together. So they traveled together. So you've got, in addition to all the extra buttons, you've got throttles and full flight controls in an Xbox controller. It was I was blown away by that. Jimmmmmmmy: yeah, yeah. FiFi: And meanwhile, while all this stuff is going on, Grey Wolf and Nine-Liner are still sweating it out in the trenches over at the wing control booth. Yeah, that was giving him some hell. SCUD: Well at least at least Grey Wolf got his stuff running. Nineline had it took him a long time to get that bus thing up and running. Graywo1f: Updating. SCUD: and let's talk about w PXN. Jimmmmmmmy: XN. FiFi: BXM? That was a surprise. I've never heard of them before. SCUD: So we never heard of them before either. And and I I wouldn't say that the the initial feel of their stuff is anywhere near like a a wind control level of of quality materials. It's it's very plastic. But what blew me away was how much you get for the price. Cause they were selling full full kits for what, $300 ish. No, like it was, it was like it was like Graywo1f: Yeah, wha where are they? How did Like civy panels or like what what what were they? Jimmmmmmmy: Two forty. Two forty. No. SCUD: a yoke and then it was a throttle setup that had four throttle levers on top, covered in switches, a gear handle and all those switches. And it also had the push pull vernier prop throttle mixture built into it as well. So you can fly airliners and general aviation airplanes. And the entire thing was extremely affordable. You were getting a huge bang for the buck with their gear. Graywo1f: No. FiFi: Yeah, it was just really interesting. Jimmmmmmmy: forty. Graywo1f: Nice. Jimmmmmmmy: Yep. And it's it's not like plastic on plastic. They actually have like haul sensors and stuff in there. Like there it is plastic construction, but you get actual like good sensors and a huge array of gliders, hats, switches, and the entry price point super competitive for that entry level stuff. FiFi: Yeah, it was like 200. SCUD: Did you mess with that stuff at all vapor? Favourite: No, I didn't even know that was there. Where was that one hiding? FiFi: That was, that was like. SCUD: There's just on the other side of the wall from wind control. FiFi: from the wind control booth. Yeah. Like. Favourite: Okay, I probably like, I mean, I walked the whole floor. walked circles around that floor the whole time I was there, but. FiFi: Yeah, there was a lot. There was a lot going on. And then the other major Hotass group that we have been touting for a little bit now, like the Moza crowd, super disappointed. And so I got some intel on that. got some intel on that. So Moza actually didn't even send any of their own reps out. The Moza crew was in their Moza Discord, was asking for people to go represent them. SCUD: I am so disappointed. That is my biggest disappo second biggest disappointment. FiFi: just random crowd members like Discord members to go represent them at the at the expo. SCUD: Moza, you could have reached out. You had a whole you had Favourite: Yeah. SCUD: a whole crew there ready to to work for you. I was disappointed. Not now now that I know that, but yeah, we we went over I went over a couple times to talk to Moza because I wanted to introduce who we were, that we're affiliates. They had one sign saying it was Moza, and they had like two and a half products on a table and nobody there. it was a big miss. So Moza, Sim Gaming Expo, which you're probably gonna be there because you guys are at your heart racing hardware company, but Favourite: and could have hit me up. FiFi: Yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: Well, they had all their pits though. SCUD: Step it up. We love your products, but man, what what a disappointing show at Flight Sim Expo for somebody who's trying to break into the Flight Sim market with gear. I was I was really disappointed. FiFi: That was a flop. And then some of the other stuff, some of the other stuff I noticed was there is a lot of peripherals, like, and not in the sense of like gear, but like companies, like software and all sorts of stuff. And like at some point, like after seeing like all the like say intentions AI and like the VATSIM guys, which their booth was a wild party all, all, all weekend long anyways. Yeah. But like, but like I, I started to question a lot of things. Like I started to ask myself like, why isn't a lot of the stuff Graywo1f: yeah. SCUD: We'll talk about that too. Favourite: Yeah. FiFi: built into the games. Like why is there always have to have somebody third party like adding things that I feel like should be built into the game, if that makes sense. So that's just something to think about on that. But let's also talk about, I know, and then meanwhile, like I'm just gonna keep throwing this in here. Meanwhile, Gray Wolf and Nine Line are still in the trenches over there just getting swamped with people. SCUD: There's there's a f Go ahead. FiFi: We can drop it the entire time. SCUD: There's a few things I've listed here that I I want to make sure we don't miss and we'll just keep going going through because these are just some of the the the the cool stuff, the highlights. We got to talk about combat pilots. FiFi: those guys were awesome. SCUD: Those guys were absolutely awesome. They had two sim setups running their software, and we had a lot of questions about that software. What were we all three of us had a chance to fly it. I don't know if you did or not. did you get a chance to see it? Favourite: I did not know again, I signed up. FiFi: We have a live video when we interviewed them. Go check out the live video. We'll mention it here. It was incredible. Like all the stuff that they're doing. Favourite: Yeah, I'll take a look. SCUD: Yes. I think that because a lot of people wanted to know what it's like. I think that where they're at now, there there is a lot of growth ahead of them to compete with the other sims that are out there. But at the same time, where they're at now, if they can capitalize on what they're building right now and get that growth done, it's gonna be awesome. They're they're they had the opportunity to fly a zero, a Hellcat. And the B-17, which is surprising to them and not to me, everyone wanted to fly the B-17. and it's it was fun to fly, it was really cool in VR to sit in the B-17 and fly it. But their intent is to release the game, and then add-ons to the game are included in the cost of the game. So you're not gonna to buy additional airplanes. And then their intent, once they get to a point where they can release, is to release, say, like the B-17. FiFi: Yeah. Graywo1f: Yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: Yeah. yeah, dude. SCUD: as it stands, but you can go fly it. And then they're going to work on recreating every crew position. And every crew position will just be a patch and an update. So eventually their intent is for you to be able to crew a B seventeen with ten people. FiFi: with all your friends. Favourite: I wanna be a waste gunner. FiFi: Yeah. Graywo1f: Mm. Yeah, that'd be cool. SCUD: but they were really cool. And and then we are again go watch the live video and you'll see Fifi's live reaction to it. But as we're interviewing them, Fifi finds out that they were the developers of one of his favorite games. And he went from he went from like asking questions, how about this? How about that to like fangirling over them in a half a second? Like I I the camera wasn't on him, but when they say that game, he lights up. He's like, I know that, I know that, I like, I like that game, I like that game. And like FiFi: You You SCUD: Peefi FiFi: Gates of Graywo1f: Yeah. FiFi: Hell, like Call to Arms, Gates of Hell. that's, yeah, it's a real time strategy game. I'm like a sucker for real time strategy games. So it's a really good game. let's talk about the Wind Control booth. Like we've put it off long enough. We're gonna talk about the Wind Control booth. That booth was fricking insane. Like all the stuff that was going on. SCUD: We have to talk about the wind control booth. Jimmmmmmmy: Hold on, hold on. Hold on. Hold SCUD: So they had Jimmmmmmmy: on. I'm the storyteller. I'm the storyteller. Let me let me get this one. I did. All right. So you gotta understand like the way the expo is set up. You have it's like a multi-story building. It's huge. It's a it's a convention center. the main expo floor is probably the size of two hockey rinks, three hockey rinks. It's it's huge. It's a large square feet. It's like multiple stories tall. Graywo1f: Right at the opener. SCUD: Did you just shush us? Go ahead, you got it, you got it. FiFi: He did. Jimmmmmmmy: So big, big space. And to get there, as like somebody who is visiting, you come down these escalators and you round the corner, and all you see is this massive long hall that's probably like 130 yards long or deep. And right as you enter, all you see is big black and white banners and just simpit, simpit, simpit, simpit, simpit, simpit, simpit. There's like 18 simpits, all wind control. And there is a army of people in wind control t shirts, one to one with every single hit with civilian yoke, with fighters, with prop with everything and everything that they have in their line, all the way from everything. Everything everything from their Ursa minor all the way up to their force feedback yoke system, which is freaking awesome. Graywo1f: An Airbus. FiFi: whole Airbus. Yes. SCUD: Yeah, we'll d we'll get to that. I want to talk about that. Jimmmmmmmy: Is one to one, and there's one person there who knows how to run that one piece of equipment. And you, as like a customer, as a visitor, can walk in and say, I want to touch that. And you literally can fly it on whichever game you want because they had DCS, they had flights in, and they had DCS, of course. And it was a full ecosystem. And their booth was so large and so well done that for for hardware people, for well, for for hardware people. You literally could go to that booth and touch every sim and every piece of equipment that you could imagine and be happy with the entire expo. Graywo1f: And and every product that they had too. FiFi: Yeah, it's true. In every product. And the other funny thing, and the petting zoo, yeah, and the other funny thing was the very first seat that you ran across, like, as soon as you walk in the expo, and then the very first seat that you ran into was Gravel's. Jimmmmmmmy: Every single product. Yep. And they had the petting zoo. Graywo1f: They did. Jimmmmmmmy: Very first. Yep. Graywo1f: Yeah. Yeah, there were I mean there were we we're going through setup and they're like okay and I'm just like which which one do you want my B U build to be put on? And they usher me over right here. right You got it. Okay. FiFi: You Jimmmmmmmy: Number number SCUD: You couldn't you couldn't get off the escalator without bumping into Greywolf. Jimmmmmmmy: one. FiFi: But so you're have to tell us some of your fun experiences and stories from like working the BU booths with control because like you were handing out like keys left and right and all sorts of stuff. Graywo1f: Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna doing some giveaways of the BU. I was doing some patch some patches. God, I didn't even bring my patches, but here's one of them. I was giving giving this patch away. We had had some heat blur patches, we had the Phantom, Phantom patches as well, and the Vigan and and then I had some gray flag patches too, but I didn't I didn't get prepared to have those patches. I f I failed miserably. But but yeah, meeting all of the wind control people was was just awesome and you know kind of FiFi: Yeah. Yeah, all my patches are. Graywo1f: Kinda like like you guys, you know, when you when you you met some some people who enjoy your content. It wa it's a little surreal, you know, 'cause I've never been to an expo like this and I've never really met anyone out in the wild who's like, You're the voice Jester? Like what? Yes, there you go, very nice. FiFi: yeah, they can do this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Favourite: We got you covered, buddy. Jimmmmmmmy: Yeah. Graywo1f: Thank you, thank you. SCUD: Yeah. Graywo1f: And and so when I get when I get there, and and I I meet a few of and they're you know, their their eyes go wide and the the wind control people they're like, Chester, Chester, my gosh. It was it was just surreal. It was like kind of a pinch me moment moment for sure. And and the wind control people were the hospitality of those guys and gals just off the charts and they're so enthusiastic about their company. They're so hard working. And it was just really special to see. Alex, the CEO, was was there and he was jumping right into everything, into the trenches as well, fixing things. I mean they you know we we had some stuff to work out, some kinks to work out. They had their support their their guys, their engineers back home remoting onto these computers. you know, getting stuff dialed in and and and so I get I get you know I get it dialed in and then I this E B eighty two guys this E B eighty two the force feedback a super Taurus or Cyber Taurus it's nuts. It's insane. I mean Jimmmmmmmy: Crazy. SCUD: Yeah. FiFi: You When you first set it up and you were sitting there messing with it and it was jumping the whole sim seat while you were in there, I was like, my God, what is this? Graywo1f: Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I had that Jimmmmmmmy: Dude, cancel cancel cancel butt kicker, cancer, cancel like everything. It's like all you need is an EB eighty two from from wing control and your simpic is complete. Insane. FiFi: You Graywo1f: had that thing turned down to 15. Yeah. I had that thing's turned down to 15%. And so this the stick shake and everything when you're pulling past those 15 units of AOA, it's gonna let you know. But also one of the really cool things it's gonna let you yeah. Also one of the really cool things you you know simulating in a in an aircraft where you lose hydraulics and it's gonna be a little bit difficult. SCUD: yeah. It's gonna let your neighbors know. FiFi: Yeah. Graywo1f: in the real plane to or helicopter or whatever to fight against the hydraulics. Yeah, this thing can do that too. And you're gonna need you're gonna need some Grim Reaper's skill muscles to Yeah. SCUD: So you had Jimmmmmmmy: Ha ha. SCUD: yeah. FiFi: Do that guy that guy SCUD: You had yours turned down. We flew the the Mustang, which had force feedback pedals as well. And Nine Line had it turned down to 60 or 65%. And then Jimmy went and flew it, and Jimmy's like, turn it up to 100 before he gets in to fly it. And then he spawns it in a Mustang at like 300 miles an hour, 350 miles an hour, and he goes to roll to the left and he's like, huh. and he has to like put two hands on it. He's like, I can't even. Graywo1f: Yeah. On nine line setup, yeah. FiFi: Yeah. SCUD: and he's like trying to fight it. And I'm like, yeah, it Graywo1f: Yeah. SCUD: you you you will never need to turn the 82 up to 100. What it gives you is so much overhead that you can dial in the actual feel of the plane. The Mustang, something like 30 pounds of force on the stick to roll at speed. You can you can dial it down to 30 pounds of s of force with massive amounts of overhead. Graywo1f: Mm-hmm. Favourite: That thing was a workout. Graywo1f: It yeah. It's it's they're gonna have to have some disclaimers on that thing and and you know, there's gonna be some some hematomas on some thighs if people aren't careful. FiFi: Yeah. Hehehehehe SCUD: absolutely. I I watched Favourite: You SCUD: it when it when it spawned in, hit somebody in the thigh and and and hurt them. And that's the way it was like in the the T thirty eight sims that I taught and flew in. It's it's force feedback on the stick, but every time the sim operator, like every time they re-slot the airplane or move it, they'll be like feet, knees cleared. You're like, cause that stick will slam around and break your bones. And that's how this thing, yeah, it's it's it was impressive. I wanna talk since we're on the win-wing stuff though, I wanna talk about Graywo1f: right. Yeah. Yeah. You'll you're gonna learn. SCUD: draw in the the discussion with like Thrustmaster compared to the wing control. So they had an in addition to all the sim rigs they had set up, one of them was a two seat A320. And I want to caveat this, that that was at least 60% of the the Flight Sim Expo. Like it was 60% of it was A320 Sims. That's it. A320 Sims and then the other like 40%, 35% was was like general aviation cockpits you can set up. Favourite: There was a lot of cockpits. SCUD: but wind control had a two seat with four speed back sticks, rudder pedals, with some yeah, they had it comes with you why it comes with a real pilot, right? but they had it was full overhead panel and full center panel, but not the the instrument panel. That was still on the screens out in front of them. And that entire setup where you could have a screen in front of you showing the instruments, which they had. Graywo1f: With real pilots. Yeah. SCUD: Then popped out and larger on the side screens. It was a really nice setup. That whole setup was what, a little over two grand? A little over two grand for all of that. Center, center, the whole, the dual flight controls, the overhead panel. And then I talked to Tony about it. And he said that their goal with that 320 sim setup is to finish producing, building, designing the rest of the cockpit so that you can have the instrument panel and the glare shield. Graywo1f: Yeah, like barely over. Yeah. The whole thing. Jimmmmmmmy: Extremely affordable. SCUD: Autopilot panel, which I think that was actually part of it. but their goal was to have an entire two-seat 320 SIM at $4,000, which is unbelievable for win-wing quality, because all of their stuff was super high quality, but to be able to recreate a full two-person A320 cockpit entirely for four grand. There was a, and I don't remember the name of the company, but there was a booth right next door to them. Jimmmmmmmy: It was. Yep. FiFi: Yeah, that was part of it. Favourite: It's crazy. Graywo1f: That's wild. SCUD: That had a full A320 cockpit that was desktop size. So it was a mini overhead panel and a mini center panel and like all four displays, like the whole instrument panel. So you could set the entire cockpit on the desk and have buttons to push. That setup for a desktop setup with without controls, they wanted it was like six or seven grand. And wing controls giving you a their goal is a full size three twenty cockpit for four thousand bucks. Yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: yeah. FiFi: yeah, that one was pretty cool. Yeah, I remember seeing. Jimmmmmmmy: It was a lot. One one to one. FiFi: Yeah, one to one. then flying it was awesome. Sitting in and flying it was awesome. It was so comfortable to sit in and lean back and fly because I had to wait till after, I think it was like Saturday night until after the expo closed to do it because everybody was like lining up to go fly and then Skud's like, you're going to just sit in this thing, you're going to fly it, you're going to appreciate AirBuses for once. And so that's when like wing control decided to do their like pizza and beer party afterwards. SCUD: Mind blowing. FiFi: And then like all the pizza showed up as I was like on final and skills like you get a slice of pizza, if you don't know how to get a slice of pizza yet. He comes running up and he throws a slice of pizza in my lap while I'm on like short final. And then I bounce it off the runway. So that's my that's my excuse. Like I pregnant off the runway. This was a pizza at me. Graywo1f: Ha ha ha. Favourite: You so Fifi still can't land. Got it. SCUD: Yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: Ha ha ha. Graywo1f: And all throughout the time SCUD: Well and Graywo1f: with that with that A three tr A three twenty, they had two real pilots going through like emergency procedures as like demoing like, Hey, you know, you you can do the whole you can do it all. It was really neat. SCUD: I was watching them do that, yeah. FiFi: Yeah. SCUD: It was FiFi: Yeah, because they were programming. They were using the FMS is to program in the emergencies that they want in the failures that they wanted to happen like they were in the FMS is like doing that, which was it was super cool like that was easily one of my favorite things. Was was that H3? I'd like I never thought I was going to say that, but like that was easily one of my favorite things there and the whole expo. SCUD: it was mind blowingly impressive. Jimmmmmmmy: It was SCUD: Well, and I wanna I wanna add a little spice to the story that Fifi's telling. He kept sitting by the 320 sim, telling me how cool it was. He's like, This is the coolest thing I've ever seen. I'm like, fly it. He's like, No. And then there was a moment where nobody was in it. Austin was sitting in the left seat and nobody was in the right seat. And I'm like, Fifi, fly it. And he's No. I'm like, Fifi, this is you've been telling me all day how this is the coolest thing you've seen. Fly it. He's like, Okay, fine. And then he sits in and I and I go to get him a slice of pizza and look around the corner at him and he's like, FiFi: You You SCUD: He's all smiles and giddies like but he didn't want to like I can't do it. I don't want to do it. Yeah, he needed to do it. But c compare this, right? Compare wind controls 320 sim and the desktop 320 SIM. And then on the other side of the arena, there are full 320 cockpits. One of them was actually in a box. Like you actually walk into it and and they had for that huge, huge sim, they had one TV right out in the front. Like one like FiFi: You It was cool. Favourite: partial fuselage. FiFi: Yeah, it was like a 50 inch TV. SCUD: 65 inch TV out front. Yeah, out in front. Like, but we asked them the day before walking by, I'm like, what's something like this cost? And the guy, the guy's like, $150,000. And I remember I turned around, I was like, for $150,000, you could have put more than a 50-inch TV in front of it. So yeah, you could buy a like a a a full cockpit sim for $150,000 or you could build one for four. Graywo1f: God. Jimmmmmmmy: This one. Favourite: Right? FiFi: Yeah. Graywo1f: Nice. And then we go ahead. No, I was gonna say I was gonna I was gonna segue to dinner, but not yet. SCUD: I wanna catch up on so some of the go ahead, go ahead. Jimmmmmmmy: Wn SCUD: we'll we'll get to the digital story. We did talk about that on the Po show show, though. yeah, we need to get the Yeah, the Friday dinner. a few more things about the sim that I wanted to talk to. Dolph was there. They had two Dolph Reality SIM rigs. And if you wanted to sit in and and and try one, you put your name on a list and probably never got to fly it because the list was Jimmmmmmmy: When when when FiFi: the dinners, the dinners were there. Graywo1f: The no, the the Friday dinner w with the author. Yes. Favourite: longest freaking line I never got through. Graywo1f: Really. SCUD: Yeah. so FiFi: Yeah. Yeah, that was Jimmmmmmmy: It was FiFi: pretty. Jimmmmmmmy: I I liked what they did because they had a little QR scan thing and then you put your name and then it it would queue and say, Hey, this is your time slot, come back, you know, so you didn't have to stand in a line. You could virtually queue and then come back at your scheduled time, which was cool. And they had the DOF six and the DOF four, and the DOF four looks pretty good, I think. Favourite: Yeah. I signed up for the queue and then walked away and checked out other stuff and came back to my name no longer being on the list because they cleared out people that weren't there. SCUD: I've heard that from other people too. Jimmmmmmmy: Mm. SCUD: I heard that from other people that if you weren't there at your time, they'd they bumped you off the list. I do want to talk about I do want to talk about Vatsim. Because for everyone that flies Microsoft Flight Sim or X Plane, you probably know VATSIM, live ATC. But and these are people in their houses at their computers controlling various airports or centers. But what they had set up there was Minneapolis. Favourite: My time was after the day ended, so that was on me. Graywo1f: yeah. FiFi: That's in Booth was cool. SCUD: So they had a whole row of TVs and a big monitor showing the tower view. And that those were all tower controllers. And then they had a whole nother wall that was approach and departure and center. And so it looked like you were looking at like the entire air traffic control in one spot. That was really cool to see the controllers handing airplanes off to the next, to the next, and the next and over to tower. they that was a really cool setup. FiFi: Yeah. And then Sharko and Biggie took part of that event and they were flying in. Remember we were joking the entire time about trying to find which controller we need to go pay off to keep sending them around? yeah, that was pretty cool. So there were some other really cool stuff there that I don't think anybody really paid attention to. There was a dude that had all the old school airline records and the models. SCUD: Cancel their landing clearance, go around. Get get Sharko and Biggie blacklisted. FiFi: schedule you really like that that was kind of cool. SCUD: the records were cool. I didn't know that airlines back in the forties and fifties and sixties made their own records. I had no idea. And I'm big on vinyl and got a huge collection of vinyl records. I didn't know that. That was cool. I did avoid that guy like the plague though, because every time I walked over to shop, he kept telling me, You need to sign up for the newsletter and get the magazine. And I was like, okay, I will. And he's like, Do it now on your phone. Get your phone out. I want to see you do it now. Do it now. Sign up right now. I'm like, dude, I'll sign up later. He's like, but you could do it now. So I I I kept my distance. Jimmmmmmmy: Yeah. FiFi: yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: Do it. Do it. Do it now. FiFi: And then there was the crew that was live streaming that 747-300 cockpit. You remember that one? SCUD: I wanna talk about go ahead. yeah, they had an actual seven forty seven SIM and there was a dude live streaming and he was on camera back and forth so you could talk to him while he's flying the legit like a legit seven forty seven sim. Graywo1f: wow. FiFi: Yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: That was cool. Graywo1f: okay. FiFi: Yeah, that was really cool. But we have to, we've also ignored this long enough. We have to talk about whenever we lost Scud for any sort of long period of time, there was one booth that we always knew that we can go look at and find him in. You just listen for the whale song, so Scud, the floor is yours. Like, let's talk about your favorite thing at the expo. SCUD: Mm. Jimmmmmmmy: He just listened for whales. SCUD: All right, yeah, it was my favorite thing. I'll I'll admit it. so Synaptic Solutions is making an A220 for Microsoft Flight Sim. And I've been really, really excited. I've been following them online and looking at the pictures and the screenshots, because that's what I fly. I fly an A two twenty. and it's its systems are rather unique and complex in the way they display on the screens. And so I've been really I was really excited when I found out there was a beefy two. Coming to flight sim. And then I watched the first person fly it that I saw online and immediately was like, Well, that's garbage. I'm never gonna buy it. so I'm really concerned, like, okay, 220's coming out. Is it gonna be right? no, don't worry, we'll hit that. anyway, so I go before the sim expo starts, I go over and talk to them. And these guys are like 19, 20 years old. They're like all young kids. And I explained, hey, I I fly. And Airbros 220. I'm really excited. Can is there any chance I can test it and fly it? And so they plop me down in front of the sim. And they're it was it was funny because they're like, they're like, yeah, it's on the runway. You can go ahead and take off. And I was like, nah, hold on. And then I just start digging like menu and sub menu and then sub sub menu in the systems. And I just start digging. And I think they like that because that's what everyone that showed up and flew it did is they wanted to take off and fly it around. it goes left, it goes right, it goes up, it goes down. And I'm just like, like, I'm digging in. Like I want to see the work you put into it. It was extremely well done. Extremely well done. I did find one or two little errors. And the moment I found those errors, they were like right behind me. Like the team was right behind me with notebooks. Like, what's wrong? Exactly. How does it work? What is it like in the rail airplane? And like before I finished in that sim, they asked me to go to the other computer and fly it. I'm like, but I'm flying it here. And he's like, Yeah, but we already fixed the problem on the other one. So they're extremely eager to get this airplane exactly right. Graywo1f: Nice. What? FiFi: Yeah, they were no joke, like building it and fixing the bugs that Scott was finding on the other computer behind him and then pushing the update across. Yeah. Graywo1f: Holy cow. That's awesome. SCUD: Yeah. Yeah. They were they are eager. And it's I and for those that are familiar with it and waiting on it, because they get a lot of hate because it's taken them they've been working on it for years and years. And it's like, dude, this stuff takes years and years and they're doing it right. So just be patient. Let them get it right. Would you rather have a half assed crappy version or would you rather have a really, really nice, well done version of this airplane? They're doing it really, really well. They're getting it right. FiFi: And they, like, if you do the math on their age, they started doing this project when they were 15 years old. Jimmmmmmmy: Awesome. SCUD: Like, yeah, probably 15, 16, I don't know. They they were the sound, though. I I have to give them props to the sound, which Echo nineteen, who we met there, awesome team there. Graywo1f: wow. FiFi: Yeah. Graywo1f: Mm. FiFi: Yeah, the Echo 19 group. SCUD: But Echo 19 is doing the sounds for the A220, and the A220 has very distinct sound when it throttles up. The whales, the orca. And they have nailed that sound. And they nailed it so well that even when I wasn't at their booth, anywhere I was at, it during the expo. Anytime somebody throttled up that airplane, my hi my neck would snap and I'd be like, Huh? it's the sim. That's a testament to how well the sound was that that every time I heard it, like every time it was unmistakable, my neck would snap up. I'm like, that's the two no, that's the sim. Okay. so extremely well done. Graywo1f: Yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: Mm. Graywo1f: Ha ha. FiFi: Yeah. Really excited to see it. Favourite: Yeah, Biggie and I were at that booth, Biggie was flying the plane and they saw hooligans on our badges and they're like, hey, you guys know that guy who actually flies these, get him back over here, we wanna talk to him again. They were literally begging us to drag you back over there. Jimmmmmmmy: Mm. FiFi: Yeah SCUD: yeah. I guess I'll go I'll guess I'll go talk to him again. No, yeah. Extremely well done by those guys. I was I was I don't want to say the bar was set high, but just h being two twenty pilot, the bar's set high and I was blown away. Like whatever I had expected out of that module was they they knocked that out of the park way better than what I expected. way gooder. So let's talk about PyMax. We cannot forget PyMacs. Thanks for the pimp on that. FiFi: That was, yeah, that was funny. Yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: Way better. FiFi: Yep, the hardest, Jimmmmmmmy: I was saving that one. FiFi: the hardest working guy at the expo and SCUD: my gosh. Yeah, yup. Jimmmmmmmy: He's a one man expo. Graywo1f: Yeah. FiFi: Yeah, how he was running around putting there was no other Well, he saw the fact that there was no other There was there was no other VR people there it was IMAX is the only VR Yeah SCUD: І вас хівопінг з продак ту ебарі. Graywo1f: Yeah, it was cool to see him. Favourite: I was disappointed by that, honestly. Graywo1f: Yeah, he was handing out headsets. He handed out headsets to Grinnelli. FiFi: Yeah, and he was going around and setting. He was putting Pimax in everybody's booths and I don't know where he was storing all those headsets because off we had was. SCUD: Yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: Bro, every time every time Favourite: Don't worry about that. Graywo1f: Magic Jimmmmmmmy: you Graywo1f: hat. Jimmmmmmmy: look at him, he's standing there with a different headset and he's like, Hey, this one, this one, take this one. FiFi: Yeah. Favourite: Man's Graywo1f: He's got Favourite: got a deep prison wallet, all right? Graywo1f: Pappy he's got Pappy Plains bag of magic, but pulling out headsets instead. Jimmmmmmmy: Yes. SCUD: Ha ha ha. Favourite: the bag of holding. FiFi: But, like shout out to Yachtman, he's like as nice as nice can be. Like the nicest guy. Yeah. SCUD: That what a cool dude. my gosh. And he every time we were doing a live, no matter where it was, let's go do a live over at this place. Let's do it. Almost every time we were doing live, somehow Yap like would wander into the camera and be like and then walk away. Graywo1f: Ha ha Jimmmmmmmy: There there's really there FiFi: Because he was everywhere. Jimmmmmmmy: there's two brands I think that really won like when it comes to hardware. There's two brands that won the expo that is Wind Control and PyMax. Like those two companies dominated the experience because you literally went up to touch anything, and there's something from one of those two companies on every single booth. Everybody uses it and the quality Favourite: Yup. Agreed. SCUD: Fans down. Jimmmmmmmy: I I don't even know. Like it was it was it was good. SCUD: It was. yeah, Yap was Yap was amazing. We just Grey Wolf just mentioned Poppy Plains. We made a lot of contacts there. Poppy Plains was one of them. We just did an episode with him. The la the last episode is an interview with Poppy Plains. If you're not familiar, this is the guy that's building a Hornet cockpit out of real Hornet parts. So go back and watch that episode, please. and I also want to to talk about just briefly, we also got to chance to meet, hang out with Tab's original. And if you're not familiar with him, go look him up on YouTube. In the moment you see his content, you'll be like, yep, I'm familiar with this guy. Graywo1f: Mm-hmm. You meet a lot of people there. Yeah, he was there. SCUD: He's all over he's extremely funny. And we FiFi: He's, he's a funny, he's a funny dude. He was. Yeah. Graywo1f: Super cool dude. One of my biggest frustrations when with running the the the DCS booth with the Tomcat BU was I'd get someone to come up and try it out. And I'd try to do a little small talk like and I'm just rapping rapid firing people through there to an extent, right? And I'm sounding like a broken record, you know, because if you spawned in the air, you you're FiFi: Yeah, you were. Graywo1f: You said it, you're set at takeoff trim. So I'm like broken record, like, yeah, you're on takeoff trim. You got to hold down trim forward. You'll feel the force feedback, blah, blah, blah. You know, just broken record. So I'm getting getting people in there. But trying to find out some of these people, like, no one would tell me who they were. And it just, I'm like, I would have loved to know some of these people and and and who they were. And like I'm seeing I see like on random discords, like, yeah, I got to try the B U. And I'm like, why didn't you tell me? SCUD: Yeah. Graywo1f: who you were. And so like Tabs, he didn't tell me who he was and I'm like, You you you little rapscallion. That'd have been SCUD: Ha ha. FiFi: Yeah. It's true. Graywo1f: But he's super chill. It was awesome. FiFi: Super cool guy. Jimmmmmmmy: Awesome. Awesome dude. SCUD: I yeah, he is he was super awesome. I do want to get to to dinner, but I do want to before we leave the expo and do the to dinner, I want to talk about the the some of the stuff we didn't talk about that we didn't like, or maybe just re-hit on it. We talked about Moses' show. I was really disappointed that the DCS was so poorly represented there. Grnelli and and Heapler and Nineline. it FiFi: Well, wouldn't say poorly represented. I would say that it was underrepresented. But at the same time, though, like... SCUD: Thank you. Better better way to say it. Better better way to say it. Not poorly. It was very well represented by the few people that were there. FiFi: Yeah, Favourite: DCS is a really small part of the flight sim community though, all things considered. FiFi: Yeah, but again, like we we talked to a bunch of people before the expo and in the months leading up to it and they were talking big game about showing up and they're like we're gonna have boots we're gonna do all sorts of stuff and then Nothing absolutely nothing and it's just it's it's I don't know they the DCS like people who like enjoy flight sims like Jimmmmmmmy: Yeah. SCUD: Well FiFi: Everybody who was there had stopped by either the wing control booth and flown the BU and the Mustang, or they went and sat down at the F-100 thing and flew the F-100 and every single one of those flights in people. then there was like, there's people buying the Grinelli shirts, like left and right. Like he actually sold out of all his shirts. Like, yeah, Jimmy's got one of them on. there was flights in players who are like, I didn't realize that DCS was this awesome. And there were people who were Graywo1f: Nice. FiFi: going out and going home and buying DCS because of the experiences they had with the people that were there representing it. like huge shout out to you, gray wolf, to nine line, to the Grinnelli team for like representing the community so well and skill from the grim reapers. Yeah. Like, like everybody's shown up and everybody who was there, like representing the community so well because Jimmmmmmmy: Skill. Skill skill from Grim Reaper. Yeah. SCUD: I second that. hats off to those that were there representing it. I wish there was a lot more. The other thing I want to talk about with the representation there was my disappointment outside of the vendor selling stuff. everything, everything was a general aviation cockpit setup or an A320. There was like one group that had 737 parts that are probably outrageously expensive because they're all metal and made one-to-one, one booth. FiFi: Yep. That was it. Dude, that kid had the best sales pitch ever when he stashed the microphone from us. SCUD: He did. So outside of that group, in the general aviation side, it was all GA cockpit setups and A three twenties. There was not a single rotor wing setup or rotor wing vendor anywhere in the building. I was really hoping to see some cool like rotor wing control setups and helicopter stuff. Completely nothing blew me away. FiFi: Nothing. Yeah. Favourite: Any kind of cool collective would have been just a showstopper for anyone who flies Rotarwing stuff. SCUD: Absolutely it would have. so that was that was one of the things was to pointing. the other thing, and I'm gonna call out Flight Sim Expo right away on this, just like, you know, we can do the wink wink at the camera and say, Hey, you can you can you can reach out to us. But it was a great event. We went through all of the work and all the process to do what we needed to do to be your media partners. And we were told there's like a media rest area that's Jimmmmmmmy: Yes, really. yeah. SCUD: Got refreshments and it wasn't. It was it was a media interview booth that one day for about an hour or two had donuts. That's it. and then that whole that booth, that media booth where you could do interviews had a giant banner, had a giant banner with every media partner's logo on it, except one. No high alpha hooligans logo anywhere on it, even though we sent the logos. So I don't know what fell through the cracks, but we felt very under underrepresented. FiFi: Are you talking about the media booth that? yeah. Favourite: little glassed off penalty box off to the side. Hmm. FiFi: So we ended up going up there and zapping it. We put a big sticker right in the middle of it. And every time they ripped it down, we went and put a new one up. So right there in the middle behind everybody's heads. SCUD: Yep, we zapped it. Grey Wolf, you wanna talk about the dinner? FiFi: The dinners, like there was multiple nights. Graywo1f: Yeah. Fr Friday Friday night, the the dinners. Yeah, there are a few. Jimmmmmmmy: Hold on. Let me Graywo1f: yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: I w I wanna hit one quick wrap up. Things that we are impressed with. EXN, the Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. SCUD: Well I was I'm gonna come back later and do our favorites. I wanna come back and later and do the favorites before we Graywo1f: yeah, Friday Friday night things wrapped up. It was a it was a good first day. And Rob Grady came and found us. he's from Authentic Media. If you've heard of the the Fighter Pilot Podcast, he he has a lot to do with that. And he has a lot of other podcast happenings as well. good dude, and it was great to meet him. And he had with him a a a friend of his by the name of Rob Z Manzettel. FiFi: you Graywo1f: And so we all went out to dinner, Nine Line, Rob Grady and and Rob Zettel and who else who else was there? FiFi: It was the big 17 guy who read the, uh, what's the name from Red Slur? Yep. Jimmmmmmmy: Red red star. Graywo1f: Yes. Yeah, Red Star. and Biggie was there. Yeah, Vad and Vader was there as well. And so we went and we found we found just a little hole in the wall, barbecue kind of American Eats and and and just had a great time and and heard all kinds of story. If you don't know who Rob Z Man Zettel is, is he's got a book out and he would be ha he would be an amazing guy to have on the podcast, American Mig Pile. Jimmmmmmmy: Then Vad Vader and Biggie. Yep. Yep. Might might be SCUD: Absolutely would. Jimmmmmmmy: might be coming soon. Graywo1f: Yeah, so he he had a lot of amazing, amazing stories to to tell flying flying MiG twenty ones and MiG twenty threes against against, you know, US Air Force or y you know, U the US military to you know, to train against him. and at one point, yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: Dude, I could As a blue su as a blue suitor, as a blue suit airman, red, white, and blue, you know, magically US government were like, hey, we got some MIGs. You know, Cold War. We got yours. But like the stories dude, the stories he was telling though, like, my jaw was just on the floor, just like listening to this dude talk about flying a red air against our own our own airframes, and then listening to his stories from like beginning of SCUD: Ha ha ha. FiFi: Yeah, it's a cool story. Graywo1f: Mm-hmm. FiFi: So yeah. Favourite: at the red Graywo1f: Yeah. Favourite: eagles? Graywo1f: It's like mid eighties. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Jimmmmmmmy: World War, I Iraq won. Yeah. When his stories from like nineties were freaking awesome when he was back in the Eagle, like FiFi: Yeah, that was. SCUD: I watched an interview with him recently. and there was a I'm not trying to steal content from that other interview, it's just worth mentioning because it was funny. The interview I saw that the guy asked him if if somebody were to rebuild and recreate a Big 23 now, what things would you want them to change or improve or make different? And Z-Man just he just laughed and he's like, Why bother? Just don't. He was just shit talking the way the Big 23 is, but he's like, There don't, just just don't. Graywo1f: nice. Favourite: Hehehehehe FiFi: You SCUD: Don't even do it. Graywo1f: That thing was fast. I mean the stories of him telling about how fast that MiG twenty three was was pretty cool. FiFi: Yeah, yeah, they were cool. That was really cool. then shout out to Rob Grady for buying for like picking up the tab at dinner on that one. He he Jimmmmmmmy: One thing one thing that I don't think carried over, like that we didn't grasp until we actually sat down and talked with him was the passion that he has for DCS and the community itself. Because he has really high expectations of what the community deserves and what the community should do for each other. I think is like almost like a benchmark for how you should look at running like any group in Discord. FiFi: Yeah. SCUD: Mm-hmm. FiFi: Yeah, Authentic Media is the company that he runs and he has like a lot of really cool ideas and I think we're gonna start trying to... Yeah, he's got a lot of really cool ideas coming. SCUD: Yeah. He's passionate. Jimmmmmmmy: my gosh. Dude. I think we we talked with him like maybe hour, hour and a half, and it was just idea after idea after idea. And it was it is fantastic. Like it would be awesome for the community to get even just a a small drop in a bucket of what he has in his brain. FiFi: Yeah, agreed. So that was the big super secret content creator meeting with ED that we all had. That was the super big content creator meeting. Yeah. Was just swapping stories over beer. SCUD: Yeah. continue. Graywo1f: Yeah, and then and it Yeah. that that was it? Yeah. SCUD: Apparently. Graywo1f: It was it was cool. It was cool to see it was cool to see Rob Z man and and and meet and meet Rob Grady and and then he stopped he stopped Yeah, he stopped by the next day and gave me a cool God, I'm failing miserably here. Give me a cool signed copy of his book. FiFi: Yeah, that was really cool. And yeah, great. Well, if we get a cool signed book out of it. That's awesome. Dude, that's so cool. Graywo1f: I mean, I can't wait to read it. But yeah, I'd I had seen a few interviews with him before before meeting him. like even years ago and I'm like I know that name and then I re remembered and it was I wa I was just blown away. It was cool. FiFi: Yeah, that was really. So let's. SCUD: Yeah. It's a it's a rare and unique opportunity to sit down and listen to somebody like that just start pouring stories out. FiFi: Let's let's let's talk about some of the other dinners unless we're saving that for the post show. Graywo1f: Yeah. SCUD: We talked about the other dinner at the post show. We talked about yeah, good if you wanna know the story that we're all laughing about, join the Patreon, watch the post show show from the last episode. Jimmmmmmmy: It's no no, it's there's a short it's a short already. It's there's a short on YouTube about it. FiFi: Yeah, SCUD: Okay. Yeah. FiFi: I made a short of it as well, I just had to. Graywo1f: Yeah. SCUD: do you guys wanna you guys wanna talk about favorite parts? FiFi: Yeah, favorite things, go run the horn. Favourite: Okay. SCUD: Grey Wolf? Gre let's go with Grey Wolf because he's he he didn't get to see almost anything of the expo. FiFi: Jimmy, we've been cutting you off all night, yeah. Working. Grey Wolf became intimately familiar with that water fountain, going over to refill his water bottle a lot. Graywo1f: Yeah, it's just just my god, dude. Each morning I was like, Am I gonna have a voice? I mean, I sounded like horse berry white levels of and and I'm like FiFi: Yeah. Favourite: You should have just recorded it and played it back because it was the same spiel every time. FiFi: It just... Graywo1f: I know it it kinda SCUD: Yeah. Graywo1f: was, yeah. And then well it was I mean, it was really awesome to I modified the mission that we did a little bit. I put I made some carrier starts and and and especially when I started giving away Tomcat Ultimate keys. you know, the first person to damage a an F I'm I'm sorry, not an F a MiG twenty eight. First person to damage a MiG twenty eight. gave away a key, first person to shoot it down with guns, first person to shoot it down with with you you know, with aim nines, first person to make a carrier landing. Blue Games was there. that was pretty cool. there's a you know, a bunch of different content content creators there. and it was just the whole experience of of of being able to help represent DCS, be there with nine line, Great guy. I can't wait. I mean I i I'd be s just so lucky and blessed to do it, have the opportunity to do it again. Need to get my freaking passport renewed, that's for sure. but just just to be there to cause I have you know one piece of of wind control at at home is the F sixteen ICP, which I frickin' love. And you know, my my setup is just a complete hodgepodge of just all sorts of different things. but Jimmmmmmmy: Okay. Graywo1f: getting hands on with all the wind control stuff at the booth and just meeting all the wind control people and just how enthusiastic they were about their product and company. they got a new factory that they built and that they are filling out. And Alex, the CEO, is showing me pictures of that. being as well as in some some meetings with with them and nine line about some products they want to do. so stay tuned for for new products in the future. Jimmmmmmmy: Yeah, I think just happened. Yeah, that seems really basically the exercise. Graywo1f: you know, some really cool stuff and they're really into it and they and they I think they're really gonna be I think they already have cornered the market on on a lot of this stuff as well. You know, you got the military side and the civil side and it's obtainable and but yet they also have some premium stuff with this whole cyber tourist force feedback. I mean if you want the cat's meow of of force feedback, they are SCUD: I would agree. Graywo1f: Very determined to get it right, fine tuning the software and get it right. SCUD: So wind control. Wind control. We we we happen to be really close friends with Fifi. So if you want to you want to hook us up with some some cyber torches, just saying. FiFi: You don't have to do that with wing control. Oh my God. Oh my God. Graywo1f: Ha Favourite: Hehehehehe Jimmmmmmmy: Yeah. FiFi: So the other thing, yeah, please don't send that to my house. So the other thing that I wanted to mention about Wing Control, the other thing I wanted to mention about Wing Control, they grew with it, was them talking about how they're buying up a bunch of warehouses so they can fill the warehouses and have stock. So nobody has to wait more than a couple of days for their stuff. And they're gonna be eliminating, their goal is to eliminate pre-order anything. Like as soon as it's launched, they wanna be able to immediately ship your stuff and have it to you like within three days of launch. Jimmmmmmmy: Send it to mine. SCUD: Yeah. Graywo1f: Yeah, I think I mean they got they're getting a hug of death of or the you know, the the the love just getting hugged so much for for for their products. So it's cool. FiFi: So anywhere in the world. Yeah. So there's some really cool takeaways from them. Graywo1f: But yeah, just just yeah, just the whole the whole experience and and and jumping in, being there with you guys, being able to showcase the BU and be on a little be on a few videos for for different content creators. That was that was just surreal. It was awesome. SCUD: Favorite. sorry. FiFi: Yeah. Yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: So I have a question for you. How cool was it to sit there, represent DCS, and have people jump into the the pit and people like realize the level of fidelity and like what DCS is like Graywo1f: yeah. That yeah, I mean that was really cool. the what people were certainly blown away with, because a lot of people hadn't tried the force feedback, you know, yet. And when when they feel the trim, you know, and they feel the stick hold it there and they're you see their eyes light up a little bit of like, okay, like this is what it's like. This is what this is what a force feedback stick can dr can can really do. And then when they putting it through the paces. They're getting that feedback and they're feeling the d the different forces. getting the getting the crap rocked out of the first day and a half. I did I did have to turn it down a little bit. And and I I do have to apologize a little bit to to to I I felt like I needed to apologize to to wind control a little bit because you know, I kinda snuck in there and I I turned it up a little bit on on s on you know, on certain certain times. I turned it up a little bit. And then and then FiFi: You SCUD: Yeah. Graywo1f: there was there's a little bit of a of a bug in DCS, not anything to do with wind control. And on and we're trying to recreate it and and get it fixed of and it happens across all force feedback where in certain certain instances when like let's say you crash your jet and you recover, you don't like quit out, you just recover. Well, before you hit fly again, like when you get back in the cockpit, and before you hit fly, for some reason. Force feedback just sti just shakes like crazy. because it's like the last known parameter it had, you know, and s t yeah, the telemetry. And when you hit fly, it's it instantly fixes its fixes itself. But because I had the force feedback turned up so high, it was kind of shaking like crazy and and the Chinese community, I guess, was absolutely just cur trying to curb stomp wind control about it. So Jimmmmmmmy: Telemetry gets like stuck. Favourite: Telemetry error, yeah. FiFi: You Graywo1f: I I I with with Max, I got with Max and I did a little bit of a video and I showed the bug and I was like, Hey, we're you know, this is not a wind control thing. so so cool your jets a little bit. And so he was like at the end of the video he was like, Thank you, Chester, thank you and it was it was funny. But yeah, it was great. FiFi: man, favorite. SCUD: Favorite, do you wanna tell us what your favorite part was? Favourite: Yeah, sure. I'll start off with the things I really enjoyed. First of all, this was the first convention of any kind I've ever been to in my 41, almost 42 years on this earth. So that alone was super cool. And then getting to meet you guys and a few other people from the community was amazing. And again, the beautiful part for me is that I only live two hours away from St. Paul, give or take. I'm in Western Wisconsin, so it's literally... drop down the highway, drive over there, drop off my wife and kids at the mall and literally straight up to the convention center. And yeah, I mean, as far as favorite things, you know, obviously the wind control booth and I have never tried force feedback stuff before racing stuff, anything other than, you know, arcade cheap crap that they have there and getting to try that stuff out, getting to try the BU and flying it on the Mustang. That was definitely an experience I will not soon forget and it made me want to get Forest feedback. You know, when I can afford it. SCUD: It's an investment. Favourite: Yeah, yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: It's worth it. SCUD: It's hard to explain. It's hard to explain. It's like trying to tell somebody who's only ever seen a cathode ray T V what high dev T V looks like. It you know. Graywo1f: It's like going from flat panel to to to track IR. SCUD: It's yeah, until you try it, you just can't really appreciate it. Favourite: Yeah. Yeah. Graywo1f: Say. Favourite: When I knew you can see behind me, the box right there. That's my, my T flight HOTAS that I started on flight sim with, you know, four or five years ago. And I finally upgraded to the wind control Orion like eight months ago. And it's, it's been fantastic. I, I actually sold that, that HOTAS and a few other old gaming things and got my first VR headset. So I, I. FiFi: such a good, such a good setup. Favourite: stepped up from playing flat screen, nothing on a cheap plastic hotasse to full metal wind control stuff in a VR and it's a whole different world. I was... I'll save my disappointments for when we get to that segment, but yeah, the wind control booth was amazing. Jimmmmmmmy: So my number one thing is not necessarily a booth or like a vendor, but it's like something that people gravitate to and that's passion. And there was some people there who just have a passion for what they do and it shows through in their product, whether it's hardware, software, like Grinnelli with the F one hundred. Like his passion for that jet and his project was beyond. Like amazing to see come to fruition with the launch there. Like I'm I'm a huge Heat Blur fanboy. Any ever I own all the modules. I've bought them three, four times because my friends are like, I don't have the talk yet. you do now, buddy. You know, but but and I I think Grinnelli Designs and Heatler stand on a island of their own outside of you know Eagle Dynamics because they have passion for their product, you know, and it shows through in that final product. same thing with wind control. SCUD: Yeah. FiFi: Yeah Jimmmmmmmy: And Pimax, when you have a passion for something, it shows through because the level of investment that you put into that they put into their hardware to make sure it's done correctly is absolutely next level. And just as a note, we need to go back and, you know, talk about FPP's first experience in VR, you know. but but I wanna SCUD: yeah. We did not talk about Fifi's first experience in VR. FiFi: I thought I thought we were I thought we were gonna be able to skip over that. I have been like SCUD: We can do it po we can do it the Po show. We can do it the Po show. Jimmmmmmmy: So I I think passion kind of shows through because there's some vendors there who are like this is what we do. And then there's other vendors and other developers who are like, this is where we invest ourselves into. And it it's it's extremely easy to see because we've been saying those names all night with who has the passion to create that product. FiFi: Well, well said, well said. Jimmmmmmmy: It's it w it was awesome to see firsthand. So Good. Your turn. SCUD: I feel bad we didn't talk about Fifi's first experience in VR, but I think yeah, we'll we'll have to we'll have to do that in the post show. He's so he FiFi: No, that's okay. We're good. We're good. We're good. Thank you. Jimmmmmmmy: No, no, no, no, no. No, we're gonna do that l we gotta do that live because that's something everybody needs to hear about because I think SCUD: All right. you an abbreviated abbreviated story there. and then I'll and then I'll answer the question. So we we mentioned to Yop, all three of us who sanded there, and and we mentioned to Yop Fifi's never tried VR before. And that dude lit up. Like he lit up with excitement. He ran over to the Microsoft Flight Sim booth. And then he FiFi: Hehehehehe Like their little air racing setup. Jimmmmmmmy: Red Bull Racing. The Red Bull Racing. SCUD: Yeah, he ran over there where there's a Pimax Dream Air. And he I don't know what he did because there's a line of people that need to fly that thing. And and suddenly the line has been moved away and it's like like he pulls some strings and it's it's it's Fifi time. It's it's Fifi time. And so we get Fifi into the VR and and there's a little there's a little FiFi: So, before you do that, I was fighting against it. I did not want to do it because I'm like, no, I don't really feel like doing it. And then Yop, like puppy dog eyed me. Like he looks so heartbroken and sad. And he's like, but won't you try it please for me? And I was like, you guys all suck. SCUD: Of course you were. Favourite: You SCUD: yeah, he did. Jimmmmmmmy: Okay. SCUD: You flew for what? How how what was your time on the track? Minute twenty-eight? FiFi: my. Yeah, I think it was like a mid 28 or something like that. my light died. SCUD: So he was in VR for a minute and 28 seconds and pops the headset off and he's like, Okay, I get it. I I get it. I see what you guys mean. And then and then later, when he was flying something else, we he flew some other sim later. And the moment he sat down on it, he was like, flat panel, this sucks. Where's the VR? FiFi: Yeah You Graywo1f: It arrives tomorrow. SCUD: A minute and a half. A minute and a half and and and and Phoebe was sold. Jimmmmmmmy: What I'm What is so so for the flat panel to VR, like what was the level of immersion that you instantly like gained? FiFi: So unfortunately I did it in Microsoft Flight Simulator, which is not the greatest in VR. Like Microsoft Flight Simulator is, but. Jimmmmmmmy: No, we'll just not talk about that. But like I'm talking like connection to the to the plane, to the track, to flying like the experience. FiFi: I hate to say it, like, okay, I could see, like having played DCS for so many years, I can understand, like with the fidelity of DCS modules, the immersion would be right there. Unfortunately, again, because it was a Microsoft Flight Simulator thing, it wasn't that great because it was a game limitation, but it was still much better than flying fat panel because... There's a live video of it where Jimmy gets right in my face while I'm doing it. My mouth is hanging open and I'm looking straight up as I'm pulling through some turns and stuff like that. But I could say that I did really honestly feel like I was back in an airplane again flying. And I think the biggest telltale of it was the fact that it was the first and only time Scott had actually ever complimented my flying. Favourite: Hehehehehe Graywo1f: Mm-hmm. FiFi: Like that is a core memory that's forever burned. That's forever burned in my memory. was like, my God, Pee-pee's actually doing really good right now. it's a core memory moment right there. So yeah, it's there. And I would say that I could care less about the immersion, but I feel like the accuracy of being of Graywo1f: Ha SCUD: I got Scud's approval finally. Jimmmmmmmy: And you didn't crash. FiFi: Feeling like it's it I guess it is the immersion of being able to feel the aircraft around you because as humans were visual creatures so being able to to be in the aircraft versus staring at a screen of the aircraft is Is a wholly different experience and I get it. It's fine. So wink wink if there's any of you software computer hardware people out there I need to upgrade my system to Get on VR. So wink wink if you guys want some Favourite: Heh heh. Graywo1f: Mm-hmm. SCUD: Do you hear this? Fifi is adamantly against sending him stuff, and here he is asking for stuff. That's what VR did. FiFi: Some stuff. Here I am. Jimmmmmmmy: I th I I think if I could if I could borrow your words, I think flat panel, you know, nothing wrong with it. You know, everybody starts somewhere, but flat panel is the game. And then when you go into VR, that's simulation. Favourite: It is a huge immersion difference for sure. FiFi: Yeah, so there you go. You got it out of me. SCUD: While while you've got the the floor, w what were your favorites? FiFi: honestly, of everything, it was just the people. Like, meeting everybody and hanging out with everybody. And then, it felt like it honestly felt like this weird high school reunion of seeing all your best friends again. Like, it just, it was great. Like, it was just seeing everybody and hanging out with everybody. And then, like, you know, all those super late nights where we're all sitting in Discord and chit chatting and giving each other shit and flying around and stuff like that. Like, it was no different. We were just able to do it in person. And that was just like the coolest thing. And then arguing with each other over who was going to buy lunch at the little restaurant upstairs. It's just like those little things like that. By the way, that little thing, that little restaurant was really good. But yeah, it's just little stuff like that. then meeting all the people in the community that are Graywo1f: Yeah. SCUD: In Yeah, it was. Intangibles. Jimmmmmmmy: Slapped. Graywo1f: It was. FiFi: by the numbers, you know, pretty uber famous, but aren't like the super uber famous content creators that were not there, but the real kind of blood and guts content creators in DCS that really hold it up together. And then being able to sit at a table with, you know, Nine Line and Grey Wolf and then our guys and then Tabs and then Poppy and like just sit there and just swap stories and talk to each other and realize where like the real heart of DCS is. And it's with those guys. And that's one of my favorite things. And the shenanigans that we all got into at the same time, like Scud sticking a sticker of the high alpha hooligans sticker on the window of the restaurant. I wonder if it's still there. We got to send Biggie back there to see if it's still there. And stuff like that. So that was easily my favorite part, is just the people and just being there with everyone. SCUD: Yeah. I was gonna say the same. Obviously, I think the 220 was as far as the the toys I got played with was my favorite, but it was gonna say the exact same. It it was meeting the people. It was meeting you guys, Grey Wolf for the first time ever. It was meeting favorite and Biggie and Vader and continuing to build friendships with the people we've already started working with, like Yop and meeting Gavad and Z-Man. It was it was that. It was the community part of it was my favorite. And Meeting somebody like Nineline, which is which leads me to my absolute favorite part, which was watching Nineline shit on Fifi every chance he got for three days straight. It was so good. It was so it was it was it was Graywo1f: Ha Jimmmmmmmy: Without without hesitation, without reserve. it was amazing because Beefy's just like this like lovable punching bag and like nine line just he takes that love to a whole new level. FiFi: my God. SCUD: It was all jovial, but it was always without hesitation, without tripping. The d the dude had 'cause he he he re he corresponds with us almost exclusively in memes. And those memes are usually making fun of Fifi. And so we were like laughing that you can't just make fun of Fifi with memes. And he was like, I don't need memes. I've got I've got a whole brain full of things I can say. FiFi: You He's. But then it But then at one point in time, there's something that we said or something like that and he held up the phone and it was just a meme on the phone. He has his help with the phone to us. Favourite: Just insert Stig memes, some say no one has ever seen Fifi land a plane. FiFi: man. Jimmmmmmmy: Yeah. SCUD: Ha ha. All right. you wanna set us out there? well first off, favorite, is there anything that you wanted to say that that that we did not that we did not address? We always wanna give the the guests like the last word. Graywo1f: Well what's your yeah, you you already told your favorite, yeah. Jimmmmmmmy: Cool, we gotta ask him the question also. SCUD: go ahead. Jimmmmmmmy: Piffy, you wanna teat up so nobody cheats? FiFi: Yes, between the two aircraft, who would win in a dogfight? I'm Cruz as Ethan Hunt in the venerable Mustang or Sean Connery as James Bond in the Spitfire. Let me down. Don't. Don't let me down. Jimmmmmmmy: Tension it the tension is palpable. Favourite: Yeah, wow. First of all, wrong character for Tom Cruise, obviously. FiFi: But it's Ethan Hunt from Mission Impossible. SCUD: That's that's the question. It's the way it is. FiFi: That's the point, yeah, that's the point of the question. Favourite: Yeah, but then he's not maverick, so does he even know how to fly? Probably a little bit, but not to the top gun level. FiFi: You know where this is going now. Jimmmmmmmy: He knows how to run. Favourite: Yeah, he's just gonna run and jump and climb on stuff. I mean, I'm a long time Connery Bond fan, so I'm gonna go with Sean Connery. FiFi: I'm done. I give up. SCUD: Good answer. Here here Favourite: Hahaha! SCUD: here how about how about we just amend it to go Sean Connery would win, and after he shoots Ethan Hunt down, Ethan Hunt grabs onto the side of the Spitfire and then just hangs on it all the way back home. Favourite: He's not gonna die. FiFi: And is bailed out by Ving Rhames. With his little gold hearing. SCUD: Ha ha ha. yeah, the floor is yours, favorite. If there's anything and if not, that's fine too. But we'd like to give you the last word. Favourite: no, mean, I don't have a lot. Like I said, this was my first expo, so it was just a lot to take in in general. It was fantastic getting to get up there and see all of the super cool new hardware. It was equally as fantastic to get up there and meet you guys and a few other guys from the community. I will say, like we have mentioned, I was a little disappointed in the lack of VR representation and helicopter representation, but the other stuff that was there kind of made up for it. So yeah, I mean, I don't have a whole lot to add. I had fun. This has been fantastic. And thanks for having me on the show, guys. Graywo1f: Yeah, thanks for coming. SCUD: Yeah, thanks for being on the show. Thanks for joining our team as a as one of our our streamers as well. It's it's awesome to have you on board. Favourite: Yeah. FiFi: Yeah. And, and also an idea giver behind the scenes. Like, yeah. SCUD: Abs yeah. Favourite: Hey! Happy to contribute. Like I said, this DCS community and you guys have been fantastic, so thanks for bringing me in and letting me be a part of it. Jimmmmmmmy: Thank you. SCUD: Yeah. I'd I'd thank Greywolf for being here too, but I mean he's got a permanent seat now, so it just becomes pointless thanking him. Jimmy, are you gonna set us out with that advice? FiFi: Yeah, he's he's just opening ones. Jimmmmmmmy: This dude's just a a Yeah. so dad advice in public places, make sure you wash your hands, stay polite, and bring your best gear to a show. That's your that's your dad advice. Favourite: Hmm SCUD: Yeah. FiFi: That's it. Well, I want to send this out this time. So with that everybody, thanks. We're gonna go film the post show now after an hour and 43 minutes here on this episode. Yeah, this is one of longest episodes. I might, yeah. SCUD: Longest episode we've done, I think. Graywo1f: Is it really? I think Iron Mike was maybe the longest. Jimmmmmmmy: Wag no, Iron Mike. Yeah, we crossed two and a half hours with Iron Mike, I think. SCUD: we did. Holy cow. Never mind. FiFi: Yeah, that's true. Yeah. So anyways, with that, everybody, thanks for watching for all of us here in the community and everybody out there. We love you guys. Catch you guys next time and happy 4th of July because this is coming out after 4th of July. So rifle kazoo. Graywo1f: Yes.