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Boys: An Introduction · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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Speaker 1: I am so excited about this week, Missus Happy Families.
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Speaker 1: the Happy Families Podcast. Tomorrow's the day after four years,
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Speaker 1: four and a half years of working on my book Boys,
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Speaker 1: including and ask Me Anything Tomorrow night. Today I'm a
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Speaker 1: Happy Families podcast. We're doing something a little bit different.
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Speaker 1: In fact, all this week we're going to be focused
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Speaker 1: on Boys, and today we're going to give you a
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Speaker 1: sneak peek into the book. I'm going to read, well
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Speaker 1: as long as the podcast time will allow. Missus Happy
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Speaker 1: Families is going to provide commentary, US questions and give
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Speaker 1: you a sample of what the book is about. I
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Speaker 1: thought about extracting excerpts, but instead I thought, let's just
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Speaker 1: start at the start. I think that's the best place
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Speaker 1: to start. It gives you a flavor for where we're going.
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Speaker 1: Stay with us. We begin the reading of Boys Building
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Speaker 1: Strong young Men from the Inside Out. Next on the
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Speaker 1: Happy Families Podcast. Hello and welcome to the Happy Families Podcast.
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Speaker 1: Real parenting solutions every single day. This is Australia's most
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Speaker 1: downloaded parenting podcast and hopefully if you have a son
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Speaker 1: or you know somebody who does, today's podcast is going
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Speaker 1: to be tremendously interesting for you. Boys Building Strong Young
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Speaker 1: Men from the Inside Out is my brand new book.
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Speaker 1: It hits shelves tomorrow. You can also buy it online
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Speaker 1: everywhere last day for pre orders. I got to just
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Speaker 1: put a little plug in here. And Kylie, I know
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Speaker 1: that it might sound a little bit about me for
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Speaker 1: just a sec, but the first week or two of
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Speaker 1: a book being released has a huge impact on how
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Speaker 1: well that book goes. So if this is something that
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Speaker 1: is on your mind, if you've sort of had it
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Speaker 1: on the list and been thinking I really should grab it,
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Speaker 1: please do it like today, tomorrow, the day after sometime
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Speaker 1: this week. It really makes a difference. All right, Kylie,
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Speaker 1: here are the instructions I'm going to read You're going
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Speaker 1: to make comments, ask questions, And today's podcast is going
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Speaker 1: to be the first fifteen minutes or so of the
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Speaker 1: book Boris by me, and I'm going to start with
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Speaker 1: the dedication.
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Speaker 2: Is it for me this time?
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Speaker 1: You always get acknowledgments on those back pages where I
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Speaker 1: say thank you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah on the back page.
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Speaker 1: I don't think I haven't dedicated a book too, and
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Speaker 1: I'm still waiting. I feel like this is going to
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Speaker 1: be my last book. I can't see your last book.
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Speaker 1: You don't want to want doing this again. But if
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Speaker 1: I do write another book, I'll probably have to dedicate
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Speaker 1: to you. My mum keeps begging me to dedicate a
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Speaker 1: book for her as well, so she's not going to
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Speaker 1: like this because there are two dedications and the first
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Speaker 1: one is not to my mom. It is to my dad,
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Speaker 1: and he'll probably shrug and say right, But I just
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Speaker 1: said for my dad, a man who showed me what
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Speaker 1: healthy manhood looks like. And the second dedication for my
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Speaker 1: nephew Logan first of October two thousand and three to
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Speaker 1: the sixth of November twenty twenty three. We wish we'd
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Speaker 1: had more time with you. My others never know the grief.
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Speaker 1: We felt, Oh my goodness, I'm mad. Another good start,
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Speaker 1: miss miss having our nephew in our lives. The author's
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Speaker 1: note is just the first couple of pages interrupts if
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Speaker 1: you've got anything that you want to add. In March
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, just two weeks before the world shut down
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Speaker 1: due to the COVID nineteen pandemic, I released a book
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Speaker 1: about raising girls. That book was called Misconnection. Why your
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Speaker 1: teenage daughter hates you, expects the world, and needs to talk.
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Speaker 1: As a father of six girls, I felt well equipped
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Speaker 1: to support parents struggling with their daughters. That book has
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Speaker 1: helped thousands of families. As soon as the book was announced,
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Speaker 1: I was inundated with desperate messages. When is the boys
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Speaker 1: book coming out? Please help me with my son? I'm lost?
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Speaker 1: Will the girl's book helped me with my boy? Will
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Speaker 1: you please do a book for boys? The requests have
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Speaker 1: only increased since I've been reluctant to enter the masculinity
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Speaker 1: conversation father of daughters, and there are good men doing
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Speaker 1: great work in this area. Yet my discussions with parents
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Speaker 1: have demonstrated two things. First, there's a tremendous need parents
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Speaker 1: are struggling with everything from their sons lack of basic
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Speaker 1: hygiene or bad attitudes, through to gaming, school motivation, pornography,
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Speaker 1: gambling and abusive behavior, fears of radicalization, of being pulled
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Speaker 1: into misogynistic culture or worse, and more. And second, the
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Speaker 1: solutions I've suggested they work really well. Nevertheless, many people
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Speaker 1: raise their eyebrows. But I mentioned I was writing a
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Speaker 1: book on boys. I want to be clear about this.
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Speaker 1: I have skin in the game when it comes to
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Speaker 1: how boys are doing. My girls will know those boys,
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Speaker 1: attend school with them, befriend them, work with them, date them.
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Speaker 1: Those boys will become husbands to my daughters and fathers
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Speaker 1: to my grandchildren. Two of my daughters have already made
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Speaker 1: those consequential choices. This topic matters to me. Boys is
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Speaker 1: the combination of five years of thinking about this topic
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Speaker 1: and nearly twenty five years of researching, writing, and speaking
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Speaker 1: about parenting.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to stop you there, because this book has
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Speaker 2: taken more of you and probably ask than any other book.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you put that down to? So it
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Speaker 1: was hard to write it? I think So tomorrow's episode,
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Speaker 1: you're going to interview me about the writing of the
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Speaker 1: book and all that kind of thing. And I'll probably
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Speaker 1: spend more time on that then, because I'd imagine that
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Speaker 1: you want to go deeper. But basically, when you write
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Speaker 1: a book about girls, everyone's kind of on your side,
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Speaker 1: girl power. Everyone wants girls to win, everyone's really excited
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Speaker 1: to see girls do really well. What's fascinating about writing
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Speaker 1: about boys is that parents of boys really want boys
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Speaker 1: to win, but society, it doesn't feel like society is
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Speaker 1: on boys side. Society is really down on boys. Boys
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Speaker 1: can't do anything right, but we boys will be boys
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Speaker 1: has become a slogan for the great unwatched, like you're
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Speaker 1: not allowed to say that anymore. And I disagree. I
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Speaker 1: think boys should be allowed to be boys, but when
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Speaker 1: boys are being boys, they're often criticized for it. And
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Speaker 1: all too often boys are being boys. Well, they're not
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Speaker 1: being considered boys and not being respectful boys. They're not
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Speaker 1: being healthy boys, which means that they're still actually being boys.
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Speaker 1: They're not growing into men. And just this conversation about
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Speaker 1: it's so morally laden, like parenting is already moral thing,
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Speaker 1: but once you start talking about developing character and you
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Speaker 1: start trying to define masculinity in a healthy way, oh,
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Speaker 1: my goodness, does that set people off. As we go
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Speaker 1: through these first few pages, you'll see more about why.
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Speaker 1: But that's that's why it was so hard, just defining
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Speaker 1: healthy masculinity and try to find a way to write
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Speaker 1: this book in a hopeful, helpful way, a way that
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Speaker 1: didn't just join the pilon. I don't want to be
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Speaker 1: part of the pile on. I don't think boys are
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Speaker 1: the problem. I think boys are the solution. That's what
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Speaker 1: made it so hard to write. How do you articulate
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Speaker 1: that in a way where people can actually start to
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Speaker 1: become supporters of boys.
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Speaker 2: Having had a front row seat to the wrestle that
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Speaker 2: this book has yes given you, and obviously acknowledging the
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Speaker 2: dedication to Logan and the emotion that has has weighted
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Speaker 2: the things that you've shared in this book, I'm so
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Speaker 2: grateful that from the outset of your professional journey you
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Speaker 2: have kind of gone against the grain. You've always gone
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Speaker 2: against the grain, and you've been someone who has strived
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Speaker 2: to give parents hope where sometimes it feels hopeless. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I didn't mention anything about Logan because it's it's just
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Speaker 1: it's one of those topics, right, But he was also
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Speaker 1: part of the reason this book was so hard to write.
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Speaker 1: I always knew that I was going to dedicate the
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Speaker 1: book to him once once we lost him. I've already
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Speaker 1: started the book by that stage, but I also not
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Speaker 1: not just in honor of him, but also because the
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Speaker 1: stakes suddenly felt higher, like there's no greater lot, there's
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Speaker 1: no greater challenge that a parent can face or a
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Speaker 1: family member can face than that kind of loss. And
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Speaker 1: knowing that there would be parents reading this who are desperate,
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Speaker 1: who are absolutely searching and seeking and just pleading for
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Speaker 1: some kind of help, that undeniably pushed me into a
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Speaker 1: different place to write the book. It's impossible to say
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Speaker 1: all wise, let me read on, and then we'll take
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Speaker 1: a quick break up on. I've got a couple paragraphs
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Speaker 1: and we're finished. The author's note before we begin. There
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Speaker 1: are three things to recognize. First of all, all stories
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Speaker 1: in this book are shared with the permission of those involved.
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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah. I've changed names so I
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Speaker 1: protect the identity. Second, boys aren't homogeneous. When researchers study boys,
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Speaker 1: they're working with averages, helpful for seeing patterns, but potentially
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Speaker 1: misleading for individual boys. This means that on average, by
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Speaker 1: saying these pages, it's going to be true for most
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Speaker 1: boys and men or girls and women most of the time,
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Speaker 1: but it won't be true for every boy all the time.
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Speaker 1: For example, men are on average taller than women, but
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Speaker 1: plenty of women are taller than plenty of men. The
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Speaker 1: same appliers to behavior, interest, and abilities. On average, boys
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Speaker 1: tend to be more physical, competitive, and interested in both
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Speaker 1: sexual activity and variety. On average, girls prefer intimate friendships
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Speaker 1: and cooperative play. They're choose you when it comes to
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Speaker 1: sexual opportunity. These patterns are accurate on average, even as
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Speaker 1: individual variation remains enormous. Throughout these pages, you'll learn about
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Speaker 1: boys being this, all that, and if I keep saying
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Speaker 1: on average or qualifying my statements with exceptions, it will
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Speaker 1: become tedious when you disagree with the claim because it's
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Speaker 1: not how your son is. Remember that all statements in
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Speaker 1: this book are true on average. Third, all references to
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Speaker 1: boys or girls refer to children whose gender identity conforms
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Speaker 1: to their biological sex at birth. The introduction is right
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Speaker 1: after the break. We're back as the Happy Families podcast.
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Speaker 1: A sneak peak the brand new book, Boys Building Strong
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Speaker 1: Young Men from the Inside out, Kylie, this was hard
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Speaker 1: to get the introduction exactly where I wanted it. I'm
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Speaker 1: pretty happy with it. And it starts as follows, with
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Speaker 1: a quote an epigraph from David Cunliffe, political leader New
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Speaker 1: Zealand twenty fourteen. He was standing up in Parliament. They've
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Speaker 1: been talking about family and domestic violence and abuse and
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Speaker 1: he said, quote, I'm sorry for being a man out.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to start the book with impact. There. It
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Speaker 1: is another morning. Another school principal stares at the computer
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Speaker 1: screencrafting yet another letter to parents. Last week it was
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Speaker 1: year nine boys court sharing abhorrent discord, messages racist and
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Speaker 1: is semitic and misogynistic. The week before sexual harassment issues
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Speaker 1: in year eight. Today a group of boys filming up
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Speaker 1: girls skirts at a sports carnival. The words blur together.
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Speaker 1: Deeply concerned, investigating zero tolerance, not consistent with the culture
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Speaker 1: of our school. These aren't isolated incidents. In recent months,
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Speaker 1: parents have reached out to me about a twelve year
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Speaker 1: old Melbourne girl receiving rape threats during school hours from
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Speaker 1: boys in her class, in person and digitally via school laptops.
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Speaker 1: Nearly forty boys at a nurser's school sharing child pornography, violence,
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Speaker 1: sexual content and more on a social media group chat,
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Speaker 1: and a fifteen year old Perth girl being threatened with
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Speaker 1: rape after rejecting advances from a boy in her class.
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Speaker 1: News outlets have pointed to the Senior Schoolboys, an elite
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Speaker 1: private school in Sydney, who created a points based challenge
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Speaker 1: for the year twelve muck Up Day. Their scorecard and
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, if you've got kids listening, you definitely don't
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Speaker 1: want them to hear this. Give you five seconds to
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Speaker 1: press pause on the podcast or skip through the next
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Speaker 1: minute or so. Their scorecard included ten points for screaming
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Speaker 1: penis on public transport, get with an Asian chick, play
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Speaker 1: porn out loud on public transport, Pretend you have your
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Speaker 1: headphones in and you don't notice. Hook up with a
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Speaker 1: random girl for thirty points. I'm not going to talk
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Speaker 1: about what they could do for thirty points right now.
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Speaker 1: That's in the book. And then they even had acts
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Speaker 1: that were so ob seeing that they could accrue two
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Speaker 1: hundred points. The Boys Code protect each other at all costs.
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Speaker 1: Throughout the first pages of the introduction, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: skip through this because it's really, really hard to read it.
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Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, you're painting a really
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Speaker 2: really sad picture here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. So I want to
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Speaker 1: skip to the end of that section. It's only a
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Speaker 1: page and a half, two pages. In case you thinking,
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Speaker 1: oh my goodness, I can't read this book. That's not
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Speaker 1: what the book is about. In fact, here's what I
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Speaker 1: say at the end of this I say it's horrid.
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Speaker 1: I'm not embellishing, and I haven't cherry picked examples to
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Speaker 1: rattle you. These are devastatingly everyday occurrences in every postcode.
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Speaker 1: The media paints a pessimistic picture, lost boys, the praved boys,
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Speaker 1: stalker boys, violent boys, always boys, and always in trouble
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Speaker 1: from every walk of life, at every socioeconomic level. And
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Speaker 1: who's in the middle of it all You me, loving concern,
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Speaker 1: vigilant parents, watching our boys and wondering how do we
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Speaker 1: navigate this? To identify useful solutions, we need a clear
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Speaker 1: eye view of the problem we're confronted with, and that's
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Speaker 1: where this book starts. What problem? The male problem? The
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Speaker 1: atrocious behavior, the misogynistic behavior, the adi semitic and racist behavior,
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Speaker 1: the sexualized behavior, the violent behavior, the intimidatory behavior. Please
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Speaker 1: start breathing again. Though this book is not a catalog
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Speaker 1: of deviancy, aggression, and addiction in boys and men. It's
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Speaker 1: not fueling the culture war or piling blame and shame
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Speaker 1: on fifty percent of the population and their parents. Rather,
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Speaker 1: this book is about something more important, raising boys who
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Speaker 1: make the world better, not worse. Boys who understand their
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Speaker 1: strength and use it to support, not intimidate or dominate.
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Speaker 1: Boys who know their worth isn't measured by body count
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Speaker 1: in video games or sexual conquest, but by the value
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Speaker 1: they create and the contribution they make. And so I'm
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Speaker 1: just going to interrupt myself there for a second and
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Speaker 1: add the reviewers. This section did used to be longer,
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Speaker 1: but all of the reviewers said, ugh, I can't keep reading,
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Speaker 1: like it's just too heavy. So I've shrunk it right down.
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Speaker 1: And we're really very much focused on identifying that we
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Speaker 1: do have this problem, this quote unquote male problem, and
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Speaker 1: I articulate what that is so that we can start
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Speaker 1: to work on solutions, because this is a book about solutions.
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Speaker 1: Shall I keep going?
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Speaker 2: I'm just curious if in the book you actually step
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Speaker 2: through why we are in this position.
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Speaker 1: I was going to and I spent a lot of
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Speaker 1: time on that in earlier versions of the book, and
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Speaker 1: in the end, I just thought, if I'm a parent
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Speaker 1: reading this book, I don't need the history, I don't
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Speaker 1: need all this stuff. I just need to know what
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Speaker 1: to do. So I've shrunk that whole section down pretty much.
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Speaker 1: I talk about it briefly, but mostly I just say,
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Speaker 1: here is the problem. Let's talk about solutions, because it
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Speaker 1: would be a very different book if I did that,
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Speaker 1: and I don't think it would be nearly as helpful
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Speaker 1: to parents understanding how we got here as part of
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Speaker 1: unpacking it. But really, if we've got a vision of
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Speaker 1: where to go from here, that's what it's really about.
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Speaker 1: So let me just read the last little bit of
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Speaker 1: the introduction, because our time is more or less up.
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Speaker 1: I unpack what this male problem is. It's a matter
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Speaker 1: of trust. It's a question of trust, and I outline why,
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Speaker 1: but his where I finish. What we require is a
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Speaker 1: positive vision of masculinity that's broad enough to recognize the
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Speaker 1: many ways to be a man, one that will aspirational
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Speaker 1: for boys. At the moment, many of our boys are
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Speaker 1: conflicted about how to navigate the relentless and contrasting messages
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Speaker 1: about masculinity. They deserve to understand their power and how
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Speaker 1: to use it well. At its core, this book responds
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Speaker 1: to this issue with two words, surplus value. Surplus value
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Speaker 1: is what transforms a boy into a man. It's where
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Speaker 1: he transforms from the boy's psychology of being a taker
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Speaker 1: to the man's psychology of being a giver, providing, protecting,
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Speaker 1: and using his maturity and strength to support those around
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Speaker 1: him in pro social ways. He shifts, as doctor Arna
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Speaker 1: Rubinstein suggests in the Making of Men, from thinking that
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Speaker 1: he is the center of the universe to being a
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Speaker 1: part of a far greater hole where he has a
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Speaker 1: responsibility to contribute. He learns to get out of beed blame,
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Speaker 1: excuse and denial and pick up hisaor ownership, accountability and responsibility.
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Speaker 1: Boy psychology is what we see in eight year olds,
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Speaker 1: and that's appropriate. Being a taker and living in blame, excuse,
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Speaker 1: and denial are undesirable characteristics in a twenty four year
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Speaker 1: old man. This is the formula I'll be using in
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Speaker 1: this book for what it is to be a man,
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Speaker 1: Providing for kith and kin, being considerate, giving more than
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Speaker 1: he takes, serving without expecting applause, using his power to
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Speaker 1: help those around him feel safer and stronger, and consequently
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Speaker 1: be safer and stronger. That's the kind of masculinity our
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Speaker 1: boys need to first learn and then earn, and it's
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Speaker 1: the masculinity we'll explore in the pages of this book.
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Speaker 2: We've talked to our girls a lot about this idea
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Speaker 2: that the boys that they spend time with should leave
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Speaker 2: them feeling safer and stronger. And I'm so grateful for
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Speaker 2: the many male role models that they have in their
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Speaker 2: lives but that we've grown up with as well, who
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Speaker 2: have really been able to show in profound ways what
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Speaker 2: that looks like, concrete ways that they can help others
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Speaker 2: feel safer and stronger. And we had one of our
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Speaker 2: girls recently broke up with her boyfriend and she came
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Speaker 2: to us and she literally said, he didn't make me
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Speaker 2: feel safer or stronger. And as she started to unpack things,
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Speaker 2: she realized Originally she had thought the anxiety that she
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Speaker 2: was experiencing when she was with and was just normal,
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Speaker 2: kind of butterfly type thing. But as she sat with
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Speaker 2: those feelings for longer, she realized that she felt unsafe.
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Speaker 2: And it's such a powerful thing for our girls to
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Speaker 2: recognize as we help elevate boys. This isn't about blaming them,
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Speaker 2: This isn't about making them out to be the bad person.
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Speaker 2: But it is about elevating our expectations of what they're
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Speaker 2: capable of, because life is so much better. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the book. That's the intro. I've shared
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Speaker 1: about a quarter of the intro. There's so much more
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Speaker 1: in there. I'm so excited. I can't believe I'm holding
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Speaker 1: the book like it's so so good to be at
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Speaker 1: this point. Now.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just telling you I booked myself in for
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Speaker 2: a massage because I think I deserve.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your support. It's been a
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Speaker 1: heavy load, it really has. I'm not saying that in
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Speaker 1: a funny way. I really mean it, like, oh my goodness,
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Speaker 1: you've done so much on your own. So, guys, the
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Speaker 1: book is out. We could keep on talking about it
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Speaker 1: for hours, because clearly it's a big book and there's
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Speaker 1: a lot in there. But I just wanted to give
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Speaker 1: you a sense of what's there. Please jump online and
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Speaker 1: grab a copy wherever you would normally buy your books,
18:25
Speaker 1: or better yet, go into a bookstore pick up a
18:27
Speaker 1: copy off the shelf and carry it out and hold it,
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Speaker 1: heft it own. The book Boys Building Strong young Men
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