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The Kenny Report | 9 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: The fragile ceasefire in the Middle East holds, with uncertainty
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  Speaker 3: about shipping movements, uncertainty over Israeli action in Lebanon, and
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  Speaker 3: fresh threats from Donald Trump. I'll be joined by Australia's
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  Speaker 3: longest serving Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer. An unbelievable response to
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  Speaker 3: the energy crisis in Australia, with supply and price problems
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  Speaker 3: for electricity and liquid fuels, the Albanese government doubles down
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  Speaker 3: on its green dream, including its doomed hydrogen revolution.
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  Speaker 1: Nationals leader Matt Canavan joins me.
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  Speaker 3: Also Anne Rusten on aged care problems, Mark Robinson on
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  Speaker 3: gather round in Adelaide, and Tim and Mark to wrap
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  Speaker 3: up the week with a preview of the new Please
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  Speaker 3: Explain cartoon series.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it now.
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  Speaker 3: The fact and energy nation like Australia, a continent with
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  Speaker 3: enviable qualities of quantities of coal and gas and uranium
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  Speaker 3: and even some oil too. Well, the fact that we
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  Speaker 3: are suffering from two energy crises at once, crises over
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  Speaker 3: both the supply and the price of both liquid fuels
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  Speaker 3: and electricity. Well that would tell sensible people one thing,
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't it That would tell you that we have got
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  Speaker 3: to start using more of our traditional energy bounty.
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  Speaker 1: This is not rocket science. We've been shutting.
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  Speaker 3: Down coal, squeezing out gas domestically, refusing to allow more
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  Speaker 3: drilling and exploration, and we've actually made nuclear energy illegal.
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  Speaker 3: So we've been running this idiotic green agenda, a United
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  Speaker 3: Nations net zero agenda, and it's left us an energy
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  Speaker 3: poor nation on an energy rich continent. We've been living
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  Speaker 3: through the electricity shambles for a decade or more, and
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  Speaker 3: now the Middle East War has highlighted how vulnerable we
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  Speaker 3: are on liquid fuels after we shut down most of
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  Speaker 3: our refineries and stopped looking to extract and process our
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  Speaker 3: own liquid fuels. And what is the Albanezi Labor government's
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  Speaker 3: solution to all of this, Well, you could hardly believe it.
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  Speaker 4: The four projects that we are announcing today as the
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  Speaker 4: first pilots for the investor front door. They are about biofuels,
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  Speaker 4: electric heavy vehicles, critical minerals and also hydrogen. Four really
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  Speaker 4: important projects.
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  Speaker 3: You heard right, The smirking Treasurer Jim Charmers reckons the
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  Speaker 3: answer to our green dream problem. Is to tip more
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  Speaker 3: of your money chasing the green dream.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a big believer, as is Katherine, in the potential
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  Speaker 4: of low carbon liquid fuels.
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  Speaker 1: We see it as an important part of of.
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  Speaker 4: The solution, having more diverse sources of fuel, cleaner and
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  Speaker 4: cheaper energy over time. And that's why this investment that
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  Speaker 4: David and his colleagues and others are making, why it's
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  Speaker 4: so welcome and why we encourage it.
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  Speaker 1: He's a believer.
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  Speaker 3: Now, this delusional obsession, this isn't new, of course, despite
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  Speaker 3: billions of dollars wasted and dozens of projects scrapped, This
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  Speaker 3: Labor Green's government has been pursuing green hydrogen for years,
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  Speaker 3: using your money to start what they call a green
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  Speaker 3: hydrogen revolution.
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  Speaker 5: We have an exciting future going forward in terms of
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  Speaker 5: green hydrogen under the Urban Easy Labor government. These jobs
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  Speaker 5: will be secure because we'll be leading the global green
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  Speaker 5: hydrogen revolution. And what we know is that the green
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  Speaker 5: hydrogen sector has an enormous potential in this country. We
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  Speaker 5: have two hundred and twenty five billion dollar pipeline for
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  Speaker 5: green hydrogen in Australia that's across one hundred projects. Only
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  Speaker 5: Labor has the plan to ensure that Australia is part
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  Speaker 5: of and is leading that hydrogen revolution.
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  Speaker 3: Really, most of the projects these people have announced and
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  Speaker 3: promised to support with your tax dollars have fallen over.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look at the list of multi billion dollar
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  Speaker 3: plans that have fallen over. There was the Queensland project
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  Speaker 3: at Gladstone, a twelve billion dollar dud, the so called
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  Speaker 3: Hunter Valley hydrogen hub, hundreds of millions gone on what's
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  Speaker 3: more like a hydrogen dud. Like the Hunter, they're trying
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  Speaker 3: to shift the Latrobe Valley from coal to hydrogen. But
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  Speaker 3: those multi billion dollar plans have also fallen over. In
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  Speaker 3: South Australia, the government had six hundred million dollar plans
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  Speaker 3: for hydrogen at Wyala but switched that to propping up
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  Speaker 3: the steel plant instead, And there were other projects further
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  Speaker 3: south and across in West Australia, a number of green
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  Speaker 3: hydrogen projects have fallen over to It's a litany of
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  Speaker 3: wasted taxpayers money and failed projects. But the green zealots,
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  Speaker 3: the climate change evangelists, they see it very differently.
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  Speaker 5: Under an urban, easy labor government, these jobs will be
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  Speaker 5: secure because we'll be leading the global green hydrogen revolution.
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  Speaker 3: It is such a worry these people will learn nothing. Remember,
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  Speaker 3: after all this pain, all these warnings, and all this failure,
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  Speaker 3: this is what the Treasurer was promising to do with
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  Speaker 3: your tax dollars Today.
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  Speaker 4: If we've learned anything from the last month and a bit,
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  Speaker 4: it's that cleaner and cheaper fuels, sovereign capacity, refining, manufacturing,
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  Speaker 4: these things are more important than ever in the context
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  Speaker 4: of this extreme pressure that we've seen on our global supply.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's why we're big believers, big believers. Did
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  Speaker 1: we elect politicians or preachers?
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  Speaker 3: Do we want a treasurer who can count and think
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  Speaker 3: or one who believes in green hydrogen and gaia? I
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  Speaker 3: believe these people have lost connection with reality and are
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  Speaker 3: on a crusade to please the gods of the United Nations,
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  Speaker 3: or the Greens and the tills, who knows. But they
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  Speaker 3: are not about strengthening this country or providing for our future.
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  Speaker 1: Because the path to.
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  Speaker 3: Fixing our energy mess and bolstering our economy is painfully
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  Speaker 3: obvious to everyone, and National's leader Matt Canavan said it
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  Speaker 3: plainly enough yesterday.
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  Speaker 6: So to recapture our sovereign capability, we've got to end
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  Speaker 6: this that zero madness. We've got to invest again in
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  Speaker 6: all types of energy, including coal and oil and gas
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  Speaker 6: and nuclear.
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  Speaker 3: Oh but he forgot to say clean and that's what Labor,
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  Speaker 3: the Greens and the.
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  Speaker 1: Teals would say.
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  Speaker 3: He forgot to pretend that he could save the planet.
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  Speaker 3: Canavan knows that with one percent or less of global emissions,
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  Speaker 3: and with other countries ensuring global emissions continued to rise, well,
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  Speaker 3: he knows that Australia can't change the climate or save
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  Speaker 3: the planet. We are not changing the climate and we
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  Speaker 3: are not saving the planet. What we are doing is
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  Speaker 3: vandalizing our own country. And that might make some of
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  Speaker 3: these politicians feel good about their climate credentials, or would
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  Speaker 3: them win them praise on the ABC or at dinner parties,
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  Speaker 3: But it worries the heck out of most of us
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  Speaker 3: because it's selling this country down the drain. Let's go
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  Speaker 3: to western New South Wales. Now catch up with the
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  Speaker 3: Nationals leader, Matt Canavan. Matt, thanks so much for joining us,
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  Speaker 3: and congratulations on your speak speech. Yes today you said
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  Speaker 3: that what is plainly obvious to most of us about
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  Speaker 3: this country, what the Nationals and the Coalition should have
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  Speaker 3: been arguing Uphill and down Dale for the last decade
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  Speaker 3: and that is that we have absolutely undercut our own
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  Speaker 3: economy and our own future, mind you, by refusing to
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  Speaker 3: use our own energy resources.
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  Speaker 6: Well, thank you, Chris. Look, it is very frustrating. I've
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  Speaker 6: been isolated a little bit the last year. Is very frustrated,
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  Speaker 6: angry even that we have been trashing the lucky country
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  Speaker 6: that we were delivered. We're all lucky enough to be
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  Speaker 6: born here, arrive here and become Australian. So we are
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  Speaker 6: the only country in the world that has its own continents,
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  Speaker 6: all for its own use, with pretty much everything you
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  Speaker 6: need to both survive and thrive in a modern economy.
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  Speaker 6: But we have made a choice in the last generation
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  Speaker 6: to lock up large parts of our country from use,
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  Speaker 6: and because we won't use it, we're losing our country,
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  Speaker 6: losing it down the drain, I have just rightly said,
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  Speaker 6: losing our living standards, losing our confidence, even losing our
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  Speaker 6: sense of humor. I think everything has been going down
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  Speaker 6: in this country because we just aren't trying anymore. And
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  Speaker 6: there should be no reason why our Prime Minister has
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  Speaker 6: to fly halfway around the world to beg for liquid fuels,
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  Speaker 6: which is what he's had to do in this last
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  Speaker 6: minute flight to Singapore today. We should instead have been
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  Speaker 6: drilling for the last few decades. We probably would have
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  Speaker 6: found a new source of liquid fuels to replace the
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  Speaker 6: bats straight. Just a generation ago, we were self sufficient
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  Speaker 6: in petrol and diesel, and now we're back to beg
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  Speaker 6: other countries for that. So we can turn that around
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  Speaker 6: the good news as we can turn it around if
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  Speaker 6: we just get back to what put us in this position,
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  Speaker 6: put us in a self sufficient position twenty five years ago.
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  Speaker 6: But that's not going to happen with what I just heard,
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  Speaker 6: the rubbish I just heard from the Treasurer, the labor ministers.
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  Speaker 6: As you've pointed it out there, all of these schemes
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  Speaker 6: have failed in the last four years. I mean, how
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  Speaker 6: can they with a straight face think that the same
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  Speaker 6: failed measures would miss. There's now work because what we
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  Speaker 6: have now is a government that's addicted to the status quo.
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  Speaker 6: They're not willing to make any changes. They think we
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  Speaker 6: should do more of the same, which has put us
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  Speaker 6: in this mess, put us in this vulnerable position. Clearly
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  Speaker 6: things need to change because the only thing this government's
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  Speaker 6: clean energy and hydrogen agenda has delivered is hot air.
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  Speaker 6: There's plenty of hot air out there that has been
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  Speaker 6: delivered by this but billions of taxpayers dollars has been
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  Speaker 6: spent just to produce that hot air. It hasn't produced
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  Speaker 6: any energy security for our country. It's not a reliable
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  Speaker 6: or realistic option for the issues we face. We need
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  Speaker 6: to get back to basics, drill for the commodities we
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  Speaker 6: clearly have under our feet, dig up other forms of
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  Speaker 6: energy where we need to, and bring back industry and
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  Speaker 6: jobs to this country.
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  Speaker 3: Well, this is what's so disturbing about what we've heard
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  Speaker 3: from the government today, because they're now confronted with our
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  Speaker 3: reliance on liquid fuels.
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  Speaker 1: We know what a mess the energy grid has.
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  Speaker 3: Become in the recent decades, and how all of this
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  Speaker 3: pushed costs up for manufacturing, forced manufacturing industries and jobs offshore,
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  Speaker 3: undercut our economic future and our productivity. And yet there's
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  Speaker 3: Jim Charmers saying that it's important to make things in Australia,
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  Speaker 3: saying it's important to have sovereign capability, but promising to
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  Speaker 3: get there by doubling down on green hydrogen.
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  Speaker 1: This is a mirage.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a commercially.
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  Speaker 1: Viable product anywhere in the world.
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  Speaker 3: We've already wasted billions all around the country, and he's
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  Speaker 3: going to tip more into it. I mean, I just
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  Speaker 3: don't know what thought processes are going on here.
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  Speaker 6: Well, well, Chris, clearly, you need a mix of things
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  Speaker 6: to deliver a strong economy, just like you need a
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  Speaker 6: mix of ingredients to bake a cake. You need to
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  Speaker 6: rely on lots of different types of types of energy
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  Speaker 6: do different things effectively. This gubment's trying to make a
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  Speaker 6: cake just with a flour, and forgetting about the eggs
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  Speaker 6: and the sugar and everything else, and milk, everything else.
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  Speaker 6: You need to have something as tritricious. And so now
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  Speaker 6: the government's spooking biofuels, and I think that can be
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  Speaker 6: part of a solution. There's certainly more we can do
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  Speaker 6: in that space. But keep in mind that the National's
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  Speaker 6: Party we released a report on this just a couple
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  Speaker 6: of weeks ago. Even if we converted our entire canola crop,
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  Speaker 6: we produce a lot of canola. Even if we converted
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  Speaker 6: our entire canolar crop to bio diesel, that would meet
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  Speaker 6: less than ten percent of our nation's needs. And this
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  Speaker 6: is the unrealistic nature of what the government spooks here.
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  Speaker 6: They're addicted to talking points which sound good and maybe
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  Speaker 6: get them through the next media cycle, but it's not
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  Speaker 6: going to get us through the next energy crisis.
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  Speaker 1: Because as bad as this situation has.
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  Speaker 6: Been in the past few months, it's not the worst
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  Speaker 6: thing that could happen to our country. That report we
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  Speaker 6: released a couple of weeks ago was about a potential
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  Speaker 6: conflict in our region that we may be directly involved
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  Speaker 6: in that would be much much worse. And we've been
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  Speaker 6: working on that for twelve months and it showed that
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  Speaker 6: we need to provide a lot more of a suite
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  Speaker 6: of solutions here, not relied just on renewables, on bio fuels.
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  Speaker 6: It is all our energy sources if we're going to
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  Speaker 6: survive and defend our country.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, now we all know that Australia has more gas,
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  Speaker 3: more coal and more uranium that it could ever used
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  Speaker 3: in a thousand years. So we've got more of those
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  Speaker 3: resources than we could ever use if we chose to
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  Speaker 3: continue to exploit them. Where we have been short in
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  Speaker 3: the past is on liquid fuels, is on oil. But
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  Speaker 3: now there were prospects in Queensland of US actually producing
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  Speaker 3: more oil domestically and refining it. Here here's the Queensland
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  Speaker 3: Premier David Chris a fully.
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  Speaker 7: This is the first oil field to be developed in
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  Speaker 7: this country for over half a century.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the tarun frost.
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  Speaker 7: We are standing above a sea of oil, our golden
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  Speaker 7: opportunity to deliver liquid gold for this state now. We
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  Speaker 7: began this process before the current crisis. We call for
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  Speaker 7: tenders in May of last year and an own successful
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  Speaker 7: tenders at the start of this year. This is our
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  Speaker 7: right now to be up to drill, refine and store
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  Speaker 7: our own fuel in.
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  Speaker 1: This country again. And what a great sight to see
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  Speaker 1: oil in Queensland, Matt Canavan.
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  Speaker 3: Should the federal governor get on board here and make
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  Speaker 3: sure we develop not only that resource but look for
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  Speaker 3: more oil elsewhere in the country.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Chris.
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  Speaker 6: It's very refreshing to hear that from David Chris affully
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  Speaker 6: after the rubbish I'd heard from our federal treasurer earlier.
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  Speaker 6: We're very lucky to have some political leaders like David
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  Speaker 6: with common sense in this country. The federal governor should
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  Speaker 6: listen to him. Unfortunately, just four months ago the Labor
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  Speaker 6: Party federally did a deal with the Greens which made
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  Speaker 6: it impossible for the Environment Minister to approve a liquid
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  Speaker 6: fuels project under the national interest test of our environmental laws.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, let's just take a while to consider what
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  Speaker 6: they did. There's always been the provision for the environment
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  Speaker 6: Minister to say, look, this project is our national interests,
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  Speaker 6: might be defense, might be liquid fuel security, that's in
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  Speaker 6: our national interest. We can exempt it from all this
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  Speaker 6: green tape and just get on with it. What they
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  Speaker 6: did before Christmas, in their mad rush to pass these
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  Speaker 6: environmental changes to our laws, was to do a deal
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  Speaker 6: with the green say no, if you're a fossil fuel action,
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  Speaker 6: if you're the development of oil in the room troth,
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  Speaker 6: you can't use that exemption. I mean, is there anything
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  Speaker 6: more important that we've discovered the last few months? And
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  Speaker 6: liquid fuels to our national security our tanks needed, our
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  Speaker 6: trucks needed, or the defense our sets needed, our farmers
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  Speaker 6: need it to grow food. And yet this government thinks
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  Speaker 6: that it's okay potentially to sign off on a wind project,
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  Speaker 6: a solar project, a hydrogen project under this national interest test,
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  Speaker 6: but not a liquid fuels when it shows their priorities,
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  Speaker 6: their warp priorities, so they should.
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  Speaker 1: Immediately change that.
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  Speaker 6: Last week I moved an amendment on behalf of the
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  Speaker 6: Liberal and National parties that would have reversed that bad
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  Speaker 6: Green deal and take us back to the area where
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  Speaker 6: we could approve things quickly like the Queensland government wants.
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  Speaker 6: That was rejected, but that office stands on the table.
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  Speaker 6: I'm happy to work with a Labour party in our
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  Speaker 6: nationally interest to get something like the Tarum Trough going.
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  Speaker 6: Why won't Anthony Albinezi listen to common sense?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Matt.
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  Speaker 3: Just to finish up, I want to get your thoughts
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  Speaker 3: on the broader context here. I've written about this for
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  Speaker 3: the Weekend Australian because, as you know, I've spoken about
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  Speaker 3: our national energy self harmed for.
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  Speaker 1: Ten, maybe twenty years.
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  Speaker 3: But it occurs to me now when you see the
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  Speaker 3: hundreds of billions of dollars spent the opportunity cost of
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  Speaker 3: what else you could have done with that money. What
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  Speaker 3: has done to our federal and state budgets, What has
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  Speaker 3: done to undermine our manufacturing and other industries in this country.
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  Speaker 3: How we've educated a whole miseducated the whole generation of
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  Speaker 3: Australians about climate alarmism and the role of renewable energy
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  Speaker 3: in sustaining a modern economy. It just seems to me
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  Speaker 3: that net zero is the worst policy decision ever taken
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  Speaker 3: in this country's history, that it is all pain with
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  Speaker 3: no viron mental gain because of what's happening in the
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  Speaker 3: rest of the world, and the harder and stronger both
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  Speaker 3: coalition parties go on this between now and whenever the
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  Speaker 3: next elections are the better for this country.
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  Speaker 1: Your thoughts, well.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I want to say, Chris, you have been a
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  Speaker 6: shining light on this issue. As I said earlier, I've
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  Speaker 6: been pretty frustrated, but what has kept some hope is
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  Speaker 6: people like yourself, Chris Allmand, many other writers and commentators
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  Speaker 6: that all missed that have been voices for common sense.
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  Speaker 6: So it is unfortunate that we've had to go through
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  Speaker 6: this pain and difficulty to get a wake up call.
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  Speaker 6: And I want to recognize that a lot of people
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  Speaker 6: are hurting right now, a lot of businesses are on
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  Speaker 6: the edge, and there's unfortunately not going to be a
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  Speaker 6: huge amount of relief just soon, even with potentially conflict ending.
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  Speaker 6: Because we've put ourselves in this funeral position. A lot
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  Speaker 6: of people are going to be hurt because of that.
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  Speaker 6: So it will be the best thing for our country
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  Speaker 6: if we can get rid of this net zero handbreak
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  Speaker 6: on our nation. That's really slowing us down now hurting
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  Speaker 6: us now. I've been fighting for that against the years.
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  Speaker 6: The Liberal National Party get rid of this if we're elected.
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  Speaker 6: So we've got to win that election now. As I say,
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  Speaker 6: I think people are waking up and the good news
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  Speaker 6: is we can reverse this. The worst outcome here, Chris
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  Speaker 6: is we'd keep going to an unachievable net zero goal
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  Speaker 6: for many years more until it becomes patently clear and
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  Speaker 6: extremely painful. If we can change the government next election,
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  Speaker 6: I think we can turn this around pretty quickly because
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  Speaker 6: there are so many opportunities in this country. We are
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  Speaker 6: very very lucky. How the resources we have and we're
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  Speaker 6: blessed with. We've just got to use them again and
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  Speaker 6: we'll be lucky again. We'll pass on a great country
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  Speaker 6: to our children and grandchildren. We've just got to fight
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  Speaker 6: for it at that next election.
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  Speaker 1: Matt Canavan, thanks so much for joining us. Matt Canavan.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: They're live from Griffith in the river Ina district of
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: New South Wales. I'm coming to you live from Adelaide tonight.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Our next guest, Anne Rustin is a Liberal Senator for
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: South Australia and Shadow Health minister. The scarf around your
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: neck would betray the reason for my visit. And it's
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: a gather around kicking off here tonight. Then do you'll
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: be supporting the crows? That's good to see along with
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: me now, I was just talking about Canavan about net zero.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: We know the coalition back to net zero up to
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: the last election.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: When you look at our energy self harm, the problems
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: in industry and business and the farming sectors and elsewhere,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: we've really got to get hold of this, don't we
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: We've got so sure. We all want to protect the environment,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: but this country needs to return to reliable, affordable energy
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: above all else.
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  Speaker 1: It underpins the whole economy.
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: Look absolutely, and I think what we've seen of recent times,
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: and not just in the last year or so, but
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: over the last number of years, the argument's become political.
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: It's been sort of distorted by ideology. We should be
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: talking about our energy, about our resources, about Australia's wealth,
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: and an economic sense. You know, where it makes economic
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: sense for us to exploit our resources. We should be
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: doing so within those environmental safety constraints that you talk about.
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: And I think you know, we've got so far away
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: from the economic argument, and we seem to be having
• 19:53
  Speaker 8: a political argument, and that is not a good.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Argument exactly, and it's this lauding and worshiping of renewal.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Was of course there's role for renewables and biofuels and
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: all the rest of it.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Of course, you reduce your emissions where you can, but you.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Don't vandalize your economy, because we're not going to save
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: the planet without one percent anyway.
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: And that's my point. We need to let economics be
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: to driving this argument. Where it is economic be viable
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: to do so, businesses will seek to go out and
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: make good with our resources in this country, but unfortunately
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: it's been completely derailed by this sort of ideological pursuit
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: of some crazy things, like we say here in South Australia.
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: You know Malley's hydro green hydrogen grid and hydrogen stupid
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: things that did not take into account the economic stupidity
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: of what he was trying to do.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: And federal labour now tipping more of our money into
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: this same green the green hydrogen revolution that they fund
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: with our money, and we've just seen project after project
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: fall over. Anyway, the reason I asked you on was
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: stuff more related to your portfolio to health and age care,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: and that is news of a tool.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: A management tool in age care.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Now, I know for everybody trying to do either access
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: age care or help their parents and others access age care,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: it's such a difficult process. But you've got concerns that
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: are basically a judgment mechanism that the government's using.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Could be catching a lot of people short.
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: Well, what we've found out after we had a look
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: under the bondet of the new reforms from the Age
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: Care Act, was that the government, without telling anybody, has
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: actually put in place a robot determination in terms of
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: the care needs of older Australians and we're seeing time
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: and time and time again it's spitting out results that
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: are completely in conflict of what the medical professional of
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: that particular person is saying their needs are and there's
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: no human override. And so we're calling on the government.
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: You cannot let a robot be making decisions about the
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: care and older person needs without the ability for human interventions.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: So let's just explain how this happens.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Instead of a human being meeting an elderly person and
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: making judgments about the level of care they need, the
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: details of what just fed in online by the patient
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: themselves and a computer makes the decision no.
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: What happens is they go through their assessment. There's a
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: series of yes no answers that go into the system.
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: The person who's filling out the assessment on behalf of
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: the older person feeds them in and the algorithm then
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: spits out the answer in terms of what level of care.
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  Speaker 8: There is no other mechanism determining what an older person needs,
• 22:20
  Speaker 8: and we've seen people who have got serious, serious care
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: needs being told when they go for reassessments they need
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: less care or no care. You know, older patients with dementia,
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: people with MND, which we know are deteriorating conditions, but
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: somehow this algorithm is telling them they don't need as
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: much care as they did yesterday tomorrow.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Are there government careers who can override that system, because
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: you need some human common sense on these things.
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: That's what we're calling for. We're saying to the government,
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  Speaker 8: you cannot let your budget bottom line dictate the care
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: needs of older Australians and we're calling on the government
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  Speaker 8: to immediately put in some human override and make sure
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  Speaker 8: because we've seen hundreds and hundreds of people seek reviews
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: because they think their determinations are wrong and they're taking
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: months to determine what he to assess whether he's a
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: right or not, during which time older Australians are going
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: without the care they're Manchester's needing.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we'll keep a watch on that and see what
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: see if you get in a change our action from
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: the government.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us in.
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  Speaker 3: I'll see you down to that laid over We'll go
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: cross well and rustin there, Shadow Health Minister.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break. On the other side.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about this fragile ceasefire in the
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Middle East, so much uncertainty about the future. Alexander Downer
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: will give us his insights after this short break. The
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: fragile ceasefire between the US and Iran remains in place,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: but ships in the Strait of Humers are at a
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: standstill after conflicting reports about the passes reopening and then
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: closing again. Meanwhile, Israel has struck Lebanon in its heaviest
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: offensive in weeks.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Here's the latest from Fox News.
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: Israel's fate against Hasblah in Lebanon is suddenly threatening to
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: blow up the entire ceasefire agreement before the ink is
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: even dry. After Pakistani mediators announced that Lebanon is included
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: in the ceasefire, Israel announced it is not, and promptly
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: launched one of its most extensive attacks of the entire war.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: We delivered the biggest blow to Hesbler since the pages.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: We attacked one hundred targets in ten minutes in location
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Hesbler was sure were invulnerable.
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  Speaker 9: Iran insists if a cessation of Israeli attacks on Lebanon
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: is not included in the agreement, then there is no agreement.
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: It says it has again closed the Strait of Hormuz
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: as a result.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: And this afternoon, in our time, Donald Trump posted on
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: truth social again saying all US ships and personnel will
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: stay in the Middle East, warning if the ceasefire breaks,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: then shooting starts bigger and better and stronger than anyone
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: has ever seen before. Our great military is loading up
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: and resting, says Donald Trump, looking forward actually to its
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: next conquest is back. Australia's longest serving foreign minister, Alexander Downer,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: joins me live in the studio. Alexander, how would you
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: go dealing with a key ally partner who tweets like
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: that it's tough.
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  Speaker 10: It's tough.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Donald Trump certainly says the most alarming and
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: frankly sometimes quite appalling things. However, America is the guarrantel
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: of the security of the liberal democratic world. We have
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: to understand that. So I wouldn't get into an argument
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: with him about it, and nor would I try to
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: play domestic Australian politics with it. I just let the
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: public think whatever they think. I mean, I know what
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: they think. They think. His language is appalling and a
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: president shouldn't speak like that. But let's try to get
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: a bigger perspective here. We don't want to see the Irgc,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: the Iranian and theocratic sort of Gestapo style police.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Winning this war.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: We want the Americans and the Israelis to win, to
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: suppress any capacity Iran has to project power through the
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Middle East. That's what we want. That's in our interests,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: and we need to keep that big picture very.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Firmly in mind.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Not worry about them. I mean, it's true alarming tweets
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: of the president.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, really alarming, and they do make it difficult for
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Alliance partners, there's no doubt about that. But when I
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: think of Anthony Albanesi and Kyostarma and others, they instead
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: of just dissing Trump's language, surely there must be an opportunity,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: opportunity and for them to say in stronger terms, Look.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: We don't choose the words.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: We would use different words, but the aims here are
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: important and we support America's actions.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: That's exactly That's exactly what they should do. They should
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: be well, we don't have to worry about Kiirs damer
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: but we do have to worry about Albanesi, and he
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: has become equivocal in his public commentary on the Americans'
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: war aims, and I think that is a foolish position
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: for Australia. We are totally dependent on the Americans. If
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: the Orcus program is to go ahead, we are totally
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: dependent on them. If we wanted an independent foreign policy
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: independent of the Americans, we'd have to double US spending
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: on defense and we wouldn't have access to the sort
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: of technology we get from the Americans. So if I
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: were Albanesi, I wouldn't start playing domestic I know he
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: loves domestic political games, but I wouldn't start playing domestic
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: political games with this issue, because you'll be putting at
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: risk initiatives like Orcus, and that will undermine Australia's security
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: if that's put at risk.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I want to play a little bit of what
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanese he said today, because he seems to be
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: playing a very strange game here.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: He is Anthony Albanesi.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: We want to say this that this is an important
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: step forward. Of course it is a fragile piece, but
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: we wanted to lead to an agreement. The Australian government
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: also firmly believes that this has to apply to Lebanon
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: as well. We want to see peace in this region
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: and it will make a difference.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Then, now what I find strange here He's happy to
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: criticize Donald Trump.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: He doesn't want to contribute to the war.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Yet here he is telling the warring parties where the
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: ceasefire should apply.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: No, well, he wouldn't have any idea, of course, because
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Australia has played itself out of most international relations over
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: the last four of five years. But I mean he's
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: taking the Iranian rhetoric, which is the ceasefire must apply
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: to Hesbola, not just to Iran. I mean what that
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: does that statement for the Iranians Is exposers if it
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: needed to be exposed that Hesbella is simply an Iranian proxy.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: It's a branch of the of the IRGC, of the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Iranian military. So if I again, Albanezi shouldn't be getting
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: into this, I don't know why he would get into
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: this argument. He should just be supporting the Americans in
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: the Israelis with their war aims. Of course, he's pleased
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: that there's a ceasefire, and I personally think, although it's
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: a fragile ceasefire and there'll be breaches of it and
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: there'll be alarming moments, that it will probably hold because
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I don't think either side particularly wants to keep the
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: wall going. So I think it's likely we won't see
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: very much more kinetic action. As they like to say.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Well, just on the future. JD.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Vance, the Vice President's going to be crucial as the
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: lead negotiator here he is today.
• 30:18
  Speaker 11: I actually think, and there's a lot of bad faith
• 30:21
  Speaker 11: negotiation and a lot of bad faith, you know, propaganda
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: going on. I think this comes from a legitimate misunderstanding.
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: I think the Iranians thought that the ceasefire included Lebanon,
• 30:32
  Speaker 11: and it just didn't. We never made that promise. We
• 30:35
  Speaker 11: never indicated that was going.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: To be the case.
• 30:37
  Speaker 11: What we said is that the ceasefire would be focused
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: on Iran and the ceasefire would be focused on America's allies.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Jd. Vance.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: They're talking about how difficult this is going to be.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: You've talked about the problems, what you're expecting to see.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: So do you think in the after two weeks there
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: could be an enduring agreement?
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I think it's more likely than not. They They won't
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: return to a full war situation as we've seen over
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: the last six weeks. But I mean, as it's obviously
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: a fragile piece, there will be incidents. There will be occasions,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: there will be arguments about the Straits of Homers, about
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Hasbalara and so on, as we've already seen. That will
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: go on, but I don't think the war will return
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: to the full fury that we've seen over the last
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: six weeks.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us again, Alexandra. I think I'll see
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: you at the footy as well.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Here will I'm hoping the Crows can beat Carton.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping too. We'll see Thanks very much, Alexander. Down
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: there in our Adelaide's studio. After the break, we're going
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: to talk about how markets rebounded on the back of
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: that Middle East ceasefire, plus all the news from gather
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Around with Mark Robinson, as you would have heard with
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Ross of course, US of the ceasefire between the US
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: and Iran has been good for the markets, the all odds.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: I just got to get the latest numbers up for
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: you in a second, and it there we go. It's
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: the ax is up a couple hundred points over the
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: last two sessions, the huge rise yesterday, of course, but
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: it didn't lose those gains today, and oil is full
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: and eleven percent down from one hundred and eight dollars
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: a barrel down to ninety seven.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Despite the good news, Jim Chalmers is warning it'll be
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: a rocky road for some time to come.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: So the government's focus is fuel security, supply chain resilience,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: and also putting together a budget in the face of
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: this really quite serious economic volatility coming at us from
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: around the world, which will be with us for a
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: little while yet.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Let's go to economist Dmitri Bursteinn from Eminence Advisory.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Dmitriga. I'm a little
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: bit worried about this.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: See, the markets sometimes over react, don't they massive gains
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: yesterday on the Australian stock stock market, what eighty billion
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: dollars worth? Were they getting over excited about a tentative ceasefire?
• 32:59
  Speaker 12: Yes, I suspect so. But that's always the case. The
• 33:01
  Speaker 12: markets always overreact on the upside and the downside. You know,
• 33:05
  Speaker 12: the passions of investors, they you know, they climb up
• 33:09
  Speaker 12: and they claw down. Yes, I I personally think they're
• 33:14
  Speaker 12: overreading it a bit, but you know, that's that's my
• 33:16
  Speaker 12: personal opinion.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that opinion.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Although they didn't lose those gains today, so that would
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: suggest that they're pretty comfortable with where things are at now.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: If we see the price of oil go back to pre.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: War levels, how long will it take for that to
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: flow through to the bowsers in Australia.
• 33:40
  Speaker 12: Well, I think it'll take quite a while, because you know,
• 33:44
  Speaker 12: it takes quite a bit of time to refine the
• 33:46
  Speaker 12: oil and to you know, to rebalance the supply and demand.
• 33:51
  Speaker 12: It curves globally. But what it does show you is,
• 33:55
  Speaker 12: despite all the green future rhetoric, how important oil is
• 34:01
  Speaker 12: to the global economy. It's the essentially the blood flow
• 34:04
  Speaker 12: of the global economy.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure is.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: And of course that news out of Coueensland today with
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: oil fills there ready to be developed, it reminds us that,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: of course that while we have all that gas and
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: coal and uranium, we're likely to have a lot more
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: oil than we currently extract.
• 34:23
  Speaker 12: Well, that's true, and it's not just conventional oil. There
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: is a lot of data to suggest there's unconventional oil
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: shale oil to be extracted and you know, more than
• 34:34
  Speaker 12: enough to supply our own needs. But the issue is
• 34:38
  Speaker 12: is that we no longer have the refining capacity.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: To do that.
• 34:44
  Speaker 12: And you know these things don't turn on and off overnight.
• 34:47
  Speaker 12: It takes years to build one of these things and
• 34:50
  Speaker 12: to build the capability to a extract oil and b
• 34:53
  Speaker 12: to refine it.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I know.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: There is oil that is extracted in the Northern Territory
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: goes down by truck to South Australia and has shipped
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: overseas for refining. So there's a lot to change in
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: this country if we're actually to approve our liquid fuels sufficiency.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Just finally, though, Demitrigga, how does Jim Chalmers frame a
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: budget with so much uncertainty about what's going on here
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: and around the world.
• 35:19
  Speaker 12: Well, how does he frame it? I mean, it's about
• 35:22
  Speaker 12: the government's economic strategy. You know, there's always volatility. I mean,
• 35:27
  Speaker 12: he's not the first treasurer to deal with global uncertainty.
• 35:30
  Speaker 12: There's you know, the global financial crisis, there was the
• 35:34
  Speaker 12: Asia financial crisis, there was nine to eleven, there was COVID.
• 35:38
  Speaker 12: You know, he's not the first, he's not the last.
• 35:40
  Speaker 12: The question is what objectives does do the government want
• 35:44
  Speaker 12: to achieve? And I worry that they'll be rather uninspirational
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: and rather than cutting costs and cutting taxes, it will
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: be just the opposite. It will be increasing taxes and
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: yet again increasing expenses.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: That's the worry is to worry.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: We'll catch up with you again on those issues as
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: the budget nears. Dmitri, thanks so much for joining us.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Let's go to footy now and catch up as we
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: do every Thursday with broadcaster Mark Robinson. Mark, you won't
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: be surprised to know that I'm in Adelaide this weekend.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Sometimes the fully fixture dictates my movements around this great
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: country and I'm looking forward to gather around tonight.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Look, this is an idea that.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Ossie Rules pinched directly from the NRL Magic Round. But
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: it's been a winner, hasn't it for the game and
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: for South Australia now and.
• 36:31
  Speaker 13: Very quickly as it was in the Rugby League and
• 36:33
  Speaker 13: they pink sudent. That's okay. Good ideas can be shared.
• 36:38
  Speaker 13: As you know, Christopher, that got a big decision to
• 36:41
  Speaker 13: make the AFL.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: They've made some.
• 36:42
  Speaker 13: Good decisions in the past and some dumb decisions. And
• 36:46
  Speaker 13: the good decision was to give it to Adelaide and
• 36:47
  Speaker 13: it will be a very dumb, dumb decision to take
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  Speaker 13: it off them. That ain't going to happen. Peto mel
• 36:54
  Speaker 13: And asked us, the Premier of South Australia, what's a
• 36:57
  Speaker 13: longer term commitment.
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  Speaker 1: I think it'll be looking at four or five years.
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  Speaker 13: We've got Tasmania coming in and yes today and I
• 37:04
  Speaker 13: don't think this will work. But the Sydney Swans Shaman,
• 37:10
  Speaker 13: mister Pridham has suggested that we spreap opening round, which
• 37:15
  Speaker 13: no one likes, No one in full of football likes
• 37:18
  Speaker 13: it except AFL headquarters, and turn that into a new
• 37:22
  Speaker 13: South Wales, New South Wales Brisbane gather Round. I don't
• 37:25
  Speaker 13: know if we need to gather rounds in the first
• 37:27
  Speaker 13: five weeks of the year, but it's got something for
• 37:31
  Speaker 13: the AFL to think about.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got to come up with some other ideas.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: There's no doubt that other states need to have some
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: special sort of event, but gather around really works at
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Adelaide for all sorts of reasons. And I think they'll
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: end up with a long term deal announced probably on Sunday.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: But here's Andrew Dillon dealing with some of this speculation today.
• 37:49
  Speaker 14: Look, what we're looking forward to is obviously a massive
• 37:51
  Speaker 14: weekend of footy this weekend, and we're having discussions and
• 37:56
  Speaker 14: I think South Australia has put its best foot forward
• 37:59
  Speaker 14: over four years. South Australians haven't actually all of Australia's
• 38:02
  Speaker 14: embrace gather around. So looking forward to fruitful discussions with
• 38:06
  Speaker 14: the premier over the next couple of days.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Robert, I got to share with you this fantastic
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: joke from Yeah. Look, I think I think the deal
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: will be done. I reckon they'll announce it someday.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: We'll see.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: But there was a very funny moment last night at
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: a major dinner where the South Australian Premier Peter Melanouski
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: is a labor premier, of course. He said he's going
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: to take a lead from Donald Trump. He says, I'm
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: going to post on truth social sign the gather round extension,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: you fing crazy bastards or will all be living in
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: the hell. I thought that was a master stroker. He's
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: got to get the deal now.
• 38:40
  Speaker 12: Oh, he'll get it.
• 38:41
  Speaker 13: There's no doubt.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I mean the AFL aren't they stupid? They just aren't.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: They will give it to South Asfrica.
• 38:47
  Speaker 13: But as I said, with Tasmania coming in, they're going
• 38:50
  Speaker 13: to have to do. Suddy's a suggestion that perhaps one
• 38:53
  Speaker 13: of your teams in South Australia might play two games
• 38:56
  Speaker 13: in Gatherer and one at the start one at the
• 38:58
  Speaker 13: end to accommodate the new Tasmanian team in two twenty eight.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: All right, we shall see.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Just on NURL We've going to mention Nathan Cleary, of course,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: a star of the competition, with the Penrith Panthers playing
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: his two one hundredth game on the weekend a big
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: milestone for him.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Of course, his.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Level of fame, I'm afraid, has shot to new levels
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: despite his brilliant achievements himself for Robbo. But he's also
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: now known as mister Mary Fowler.
• 39:26
  Speaker 13: He's you know, the game was so boring on Friday night,
• 39:29
  Speaker 13: the AFL I had a Melbourne stormmat down, so we
• 39:32
  Speaker 13: flipped over and watched this and that Fried by Nathan Cleary,
• 39:35
  Speaker 13: and we had a long chat about him. And he's
• 39:37
  Speaker 13: a regular league maniac. He is just a dead set superstar.
• 39:42
  Speaker 13: And there is potential. This is what two hundredth game
• 39:44
  Speaker 13: this weekend, he's what twenty eight, twenty six, twenty eight, he.
• 39:48
  Speaker 15: Is possibility didn't join again, possibility to join if he
• 39:52
  Speaker 15: wants to, and his body holds up Cameron Smithlan and
• 39:56
  Speaker 15: Cooper Cronkin the four hundred Game Club.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just can't get it.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: When I saw Camera Smith do that four hundred games
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: of that game at that level, that's that's that's incredible resilience.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Just briefly. The Master's underway tonight. The Ozzie is going
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: to do any any good in AUGUSTA.
• 40:17
  Speaker 13: No, no, no, they're not in good enough for Cameron
• 40:21
  Speaker 13: smission not playing well enough. Adam's gotta be jarabout in
• 40:24
  Speaker 13: the top twenty. Maybe I think it best SAPs Jason
• 40:29
  Speaker 13: Day and I like the way he spoke about Tiger
• 40:31
  Speaker 13: Woods too. You know, too many people duck and died questions.
• 40:35
  Speaker 13: Name every politician in Australia, but Cameron Jason Davis asked
• 40:40
  Speaker 13: about Tiger Woods.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: As you know, when he just went bad. Very very selfish.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, indeed, straight talking. We love it and that's
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: why we love talking to you every week. Robbo, enjoy
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: gather around from the couch. I'll get out in amongst
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: it in about an hour from now.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Coming up after the break.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Don't go away because we've got Tim and Mark to
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: wrap up the week and we're going to give you a.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Sneak preview of a new series of the Please Explain Cartoons.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Let's convene the National Cabinet now with Tim Blair and
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Mark Nicholson. Gentlemen, great to speak with you again. It's
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: been a pretty eventful forty eight hours.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Mark.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Are you writing Donald Trump's tweets for him these days?
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Mate?
• 41:26
  Speaker 14: Mate?
• 41:26
  Speaker 16: I couldn't possibly write those tweets. That is insane stuff.
• 41:31
  Speaker 16: The narrative that's going on. My palms are sweaty all
• 41:34
  Speaker 16: the time. You know, there's a nineteen year old kid
• 41:36
  Speaker 16: in the lobby that plugged me in tonight. He doesn't
• 41:38
  Speaker 16: have a care in the world. I don't understand how
• 41:40
  Speaker 16: he lives his life like this. I'm scrolling through Twitter
• 41:43
  Speaker 16: and I'm.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Just sweaty all the time. What a crazy world we
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: live in.
• 41:47
  Speaker 16: God, it's entertaining.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Oh it's frightening.
• 41:51
  Speaker 16: You know.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I was at the beach yesterday morning.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: People were really worried about what's going to happen at
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: ten o'clock in the morning, because, as you know Tim,
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: he'd be threatening to end a civilization at ten o'clock
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: in the morning.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: But at eight thirty the tweet.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Came through, and by the end of the day he's
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: tweeting that there's going to be a new Golden Age
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: in the Middle East led by Iran.
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: Everyone's over reacting. From my perspective, this is Christmas Day
• 42:17
  Speaker 10: with my family. This is nothing extraordinary. Disaster escalations and
• 42:22
  Speaker 10: then retractions are part of the course, as long as
• 42:25
  Speaker 10: the cops aren't showing up. Good for the year's eve.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but at Christmas Day with your family, I'm guessing
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: you get those different extremes from different people. Donald Trump
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: is a mad Christmas party all on his own.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: He plays all the characters.
• 42:44
  Speaker 10: Oh no, you haven't met some of the artist's. There
• 42:49
  Speaker 10: are options, There are options.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: They just said, all right now, the fuel prices are
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: still through the roofs, especially if you rely on D's
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: always still playing three twenty three thirty cents a leader marker.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I checked in with Tim earlier in the week. What
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: about you. You haven't been attempted to buy an E
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: scooter or an E bike or an ev.
• 43:10
  Speaker 14: Mate.
• 43:11
  Speaker 16: I will never be caught dead on one of those
• 43:13
  Speaker 16: things made. I've got my land Cruiser. I'm happily on there.
• 43:17
  Speaker 16: I will flint st I will put it in flintstone
• 43:19
  Speaker 16: mode if I have to, If I have to just
• 43:21
  Speaker 16: like just push.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: It around with my feet, I don't mind.
• 43:24
  Speaker 16: It will never be found dead on an EA scoot once.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I'll just push it around.
• 43:28
  Speaker 16: I don't care if be twenty dollars a letter and
• 43:29
  Speaker 16: I'll still drive it around.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I'll find a.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Way, just knock out the floor of the car and
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: flints the flintstone flag cruiser of loving it Now, I'll
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: tell you what really disturbs me though, because this is exposed,
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: as we all know, on the serious point, just how
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: vulnerable we are as a nation when it comes to
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: liquid fuels and we get a serious response from the government.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: And listen to Chris Bowen.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: This is the sort of stuff that he's still.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Going on with.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: Under the urban easy labor government, these jobs will be
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: secure because we'll be leading the global green hydrogen revolution.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: That was Chris Bowen going back before the last election
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: or whatever, the green hydrogen revolution. Absolute nonsense, billion dollar
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: programs falling over all around the country. Yet today we
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: hear the treasurer and this is his solution to the
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: current situation.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: More of this nonsense. Hey, well, look, if.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: We've learned anything from the last month and a bit,
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: it's that cleaner and cheaper fuels, sovereign capacity, refining, manufacturing,
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: these things are more important than ever in the context
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: of this extreme pressure that we've seen on our global
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: supply chains.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: And so that's why we're big believers.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Tim, he's a big believer, a big believer in green
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: hydrogen idiotic Could this.
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: Be We were just talking before about the bipolar, bipolar
• 45:05
  Speaker 10: nature of the American presidency, you know, having these contrasting
• 45:08
  Speaker 10: views within one individual. Here's a government that stays on
• 45:11
  Speaker 10: one hand, you know, hooray, you know, green green green
• 45:14
  Speaker 10: in hydrogenodrin and in the next breath, as soon as
• 45:17
  Speaker 10: a little awkwardness comes their way, it's all, let's get refining.
• 45:20
  Speaker 10: We believe in refining. We've got to get refining underway.
• 45:22
  Speaker 10: And you know it's events on the other side of
• 45:27
  Speaker 10: the world shouldn't have that much impact on the land
• 45:29
  Speaker 10: with our abundant energy. We keep saying it over and
• 45:31
  Speaker 10: over again, and we never get really a sensible response
• 45:34
  Speaker 10: from these people because they're so ideologically embedded that they
• 45:38
  Speaker 10: can't shake it off. Now they're screwed. They're stuck with it,
• 45:41
  Speaker 10: and unfortunately so are we.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's ideological. It's all about belief rather than facts. Now,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: I want to go to another issue to get your
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: thoughts on this mark, given you're living there in the
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: inner suburbs of Melbourne, disturbing survey published today that shows
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: that one in five Victorians are worried about their personal
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: safety at home the real concerns about crime, particularly in Melbourne.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Still it's not good. I'll tell you what.
• 46:11
  Speaker 16: It's not a nice thing to read on a day
• 46:13
  Speaker 16: where I caught a flight up to Brisbane as well,
• 46:15
  Speaker 16: left the wife and kid at home.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: But I'm telling you.
• 46:17
  Speaker 16: I was actually kind of surprised.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: One in five.
• 46:20
  Speaker 16: That means that that would mean, if my mats is correct,
• 46:22
  Speaker 16: that means that the four in five are criminals in Victoria,
• 46:26
  Speaker 16: which makes absolute sense because that's the rest of them.
• 46:30
  Speaker 16: That would make absolute sense as to what's going on
• 46:32
  Speaker 16: in Victoria, because they're the only ones that would feel
• 46:34
  Speaker 16: safe at home.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: The only ones who feel safe have gotten machetes in
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: their hands and bala class on their heads here reckon, Yeah, thanks,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: thanks Marcus. It's even worse than we thought. Now I've
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: got to show everybody to share with everybody a bit
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: of a preview of Tim's not Tim's, of Mark's new
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: cartoon series, The Please explain the series is coming back
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: for a fourth time.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Have a look where back white person.
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: Beautiful.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Didn't you recognize anybody from your family Christmas party?
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: There? Tim?
• 47:45
  Speaker 10: That's rarely in the first few few episodes. Just just
• 47:47
  Speaker 10: to put all this incredible social phenomenon in context, the
• 47:51
  Speaker 10: first person who ever alerted me to these Brillian cartoons
• 47:54
  Speaker 10: was a labor voter, a lifelong labor voter friend of mine.
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: He said, you've got to look at this hilarious thing
• 47:58
  Speaker 10: making fun of Scomo. Of course he didn't enjoy it
• 48:01
  Speaker 10: much with it of Albanisi and others there. And now
• 48:06
  Speaker 10: we've got Julie Zago, a brilliant writer who used to
• 48:09
  Speaker 10: be with The Age, now writing for The Australian and independently,
• 48:12
  Speaker 10: and she's writing about how she sits down with her
• 48:14
  Speaker 10: family to enjoy the Police Explain cartoon. So it's crossed
• 48:17
  Speaker 10: over so many fantastic it's doing great work.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: It is great stuff. But don't blush. Don't blush there, Mark,
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: we love it. We can't wait for the fourth series.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Good stuff. Thanks for joining us. We'll catch both of
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: you next week. Just a little bit of time to
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: squeeze in some of your feedback on what's happening with
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: this ceasefire. One viewer says, let's wait and see what
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: happens in the next two weeks. One thing is for sure.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: The operation to destroy Iran's military has been excellent, and
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Brett says, I can't see how any of this is
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: an improvement on where things were a month ago.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Well, Iran has.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Been certainly debilitated, but we'll come back to all of
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: that next week.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. Peter Creenlin's up next go the
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: crows