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Unraveling The Mystery: Bon Scott's Life and Untimely Death [Episode 226] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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  Speaker 1: is Jesse Fink, the author of the twenty thirteen bestseller
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  Speaker 1: The Youngs The Brothers Who Built a CDC and the
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  Speaker 1: highly acclaimed twenty seventeen book Bond the Last Highway. He's
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  Speaker 1: just released a follow up to that book, titled Bond
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  Speaker 1: Notes from the Highway. Thinks Bond the Last Highway became
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  Speaker 1: an international sensation and is now recognized as the definitive
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  Speaker 1: biography of Bon Scott. Fans have been clamoring for more
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  Speaker 1: to the bon Scott's story, and with Bond Notes from
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  Speaker 1: the Highway, he explores in greater detail the most significant
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  Speaker 1: relationship he had with a woman during his life. Mwse
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  Speaker 1: and Recluse silver Smith, who died in twenty sixteen and
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  Speaker 1: granted Jesse her last ever interviews. The full interviews with
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  Speaker 1: silver are published here for the first and only time.
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  Speaker 1: It draws a close to the investigation Jesse had led
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  Speaker 1: into Bond's death, confirming his original findings. Released to coincide
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  Speaker 1: with the fiftieth anniversary of Bond's joining ACDC in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy four, Jesse has left no stone unturned in his
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  Speaker 1: quest to understand Bond Scott the real man. Let's find
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  Speaker 1: out what's inside the book with author Jesse Fink. Find
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  Speaker 1: a playlist of Bon Scott era ac DC in this
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  Speaker 1: episode show notes, Jesse, thanks so much for coming out
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  Speaker 1: of talk about the new book.
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  Speaker 2: Great to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Eric tell us how this follow up to The Last
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  Speaker 1: Highway came to be.
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  Speaker 2: Well, first st you know, the probably my most popular book.
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  Speaker 2: It sold around the world, and it was translated into
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  Speaker 2: various languages, less than my previous book, The Youngs, but
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  Speaker 2: it actually sold more copies. So, you know, people who
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  Speaker 2: are fascinated by Bond, and you know, I have a
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  Speaker 2: Facebook group called Bond Scott Forum, which has about sixteen
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  Speaker 2: thousand sort of members and they're sort of posting about
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  Speaker 2: Bond every day. And of course, the you know, the
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  Speaker 2: main themes of that book, which were, you know, how
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  Speaker 2: did Bond die and what was his involvement in Back
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  Speaker 2: in Black are still two questions that people are fascinated by.
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  Speaker 1: And so.
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  Speaker 2: I had a lot of material sort of left over
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  Speaker 2: from you know, writing Bond the Last Highway, quite a
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  Speaker 2: significant amount of stuff, and the fiftieth anniversary of you know,
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  Speaker 2: Bond joining a c DC was coming up, and I thought, well,
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  Speaker 2: I've got all this stuff, you know, basically sitting here
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  Speaker 2: unused one and I sort of turned it into a book.
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  Speaker 2: So I sort of began the process of sort of
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  Speaker 2: collecting all that material, and I also sort of continued
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  Speaker 2: sort of researching more into his death and sort of
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  Speaker 2: came across some new information about that which more or
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  Speaker 2: less kind of confirmed everything that I had sort of
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  Speaker 2: argued in the first book. But it was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: pretty compelling stuff. And I've also got an interview with
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  Speaker 2: Peter Eric from The Only Ones. Peter Perrott is significant
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  Speaker 2: in the Bond story because he is the husband of
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  Speaker 2: Xena Cocoley. Xena Cocooley was the manager of the band
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  Speaker 2: Lonesome No More, which featured future Colt guitarist Billy Duffy,
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  Speaker 2: and they were performing at the Music Machine the night
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  Speaker 2: Bond died. So he turned up at the Music Machine
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  Speaker 2: on the invitation of Xena co Cooley to come and
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  Speaker 2: see this band, and he turned up with Alistair Knear
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  Speaker 2: and Alistair Knear and Bond sort of disappeared into the
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  Speaker 2: you know, the backstage area of the Music Machine. They
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  Speaker 2: were seen at the bar by Billy Duffy himself. And
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  Speaker 2: Zena told me when I interviewed her back in twenty
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  Speaker 2: sixteen or twenty fifteen for the book, that she had
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  Speaker 2: actually gone back with Bond, Scott and Alistair Kaneer to
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  Speaker 2: Canea's apartment in East Dulis and Kneer's apartment in East
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  Speaker 2: Dulwich was where Bond's body was found the next day.
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  Speaker 1: And Kania was just a friend, right, somebody hung out
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  Speaker 1: with Barn.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't call him a friend he was, but he
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  Speaker 2: was someone who had been introduced to Bond through silver Smith.
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  Speaker 2: Now silver Smith was was Bond's news ex girlfriend, someone
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  Speaker 2: that he was a bit obsessed by. Essentially sort of
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  Speaker 2: all the songs on power age are about silver. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Gone Shooting is clearly about silver. And that was a
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  Speaker 2: song about when they broke up in Indianapolis in seventy seven.
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  Speaker 2: And so getting back to Parrot, I mean, Perrot was
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  Speaker 2: someone who I was interested in because obviously he had
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  Speaker 2: a reputation for using hard drugs. He's made no secret
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  Speaker 2: of his dalliances with drugs during his career. And a
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  Speaker 2: French reader, a guy called Patrick Beaumont, read the first
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  Speaker 2: edition of Bond The Last Highway, and he wrote me
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  Speaker 2: a letter from his home in France and said, oh, look,
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  Speaker 2: I love the book. I just wanted to let you
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  Speaker 2: know about a two thousand and nine interview with Peter
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  Speaker 2: Perrott that was published in a Paris rock magazine where
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  Speaker 2: Peter Perrett told the French interviewer that he had met
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  Speaker 2: Bob Scott and he was also there. Right. So I
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  Speaker 2: had Zena Cocoley telling me one story, which was that
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  Speaker 2: she was alone with Kenia and Bond back in East Knowledge,
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  Speaker 2: and then I had this interview in French with this
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  Speaker 2: French journalist where Peter Parrot is saying that he also
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  Speaker 2: met Bond and that conceivably there were more people than
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  Speaker 2: three people back in ease dollars, right, So there was
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  Speaker 2: a bit of a contradiction between these two reports. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I of course went back to Peter Parrot and Xena Cocoley,
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  Speaker 2: who were still together, and said, can you clarify exactly
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  Speaker 2: what happened because there's a bit of a discrepancy between
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  Speaker 2: the two stories here, and I heard nothing. So this
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  Speaker 2: was going back sort of at the sort of the
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  Speaker 2: height of the pandemic. But I was preparing an updated
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  Speaker 2: version of Bond the Last Highway for the United States.
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  Speaker 2: But I heard nothing back from Parrot at all, and
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  Speaker 2: nothing from Zena, even though Zena had been quite sort
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  Speaker 2: of opened with me when I first contacted her. And
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  Speaker 2: then as I was putting this books together, I got
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  Speaker 2: this sort of furious message on Facebook from Peter Perrot
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  Speaker 2: himself saying that someone had sort of written on his
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  Speaker 2: private Facebook wall that he'd killed bon Scott and somehow
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  Speaker 2: this has got back to me that it's something that
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  Speaker 2: I had written, and I had never said Perrott had
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  Speaker 2: killed bon Scott or anything of the sort. I'd just
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  Speaker 2: reported basically what was in the French interview, And you know,
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  Speaker 2: he was quite sort of livid and was sort of saying,
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  Speaker 2: you need to correct this story and so on, and
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  Speaker 2: I ended up sort of having this very animated and
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  Speaker 2: heated discussion with him that sort of went on for
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  Speaker 2: the better part of a day or two days, where
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  Speaker 2: I more or less got the opportunity to kind of
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  Speaker 2: ask him every question that I had wanted to ask
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  Speaker 2: him about what he knew about Bonds last night. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the interesting thing was that Perrot denied ever meeting Bond
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  Speaker 2: Scott and sort of suggested to me that the French
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  Speaker 2: interview had been a fabrication, that he had no memory
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  Speaker 2: of it. He had no memory of actually participating in
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  Speaker 2: this particular interview. But the guy who conducted the interview
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  Speaker 2: was a very well known French music journalist. He worked
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  Speaker 2: the French Rolling Stone, and I was unable to contact
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  Speaker 2: him because he had been killed in a terrorist attack
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  Speaker 2: in Paris in twenty sixteen. He was one of the
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  Speaker 2: audience members shot by Islamic or Islamist terrorists in that
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  Speaker 2: Eagles of Death men.
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  Speaker 1: Oh Man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it wasn't like I could go back to
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  Speaker 2: him and say, hey, look, have you got the tape?
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  Speaker 2: Have you got it? You've got the tape of Parrot
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  Speaker 2: talking to you or anything like that. So I had
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  Speaker 2: this sort of weird exchange with Parrot in which he
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  Speaker 2: was casting doubt on the veracity of the of the
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  Speaker 2: comments that were attributed to him. But they were significant
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  Speaker 2: because essentially they were saying that he was there. And
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  Speaker 2: people can can read the full exchange in the in
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  Speaker 2: the book because I've I've written a chapter about it,
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  Speaker 2: and for you know, people who are interested in the
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  Speaker 2: sort of the story of the death of Bond Scott
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  Speaker 2: sort of Peter Perrott has always been a sort of
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  Speaker 2: a chapter that you know, people have been waiting to
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  Speaker 2: see written. So now I've had an opportunity to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And I wasn't expecting him to get in touch at all.
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  Speaker 2: So by the end of it, though he and I
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  Speaker 2: basically agreed to disagree, he got very pissed off of me.
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  Speaker 2: He sort of ended up blocking me on Facebook after
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  Speaker 2: he had reached out. It was a very strange sort
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  Speaker 2: of interaction. Yeah, and well then, I mean, over the years,
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  Speaker 2: I've been approached by various people to turn on the
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  Speaker 2: Last Highway into a documentary, like the documentary about the
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  Speaker 2: last twenty four hours of Bond's life, because it was
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  Speaker 2: a very murky tale. And you know, one director that
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  Speaker 2: I spoke to you said, you know, the key people
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  Speaker 2: in this entire story is Xena Cooley and Peter Perrott,
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  Speaker 2: because they're the only two that really are alive to
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  Speaker 2: this day. I spoke to Cooler Ka Cooley, who was
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  Speaker 2: Perrot's sister in law and Zena's sister who was the
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  Speaker 2: singer for the band Lonesome No More that Night, who
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  Speaker 2: went on to become a dominatrix in England, and she
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  Speaker 2: passed away, but not before telling me, you know, that
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  Speaker 2: she thought Bond had done heroin that night. So Xena
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  Speaker 2: told me that she thought that Bond had done heroin.
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  Speaker 2: Cooler told me that she thought Bond had done heroin,
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  Speaker 2: and Perrot was interviewed by the Sprens journalist saying that
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  Speaker 2: he also thought Bond had done heroin. Right, So that's
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  Speaker 2: three people, three people, and then you take into account
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  Speaker 2: that Alistair Knear was a heroin dealer. Right. So since
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  Speaker 2: the book came out, I've spoken to other people who
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  Speaker 2: have told me more about sort of of Alistairs sort
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  Speaker 2: of connections in the London drug world, and one of
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  Speaker 2: them was interviewed for this book. So you know, another reader,
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  Speaker 2: this time in Hungary got in touch with me and
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  Speaker 2: he said, have you heard of this woman called lose Elliott?
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  Speaker 2: And I hadn't, and he put me in touch with
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  Speaker 2: Loz Elliott, and Lose Elliott turned out to be an
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  Speaker 2: old friend of Alestairkneer's from the early eighties. And I
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  Speaker 2: asked her and said, you know, would you be prepared
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  Speaker 2: to kind of talk to me for the book about
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  Speaker 2: Alistair Kaneer and bol Scott And she agreed, and she
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  Speaker 2: said that Alistair Kanear had turned up to her flat
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  Speaker 2: that she shared with her boyfriend at the time, and
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  Speaker 2: Alistair Kanere had said, rather tearfully that he had given
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  Speaker 2: the heroine to bond that had killed him, and he
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  Speaker 2: was advised by Liz and her boyfriend at the time
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  Speaker 2: to kind of lay low and you know, not say anything.
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  Speaker 2: And she said in this in this response to me,
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  Speaker 2: she said both her and her boyfriend were absolutely shocked,
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  Speaker 2: and Alistair was shocked that nothing came up in the
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  Speaker 2: in the death certificate, that there were no there was
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  Speaker 2: no mention of heroin, that they believed that someone had
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  Speaker 2: been paid off. So all of this reinforces kind of
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  Speaker 2: the the argument and the case that I made in
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  Speaker 2: Bond The Last Highway that Bond died of a heroin overdose,
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  Speaker 2: that it wasn't reported on his death certificate, and that
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  Speaker 2: people like Pete Way and Paul Chapman, who has since departed,
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  Speaker 2: were telling me the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's mind blowing. Yeah, that's what was the official
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  Speaker 1: cause it's alcohol poisoning. Was that the.
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  Speaker 2: Acute alcohol cute alcohol poisoning. So and the other thing
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  Speaker 2: that I came in into possession of was there was
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  Speaker 2: an old news report where Bond's blood alcohol level was reported.
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  Speaker 2: Now I hadn't been able to find that sort of
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  Speaker 2: when I did the the first version of the book,
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  Speaker 2: but I came into possession of this clipping, and the
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  Speaker 2: blood alcohol level was about half of Amy Winehouse, right,
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  Speaker 2: who died from the same thing. So it wasn't a
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  Speaker 2: significant amount of alcohol that put Bond under the ground.
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  Speaker 2: There was something else. And so you know, the case
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  Speaker 2: that I made in the first book I think is
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  Speaker 2: rather solid, and there's more information in this book that
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  Speaker 2: basically reinforces that book.
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  Speaker 1: Podcast will be back after this.
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  Speaker 2: If you must not see anybody, want to talk to anybody,
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  Speaker 2: and if you do, because I have serious people cussins
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  Speaker 2: on future events.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can certainly understand why those who were there,
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  Speaker 1: like Alistair Kanear, why they wouldn't want to see anything
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  Speaker 1: for for reasons that are obvious. They don't they don't
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  Speaker 1: want to take the heat for it. But the fans
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  Speaker 1: come at you too. Why is it they just feel
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  Speaker 1: that it puts the stain on Bond's legacy to know
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  Speaker 1: that that's how he died instead.
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  Speaker 2: Of I think it's a funny one because.
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  Speaker 1: That I never really understood. I mean, it's I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Really understand anything because I mean not being the subject
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  Speaker 2: of death threats, so that sort of people just just
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  Speaker 2: say the most insane stuff about me online. I've had,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I had, I had a friend in New
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  Speaker 2: Orleans actually sort of go to the FBI about these
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  Speaker 2: threats that I was getting. I needed someone to kind
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  Speaker 2: of do something about it because I was quite quite concerned.
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  Speaker 2: Like seriously, you know, I'm just a rock biographer and
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  Speaker 2: all of them. All I'm doing is trying to kind
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  Speaker 2: of figure out what exactly what happened that night. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sort of sort of impugning Bond by suggesting that
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  Speaker 2: he had any connection to heroin. I mean it was
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  Speaker 2: already well established that he did. You'd already had a
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  Speaker 2: couple of overdoses. That was that was, that was well known.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, nick NICKI six wrote an entire book about it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that doesn't mean it's it's it's rock and
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  Speaker 1: roll and yeah. Now stars do stuff that not the
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  Speaker 1: average person does.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I can't say who this particular person is,
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  Speaker 2: but it's a woman. She's very well known for her
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  Speaker 2: connection to Bond Scott, who publicly says that he had
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  Speaker 2: nothing to do with heroin. But then I saw an
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  Speaker 2: email that she has mentioned it, and the person is
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  Speaker 2: sort of telling me this information, says that she believes
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  Speaker 2: that he died of a heroin overdose. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: people say things privately, but they don't say it publicly.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm the one who who's sort of been, you know,
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  Speaker 2: mown down with a machine gun for kind of stating
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  Speaker 2: the obvious. Yeah, and it's it's okay because that's the
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  Speaker 2: job of a biographer or of a historian. That's that's
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  Speaker 2: what you're there to do. You're there to discover and
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  Speaker 2: publish the truth. Now, in the context of nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 2: when this all happened. I can understand why perhaps the
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  Speaker 2: you know, the ac DC group and their business managers
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  Speaker 2: that's decided it's a it's a better look for us
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  Speaker 2: to you know, not credit Bond Scott for the lyrical
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  Speaker 2: contributions that he's made that he made to to kind
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  Speaker 2: of make out that it was that it was only
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  Speaker 2: alcohol that killed Bond. I can understand that in the
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  Speaker 2: context of nineteen eighty, in the context of twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 2: when we're having a more open sort of discussion about
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  Speaker 2: addiction drugs, we're more open to people's sort of frailties
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  Speaker 2: and demons, and you know, we live in a confessional culture.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's time for Bond to have his true
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  Speaker 2: story told. And I believe I've done it, not only
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  Speaker 2: with one the last time, but with the Youngster brothers
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  Speaker 2: who billt ac DC and now this book. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think anyone's got anything to fear. I don't think I'm
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  Speaker 2: sort of cutting down Bond by doing this in any way.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, I have more respect for him.
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  Speaker 1: I would say, I don't think anything less of Bonn
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  Speaker 1: and I have more respect for him, certainly after reading
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  Speaker 1: the book, because it's also addresses the myth not just
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  Speaker 1: of Barn's death, but his life while he was alive,
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  Speaker 1: because that's address in the book too. You're writing the
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  Speaker 1: forward quote. The legend and myth of Bond only seems
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  Speaker 1: to get bigger, to the point where the real man
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  Speaker 1: now bears little relation to the idea of Bond many
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  Speaker 1: fans have created in their heads, mostly from highly sanitized
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  Speaker 1: accounts of his life from people who knew him in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about the Bond Scott fans know and the real
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  Speaker 1: Bond from the people you spoke with. Because I love
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  Speaker 1: the story in the beginning about the church and Bond
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  Speaker 1: kind of teared up thinking about the church.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the thing that I discovered, you know,
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  Speaker 2: rotting the second book, was that the image that we
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  Speaker 2: have of Bond, you know, whereas this twenty four to
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  Speaker 2: seven bad chested sort of din and Clyde, sort of
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  Speaker 2: rebel rousing, sort of mischief making groupie shagging machine is
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  Speaker 2: actually sort of the opposite of kind of who he
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  Speaker 2: really was, and that he had a very different private life,
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  Speaker 2: He had very different private interests. He was a reader,
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  Speaker 2: he listened to different music. He was getting frustrated sort
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  Speaker 2: of creatively with the Youngs because he was trying to
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  Speaker 2: write more intelligent or more clever lyrics and wasn't able
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  Speaker 2: to get it through the sort of the editorial committee
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  Speaker 2: of Angus and Malcolm Young and you saw that really,
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  Speaker 2: I think in you know those great albums that he
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  Speaker 2: did between seventy seven and seventy nine, you know, there
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  Speaker 2: were some fantastic lyrics in there and quite quite cultured.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously there was like allusions to things that will go
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  Speaker 2: over a lot of people's heads, but we appreciate it
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  Speaker 2: now because he was He was a terrific writer. And
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  Speaker 2: that era of a CDC has always fascinated me because
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  Speaker 2: I listened to it. Not only does it sort of
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  Speaker 2: fulfill me on a purely musical level, but on a
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  Speaker 2: lyrical level, I love it. I always get something new
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  Speaker 2: from an a CDC song from that era, where that's
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  Speaker 2: something that's that Bond has written not only sort of
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  Speaker 2: entertains me, but it uplifts me, it energizes me. It's
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: just fantastic songwriting. And that's I think what sort of
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: a CDC is missing today. It doesn't have that doesn't
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: have that element to it. It has the sound. The
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: sound is one thing but Bond proved that there's more
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: to a CDC than just the sound, and I think
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: it was. You know, it's something that something that a
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: c d C has benefited from greatly is the persona
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: of Bond and the image of Bond, the mythology of Bond.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I think you know what he stands for, what he represents.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: It's everything that that is powerful about the ac DC logo.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: It's like when you see that when you put it
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: on a T shirt or your tattoo, it on your
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: arm or whatever, what are you telling people? You know
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: that you're a rebel, that you live life on your
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: own terms, that you're not thinking about tomorrow. And it's
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: a very appealing thing and it has been for you know,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: now fifty years, and a CDC benefits from that greatly.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: And I don't think that they are themselves today sort
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: of an accurate a representation of what the band was
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: back in the seventies when Bond was involved.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a rebel too, but soft on the inside at times.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: That the church story I was referring to Patty Bishop
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: was one of his Miami girlfriends, and the quote was
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: we went to church once and he cried. Bob wanted
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: to go in and we got caught up in the service.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I haven't been to church since. But he liked the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: music of the singers.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, so he was into gospel music, which is not
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: something that you think of it when it comes to
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Bond Scott that you know, people in the States, particularly
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: sort of the early eighties sort of had this idea
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: of Bond sort of being this devil worship.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Right and a great friend with it. Each year, the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Christmas cards, he made sure he never forgot to get
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Christmas cards to friends.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: He was always sending out letters and postcards to friends,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: and people loves him and sort of the mothers of
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: his friends loved him. He was a polite person, but
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: he also had a you know, a complete, a completely
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: sort of different personality. Also when he drank, and this
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: was one of his great problems that every time that
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: he drank to excess when he was in the company
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: of silver Smith, he always managed to fuck things up
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: or he would embarrass hi himself or you know, there
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: was a story in the first book about what was it,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Bond He was urinating in the middle of someone's living room.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: You know, like, who does that? It's crude it's juveniles.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: And you can't blame silver Smith for saying, no, I
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: don't really want to be part of that. I want
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: to be with someone who's more mature. So there was
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: a duality to him that was very confounding and confusing.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: But you know, I think overall he was an admirable person.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: He just had some terrible addictions.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if he lived longer, I think he would
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: have gotten past that or certainly made the attempts to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: get clean. And because that's what happens as we get older,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: we mature and start to realize, yeah, I got to
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: stop this. He was at early thirties. That was he
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: thirty one.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: He was thirty three when he died, thirty three, that's right.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: He looked like he was fifty three. Yeah, right, when
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: we look at him now, he hasn't looked thirty three
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: years old. Jesus Christ. You know, I'm almost what to
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: have old them at fifty one, you know, I'm twenty
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: something years older, you know, almost twenty years older than
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Bond was when he died. And that's ridiculous. So I
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: wasn't even a you know, fully formed person at thirty three.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: You know, people always say, you know, what do you
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: what do you think Bond would have done after a
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: c D. I think he would have just been like
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: a David Lee Roth. He would have left first opportunity
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: he had.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting to Dave is well read too. The best
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: lyricists are the guys who read a lot. I find Yeah.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: And the other thing that that Bond would do when
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: he was on tour with a CDC would he would
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: spend time on his own. He wasn't sort of hanging
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: out with the guys, the people that he played with
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: on stage. He was off doing his own thing. He
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: was a much older person. He had other interests. So
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: you know, he is analogous to to David Lee Roth
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: in some ways. But I certainly think that he would
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: have been you know, writing different music. You sought out
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: sort of different people to play with, and you know
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: that was something that he was interested in.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Book Rock Podcast will be back after this.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Patience patience that there everything has to be an order.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: How are you able to connect with silver Smith and
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: get her to open up about Bond as much as
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: she does in this book?
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Well, that was you know, really difficult, really difficult, because
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: to be honest with you at one point, I was thinking, well,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: how the hell I'm ever going to get in touch
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: with it or find this person. She's not on social media.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I don't really know anyone who has a connection to
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: her or anything like that. And she was a key
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: part of, you know, obviously Bond's story. And there was
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: a young guy called James Quinton. He got in touch
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: with me to tell me about this book that he'd written,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: which was a sort of a novel based on Bond's life,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: and he and I sort of, you know, exchanged emails
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: for a while, and then after about forty emails, he
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: suggested putting me in touch with Silver and he knew
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Silver and so it was through his through his introduction,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: that I managed to sort of get in touch with
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Silver Smith. And so James was kind enough to do
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: that for me, and then we started emailing. Initially, she
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: was very cagey, she didn't really kind of trust me
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: completely and fair enough, you know, she'd been She told
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: me she'd been let down by Clinton Walker, who had
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: interviewed her for his book back in nineteen ninety four
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: called Highway to Hell. And you know, obviously I wasn't
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: going to Clinton Walker to ask for his health, because
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: the more that I got into my own investigation, the
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: more that I realized that things that had been asserted
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: in Clinton's book weren't turning out to be true. So,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: you know, much of my own book, I guess, is
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: also a sort of a deconstruction of some of the
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: things that is stated or claimed in Clinton's book. And
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: so anyway, Silva and I started talking, and after a
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: while I sort of gained her trust. I sent her
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: a copy of and when I had written called Laid Bear,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: which was about my divorce, and she sort of read
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: that in twenty four hours and got back to me,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: and she said, Oh, I really love that you were
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: incredibly honest. I feel like I can talk to you.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: You know that I'm in good hands, and so, you know,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: these things take time, and then you know, I would
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: get her on the phone, maybe for ten minutes, and
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: then she might say, oh, I've started to feel really tired.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I can't do this anymore. I need to go and
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: lie down or whatever, because at that point she was
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: very sick. She knew that she was dying. She had
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: started kind of working on her own sort of memoir
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: of her time with Bond. She wanted to do it,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: but she just didn't have the energy, and I think
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: that she saw me as an opportunity to get out
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: what she wanted to say without doing the work. So
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I ended up having a dozen sort of phone conversations
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: with her, plus a whole bunch of sort of email
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: exchanges where she answered my questions quite thoroughly, and so
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: in the end when it came to actually putting together
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: this book, I had seventy pages of interviews with silver Smith,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: which is quite a lot of stuff for a woman
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: who never sought any kind of public profile, who wanted
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with sort of a CDC fans or
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: anything like that, a super private person, and who felt
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: like she had been let down by Clinton Walker because
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: of the way that she was portrayed in that first book.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: So she was very mistrustful of writers, and somehow I
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: sort of just managed to convince her to do it. So,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: you know, the seventy pages of this book is just
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: my questions, and you know, Silver's answers to questions about
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: sort of Bond's character, of her relationship with other guys
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: in ACDC, about his writing about his private life, about
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: his personal habits, and you know the reason why they
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: broke up and drug use and all sorts of stuff.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: She passed away shortly after you interviewed or the final
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: time you talked to her.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the year before the year before the book came out,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. She died, so at the end of twenty sixteen,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: which is quite sudden. When I was a bit stunned. Really,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I knew that she was unwell, but not that unwell. Uh,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: but she wasn't in a good way. She you know,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: she's kind of run out of money. She was living
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: in a place called Jamestown in South Australia and struggling financially.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: He was a steely Dan fan. That's interesting. What kinds
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: of other things did he want to do? That rof
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: limits to the to the brothers Angus and Malcolm Country.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Apparently he you.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Know, visited feminist bookstores. I don't imagine Angus and Malcolm
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Young hanging out at a feminist bookstore.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, but then, you know, yes, there was there
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: was this sort of more sophisticated side, and certainly the
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: Silver paints this picture of you know, the parties that
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: she went to and the people that she hung out with,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: which was a sort of a different level of society,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: quite sophisticated, you know, people.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Who were very educated. And I think she took it
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: upon herself to kind of educate Bond as much as
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: she could. So she was constantly putting books in his hands,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: books that she felt that he would appreciate or like,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: you know, and sometimes she would sort of give him
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: something that was quite high for Lutin that he didn't
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: understand at all, but at least he gave it a go,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: you know, history, French literature, you know, you name it.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: He was sort of reading quite a lot, and he
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: was a sort of compulsive reader, and I think you
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: see that reflected in his lyrics.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Musically. I remember hearing maybe it was in your first
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: book he wanted to do a country album? Is that true?
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Or he wanted to he wanted to expand this.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: This is sort of sort of exploded into a bit
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: of a myth. I think that that Bond wanted to
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: do a solo album, and I think it started with
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: a comment by Mark Evans, who was the bass player
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: in So when he wrote his autobiography, he said something
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: about Bond wanted to do a solo album. That Bond
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: had said that to him in some sort of conversation
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: that that had and that it was going to be
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: a Southern.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Rock that's right.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: But when I wrote the first book, I went to
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: all the guys that I could think of, you know,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: a guys from the Outlaws, anyone who was alive, was
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: still alive, who had some sort of connection to Skidder,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: and anyone who might sort of give me an insight
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: into you know, what Bond was telling these musicians that
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: he was hanging out with and touring with. You know,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: if there were, if there were plans for him to
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: make a southern rock album, surely he would have spoken
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: to someone else about it. You know, we would have
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: had these sort of plans in motion. But no one
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: sort of said anything of that sort of supported what
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Mark said. So you know, yes, you know, Bond might
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: have had an idea to do it, but he certainly
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: sort of didn't put any plans into motion or anything
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: like that. But he was into, definitely into southern rock,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: and he saw that with you know, the way that
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: he wore that skinnered belt buckle, you know, basically for
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: an entire year. You know, all the all the shots
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: of Bond from nineteen seventy nine are of him wearing
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: that belt buckle. So there's another chapter in the book
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: about that about his connection to southern rock. He was,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: he was definitely sort of leaning towards southern rock, I think,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: and perhaps if he had he had left a c
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: DC in nineteen eighty, he might have done something in
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: that genre. But you know, by then, so southern rock
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: was on the nose anyway.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that was post Skinner and Crash, Yeah, exactly
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: in the new wave.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: That whole new wave thing sort of happened in the
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: ninety eighty, right. So I don't know exactly what what
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: what Bond would have done, but I always think that,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: you know, I like to think that he would have
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: done like a California Girls style video.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say a Bond during the MTV
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: era would have.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Been fun, would have been excellent, right, So.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: He would have done something. I'm sure that MTV would
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: have said, well, we can't run this. Yeah, that's like
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Freddy Freddie Mricury dressed up as a woman, I'd be
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I could see Barn doing well. He did that, right,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: was not on stage that he dressed up as a.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Woman Countdown back in seventy five.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I love it booked on rock podcast. Will be back
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: after this.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Be right back with a snack, Jack go away.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: His writing method interesting, Silver gave you some insight into
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: that too. A lot of the lyrics are from his
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: letters that he wrote to her, and the origins of
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the lyrics that you shook Me all night long in
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: one of those letters not credited to Bond, but some
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: of the lyrics are his, or all of them are his.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I alluded to this, this perennial about earlier
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: in our discussion you know, whether Bond had lyrics on
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Back and Black, And you know, I think since the
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: book came out, the percentage of people who actually subscribed
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: to the idea that he did has increased significant. I
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: think the information that was produced in the book basically
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: solidified in a lot of people's minds that it was
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: a significant contribution made that that was uncredited. So one
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: of the one of the earlier, earliest chapters in I
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: think it's chapter three in this book, Bond Notes from
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: the Highway, is again addressing this sort of issue of
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: where the Bond contributed lyrics to the album. And there's
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: a very interesting story in there about a guy who
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: a musician who posted on a cdcfans dot net, which
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: is a sort of well known ACDC fans forum where
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: I'm sort of public enemy number one, so I don't
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: visit it very often. But anyway, this guy wrote this
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: story where he said that look, he was a he
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: was a young musician. He was recording an album with
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Mark Durnley from who had been the engineer on Highway
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: to Hell. So he was doing a band with this sorry,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: an album with his band in the early eighties with
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Mark Durnley, and they had a recording session. They were
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: sort of kicking back one night and the guy in
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: this band turned to Mark Dunley and said, you know,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: you know I've always wondered about you shook me all
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: that long. And Mark Durnley turned to him apparently and said, oh, well,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: you know that it sort of started out in the
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: song Love Hungry Man, that the bond had tried the
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: lyrics in Love Hungry Man and it hadn't quite worked out,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: so it was held over for back in Black. Right.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: That's a wild story, wild story, right.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: And the interesting thing was that, you know a lot
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: of people contacted me about it and said, oh, you know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: this person has posted this story on on the ACDC
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Fans forum and you should check it out. So I
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: read it and I was like, Wow, I've never heard
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: of such a thing. I've never thought about it. But
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: you know, the interesting thing is I think it's what
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: is that the lyric made a meal out of me.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: The line appears in both songs were a variation of right.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: And I wanted to know who this musician was, but
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: he wasn't saying anything because he didn't want to sort
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: of jeopardize his relationship with Mark Durnley even though he
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: hadn't spoken to him for decades. And then he responded
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: the same person responded to one of my videos on
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: my YouTube channel and sort of started telling the same
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: story about his band sort of recording with Mark Darnley.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Being told this story by Mark Darnley about Love Hungry
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Man and it's relationship to you shook me all that long.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: And I told him that I was really interested and
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I'd love to know more about it, and can you
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: get in touch with me privately? And he did and
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: he identified himself And I can't tell you who he
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: is because he's concerned that now he's going to get
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: sued for telling this story out of school. But I
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: did my due diligence on him. I checked out who
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: he was. I found out that he had been with
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: a band that had been signed by EMI, so it
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: all checked out. But he requested anonymity, and he basically
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: reiterated everything that he'd said in the ACDC fans forum
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: story that he'd posted for which he had been banned
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: by the administrators of that website. For god's sake, I mean,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: it's ridiculous. And I got in touch with Mark Durnley,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: and I wasn't expecting him to reply or anything like that,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: but he did. And this was before I knew who
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: the identity of this particular person who told the story.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: But I got in touch with Mark Durnley and told
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: him what i'd read on a CDC fans forum, and
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: he was very very sort of cagy and noncommittal and
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: sort of said, I don't really quite recall or it
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: might have happened or or but I can't really sort
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: of tell you exactly what was said or you know
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: it was. It was a sort of a very vague response,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: felt sort of deliberately vague to me that he suddenly
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: got this amnesia about it and that's okay. I can
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: understand why you wouldn't want to sort of say that
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: you had sort of said this to some young musician
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: in the early eighties, had this conversation. But anyway, I
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: report essentially what Dernley said. I include in the book
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: what this young sort of musician said. He was told
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: by Mark Durley. And I went to a friend that
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I've made on Facebook, a guy in Slovakia called Peter Pish,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: and he put me in touch with a guy, a
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: guy in Sweden who's been doing all these fantastic and
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: ai covers of Bond Scott. So you can go to
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Vimeo and you can hear. His name is Henrick. This guy,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: he's he's done this fantastic version of bon Scott doing
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: it you shold you shook me all that long, right,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: but with the original lyrics that I've suggested in my
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: book were changed for the back and black album.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: So that's cool.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I'm yeah. So he's done it with chartreuse eyes instead
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: of cycles eyes, right, but he's done it with Bond's
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: voice and it absolutely fits. It just sounds like a
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Bond Scott's song. But I said, I said to to
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Peter wouldn't it be or Peter said to me, he said,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: you know, wouldn't it be? Greatst sort of Henrick managed
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: to interpolate sort of you shook me on at long
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: lyrics with Love Hungry Man and to see if it
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: see if it fit? And the other day like I had.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Henrik has posted this or anything
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: like that since, but he said it was sent to
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: me privately on Facebook and the two songs completely blended
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: together perfectly. So what this this musician told me, I
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: think kind of holds up. I mean, I don't I
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: don't understand why he would benefit from from from posting
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: this story on a CDC fans. For you know, he
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: wasn't looking or anything. He was just sort of telling
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: a story. And I think it's pretty compelling because what
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: he said in that particular anecdote kind of correlates with
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: what I had written in the first book. That you know,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: the Bond was actively kind of writing songs while he
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: was in Miami in nineteen seventy nine, and that yes,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: most of them probably ended up on Highway to Hell.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: But but as with all of the a CDC albums
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: that Bond had worked on, some things were held over.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, Bond was constantly working on his songs. That's
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: why he had a notebook. He was he was sort
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: of reworking or editing his songs, and sometimes they didn't
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: quite work for that album, but then they would sort
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: of might work on on an album, two or three albums,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: down the down the down the track, and so that's
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: you know what, what's the song backstit Confidential?
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: It became? Beating around the Bush? Was that? Is that? Right?
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: I can't remember off the top of.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: My had to quickly google it. Back Stage Confidential, backs
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: seek confidential, vaccine confidential. Yeah, see, Backsy Confidential became what again.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Beating around the bush?
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: And yeah, okay, beating around the Bush. Let's see Backsy
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Confidential is an early recording which essentially turned into the
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: song Beating around the Bush.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, so you have this. This this is
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: sort of history of Bond trying things out that don't
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: quite work, and then you know, they become something else.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: So the story about love hungry man morphing into you
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: should will and out lungs sort of seems to me
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: like a very plausible thing.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: And let's just checking his website. He engineered How It
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Hell for those about the rock, Flying the Wall and
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: ball Breaker. He worked with them quite a bit.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: So he worked with them quite a bit. So he
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: was right in side the a c DC sanctum. Right.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: So he's agedly told this this young musician this story
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: while recording this this guy's album. The other thing was
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Steve Mascold, who is an Australian journalist. He sort of
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: does a bit of rugby league journalism and he also
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: does rock journalism. He now lives in the UK. He
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: did an interview with Simon Wright of as and in
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: this interview, Simon Wright said that he had been at
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Angus Young's house in the early nineteen eighties and that
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Angus Young had played him a demo of Bond Scott
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: playing drums to the song Back in Black. Right, So
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: this is coming from Simon Wright. Now, if you go
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: back to you know, Angus Young's interviews about what what
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Bond what Bond played drums on, he usually mentions two songs.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: There was there's another interview where he mentions a third
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: song and now we have a fourth song. According to
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Simon Wright that Bond had played drums on. Now it
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: sounds to me like Bond was pretty well advanced in
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: his involvement in the composition of these songs that he
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: was actually in the rehearsal studio playing drums on at
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: least four songs. So the idea that when he died
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: he had nothing prepared when it would go against all
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: of his previous working history and his working habits, I
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: think is an outrageous suggestion. It's it's it's not truthful.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: And but this is the narrative that has sort of developed.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: It starts with sort of Malcolm Young with some of
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: these documentaries that were made, you know where they say,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: you know that Angus and Malcolm were busy working on
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: the riffs in the rehearsal studio and you know, we're
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: ready for you to come in Bond when you're ready,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: you know, but nothing had been written. I don't believe it.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: I really don't believe it. And you know, to this
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: day Bond's notebook is missing. Where is it booked?
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: One rock podcast. We'll be back after this when when
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: patients with dear patients remember, absence makes the heart grow fonder.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Jesse Think, the author of the twenty thirteen best seller
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: of the Youngs The Brothers, who built E c DC
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: the highly claimed twenty seventeen book Bond The Last Highway.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: And now as we're recording this in October fifth, it
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: just came out today the follow up to that book
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: titled Bond Notes from the Highway. It's true that Bond's
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: family receives royalty checks for back.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: And black Well, that's another little mystery, isn't it. So
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: there was a guy called Vince Lovegrove who was the
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: singer in The Valentines with Bond back in the in
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: the late sixties.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: He's not a fan of Brian Johnson.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Vince Love is not a fan.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Of Brian.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Between the lines of everything that Vince Lovegrove has ever
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: said about Brian Johnson right anyway, Vince sort of after
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: his musical career, became a journalist and then he did
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: an interview with Well he wrote it. He wrote a
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: tribute to Bond on the twenty fifth anniversary of Bond's
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: death for the West Australian newspaper and in that story
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: he's wrote that the Bond scott a state which at
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: the time was into the brothers and the children of
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: the brothers were receiving a royalty for the back and
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Black album and Vince Lovegrove had access to the brothers.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: He had access to Bond's mother at the time. It
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: wasn't the first time that he claimed that Bond's family
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: were getting royalties for Back in Black. He also wrote
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: it about it on his personal blog. And then Lovegrove
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: was killed in a car accident. I think it was
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: in twenty eleven or twenty twelve, I can't remember off
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: the top of my head, but anyway, he's no longer
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: with us. But they were very valuable kind of stories
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: because they had come from someone who had a personal
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: connection to the Scott family. And at that time, this
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: this whole thing about you know, Bond's involvement and the
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: lyrics wasn't such a big thing. But since then, you know,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: the the whole story around you know, Back in Black
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: and Bond having something to do with it, it has become
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: a you know, more of a course celebra really and
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: and I think the the there's a bit of a
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: cone of silence around the whole thing. And a statement
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: was made on the Bond Scott the official Bond Scott website,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: which was set up by the Bond Scott of State.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: This was after my book came out, so that didn't
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: exist when when Bond the Last Highway was released. But
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: after Bond the Last Highway, the state really started applying
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: for trademarks for anything Bond Scott related. And if you
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: sort of look into the the applications that have been made,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: you know there's there's a lot of them, you know,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: hundreds of applications for you know, Bond Scott trademarks and
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Bond Scott Tartan scarves and bobblehead dolls and you know,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: you name it. And on the website they say that
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: the estate does not receive any royalties for songs on
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Back and Black. Now the key words there are for songs.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: It's not sort of flat out saying that they don't
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: get a payment, but it's saying that they don't get
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: royalthies for songs. So I can't answer that to dissatisfaction
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: that I would like, because the estate has never responded
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: to me that they're not talking to me, they have
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: no interest in kind of helping me with my investigation
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: of what happened then. But you have two stories there.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: You have Vince Lovegrove, who was very close to the families,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: saying that they get royalties, and then you have a statement,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: sort of an odd little statement on the Moon Scott
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: official website saying that they don't get royalties for songs.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: So you know, again it's something that I leave up
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: to readers to try and figure out. We might never know.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Ran Johnson did it respond to those accusations in his
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: book and some of the comments you feel may have
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: been directed at you among other writers. What did he
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: have to say in his book?
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Not a lot. And I was actually incredibly disappointed in
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: that book, as were I think a lot of other
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: sort of asy DC fans that they were sort of
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: expecting more about sort of acy DC and the making
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: it back and play, but there wasn't a lot in there.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: And essentially it was quite curtain dismissive of this idea
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: that you know, Bond had had had something to do
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: with it, and didn't really sort of answer the lingering
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: questions that remain. And you know, he didn't really add
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: much detail about his own sort of writing methodology or
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: you know, how he came up with all those songs
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: sort of miraculously after having very little experience and songwriting
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: prior to coming into ACDC, So he only had about six,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Co writes, I think with Jurity, with Jordy, and they
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: weren't kind of memorable songs or great songs or anything
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: like that. And then he comes up with possibly the
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: greatest sort of pop rock song of all time. You
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be all that long in the space of fifty minutes,
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: fifteen minutes after Bond's go visits him in a in
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: a cabin in the Bahamas. It's a great story. Yeah,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: it's not what I particularly believe, but that's his story
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: and he's kind of sticking to it.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: But getting back to the Naked Barn died Von as
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: a teenager had a heroin misadventure. Silver Smith talked to
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: you about what happened.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Well, there was no there was a There was a
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: drug overdose that he had in nineteen seventy five with
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: a girl called Judy King where he was hospitalized and
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: this this was an injected heroine apparently. And then there
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: was a second overdose in nineteen seventy six, which I
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: believe was snorted heroin. And this was was in Michael
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Browning's autobiography. Michael Browning was the ac DC manager before
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: he was replaced by Peter Bench and so he actually
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: writes about it in his book. He says that it
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: happened that it was snorted rather than injected. And the
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: funny thing is sort of since then, he's kind of
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: distanced himself from this sort of Heroin story and sort
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: of suggested it was something else. But I don't know
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: why he would say it was heroin in his own book.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: It's it's sort of a weird thing, but Bond. Bond
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: was around heroin substantially towards the end of his life,
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: and you only have to kind of look at the
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: people he was hanging out with in London and the
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: musicians who were taking it themselves. Silver Smith had a
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: you know, a large number of musician friends who were
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: kind of looking to score, including Keith Richards and Ron Wood,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: who she talks about in the book, you know, coming
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: to her apartment.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, here it is on Bond's heroine misadventure with
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: teenage girlfriend Judy King. That's I misread it. So it
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: wasn't when Bond was a teen I got you. Yeah,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: Judy was a teenager Judy King, Yeah, okay, booked on
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Rock Podcast. We'll be back after this.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: I think I need a break, a little break Okay.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: The night he died. Silver gets into quite a bit
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: what she thinks happened, what she knew. Can you share
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: what she had to tell you? What she thinks happened
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: according to her, Well, I mean.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Silver essentially kind of goes with the traditional story that
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: sort of came out after Bond died. The You know
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: that that Alistair accompanied Bond to the music machine, that
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: they both sort of had seven double whiskeys, that they
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: both got drunk, that Vond ended up sort of back
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: in East Dullish, was left in the car by Alistair.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Canear you had a blanket put on him, and Alistair
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: couldn't take him upstairs, couldn't carry him on his own,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: so he went back into his apartment, left Bond in
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: the car and then comes out the next day. So
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Silva more or less kind of subscribes to that story.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: She doesn't really sort of deviate from that much at all.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: So then you have but then you have, you know,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Xena Cocooley saying that she was there. You have Peter
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Perrett possibly being there, if we had to believe this
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: French interview that he allegedly did. There was a babysitter
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: inside our stairs apartment taking care of the Parrot's infant
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: child that night right, So potentially not only was there
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Alistair can here, there was Zeena co Cooley, possibly Peter
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: Perrot and Janis Hayes, the babysitter. So there was a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: group of people at the apartment when Bond was there.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: So why is that significant? It's significant because according to Alastair,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: when he was still alive, he released a statement saying
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: that basically he was the only one there and he
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: couldn't he couldn't drag Bond up to the flat. But
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: there's a whole group of people, why could Bond be
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: taken inside? And I had visited sixty seven Overhill Road myself,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: like I live in England now, I live to the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: outside London. But I went into London with my girlfriend
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Alexis when I first came to England from Australia, and
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: we sort of made it, made it a sort of
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: a little adventure for the day, and we went to
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Bonds apartment in Westminster and Alexis we were photographed photographing
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: the building and then someone walked out and Alexis held
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: the door and said let's go inside, So we went inside.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: We sort of got a feeling for you know, this
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: place that where Bondy had lived back in nineteen eighty.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: It was great for you yeah.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing because you know, I didn't want to do
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: anything wrong or anything like that.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: But she just held the door, she said, zooms bumps.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, but you go inside the building, you get
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: a totally different feeling for the place. And the thing
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: that I noticed was it was a very swish apartment building.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: It was in a lovely part of London, right in
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: the heart of Westminster. You know, now these apartments would
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: be worth five million, six million pounds whatever I mean.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: You know, it's it's it's high society London. And we
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: left Westminster. We went down to the tube. We caught
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: a train to East Dolish and it was quite a
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: journey to East Dallas from from from Westminster. It wasn't
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: like a couple of neighborhoods away. It's quite it's quite
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: a journey. And then we walked from the station up
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: to sixty seven Overhill Road where bond was discovered allegedly
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: in this car by Kenear And we went to Canea's
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: flat and it was in a pretty grimy sort of area.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Even though today it's probably a pretty fancy neighborhood in
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: East Dolish, but in those days it was it wasn't
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: a very nice place. And the block of flats where
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: where Kenear lived is not a very large block of flats.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: It actually kind of looks like a big house. It's
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: not like it's very tall or anything like that. That
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: didn't look very imposing to me at all. So the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: idea that you know, bomb couldn't be carried up to
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: the flat didn't kind of seem very believable to me.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: And there's a like a driveway right next to the
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: apartment Brock and opposite, sorry against this tiny little sort
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: of four apartment apartment Brock. So there's this tiny little driveway,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: and across the road from sixty seven over Hill Road
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: there's this massive council estate. There's really ugly Stalin esque
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: sort of councilor state right, very open, quite a busy road.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: So while I was there taking photographs with her, there
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: were people walking past constantly, you know, coming home or
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: going to work or doing whatever. A lot of foot traffic.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: And if you if you you know, you read kind
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: of ollustairs statement about kind of what happened allegedly the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: next day. You know, Bond had been lying in this car,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: this Renout five car, this tiny little car, for the
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: better part of the day with people sort of walking
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: past and the dead singer of a CDC's in the
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: front of the car. Why wouldn't anyone see him? Right?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: unless he was hidden. Right. And the interesting thing about
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: this this Loves Elliott that I spoke to for this book,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: when she told me about Alistair turning up to her
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: apartment and saying that he had given Bond the heroine
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: that killed him. She said Alistair had a van And
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: I said, so, did he have a Did he ever
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: mention to you having a Renau five? And she said no,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: he only ever had a white van. Right, So is
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: the Renaut five a fabrication? Was Bond inside a white van?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: That would explain why no one saw him?
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: I remember you mentioned that last time we talked a
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: few years back. Somebody would have had to have seen
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: him in that car because it's a small little area.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: It's a small area, so you go there, you miss it.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: You can't miss it if he was there. And it
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: still pretty much looks like it did back in nineteen eighty.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Nothing's changed, a pretty crappy little block of flats.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even if they didn't notice it was barn Scott
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: from a CDC, somebody might be like, hey, is this
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: kay okay, you are right in there exactly on the window.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: To me, it doesn't it doesn't make any sense, right.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think either either he was concealed, or he
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: was inside, or he was not an a Reno five.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: And so Liz Elliott sort of talks about this white
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: man and then suddenly I'm thinking, kind of that makes
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: sense if he was in a white van parked in
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: that driving spot in that driveway and no one could
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: look inside the windows of this car and Bond's dead
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: in the back of it. Yeah, I get it, I
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: can I can see how that would happen.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: Is Alistair Canaar still alive?
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: No, So he went missing. This is another bizarre sort
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: of part of the story. Alistair Knear went missing while
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: he was sailing from France to Spain with a group
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: of people who were friends of his in a town
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: called Estepona, which is in the Costa bell Soul in Spain,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: and the yacht was never found and their bodies were
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: never recovered.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: What year this.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: Would have been, I think two thousand and six.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: From memory, it's been a little while, so.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: This was not long after he made his statement about
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: what happened that night. So he told his story to
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: a woman called Maggie Montebarno, who is now deceased, and
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: it was reproduced in a rock magazine in the UK.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: He came out with his statement, he then disappeared, and
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: then I think it was two thousand and nine from memory,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: he was officially declared dead by a Spanish court. So
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: I got his desert and it's all official. And you know, two,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: the credit of alistairs son, Danny. Danny is a lovely guy.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: He's been incredibly helpful to me. He's been very forthcoming
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: with not only his own memories of kind of Alistair
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: as a father, but you know, he sent me alistairs
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: death certificate. He sent me the picture of Alistair that
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: is in the book. You know, so many pictures have
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: been published of Alistair Kaneer over the years that even
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: they even weren't Alistair can here. You know, people people
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: have been publishing pictures of other people and saying it's
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Alistair can here, and then other people have said that
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: Alistair Caner never existed, but Alistair Kneer very much did exist,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: and he was a well known musician. He was a
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: friend of Peter Perrott, who I mentioned before. They had
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: actually played music together, and Parrot and he's watched Zena.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: We're friends at Alistair And so there's this lots of
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: little connections about all the players in this story, and
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: it's quite sort of laboyrinthine, but very compelling and sort
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: of fascinating to me as an investigative journalist. I guess
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: you could say, because I think this is a really
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: outstanding music mystery book.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: Down Rock Podcast. We'll be back after this. Hold on,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: I just want to wind out just a few more
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: questions aside from Bond's, his life, his death, you know,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: the heroin story, just a few more the South Florida
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Mob story. There's a chapter in the book titled Bond
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: and the South Florida Mob, and you write that one
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: of the most colorful and amusing yarns about ac DC
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: is that on their first tour of America in nineteen
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: seventy seven, they played a mafia, a nightclub in Fort Lauderdale,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Florida called the four o'clock Club.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was. There was. There was a guy who
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: he's since passed away, but he was the source of
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: this story. And he said that he was working as
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: a bouncer at the four o'clock four o'clock Club and
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: that A C.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: D C.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: Had been kind of like the house band at this
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: mafia run nightclub in in Fort Lauderdale, and and that
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: that you know, you you you read the you know,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: the A C d C. Tourists and it doesn't mention
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: sort of anything but other than I think, you know,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: one gig at this place. But he said that no,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: A C d C played there multiple times. And then
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: this this guy was insistent about it. And when I
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: first was working on the book, I was very dubious
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: about it because a lot of people say things that
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: always true, you know, they like to kind of embellish
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: things and sort of play up their connection to famous
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: people or whatever. And he was just one guy telling
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: me the story. But then, you know, I found a
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: bouncer who worked there. I found it, you know, like
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: a radio DJ from the area who said the same thing.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: And I wasn't confident enough about it when I first
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: heard the story is to really put it in the
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: first edition of the book, But you know, I had
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: this thing kind of left over, and I thought, yeah,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: it's kind of interesting given you know, the people who
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: owned this club, and you know, the clear kind of
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: mafia connections of this of this place, and the fact
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: that the biggest rock band in the world was essentially
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: a house band of this sort of tiny little club.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: And I just think it's just like an interesting little
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: snippet of history. People can kind of decide whether it's
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: true or not. But I haven't seen any documentary evidence
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: other than this this little clipping that I that I
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: reproduced in the book about you know, a.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: C d C actually being I'm looking at it here
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: special one night appearance ac DC Tuesday night, September sixth, Yeah,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: with trick shot and function. That's in the book. There
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: are so many other stories in this book. That's the
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: thing that people really they they're gonna love this book.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Just one other one though, it's the one titled The
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Son of Bond, And I heard about this through I
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: think it was your Facebook page. There are two people
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: who say they are Bond's son. Are they? Who are
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Who are these people? And are they his son. One
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: of them looks like him a little bit.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm not going to mention one of them
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: because he doesn't deserve any publicity whatsoever. The other guy's
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: called Dave Stevens. And Dave Stevens sort of emerged a
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: few years ago, came out, played a few concerts as
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: the son of Bond, who essentially kind of started promoting
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: his connection to Bond and has been invited to things
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: like Bonfest as the son of Bond. And there are
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: various newspapers around the world who have kind of reported
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: that he is the son of Bond, and but there's
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: been no DNA test. The family has never volunteered their
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: DNA for any tests to confirm whether he is or not.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: And the problem with Dave Stevens' story is that he
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: has made sort of conflicting statements about where his mother
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: was when she supposedly had this dalliance with Bond Scott,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: so on a fundamental level, as as I've written in
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: this book, and I kind of, you know, write the
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: case for why I believe that he's not the son
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: of Bon Scott timeline wise, it doesn't match up that
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: Bond was somewhere else when he was supposed to be
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: where Dave steps Dave Stephens says he was, and Dave
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: Stevens has actually said on different occasions that Bond and
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: his mother had this sexual liaison in different places, that
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Bond wasn't near any of those places at that time.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: So I don't subscribe to the idea that he is
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: the son of Bond Scott.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: It's an easy way to solve a r DNA test.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would, I would. I would actually also
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: just tell anyone who is interested in this story, you know,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Google's Stevie up from the Easy Beats and then look
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: at Dave Stevens. I think I think Dave Stevens looks
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: more like Stevie right than he does on Scott. I mean,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: I could tell you that I'm Joe Cocker's son, right, right.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: I don't have a DNA test, but I'm going to
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: go and perform as the son of Joe. Are you
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: going to stop me? Right? If enough people want to
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: believe it, it can happen.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the other guy's in a band, he's
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: charging people money.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's look on a on a human level.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: I have great empathy for him. I think anyone should
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: should want to know. If you don't know who your
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: your father is or your mother is or whatever, and
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: you're seeking to find out, great, you know, I think
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: that's a good thing that we should all have some
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: sort of closure on those things. If you've had a
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: tough staff tough start to your life, I'm finding about
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: where you come from is very important. So I have
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: simply for him. I have a brother of my own
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: who's an orphan and he doesn't know who his real
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: parents are and it's affected him. So I get that.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: But it's a different thing if you're then going out
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: and promoting yourself commercially as the son of Bond and
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: making money from it when you don't have evidence for it.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: And I think that the case that I've made in
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: the book is pretty compelling, and I will stand by
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: my assertion that he's not the son of bon Scow.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Just a teaser twenty one chapters. Teaser for those who
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: are considering buying this book. You really have to buy
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: this book. Just here's some of the chapters we didn'cover.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: The kiss principle. Let's see barn in the Phoenix incident.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: What's that one about the Clangers of Clinton Walker. How
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: about the barn whitewash. Let's see what else? Oh, the
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: puzzle of Peter Perrit. There's a bunch of stuff in here,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: so much that we didn't cover. You got to get
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: the book Bond Notes from the Highway out now in
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: kindle in paperback, I notice, Yeah, so I thin at
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: one point.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: It was that it was released in paperback on October
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: the fifth, So, and I deliberately made it cheap. You know,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: I haven't done this for money. I haven't sort of
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: you know, I could price it a lot higher than
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: it is. It's actually I think a steel really for
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: what it is.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Hell, yes, yeah, I have Kindle unlimited, so it's you
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: don't even have to pay it right yeah, right there, And.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: It's only like twelve bucks for a paperback. And I
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: think it's pretty good value. If you're interested in Bond Scott,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: I think you'll be happy.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Where can people find you online? Jesse? The Facebook page?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: You have a website too, right.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: So, Jesse, thinkbooks dot Com or Bond Scott Forum on Facebook.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: If you're interested in in one, that's where I would
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: suggest you go. But but people can connect to me,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: you know, through all the usual places.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate you doing this. I know you're getting
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of interest in this book, so I appreciate
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: you taking time a lot of time out to talk
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: about the book.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: No worse Man and great to talk to you again.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: M M. That's it. It's in the books.