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Oaths In The Modern World: Are We Too Casual? [RHR S7, EP13 feat. John Deason] · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  on, right? So today's today's episode,
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  Episode 13, as a matter of fact, is going to be on a topic that
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  has gotten talked about constantly gets talked about, I
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  think, and especially in heathen spaces.
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  And that is the topic of the oath or oaths in the modern
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  world, especially understanding a bit more about the strength,
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  the power, the significance, the consequence, you know, all the
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  things about oaths from a Heathen perspective that that
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  meant something at a time that here now and today are are
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  people in general too casual about the, you know, the term
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  oath? Do they understand even what it
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  means from a Heathen context and from a Heathen worldview?
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  So, you know, that was that was what I was going to be talking
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  about today, with or without people.
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  So if you do end up tuning in and and catching this, you know,
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  please comment. But either way, let's get
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  rocking and rolling, you know? So I believe that with Oaths,
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  it's pretty obvious that at one point in time, these were things
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  that were done instead, because it was, it was during a time
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  right when when the person's word could be leveraged in a way
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  it could cost you your life, right?
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  And I'm not talking metaphorically, I'm not talking
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  socially. I mean, I'm talking literally.
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  You, if your oath was bad, like if you broke your oath and, and,
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  and you didn't fulfill it, then that was a surefire way to
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  become outlawed. And during those days and at
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  that time, you know, medieval Scandinavian and earlier, if you
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  were outlawed, you were just about as good as that because
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  you didn't have the protection of society.
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  You didn't have the protection of your tribe, of your people.
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  You were on your own. And that meant that you were
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  susceptible to being robbed, vandalized, killed, even.
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  I mean, it was fair game. So your life was at stake if
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  your oath was not kept. You know, So understanding that
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  and realizing that in a heathen context, when we talk about
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  oaths even now and today, you know, we're not, we're not
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  talking about just casual promises, casual statements.
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  We're talking about binding forces, right?
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  We're talking about things that connect and bind men, people
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  together in a social, spiritual and personal kind of a kind of a
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  thing, or at least I think we should now and today, because
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  that's what it was seen as at one time in this culture.
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  But you know, how many of us now and today, even without even
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  thinking, you know, use such words as I promise, I swear, you
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  know, I've got you, right? All of these affirming words
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  that we just tend to throw around casually without even
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  thinking about their deeper meaning.
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  And I've talked in the past, too, about, you know, oaths
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  being more than just a promise and that, you know, to say
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  something like I promise and then, you know, even I vow,
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  right? Or I swear you know the words
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  have power and our our dramatic heathen ancestors understood
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  this in their society. So for us to now and today go
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  through our existence and give any less weight or, or, or deny
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  the weight and the value of these words, I believe is, is,
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  is doing somewhat of an injustice to the culture.
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  It's it's not preserving a tradition in any good way that
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  should be preserved. If, if this is how we're going
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  to conduct ourselves right as people in that that identify as
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  heathen. This is an important part of it.
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  It's honor bound, You know, you, you become honor bound by these,
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  by these things, you know, so it's, it's probably one of the
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  most important, if not the most important core values that I see
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  needing to be really understood and focused on, right?
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  Because people nowadays that, that are not thinking too much
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  on the deeper context, the deep, you know, the weight that saying
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  things like, I promise, I swear, like if you're going to say
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  these things, then don't break those promises.
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  And that that is something that I've seen become all too common
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  in the modern world is, you know, people will say things
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  like that, break those words of, of commitment at any moment,
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  that things just become too inconvenient or not easy or not,
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  you know, becomes too challenging.
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  Becomes too. Yeah, becomes too hard, becomes
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  too challenging, becomes too inconvenient.
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  And next thing you know, where are you when you said you were
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  going to be there, you know? Right.
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  So the question I want to explore in this episode today is
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  like, have we become too casual with oaths?
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  And what does that cost us as individuals, as people, as as,
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  So, yeah, I don't know. I can't hear you, John, if
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  There we go. Is that a little better?
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  Oh, that's way better, man. That's that's so much better.
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  In fact, I can hear you now. Yeah, no, I sit there.
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  But when I say bro, like when I say brother, right?
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  This isn't one term that I use lightly.
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  And it's great to have you here, brother, and I appreciate you
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  You know it's. Oh absolutely.
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  weird. The weird do be doing, yeah.
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  But it's one of those like, yeah, anyone sitting here
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  experience to say the least for me because there's one of those,
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  you know, everyone's like, oh, brother, brother, brother, this.
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  And you know, of sister that. I feel like if you're doing
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  those kind of terms, especially since we had our talk and it's
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  one of those, I mean, the weird got weird.
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  And our webs did intertwine, but it's, it's, it's one of those
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  things that like I, I've adopted that same policy that you have
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  also brought forth. So it's one of those like, I'm
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  not, you know, I don't refer to anyone as bro brother.
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  I mean, you've got to now earn that term.
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  Yeah. In in my eyes.
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  For sure man. It's don't know, don't bro me
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  unless you know me kind of thing.
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  But yeah, man, I don't know if you saw the the the note I put
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  out to to everybody just kind of like what we were going to what
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  I planned on talking about today.
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  But you're here, so the time is yours.
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  I was I was getting into the concept of oaths in the modern
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  world. And are we as becoming too
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  casual with the term right because.
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  Oh. Yeah.
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  No, that's that's good. Yeah, because what I've seen,
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  and I don't know about you because I know you're in a
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  you're in a your own heathen space.
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  You know, you've got people up in your area that you spend a
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  lot of time around. And so you're seeing the social
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  dynamic kind of form in a newer kind of kindred model and and
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  all of this and get get get, you know, that term or the oath,
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  right, That gets obviously spoken a lot about within
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  heathen spaces. And I was saying earlier, right,
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  How in in ancient times, or even in, you know, the like medieval
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  and and before times when, when an oath was stated or given, it
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  was, you know, if you failed in that, like it, it could cost you
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  your life. And that's not a metaphor.
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  That's not a you know, that's not a social, you know, his
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  reputation gets tanked. Like yes, that, but also you are
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  literally at the at the mercy of anybody who wants to take
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  advantage of you because your protection is gone.
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  Your honor has been lost. You're now an outlaw and anybody
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  can do anything they want to you free of repercussion.
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  You're outlaws, which means, hey, if I want to knock you off
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  or whatever and and rob you and whatever, like they can do that.
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  They could do that so. So go ahead.
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  Sorry. I was going to say with the
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  group that I'm a part of. Vlad time, we are not a oath
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  bound because of the gravitas and the, the weight of, of
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  putting forth an oath. That's one of those that was,
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  you know, explained to me thoroughly the the elders of
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  that community. Let me know.
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  Hey, this is not one of those, you know, you're not, you're not
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  oath bound. We're just growing the community
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  and making it one of those better for all.
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  I'm parking so I'll be a little more stable here in a second.
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  Oh, you're. Good man out there bro, like
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  because you know the people out here, they can't drive with two
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  eyes on the road on a good day. It, it keeps me well, well busy
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  enough, but it's one of those being a non oath bound is, is
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  wild. I get, well, I, I shouldn't say
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  wild. It's one of those.
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  It's definitely a more modern approach to it.
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  I will say, granted, there's like no certain oaths that, that
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  if I take I, I know, I know that that weight to it.
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  It's you know, I, I, I'm not sure with the brotherhood and
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  all that. I I view that as an oath bound
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  in my own personal respect. Yeah.
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  And. That's the big thing too is, you
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  know, we obviously have different social circles in and
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  out of our heathen world views, but if they kind of get
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  interwoven in some ways without taking over, right?
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  It's integration. I think is is probably a good
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  integration interweaving of things because and I think it's
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  important too for people that maybe like you're you're in a
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  situation or or you're within a social construct that with
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  Glotsheim that is not an oath bound structure of things,
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  right. Whereas others might be 1 is not
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  right or wrong, but true. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  But I think it's important that do we that people that do hear
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  the two difference understand what we're talking about with
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  regards to oath, because oath thing and an oath right.
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  It's not just a strong statement, it's a binding
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  commitment. You know what I mean?
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  It's not like you can, you know, casually, I was saying this
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  before you came on, you know, like the casualness that people
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  tend to have when they say things like I swear this or I
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  promise that, or I got you or whatever.
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  Like, man, at one point in time when you said stuff like that,
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  you were held up to meet, like to do what it took to keep your
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  word. It wasn't still casual.
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  And then the way people nowadays tend to, if they say things like
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  that, and then when when they need to get you, when they need
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  to have you back, where are they?
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  Yes, what are they doing? They're not there.
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  And it's like, well, you just where was that, you know?
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  That yes, that's a lot of power in that and that I I've been
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  invited to groups where it was, you know, hey, it's a oath bound
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  group and all that. It's one of those my life is
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  busy enough, like I've got gymnastics, I've got markets,
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  small business owner on top of a actual 9:00 to 5:00.
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  So it's one of those I can't dedicate each time to each
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  weekend. It's one of those like I need
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  months worth of advance. That way I can plan accordingly.
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  And it's it's one of those sometimes the events, you know,
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  do come up. OK, yeah, we're having one, but
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  that's two weeks and a notice. And it's like, well, I've got,
• 23:46
  I've got so much on the schedule for that in this two weeks that
• 23:51
  I don't know, I can then make it.
• 23:53
  And then it's like, well, it's oath, but you know, you're oath
• 23:55
  bound or that's that's that's why I've never took an oath with
• 24:01
  a few of the local groups that are here, just because it's I
• 24:05
  don't want to go against what my word would be.
• 24:08
  And if I say I'm going to do something, I do everything that
• 24:12
  I can to do it. So if it's if it's one of those
• 24:16
  things that I can't put a for sure, guaranteed stamp time
• 24:20
  approval, we're ready to go, then I can't, I can't do that
• 24:25
  full commitment because then that's me breaking a tie and
• 24:29
  then potentially ruining friendships, ruining
• 24:33
  relationships. Oh yeah.
• 24:35
  I'm, I'm, you know. Oh, yeah.
• 24:38
  No, this is good. I've seen it happen.
• 24:40
  I've, I've lived through things like that happening because, you
• 24:43
  know, you do, you bring up a very good point.
• 24:44
  You're, you are not the only person that obviously has life
• 24:48
  commitments. You're a father, you're a, a
• 24:50
  husband, You're a, you know, again, you've got a, a
• 24:52
  commitment to your job and then you've got another small
• 24:55
  business that you're helping maintain.
• 24:58
  And then, you know, the commitments with your kids and
• 25:01
  their activities, right. And that's where I think, you
• 25:05
  know, society is different now than it was back then.
• 25:10
  The, the, the society and the way that people behaved and
• 25:15
  acted and interacted was much tighter.
• 25:18
  There was, you know, I'm in Middle Tennessee, down in
• 25:21
  Murfreesboro and, and, you know, you're up in Clarksville almost
• 25:24
  two hours away from me. That would be like a, you know,
• 25:28
  a day's ride or a day's walk, you know, and to, to, in, in
• 25:33
  way, in way back when people were much closer together.
• 25:36
  So the, the social construct of things was much different and
• 25:40
  therefore the oath bound kind of construct.
• 25:46
  First of all, I think it's also worth pointing out that I in
• 25:50
  most of the sources and in most of the the stories, the lore,
• 25:53
  the sagas, you know, when an oath is given, it's usually not
• 25:58
  always, but it's usually done by men in a kind of war band
• 26:05
  setting. So it's usually oaths of truth
• 26:08
  or loyalty from the the thanes or the the, you know, the
• 26:13
  soldiers and what not the the war ban to their war chief,
• 26:16
  right. And there's this understanding
• 26:19
  of reciprocity that I've got your back always and you've got
• 26:22
  mine. So it's very, it was very
• 26:23
  militant. It was very, you know, honor
• 26:26
  bound and and and stuff. So I think most of the context
• 26:29
  of things that we see from those sources are that it was, you
• 26:33
  know, a lot of times a, a war band setting or a war band
• 26:37
  situation. And then you've also got other
• 26:40
  situations too that, you know, like it, there's a saga, the the
• 26:45
  hair voter saga or Hegrix. It's there.
• 26:49
  That's kind of like where you, if you ever read or learned
• 26:52
  about swearing an oath on a boar, the sacred boar at Yule.
• 26:58
  That's that's where that that's, that's a source where that
• 27:01
  tradition comes from, because you know, the, the boar was a
• 27:06
  first of all, the boar was sacred to the Germanic people
• 27:08
  for a number of reasons, but especially for Frayer, right to
• 27:14
  the Swedes and, and I think the Danes, maybe even, but the
• 27:17
  Frayer was kind of like the embodiment in the boar.
• 27:19
  It was, was Frayer, right? So you, you swore your oaths and
• 27:24
  it was almost like doing so with the, the presence of, of the
• 27:29
  gods, the presence of divinity in physical form as this bore.
• 27:32
  And then that bore was sacrificed.
• 27:34
  You then consumed it. You took the power of the God
• 27:36
  within you, you know what I mean?
• 27:38
  So it was all very ceremonial, very ritualistic and much
• 27:44
  different. Now you know what I mean?
• 27:45
  Look, it's like you said, you know, if, if, if you all you,
• 27:47
  you all of a sudden join a, a group or a community that that
• 27:51
  has this oath structure in it. And then, you know, every
• 27:56
  Tuesday you guys get on a call or every once a month you meet
• 27:59
  and it's like, well, if that's what we're doing, then you're
• 28:02
  oath bound to do it. What happens when your family
• 28:04
  needs you and you have other higher obligations?
• 28:06
  It's like, what are you going to be looked at by your kindred or
• 28:09
  your group? Should you not show up?
• 28:11
  Now, I'm not the spokesperson for Heathenry all the time and
• 28:15
  for everywhere, but my opinion on that is if anybody were to do
• 28:21
  that and then hold you in a negative way because you took
• 28:24
  your obligations to your family as a higher one to them, they
• 28:28
  need to be kicked to the curb because they don't understand
• 28:32
  this the, the, the importance of, of where things are, you
• 28:35
  know? I agree with that and it's one
• 28:39
  of those I think a lot too. It does come with that kind of
• 28:42
  militaristic, you know, ideally the the shield of arms, it's a
• 28:46
  band of brothers. It's something like that.
• 28:49
  But like you said, if there's one of those things that it's
• 28:51
  like, hey, can I cuss? Yeah, yeah.
• 28:57
  Yeah, OK, so so it's one of those if I'm going through some
• 29:02
  pretty major shit and it's like, and it's like, hey, I've got
• 29:09
  prime example 2 weekends ago with my son.
• 29:13
  If we're all together and I get a call saying, hey, this has
• 29:16
  happened to your kid and I have to drop everything and run.
• 29:20
  And then I am ostracized because of that.
• 29:24
  I can assure you I would no longer have been a part of it.
• 29:28
  But it's also one of those I would have also seeked to see
• 29:34
  whoever was saying, you know, well, if you're going to
• 29:38
  prioritize, prioritize them over us.
• 29:43
  Yeah, I'm but, but for me, that military, that that instinct and
• 29:48
  I know when oats are spoked and everything like that, it's it's
• 29:51
  a it's a deep time together. And it's one of those times
• 29:53
  where you feel it in the spirit in your body.
• 29:57
  I mean, you feel it everywhere. But also, are you carrying it on
• 30:04
  like it traditionally should be? If it's, you know, let's say
• 30:08
  Jesse, man, I, I need, I need you here.
• 30:13
  I have a feeling without a shadow of doubt that you would
• 30:16
  be like, where are we meeting shovels needed, You know, who's
• 30:21
  driving? And it's it's one of those that
• 30:24
  feeling, and I hope you do feel the same, but it's one of those
• 30:27
  going through and building. It's an unspoken oath.
• 30:30
  But nonetheless, it's one of those the I've got your back.
• 30:33
  You've got mine in a much truer sense.
• 30:38
  And not to not to negate, you know, if anyone is going to
• 30:42
  listen, comment, chime in, not to negate any oaths that people
• 30:46
  have put out there. I'm not I'm not a fan of doing
• 30:51
  oaths that are that are like, hey, we're precedent over
• 30:55
  everything. If you can't, like you said, to
• 30:58
  have that open mind or you cannot see that, hey, you get to
• 31:03
  know me. You know, my family is key part
• 31:07
  of my life built it up. Happy home, happy life, happy
• 31:12
  kids, happy wife, all of it. Shoot the dogs, even just living
• 31:17
  his best, best life. But it's one of those, you know,
• 31:22
  coming over stuff like that. You're entering my house.
• 31:25
  My whole it's, it's, it's just a love and embrace and it's
• 31:29
  something like that. It's, it's, it's a lot of an
• 31:32
  unspoken oath that I do hold. Myself personally.
• 31:36
  Versus, you know, sitting there saying, you know, hey, Jesse, I
• 31:39
  swear to you this or hey, you know, glad time I.
• 31:43
  Swear that. This I don't.
• 31:45
  I don't want to do that kind of oath work because life is life
• 31:50
  and it all changes so fast. Yeah, and you know when you.
• 31:56
  Mention that with, you know, about your child, like, and, and
• 31:59
  you say, you know, if, if the situation was like, you know,
• 32:02
  somebody thought less of you for having to take that
• 32:06
  responsibility over theirs. I mean, why weren't they going
• 32:10
  with you to take care of this? Like, I'm right beside what do
• 32:14
  you need me to do? How can I shift the whole thing
• 32:16
  where it's not about you being there for me.
• 32:18
  It's now I got to be there for you because that's, that's
• 32:20
  really and truly, honestly, I think the, the, the backbone of,
• 32:24
  of just good relationships, but especially in Heathenry is this,
• 32:28
  it's reciprocal, you know, so I'm not just expecting you to be
• 32:31
  there for me when I need you. You're expecting me to be there
• 32:34
  for you when you need me. And there's this, you know,
• 32:37
  understanding of, again, we live in a time where our obligations
• 32:41
  are ours. And I understand that just
• 32:43
  because I might be having a bad day or something that if you
• 32:46
  know, you might you, he, they, whatever might not be able to
• 32:49
  just drop what they're doing and come to my aid at a moment's
• 32:52
  notice. And I don't hold that against
• 32:54
  them. We shouldn't hold that against
• 32:56
  people because they might have more important obligations to
• 32:59
  tend to. And that's, that's that's.
• 33:03
  Maintaining and. Preserving their honor with
• 33:06
  their people, you know, they're their innermost, right?
• 33:08
  So all these other relationships that we have, it's again, the
• 33:11
  way the world is and the way our relationships are with people.
• 33:14
  We can become so closely bound to people through, you know,
• 33:20
  through ritual, through, through actual work, you know, through,
• 33:23
  through being there for one another in our darkest times.
• 33:25
  And we've developed this, you know, feeling of kinship.
• 33:28
  I mean, I know you know that. Yeah.
• 33:32
  Without. Having to say.
• 33:34
  I'll be there for you. We just know that we have that
• 33:37
  feeling. There's that shared spirit
• 33:39
  between those types to know. Like I don't even have to put
• 33:43
  this in writing or swear an oath legally or anything like that,
• 33:47
  right? It's, it's understood, asking a
• 33:51
  fellow brother. To sit there and explain a
• 33:52
  situation that is happening with me that you know, is a hard one
• 33:58
  while I'm rushing, you know, to a hospital.
• 34:01
  It's one of those it's not a it's a shared bird.
• 34:05
  It reminds me around you. Everyone talks about, you know,
• 34:08
  a gift for gift and everything like that.
• 34:09
  But that's true. Really and truly, that's what I
• 34:13
  feel it the. Reciprocal.
• 34:16
  It's. The gift for the gift, it's one
• 34:17
  of those, hey, we're doing game night this weekend.
• 34:21
  Come on down. You know, we're going to do a
• 34:24
  game night at my place. I'm going to invite y'all.
• 34:27
  One of those. It's, you know, oaths are it's
• 34:32
  not just a a wartime in in today's world, it's not that
• 34:37
  kind of wartime thing. And I think with a lot of modern
• 34:41
  practices, it's viewed as it. Yeah, yeah.
• 34:46
  I see that too. You know, there there's that.
• 34:49
  Like I mean it might be stepping on.
• 34:50
  Some toes, but it's one of those if I'm not controversial,
• 34:53
  controversial, then I'm not being myself.
• 34:57
  You know that. And you know, you can be as
• 34:59
  upfront and as real as you want to be because again, this, this
• 35:04
  is, this goes out later on the week to everybody.
• 35:07
  So by the time people listen to this, it's already been, but
• 35:10
  like, I don't care anymore, man. I I say it how I feel and people
• 35:14
  want to chirp at me for it. First of all, I'm willing to
• 35:18
  learn and I'm willing to be taught if I'm wrong.
• 35:22
  I'm not going to be an asshole just for the sake of being an
• 35:24
  asshole, but I'm also not going to beat.
• 35:27
  Around the Bush. You know what?
• 35:28
  I mean, like, we're not wartime. We're not.
• 35:32
  We're not in the military, first of all, like I'm not.
• 35:34
  You live near 1 the military base.
• 35:36
  But you know what I mean. You're not a service member.
• 35:38
  I'm not. Yeah.
• 35:40
  But but I think like. Regardless of all that, one of
• 35:44
  the things that I keep going back to with the oath and it
• 35:48
  kind of ties into the right what you talking earlier about with
• 35:50
  the kinship titles, you know what I mean?
• 35:52
  And how it it takes doing of things to rely to be reliable to
• 35:59
  to feel like I can rely on you, you can rely on me.
• 36:02
  That's what honor and reputation and all that's about.
• 36:04
  It's tied directly to reliability.
• 36:08
  Can I rely on my people? Can they rely on me?
• 36:11
  Am I reliable? Are they reliable?
• 36:13
  And, and the only way that that is determined is through doing
• 36:19
  things and through tying Weir together.
• 36:22
  It's not about talking about it. Getting on a Zoom call once a
• 36:24
  month and saying Skull Brother this or that across the screen,
• 36:29
  you know what I mean? Yeah, no, it's.
• 36:31
  It's getting out there. It's, it's doing the damn work.
• 36:34
  It's, you know, it's, it's, it's, it is, it's, it's walking,
• 36:38
  it's spending the time, it's, it's getting weird in the weird
• 36:44
  together. And that's, that's one of those.
• 36:47
  I mean, I, I do think back to the first time I met you and all
• 36:50
  that and think, you know, conversations, we've had private
• 36:55
  conversations where, you know, I've got off crying.
• 36:58
  You have got off crying. And it's one of those like, are
• 37:00
  you OK? And it's like, yes, didn't know
• 37:05
  I needed it, but yes, you know, so it's one of those pulling.
• 37:13
  Pulling for each other with. Each other, you know we're In
• 37:17
  Sync where you know, if you're pulling, if you're pulling, I'm
• 37:20
  right there just rowing right beside you, just weathering this
• 37:24
  storm weather and whatever the fuck has been going on.
• 37:28
  That's it, man. And how?
• 37:29
  And how? Much of A you know, how, how,
• 37:32
  how much of A relief is that to feel when you've been so used to
• 37:36
  having to row your own ship? Oh my gosh.
• 37:41
  You know, You know what? I'm talking about like, yes,
• 37:44
  yes, you've got people. Beside you, but they're not
• 37:45
  doing. Anything, they're not
• 37:47
  participating, they're not being present.
• 37:48
  They're just, if anything, they're, they're like they're
• 37:50
  not doing anything or they're taking you for a ride and
• 37:53
  they're trying to get everything out of you that they can for
• 37:55
  themselves instead of giving anything in return.
• 38:00
  So yeah, that one, that one right there that that hits so,
• 38:05
  so hard and so close to home because it's one of those like,
• 38:09
  I don't, I didn't. Have my.
• 38:12
  Core group of people five years ago, 3-3.
• 38:17
  How long have we known each other?
• 38:19
  3-4 years, Something like that. I think it's Shadowmoot.
• 38:24
  Yeah, because I think. Shadowmoot That that that was
• 38:28
  the that that that first shout out.
• 38:30
  Moot that. That Jerry and they all did at.
• 38:35
  Don's there the the hell bloat at the end of the night.
• 38:40
  I think that was 2022 or 2023. So yeah, about 3-4 years now,
• 38:47
  3-4 years. So it's one of those.
• 38:48
  It's been a building relationship and it's one of
• 38:50
  those over this past year even we've got Tiger.
• 38:54
  It's, you know, it's one of those, one of those things that
• 39:00
  for me. Having.
• 39:02
  You, everyone else, you know, all those that I hold in my
• 39:07
  heart. I'm I'm not used to it.
• 39:12
  The stubborn side of me is one of those.
• 39:14
  I've been so stubborn, so headstrong with the no one.
• 39:19
  Else is doing it so. I'm just going to do it by
• 39:21
  myself, you know, one of those kind of scenarios and it this
• 39:28
  past March, this, this. Month has been.
• 39:32
  A rough one, but it's been one of those of being.
• 39:38
  Stubborn could. Have quite literally cost me
• 39:42
  everything could have cost me, you know ties friends, people I
• 39:48
  do call brothers that I don't you know I built this time up
• 39:52
  and if I would have remained in that same stubborn hard headed
• 39:56
  two years ago, I would have been like you know what fuck this I'm
• 39:59
  done I. Can handle it by.
• 40:03
  Myself, I don't need to burden y'all burden you burden anyone
• 40:07
  else because I can carry the weight.
• 40:11
  And it's taken me time, 35 years on the planet and realizing
• 40:17
  within the past year that not only can I not carry this burden
• 40:21
  alone, but I am not carrying this burden alone.
• 40:26
  I've got you and everyone else who are just that, that
• 40:30
  rocksteady just foundation for lockstep.
• 40:33
  It's one of those, you know, if you see me starting to stumble
• 40:37
  or something like that, there's, there's, you know, call outs.
• 40:42
  And when Spirit moves to speak to us, it's one of those, one of
• 40:47
  those things that, yeah, just, you know, yeah, we've, we've had
• 40:52
  our conversations. And I don't want to expose all
• 40:54
  that because it's that's mine and yours.
• 40:56
  And yeah, no, I get you man. It's, you know, we talk about
• 41:00
  how tough it's been just this month.
• 41:02
  You know, it's I, I reflect so much around my, you know, my,
• 41:07
  my, my, my people in, in the relationships that have grown
• 41:10
  between people like you and, and the other guys that we're all
• 41:14
  close to too. But you know, and, and, but the,
• 41:17
  there, it's where we, we feel, how we feel about each other.
• 41:20
  But, you know, other people are closer than others in some
• 41:23
  different ways, But when, when push comes to shove, we're still
• 41:28
  all equal there. What I mean, we all come to
• 41:32
  that, to that, you know, if we, if we see someone struggling,
• 41:35
  it's, hey, what's what's going on?
• 41:37
  Right? It's not, it's not to shame
• 41:39
  anybody. Sometimes, sometimes
• 41:41
  encouragement comes in the form of a, a pat on the back and
• 41:45
  sometimes it comes in the form of a kick in the ass.
• 41:48
  But it's never to be, you know, it's never to be malicious.
• 41:52
  It's never to be hurtful. It's out of love.
• 41:57
  And, you know, like the things I would never have thought when I
• 42:05
  first met you, whatever it's been, you know, 3-4 years ago, I
• 42:09
  never would have thought that that interaction that night
• 42:14
  would be the start of things now, because it kind of a rough
• 42:18
  interaction, if I recall correctly.
• 42:20
  I mean, we were both kind of twisted, you know what I mean?
• 42:23
  We're both feeling our things and, and stuff.
• 42:24
  And we're both kind of, you know, maybe going too hard in
• 42:28
  the pain in some form or fashion.
• 42:29
  And but like man, you know, interactions like that can can
• 42:34
  be. That can end anything.
• 42:37
  Further and in many ways, but it didn't you know like I wouldn't
• 42:41
  say like we we kind of stayed in touch.
• 42:43
  We didn't really like Yeah, yeah, it, it.
• 42:46
  Wasn't a fallout and it it's I mean it's one of those like I
• 42:49
  know I was, I was a little out there was flowing pretty.
• 42:55
  Heavy. But it's one of those, you know,
• 42:58
  I sat there and like, even thinking about it and thinking
• 43:00
  back to it, I can, I can remember to be like, and it, it,
• 43:04
  it was a tough love scenario, but it's one of those that it,
• 43:07
  it course corrected a whole bunch and it, it forced, it
• 43:11
  forced a part of me that I was like, that makes, I'm, I'm tired
• 43:18
  of, you know, being like, hey, you know, what's up, brother?
• 43:20
  And we're all family and we're not.
• 43:24
  And and that's that, that was one of those, Yeah, it, it was a
• 43:27
  great check. And it's one of those like it
• 43:31
  depended wherever everything would have ended up, that lesson
• 43:37
  would still be with me regardless if we even talked
• 43:41
  another time or, you know, like something like this where webs
• 43:48
  are weaved and lines are crossed and we're, you know, we're woven
• 43:52
  into each other's fabrics. Either way, that right there was
• 43:57
  one of those. You know what?
• 44:00
  Holy shit. He might have been an asshole
• 44:02
  when he said it, but he's you're spot on with it.
• 44:07
  Like how you know, if I'm sitting there and I'm, if I'm
• 44:10
  calling you brother, it's it's a hey, you're liable.
• 44:13
  I trust you. I, you know, I could drop my
• 44:15
  kids off with you. Yeah, which is?
• 44:18
  Yeah. I know they're safe, no harm is
• 44:20
  going to happen, you know, granted, they're going to raid
• 44:23
  your pantry, but but it's one of those I.
• 44:31
  That that check. Was well needed.
• 44:35
  Slash deserved right in in. In my own personal opinion that
• 44:41
  is. I'm coming from the one that got
• 44:42
  checked. So it's one of those IIA 100%
• 44:45
  like, like I said, if I had to never talk to you another day of
• 44:48
  my life, it would have been OK. But he gave some damn good.
• 44:54
  Advice, regardless of what was said.
• 45:00
  Right, yeah, 'cause I do like. I think about.
• 45:04
  I think the reason probably why I was so.
• 45:08
  Heavy with the web I delivered. It to you that night is because
• 45:15
  'cause correct? Me if I'm wrong 'cause like.
• 45:17
  You. You knew of me through my.
• 45:19
  I knew of you through your. Content.
• 45:22
  And then I remember what I said, which was asinine looking back
• 45:26
  on it. I told you because it was right.
• 45:29
  It was your father's passing. It's either the first year
• 45:32
  anniversary or like something close to it, or it was like
• 45:36
  right after his passing. And I was like, you know, I'm
• 45:39
  born with you, brother. And you were like, well, no,
• 45:43
  First off, yeah, you. Know.
• 45:47
  And I think that. Like one one of the reasons
• 45:49
  probably that I think looking back on it now is is why why I
• 45:53
  didn't just shrug it off and go, hey, man, we're not brothers.
• 45:56
  But I get it while you're saying it right?
• 45:57
  And why, why was I so vehement about my delivery?
• 46:03
  You know what I mean? I think honestly is because I
• 46:09
  maybe. Not, maybe not.
• 46:11
  Consciously knew anything, but I think, I think deep in my
• 46:14
  subconscious, I think it was like, you've got to get real
• 46:18
  with this one because he's a good one.
• 46:20
  You know what I mean? Like, you got to just make it
• 46:23
  known that, hey, whether he takes it or not, whether he
• 46:27
  accepts or not, like you've got to just don't pull any punches
• 46:30
  with this. Yeah, I I mean I could.
• 46:35
  Understand that with anybody else bro, like I haven't.
• 46:38
  I, you know, could be a few others now, but like in terms of
• 46:41
  just meeting somebody that's like, oh, I know you from your
• 46:43
  content and I think this or that.
• 46:45
  And then then bro, me like that. I mean, I've never just, I've
• 46:47
  been like, listen, motherfucker, you know, he's like, here's why.
• 46:51
  Yeah, yeah, no, yeah. And but it, it's one of those,
• 46:55
  yeah, I mean, that maybe, you know, maybe.
• 46:59
  And, and it's not like, you know, like you said, we didn't,
• 47:02
  we didn't sit there and message back and forth.
• 47:04
  I still listen to your podcast and all that.
• 47:06
  And I was, you know, very supportive.
• 47:08
  And then, you know, getting to know you.
• 47:10
  OK. Hey, I've got a game night
• 47:12
  coming. I'd like you to come up, come to
• 47:14
  my hall, let's hang out. You know, it was just, you know,
• 47:19
  gradual. Thing, you know, Yeah.
• 47:21
  And it's it's one of. Those like we're building and
• 47:24
  it's a constant building, a constant learning.
• 47:27
  That for me is one of those, if you're going to be a any, I
• 47:31
  think if you're going to be any good kind of heathen, you got to
• 47:35
  constantly learn always. Stay in that space.
• 47:39
  Of always willing. To learn.
• 47:42
  You know, because there's lessons to be taught from
• 47:46
  everywhere and by, by all, it's, you know, the, the, the, the
• 47:49
  day. And you know, I'll say this on
• 47:52
  the platform, but I'll say this with you here since, you know,
• 47:54
  we're talking now and you hear it to me like straight up from
• 47:57
  the horse's mouth, right? Like if I ever get to the point
• 48:00
  that I'm not receptive to wisdom, to learning to a lesson,
• 48:07
  and you get a sense where he's like, he's, he just thinks he's
• 48:09
  the hottest shit. You have my permission to check
• 48:14
  me right there, in whatever way possible.
• 48:16
  Knock me on my ass. I'll show up to your house.
• 48:19
  I'll. Show up to your house.
• 48:20
  I mean, I've got your address. It's saved.
• 48:22
  It's one of those be like, hey, by the way, can I say?
• 48:25
  I need to talk to you. Outside.
• 48:26
  Yeah, let's go for a walk in. The river, yeah, or whatever
• 48:30
  you. Know let's go for a drive.
• 48:32
  You know. No, no, we're going.
• 48:33
  To stones. River, that's where we'll head.
• 48:37
  Wasn't that that Family Guy episode where he's like, he
• 48:39
  shows up to do towels with a shotgun?
• 48:41
  I just want to talk to him. I just want to talk.
• 48:43
  I just going to kill him. I just want to talk to him.
• 48:47
  I won't. Kill you.
• 48:48
  But I'll I'll probably make you make you wish for a little bit
• 48:51
  of something. Yeah, but it's.
• 48:55
  Also one of those. I'd hope that in the same light
• 48:59
  I, if I ever was to that point of going, you know, I, I know
• 49:03
  it, I know it, I know it. You've got.
• 49:05
  My address. Free and free and rain.
• 49:08
  I'll send you the pin to my front door.
• 49:10
  Slap me, you know. What are you doing?
• 49:14
  Come on, you know, man, I've. I've done that to.
• 49:17
  People not, not literally like this, but I've had like, if you
• 49:20
  have you ever had conversations with people when maybe they come
• 49:24
  to you and in a sort of roundabout way they're asking
• 49:27
  for advice and they're not doing it in the first person sense.
• 49:31
  Like they're not coming to you and saying, hey, man, I'm
• 49:33
  dealing with such and such, What what should I do?
• 49:37
  And then they give you a scenario.
• 49:39
  Instead, what they do is they go, well, what does one do if
• 49:43
  like they're putting they're they're they're creating this
• 49:45
  bank. Yeah.
• 49:46
  Or Brad. Or or Chad or Robert has this
• 49:51
  problem going on and he come to me with it.
• 49:53
  Yeah. No.
• 49:55
  I. And then when you do.
• 49:58
  Like when they say like OK, so. What does?
• 49:59
  One do and then you go, all right, well, here's here's my
• 50:02
  answer to that. And you give the answer that
• 50:06
  best fit, you know, you give the best advice that you can.
• 50:08
  Basically it's experience or whatever.
• 50:11
  And then the next thing that that person says is yeah, but
• 50:16
  and then everything. Else you say.
• 50:18
  Is, yeah, but yeah, but at, at at eventually, at some point
• 50:21
  I'll be like, then I got nothing else to talk to you about, man.
• 50:24
  I'm, I'm, I'm Yeah. Have you ever have you ever gone
• 50:27
  through? I've I Yes.
• 50:30
  Yes, it's one of those where you'll sit there and you're
• 50:32
  constantly, you know, Hey, my buddy Brandon's.
• 50:37
  Got this going. On and you know, he really needs
• 50:40
  to do this, but you know he just can't seem to and it's like, are
• 50:45
  you Brandon? Because you're describing the
• 50:48
  scenario that I know you're currently going through, but you
• 50:51
  don't want to admit and it's one of those like the stubbornness
• 50:55
  that hard headedness. I've and I do not like to ask
• 50:58
  for help, but it's one of those for me you.
• 51:02
  Know hey. I've got it.
• 51:03
  I've got a problem when it comes to the asking for help and I
• 51:06
  would be the guy. Hey, you know buddy.
• 51:10
  'S got this going and I'd be. Like, hey, my buddy's got this
• 51:12
  going on and then like throw a couple like little
• 51:17
  embellishments to throw it off of whatever I was doing at the
• 51:21
  time. And so it doesn't seem like, Oh
• 51:25
  well, John wouldn't do this. He's he's definitely not doing
• 51:29
  that. But it's like I'd throw that
• 51:31
  stuff into and I've been the yeah, but guy and I've been the
• 51:36
  been the one on the receiving end of it where I'm like, I see
• 51:39
  through your bullshit. You're not hearing the answer
• 51:42
  that you want, so you're going to do the.
• 51:44
  Yeah, but it's one of those it's almost like they've got.
• 51:50
  It's almost like they've got the the answers and they're just
• 51:53
  wanting you to say. Yes, they want to hear you say
• 51:57
  the answer that they have, but there that answer.
• 52:00
  If it's like, hey, you know, I've got a problem buying
• 52:03
  lottery tickets and all of my extra money goes to lottery
• 52:07
  tickets. I have no money for, you know,
• 52:10
  gas this week because I spent it all on scratch offs or whatever.
• 52:14
  If that's a scenario where it's like, hey, why don't you instead
• 52:19
  of that $20, you're going to go burn and win nothing or chance
• 52:24
  it on, throw that 20 bucks in your gas tank.
• 52:28
  Yeah, but I could win $100,000. Yeah, but you could also lose
• 52:33
  the entire 20 bucks and now you're still without gas.
• 52:37
  Yeah, well, that's not the answer I'm looking for.
• 52:41
  And what if you know, what if the ticket that I get is no, the
• 52:45
  the that time of me being the. Yeah, but like reciprocating.
• 52:51
  OK, well, we let's game plant this.
• 52:52
  If you put $10 and you could still get $10 in this lottery or
• 52:57
  whatever, just fake scenario and you know you still have some gas
• 53:02
  for the week. It might tie you over Tuesday,
• 53:04
  Wednesday, but you could get back and forth to work to make
• 53:07
  more money to fund your Lotto. But you know, while I spent 15
• 53:13
  and only put five in I need now I need an extra 5 to 10 for gas.
• 53:18
  Can you help? And I've been on the receiving
• 53:20
  end of or the the giving end of. Can you help after that?
• 53:24
  And it's. Yeah.
• 53:27
  You can't keep pouring. Into a cup that won't fill, I
• 53:32
  know. And being yeah in that.
• 53:37
  Position. People that you care about too,
• 53:39
  you know what I mean? Like there's 100%.
• 53:42
  Like, you know, I don't think you're.
• 53:43
  Necessarily a a lost cause or a bad person inherently, I just
• 53:47
  think you you, you're you're just a.
• 53:50
  Little fucked up, you know. What I mean, you're just yeah,
• 53:53
  yeah, yeah. Trying to help you.
• 53:54
  I'm trying to unfuck. You over here right and and
• 53:56
  you're actually I'm not offering anything that you're not asking
• 54:00
  of me first so at the point of being presented with hey, what
• 54:06
  would you do if or how you know how would you handle this or how
• 54:08
  would you handle that well my. Advice is.
• 54:13
  What it is, and you're free to do with it whatever you want,
• 54:19
  but if all you're. Ever going to do is.
• 54:20
  Just retort back with a what if? Yeah, but this or that.
• 54:24
  I mean, why you even but wasting my time and your time.
• 54:26
  If you already have it figured out, why are you coming to me?
• 54:29
  Yeah. It's like, obviously.
• 54:31
  Something's going. On and you're wanting a instant
• 54:34
  gratification or justification for you being OK with your
• 54:38
  problem and it's one of those if you have a problem and you know
• 54:42
  you got a problem I I argue with insurance for a living one of my
• 54:48
  favorite things to do is call people on their bullshit so I.
• 54:53
  Quite literally get. Paid to do that and it's one of
• 54:56
  those like you guys hiring no. I was.
• 55:01
  Kidding, actually, might be, might be, but it's one of those,
• 55:07
  one of those getting to sit there and.
• 55:11
  Call people out on it and. It's OK, so that really didn't
• 55:15
  happen. I just wanted to see well, now
• 55:19
  you're asking me to in in my line of work, commit insurance
• 55:22
  fraud. I think I'm too pretty for
• 55:23
  prison. I'm not going to lie to lie to
• 55:27
  an insurance company and get a charge.
• 55:29
  So to get this this for free or that for free, that's, you know,
• 55:34
  it's one of those the integrity of it, the and and then get into
• 55:39
  watching people read and body language tells so much.
• 55:44
  They're wanting that gratification.
• 55:46
  They're wanting that part of them to go.
• 55:50
  He agrees. With it.
• 55:52
  And it's one of those I do the vague yeah, maybes I can see,
• 55:56
  you know, I can try that route, but I doubt it kind of things.
• 56:02
  And it's it's one of those you got to.
• 56:08
  I. Think you need to call it out
• 56:10
  personally, you know, right up front.
• 56:12
  Don't and it it's it sounds like you're along the same lines.
• 56:17
  Maybe it's just me getting a little older and wiser, but it's
• 56:21
  I don't have time for the you know, the bullshit that yeah,
• 56:24
  but the well, I I could this is the next Tuesday problem.
• 56:29
  It's not a the the joke I used to have is like, especially I
• 56:33
  used to drink really heavily. This is a future John problem.
• 56:38
  I don't. Give a.
• 56:39
  Flying fuck about future John. John right now is having a
• 56:43
  blast. He can deal with whatever's.
• 56:46
  So it's one of those that mindset is gone.
• 56:51
  Future John is now, and that's kind of the way I've been
• 56:58
  presenting with everything going on in my life.
• 57:01
  I don't want I don't want to be the one where everyone was like,
• 57:06
  well, he just he rolled over. He let people, you know, kind of
• 57:12
  walk on them not be he never stood up for the things he truly
• 57:16
  believed in or feel, you know, feel strongly or passionately
• 57:20
  about. It's one of those if I'm a say
• 57:23
  something on my mind and I like the the joke of, you know, I
• 57:28
  think T Rex's were Dragons. It's a hill I'm dying on. 100%
• 57:33
  you can't prove me wrong. Good luck.
• 57:36
  Please argue in the comments. I will argue back, but.
• 57:42
  I think you. Know on on something even as
• 57:44
  silly as that. For me it's a fun argument to
• 57:47
  get to have because there are depiction of Dragons.
• 57:51
  You know, the T Rex, the way the wing structure would work.
• 57:55
  Yeah, they weren't. They weren't.
• 57:56
  They weren't. Shorthands.
• 57:57
  They were literally like the, the, the, the, the bone
• 58:00
  structure of wings, you know? And you know what doesn't like?
• 58:03
  Preserve in dirt is cartilage and the massive wingspan would
• 58:07
  have to be something of a hollow bone and or cartilage.
• 58:10
  Please let there be an argument. I want it so bad.
• 58:13
  I'm a will it? I mean, we learned about this
• 58:17
  back in the. 90s when Jurassic Park came out that dinosaurs
• 58:20
  were more resembling birds nowadays than lizards and, and
• 58:23
  you know what I mean? Like so.
• 58:24
  Because yeah, the chicken is the closest.
• 58:26
  Descendant to AT Rex, which you know.
• 58:28
  If that's the case, I can only imagine how good T Rex tasted,
• 58:33
  right? Can you imagine a rotisserie?
• 58:35
  Rex Oh my gosh, I do. Hate to cut it short.
• 58:40
  Bubba, I have to get my daughter from gymnastics.
• 58:43
  Go for it, man. But it's one of those.
• 58:45
  The next one, I'm going to try to try my best, hop in and we'll
• 58:50
  ramble on for a hot minute. Yeah man, I'll just hang out.
• 58:54
  Definitely. Like I said, these these are
• 58:56
  monthly on, on, you know, every Monday, every Monday, the last
• 59:00
  Monday of the month. I think it is just, it's on the
• 59:02
  calendar. I think everybody that's there's
• 59:04
  got it. So yeah, I mean, if you can, you
• 59:06
  can. If you can't, no worries.
• 59:08
  I'll still have a show regardless and we'll just rock
• 59:10
  on with it. But thank you for popping in,
• 59:11
  man. I appreciate the dialogue, man.
• 59:13
  Had a good time. Man, I love you.
• 59:16
  Man, I hope you have a great night and I'll talk to you soon.
• 59:18
  Love you too, John. Take care.
• 59:20
  I'll see you. All right.
• 59:21
  Bye. Let's see here.
• 59:28
  Yeah, you can just close your. Thing out there John you should
• 59:30
  be there we go all right cool. So yeah, Michael just saw you
• 59:34
  commented there about a few minutes ago said surprised you
• 59:39
  made it Well, it's great that you did like I said we're just
• 59:42
  streaming live now to the Chieftain and above tier on
• 59:44
  Patreon. You saw John Deessen there for a
• 59:48
  little while, good brother of mine, good friend of mine,
• 59:51
  talking about just the the weight of oaths.
• 59:55
  First of all, this this kind of the topic of the podcast, but we
• 59:59
  got into some other things too. And that's what I love about
• 1:00:01
  having people on the show. And like this is this is an
• 1:00:07
  opportunity for everybody that pledges their support at the
• 1:00:10
  Chieftain tear and above. You can come and go.
• 1:00:13
  You get it. You get access to appear with me
• 1:00:15
  on screen and and, and talk for a bit, you know, so definitely
• 1:00:21
  take advantage of it if you ever feel like it.
• 1:00:23
  If not, you just want to sit back and kind of chill and.
• 1:00:27
  Type your comments out and I'll read them when I can, and then
• 1:00:30
  by all means do that too. But some of the things that John
• 1:00:34
  and I were talking about, you know, even though they weren't,
• 1:00:36
  even though we kind of went off into the weeds in a good way, it
• 1:00:40
  really does kind of tie back into kind of the root.
• 1:00:48
  Of the of the show, right? Oaths, obligation, Reliability,
• 1:00:54
  talking about things between people, you know, like the last
• 1:00:56
  situation or the last kind of circumstance or scenario that he
• 1:00:59
  and I were talking about where, you know, somebody goes to you
• 1:01:02
  or comes to you and asks for advice.
• 1:01:04
  Whether it's a direct question of what would you do?
• 1:01:06
  Because I'm having an issue with us and us.
• 1:01:09
  Or if they're creating a sort of situation that's theirs, but
• 1:01:13
  they're not assigning it to themselves.
• 1:01:15
  And they're giving this, you know what, what, what does one
• 1:01:17
  do if blah, blah, blah, and you go, well, this was what one
• 1:01:21
  should do if this is going on, right?
• 1:01:23
  You give you the best advice that you can, and then you're
• 1:01:25
  met with this retort, you know? Well, yeah, but and yeah.
• 1:01:29
  And then it's going, it goes back to me, like if if you have
• 1:01:33
  any sense of honor between people like that, you're going
• 1:01:38
  to respect someone's time. And I'm not going to present a
• 1:01:41
  situation to somebody. First of all, I'm not going to
• 1:01:43
  present a situation that is my situation and try to pretend
• 1:01:47
  that it's somebody else's or, or hide behind anonymity.
• 1:01:51
  If I trust you enough to go to you with a, with a question or
• 1:01:55
  with a problem that I'm facing that I'm needing help with, I'm
• 1:01:56
  going to respect your time and, and give you the truth and be
• 1:02:03
  transparent in that way. And then I'm going to, I'm going
• 1:02:08
  to listen to what you have to say, whether I like it or not.
• 1:02:13
  I'm going to. I'm not going to.
• 1:02:15
  Go with a Yeah, but I might have questions, you know, what do you
• 1:02:19
  mean by this or what happens when that right.
• 1:02:21
  I might, I might not truly know and I might be trying to learn
• 1:02:25
  and those questions might come across.
• 1:02:26
  Now I'm not going to hear we have to say and then give a
• 1:02:28
  yeah, but as like an excuse or a justification as to why it can't
• 1:02:32
  be the way you're describing or why it can't be why your answer
• 1:02:37
  doesn't apply or, or any sort of thing like that.
• 1:02:39
  And when it comes to the to the oath, you know, how can you be
• 1:02:44
  reliable? How can, how can you ever expect
• 1:02:49
  to feel that closeness, that connection, even that kinship
• 1:02:54
  maybe between someone, if all you're ever doing is giving
• 1:02:58
  justifications back? It's it's at some point,
• 1:03:02
  eventually I'm, you know. You're going to, you're going to
• 1:03:08
  ask those questions. And you're going to present
• 1:03:10
  those situations and the person's going to become wise
• 1:03:12
  enough to go. I don't know man, I guess you
• 1:03:15
  got. To figure it out or, or you know
• 1:03:16
  what I mean, they're not going to invest anything into it
• 1:03:18
  because nothing is being returned back.
• 1:03:21
  Nothing is like, you know, they're not seeing the results
• 1:03:24
  of their advice sinking into good soil.
• 1:03:27
  You know their advice is falling on deaf ears.
• 1:03:32
  The action isn't happening. It's just you're hearing the
• 1:03:35
  same old complaints, the same old song and dance.
• 1:03:39
  Repeat after repeat after repeat.
• 1:03:43
  And your patience wears thin. Your patience.
• 1:03:44
  Wears out and you just go, I don't have the spoons for this
• 1:03:46
  anymore. I don't have the patience to
• 1:03:48
  deal with somebody who's going to keep coming to me asking
• 1:03:52
  about things and then not taking what I have to say to heart.
• 1:03:56
  They're not taking what I have. You know, any advice that I have
• 1:03:58
  to say to heart, they they'd rather give me reasons or
• 1:04:02
  justifications as to why this can't work or it won't work or
• 1:04:05
  there's this other factor you haven't considered.
• 1:04:07
  Whatever right reasons and excuses and it doesn't secure
• 1:04:13
  any potential for establishing any sort of bonding identity
• 1:04:20
  with them. No.
• 1:04:22
  Whether it's a spoken oath or whether it's just this unspoken
• 1:04:25
  understanding of obligation, you know, and that's the other thing
• 1:04:31
  that you know, oath it means. Obligation it.
• 1:04:34
  Means Frith. You know it's.
• 1:04:43
  It's not just casual speech. You know, you look at the
• 1:04:46
  sources when, when, when oaths were sworn on the bore.
• 1:04:50
  I was talking earlier about with John.
• 1:04:53
  You know, some of the sources are one of the sources that talk
• 1:04:55
  about, you know, men swearing oaths on a sacred bore.
• 1:04:58
  I mean, these weren't just done in private between people.
• 1:05:01
  These this was done publicly and it became something that was
• 1:05:06
  binding to not just them, but to everybody, you know, and it's
• 1:05:14
  also worth that, you know, take a look at the Beowulf saga,
• 1:05:18
  which is an old English poem and you know, understand like the
• 1:05:22
  exchange that. I can't never remember the
• 1:05:29
  King's. Name.
• 1:05:33
  So. But but the stumble that takes
• 1:05:36
  place when when Beowulf and his men come and you know, he boasts
• 1:05:41
  and he he makes this great oath to to kill Grendel and.
• 1:05:46
  It's challenged. It's it's.
• 1:05:48
  And and it's expected that you're going to do it.
• 1:05:51
  You're just going to come in here and talk a big game and
• 1:05:54
  then not deliver on it. And so if you're going to do
• 1:05:57
  that, you have to have something in place to ensure that Your
• 1:06:01
  Honor is. Protected or you know?
• 1:06:07
  What happens if you don't kill Grendel?
• 1:06:09
  You know what happens if the monster gets you first?
• 1:06:13
  You don't, and now your oath is is unfulfilled.
• 1:06:19
  What happens to Your honor? What happens to your?
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  Reputation What happens to the reliability that you.
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  Established when you came here and.
• 1:06:28
  Said this is what you're going to do now.
• 1:06:29
  You're unreliable now you're not credible.
• 1:06:32
  Your your social credit score just tanked so but yeah, and
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  there's other places to cross the source.
• 1:06:44
  Then you look at the of them all and you see repeated.
• 1:06:49
  Warnings to speak. Carefully, you know, don't over
• 1:06:52
  promise. Make sure you follow what you're
• 1:06:57
  going to say. Follow through with what you're
• 1:06:59
  going to say. There's a there was a, a phrase
• 1:07:04
  I I used to like here and I don't remember who originated
• 1:07:08
  it, but it's, you know, under promise and over deliver.
• 1:07:11
  It's better to. Make a make a statement.
• 1:07:17
  Or or commit to something that is kind of less and then over
• 1:07:25
  deliver on the result than to make these great big claims and
• 1:07:29
  then under deliver on that, you know so.
• 1:07:36
  Like we see. Many times throughout in the
• 1:07:38
  Hova mall, especially in the Hova Mall gets referenced so
• 1:07:41
  many times in Heathenry as as as as kind of the.
• 1:07:48
  Not the most important piece of. Literature, but like for
• 1:07:52
  heathens. To know how to be.
• 1:07:53
  Good, good heathens, right? Listen to the Hov Mall, Fall
• 1:07:56
  Hova Mall, like it's your Bible almost kind of a thing.
• 1:07:58
  And even though that's not what it is and never was supposed to
• 1:08:01
  be that way, you do see a lot of good practical wisdom.
• 1:08:04
  And one of those good practical pieces of wisdom throughout the
• 1:08:08
  hall of them all is to speak wisely.
• 1:08:09
  Not just, you know, talk a big game and make a fool of.
• 1:08:14
  Yourself it's. Choose your words carefully.
• 1:08:17
  Choose your words wisely. Know when to speak.
• 1:08:21
  Know when to listen because you know once those words leave your
• 1:08:25
  mouth you you got to hold up to that you know you're tied to
• 1:08:30
  that now and other people are expecting results too,
• 1:08:33
  especially with with regards to oaths because oaths are binding
• 1:08:37
  you're not just binding yourself to yourself and making a promise
• 1:08:40
  for yourself. You're making a promise that
• 1:08:42
  effects or could impact a wider audience and A and a broader
• 1:08:49
  audience, you know, and another key thing I think to.
• 1:08:55
  To remember is with. Sources to talk about people and
• 1:08:59
  their oaths and and the severity of what it means to to break an
• 1:09:03
  oath. And you know that that
• 1:09:05
  effectively put you into the status of an outlaw and you now
• 1:09:07
  you're susceptible and and you know at the whim of of anybody
• 1:09:13
  and anything that can get to you no protection you're on your
• 1:09:16
  own. We also see in the myth or myths
• 1:09:21
  of of the gods entering into. Situations where oaths.
• 1:09:28
  Get. Get get broken and and the.
• 1:09:32
  Result of that, you know, is anything.
• 1:09:34
  Probably the most infamous one or the most famous one is Fenrir
• 1:09:38
  and Tear. You know that.
• 1:09:40
  Story of you. Know the gods binding Fenrir to
• 1:09:48
  you know 'cause they see him becoming this force of their
• 1:09:52
  destruction and they want to prevent that and all of the
• 1:09:56
  things that the gods attempt to use to bind him, he can't be
• 1:10:00
  bound and then when it comes to a point of them having this
• 1:10:05
  magical fetter crafted of all these things, all these various
• 1:10:10
  things that you know quote. UN quote do not.
• 1:10:13
  Exist. Fenrir sees what's going on, and
• 1:10:18
  he. Demands a guarantee.
• 1:10:21
  And then of course. As you know, tear places his
• 1:10:23
  hand in the mouth of the wolf as they're binding him and when
• 1:10:26
  Fenrir realizes that he has been betrayed, he he he takes that
• 1:10:35
  that guarantee, you know, he he bites tears hand off.
• 1:10:40
  And so even the gods kind of pay that price, you know, in the
• 1:10:45
  stories and, and they that treachery, you know, that that
• 1:10:52
  betrayal is not unanswered and it's not unrewarded.
• 1:10:57
  It's not unpunished, if you will.
• 1:11:02
  So, you know, it's definitely seen throughout the lore,
• 1:11:09
  throughout the sagas, throughout various sources, why oaths
• 1:11:15
  matter so much. You know.
• 1:11:22
  You also got to think back in the day when when they were.
• 1:11:27
  Such a critical thing, you know there.
• 1:11:28
  Was really no strong, centralized enforcement of
• 1:11:32
  breaking your oath, right? It was society.
• 1:11:33
  It was your word, was your credibility.
• 1:11:35
  And if your word meant nothing, neither did you.
• 1:11:41
  You know, if you didn't, if you couldn't uphold what you said,
• 1:11:44
  then you were worthless. Worth was established by deeds
• 1:11:48
  and deeds, you know, words are the seeds of deeds.
• 1:11:52
  You know, you got to say it before you spray it kind of
• 1:11:54
  thing. Say.
• 1:11:56
  It don't spray it. But anyway, when you say is the
• 1:12:00
  seed that gets planted of the deed that you're going to do and
• 1:12:03
  then if you're not doing it, your credibility goes down,
• 1:12:05
  you're not, you're not worth anything.
• 1:12:09
  So with the oath. In that society did it created a
• 1:12:15
  societal order, create social order.
• 1:12:17
  It created alliances, treaties, marriages, leadership, loyalty,
• 1:12:24
  to to, to, to armies and things. You know what I mean?
• 1:12:28
  Like it was. It was so powerful, and it was.
• 1:12:32
  So influential that without it nothing would would be held
• 1:12:36
  together so. It literally shaped an.
• 1:12:40
  Identity. The oath.
• 1:12:41
  Did you know? And it's not like that now.
• 1:12:45
  It's we don't live in those times and like.
• 1:12:50
  John pointed out earlier you. Know we all have obligations
• 1:12:53
  that we are bound to, whether it's marriages, whether it's,
• 1:12:58
  you know, parenthood, whether it's other social and
• 1:13:03
  professional obligations, right? Things that we have, that we're
• 1:13:06
  responsible for, that we need to uphold and maintained.
• 1:13:12
  Getting. I don't want to say.
• 1:13:14
  Like roped into. It as if you're, you know.
• 1:13:20
  Enticed into doing it or or. Whatever, but you know, getting
• 1:13:23
  brought into this concept. Or this idea?
• 1:13:27
  Of swearing oaths between, for all intents and purposes,
• 1:13:31
  strangers. You know, people who haven't
• 1:13:34
  proven themselves to one another.
• 1:13:37
  That's dangerous business. And it's no wonder why so many
• 1:13:44
  groups, so many kindred, so many tribes, whatever name you want
• 1:13:47
  to put to them, why so many collectives seem to fall through
• 1:13:50
  and they seem to fail. There's, there's, there's no
• 1:13:52
  understanding of reality. It's, you know, reliving this
• 1:13:56
  now, you know, I again, I said before this, I don't want to
• 1:14:01
  negate, and I know John said this to you and negate the
• 1:14:04
  importance and, and how a kindred or how a tribe or how a
• 1:14:07
  collective operates with the oath.
• 1:14:10
  If that's part of the thing and that's part of how your group
• 1:14:13
  operates and that's how you make it work fine.
• 1:14:18
  You know, this isn't to discourage or negate the, the
• 1:14:24
  benefit of, of what it is and how you've been able to work it
• 1:14:26
  into your, your dynamics. It's just a call to attention
• 1:14:31
  that understand what it meant at the time and and how that
• 1:14:36
  translates into modern context. OK.
• 1:14:43
  Like with John and I earlier before.
• 1:14:44
  Like neither one of us have an oath sworn between us.
• 1:14:48
  We have. Years of experiences.
• 1:14:50
  That it would have been shared. That have brought us closer
• 1:14:52
  together as individuals into a more kinship model where we are
• 1:14:58
  assigning kinship titles to one another and we see each other as
• 1:15:01
  more than just good friends. We see each other as kinsmen.
• 1:15:06
  That in itself creates a social bond, A.
• 1:15:10
  Binding sort of relationship that there does not need to be
• 1:15:13
  word spoken to solidify it. You know what I mean?
• 1:15:17
  It's I've done that. I've, I, I have, you know,
• 1:15:21
  entered an oath web on an oath ring with witnesses, you know,
• 1:15:26
  with other men and other brothers of mine.
• 1:15:28
  That's worked. It's nothing's been compromised.
• 1:15:34
  We've been there for one another.
• 1:15:36
  We have that understanding of reciprocity, right leaning on
• 1:15:40
  each other, supporting one another, checking each other as
• 1:15:43
  necessary. So it's a little bit of
• 1:15:47
  everything, you know what I mean?
• 1:15:48
  It's it's worked itself out in in both ways for me too, That
• 1:15:53
  the, the the. Spoken oath.
• 1:15:55
  Is done so with enough understanding, with the right
• 1:15:59
  understanding of its its weight and its importance and other
• 1:16:05
  other relationships have become just as strong, if not stronger
• 1:16:08
  without that sort of a thing. You know, I think the.
• 1:16:13
  Big problem nowadays that we see is that modern.
• 1:16:20
  Modern mentality. Most people, especially the
• 1:16:23
  younger generations nowadays, you know, this world is is words
• 1:16:28
  are cheap. People don't think about.
• 1:16:33
  What? They're doing anymore, you know.
• 1:16:34
  It's or what they're saying anymore so much as you know,
• 1:16:38
  people either over promise, you know, make last minute
• 1:16:44
  cancellations for no good reason.
• 1:16:46
  This whole you know, I'll, I'll, I'll see what I can do or I'll
• 1:16:49
  try, right. There's no commitment, there's
• 1:16:50
  no dedication. The same thing.
• 1:16:55
  I said before you know that. The casual uses of terms like I
• 1:16:58
  promise, I swear I got you right, that sort of thing.
• 1:17:01
  It's people like to speak in absolutes without acting as
• 1:17:07
  such. You know, they'll, they'll say
• 1:17:08
  these things and then acting in in ways that is more, well,
• 1:17:11
  what's convenient. You know, I think largely, I
• 1:17:22
  think largely there's a problem of, you know, people have
• 1:17:26
  separated speech from consequence.
• 1:17:32
  You can say anything you want. Especially online, you know, you
• 1:17:35
  can say anything you want. It's nothing's going to happen
• 1:17:38
  to you, you know? Was your account going to get
• 1:17:42
  banned? Oh big whoop.
• 1:17:44
  You know, like. The separate speech.
• 1:17:47
  From consequences is fundamentally one of the most
• 1:17:50
  unlike non heathen. Things in structure that they.
• 1:17:55
  I can think of. So I think it's important for us
• 1:18:04
  all to. Remember, right, Especially the
• 1:18:05
  newcomers to Heathenry. You know, oaths aren't about
• 1:18:09
  impressing others. Don't do it.
• 1:18:11
  Don't. Don't.
• 1:18:13
  Get sucked into it. Don't get roped into it because
• 1:18:16
  it looks cool and there's, you know, a lot of fancy words
• 1:18:18
  getting thrown around. Or there's a horn and there's a,
• 1:18:20
  there's a ring and there's a sword and there's a this or
• 1:18:23
  that. There's a that.
• 1:18:25
  You know, it's not about impressing people, it's about
• 1:18:27
  aligning your future self who you're.
• 1:18:32
  Going to be. With what you're saying, what
• 1:18:35
  you're doing now? Because what you say and what
• 1:18:39
  you do now is. Going to shape what shall become
• 1:18:42
  We are weavers, we are shapers, you know, we are all doing those
• 1:18:47
  things and in our own webs of weird and.
• 1:18:51
  Sometimes those webs those. Threads become interwoven with
• 1:18:55
  others and it's so. Critical.
• 1:18:58
  And it's so important. To understand the gravity and
• 1:19:00
  the and the sincerity and the severity and the weight of these
• 1:19:05
  things as we talked about it. OK, you know oaths aren't.
• 1:19:13
  About ourselves so much as yes, there's, there's this.
• 1:19:18
  Obligation now that we are upheld.
• 1:19:20
  To and and commitments and things, but it's not about
• 1:19:25
  being, you know, you don't make an oath to yourself, You make an
• 1:19:29
  oath to others. It's about creating as a sense
• 1:19:33
  of structure. It's about creating dependency
• 1:19:36
  or dependability. Rather, it's about.
• 1:19:43
  Making yourself a. Better version of yourself to be
• 1:19:47
  there for others in in a reliable way that others can be,
• 1:19:51
  you know, relying on. Oaths can strengthen our weird
• 1:19:57
  I. Mean it's, it's a because again,
• 1:19:58
  it's it's, it's intertwining. It's interweaving ours and
• 1:20:03
  theirs, theirs and ours. So if as much of an oath.
• 1:20:08
  If if an oath can as much strengthen our weird, imagine
• 1:20:12
  what breaking one can do. I can weaken it, it can destroy
• 1:20:21
  it, it can devastate those bonds.
• 1:20:28
  So yeah, I think that's, that just about covers that.
• 1:20:33
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• 1:20:35
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• 1:20:39
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• 1:20:41
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• 1:20:44
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• 1:20:46
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• 1:20:51
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