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Wired To Hunt Podcast #102: What To Do About Nocturnal Bucks and Other Hunting Questions · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one and
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  Speaker 1: two Tan's show, Dan and I are answering deer hunting
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  Speaker 1: questions that you, the listeners, have emailed in. All right,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you
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  Speaker 1: by Sick Gear, and today, I think is going to
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  Speaker 1: be a fun and pretty different episodes can be laid back.
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  Speaker 1: It's just me and Dan today and we're going to
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  Speaker 1: answer your questions that you've emailed in. And I want
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  Speaker 1: to give you a little context as to how I
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  Speaker 1: came about having this idea and doing this. Um there's
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  Speaker 1: this podcast I listened to. It's uh, it's not hunting
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  Speaker 1: really a podcast at all. It's called reply All and
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  Speaker 1: it's just a show about the Internet and interesting kind
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  Speaker 1: of fun stories that are somehow related to the Internet.
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  Speaker 1: And on one of these episodes last year, they started
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  Speaker 1: talking about the two hosts of this show. We're talking
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  Speaker 1: about how stressful it is to try to handle email
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  Speaker 1: and how they just get overloaded with emails and there's
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  Speaker 1: so many they have, and then slowly over time, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they get so far behind our emails. Then they look
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  Speaker 1: at an email from like five months ago or seven
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  Speaker 1: months ago, and it's an important thing. They should answer it,
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  Speaker 1: but they're now petrified to answer because of how embarrassed
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  Speaker 1: they are that it's been five or six or seven months.
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  Speaker 1: And so I don't know if you can relate to this, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: but so they decided to have They decided that we
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  Speaker 1: need to get like just blanket forgiveness for emails, and
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  Speaker 1: they decided to start a holiday called Email Forgiveness Day.
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  Speaker 1: We're on a certain day of the year, you can
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  Speaker 1: email anyone from as far back. You can reply to
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  Speaker 1: an email from as long ago as possible, and you
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  Speaker 1: can just respond to it completely guilt free, and then
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  Speaker 1: just linked to this email or this u r L
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  Speaker 1: that they created that explains Email Forgiveness Day. So on
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  Speaker 1: that day, respond to one email from a long, long,
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  Speaker 1: long time ago. And I love this idea because with
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  Speaker 1: wid hunt, I have just gotten so overwhelmed with emails
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  Speaker 1: and I'm so so far behind, and I feel horrible
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  Speaker 1: about it. There's so many people that have sending emails
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  Speaker 1: asking questions or different things, and I just cannot. It's
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  Speaker 1: just getting to the point now where it's just not
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  Speaker 1: logistically even possible to be able to answer all these emails,
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  Speaker 1: you know, while still doing all the stuff we have
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  Speaker 1: to do. So my idea today was to take this
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  Speaker 1: email Forgiveness concept, which the Email Forgiveness Day was a
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  Speaker 1: So this past weekend or Friday or something, this is
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  Speaker 1: gonna be our Email Forgiveness week of the podcast. And
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  Speaker 1: what we're gonna do is we're going to answer a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of email questions that have been sent in over
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  Speaker 1: the past months, um and you know, answer as many
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  Speaker 1: of those we can today and hopefully then hopefully my
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  Speaker 1: hope is that the rest of you can forgive me
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  Speaker 1: for not responding to those of you that I have missed.
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  Speaker 1: I apologize for that, trying hard to stay up on
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  Speaker 1: as much as it as it possibly can. But through
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  Speaker 1: this podcast, hopefully we can have some semblance of of
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  Speaker 1: being helpful still. So that's the game plan. Dandy, think,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think about this Email Forgiveness podcast? Me, personally,
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  Speaker 1: I'm okay with it because I'm in the same boat
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  Speaker 1: you are. I get a lot and uh, the I
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  Speaker 1: always feel like I'm slapping somebody in the face if
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  Speaker 1: I respond that's awesome, thanks for listening. And I do
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  Speaker 1: that a lot. And it's not that I don't you know,
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  Speaker 1: I really I'm intrigued and interested in what they have
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  Speaker 1: to say. It's just that I have I don't have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of time in my day to do everything
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  Speaker 1: that I need to do, especially you know, for me,
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  Speaker 1: I have a full time job as well, so getting
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  Speaker 1: getting to those emails. If you get a half asked
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  Speaker 1: response for me, I'm sorry, but at least you got
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  Speaker 1: a response. Yeah. Yeah, And I think and I I
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  Speaker 1: think and I hope most people can understand you know,
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  Speaker 1: that type of situation where right, I mean, whether you
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  Speaker 1: are doing something like what we're doing, or if you
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  Speaker 1: just you know, work an office job, you probably can
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  Speaker 1: relate to the email overload. Two. Um, So you know
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  Speaker 1: on this of a situation, right, it's it's either we
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  Speaker 1: continue creating the content that you know, people are are
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  Speaker 1: hoping to see from us, or we do nothing but
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  Speaker 1: respond to emails. And the one bummer thing about emails
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  Speaker 1: is that's only a one to one thing. You know,
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  Speaker 1: one person's question, one person can learn from it. Hopefully
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  Speaker 1: in a format like this. You know, we can answer
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  Speaker 1: some of these questions but help a lot more people.
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  Speaker 1: Um So that's that's kind of what I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do to a day. So it's email forgiveness day. We've
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  Speaker 1: got I don't know, a whole bunch of different questions
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  Speaker 1: about all sorts of different deer hunting related topics. But
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  Speaker 1: I guess before we dive into those, Dan, anything new
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  Speaker 1: on your end? Otherwise? Um, I pressure washed part of
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  Speaker 1: my house. Well that's exciting, No, it's not. It freaking sucks. Mann.
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  Speaker 1: I'm working that angle, man, I'm working that angle for
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  Speaker 1: the fall, and uh, you know that way I have
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  Speaker 1: some bargaining power, and typically it's one of those things
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  Speaker 1: where it's like you're supposed to do that anyway. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I can't really use it for a bargaining chip. But
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  Speaker 1: oh well, so so right now, what is the prognosis
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  Speaker 1: for your rut vacation. Is it gonna be like last
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  Speaker 1: year we had like a week and then like some
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  Speaker 1: scatter days, or you're gonna get your full two weeks again.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm not gonna bring it up
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  Speaker 1: quite yet. I got I gotta find the right time. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta find the right time and you know, getting
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  Speaker 1: in the right mood and all that stuff. And I think,
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  Speaker 1: by me, I don't know if I'm gonna be going
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  Speaker 1: on a Western trip this year or not. Now, So
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  Speaker 1: if I don't go on, if I do go on
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  Speaker 1: the Western trip, then it's probably gonna look poorly for
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  Speaker 1: a two two week RUT vacation. But if I do go, uh,
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  Speaker 1: or if I don't go on the RUT or on
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  Speaker 1: the Western trip, then I think it's a little bit more.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I still might I might have some bargaining
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  Speaker 1: power there. But you know, both you know, last year
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  Speaker 1: was tough, um because of the kids and whatnot. But
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  Speaker 1: now the or now that the kids um both eat
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  Speaker 1: by themselves. You know they're not both potty trained. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's a little easier every year it goes on.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, I think, I don't know, I'll probably get
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  Speaker 1: two days to hunt. Two days. Man, We're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: a rough go at it when it comes to talking
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  Speaker 1: hunting this fall. Then I mean I got my I
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  Speaker 1: got my close pieces, you know, so so that's good.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, the only thing that's really affected by
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  Speaker 1: it is morning hunts um, and it just it's just
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  Speaker 1: a matter or afternoon hunts if if I have to
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  Speaker 1: pick up the kids so I can get a lot
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  Speaker 1: of morning hunts in. But uh, you know, that's a
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  Speaker 1: long ways from now, and I still got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of other projects I need to get done, both deer
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  Speaker 1: related and non der related. So we'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: You uh, get out in Turkey on this weekend or now? No,
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  Speaker 1: it rained the entire weekend here. Plus it was my
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  Speaker 1: son his very first birthday party. We had a family
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  Speaker 1: gathering and I was kind of focused on that. How
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  Speaker 1: is how is Max? Party? Oh Man strippers kegs starting
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  Speaker 1: them off right right now? It was cool, My all
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  Speaker 1: my family showed up. Everyone that I wanted there at
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  Speaker 1: least and I'm just kidding. Uh, my family showed up.
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  Speaker 1: It was awesome, great food, great times. Our families loud
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  Speaker 1: and likes to talk and give each other. Everybody ship
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  Speaker 1: so so weird. I wouldn't have expected that. Yeah, but no,
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  Speaker 1: it was great. Uh he's one, He's a ton of
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  Speaker 1: fun and yeah that's cool. He seems like a character.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to meeting in one of these days.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully can get out there soon and see the little guy.
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  Speaker 1: That's cool though. I had a good weekend too. I
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  Speaker 1: had my family here to visit as well. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: your dad came, didn't he? Dad came down for some
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  Speaker 1: turkey hunting, and then actually my mom came with him
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  Speaker 1: because we had a cousin from out of state that
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  Speaker 1: was coming in for a college visit yesterday and so
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  Speaker 1: he was gonna well, he flew on Sunday night, so
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  Speaker 1: she wanted to be here so she could see him
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  Speaker 1: because we rarely could see him. He's from Washington State.
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  Speaker 1: So the whole family, mom, dad were down and turkey
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  Speaker 1: hunt was awful. It was rainy, kind of like what
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  Speaker 1: you had there, and nothing was talking, like zero gobbles.
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  Speaker 1: It was just silence. So we had very very very
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  Speaker 1: little luck from a turkey hunting standpoint, but we got
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  Speaker 1: to do some shooting and some fishing and all good food.
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  Speaker 1: So that was good, good family time there. And now
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  Speaker 1: in four days or three days, I'm leaving for Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: which will be hopefully a little better there. So I
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  Speaker 1: got trail camera picks and uh of turkeys, strutton and
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  Speaker 1: I gotta i My buddy owns a house, right, so
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  Speaker 1: he lets me hunt so to return the favor, I
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  Speaker 1: pressure washed his foundation on the north side. Uh, gets
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  Speaker 1: a lot of like mildew and mold on it. So
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  Speaker 1: I pressure washed the north side of this of this wall.
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  Speaker 1: That's what is his foundation on the outside. And in
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  Speaker 1: between me pulling the trigger on the pressure washer, I
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  Speaker 1: could hear turkey's gobble in the distance. That's that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be painful, right. It was hard for me stay motivated
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  Speaker 1: at that at that point. Understandable, very understandable. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: get that I have the issue. Sometimes I'm sitting here
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  Speaker 1: in the home office and every time I walk well,
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  Speaker 1: either from my office, I can see across the road
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  Speaker 1: to a neighbor's property, and there's always turning turkeys walking
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  Speaker 1: across there. So always about nine o'clock, when I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to just get into some writing or something, I'm seeing
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  Speaker 1: these dang turkeys walking across and that gets me all distracted.
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  Speaker 1: Or when I walk out behind the house, I can
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  Speaker 1: see more property behind me where there's usually turkeys working
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  Speaker 1: in the late afternoon. So it seems like no matter
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  Speaker 1: what time of day, there's something that's going to distract
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  Speaker 1: me and make me wish I was out of hunting.
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  Speaker 1: But so it goes right. There's a lot of distractions.
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  Speaker 1: There is a lot of distractions, like in Google Maps
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  Speaker 1: is probably my biggest distraction. Yeah, that'll do it to you.
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  Speaker 1: Maps will definitely do it. Maybe that maybe these types
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  Speaker 1: of distractions are why we don't answer our emails on time.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, bingo, and it's come full circle. It's come
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  Speaker 1: full circle. We apologize. We're just horribly distracted, all full
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  Speaker 1: procrastinators and all around lousy people. So should we let's
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  Speaker 1: get let's just get right. Should we try to answer
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  Speaker 1: some questions? Let's do it all right? But before we
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  Speaker 1: get to that, we do need to pause briefly for
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  Speaker 1: word from our partners at Sick Gear, who have just
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  Speaker 1: recently released their new products for two thousand and sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: including the new Fanatic vest and Fanatic Light bibbs. And
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  Speaker 1: our sickest story today comes from John Mulligan, who had
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  Speaker 1: a day of hunting so incredible that it's unlikely he'll
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  Speaker 1: ever be able to repeat it again. And it began
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  Speaker 1: with a quick trip across the border from his home
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  Speaker 1: in Kentucky or southern Ohio for morning hunt, and right
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  Speaker 1: at daybreak, here comes a nice buck and John gets
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  Speaker 1: narrowed him. It was an easy recovery for him, So
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  Speaker 1: him and his buddy who was filming for him, dropped
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  Speaker 1: the buck off at the processor and then got back
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  Speaker 1: to Kentucky. By about noon we launched and and he says,
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  Speaker 1: what are you gonna do with us today? You know,
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  Speaker 1: you and Sam we're going to do stuff. And well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what the way the wind is today, this
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  Speaker 1: is actually the wind we've been waiting for in Kentucky.
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  Speaker 1: I said, let's, uh, let's see if we can get
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  Speaker 1: on that buck there and there was a there was
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  Speaker 1: a big deer that, um, I don't know exact scores,
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  Speaker 1: they've never got my hands on him, but we figured
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  Speaker 1: he was somewhere in the one seventy to low one
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  Speaker 1: eight rain. We get in our set that was already
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  Speaker 1: pre hung, and I get a tap on my shoulder
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  Speaker 1: and a squeeze. And that's kind of our little signal
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  Speaker 1: unspoken language that if if you get a tap, that
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  Speaker 1: means okay, look up at me. If you get a squeeze,
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  Speaker 1: that means pay attention, but just don't move, just hits.
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  Speaker 1: So he tapped me and then squeezes my shoulder, and
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  Speaker 1: finally I'm able to kind of do on that rotate
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  Speaker 1: where you're you know, you you turn your head six
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  Speaker 1: inches over the course of thirty seconds. We've all been there.
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  Speaker 1: I rotate my head over there's my hit list. Buck
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  Speaker 1: at six yards basically at the base of the tree,
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  Speaker 1: right underneath a down tree, the only possible angle that
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  Speaker 1: I can't shoot from. And he walked and walked and
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  Speaker 1: walked away. And of course I give my buddy Mike,
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  Speaker 1: I've give him a lot of you know, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of grief about it. I'm like, really, one s sneaks
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  Speaker 1: in like a ninja like that to six yards before
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  Speaker 1: you know you're able to see it. And and that's
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  Speaker 1: just how it is. That's just the way it is sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: So you kill a nice buck in Ohio first in
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  Speaker 1: the morning, and then just a handful of hours later,
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  Speaker 1: you've got a one seventy plus six yards. What kind
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  Speaker 1: of good luck charm did you have with you on
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  Speaker 1: that day? I'm telling you, I was ready to go
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  Speaker 1: to the gas stations and start buying lottery tickets because
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  Speaker 1: I've never i mean, I'm like the self proclaimed Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm the Irish Catholic guy that has the worst luck
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  Speaker 1: of anybody in the world. I mean, the luck of
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  Speaker 1: the Irish just followed me. I've never had a day. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: I've had great days where I've had great expense and
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  Speaker 1: killed nice dear, but I've never had a day where
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  Speaker 1: I killed a good buck in one state in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: and then that very same day, you know, thirty miles
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  Speaker 1: away a different state than I got a one seventy
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  Speaker 1: five at the base of my tree. Um, just a
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  Speaker 1: cool bait, A cool day, indeed, And on this hunt,
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  Speaker 1: John was wearing the SI equinox pants and jacket and
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  Speaker 1: the Fanatic hoodie. If you'd like to learn more about Sitka,
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  Speaker 1: visit sitka gear dot com. And now back to the show.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Dan, So I'm thinking I've got a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of questions here listed out, and I didn't include the
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  Speaker 1: entire email, but I tried to include enough of the
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  Speaker 1: email to make the question relevant. So I'll ask these
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  Speaker 1: questions and then maybe I'll send them to you if
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  Speaker 1: you've got a good answer right off the bat, or
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  Speaker 1: something that's top of mind, and then we can bounce
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  Speaker 1: back and forth between us and see where it goes.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have too much of an agenda with us
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  Speaker 1: So if we want to talk for thirty minutes on
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  Speaker 1: one of these because it's that interesting, we can do that.
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  Speaker 1: Or if we end up going rapid fire, that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: We're just gonna We're just gonna see where this takes us.
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  Speaker 1: I'm down for that. So that's how I perform my
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  Speaker 1: best mark good. No restrictions, No restrictions. That's well. I'm glad.
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  Speaker 1: This is gonna be a high performance day, free day.
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  Speaker 1: All right. We're not gonna throw last names out. This
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  Speaker 1: is gonna be first names. But if you hear a
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  Speaker 1: question that sounds like it might be yours and the
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  Speaker 1: first name matches up, consider your email answered. Most of
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: this is because you probably can't pronounce people's last name.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's true too. So first question comes from Luke,
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  Speaker 1: and here's what Luke asked. He said, about five years ago,
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  Speaker 1: some unknownst trashed my property. They broke stands, stole cameras,
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  Speaker 1: and they even took one of my climbers about thirty
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  Speaker 1: ft up a tree and shimmy down, leaving the climber
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  Speaker 1: up in the tree. He then went on the offensive
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  Speaker 1: and plastered no trespassing signs, began building a fence around
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  Speaker 1: the property borders. But two weeks ago, on one of
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  Speaker 1: Luke's small food plots of clover, he had yet another
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  Speaker 1: camera stolen and a young deer skull is left in
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  Speaker 1: this field. So his question is any suggestions on what
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  Speaker 1: I can do or should do to prevent this kind
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  Speaker 1: of issue in the future. So, dealing with trespassing and
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  Speaker 1: people mess thing with stuff and stealing with things in
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  Speaker 1: new property, how would you recommend someone do with that? Dan? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you got you got two ways to look at this, right,
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  Speaker 1: So one is let's say it's your property. Um, I
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  Speaker 1: would get very serious about it, and I would call
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  Speaker 1: the d n R. I would call the sheriff. I
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  Speaker 1: would you know, tell them what happened. Uh. Let everybody
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  Speaker 1: know on the properties that border that property. Hey, I
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  Speaker 1: had this happened. Have you had anything like this happened?
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen anything like that? Um? You know, anything
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  Speaker 1: strange or funny or out of place happened around here? Um,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, just get the word out. I had
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  Speaker 1: a trail camera stolen one year and I called the sheriff,
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  Speaker 1: I called the d n R. I called I contacted
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  Speaker 1: every landowner almost within a mile of where my trail
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  Speaker 1: camera was at and asked them, knocked on doors, asked
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  Speaker 1: them if they've seen anything, um suspicious. I went to
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  Speaker 1: the Mount Pleasant well, yeah, my local newspaper and asked
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  Speaker 1: if I could put an ad in the paper about
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  Speaker 1: stolen trail cameras, you know, information wanted, and posted stuff
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  Speaker 1: on local Facebook pages and it worked. I walked back
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  Speaker 1: into the timber one day and my trail cameras were
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  Speaker 1: at the bottom of a tree that um that they
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  Speaker 1: were on. They weren't back in the tree, but they
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  Speaker 1: were at the bottom in a pile um. So there's
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: that way to look at it. And you know, if
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: it happens, if it happened five years ago and then
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: there was no issues for four years, and then it
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: happened again, you got another trail camera stolen in some places,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: that's pretty good odds, um. And you definitely, you definitely
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: run the risk any time you leave anything out in
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: the timber, even though you may be the only person
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to have permission to it, you run the risk of
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: stuff getting stolen or tampered with. So that's kind of
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: a risk you're willing to take. And you have to
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: ask yourself how much risk are you willing to take?
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: And then uh, yeah, that those are those are two
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: things that I would really consider. Yeah, I like a
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: lot of what you said there. Man, you are hardcore
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: when it comes to getting those trail cames back. That
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: was serious. I mean a traill camera costs three hundred bucks, man,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: that's that's like two three days of work for me. Yeah. Well,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I guess you. You put the time into got it back.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: So that's awesome. I love it. Not all of them
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: have been returned, but that particular instance they were, so Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I think that's a great example though, what to do.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: And I think that that ties in perfectly with one
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: of my big pieces of advice would just be that
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: you have to set a precedent. You have to show
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: that trespassing and these types of things are not going
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: to be tolerated and that you will enforce it or
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: make sure that the law enforcement does so. I think
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: the biggest mistake people will make is to tolerate this
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: kind of thing and not do anything about it just
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: because you're lazier, just because you think, well, something's probably
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: not going to come of it. Even if I do
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: go talk to the DNR or the police officer, even
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: if I do put up signs that it's probably gonna happen,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna I'm just gonna deal with it.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest mistake because I think as
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: soon as people realize that there's no ramifications for doing
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: things like that, and then they're just gonna keep doing it,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: and word will spread locally that oh, so and so
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't you know they don't. They have no idea. If
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: you're trespassing, you can cross there, no one ever care.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: So I think you know now that you're having some
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: issues again, definitely I would go on the offensive again.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Make sure that no trespassing signs are up everywhere, make
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: sure that you follow up with authorities if you have
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: other issues with cameras being stolen or things like that happening.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: And then to your point, Dan, I love the idea
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: of just locally talking to a lot of people, just
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: like making it known that you know you're trying to
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: fare out what happened and that you're not going to
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: deal with this. I think that's probably one of the
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: best things you can do, because, like what happened in
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: your case, word got around. This guy probably get a
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: little worried and decide he better you know, take care
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: of this so and at the on the same time,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: you have to be on the same page age if
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: you're if it's not your property, you have to be
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: on the same page as the landowner. The landowner has
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: to want to catch trustpassers and um thieves as much
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: as you do. So if you reported a stolen tree
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: stand or a trail camera to the landowner and they're
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: kind of like a, oh, well, it's not bothering me,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: then you cannot leave that stuff out on their property,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: or you need to go find a different hounting property. Yeah,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: And to that point, I think my other piece of
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: advice would be that once you've done all these things
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: to try to prevent it and to try to enforce it,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: then you have to take you know, security measures in
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you know, by locking up your cameras, locking up your
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: tree stands. And that sucks that you have to do that,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: but if you're finding that you're having these issues, you
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: need to make it as difficult as possible for someone to,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: you know, to get away with that kind of thing.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: So like, for example, in my my Southern Ohil property
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: lasts well, I don't whenever I went there for shad
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: hunting in February, I found that two of my cameras
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: had the sd car stolen out of them. And to
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: that point, we never had any issues with our tree stands,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: with trail cameras, no trespassing issues that we could tell of,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: So we felt pretty comfortable with the situation, and we
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: hadn't been locking things up. Um, but now that we've
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: had this, now, I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: be locking all my trail cameras, and I'm also going
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: to be putting cameras up throughout the property that aren't
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: even aimed at deer level, but up in the trees,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: aimed down to catch trespassers. If this type of thing
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: happens again. Um, So, if anyone's listening that happens to
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: be my issue, know that we are not going to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: let this happen idly. Go and let this happen idly
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: by what we are going to try to do something
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: about it. So I'm also gonna be putting up no
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: trespassing signs and again, just make sure that you know
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the locals know that that's not okay. So, and it
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: sucks that you've got to kind of be a Nazi sometimes,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: but I mean a lot of hunters like me and you,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure a lot of our listeners. We put
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of time and energy and effort in to
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: doing what we do and when someone rains on our parade,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get pissed. Yeah, And it's just there's unfortunately
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: this level of respect that seems lacking in a lot
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: of cases when it comes to something like this, like
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: why do you got to do that? Why would someone
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: want to go and steal somebody else's camera and you know,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: bash on the take the tree stands, or mess up
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: things or whatever it is. I don't understand how a
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: fellow hunter would want to do that, Like, I don't know,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I can't explain it. It's disappointing, it's discouraging. But um,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: but how we were raised. It's not how most of
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: us were raised, that's for sure. So I guess, Luke,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: that's what that's what we would do. Hopefully this is
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: something that doesn't happen to you again in the future,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: but maybe try some of these things and it it
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: might help discourage whoever this troubled person might be from
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: from doing something in the future. So booby traps, booby
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: traps like digging a hole and putting branches over top
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: of it and then they fall in that kind of
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: thing that or you know, hey, here's uh, here's a
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: shed antler on a bear trap and reached down to
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: grab it and then their hand gets chopped off. Oh
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: my gosh, is that what happened to your finger? Yes,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I was trying to steal shed aidlers. The story comes out. Finally,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: did you ever see that video that someone someone uh
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: booby trapped a situation like that? Can't gosh, I watched
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it so long. I can't remember exactly what happened. Either
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the guy was trespassing or like he was messing with
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: somebody else's trowel camera and he tripped a wire something
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: that blasted paint all over the guess it was a
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: trust pastor he was rifle hunting on this dude's property
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: and the guy comes in and it's a landmine full
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: of basically a landmine full of paint like paintballs, and
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: it just blasted the guy and it's hilarious to watch.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I guess what was coming to him? Oh man, Okay,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: ready for question number two? Here we go, all right,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: This question comes from Ben. Ben says I'm somewhat new
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to the idea of dear herd management so far after
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: it have been based solely around the goal attracting dear
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: to my property as it was drastically mismanaged in the
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: past at any rates early season here in Illinois. So
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: he sent this to me early season last year, so
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: a few months behind. So hopefully this is probably gave
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: up on hunting just because you didn't respond to him. Actually,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I hope that's not the case, Ben. So he says
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: it was day two of the season and during his hunt,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: he had a decent doe walk out at twenty yards.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: As he drew back, two fonds emerged behind her. They
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: looked to be old enough to survive, but I hesitated
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: to take the shot and ultimately decided to pass. The
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: doe eventually wandered off with the fauns in tow. So
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: did I make the correct decision or did I just
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: miss an opportunity to put meat in my freezer with
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: minimal effect on my herd? What do you think, Dan?
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Should you have should he have taken this dough with
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: two fawns? Or girl? I believe you've you've talked about
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: this before, So I'm gonna pass this question back to you. Yeah,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I think I think I'm not for what I talked
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: about it. But I know we have talked about to
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: some degree in the past, but I think it's worth
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: having a discussion again to some to some degree. So
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I have like fluctuated on this back and forth, and
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: it kind of depends on like the moment for me,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: to be honest. Um, for a long time, I thought
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I would never want to shoot a dough, an adult
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: dough they had fawns with her, because that just like
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: didn't feel right and those you know, what would happen
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: those fawns, etcetera, etcetera. But then the more stuff I
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: read and more research I did, I you can't realize
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: that by the time that hunting season rolls around, those
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: fawns are you know, they can, they can survive and
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: there will be viable at that time in their life.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: They can they can handle it without the mom there
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: with them. Um, And many cases will be somewhat adopted
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: by you know, another family group of of does in
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the area in some cases, So you know, from a
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: biological standpoint and from a herd management standpoint, from everything
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I've seen and heard, that's okay to do you are
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: not dooming three deer by killing one adult though, um
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: so would that being the case. I have taken adult
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: does with young um in the past, although I've never
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: taken you know something, you know that depends on when
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: a faun is born, and there's some that look just
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: super super super young, like sometimes still spots, and then
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: there's some that just look a little bit healthier and older,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, just like the emotional impact of
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: that sometimes on me, I just just said, now, I
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: don't want to do it. It just doesn't feel right.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: And that's just me. That's just me. Um, Sometimes it
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: feels right. Sometimes I just want to let them go.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how to explain that
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: accept other than maybe being a pushover, I guess, and
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Um.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: You know, I respect and care for and enjoy watching
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: these animals, and UM, I want these animals to you know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: be treated and hunted in a respectful and ethical way. So,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I think it's one of those in the
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: moment decisions, and for me, it has it has varied
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: depending on the day and the situation and and all that.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: So I guess for me, Ben, I would say you
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: made the right decision because that's what felt right too
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: in that moment. And yeah, that could have been an
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: opportunity to put meat in the freezer, but I hope
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: that farther down the line you had another opportunity. And
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: in most cases, if you're if you're hunting for a dough,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: there will be other opportunities if you're playing your cards right. Um,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: if you hunt smart and are an area where there's
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: a decent population of deer, you should have more opportunities
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: to to shoot a dough. So I don't think there's
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: anything wrong with waiting until that feels right to you,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: because that's tough decision. Killing an animal is something I've
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: said a thousand times before, but it's a serious decision
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and I don't think you should ever feel pressured to
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: make that decision, um if it doesn't feel right. So
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: that's my take, Dan, what do you think you know?
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty much I'm pretty much on the same boat
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: as you. Um, I kind of go by a feel. Um,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I would love to kill an adult dough, you know,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: a mature dough. But um, I'll be honest and This
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: may sound bad, but fawn meat taste just as good.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: You know. So if if you're going to if your
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: goal is to fill the freezer, you may not get
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: as much meat. But fawn meat is a little tender,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, a little more tender. It tastes really good.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And um, there is a benefit in a way. A
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: guy once told me, um to killing a younger dough
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: as opposed to the mature dough. The mature dough will
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: go into heat first. And if you can pattern a
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: mature dough, then you also can pattern potentially the first
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: buck to come in through you know, late October, when
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: they start there, you know, when they start trying to
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: meet up with the first mature dough in the area.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: That's something to think about as well. So I know
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: a guy who he doesn't like to he doesn't like
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: to kill the mature doughs. He likes to kill the
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: younger deer. Um. Granted, you know, in order to get mature,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you gotta get young. But as far as doughs are concerned,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: he'll kill a yearling or or a one or two
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: year old dough. And uh, that's where he gets most
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: of his meat from. So just something else to think about. Yeah, interesting,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I'll throw another devil's advocate perspective on that. Um. One
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: other way to think about it is that the fewer
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: so a lot of people say if you if you've
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: got the doughs, you'll have the bucks during the rut,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and that's true to a degree, but also too much
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: of a good thing can be a bad thing, and
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that if you have a huge number of doughs that
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: are up breeding age and viability, if there's a huge
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: number of doughs, there's not a lot of competition for bucks,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: and that it's very easy for buck during the rut
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: to find a dough that's ready to breed. And because
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: of that, the rut, the visible rutting activity that you'll
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: see during the hunting season could be less, it could
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: be less intense, it could be less visible daylight activity
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: because those bucks don't need to be moving as much,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: traveling as far and as active to find a dough.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: So to have a more intense rut, you're gonna be
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: in a better situation if you've got a more controlled
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: dough herd that's more in line versus out of control,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: really really high dough herd. So one of the things
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: that I've tried to do more recently is try to
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: do some of my dough hunting earlier in the season,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and I personally have been targeting more mature mature doughs
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: or at least of breeding age does, because then that
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: reduces the number of potential doughs for a buck to
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: to hook up with, which might lead to a slightly
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: more intense rut um rich you know, hopefully would result
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: in better opportunities from a hunting success standpoint for a
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: buck in the future. So that's one thing to consider.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Not that there's a right or wrong answer there, but
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: that's one of their perspective on it. Um. And the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: one other thing I would say that that I do
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: believe is true um that I've read from studies and
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: everything that just makes biological sense that if you are
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: trying to control the door a doe herd, so if
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: you've got a population that is overpopular with deer, the
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: best way to do that is to be harvesting your
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: older doughs because they are the does that have the
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: greatest chance of um of having twins. So if you're
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: killing older deer, that's a better chance that you have
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: a larger impact from a herd standpoint, versus killing a
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: younger deer, which more likely that first year might only
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: have one um So one thing to think about depending
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: on what your herd situation is. If you're really trying
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: to control it, you might want to tire older deer.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: If you're just trying to keep it stable or grow it,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: but you still want to kill a dough maybe that
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: is the right call to kill the younger dose. So
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: a couple of things to think about on that standpoint.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Next question. Next question comes from Timothy. Timothy says, I
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: have numerous bucks in my area, but all are nocturnal,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: especially the bigger ones that I consider shooters. I know
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the rut is supposed to is supposed to inspire the
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: big guys to move, but it never seems to happen
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: around here. Is this typical? And if so, what's the answer? Uh?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: In that question? Do you happen to know where Timothy
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: is from? I do not. Okay, So here's what here's
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: my opinion on that. I take it. You hunt, and
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: this is me doing throwing out a lot of assumptions.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Timothy hunts in a highly pressured area, all right, so
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: he is probably sharing property with other hunters, or he's
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: hunting on public ground. Um, if he knows that there
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: are big bucks in his area, he needs to be ready,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and they're nocturnal, he needs to be ready to not
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: hunt early season to relieve the pressure in that area
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: and hopefully, um, the trail cameras will show um movement
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: closer to daylight. Now, another option is that he checks
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: his trail cameras too much and he is spooking his
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: own deer and you know, going in to check his
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: trail camera too much. Um. So those are those are
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: two things that I can think of right off the
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: top of my head. The other is from from an
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: access point, he needs to be putting his trail cameras
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: not and this is only if he has good access
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: finding stand locations closer to potentially where they're betting. So
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: if they're not coming out to you know, ten fifteen
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: minutes after dark, then he needs to find out where
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: these bucks are at ten fifteen minutes before they're getting
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: caught on trail camera and go set a tree stand
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: in that location. Yeah, I think you're spot on. I
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: think that is exactly I think you know in this case,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: like you said, if you make a lot of assumptions,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: but I would say, do a do an internal audit,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: audit everything you are doing on that property, because most likely,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: if you have an acternal buck, the most likely cause
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: is that it is because well, there's two potential causes.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: One is that you could have no acternal bucks because
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: you simply don't have the quality habitat for a buck
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: to spend daylight hours there. And he is spending his
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: daylight hours and any daylight time in the early or
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: even or late evening on that neighbors and there's only
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: traveling some type of far distance to get too proper tonight.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: But I would say the more likely option or situation
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: is that pressure is causing that dear to be nocturnal.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Like you said, Dan, so audit yourself. Do all those
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: things that you just mentioned. I mean, think about am
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I hunting too much early on and causing his dear
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: to become nocturnal? Am I checking my cameras too much?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Is my access bad? I mean all those things. You're
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely right. I think through all those things and
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: figure out, you know, am I the problem? And if
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I am, how do I change that? And then if
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: if you're in a situation where no, maybe this guy
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: isn't hunting early season. He's he's being really careful about
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: checking his cameras, all those types of things. But still
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: because the pressure is so intense on his neighbor's properties
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: that his deer are becoming more more nocturnal. Then I
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: would say again, you have to then either like you,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's much more I can add
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: what you said today, because you're right. You either need
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: to push in closer to where you think they're betting,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: because that might be your only option to capture Um,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: to to get a chance at the buck when he's
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: just getting out of his bed Um. But that's high risk.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Obviously you've got a great, you know, an opportunity to
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: make it even worse Um, or wait till the rut, when, yes,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: there is going to be a better chance that they'll
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: make a mistake. So I think in that case I
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: would I would probably if it was super intense situation,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: lots of hunting pressure, I wouldn't hunt at all until
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: like peak of the rut and I got good weather
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: and I plan on, you know, try to keep the
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: pressure as absolutely low as possible until the timing is
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: great and then go in there and really hope that
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: all those factors finally going in my favorite plus having
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: not pressure these deer at all will give me that
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: little little you know, a little bit of hope and
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: a little bit of opportunity there you might be able
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: to take advantage of it. So right, One thing I'd
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: like to add is I can just hear somebody saying this,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: and that's why I'm bringing it up. Well, he's not
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: coming from my property. Okay, Well then you have to
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: start asking yourself different questions, Um, can you hunt that property? No,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: you can't. Have you asked, then go, you know, knock
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: on the door, ask if you can hunt their property. Um.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: And another thing that I always like to do is
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: and Bill Winkie touched on this and one of the
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: podcast about casting a net in regards to trail camera reconnaissance. Right,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: so you have you have all these trail cameras out
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: and you get a target buck on one of the
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: one of your trail cameras. So you're taking down other
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: trail cameras and moving it into a different area to
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: hopefully find out where this buck is looping. And I
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: call it a loop. You know, they come out of
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: their bed they make their rounds and then they go
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: back to bed. And that's that's not necessarily the rut,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: but that's pre rut, you know, and that late October
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: time frame when they're starting to get on their feet,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: they're making their scrapes, they're they're they're you know, making
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: extra stops throughout the night looking for where these dough
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: you know, sent checking these doughs. So bring another trail
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: camera into the area and try to find another point
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: where he is exposing himself, whether it's dark or not,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: but two reference points will help you triangulate his position,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and then you can start bringing more trail cameras in
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: and hope trying to find this bucks loop. Yeah, that's
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: a good point, and I think that that brings us
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: back though to the original thing that you mentioned, which
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: is possibly overdoing with trail cars. So yet you have
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: to find that fine balance, like what where's the where's
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: that middle of the road where you can get enough
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: intel to adjust appropriately, yet not put so much pressure
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: on these deer just by checking trail cameras that you
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: hurt yourself in the longer. I mean, that is one
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: of the biggest challenges as a serious deer hunter. Today.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I think when you're trying to, you know, collect information
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: through cameras, that one of the greatest challenges that so
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: many people I talk to have is that they become
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: addicted to it or they feel like that's such an
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: important tool that they almost they lose the effectiveness of
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: it because of the fact that they're checking so often.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: So I've got a good friend of mine who now
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: is trying to completely change his trail camera strategy to
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: become super super conservative with it because he's thinking now
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: that he's been overdoing it in Michigan, particularly where that
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: pressure is so intense. Um he's thinking, you know, based
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: on is you know success and things he's seen over
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the past five years that have been much lower than
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: he would have hoped around here. A big part of
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: it is probably because he's been trying to be so
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: intense with his cameras and figuring out these deers. So
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: now he's going to go about it the other way
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: and almost take cameras out the equation completely and instead
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: hunting just primarily based on terrain and you know what
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: he has been able to garner, what information has building
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: garner from from experience, and then see if that can
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: buy that reduced pressure if that will increase daylight movement.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: So it's something that it all depends, I think on
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: where you hunt in the situation there, and the pressure
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: you know, put on those deer by other people around
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: you and yourself, and what you can get away with.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: But I think it's something you really have to be
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: mindful of. Um, So be careful about how you're checking
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: your cameras, Be careful about how often you check your cameras,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: how you're accessing them, all those things I think you
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: really have to think about. And I think, you know,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we really need to get into it,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: but we will because we go on on tangents. But um,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I had a conversation with a guy recently about trail
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: cameras and yeah, it's awesome to get big buck pictures
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: and help locate, but sometimes trail cameras can do more
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: harm than good, and you have to go back to
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the old school way of just being a hunter and
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: going out into the woods and and hunting and not
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: waiting on trail cameras and and going in and ruining
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: you know, potential sets by checking them. So it could
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: be a love hate relationship, very very true. I definitely
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: have gotten a lot more conservative than my cameras the
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: more I've been using them, because I've been finding that
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: very thing. It's it's so easy for it to to
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: consume you and to force you into poor decisions just
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: because you want to see those pictures. So I know,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I almost don't make any trips ever to check a
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: trail camera unless I am already passing through there or
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: in a vehicle. So if I'm heading to a tree stand,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I try now to position trail cameras in places that
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: are easy to access when I'm already going to hunt,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: so I know I'm already gonna make an intrusion because
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I'm hunting this location, so it's not going to be
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: that big of a deal to also check a camera,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: So I do a lot more of that. Or I'm
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: waiting for rainy, windy days, or I'm putting cameras on
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: field edges that I can access by a TV or truck,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: which in many cases has a much lower impact. So
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: it's a big thing to think about. Ready for the
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: next one, Let's do it all right. This question comes
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: from Dakota. Dakota is new to hunting, and he says
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I'm planning on using sense, and I had a question
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: or two about that. Is there any advantage to putting
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: out a big buck scent and a docent in the
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: same area? Or can you ever oversent an area? That's
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: question number one? Secondly asked, are all sense about the
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: same or is using one off of a website or
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: something like that? Better smoke? Dear wouldn't be familiar with
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: that smell. And then finally he asked if we think
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: that ever calm is worth time. I don't know if
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: you've heard of ever Calm, but three questions there, Dan,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I'll really had the scent. What do you think? Alright?
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Pick one? Pick one, I'll answer. I'll answer one, then
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: you can answered the second part of it. All right, Uh,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: is there any advantage of putting out buck sent ad
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: docent in the same area? Or can you over scent?
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Can you have too much sent out? So? I am
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: not a huge fan of like you know, estras urine
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: or bucking rut urine. I I've used it in the past,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: but mostly on mock scrapes. Um. I've used a drip
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: you know, you hang it in the tree and it
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: drips down onto a scrape and um it. Sometimes it works,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't. I don't feel it. Uh. It necessarily
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: brings a ton more dear in the area. It might,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: it might make a buck curious and they check it
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: out and they either make, you know, make it part
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: of their loop, or they decide, you know, hey, I'm
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: not gonna I don't need to worry about this. The
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: disadvantage here of putting sense out is you run the
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: risk again something we're gonna be talking a lot about
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: today's risk. You run the risk of deer being at
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: your tree stand location while you are walking to it
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: in the morning and you can't see so you can't
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: avoid it, or staying after dark after you know your
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: hunt's over so you have to get down at some
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: point and you're going to run the risk of potentially
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: spooking them. Or you have that sent there and morning
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: hunt and the deer already in the area and then
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: you blow them out. So it can be again a
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: double edged sword. Yeah, and I think I guess that
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: perspective you have there right there probably would apply to
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: all three questions right in a way. Yeah, I mean
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I I kind of feel the same way. I'm not
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: a big guy when it comes to attracting sense or
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: anything like that. I've always been just of the mind
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: that's better to try to eliminate as much older as
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: possible and um, and not fuss too much about trying
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: to add in other attractings. I would rather just know
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: where dear want to be naturally and try to position
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: my out there in a sent free as possible way. Um.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: That's been my way to go about it, and it's worked,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: all right. I have definitely tested a lot of these
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: scents in the past, and just it hasn't been It
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: has not compelled me enough to want to continue doing it.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Not saying it can't work, not saying that they don't work.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there are some type of situations where they do.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: But I think there there might be some of it.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit of that marketing magic that makes
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: us think that this little product will will change our
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: hopes and dreams and give us that big giant buck.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: And I'm not sure that's always the case either. So
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: it's a tool, but I don't know if it's necessarily
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: the cure all And it's a tool that I just
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: personally have not put a whole lot of faith in,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: and well, let's look at it this way. You know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: you put a Chinese restaurant on a corner. If I'm
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: not in the mood for Chinese restaurant, I'm not going
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: to stop there. You know. It's kind of the same way.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I said that. I'm sorry, but
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: you're making me hungry. But say, are, in my opinion,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: kind of mood driven. So if buck smells an estraus
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: dough and he's not in the mood to breed, then
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: he's not going to come into your area. All these
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: things are trying to pull deer off of their natural
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: path and come to you or stop to you, when
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: you should be going to their natural path and trying
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: to intersect them without knowing you're there. Yep, I agree.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I think I think nine times that tend that is
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: the more likely tactic that will work. So so that's
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: my thought for all these when it comes to all
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: these scents. So because of that, I really can't speak
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: to whether using a you know, a scent bought off
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: a website versus one that was created locally or anything
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: that I couldn't tell you if that's gonna make a difference.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I've never used ever calm, So I personally can't speak
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: to that. Um. You know, the only scent stuff that
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: you and meet, at least that I use is osonics,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: nose jammer, and sent in limiting spray, which all those
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: three things are used to just eliminate or or mask
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: my own sentence some way. So that's what I use.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: That's what we do. It's not necessarily the only way
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: or the right way, but that's that's what we've done, right.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Dave Dave is next, Dan Dave David's next, and his
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: question again. He is a relatively new hunter as well.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: This was his second season, and he says, I was
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: out in the woods tonight and a bunch of deer
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: came through after shooting hours. Would you suggest going back
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: to that same stand in the morning. Man, there's so
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: many questions that I have to ask right now that
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: you know, I wish he was here. We're operating on.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have to do some assumptions here as well.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: But go for it. Oh man, you're throwing it to me.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Dang it. I don't have the answer. That's like, I
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: saw a deer in the woods, how do I kill it?
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Shoot it? Okay? So what I suggest going back to
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: the same stand in the morning. Well, it's getta depending
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: on a whole lot of different things. But let's kind
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: of flesh this out, kind of put together hypothetical situation,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: and then we can debate that more detailed hypothetical. So
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: let's say if he's a new hunter, maybe he's just
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: targeting doze or young bucks. So let's go with that assumption.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: And let's say he was out in the woods hunting
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: like a field edge or something. They didn't come through
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: until after shooting hours, So would that be a spot
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: to hunt again in the morning. Well, what what can
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: you take from this? If I'm thinking about this, Okay,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: what did I learn from that hunt when I'm sitting
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: there in the evening? Or this person, Dave, he's sitting
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: there evening, he saw a deer come from somewhere after
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: shooting hours and passed by him. So what he can
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: gain from that is he knows what direction these deer
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: are coming from when they're coming from a betting air,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: because if it's in the evening, they're coming from a
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: betting here heading towards some type of food store. So
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: you've got a piece of information in your in your toolkit.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Now you now know where some deer are better. Maybe
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: there's like I said, doze and young bucks. Maybe a
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: couple of dolls and a young buck came from this swamp.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe now you realize that's potential betting are So what
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I go back to the same stand in the morning.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you were hunted, if you were
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: hunting on the edge of a field where those deer
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: were feeding after daylight, I would probably say don't go
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: back there in the morning, because that is likely where
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: the deer or some deer might be feeding in the
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: morning before daylight as you're walking in there, and there's
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: like a great chance you might spook those deer. So
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: the better you know decision might be. Now that you
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: learned where a betting area is, look back at how
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: might you be able to access that betting area from
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: a different direction and hunt within it? If you want
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: to get there in the morning, you want to be
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: where the deer heading. You don't want to be where
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: the deer are right when you're walking in. So let's
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: say you now know that that swamp is where there's
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: seem to be some doughs betted. Think about how you
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: can get there without spooking deer in that field and
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: set up a tree stand in that swamp for your
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: next morning hunt, and you might be able to catch
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: those doughs or that young buck coming back to it
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: um that next time. Maybe that's a couple days later
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: or whatever it is. But take that information and utilize
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: it for a future hunt, but not necessarily going back
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: right to that same stand in the morning. That's one
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: hypothetical situation that I just thought of, Dan, What are
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on that or another hypothetically you might have
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: in mind. Yeah, for the most part, it's it's where
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: is the deer's destination. So if it's early season, more
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: than likely. And if it's if the deer that you
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: saw were does that came through after dark, they're on
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: there that you know pretty much. They pretty much have
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: uh a bed to feed pattern all year long, except
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: for when the bucks are kind of chasing them around.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: But you have to know that if your access route
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: to your tree stand is the destination, then you should
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: avoid that access route, try to find another one, or
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: not hunt that particular stand. That's mighty sense. Yeah, Now
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I will add let's let's look at the different situation.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Let's say this is a mature buck. And let's say
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: this is in the rut, and so this buck came
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: out after shooting hours, but let's say it's close to it,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: and you saw him come out of this place. And
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: let's say you're not on the field. Let's say you're
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: back in kind of a travel quarter and you saw
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: this buck moving through, traveling to some other place, but
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: not necessarily you know, this isn't the destination where you're at.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: You now you know that there is a mature buck
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: in the area, and yeah, it was after shooting hours,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: but there wasn't a sure buck in the area, and
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: maybe he was on a dough, locked on a dough,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: and that type of situation, I might be more apt
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: to go back in there in the morning if I
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: can access it again without spooking deer, because you know,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: at that time of year, if you find a hot
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: dough with a buck locked on or there's a great
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: chance that they're going to be in that general area
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: for for a bit of time. So if you're in
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: a travel quarrior or close to a betting area and
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: you think you can get in there without spooking deer,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: then that is a situation where I would say get
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: back in there and stick to it until you know
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: you've given that time, that area some decent time, because
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: there's a great chance at that type of situation they
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: might circle back, or they might be in that general
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: area for the next four hours or however long, and
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: then you might have an opportunity to call one in
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: or or see them coming back through the same spot.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: So I think it all depends on the circumstances, um
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: But I think to your point Dan too, what I
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, you got to think about your access. You've
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: got to think about where's the destination and when are
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: they coming through either one of these different spots, and
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: how does that all factor into how do you get
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: in and out of the stand, And then you know
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: what is the reason you're hunting that stand at that
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: time of day. So if it's a field edge hunt
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: for a morning, a morning sit lots of times the
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: deer are gonna be least in many cases are gonna
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: be back in the cover before daylight anyways, So that's
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: not gonna be a great spot to be anyway. So
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of things to think about, and of course
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: is a relatively new hunter, that's something that you haven't
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: necessarily had the experience to to think of all these
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: different hypotheticals, but hopefully this kind of lays out a
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: few of those things to think about. What's the next
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: question in I don't have the piece of paper? Can
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: you think of a random Do you have any questions?
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Have you emailed me questions they haven't answered? Uh? Yeah,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Why hasn't money been deposited in my account? Yeah? That
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: comes down to performance on the job, Dan, and were performance?
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Um man. I'm not gonna make any jokes about that.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna just gonna move on. We got another
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: question from Nick. Nick says his first question is what's
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: our opinion on flashlights? When entering or exting your stand
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: in the dark? Do you use a bright flashlight, dim flashlight,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: different colored light, or no light at all? That's our
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: first question from Nick. Flashlights? What do you do? Dan? So,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: I like to use the red ones, um and the
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: ones that I guess from what my understanding? Do you
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: have trouble seeing that or they're not spooked by it?
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Kind of like on some of these traike cameras that
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: we have today, where it's a red flash and a
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: deer necessarily aren't effected, aren't affected by it, I guess. However, Um,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: there are some uh, access routes that I take that
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I need. I need some light to get into, So
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: whenever possible, I point my flashlight or my head lamp
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: straight down at my feet. And what this does is
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: the timber it casts less shadows. So if you have
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: your flashlight pointing straight down and try to keep it
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: just aimed at your feet and that there's no kind
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: of side glow to it, dear, deer will pick up on,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: you know, the shadows that are kind of Will they
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: be spooked by it? I don't know. Just depends on
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: what kind of property you're hunting. Um, But I always
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: try to have my flashlights straight down. I mean, for
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: some of my access routes. Like I said, it's a necessity.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I have to have some kind of artificial light going
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: into my tree stands. Yeah, yeah, I think I echo
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of what you said there. I always use
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: a red light because, like you said, dear dear, don't
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: have they can't see that wavelength of light. They see
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: it as just a dull gray. It doesn't come out red,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: so it is the least noticeable form of light. That
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: you could use when going in and out. Um. You know,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: that's why we wear red or orange when hunting with
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: the firearm season, because we can see that, but dear
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: don't see the way we do. So red lights are
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: definitely the best choice when you're getting in and out. UM,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: But to your point, it needs to be bright enough
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: that you can actually, you know, see, So I've had
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: issues with I've tried a number of different headlamps and
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: they're all like just the red. The red filter on
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: it dims the light so much it makes it tough
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: to utilize. So I've just had to try a lot
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: of different headlamps to try to find one that's actually bright.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Some are really great, some are not. I would say,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: if you are in the market, really pay attention to
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: that and get the highest lumen rated headlamp you can
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: get with a red light. UM. I think that's pretty important.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: So that's my take on it. Nick had a second
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: question though. First Dan it's about nose mmer. He says
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: he used it last year and it worked well, But
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: is it possible to overuse it if you apply it
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: to yourself and your stand every single hunting SEP. Do
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: you think the deal will begin to associate it with
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: hunters or danger, especially if other hunters in your camp
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: are using it. This is something I thought about and
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I've got I definitely don't have
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: an official answer on it, but I know you've interviewed
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: the founder of Knows, Jim Or is that right? Yeah,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I actually interviewed the guy who came up with the product,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: and UH, if you want to check that out, you
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: can go to the podcast and check that out. But
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: from my understanding it it's you know you're gonna have
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: to I can't. I'm not gonna try to quote anything,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: so just go listen to it. But I use it.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I've seen great success with it, and UM, as far
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: as overusing it, you can't. According to the guy, you
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: can't overuse it. UM if they start to associate that
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: with danger, I don't think they're going to. But you know,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I've used it now for three years and I've definitely
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: seen better success with deer coming from my access point.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: So all I can say is that I've used it
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: and I believe it works. Yeah, I can't speak to
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: you know whether or not that could happen, and I
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: don't know the science of it. But I mean, I
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: guess if you just think about the fact that you know,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: here's a stimulus, the stimulus would be a scent or
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: in this case, it's kind of like the ability to
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: not be able to smell. So I think it maybe
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: depends on how what's the actually physiological reaction for dear
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: So you know, in this case, it's just that this
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: like overwhelming scent of like vanilla. I think that jams
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: the roll factory system makes it difficult for them to
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: smell of the things. So if that deer has some
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: type of sensation when it catches a whiff of nose jammer,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: So that's a stimulus. If that stimulus is consistently associated
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: with a negative stimulus being let's say, seeing a hunter,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: then after being spooked by hunter, hypothetically I think that
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: could happen. You could they could develop a negative association
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: with that stimulus, but I think that it is much
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: less likely for that to happen. Then the reaction that
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: you get when a deer receives the stimulus of human scent,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: which is something that's ingrained in them for you know,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: instinctually from history, knowing that is a dangerous predator for eons,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: and then that is a reinforced behavior over the course
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: of its entire life as it smells that thing from
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: every single hunter or human that goes in there, he
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: smells it and then SUSI human or spooked by human,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: or its mom gets spooked by human or whatever it is.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: So I think that is a that is one of
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: those things that is is reinforced so much more often
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: than could possibly happen. In your case, with you or
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: maybe you and your buddy using nose jammer on a
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: handful of hunts and you know, maybe one of those
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: hunts you spooked deer and they associate it. I think
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: it's much much less likely to happen. Yeah. In the interview,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: the guy basically use this example. If you've ever walked
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: into a pizza store, you know, like a pizza hut
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: or something like that, you open the door and you
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: get this overwhelming smell of pizza so much so that you, yeah,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: you don't smell anything else. That's what nose gamers doing.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: But what if you walked into a pizza hut and
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: you've got this overwhelming smell of pizza, and then every
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: time you do that, someone hits you over the head.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: That's yes, that's your buddy. I mean, then I'd start
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: to be like, holy ship, here comes pizza. Not get
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: me out of here. I better start eating more more Mexican.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: So I think it. I think it's like hypothetically they
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: could develop a negative association. But I think it, and
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but you would have to condition them, yeah,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: all year round. Yeah, because it's just because that would
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: be so much smaller of a percentage of their situations
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: as they have in a smelling human odor and how
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: they've been, you know, uh, condition to respond in that case.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: So interesting question though, It's definitely an interesting hypothetical to
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: you to what you said to I have not seen
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: a negative Um. I've not seen a change in how
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: deer react to nose jammer yet in my hunting situations.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: And I've used it for two seasons now, so I
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: haven't seen anything negative yet. But I guess, you know,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: we'll have to continue reporting on that and see if
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: things change or not. I don't know. The only thing
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: that I would consider negative about it is some deer
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: get curious and they want to they follow the scent
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: to your stand and then you got dear, you don't
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: want to kill around your stand, and that can be
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: a big problem. I have had that, and I'm so
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: far it hasn't resulted in me getting busted, but it's
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: gotten me panicking pretty bad. I'm like, oh, please, don't
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: look up here, Please don't look up here. You know,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: like in a case where if I'm hunting from the
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: sure buck, if I'm out there buck hunting and a
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: bunch of does come through, like I want you just
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: please pass through, don't get spooked. I don't want anything
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: possible to happen that will screw this up. And then
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: they start coming right to your base, basically your tree stand,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: and then you start getting nervous. So so far it
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: hasn't it has not nip me in the butt yet,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: but that's a good point. It could happen. Interesting stuff. Nick,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Thanks to that question, Chris. Chris is our next question,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: ask her, and this is I forgot that I include this.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Chris says, I believe on one of your podcasts you
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: can't even finish it. I can't even finish it. He said,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: al Right, I gotta compose myself. He says, I believe
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: on one of your podcasts you mentioned how you have
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: a weird show you need to settle down. You're a professional, Mark,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: I'm really gonna struggle this, he says. I believe you
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: mentioned that you have a weird shaped head, or that
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: your ears sit higher than the first person, causing hats
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: to look completely ridiculous on your head. Well, I have
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: the exact same problem. I wanted to know if any
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: of them laughing at a listener, so he wants to
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: know if any of the wired Hunt hats fit in
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: my head. If so, would they work for him only
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: if they're flat build, right, Mark? Oh no, the flat
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: built hats look ridiculous on me. They look ridiculous. The
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: hats that fit my weird shape had the best are
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: are the flux fit wired Hunt hats. Those look I
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: think they look good at me, and my wife's doesn't
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: look good at me. So those are the ones that
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: will work for your head, buddy. I apologize that you
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: have the same issue that I do, Chris, and that
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: we're laughing at your at your physical attribus. We're laughing
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: with him because I can. I'm right there in the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: same boat. This is this is my issue too. It's
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: true though, I buy a lot of hats and the
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: stupid things are way too high and I look ridiculous.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: So there's that problem solved. Buy a wired to Hunt hat,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Wired Hunt flex fit hat. That's the one so now,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: and that's a weird Hunt dot com slash shop. You'll
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: find this hat now. Now. My question, you still owe
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: me a cameo hat? I do, Well, you never said
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: you were going to give me one, but I want one.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: If you want one, I will send you one. I
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: just text me so I remember and us ship it
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: out to you. Buddy. You're definitely deserving hashtag co host benefits.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: There you go, Chris. You know that was Chris's question.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Eli Eli has another question unrelated to head sizes or
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: hats or anything like that. Here we go, all right.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: My question is that I've been contemplating starting my own
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: blog for a couple of years, but I haven't because
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I've been scared to put out my real name and
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: trail camera photos of the deer on our family property.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Reasons being the area that I live in isn't necessarily
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: a big buck area, but our neighbors and us have
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: been able to take some nice deer in the past
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: few seasons. So have you so mer, You or me
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Dan have we noticed any strange activities around our hunting
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: properties or poaching. I know it's the worst case scenario,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: but I do get paranoia every October about poachers. Some
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: of our land is easily shined from the roads and
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: areas that can't be seen from any houses. Am I
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: being too scared or entrusting of people? What do you think? Dan?
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Do you worry about that? All? I? In a way?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I do? Um. I share, I've shared, shared, I've shared
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: pictures in the past and have gotten messages from people
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: with trail camera pictures of the same buck, so they know, Yeah,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: they know where I hunt. Now, Um, I mean it's
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: not it's not a real secret where I hunt. I
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: not gonna go out. Why don't you just come right
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: out and come right out and tell us, Danny, where
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: do you hunt? I hunt only with high fence outfitters. Oh,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: there you go. You just we're gonna get so many
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: nasty emails now, thirty a hunt, that's how much I
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: spend for n that's all assume. Let me see your
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: pictures right, high fence all the way, that's all I do.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: I don't own any I don't own any property or
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: or hunt private ground there's a there's this there's this
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: little app Dan called Clamor that allows you to take
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: snippets of a podcast and share on social media. And
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna snipet that one line there where Dan
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Johnson says I only hunt high fences and I spent
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: I'm going to share that everywhere. Yeah, that'll do it.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: But as far as a blog is concerned, hey, man,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: if you don't if you don't feel comfortable, if you
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: feel that your message is positive and it's gonna help
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: others or whatever, your goal of your blog blog is
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: use a pen name. That's fine. Writers have been doing
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: it for years. Um, yeah, there's that. It's a good idea.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Or I mean, or just be careful about how much
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: you're putting out there. Um, I mean, I definitely thought
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: about it and had my concerns. But at the same
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: to your point, in the long run, I think, you know,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: the benefits, hopefully the larger benefit of me sharing these
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: stories and pictures and lessons learned whatever. I think that
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: the greater good is more important than the potential chance
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: of maybe somehow this negatively impacting my own hunting. Um
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: So that's been my own take on it. But I
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: definitely am careful about it. I mean, it's unfortunately we
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: have to be, but it's just a reality of the
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: world we live in now. So you know, I don't
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: give I don't share details of specific places where I hunt,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: specific locations, particular parts of a county, or anything that
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go that detailed. Um uh So that
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: kind of thing I think is is is okay to
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: keep to yourself, and I think people understand that. Um
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: But you're gonna have to see your on your own.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: It can be totally dependent and different on different situations,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: and it's hard to say exactly what that could be
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: in your case. Amen. Alright, So before we get to
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: our next question, we're going to pause briefly for word
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• 1:05:51
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• 1:05:54
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• 1:06:25
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• 1:06:30
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• 1:06:38
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  Speaker 1: and what plants it will. And that's what you want
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• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: back to our next question, Corey asks a question of
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: me in you. Corey says, I own a sixteen acre
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: piece of timber that has some hills and valleys, and
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: it sounds like this sixteen acre piece of timber is
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: part of a larger two fifty acre woods in southern Illinois.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: He says he's only been hunting about sixty years or so.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: I'm still learning and doing lots of trial and errow work.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: My ground is decent, but I've only seen one mature
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  Speaker 1: block on the property and have shot a few doughs.
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  Speaker 1: Only one other person and myself bow hunt the entire
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: two acre area. As far as I know, there are
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: some shotgun hunters. They're during the firearm season. I was
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: wanting to plant a small food plot of some sort
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: on or near an old logging road to how to
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: get more dear into my area. Ah. He mentioned he's
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: got some good oat trees and for simmons and a
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: decent bedding area. But I'm just not seeing the deer activity.
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  Speaker 1: I think I should be any thoughts if a food
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: plot would help my situation or any other kind of
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: habit have improvement. So it sounds like he's got a
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: sixteen acre piece of timber as part of a larger
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: two or fifty acre woods. He's not seeing a lot
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: of mature bucks. Would a food plot or a food
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: source or something like that help. I'll let you. I'll
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: let you go in this direction. Okay, Yeah, I have
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: done a little more habitat work. Um, And so I
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: think it when you're when you're looking at a property
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  Speaker 1: and how can you improve a property? How can improve
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: the habitat on a property? You want to look at
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: a couple of things, and the first thing is looking
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: at Okay, what does my property offer right now? And
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: what does the surrounding area offer right now? So look
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: at the big picture. So on your property, think about
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: you know what the dear need. Dear need food, water,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: cover and safety from humans, pressure, places to get away
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: from human hunting, pressu room. So if your property is
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: lacking any of those things, that could be one of
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: the reasons why you're not seeing more dear in your property.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Or it might be that the property around you has
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: much better options in regards to those four factors. So
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: think about that, find out where trying to find where
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: the gap is. So in this case, since you don't
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: have a huge property, you've got only sixteen acres to
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: work with, you need to be pretty targeted with what
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: type of improvement you try to add. So if you
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: look around the surrounding area, let's just say that this
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: two acres of timber have very poor food in them.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Let's say it's just all tall, mature hardwoods, so very
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: little sunlight is getting down to the ground, and maybe
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: there's not a lot of crop fields around you. Now
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: you did say your southern Illinois, so it's probably a
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: lot of egg um. But let's just say and hypothetical
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: that there's not a ton of great food in that
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: small area because of all this timber. In that case,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: then yeah, it might make a lot of sense to
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: put in a bunch of or some type of food
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  Speaker 1: plot that's very attractive and different than the food sources
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: around you, because that's that unique factor that you can
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: provide in that area to pulland deer. On the other hand,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: maybe let's say that all that timber is relatively new timber,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: there's lots of cuts in the timber, and there's food
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: plots in it from the neighbors, or there's just lots
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: of underground underbrush and lots of food and there's tons
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: of egg fields all around you. Maybe food isn't the
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: issue in your area. So let's say that you do
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: this kind of audit and you see that actually, really
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: good cover is the biggest lack, is the greatest factor
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: that's lacking in that case, Then the smarter thing, I
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: think in many cases, would be to improve the cover
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: on your property and provide that unique thing on your
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: place there. So try to find what's missing around you
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: and provide that on your farm. And I think that
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: is a good starting point for how to make a
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: decision about what kinds of habitat improvements can make the
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: biggest difference on a place like sixteen acres. You might
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: not be able to do everything, So being smart about
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: your one habitat improvement or two habitat improvements that you
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: can make is I think the way to go now
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: that's that it's it's hard to go wrong with some
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: kind of food plot. So I would just think long
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: and hard about, Okay, where the dear bedded, where they're
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: coming from, trying to relegate as much of your property
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: too dear as possible, because you can very easily overhunt
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: a sixteen acre parcel um, so I would be careful
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: to try to not overhunt it and be strategic about
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: where you place that food plot so that as much
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: of the property is not impacted when you hunt, and
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: that when you do hunt, you've got a high probability
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: that deer will be moving into that area, checking out
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: that food plot and giving a shop. So that's kind
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: of my my high level thought process when thinking through
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: a question like that. Definitely a food plot definitely could
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: be helpful, but do that audit first, right, any anything
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: else you would add to that day. You know, I'm
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: getting ready to start planning my very first food plot
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: this year, and it's gonna be probably a half acre, um,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: maybe somewhere around there, if I had to guess. And um,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: it's on a small piece of property. It's fifteen acres.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: And the thing about it is, you gotta know what
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: you're gonna plan because small food plots mean that in
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: depending on what kind of deer n city do you have,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: they could wipe out if it's not the right food plot.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: So and you know, if if food is not the problem,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: like Mark said, you gotta there's other things to do,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: like make your property a thick, nasty mess, if that's
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: an option for you, and create more betting. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: have you, Um, I can't remember have you decided? We did?
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: We have talked about it, I can't remember we talked
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: about on air. Have you decided officially what you want
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: to plant in that food plot? And I know for sure, Um,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be Braska's in it, But I'm not sure
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: what else I'm gonna put in there. I might do
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: a little mix. And I think I heard you mentioned
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: and everybody else is saying some kind of oats with
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Braska so they got something for the you know, middle
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: of the season that you're mid October, and then you
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: get they got something for UM late season two. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: that that is exactly my what I really like to
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: use in my area. And I when people ask about
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: what to plant for food plots, you know, I think
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: they mentioned grant and Bill mentioned it and lead to
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: I think in our hundredth episode, but echoed again, there's
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: no one size fits all food plot prescription. It's always
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: gonna be depending on your area and your soil and
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: all sorts of different circumstances. But in my circumstances, and
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: it sounds like you've got there too, that type of
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: combination of oats and Brasca's really is a dynamite combo
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: for that full season activity, because, like you mentioned, the
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: oats will have them in there in October and November,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: and then the Braskas will have them there, and then
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: we'll have them in there from November through December January. UM.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: One tip I'll give you, Dan what I like to
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: do when planting those two things is I do not
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: mix them all together. I instead split the food plot
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: in half. And the reason why I do that is
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: because brassicas and most crops in general should not be
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: planted in the same area over and over and over again.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: With brassicas, um, I believe the literature says that you
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: should not plant Braska's in the same section more than
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: three years in a row. So what you want to
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: do is you want to rotate those crops. So what
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: I do is, even on like a half acre food plot,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: I split that half acre down the middle, plant oats
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: on the on the left side, braskas on the right side,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: and then every year flip flop them so I can
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: still plant the same thing that plot. It's just different
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: sides over and over. Um. So that's one one easy
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: way to be able to rotate your crowd but still
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: keep that same great mix of of forage in the
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: same area, right, makes sense? Yeah? Um. So I'm looking
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: through some of these other questions we have here. I
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: got a question from Charles Um and we kind of
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: already spoke to it, but I'm going to, well, let
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: me see here, Well, maybe we can speak to it
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: just a little more. Charles says, my question for you
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: involves using trail cameras to pattern a specific buck excuse me,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: and the frequency in which you check those cameras. I
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: really feel like I could be utilizing my cameras a
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: lot better in season, and I plan on using the
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: tactics similar to what Bill Winki uses, but with a
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: combination of hip boots, rain pants and sent control to
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: reduce my residual scent when I'm checking my cameras. Any
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: input on location of cameras and check frequency would be appreciated.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: So we talked about this a little bit, But just
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: in this specific instance, do you want to add anything
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: more when it comes to how we are trying to
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: keep pressure low with our cameras, where we're putting them,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: how we're checking them, our sent control related to that,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: or anything else related to that topic. Damn. I mean
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: all I do is where rubber boots when I UM
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: go to check my trail camera, and sometimes even I
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: even don't do that. So my frequency UM on my property,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: my main hunting property is about once a month UM
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: in the summertime during the season. It just depends on
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: if I'm hunting that weekend or not, or you know,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: during the rut. Obviously you're checking your trail cameras a
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: little bit more. If your goal is to harvest a
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: specific deer. But other than that, I mean, you have
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: to know that your dear are they spooked easily? Can
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: you get away with, you know, going into your camera
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: set and potentially busting one, or you know, are your
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: dear high pressured for you know, I got one piece
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: of property where I can I could probably check my
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: trail cameras every day if I wanted to, and the
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: deer are used to human activity. And then I got
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: other piece of property where I kind of gotta be
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: careful and luckily that property is a long ways for me,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: and um, you know, once a month isn't gonna bother them.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: That's a great point. It's very situation and regions specific
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: based on you know, like you said, how your dear
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: react to pressure. So in a place like Michigan, I'm
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: super careful about it because there's so much hunting pressure
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: versus when I hunt in Iowa or something where there's
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: slightly less pressure. Maybe in that certain area hunting, I
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: can be a little bit more aggressive. Um, but you know,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: I go a couple of things that you mentioned, Dan
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: and some stuff I mentioned earlier. I do try to
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: take send control into account every time I'm checking cameras Um.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: So if I'm not already going into hunt which, like
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: I said, early or most of the time, and I'm
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: checking cameras during the season, it's going to be in
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: a situation where I'm already passing by because I'm heading
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: into hunts. In that case, I'm already you know, fully
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: sent free as best as possible in my hunting gear, etcetera, etcetera. Um.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: But if it's a situation where I'm not and I'm
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: going in just to check a camera, I'm wearing rubber boots,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: I'm sprayed, I've sprayed those down at least, and I'm
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: wearing gloves Levin sprayed down. So if I touch anything
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: when the boots or hands, that's going to not leave
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: any super extracent Um. I'm definitely considering wind when I'm
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: going into check cameras, so I'm not gonna go check
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: a camera and have my wind blow right into a
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: betting area. Um. I'm also thinking about the time of
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: the day, so I'm not gonna go check trail cameras
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: early in the morning or late in the evening when
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of deer probably on their feet moving. I'm
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: either gonna be um checking those cameras in the middle
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: of the day when those deer betted, assuming I'm in
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: a place I'm checking cameras where you know it's not
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: near a betting area, or in some cases, I will
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: drive out to um field edge stands or sorry field
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: edge cameras in the middle of the night in my
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: truck or a TV if I know that it's a
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: food source or a field that deer aren't feeding at
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: that time of year. So for example, uh, you know,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: maybe there's just like a wide woman crp field or
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: something like that that deer just typically aren't going to
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: be in the evening. I know they're out in the
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: food sources. Well, in that case, if I'm going to
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: be checking them in the middle of the night, I'll
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: go out there in my vehicle. I know there's not
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: gonna be deer out there or very it's not very likely,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: and I can check those cameras. Um then I guess.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: On that note, like I said earlier, as much as possible,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: I try to access those by vehicle of some way.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be utilizing a bike more this year,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: and I try to go um by bike because I
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: think that's quieter, leaves less scent and then maybe has
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: a slightly less of a negative impact on deer too.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: So that's something I'll be adding to my strategy this
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: year as well. So that's kind of kind of my
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: trail camera philosophy. I always air on caution with them.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: I think that that can be beneficial. But like we,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: like we've been talking about, there's definitely a lot of
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: risks associated with them too if you if you go
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: too hard at it. So, um, let's see here, Dan,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: I could do this all day. I'm having fun. This
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: is fun. I like it. It's kind of it's laid back.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: We can just kind of tackle different topics, and I
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: kind of want to do this more often, so hopefully
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: people enjoy listening to it. I guess that could be
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: the one kinking our plan. Um alright, Steve has got
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: a question. He says, he I work for a company
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: that installs and manages native prairie prairie ecosystems across Minnesota
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: and North Dakota. Um, there's a customer in particular, located
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: in northern Dakota who owns a large piece of ground
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: and he's sure that no one has permission to hunt
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: it due to the fact that landowner is very wildlife friendly.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: With that being said, his question for us is, have
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: you ever dealt with landowners like this? Through our years
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: of experience? Have you found in any ways that feel
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: that I feel worked better while asking for permission to
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: access a piece of land hunt. So I think the
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: question here, Dan is number one advice for asking for permission,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: and then number two what to do in a situation
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: where the landowner seems very wildlife friendly. So maybe they're
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: not pro hunting, maybe not necessarily against it, but they
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: very much like their animals. So I'm going to give
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: you almost the I have an example for this question
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: that is pretty spot on, similar to the question that
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: you asked. So I saw that all these deer were
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: piling out of this one particular piece of property, and
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: I asked, you know a neighboring landowner, Hey, does this
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: lady let anybody hunt in her property? And they're like, no,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: she doesn't. Well, I went and talked to her, come
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: to find out, and that this is not a joke.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: She felt that the white tailed dough was her animal
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: spirit and that she did not want to have any
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: animals harmed on her property. And it wasn't that she
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: was against hunting. She was just against that her animal spirit,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: her dough, you know, does would be harmed by hunters.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: And I said what about bucks? And she's like, well,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: you know, I really don't know. And I said, okay,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: so I this is how I started. I asked her
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: for permission to shed hunt it, and I found the
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: shed off of her property and I gave her the
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: shed and I said, you know this, I kind of
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: bullshited with her a little bit, and I was like,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: I feel that my Indian spirit is white No, this
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: is not a joke. I feel that my indeed spirit,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: or my my my animal spirit is a white tail.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: And in a way I kind of do. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of cool. You know. It's like, if you could be
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  Speaker 1: any animal, what would you be. I'd want to be
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: a giant white tail, right, I think? So I'd be
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: a wolf. I would eat you. Yeah, right, My auntwers
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  Speaker 1: would be so big. I just go quick and just
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: I puncture your your lungs and you can't the power
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  Speaker 1: of the pack. You would try to puncture my lungs
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: and my buddy would get it from behind. So that's
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: assuming Corey Fall is also a wolf. Yeah. Anyway, spirit animals.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Back back to the story, I give her the shed
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  Speaker 1: antler and I, you know, it was like here you go.
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  Speaker 1: You know this is I found this off. Your property
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: has a lot of meaning. You know you should And
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: she's like that is awesome, and she let me hunt it.
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  Speaker 1: I only got to hunt it one year before she
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: sold it, but I was the only hunter to hunt
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: that property. And that particular year was the year I
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: saw giants come in and out of that property. And
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: uh so it's you know, maybe it's not necessarily that
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: they're against hunting, but they may have had some bad
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: experiences in the past, so you should definitely approach it.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: And you kind of have to be a salesman, right,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: you kind of have to tell them what they want
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: to hear. Um because I only hunt with a bow.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: I you know, I'm not going to be in there
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  Speaker 1: making a lot of noise. I'm stealth, I'm a ninja.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: You know you're you're I don't know, you're you're making
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  Speaker 1: a low impact. If they're still hardcore no like I
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: have other you know, places where they're not necessarily nature lovers,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: but they just don't want anybody on their property. I
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: knocked on every door of every property that bordered that
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: piece of property and would gain access to that property
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: of the deer coming and going off of it. So
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: there's definitely options. Yeah, I had agree with a lot
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  Speaker 1: you said that. I think the most important thing is
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: that you need to, Um, you need to try to
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: develop a relationship and put the best foot forward as
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: to how and who you are as a hunter, how
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: you hunt, and who you are as a hunter, and
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: hopefully position that in such a way and prove that's
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: true that you are you know, not maybe whatever they have,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: if they have some type of negative stereotype about hunters,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: or at least in such a way that they will
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: know that you will respect the wildlife and appreciate the
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: wildlife just as they do. Um, you just go about,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: you know, interacting with it in a different way. UM.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's I think it starts with trying
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: to you know, start that conversation and seeing where it
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: goes and if you can build some kind of relationship there. Um.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: You know, that's that's a terrific thing. Like in your case, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: you got shed hunting permission. I think that's a great
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  Speaker 1: way to try to start some type of relationship and
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: some kind of conversation and then just be, you know,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: just be very cognizant of the fact that they might
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: be more sensitive to how we talk about some of
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: these things or how we interact with them. And I
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: think in many cases, if this is someone who's not
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: straight up anti hunting, but just you know, very much
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: pro wildlife, maybe you'll have an opportunity to start having
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: a discussion about why you hunt and and you know,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: how you appreciate wildlife and all these things, and show
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: the fact that you've got a similar value system to
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: them as well. Um And in those cases you might
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: be find an opportunity to actually get in there if
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: if you can, if you can highlight these things in
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: a positive manner. So I would say that that's kind
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: of how I approach it. I like your ideas. I've
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: never tried the spirit animal thing, but I'm gonna keep
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: that in my back pocket just in case. Another I mean,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: another thing that you you kind of gotta look at
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: is I have two particular pieces of property where I
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: shouldn't say I don't have them yet, But excuse me.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: One second, my fly spirit flew down my throat. I
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: hate it when they do that. I'm sorry Mark anyway,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Oh man Tickle, you can edit this out if you want. No.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: I love I love it, you love it. Um. I've
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: I have one property that this summer will be the
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: eighth year in a row that I asked permission to
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: hunt their property and they have told me no seven
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: years in a row. And the hunting, I know there's
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: giant deer in there. Uh betting is awesome based off
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: of maps and the one time they did let me
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: shed hunt the property. I will ask again this year
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: and more than likely they're gonna tell me no. But
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: if I ask this year and they say yes, watch out,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: it'll all be worth it. Yeah, it'll all be worth it.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: And I got another property where it's been four years
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: in a row that they've told me no, and it's
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: almost to the point where oh you again, you know,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: like in a good way, it's like And then we
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: sit and we talked for a while, talk about their
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: farming and cattle and crops and just about everything. Because
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: he's a shotgun hunter and he only shotgun hunts and
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: uh so he hunts maybe three days a year and
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: uh doesn't do anything else on the property. Another awesome
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: piece that you know, just sometimes these things take time,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: and once you're in, you're in and they'll let you
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: do whatever you want. Yeah. I think that's whether it
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: be a situation like that or some other way of
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: going about it, just I think relationships and the most
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: important thing helping someone build trusting you. So if that's
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: every every you stop in, say hi and ask or
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. By finding ways to help people build
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: trusting you and get to know you, you significantly increase
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: your chances that they might be willing to let you hunt.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: And so anything you can do along those lines is helpful.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: And I think, Dan, I think with that, we're gonna
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: wrap it up. Can I ask you a question? Yeah,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: please ask you a question. Are you super jack pumped
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: for this upcoming Dear season? Oh? Man, I am. I am.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: I am super jackpumped. And I'm struggling, like I've got
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: like summer slash fall itis, Like I'm just sick of
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: the spring, I'm sick of the office. I just need
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: to get outside and do stuff. I'm ready to hunt,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to fish. I'm ready to just adventure. I
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: just want to like load up and truck and take
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: off and like not come back to the desk for months.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: I already got already got velvet trail camera pictures, so
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: I'm super jack pumped. There's that. That's awesome. Yeah, I'll
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: be putting up cameras in Ohio this weekend, so that'll
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: get me excited. And every time I go down there,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: I just get all all tingly and worked up because
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: that's just a special place. So that'll be fun. And uh,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: you know, one bummer of a thing is that you know,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: I used to have every year and May DVDs would
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: come out from like Real Tree and Dury Outdoors and stuff,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: and that was like a little way to get that
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: deer fix in May when hunting seasons still so far away,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: Like me and a bunch of buddies would get pizza
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: and watch the movies and stuff a couple of nights,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: and that was just kind of fun. But juries aren't
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: producing DVDs anymore, and I don't know about Real Tree
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: and any of these other guys. DVDs are kind of
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: going the way in the past, so I don't know
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: if we're gonna have those we call him Hornporn. I
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: don't know if we have hornporn nights anymore. Yeah, so uh,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: I want to find some other way to to get
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: our kicks, I suppose, but real important. No, let's let's
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: let's avoid that. Let's avoid that on this podcast is
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: a pg PG show. No it's not. I suppose. I'll
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: agree to that. I'll agree to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: We're family friendly for the most part. Get your kids
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: out hunting right and don't let them listen to Dan
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: too often. Just small doses, small doses. Any final thoughts
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Dan before we wrap this up other than that, No, man,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: I hope everybody has a great weekend. That's what I
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: want to say. All right, I'm right there with you.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: And with that, we will wrap this show up. But
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: just a couple of quick reminders before we shut it down. First,
• 1:29:49
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• 1:29:52
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• 1:29:55
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• 1:29:58
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• 1:30:01
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• 1:30:10
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• 1:30:12
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• 1:30:16
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• 1:30:24
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• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: you all for joining us. I appreciate your time and
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: I hope we got to answer a few of your
• 1:30:32
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