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Joe Rogan Experience _2527 - MrBeast · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Joe Roban podcast. Check it out The Joe Logan Experience,
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  Speaker 1: Train by Day, Joe Rogan Podcast, by night, all day.
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  Speaker 1: It must be very easy to get people to do your.
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  Speaker 2: Show, well, I mean yeah, seeing how we give away
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  Speaker 2: millions of dollars, it's yeah, usually people are very excited
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  Speaker 2: about it. The actual The only hard part for us is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if it's a longer one, just the time
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  Speaker 2: off work. So because sometimes when we shoot like Beast
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  Speaker 2: Games or stuff, you know, it can go for a month.
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  Speaker 2: But besides the work stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, does the other people that haven't been able
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  Speaker 3: to do the show because they couldn't get a month
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  Speaker 3: off work?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, tons of course. So we always have like
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  Speaker 2: even like the day before. You know, sometimes people get
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  Speaker 2: cold feet. So if we're doing something with one hundred people,
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  Speaker 2: we'll usually have ten backups just because you know, I.
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  Speaker 3: Would imagine that the type of person that would do
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  Speaker 3: your show would have a job that they could quit.
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  Speaker 2: Well, uh yeah, I mean I guess it depends, right,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's the YouTube channel where we're you know, doing
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  Speaker 2: you know, one hundred families compete two hundred fifty thousand dollars,
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  Speaker 2: or it's Beast Games where they're competing for five million.
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  Speaker 2: The five million people are way more excited for some
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  Speaker 2: of the you know the YouTube videos. It's not as
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  Speaker 2: like Grandyls are like, uh, I don't know if I
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  Speaker 2: want to lose my job for one percent chance of
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  Speaker 2: winning two undred fifty k.
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  Speaker 1: So, well, how many people when you do Beast Games?
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  Speaker 1: How many people are competing?
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  Speaker 2: So the newest season we just shot, we grabbed one
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  Speaker 2: person from every country on Earth, so it's around two
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  Speaker 2: who Yeah, which I was actually pretty cool because you
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  Speaker 2: would put them in these like crazy games and you'd
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  Speaker 2: see how someone from like the Agent, you know, specific
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  Speaker 2: countries would react versus like someone in South America, and
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  Speaker 2: they play and think so differently because they have such
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  Speaker 2: different upbringings.
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  Speaker 4: So that's really cool.
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  Speaker 3: Did you have to I mean you must have had
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  Speaker 3: to thoroughly vet these people, right.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure they're not insane?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a serial killer? We do the psych and background
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  Speaker 2: checks of course.
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  Speaker 3: No, how do you get that information if you're going
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you have how many countries are there?
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  Speaker 1: First of all, so one hundred and ninety.
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  Speaker 2: We went off of whatever the Olympics do, so it's
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  Speaker 2: like one hundred something around two hundred.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, couple, so some of them have to have some
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  Speaker 3: shitty infrastructure.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I think one of them has literally
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  Speaker 2: forty thousand people living in it. Like it was, uh
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  Speaker 2: what is it? Not the uh something sea islands, not
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  Speaker 2: the Cayman Islands, but some island country And yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, wow, Like my town, which has one hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand people, is two and a half times the population
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  Speaker 2: of your country.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 2: I was joking with the contestant because I was like,
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  Speaker 2: if you win the five million dollars, you could technically
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  Speaker 2: give a two hundred dollars dividend to every single person
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  Speaker 2: in your country. Is Like, it's that crazy, it's that
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  Speaker 2: little people living there.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that's the kind of country. Like I wonder
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  Speaker 1: if you could buy that country.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the GDP is probably you know, a couple
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  Speaker 2: hundred million dollars if I.
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  Speaker 1: Were, yes, someone like Elon or something like that could buy.
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  Speaker 2: There's probably thousands of people in America that could. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I feel bad people from that country listening.
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  Speaker 1: So we didn't say the country Okay, we're good, we're good.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't say it exactly, it's not yours.
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  Speaker 1: They should know what they are. They were they're a
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  Speaker 1: country of forty thousand people. That's just what it is.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with that, but it's uh, it is weird
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  Speaker 3: how many countries there are, and if you've got a
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  Speaker 3: person from every country, what are the odds you're going
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  Speaker 3: to get good data as to whether or not they're
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  Speaker 3: a criminal.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's why I mean, if you saw like our
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  Speaker 2: budgets on what I have to spend on casting those people,
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  Speaker 2: it was ridiculous to be able to get them all
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  Speaker 2: because basically what we did is we got multiple options
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  Speaker 2: for each country. And what I was worried about is
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  Speaker 2: that like the contestant from blank country would suck and
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  Speaker 2: then the country would be like, Jimmy, you hate us
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  Speaker 2: and you purposely picked this, you know, absolute moron. So
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  Speaker 2: we would pick two or three from each country, and
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  Speaker 2: then we let people from those countries votes on who
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  Speaker 2: should compete. It wasn't even one. I had to get
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  Speaker 2: multiple from me each So I think I ended up
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  Speaker 2: spending over a million dollars just on you know, aggregating
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  Speaker 2: and casting and background checks and everything, and then putting
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  Speaker 2: it out there so people could vote on it. But
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  Speaker 2: that way, you know, whatever, like Georgia in Europe. If
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  Speaker 2: that guy's an absolute more on it's on them.
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  Speaker 1: They picked them, right, that's actually very smart.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly how did you come up with the concept for
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  Speaker 3: this show? Like what, First of all, how the fuck
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  Speaker 3: do you have time to do that show as well
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  Speaker 3: as do your YouTube show?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't sleep much during those because like
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  Speaker 2: beat Scans basically is thirty days of just you know,
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  Speaker 2: eighteen hours a day filming and so and for people
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  Speaker 2: who might not have heard of it, it's essentially the
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  Speaker 2: largest cash prize of any show in the World's season one,
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  Speaker 2: we had the most contestants of any show in the
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  Speaker 2: world and the largest sets of any show ever to exist.
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  Speaker 2: And I was just like, what if you take like
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  Speaker 2: a reality show, but you just ramp everything up to
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  Speaker 2: the absolute maximum, and like, like season one we gave
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  Speaker 2: away twenty two million dollars just a season, right, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, some of the biggest game shows in the
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  Speaker 2: world right now give away two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Like we're giving away two million dollars every episode.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that, that's wild. All those that's so crazy.
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  Speaker 2: That sets amazing, and then we build a city and
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  Speaker 2: so alsoly shit My whole thesis behind it with this
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  Speaker 2: is you know when you watch these you know, game
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  Speaker 2: shows or reality shows, there's a lot of takeaways and
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  Speaker 2: like after the show, they'll put people in a room
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  Speaker 2: and they'll be like, hey, talk about what happened here,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like intercut. And I was like, well, what
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  Speaker 2: if we just have a thousand cameras and we just
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  Speaker 2: let people be themselves and we kind of just show
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  Speaker 2: it in real time. So we also, like in season one,
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  Speaker 2: we broke the world record of most cameras ever used
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  Speaker 2: in any production of any movie, show, anything ever. So
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  Speaker 2: like this set right here, there's over twelve hundred cameras
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  Speaker 2: in there, and the most roof is so big, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's bigger than the football field. And so there's a
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  Speaker 2: thousand contestants. We have to have an a cam on
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  Speaker 2: all of them, so there's like a poll on each
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  Speaker 2: other platforms on them. Plus there's hundreds of cameras in
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  Speaker 2: the roof and blah blah, there's over twelve hundred here,
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  Speaker 2: which outside of this, the most ever used for production
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  Speaker 2: was four hundred, So like I literally had two. And
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  Speaker 2: this might seem insane, but this is why I think
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  Speaker 2: the show appeals to quite a few people because normally
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  Speaker 2: in a show, they would have a story producer walk
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  Speaker 2: up to you, hold a camera and be like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: you got three minutes. You're kind of the bad guy,
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  Speaker 2: say roughly along these lines, almost basically put words in
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  Speaker 2: your mouth, and then they'd go like person to person
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  Speaker 2: with like one camera, whereas I go on the microphone,
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  Speaker 2: I go say, whatever the hell you want, we're recording
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  Speaker 2: here for the next ten hours. I don't care. Right,
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  Speaker 2: you all have a dedicated camera on you, So then
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  Speaker 2: instead of like putting words in people's mouths, they can
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  Speaker 2: just do whatever they want.
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  Speaker 3: So do you have someone who actually has to go
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  Speaker 3: back and watch all that footage and edit it and
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  Speaker 3: then put it all out as a show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Well this is why how many people do
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  Speaker 2: you have doing your editing? That's a season. Over one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty editors worked on it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's crazy, and that's obviously why people don't
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  Speaker 2: do it, because it's like, basically, we had to spend
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  Speaker 2: millions of dollars in cameras. It was the world record
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  Speaker 2: for most cameras that we used, which then we also
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  Speaker 2: brought the world rerecord for most camera cables used, because
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  Speaker 2: it's twenty seven miles of camera cables brought the world
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  Speaker 2: director for a largest control. Each of these is millions
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  Speaker 2: of dollars, and you have to bring in millions of
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  Speaker 2: dollars of extra editors. And so next thing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know to take it from ten cameras where you
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  Speaker 2: just essentially put words in people's mouths to unlimited cameras
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  Speaker 2: and they can do whatever you want. You can show
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  Speaker 2: who they actually are as opposed to what you think
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  Speaker 2: they should be. Right with a story producer, it costs
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  Speaker 2: a lot of money, it's a lot of effort in time,
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  Speaker 2: but it shows through in the final product because now
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  Speaker 2: you know, you get more natural, like less scripted things
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  Speaker 2: when people are just themselves.
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  Speaker 3: You have a great ability to see the big picture
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  Speaker 3: and a great ability to put together things regardless of
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  Speaker 3: what the budget is, like regardless of how much money
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna make to do the best product. Like I
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  Speaker 3: always thought that about you when you were doing when
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  Speaker 3: you first started doing your YouTube show. I'm like, the
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  Speaker 3: amount of money and time and effort involved in this
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  Speaker 3: is like above and beyond what most people willing to do,
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  Speaker 3: and it's way more than a traditional television network whatever
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  Speaker 3: do because the traditional television network would look at the upside,
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  Speaker 3: they would look at the money and they would go,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna spend x amount of money to make it
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  Speaker 3: this much better. But if we just take it down
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  Speaker 3: a couple of notches, we save eighty percent. And they
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  Speaker 3: would do that. But you're like, can we make it
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  Speaker 3: even cooler? Let's put all the money back into the show,
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  Speaker 3: which is very risky, man, because not just very risky,
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  Speaker 3: it's just very you have great foresight, like you really
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  Speaker 3: see the big picture of it. Obviously the number one
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  Speaker 3: show in the world, like you have the most watched
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  Speaker 3: show on Earth. You know, your YouTube show is the
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  Speaker 3: most watched show on planet Earth. So it's obviously working.
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  Speaker 3: But it's like that ability to take to make that
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  Speaker 3: set must have been bananas.
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  Speaker 1: That is the fucking enormous building. Did you have to
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  Speaker 1: build the building?
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  Speaker 2: No, so that that's in Toronto, but it's basically an
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  Speaker 2: airport hangar. I mean, we spent months trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: out how we could make this. That also is like
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  Speaker 2: a thousand trap doors because every single one of those
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  Speaker 2: the trap doors open when they get eliminated. So that
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  Speaker 2: set alone was like fifteen million dollars. I mean it
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  Speaker 2: was crazy, thousands of people's time and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually where we film be scams is actually a
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  Speaker 2: pretty big deal because it creates so many local jobs
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  Speaker 2: for people.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there, it was like pretty wild.
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  Speaker 1: Every time can you say, were you filming? Or you
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  Speaker 1: keep it on the road?
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  Speaker 2: That one was Toronto, Canada?
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay cool?
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  Speaker 2: And every time I'd walk around on set, people were
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  Speaker 2: loving it because even though we filmed for thirty days,
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  Speaker 2: there's months leading up to it, a month's after. Sure
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  Speaker 2: it gives people like systant work for six months, whereas
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  Speaker 2: like before they're going project to project every week. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: back on the going above and beyond, that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: my whole thing is like why make content that isn't great?
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  Speaker 2: And we just ask ourselves how do we make the
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  Speaker 2: best content possible as opposed to, you know, how do
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  Speaker 2: we make the most money possible? And when you just
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  Speaker 2: shockingly going with that approach, you just kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Make a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and well and also it's I tell my team
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  Speaker 2: all the time too, like a big difference between us
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  Speaker 2: and other media companies is you know, usually like people
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  Speaker 2: at the top will always shoot down crazy ideas or
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  Speaker 2: tell you it's not possible. Like whenever you have like
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  Speaker 2: these crazy brainstorming sessions, and I tell the team, technically,
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  Speaker 2: anything's possible. If as humans we really wanted to, we
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  Speaker 2: could technically blow up the Moon with enough nukes. Now,
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to do it because it's not worth
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  Speaker 2: the time and it's not worth spending the money. But
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  Speaker 2: you have to have that frame of mind. Everything is,
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  Speaker 2: for the most part, possible if you're one to spend
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  Speaker 2: the time and spend the money. So before you do
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  Speaker 2: the work and just figure out what time it takes
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  Speaker 2: and how much money it costs, you can't say no
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  Speaker 2: to something because almost all the time, like we filmed
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  Speaker 2: in the Pyramids, and I spent one hundred hours living
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  Speaker 2: in the pyramid of Egypt. It was fucking awesome. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, for years, everyone's like they're not going to
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  Speaker 2: let you, you know, live in the pyramids for a
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  Speaker 2: couple of days, Like that's crazy. And I'm like, well
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  Speaker 2: why not, Like did you get a no from the
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  Speaker 2: you know, the leader of Egypt.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: Then I'm like, well, technically as possible, you know, And
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  Speaker 2: and after years of talking with them and helping them
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  Speaker 2: understand that, you know, it's going to be more of
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  Speaker 2: an educational type video and it's not like I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to run up the pyramids and take my shirt
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  Speaker 2: off and be like a lunatic. It'll be really cool.
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  Speaker 2: Eventually they came around to it and they loved the
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  Speaker 2: video and it worked really well. And it's literally like
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  Speaker 2: I could go anywhere in the pyramids for one hundred hours.
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  Speaker 2: I went all the way up to the top of
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  Speaker 2: the Middle Pyramid, we went underneath it. It was it was
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  Speaker 2: really cool, and I like tell my team, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, even some of my most veteran people, when
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  Speaker 2: we get these crazier ideas, their default reaction always is
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  Speaker 2: to go, I just don't think it's possible, and I go,
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  Speaker 2: look it is. Sometimes it's it's just time and money,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and is it worth the effort?
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  Speaker 1: The pyramid one must been nuts.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it was crazy. It was one of my favorite videos.
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  Speaker 1: Is that your first time ever being there? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Actually it was, And so that made it even more
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  Speaker 2: so because I was like learning things at the same
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  Speaker 2: time as I was just walking around and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: be honest, it was like a year and a half ago,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like all a little fuzzy because I was
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  Speaker 2: like so tired. I was just walking around all night.
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  Speaker 2: But it was pretty crazy and surreal. And then going
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  Speaker 2: down into what's that tomb cold where you go down
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  Speaker 2: the ladder and like a couple hundred feet underneath the pyramid.
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  Speaker 1: M I don't know, is that a cyruses? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, a cyruses Yeah, And then it was like flooded
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  Speaker 2: and swimming around under there. It was pretty wild.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, I feel like you should do something like that.
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  Speaker 3: I need to go there. I've been talking about going
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  Speaker 3: there for years. I just for me, it's just a
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  Speaker 3: time thing. My time is so many different jobs. It's
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  Speaker 3: not like one all consuming job. But you have me
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  Speaker 3: it's like commentary for the UFC, doing stand up comedy,
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  Speaker 3: doing the podcast, and also married with children, so like,
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  Speaker 3: I have a lot of responsibilities, so it's tough to
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  Speaker 3: just jet off for a really Ideally, if you're going
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  Speaker 3: to go to Egypt, I feel like you should go
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  Speaker 3: for like ten days.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like at least ten days, do you think.
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  Speaker 2: The Yeah, I feel like they maybe honestly realistic, Like
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  Speaker 2: five days you could do it, and like, I'm curious,
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  Speaker 2: tho if they let you just like do a video
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  Speaker 2: where you walk around and go everywhere, because I wonder, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because I've talked a lot of shit exactly, I'm without
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  Speaker 2: saying it, I'm kind of implying I don't even know
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  Speaker 2: if they want you there.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'd never have said anything bad about it about it.
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  Speaker 3: I just think that the people that run it have
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  Speaker 3: a very narrow minded perspective of how all that stuff
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  Speaker 3: was made, and I don't I think I don't think
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  Speaker 3: they really know, and I think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: gatekeeping in terms of, you know, what the official narrative is.
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  Speaker 3: It's like how it was all made and who made
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  Speaker 3: it and what it's all about. That's why they're really
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  Speaker 3: hesitant to accept any alternative perspectives, because they have a
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  Speaker 3: timeline and they attribute all this construction and there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of evidence that that timeline doesn't make any sense. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: did you check out the sphinx?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: And you can, you know, you can go underneath it
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  Speaker 2: and go in that little room. Yeah, to do that, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Which that's the stuff. I feel like it would mean
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  Speaker 2: even more if you did. You've talked to doctor Zahi. Right, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: did you have him on the show?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, him on the show?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good. Yeah, and so he's obviously the guy,
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  Speaker 2: so you should just call him and see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd rather go for somebody else.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't listen to that episode.
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather go hang out with one of the historians
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  Speaker 1: that I know, Graham Hancock. Yeah. If Graham Hancock would
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  Speaker 1: be the perfect guy to go with.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you and Graham Hancocks walking around, Oh boy, there'd
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  Speaker 2: be some crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, well, whatever happened in that part of the
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: world during that time frame, it's pretty spectacular and it's
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: kind of amazing that no one has ever achieved anything
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: remotely similar to it since.
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's at least forty five hundred years old.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: And that's just a guest though. They really don't know.
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's it's a crazy place. The fact
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: that you got to film a show there is nuts.
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you call a show, and to me it's just
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: a YouTube video. But it's just funny.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: It's a show.
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, of course, And it makes sense because
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: you do stuff at the UFC and year old a
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: lot of it's called shows.
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: But I mean whatever it is is people were watching it.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's just it's just funny to me.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard it called that in years. But yeah,
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: that one was crazy. And I mean one thing that
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: I'm really proud of that we did for season three
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: Beast Games, which like, in hindsight, I'm not even sure
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: how we this one we pulled off. So I want
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: to see your reaction to this. So basically the finale
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: where we have the five million dollars, you have the
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: final contestants. We filmed it in the Roman Coliseum.
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: Whoa.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we crowned the winner of season three with the
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: five million dollar cash prize in the middle of the
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: Roman Coliseum. Played played the first game there and over
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: a thousand years.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: I'm so grateful. I like, we just filmed that too,
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: So I'm like coming off the high and I just like,
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: like it almost makes like it gives me tears. Like
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: what we shot was so cool. We had like a
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: live orchestra like the top ring of there too, so
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: like as the game got dramatic, we would have them
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: like play louder music and stuff. It was like so surreal.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: Like there's multiple because I've done really crazy things in
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: my life. But there's multiple moments during that where I'm
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: just like looking around in the middle of the Colosseum
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: as we're like filming the show, and I'm like, like,
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: this doesn't feel real. It was pretty wild.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: It doesn't feel I mean I went just to visit
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: a few years back and it didn't feel real. It's
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: so strange to imagine like what that was like, you know,
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: how many thousand years ago to when what year were
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: they doing the games in the Roman Coliseum?
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: I would guess nineteen hundred years ago, So.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, what the fuck was it like being in
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: there while that was happening.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: And imagin when they mated what it was like, whoa,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: I'm crazy.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: And it's just it's nuts that you could go walk
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: around it and just trying to understand like this used
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: to be a place where people used to go to
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: see people die yea, to see people get hacked to
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: death by swords, to see people get killed by lions,
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Like what the fuck weres.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also interesting too because I did a lot
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: of research, you know, before he filmed there, and it's
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: also did a good job of you know, back then
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: they had like the hierarchy and like the nobles people
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: would sit at the bottom and the poor people be
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: at the top. And it also played like a good
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: role of like showcasing unity even though there are all
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: these different people from all these different you know, economic statuses,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: they would all be in the arena there, but also
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: remind them where they are and there's like so many
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: political implications of it too. Yeah, and so just everything
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Like basketball games, r court side tickets.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: I didn't even I didn't even think about that.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jack Nicholson court side tickets, famous court side tickets. True. Yeah,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I mean it's the same thing. I think.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: In the Colosseum though, that was the most dangerous seats
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: because like there was a couple of incidents I believe,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: when either a lion or a tiger leapt up and
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: got hold of some people.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well I didn't hear about that, but when I
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: was walking around, you know, they would have the you know,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: emperor like seat right there, and I was like, man,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: if I was a warrior, I could throw spear at him,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: like this is like this is a killer of you.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: But like, how did no one ever just kill this guy?
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I was like that's all I could think about. It's
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: like this is a little too close to the battlefield.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: How close is it?
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: It was like whatever four rows up. It wasn't like
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: anything too crazy, but like there's like obviously walls when
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: you're walking around, like little walls, so you can't just
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: you know, walk into the stands, so they're like kind
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: of trapped in the arena. But it was definitely within
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: spear throwing distance.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I wonder how long it took to build that place,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: because when you're walking around like this is an epic.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Piece of real estate, like you guys built like an
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: insane structure and they did it, you know, almost two
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: thousand years ago or whatever it was. Yeah, so it
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: took eight years to build, wow, from eighty seven to
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: two to a d eighty Yeah.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Wow. Constructions started under.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Vespasian between AD seventy and seventy two. It was completely
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: inaugurated under Emperor Titis around AD seventy nine to eighty,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: so the main build phase lasted roughly six.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: To eight years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating too, because I like to think of
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: like something equivalent now would be like maybe Sofi Stadium,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Like that's such a beautiful, massive stadium. I wonder if,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: like two thousand years from now, would that still be there? Right,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Like all my colosseum is like relatively still intact.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: It's pretty crazy, that's what it's crazy. It's because it's
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: made out of stone. All of our stuff, like cement
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: will rot out. There's no way cement lasts one thousand years.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: All the glass, all the everything will just get absorbed
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: back into the earth. Dang, do you ever see that show?
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: They had a show, like what was it on the
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: History Channel or something like that where it was After
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Humans I think it was called, and it essentially showed
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: how long it would take for cities to completely be
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: absorbed back into the earth. It's nothing long. Yeah, it's
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: not that long. No, it's like a few hundred years
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: and there's nothing left.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually seems like a good show.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was kind of interesting, you know. It was
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: a while ago, so it was probably like shitty AI,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: it was shitty CGI. They could probably do it really
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: good now. Yeah, but I mean if you go to Detroit,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: there's houses in Detroit now that have trees growing out
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: of the basement of the house through the roof. Yeah,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: like they've they've taken over the house and nature is
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: slowly but surely absorbing the building.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: And then skyscrapers are a bigger endeavor, but they could
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: still Nature could still do it. It just takes one
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: dare of time.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: That makes me where my brain goes through it is
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: it makes me want to do a video where it's
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: like I bet you there's like an abandoned village or
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: city that's been overgrown and like doing a video it's
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: to a like Last Human on Earth simulation and then
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: like living there for a month there's and seeing what
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: it's like. That's kind of cool, kind of like the
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Will Smith movie back.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: In the day, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: That'd be so fascinating, like to or maybe do it
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: like with the contestant, like hey, if you spend one
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: month you know in this like isolated civilization, like I'll
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: give you a million dollars or something, and then seeing
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: how they like, you know, use you know, one hundred
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: year old buildings or something. I don't know. It's got
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: my my brain sharning.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: It was not a bad idea, like an I am
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: legend type deal.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but real unscripted exactly.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Right, real unscripted. But then also hire people to be
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: zombies and.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Frame goes you know what I mean?
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Hi, hire people like c gi them up, scare
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: the funk out of people.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I've been wanting to do that for a while, but
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I always get like hung up on like, Okay, we
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I can make some real zombies, but the problem is
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: like how do they kill them?
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: And then you know, well, the other problem is what
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: happens if you if you're not telling these contestants that
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: zombies are coming, you're just trying to.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Get a reaction out of them.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: What if this guy thinks it's a real zombie and
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: kills one of the people.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I we would tell them. I would have
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: to say a zombie simula, and you know, and then
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I'd have to set rules on here. So how you
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: kill a zombie? You don't use a sword. You use
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: this fulm thing and it's lame, which is why we've
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: never gone around to it. But if there ever was
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: a way, I do think that would be cool to
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: like recreate an actual zombie apocalypse and like let someone
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: try to live in for a week, because it'd just
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: be cool because everyone's exposure to this is through scripted shows.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: But to see someone like truly live in an unscripted
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: one where we build run down gas stations and there's
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: like food that like we would say, this is set
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: in the year twenty sixty, so I'd have set designers
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: and everything design it where it like only laughy taffy
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: is still edible and stuff, And it was like, how
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: true recreation of it? I've always wanted to do stuff
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: You could totally do that. There's a bunch of abandoned
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: towns now.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: It's just the one thing we could never figure out
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: is how does someone kill a zombie? And it's not lame,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: right because imagine someone with the nerve sword hidden a zombie.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Oh Now, it's like, Okay, this is a fucking lame
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe a paintball type deal.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's where our head goes because we're we
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: have a different video similar thing. But the problem with
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: paintball and airsoft isn't have to wear a mask right
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: for people to get shot in the face obviously, and
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: then it kind of kills it.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, unless the zombie masks were what was the protection.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we put it over top of the that's yeah,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: poor poor actors, they're gonna.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Or you just have instead of like a regular paintball mask,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: have something that's just a hard structure that is like
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: your the shape of your face exactly, make it fist
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: to your face, and then you know, you give them
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: goggle something clear so their eyes are protected, and then
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: you do all the makeup on top of it.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I should hit you up for
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: these zombie things.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: That actually would Yes, that's perfect. That's an airsoft mask.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: That that that would be pretty cool.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, oh dude, that's actually dope. Look at those masks,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: the half faced zombie ones. Yeah, that's fucking dope. Like
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: you could that would be terrifying coming at you in
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: the middle of the night.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Listening wants to live in an abandoned town for two
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: days all zombies try to kill you.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I think we're onto something now now that I saw
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: those masks, I'm like, Okay, I like it because that
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: could be the zombies.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Well where my head goes because the videos are so big, right,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: this is probably a five ten million dollar project. I
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: probably would build this abandoned city do I'm the last
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: man on the planet, and it's like me there for
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: some time, and then afterwards, like a couple months like film.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Then right after film a video where I give someone
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: a million dollars. They live there for ten days, but
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: they have to find off zombies with their friends, and
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: then we, yeah, reuse the set location. Because if I'm
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: gonna completely set deck up basically a whole city, oh
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: my gosh, that's gonna be a monster. But yeah, if
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I did both those back to back there, I'd actually
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: be pretty pretty gnarly and worth the effort.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I think I like the idea.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Now, yeah, now that I see those masks and I
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: think about like paintball or something along those lines.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: What I'm picturing too is like ideal, we can find
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: a seat with the skyscraper because I want like someone
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: with the long lens pointed down of like someone picture
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: them on a street. It's pitch black and they have
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: like a fire and it's them and their three friends,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: and you know, then they hear noise and zombies and
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: stuff like those shots would be so beautiful, Like I
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: mean that it would probably be one of the most
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: beautiful videos ever. And I'm picturing we put like vines
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: like on all the buildings and stuff too.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: So well, if you wanted no one around, it's gonna
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: be hard because you're gonna have to do in an
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: abandoned place exactly, and you're not gonna get an abandoned skyscraper.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe so less you're in Detroit. Well we also it
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to be in the US. We did a
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: video seven Days in an abandoned city where there's like
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: someplace in Europe where there was a city that was
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: like war torn and stuff like that, and it had
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: like hotels and tall buildings and everything. It was pretty
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: pretty wild. So really yeah, and there's no one in
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: it now, no one in it, like tourists go there,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: but they let us close it off for a week.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: It was pretty crazy.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Well that's the place then, Yeah.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I just wonder if they'll you know, it's a little
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: bit of history there, so I doubt they'll let me
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: go in and like set deck everything like crazy.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: But and also paintball everything exactly.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well with those masks, we could do airsoft, which
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: would be maybe even easier. Well, actually no. The problem
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: with the airsoft then is the trust system. You don't
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: know if they got hit. So paintball is probably more that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah you need paintball. Yeah, you eat paintball, and it
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: needs to look good when it splotters against them.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I just you know, if someone on my team's watching this,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: just clip the last ten minutes of this and send
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: it to the creative team. I got you, guys, I
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: believe in you.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Is there another way to kill a zombie other than paintball?
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: That would be wild? Like? Is there something else?
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Well, one thing we've been working on because I've always
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: wanted to like do hunger games in real life as
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: well as so like these like suits where you could
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: you know, electronic like laser tag where you could just
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: shoot and then it just like lights up.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: So what about shotguns with bean bags? You know, because
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: they use those for people to like take out, like
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: when the non lethal loads, you know, they have like
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: bean bags they shoot out of a shot.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: The question I wouldn't need is like if I shot
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: you with it like three feet away, would you still
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: be fine? If I guess you could probably adjust the
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: pressure and stuff where it's not not really okay, Well
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: you could, but you couldn't vary it. This isn't fear factor.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: This is mister b.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: It's a great line.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny. I need to give you
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: a blood and let you just help me cook. On
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: this video, I can see there's.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Something in there.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: You just have to figure out an exciting way to
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: kill them where it doesn't actually hurt the stunt people
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: or whoever's wearing the masks, whoever pretends to be a
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: zombie who would have to be something. I was thinking
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: light them on fire, but that's.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Could you pull up the seven Days Abandoned City video
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: and just skip to some brandom part I'd love for
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: him to see, like the like how it looks, because
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: that with what you're picturing, and that really would be
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: something you can't find anywhere else. And that's what gets
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: me excited is when it's content you can't find anywhere else.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: That's typically, you know, a huge indicator that if it's
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: done well, people like it.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Have you seen the show from from I don't think
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: so great great show, but it's about the you.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Look at that shot posita right there, like or so
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: that's just one random building, but you can maybe go
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: to the intro or something if you want to just
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: show them like, yeah, this whole place, like look at.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: These ohoh oh my god, this is perfect.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like yeah, if you posit there, those
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: are all the buildings in the city.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Oh dude, this is the spot. Listen.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: The show starts at sundown every night. Okay, as soon
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: as the sun goes down, that's when the games begin.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Nothing happens until it gets dark out. Everything is in
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: the dark, and these people have no idea when it's
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: gonna happen, when they're gonna get hit, and so they
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: try to get their sleep whenever they can.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: But you keep them awake during the day with tasks.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: You keep them away.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: So during the day they have all sorts of materials,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: they have supplies, they have all sorts of things, and
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: they have to figure out how to protect themselves, how
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: to develop shelter alarm systems for when the zombies are close.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: They give them, yeah, give them time to like figure
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: out stuff to do to keep the zombies away, and
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: a limited amount of materials that they can work with,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: and just let these people get creative and their ingenuity.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: But then you keep so that they'll be busy during
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: the day so they're not gonna be able to sleep.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: So at night time when it gets dark out, then
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: they don't know when it's gonna hit. So you have
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: these people sitting around and it might be seven pm,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: eight pm, nine pm.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: And then three in the morning.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Shit, thirty zombies come in and they got a shm.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: And they're creeping in. Like they're creeping in.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Bro, you're getting me excited. It would be so fucking
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: cool to like let them build a structure or something
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: and then like and I'm legend where he has to
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: point the lights because they hite lights, but like at
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: night time, like they'll have to we can hide lights
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: throughout the city that they'd have to collect and then
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: set up so they have good vision around their ford
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: and everything. And then they have like you know cycles
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: where they take turns watching and stuff. And then we
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: only send the zombies at theoretically at night or whatever
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: the structure would be, so they have chill time or
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: maybe every night forty zombies are leashed and then so
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: they're like they shot like thirty five of them, but
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: they're like Oh shit, there's five in around the city.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: So that day while they're walking around they're like on
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: edge and the ten and throughout the day would be phenomenal. Yeah,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: there's so many cool ways to do it.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: And you know, you don't have to tell them that
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: the zombies are only gonna come out at night.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just have it that way.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: We need to stop talking about this because I'm gonna
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: leave and go film it, right, and then I'm fighting
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: the urge to go call my team.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: This is you.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Also with the zombies, they can come out in the daytime.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: These people don't know because they never do it.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: True, like the five days, it's only at night.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the exactly, so some people get snatched
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: up in the middle of their house.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: We used before as gel blaster. It's almost like airsoft,
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: but it doesn't hurt as bad.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, it shoots water.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: And these vests that they have set up our sensors
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: so you can almost like what you're saying. It's like
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: VR laser tag.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Lights up when you hit it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's like an old talking system that says
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: like you have this many shots left, you have this.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Much We see a video?
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is this a video?
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: We did this at night at somebody's house?
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Oh you did? Yeah?
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah? When did you do this a couple months ago?
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Nice?
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: I don't oh ah wait, actually know that you about music.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: But you pointed out I have seen like nerve Jael blasters.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I actually never thought of that.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: So that's I mean, you could just redo this out
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: the suits that it makes.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Sense, and then reskin the guns because it was like
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: a little lame. But yeah, that would.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Be I kind of like shotguns.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I think we all can easily picture the aesthetic you're
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: looking for. I gotta I have to find the blend
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: between Joe's like recreation of this video and like what
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I could actually do. But there, I actually am more
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: inspired than ever. I think it's very doable.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: It's very doable. You just have to figure out a
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: way to make it exciting but still not hurt anybody exactly.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: You know that's not hurt the zombies. You'd have to
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: like armor these people up somehow.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, well, the thing too, is like, you know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: one way one thing that would help is like if
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: the zombies were ex Navy seals or something, then it's
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: a little different than if they were like typical Hollywood
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: actors and things like that, which so I've learned for
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: like some of these other things, Like it's also who
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: you cast to do it, like you know.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: The Navy.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: If it was like Navy seals dres up a zombies
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: and I paid them, well you know they wouldn't care.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: But also it could, well it could be like a
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: zombie army, like an army some some army somewhere got
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: taken over and turned into zombies, and those are the
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: people who are fighting against So you could you could
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: put them with like plate carriers on and you know,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: you could armor them up a little bit so they
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: could take some hits behind it. Yeah, it could. It
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: would make sense too.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I broke.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I'm sold. I just gotta find an abandoned city.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Give them glowing eyes. And that's the only way.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: You know, that whole podcast is gonna be Joe helping
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: me figure out to do zombies.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Dude, it would be terrifying.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: It would imagine his people that are in like this
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: city there's no lights, there's no electricity, and then at
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: nighttime it goes dark and maybe they have flashlights, but
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: each flashlight only has like one hour of battery life,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: and so you have to like judiciously use that flashlight throughout.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: The evening shut it.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Up, you know, so you give like a little extra
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: tension that the flashlight's gonna die because you only have
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: one hour of flashlight battery. And then you see these
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: red eyes, like you give them like a slightly glowing
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: red eye, and that's how you can find the zombies.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: That would be cool, yeah, And so you just look
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: out into the woods.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see the fucking eyes, man, You see
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: the eyes. That would be crazy.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: And the other thing too, would be because I go
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: to like how do we execute it? We could do
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: it too, where like there's like every every day, at
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: like a certain period, we pull off all the dead
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: zombies which are humans, and we just swap them with
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: like I can have recreated versions of them there. So
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: there's like actual zombie bodies like piling up right, So
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: as the video progresses, they're like literally stepping over to
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: like mannequins that are step decked identically how the people were,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: so when they die, and then they're just like literally
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: stepping on zombies as they go ability in the building.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: And that'd be crazy.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: That would be crazy, you know.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And actually because if I put it.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Many chalk outlines around the zombies so you can identify
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: the fact that this one's a dead zombie or.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: No, don't you know. Let that be the fun part.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: But then we if we put like a crazy prize
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: on it, we could do you only get the prize,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: or maybe the prize is split amongst everyone who survives
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the whole ten days or whatever, and then it's like
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: to really build up like this crescendo at the end.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: We could have it where the final day there's a
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: massive invasion coming or something. So it's like the whole time,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: it's what if like every day more and more camp.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: So day one it was ten, Day two is twenty,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: and then fifty and then I'm like, you know, we're
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: gonna have four hundred zombies come on the final day.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: So the whole video they're prepping for this like gamer
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Thrones type invasion.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Not only that, but the people that get killed by
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: the zombie, we think they're out of the game, but
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: they actually become zombies. So when you think you won
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: at the end, now the final game is you're competing
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: against the zombies. The zombies who can't win because they're
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: already dead, but you lose, Yeah.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: And they know you're four. You don't actually even craziers
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: if instead of well, you know, maybe we have Navy
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: seals as the zombies, but also what the contestants are
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: like x Navy seals too, so they have like real strategy.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: And right, just get the most badass people that you
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: can get for this zombie thing, like survivalists, martial artists.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, crazy dude, Actually that's not bad, Like you know,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: a UFC champion Navy seal like Taekwonda blah blah, and
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: it's like, all right, what happens if you put six
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: experts in different fields together and simulate a real zombie apocalypse?
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: You have fifty acres of this abandoned city sealed off,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: we set decked it all, and every day a wave
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: of zombie that gets bigger and bigger until the big
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Christiano at the end hits. Yeah, you survive it all,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: you split a million dollars.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: I think the really difficult challenges figuring out a way
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: to kill zombies.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: It's not lame exactly, and doesn't hurt anybody, actually doesn't
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: kill people.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know that's your your second thought rather of course.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: But it has to because if you're hitting them, even
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: with the jelsoft look kind of cool.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: But it's like pup, pup, pup exactly peep puop. No,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: it's gotta be but bang.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: But and I can add those sounds in posts. But
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: we're big fans of practical so I'd have my team
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: take apart the guns and see if there's some way
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: they can make it even though it's shooting the gel
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: like make a bang bang, and then add like the effects,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: and we'd have to reskin the guns to look like
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: real guns.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: And it would have to be some it doesn't have
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: to look like real guns because it could be a
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: gun from the future.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's laying when you think of zombie apocalypse,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: you think it has to look like a gun that
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: they grab from some dude to say if that they've
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: founded a house, right, that's what a zombie apocalypse is
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, yeah, yeah, so it would have to
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: look like a real gun. So that's why I like
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: the shotguns with the beanbags and also with a shotgun,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: like you're only going to get so many shells, like
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: you like, as long as you don't have one of
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: those big like Tarran tactical ones that has actually a
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: magazine you can hold like fifteen rounds if you can,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: I think a regular shot like a Bonelli. What can
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: you put How many shells can you put in one
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: of those? I think six? I think maybe six something
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: like that is good too. You have a limited amount
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: of bullets and reloading is hard. We just got a
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: fun find out, like.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe if it was like twenty gauge, maybe it was
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: like twenty gauge shotgun like bird shot with with a
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: bean bag, maybe I wouldn't fuck people up, but it
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: would make a big bang and you'd be hitting them.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: And if you could find a way to light up
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: wherever they got hit, like if you could put them
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: in some sort of a suit where when they get
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: hit there's like gel packs.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: You can see the shotguns of people.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just not You're so wrong. But he's living.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Seen his eyes light like this in let let him.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, like not a person okay, lit. Well,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about shotguns, so let's find out.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: We're going to have someone a real shotgun to But yeah, you.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Will trust me, We're gonna work this out.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: You want to you want to help code direct help.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah me, you'll actually see him like the backround one
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: shot joke. Just like he's like, ye, it's like the
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Navy seals are finding out the zombie.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I want to be one zombie one night.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, everyone's like, who's that bald guy? Over
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: SHOTU damage on a zombie? You have to blow their
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: head off?
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: How would you.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Hit damage forever?
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: What depends on what kind of zombie. Like Walking Dead
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: zombies are so stupid. You can stab in the head
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: with a pencil and they die. Remember it was just
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: going through the head because they would shoot him with
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: those crossbows and like crosswait wouldn't even kill a person,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: like with those field tips. They're using field tips. This
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: is basically a pencil going through you.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: It's not like a broadhead.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Like if you shot an animal with a with a crossbow,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: you would use a broad head, which is a big
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: sharp blade that cuts a giant channel.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Through an animal.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: What those things are using is target points like that
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: dude in Walking Dead, which drive me nuts because he
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: would shoot him in the head.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: It would just stick in their head and then they'd
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: be It's.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: So funny because I watched the same thing and I'm like, oh,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: that's cool, different audience.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: It's just all it takes is like one arrow to
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: go into your head and you're dead if.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: You're a zombie.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: One raw of this is nonsense.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, guys watching, Yeah, one arrow in the head,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: you'd be Yeah.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: The thing is people have lived.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Humans have lived through arrows through the head like that
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: accidentally gotten shot in the head with a bow and
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: arrow with a field tip and lived because it basically
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: just it's like a pencil going through your head. Really well,
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: the way people die from an arrow is hemorrhage. You
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: die from massive hemorrhage.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: And it's usually because there's a blade, so like this,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: like this is what the Native Americans used to use,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: but this is actually yes, that's an actual arrowhead. But
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: the thing about this is when it's attached to a stick,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: this is cutting, so it's causing hemorrhage inside the body.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: The little field tip doesn't do that.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: And the field tip when it puncture enough veins where
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: you just bleed to death, maybe.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: But most likely not. I mean, it it went through
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: your heart, yeah you'd be dead. But if it just
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: goes through like this side of your lungs and pokes
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: out your back.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: You'll live? Wow? Yeah, would you want to live? You
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: would be in pain.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: It would suck, It would certainly suck. But it's not
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: like getting hit with a broadhead. My point is, I
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: don't remember my point, but if I had a point,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: it would be it's gonna be a level of shotgun.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: That's the what is the lowest powered shotgun available? It's
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: not a I know, twenty gauge is light. I've used
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: those before for like shooting clay pigeons, and I've used
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: twelve gauges.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: You don't want to get hit with a twelve gauge,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: even if it's a beanbag. Uh, smallest gaugegun. Oh, here
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: we go. Now we're talking. That's a bitch ass round o. God,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: let's see what that looks like you're shoot up. Let's
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: see what a four to ten gauge shotgun or sixty
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: seven gage shotgun looks like when they shoot.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: A dou bullshit gun. I look like it's gonna still hurt.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, you'll be fine.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Okay? Can I test it on you?
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just give me a plate carrier. And if you're
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: gonna use a bean bag yeah, because that's what I'm thinking. Like,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: if you have a chest plate, you know, so a
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: plate carrier is bulletproof.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but what are you going to hit everything?
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: You'll cover up, You'll cover up the shoulders in the arms,
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: you give them like military style armor, like body armor,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: because it's not it's none of this is going to penetrate.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: So if it's a bean bag round, what it is
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: is just like it's basically a bag. It's gonna like
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: shoot out of the shotgun and blast you. But I
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: don't they're not lethal. Let me see what it looks like.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Just go to a video. Just go to a video
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: of lowest powered shotgun. That's weird looking. That's cool.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: That one looks cool. Not exactly, Yeah, that's dope. I've
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: never seen one of those before. Interesting. Yeah, I think
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: it's smallest in terms of like the size of it,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: not not the round itself.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: This isn't I did ask for lowest power, but it's
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: that's not what people want to click on videos.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like most people who buy shotguns are looking
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: for shotguns that don't.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Well how about this.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Look up sixty seven gauge shotgun and does it show
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: you a video of that.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's see what it says. Let me see what
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: it looks like when it's shooting twelve gauge. Oh, that's a.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: Big That's what I'm trying to Yeah, so they're like
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: modified twelve gauges.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: That's a lot.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: I just don't get what the point. The shotgun isn't
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: going to kill a zombie.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it could. In this game, James.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: You have to get so close to get a headshot
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: or whatever. It's more fun to get snipers and gides
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: and I.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Don't know if you have to use head shots. This
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: little kid's gonna shoot a shotgun, so that Okay, let
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: me see. Can you give me some volume, let me
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: hear this. Put back that up a little bit. Yeah,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: that's what we need. We need that kind of shotgun
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: with like a bean background or a rock Soft I
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: got it.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: The team they're listening, they're on it.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, something where it makes an impact. There's a sound
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: like a gun going off, but you can't really kill
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: anybody with it. Yeah, this is totally possible, dude. You'd
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: have to have like very strict safety protocols in a
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: set though, because one of the things when I was
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: in when I first moved to la in like nineteen
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: ninety four, there was a guy that a friend of
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: mine actually knew, who was an actor, who was on
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: a set, who took a gun that had a blank
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: in it and thought it'd be funny to just put
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: the thing to his head and pull the trigger. And
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: he didn't realize that just the actual air coming out
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: of the gun if you put it right to your
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: head is lethal, and he blew his brains out, Yeah,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: with a blank.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: He just didn't I.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Mean, or like the Alec Baldwin situation.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was actually probably negligence because it seems like
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: it seems like there was an error where they were
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: using like real rounds and then they would take the
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: same guns that we use like real rounds on a
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: range and then take the same guns and bring them
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: to set and they didn't clear everything. So I don't
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: know who's responsible for that. I don't know what ultimately
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: came out of that. But you're never supposed to point
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: a gun, even if it's not loaded. You're never supposed
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: to point a gun to someone ever in movies.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Now, like if you.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Were, I'm like, so hes to this whole shotgun thing.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to reality, Joe.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: We're gonna be fun in movies. You're supposed to.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Like if I was shooting at you in a movie,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I'm really supposed to shoot over here. Yeah, And I
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: think that came out of the movie The Crow because
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Bruce Lee's son died because there was something that was
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: in the gun itself. It wasn't even a bullet that
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: killed him. It was like there was a particle or
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: something that hit him from the blank.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: When there's effects in CG and everything's so good now too,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Like you probably don't even have to put a blank
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: in there. You just overlay the sound effect and I
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: mean put the effect and no one would even be
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: able to tell.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Sometimes too, that's true, but you want something that's scary.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: For the actual people and.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: The recoil and yeah, so it's more.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Like a really light shotgun.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: And I guess even if you know it's a blank,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: like having a gun pointed at you as an actor
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: makes you, you know, feel more in this situation too.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Probably, well, just rock salt.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: If you have a really light shotgun, even if it's
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: a twenty gauge with rock salt, it would suck, It
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: would sting.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: But if you've got these guys all.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Protected, and you could find a way where when it
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: hits them, like you have gel packs on them or something.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: So if you have them.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: All they're in like these like tattered looking white outfits, right,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: and when you hit them, there's red gel packs underneath
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: and they splatter.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you could, you know, if you get it direct.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: We did something similar when we recreated swee games. We
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: put like squibs on them when they got up and
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: so yeah, you'd put like little squibs and then when
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: the sensors went off, it would just and liquid would
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: go across their body.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So you could do that.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: So if you do that, actually you could have blank
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: and maybe a laser site exactly.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: That's so where we went with the Hunger gun stuff
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: is laser tag and then it would just trigger squibs
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: if you pointed at them. And then maybe in an impost,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: like we'd have a track where the trajectory of word
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: the bullets where we could just overlay like the lasers
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: or whatever impost so you could visually see it, but
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: obviously in the time you were actually filming practically, it
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: would just be you know, invisible. You just know if
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: you got hit if your suit lit up.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: And it seems like you could sync up a laser
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: tag with an actual blank round so you can make
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: the boom and then the laser actually hits the person
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: at the same time.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, right, Yeah, that wouldn't.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Be hard to do because if you have lasers, you
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: have guns to shoot lasers. That's what laser tag is.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: That's a pretty simple mechanism. All you would do is
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: have like sort of a dual trigger setup where you
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: have as you pull the trigger back, you get the
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: explosion from the round going off, and you also get
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: a laser at the same time. Well, so the squibs
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: go off, you say the boom, and then the squibs
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: go off, and you have it all coordinated together, and
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: then it looks wild and so then you have these zombies.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Boom, you shoot them, you see splatter all over.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: The other thing we have to figure out is where's
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: this going because if it's going on my YouTube channel,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: we don't usually show gore and blood, so we might
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: have to hit up Amazon. Yeah, where we used to
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: put fear factor and stuff, because that that definitely seems
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: like a more it's going from like we're usually family
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: friendly to Now this is very rated R.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: But family friendly because you're killing zombies.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, you know something's family friendly or not if
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: you say eliminated instead of killing. So if you're eliminating zombies,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: that's family friendly. If you're killing zombies, no, no, that's
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: rated R.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Well they're already dead, so you're eliminating them. There. Now
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: we're back.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: And like you can tell if like a show's like
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: for eighteen plus or like thirteen plus, if like before
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: they shoot the person or whatever, if it cuts away right,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: and like there's all these little things not that we
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: This could be wild. I mean it could be if
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: some streaming platform was like, yo, here's whatever, whatever, blank check,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: just make it happen.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Should do it? They need people over there anyway.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or I mean really even Netflix anyone. Yeah, Like
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: it's it's the biggest no brainer in the history I've
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: ever like that. Actually, the fact that no one's recreated
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: this is kind of absurd when you think about it.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: But it's also like if traditional you know, independent of
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: like the shock and stuff you're talking about, like a
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: traditional people with traditional world views did this, it'd be
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: so stringent and structured and stuff like that. Where was
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: like we if we did it with like the Beast
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Games mindset, where it's just like there's cameras everywhere, they
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: can truly do whatever the hell they want, and it's
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: not like this like guarded thing and it's an actual
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: abandoned city. Oh my gosh, it would go crazy.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Now we need a task, We need a.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Goal that the goal would survival.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Right, but maybe survival while you're trying to accomplish something.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, then this is like a mechanism that usually
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: would work well is the tasks every day will grow
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: the prize pool. And if it's on a streaming platform,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: then the prize bool could be crazy. Right, It doesn't
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: have to be a million dollars. They could grow to
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: ten million theore if they weren't being cheap, and so
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: then it could be like every day, if you complete
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: the task, I put a million dollars in the prize pool.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Each episode's one whole day. It's ten episodes, ten days,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: and so they could technically grow the prize bowl to
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: ten million dollars. You put some like you know the
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: UFC people and like you know Navy seals and like
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: these hardcore people, and you tell them like they could
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: potentially share ten million dollars for they would be trying
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: their butts off those ten days. The footage would be crazy.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: I mean they would probably be like practicing during the day,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: like their rotations and everything on, like holding on zombies.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: It would be really cool.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they would run training routes exactly.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: You know what's really interesting, We'd have to figure out
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: how the zombies get them, because you don't want physical
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: conflict between the stunt people, the zombie people, and the contestants.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: You don't want to actually fight exactly, right.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: So like YEP would have to have rules as to what.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: It would probably be. It might default intuition is if
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: the zombie just purely touches you, then you're just dead.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Like we wouldn't be able to take any further than that.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: But if they like rite like twenty eight days later, zombies,
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: all they have to do is like scratch you, yeah.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Or breathe in front of you, yeah, exactly. But in
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: this case, if they touch you that way, it's not
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: like the Navy seal like pushing and flipping them off, like,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: because if you went to push them or touch them,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: then you'd be out. So people be keeping their distance.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: But even then it'd get pretty crazy if they're like
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: cause they're obviously they would run and they'd be chase
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: scenes and stuff. So honestly, like I know some great
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: sunt choreographers like Can and a bunch of other people.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: I would just call them and be like, Yo, how
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: do I do this? And they'd probably be like, oh,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: here's what I would do it or whatever.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Do this could be mad, Yeah, this could be a mad.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: So to set the stage, it's like abandoned city, dozens
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: of acres sealed off, Like I could literally build like
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: a wall around it, so the seals and whoever the
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: contestants know like this is the edge they're walled in,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: and then uh yeah, they're walking around. And then we
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: have some of the best set designers in the world
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: come in and like basically we'd pick a time in
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: the future. We'd say this is fifty years in the future,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: and they would match exactly what all these buildings would
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: look like fifty years from now. They put vines on this.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: If there's a gas station, they'd go through and like
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: this is what would happened to Durridos fifty years from now,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: and they'd literally mirrored identically across you know, one hundred buildings,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: and then we had dropped, we'd have a helicopter fly
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: in drop them off, and then it's like, you know,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: every day, like we could have like an eagle flyover
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: and drop their task today and then in the middle
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: of the city's a million Oh, that's what we could
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: do the prize pool in the middle of the zombies
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: touch it as well, then they lose the money. So
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: they're not only defending themselves but also the prize school,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: so in the middle of the city, so that's why
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: they have to build a fort around it. And then
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: every day, if they complete their crazy task right, which
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: is distracting them from building their fort, then a helicopter
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: will drop another million dollars on their prize school. So
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: then it's like so episode one, they complete the task
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: before the zombies come at night, and then it's like
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: I come in on a helicopter. We have a rope
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: lowered down. A million dollars is massive in ones right,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: and then it on hooks and now they have two
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: million dollars there like good luck guys, and if there's
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: six of them, then it's like you're now if you survive,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: are all winning over three hundred thousand dollars and then
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: you know, but if you grow the prize school to
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: six million dollars without getting eliminated, you're all million in
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: nine days.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: That would be crazy. And then yeah, the zombies come in.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: We figure out the practical guns with their right sound effects.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: And yeah, practical guns, right sound effects, and what what
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: entails you.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Getting killed by a zombie? Yeah? How do they?
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: And the other thing too, to make it fun is
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: if a zombie eliminates one of you, they get one
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: six of the prize for whatever. So then now the
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: zombies are incentivized right to try to So then it's
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: like if a zombie touches the Navy seal whatever the
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: way it is, it's like crat's now you're a millionaire
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: if it's later on. So then like as it goes on,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: things are gonna get really tense on both sides and
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: they'll be really cool, yeah, dude, because that's how you
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: take it where people don't want to be zombies, so
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: now they're like excited to be zombies, Like ooh, I
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: actually sneak up behind them and I get a million.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: People are gonna want to be zombies anyway.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: True, because it's gonna look sick.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be sick.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I would want to be a zombie that just
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: like imagine walking in a horde and role playing being
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: in a zombie that actually be a pretty cool.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: After it's so sick, you're it's total pitch black, there's
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: no power, no electricity, and you just see red eyes
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: in the woods.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well these dudes are.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Sneaking in, and you'd have to have some sort of rules,
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: like how the zombies can move, whether they can run,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: whether they can you know what I mean, because like
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: we have to decide these twenty eight days later zombies
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: that run at you or these like walking dead zombies
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: that are like kind of like we'd.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Probably start off that way, but they evolve with time.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: And I'm a big fan of Like usually when you
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: have like people who are playing some rules, they usually
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: end up going rogue. It's really hard to get hundreds
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: of people to do like certain things, like you know,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: in an unscripted sandbox environment. So we would have to
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: constrict them in a way where like if we didn't
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: want them to move past a certain speed, we'd probably
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: have to figure out some way to put like a
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: chain around their feet or something that physically wouldn't allow
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: them to do it. Or like if you have three
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: hundred zombies going right, you can't redo it right. Like
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: if one of these zombies goes rogue and scratch, it's
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: like I can't reshoot the shell, right. That's what's so
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: high stakes about the things we do world, So we'd
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: have to physically make it where they couldn't do things
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: they're not supposed to do in a perfect world. Or
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: when if you have three hundred people of two percent
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: go rogue, that's still six zombies going rogue, which is brutal.
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  Speaker 3: intended for a United States audience. Yeah, it is brutal,
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: but I think I think with proper planning, if you
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: really sit down and plan out what the what the
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: zombies task is, what it means, and like what these
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: people are doing, and what what goals are they trying
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: to achieve while they're there and while they're defending against zombies.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: You got to give them stuff to do during the
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: day so that they're fully occupied so they can't sleep.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: Really important, like the more they do during the day,
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: it optimizes the amount of money they can win. Like
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: as they complete tasks, if they stay alive, they have
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: a higher threshold, whereas someone just fucking sleeps all day and.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Doesn't get anything done. Even if they survive, they can't
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: make any money.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, and that works that these
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: are you know, hardcore like people, so it's good. Like
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: if I have the normal contestants, they'd be like, oh,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: this is horrible.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: You want that though you want people to bitch out,
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: you want a few people to because that there's always
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: gonna be people that you are.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Hold to different standards, and that if I did that,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: there would be maybe ten trillion articles are about how
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I'm the most evil man on the planet. But if
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: I made it too hard where people couldn't sleep.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: For now, oh listen, you can't read those articles. Fuck
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: those people. You just got to make an awesome show.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: You The awesome show is you keep these motherfuckers awake,
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: and you make it so that they can choose to
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: sleep if they want. But there are tasks to achieve,
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: and if you can complete these tasks, you have a
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: potential to make a lot of money. But if you
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: don't complete the tasks, you can't make any money even
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: if you survive.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Sold Amazon, Netflix, whoever wants it, let us know, like.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Right, you got to keep these motherfuckers wake this so
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: that nighttime is terrifying. Can you imagine seeing people sitting
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: there with their shotgun and opening their eyes and looking
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: out seeing red eyes.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: We get a tights out of their faces and as
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: they're asleep and then one of the other guys go
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: zombies in your bang bang and then they wake up
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: and they grab their gun.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the problem of people randomly shooting wild while
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: there's other people around them. So it kind of would
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: have to be blanks and lasers because now that I'm
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: thinking about it, like people are gonna spaz out and
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: accidentally shoot some in the face.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: This is where, especially if they're tired.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: I've done uh. I mean, obviously you did unscripted with
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: but I've done lots of unscripted stuff with lots of people.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: And exactly when you're talking about the shotgun stuff, I'm like,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: you know, there's just no shot in hell that you
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: we'd ever be able to. It would have to be
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: like but I love the Jeel rounds, and we could
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: do it in a way where we set that to
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: the guns where it looks really cool and we can
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: recreate the sound effect. But then jee rounds, like it's
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: essentially like the nerve ones now I'm remembering them, like
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: they're like water that explodes on impact. Those would be perfect.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you want blanks because you want the bang. Well,
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: you want the bang for the people. For the psychological effect,
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: this is the fear. It's in the middle of the night,
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: it's dark, you're making a bang go off, the flash
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: of the bang going off. Yeah, And then maybe to
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: avoid people being able to shoot each other, maybe at
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: nighttime they're completely separated.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe at night time you want.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Them to get I'm telling you, like if they built
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: a fort around the money. What you want in the
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: shots is you always want to people to be able
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: to tell what they're competing for and like they're why
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: and you usually but you don't want to have to
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: say it, right, You don't want to have to say, oh,
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: I'm competing for this money. But if you have the
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: money in the background the shot, intutally, viewers will be like,
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: that's what they're competing for. So like a fort built
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: around it where they have walls and they're standing on
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: it and you see the money behind them in the shots,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Like intutally, to a view you're gonna instantly understand the
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: motivation and it's going to be like, I mean, it
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: would just be so crazy the shots.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's like a super advanced game of hide and
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: seek at night where the people can't talk. They have
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: to be very quiet because the zombies are have like
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: hyper hearing, Like you give the zombies like walker game ears.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: You know what those things are. No, it's like do
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: you ever go to a gun range? Yeah, because you
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: know you have those headphones and then you can you
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: can hear everything else way louder. But when guns go off,
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: it kills volume above a certain amount of decibels, so
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: they can hear everything. A few years, zombies like we'll
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: be able to key in on it. They'll know where
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: the people are. And these people have to hide from
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: the zombies at night.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: True, because I guess the other thing is if they
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: built the fort around it, how would zombies even get
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: to them?
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Right? So instead of that, you have people that are
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: trying to hide.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: So you got these zombies slowly creeping through these abandoned
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: buildings looking for people.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: We'd have to get it to with them where the
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: seals and stuff couldn't like lock doors or anything, right
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: because no locks.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: So basically no doors have locks. That's what makes the
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: hide and go seek so good. All the handles or
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: all the doors are removed there's no locks.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: So every every night, maybe we would brainstorm it more.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: But theoretically they all have to hide in a different
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: building or something. They couldn't be in the same building,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: and then the zombies scatter across the city, and then
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: wherever you are in the building, people have to be
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: able to get to you. The zombies have to be
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: able to get to you unrestricted. Right, Yeah, and so
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: maybe before we release the zombies, we'd have a producer
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: just go in and walk a path. But all right,
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: there's a factual path where you could die to zombie.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: This is good, and then we let them lose that.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Make says, no cheating, there's something this would be wild.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: This honestly, this is one of those things where I
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: say this to my team quit. It's either gonna be
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: like the worst show imaginable that people clown on, or
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be like the number one show ever and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: there's no in between, like you don't do this like
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: kinda al right, where people are like I like it.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: It's either like cringe, we failed, this sucks, or it's
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: like this is the greatest thing ever. Why did this
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: not exist before? Like The Walking Dead or what's the
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: HBO show called The One with the Last of Us, Yeah,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: the Last of Us in real life? Like, how has
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: no one done this, you know what I mean, like
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: actual true simulation and like if we executed it properly,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: I really could see it being like a number one
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: show in the world type thing that people would like.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Because also you have to think, like the world is
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: ran by clips these days, you know, on like TikTok beeds,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Instagram meals and YouTube shorts and like, it is arguably
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: the most clippable thing ever. Like any ten second scene
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: of that you could just throw on YouTube shorts and
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: go viral because it's freaking zombies getting shot at.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: And you know how cool they could make those masks look. Yeah,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: a real special effects guy to work on those masks. Yeah,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: like one of those experts.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Search up mister b Zombies. We have a video on
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: our channel from like I mean, god knows all ago
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: seven years ago where we we did like make like
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: a mini zombie horde, but not like in a simulation
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: like this, just for fun to see how people in
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: publicer to react and like the it looks disgusting the
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: things they were able to do. It's pretty crazy.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, special modern special effects and makeup artists. They could
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: do amazing stuff.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Man, go if you can find like a close up
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: on my face or like it was like crazy we
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: we just brought in people. Yeah, like like that kind
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: of stuff, like look at my face right there, like
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: pose it. It's freaking wild, dude.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: You could totally do something like that on the outside
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: of one of those masks.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Yeah, that that was really all.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: That's the look you what yours looks like with like
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: the teeth and everything and fucked up flash that is
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: the mask exactly. So you take that hard airsoft mask
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: and you put that shit on it.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: So the problem I want to go work on this now.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: We like.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: So it's funny. I have this thing where this might
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: sound like crazy to some people, but when you can
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: you know, when you feel your heart achet elevated. When
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: I talk about an idea and I can feel my
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: heart achet all of it, I'm usually like that's a
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: good indicator that it's like a good idea, because I'm
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: getting like.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: This is a good idea.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know I can literally feel or not anymore,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: But like a couple of minutes ago, I could feel
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: my heart beating because I was getting excited. And it's
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: like that usually almost always correlates with people because if
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: I'm getting excited talking about it, you have to think,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: like a lot of things right now are because of
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: TikTok and reels and stuff. They go viral because of
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: word of mouth, and so like, if just talking about
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: the idea get someone excited, then that usually means like
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are just going to talk about it.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: And if a lot of people talking about obviously a
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: lot of people watch it, and so as why I
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: call it kind of like the heart rate effect. Like
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: that that's like my number one signal that like people
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: are going to talk about this and freaking love it.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: If I can see it, I can see scenes.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: I can see darkness starting to settle in on the town,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: and I can see the people like trying to figure
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: out where to hide and what to do and.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: The eyes that that was genius.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I could see that.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: It's interesting because it's like combining the Vinn diagram of us, right,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: you're kind of representative of the very like, uh, I
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: don't know, You're like just ability to really think deeply
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: of like what makes it fucking cool? And you're really
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: hyper fixating on what makes the zombies cool and like
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: the realistic nature of it, and I'm hyper fixating on
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: just kind of the overall set design and things. I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: think there's like a Vin diagram in the middle where
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: we combined like the two like obsessions, and it really
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: like merges together and makes something beautiful.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, and you could also have like.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: Not just zombies, you could have like some other things
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: that are out there too that can get people.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Jamie, can you get ten days on his schedule? Can
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: he do one of the well the actually now, because
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't. You don't need the money, but it would
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: be cool if you were competing in it, because then
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: that would be insane.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too much time.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: Exactly, But just cancel some podcasts.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: I like the idea of it though.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: How about we or never mind? You pick them up
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: in the car to take him too. They're like, oh, whoops,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: we're in an abandoned city. Oh here's your shotgun you
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: talk about a year ago, Joe, Well, anyway, zombies are
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: coming tonight. He's gonna leave and not shoot zombies.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Come on, have you ever done a sandbox? Vr?
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: Is that the one where it's like the You just
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: go in and there's random worlds and you can walk
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: around on uh huh.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: It's a warehouse.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: You go in there and they have fans and stuff,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: so it like simulates like the wind. And you go
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: in there and you put on a headset and you
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: put on a haptic feedback vest. And one of them
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: is called Deadwood Mansion. That's my favorite one. Okay, And
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: you go in there and you shoot zombies. You're in
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: a mansion. You're in this like abandoned mansion and rats
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: come out and zombies and.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: There's guys in the ceiling.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: It's fucking awesome. Yeah, you would love it, but you
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: might get some ideas if you do that, because you
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: mean we we're co producing. You're okay, you invest in.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: You just spent thirty four minutes on a whatever podcast
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: like Riven on it.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: Well there's something to it, man. I just I see
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: it in my head. I'm like, that would be an
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: amazing show. I just see these people like in the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: like in a parking structure, like setting up, getting ready
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: and the sun's coming down and they're like, look, we
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: got it. We have about twenty minutes of daylight left yeah,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: and you realize, like, god, I'm so fucking tired.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: Well, and they're like, there's still two hundred thousand dollars
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: left we could earn today. Media start prepping this, and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: one guy's just predi as hell, and another guy's like,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: we're gonna lose if you do that, and the like
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: infighting and stuff. As we're getting like dramatic, like you know,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: b roll of it from like wide shot because everything
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: too could be shot really far away, so like it's
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: like lenses are punching in and so it's not like
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: there's a camera kurwano.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: And you could have each day when it's tasks, right,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: so you have to accomplish something, and the more you accomplish,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: the more money you could potentially make. Each day is
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: an escape room, so every day there's new puzzles to solve,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: and then you're getting fucking tired.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: Because we actually this escape room is a good, a
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: good through way to do the task. It's not like
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: some goofy stuff like move this rock from one side
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: to right, but like an actual escape room and maybe
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: the million dollars in Winnach days inside I'd like like
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: so it could be like I drop a volt every
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: day in the middle and then like you have to
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: do a series of things to figure out the combination
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: that are hard, and then yeah, and you solve it,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: then it goes on the money pot.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Have you done many escape rooms?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Like I live in Greenville, North Carolina, there's not like
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: many there.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: So me and my family would do them everywhere we go.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: They're fucking awesome, And the best ones are in Vegas.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: They have Insane. They have an IT one in Vegas,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: IT one in IT two and it's fucking incredible. It's
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: so good, and it's huge. It's like thirty thousand square
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: feet this place. And they actually have Pennywise, the clown.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: They have an actor who wears the fucking suit and
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: looks just like penny Wise and scares the shit out
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: of you.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: But those kind of people, You could recruit those kind
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: of people to design puzzles and things where people have
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: to do every day, and then you're dealing with sleep
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: deprivation and people having to work together and now, oh
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: my god, dude, and.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: I know the perfect people for it. We did for Salesforce.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: We did their Super Bowl commercial this year and in
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: the commercial, I hit a million in it, Like basically
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: if you watch the commercial just with your computer and
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: the commercial, you could win a million dollars. And there's
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: like a bunch of random clues and puzzles hidden through
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: it and uh over and so the first thing it did,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: it take took you to a website that just like
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: loosely explained it. Over sixty million people visited that site
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: and attempted it, but it still took weeks for people
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: to find the million dollars. And it's like one of
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: the craziest Internet like puzzle hunts ever because it would
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: like take you to this website, which when then would
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: take you to this other one where you'd have to
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: call a number and like it's a four hour voicemail,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: but like at the very end, I would like say
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: like one two, three, four eight and blah blah blah,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: and if you weren't recording this, you're gonna have to
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: listen to a four hours again. Hang of, and then
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: it's just like sending you everywhere. And uh it's basically
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: like one hundred the most complex puzzles on the Internet,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: and like it took this like group of like really
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: high level puzzle solvers almost an entire month to solve
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: it with a million dollars on the line, and millions
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: of people were trying it, and there's a whole subredd
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: and dedicated to it, and so I I just basically
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: went on Red and I got all the like the
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: most cracked out like puzzle solvers of world. And I
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: was like, if you had unlimited budget, how you make
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: the most insane puzzle ever? And then that's what they
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: came up with. And it was like it's like hard
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: to even articulate the steps on it. Like some of
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: it was, uh, how do I don't even know how
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: to describe? It was like so complicated. Like sometimes there's
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: like a page with like a bunch of buttons on it,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: like a million buttons, but only one works and you
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: have to go through and click it all. And so
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: some of them were mundane and then other stuff is
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: like you know, paragraphic texts and you have to like
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: use some old language like decipher the text to figure
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: out what the words were, and so like each puzzle
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: required like a different skill set to like get through it.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could think I could think of all sorts
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: of different things you could have these people do like
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: during the day, these different tasks and different puzzles that
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: they have to solve.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like languages. I didn't even know it exists.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: So like in the commercial, I'm wearing a belt that
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: just had different colors on it, but if you put
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: the colors in order, it like translates to this thing.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: And like, I mean, I don't even understand what half
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: the things were, but people were able to figure it
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: out eventually, like they're they're just showing me like, oh,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: this represents Braille, these dots, and so we put them
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: in this way and then if you combine it with
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: these colors, and it got like pretty insane and at
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: least so it all ties back to like the Super
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Bowl commercial and like all every little thing in there,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: and like one part of the puzzles you have to
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: find locations on a map, and like in the commercial,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: I'm hold up a grenade and it's like a one
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: plus question mark equals is like whatever, and it ends
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: up being like but the text is yellow and like
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: it's like a stone was drawing on it, and like
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: it basically meant yellow stone. And then you put in
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: yellowstone in like this location thing on a different website,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: and then it unlocks this and you had to draw
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: like a circle on a globe. It got like pretty
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: crazy and wow, yeah, I know, which is why like
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: tens of millions of people attempted it. But it took
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: almost a month for someone to win a million dollars
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: and like there's a million dollars on the line and
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: all you need to win it was your computer. So
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: it was like pretty cool to see like communities form
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: and like people were doing like daily like podcasts and
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: updates on it of like what the next like step
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: of the puzzle were. Because what you'll see in these
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: puzzles too, is like because we also did one years ago.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: I love doing these like online scavenger hunts that with
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: just your computer you can win a bunch of money,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: and you'll see like when like one person will solve
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: a thing and then hundreds of people will solve it
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: right afterwards, because they'll go post it on Reddit or
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: they're working in groups, and so it will be like
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: stance to like step forty two. You know no one's there,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: and then you'll just see one person goes on this
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: website that's step forty two, and then tens of thousands
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: of people will go there. But then As you get
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: closer to the end, you stop seeing that effect. They
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: start being more secretive and quiet about it, and so
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: it's pretty cool to see like the psychology of how
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: they do it.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: You could have these people completely unarmed in the beginning,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: and the only way they can get guns is to
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: solve puzzles.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or just find them, right, because if it's a
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: big city, we just go.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe that's the puzzle. The puzzle is finding guns.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Like if there's some sort of a some sort of
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: a puzzle and if you unlock that, it'll give you
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: the location of where guns are.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and maybe you know what I also think
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: of like fun stuff too, Like we could give them
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: like there could be a gun save or armory in
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: this city, but it's like they have to like break
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: into it, right, and that could just be a thing
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: that takes like a ton of time, Like so they
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: have to go find you know, maybe one of the contestants.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: We make sure it's like certified and like explosives and stuff,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: and there's they have to like oh no, no, shot
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: a stream platform and be okay with this. But it
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: would be cool if we let them like there's like
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: mixtures and stuff to make a bomb hidden throughout the thing,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: and they have to go find it and he makes
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: like a moxy form, puts it on it, and you know,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: and then that's how they get in the gun safe.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: But maybe it's more like what's that hack sall or whatever,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: and it's like we make you get a safe where
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: if you hack sell it for like ten hours, you
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: can like break the lock on it and get in.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: So then someone just has to stand there and hold it.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Or you give people a stethoscope and a book on
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: how to crack safe true, and you have like click
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: click click, try to figure it out.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and someone's just like there for like two days straight.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: But then if he gets in, it's just just straight
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: loaded with amos. So it's like a risk reward.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: There are old school safes that you can do that too.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they can do that with the
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: new ones. But if you have like an old school safe,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: or we just actually hear the tumblrs turning exactly click.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Click, well we could also just build the lock. I
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: mean the beauty with the team like cars is like
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: it's possible, just like get the safe that looks esthetically
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: how you want and then just replace the lock, right.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just make it so that it's fixed. It's solvable
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: but complicated.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah cool, because then it's like, well, I'm a
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: big fan of when they have agency, and so it's like,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like we could even lay it out there,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: like this will take days to solve, yeah, and so
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: you could spend days going collecting guns, or days making
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: money to grow the prize pool, or you could spend
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: days trying to get lucky on this like safe that
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: is doable, but there's no guarantee you figured it out,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: and having tons of stuff like that. That's what like
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: makes it interesting too for the viewer because you're like,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: I love in these kind of reality shows where a
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: viewer can ask what would I do?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, And that's why it tends to be what like
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: people in families when they watch together, they love like
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: like in beat Skims, when I offer someone a million dollars,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: but you have to limit your friends, you know, sometimes
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: people turn down the million dollars. Sometimes people take the
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: million dollars and eliminate their friends, and like that's an
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: interesting thing to go. Well, if I was in their spot,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: I don't care, Like it's a million dollars. So the
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: point is to make money. That's why I'm on the show.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Take the k.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: But other people see that and they're like, no, like,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: my integrity is worth you know. I wouldn't take a
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: billion dollars off of my integrity, right and for you know,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: and some people, you know, even though it's a game show,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: they're like, no, I care, you know, and so but
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: giving them like these kind of dilemmas all throughout it too.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: So then as a viewer, I can be like, yeah,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: well I wouldn't do that. I would just go scavenge,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: you know, it'd be cool.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: Also, you could make it so that AMMO and certain
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: supplies are only available at night, so.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: They're incentivized to move in.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: You have to go out.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: You have to decide whether or not it's worth getting caught,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: whether or not you can sneak around and grab the AMMO,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: and then you also have to find it. You have
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: to find the AMMO, maybe find food, find supplies, like
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: supplies are.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Left in Duffel bags at night, you.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Know, out bro, there's so many ways we could take this.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Something that would be cool is every night we move
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: their pile of money into a random building that they
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: don't know, but it's all pre selected, so it's not
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: we're screwing them. So like we as producers know the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: ten buildings each episode. So then night comes come in,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: lift up the money, and we put like a hellcout,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: really lifts it up, puts it on top of a
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: different building. So now they have to get set up
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: in this building to defend it. But they weren't planned
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: on it, so that's why. Because also, yeah, that's the
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: other thing you have to make where every episode's not
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: the same. So then now every night time would be
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: different because they're in a different building and they yeah, yeah,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: that's cool.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: And finding like having like random Ammo caches. Maybe during
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: the day, they have to solve the puzzle that lets
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: them acquire a map, and then they have to figure
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: out where these random Ammo dumps are and supply dumps
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: are and food dumps are, so.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: They're already hidden. Actually you know what, you have to
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: go out at night to find them.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: You know what it would be really cool is if
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: we can find an abandon city that had like miles away,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: like some other little location that we could like, so
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: they find a map and it's like, yeah, on the
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: other side of those woods. But it's like a ten
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: mile hike, you know what I mean. And so could
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: you get there, go grab tons of ammo, and then
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: get back before nighttime? Right, And so then that it's
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: also like I'm a big fan of like seeing diversity
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: and biodiversity, so things don't feel repetitive. So then they're
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: going to a different city, but they're a million or whatever.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: The price pool is still in the other one, so
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: you have to go and then come back to defend
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: it at night. And so it's like now you get
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: like you can like dual cut because you can have
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: the people in the city that you have the people
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: journeying through the woods. And it's like interesting to cut
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: back and forth.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: And then if they go out to that city and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: they make the journey and they realize it's going to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: take us ten hours to solve this. By that time,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: it'll be two in the morning, it's already gonna be dark.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: We should go back now, No, fuck it.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: We're here exactly and the agency, right, do they stay
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: and spend the night there and trust their friends and
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: they have no maybe no walking talking, so they can't
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: communicate and their friends are like holding down a four
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: with a million dollars on top, and they're like, where
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: the heck are they It's they're like, and we get
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: so many cool shots like that.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: You know, there's so I mean, we've only done this
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: in an hour, right an hour or so, there's so
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: many different possibilities.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: If you just sat down and worked, it must be
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: so fun to do.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: What you do, dude, exactly, well, this is see. What
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: we're doing right now is what I would call blue scale,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: and we're not thinking about, for the most part, restrictions.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: We're just thinking about what's great content, and a lot
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: of that's lost. Like people in a lot of writer's
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: room they did instantly be like you can't do that
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: or that's not possible or whatever, and it's like, we're
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: right out. We're just figuring out what is the best
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: show possible. And then I'll just have people go figure
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: out what is possible or not. And in reality, everything
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: we've said is possible. It's just certain things will require
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: a little bit of time, like the safe, you know,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: using a modern safe, or changing the lot that's possible,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: What does it cost and how long does it take? Right,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: you just go through and you attach all that to everything,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: and you do a very first principle's way of going
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: about it, and it's just objective. It would take x
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: amount of time, it would cost as much money, and
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: then like you know, and then you just go through
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: and figure out what's worth it, what's not as opposed
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: to you know, every step of way, people be like, no,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: you can't do that, go ahead and redo it. And
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: it's just like a it seems obvious, but I'm not
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: really sure if many media companies that approach it like
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: we do, which is no.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: Well, the thing about what you've done is you've built
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: it from the ground up with yourself and with your team, right,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: so you've never had a bunch of executives.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Telling you what you should be or shouldn't that be doing.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: And that's why it's so great.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: It's like there's a bunch you have creative people, and
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: then you have the business people. And the business people
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: they think they're creative, but they're generally not, and they
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: want to tell the creative people what to do so
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: that they can say that was my idea. And so
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: then you get a bunch of people in meetings to
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: give you terrible advice and terrible ideas and then they
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: also want to compare it to shows that have already
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: been successful exactly, well we've already done this, and why
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: don't we do it this way?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: And then you don't get the purple coliffacts, which everyone
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: knows and you these are the purple. So if you're
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: driving down the road and you see a cow who cares,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: you'll never think of it. But if you're driving around
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: down the world the road and you see a purple cow,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: you're going to think about it, like, why was that
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: col purple? And I'll stick in your brain. It's the
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: same thing with content. If it's the show you've seen
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: multiple times or format that's similar, I won't think twice.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: But if it's a purple col it's something you've never seen,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: then you'll think about it again. And that's what's counterintuitive
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: to how you were saying. Most exact thing. They think, well,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: we did this before it did well repeat it. It's
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: actually the inverse of how you should look at it.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: And thankfully that's why with be Skins, I've worked with
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: Prime Video because they just give us creative control and
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: they're like, you know what you're doing, you can do it.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: But it's a lot of everyone sees that creators are
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: growing bigger and bigger audiences, and so a lot of
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: you know, every platform on Earth, they're trying to work
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: with them. And I can't count the amount of times
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: like a creator's worked with the extreming platform and then
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: you know, what they have is great, but then the
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: execs start giving notes and it starts to lose a
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: little bit of the soul, the funny, and then it
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: goes from this like amazing thing to like it's all right,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: and it's like, uh, it's just so frustrating because it's
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: like you're paying them because they get millions of views
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: of video because they have a core audience, and then
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: you're stripping the thing away that got them that core audience,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: and it's like why are you even working with them
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: at that point? And more and more platforms are like
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: waking up to it, but it's just like comical how
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: slow they are to it, and like they should just
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: trust them more.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: Well, it's hard for them because they have to put
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: up so much money and not everybody's mister beast, Yeah,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: you know that's the problem.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: It's like you have a great vision and you're really
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: good at executing, but.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: Some people aren't. So if you're gonna dump a bunch
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: of money into something, you see them making a disaster
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: like The Joker Too or something like that.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like hey, hey, hey, yeah, the fuck are you doing?
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: Of course, And that's where it's like, well, what to
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: an exec might be a disaster, to like it create
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: might be a masterpiece. And so that's obviously where but
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: it's evolving it, I mean, I think obviously with Obsession,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, they just grows four hundred million dollars.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: And I still haven't seen it, but I heard it's
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: a most what you would love it?
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: I know. I just don't go to movie theaters anymore.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: I don't either, But like that one, as with how
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: well people are talking about I had to see it.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: It'll be streaming soon. I think it'll be streaming in
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: July or something. Yeah.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Obsession back Rooms, which made by creator amazing digital circus.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: They've been crushing it iron like, so it's like Hollywood
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: seeing it more and more. But the writing has been
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: there for years. But now that I mean, we just
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: had essentially four hit films made by creators back to
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: back to back to well did you.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: See talk to me? No, Talk to Me the horror movie. No,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: it was great. These two guys from Australia. They were hilarious,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: these two brothers. They came in and they talked to
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: me about it. But they were making YouTube videos.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they made it again.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: It's called talk to Me right now.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: What's their creator's.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Names, Jamie, Dan, Philip Okay, So they're so funny. They
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: were on the podcast. Their YouTube channels like a million
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: miles an hour.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm well, I can't think of their channel. They're
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: the rac Yeah, yeah, I've.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: That movie is great. Have you seen it?
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: I know I haven't seen enough.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: It's really good. It's really scary and it's very original.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: When did you have the Racca brothers on a couple
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: of years ago? Really two years ago?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: They talked fast as hell.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Dude. They're just I'm like trying to corral them.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: It's like, hey, they're super cool guys. I last time
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: I hung out with them, I weirdly enough, they're really
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: into Uno and I whatever. I like competitive games and
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: I played a thousand dollars game of Uno and uh uh.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: So we filmed it for like a little short for them,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: and and I lost and I was like, okay, well,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: at least this will be funny, and then after they
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: leave to go back to off show, they're like, fuck
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: the SD cards corrupt. And I was like, oh, but
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: it was just funny because it was like we had
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: this like mini set and we were playing like a
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: really intense game of UNA. We were like slapping car Carr.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: It was like why then like we're like flipping desk
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: and like going like we were just the most bashitting
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: game of you've ever seen. And it's just funny. The
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: kids game like like taking over the top of Yeah,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: those guys are super cool.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Well they made a movie about a hand and so
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: it's like this ancient hand that it looks like a
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: sculpture and it's got all this weird cryptic writing on it,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: and if you put your hand on it, you hold
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: on to it and you say talk to me, Like,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you get possessed by something and
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: you're you're supposed to let go within a certain amount
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: of seconds, and if you let go within a certain
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: amount of seconds, you're okay. But somebody doesn't. Somebody doesn't
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: let go, and it's I don't want to say anything more.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: It's really is it like scary?
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: Scary?
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's a horror movie, all right, it's fun. Okay,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: it's really good.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: My fiance loves horror film, so you'll love it.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: It's really well And it was like when I saw it,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: I was like, this is crazy. These guys are like
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: super young guys, just energetic, enthusiastic, creative guys just figured
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: out how to make a horror movie. And it's all
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: done in Australia. So it's like everyone's driving on the
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: wrong side of the road and they're all Australian people.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: So it's like, he doesn't you don't have to have
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: famous actors to make these amazing movies. Yeah, it's like
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: it's not really necessary, like.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: The back rooms. I think the director I think is
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: like twenty years old or whatever. I mean, very very young,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: and I think it just crossed one hundred million.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: And Obsession same thing, right, Yeah, yeah, I.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Think they're a little older, but yeah, in their twenties
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: YouTubers and they make like curry like just the silliest,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: goofiest like skits on TikTok and Instagram reels and now
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: you know, and you watch Obsession, it really is like
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: one of the best movies I've seen a while, and
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: it's just like hilarious to see, like the jump, but
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: when you look backwards, it's kind of like Steve job sets.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: It's hard to connect the dots going forward, but you
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: can connect with looking backwards. When you look back at
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: his skits, they were very well shot and very you know,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: like beautiful, and you could you can like kind of
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: connect and your dots. I can see how this person
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: made hundreds, one hundreds of these like little scenes on
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: TikTok and Instagram, and then that led to, you know,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: to compile a bunch and it was like essentially practice
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: for the movie. And it's just cool to see the
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: progression of so many directors going over. And what's interesting though,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: is when you see these things happen, there's obviously a delay,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: right because producing films takes sometimes years, and so like
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: now that you see all these hits bang bang bang
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: coming out of the creator space over in traditional Hollywood,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: then it's not you're not gonna see the fact six
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: months from now, but eighteen months from now, I bet
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: I would bet money you're gonna see dozens of other movies,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: you know, made by creators and obviously these people are
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: gonna get more funding. And because now everyone's eyes are
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: being open to like what should have been open a
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: while ago, but that this is what people are watching now, Like,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: especially people under the age of thirty, they grow up
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: watching YouTube and they're spending you know, two hours a
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: day flipping through sub sixty second vertical feeds of TikTok
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: reels and it's you know, shorts, and this is this
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: is culture for them, this is their world.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't watch besides Christopher Nolan, Like, I'm not
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: really going to a movie theater for anything, but when
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: a creator drops a movie, I'm like, okay, Like I
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: want to see what they did, you know.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: I always want to see what new innovators are coming
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: up with. Like people that are just like thinking outside
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: the box. That aren't they're not trapped in that sort
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: of a weird world of like how to make a
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: successful film. They just they're just they have a cre
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: a vision and they're just trying to follow it out.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: And people are not limited to whatever genre you know
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: them from. Just because someone makes like funny TikTok reals
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean they can't make a great horror film exactly.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: But then think about like Jordan Peele, right, make Keen
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: Peel made this comedy sketch show, and then all of
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: a sudden he makes these you know, like get Out,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: and you're like, what the fuck?
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: It seems like comedy sketches is the gateway to great
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: horror films. I mean, I'm sure people have connected that
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: dots and I'm probably like two years late to saying that,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: but I never even realized that. But yeah, can didn't
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: feel Curry Baker a bunch of the other people. It's
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: so funny.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: Well, it seems like if you're creative, you can be
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: like most people have a variety.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: Of things that are interesting to them.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: You know, you like comedy movies, like horror movies, and
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: just because you make comedies doesn't mean you don't have
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: some good ideas about something that's absolutely terrifying.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wonder too. I feel like horror films
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: it's a little easier to do on a smaller budget
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: because it's like a lot of it is like the unknown,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: and you're not necessarily having to show it and suspense
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: and stuff where they're like, you know, you don't really see,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: like I can't really think of like a suf like
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: a couple of million dollar action film that like really crushed,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: because like obviously those are very expensive. So it seems
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: like also a good place where you can make something
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: like the difference between a hundred million dollar horror film
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: and like a ten million dollar horror film, I would argue, honestly,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: really isn't that big, right, because.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: It depends on what you're doing, right, But it's like what.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: Makes it good is the premise behind it, right, Like
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: the tension and like if the the thing that's scary,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: it like makes you feel that way, but like feelings
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: aren't directly correlated to money spent, and like you know,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: you you could have like this monster that doesn't appear
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: to the end and you don't need to like see
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: gi throughout the whole thing, but if you tell the
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: story in the right way and the constant tension, you
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: can feel like phenomenal throughout the whole day.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And a lot of the older films that didn't
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: have the kind of special effects that they have today
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: in terms of like cgi like there was something better
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: about not seeing the monster, Like American Worlf in London
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: is the best example you.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: Barely see it. You see it for like literally half
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: a second a few times in the early parts of
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: the movie.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen the movie, but.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: Oh you haven't seen it. Oh, I got amazing.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: Speaking of not seen a movie, I did watch x
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: Makina after the last podcast.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: Good.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh it was really good. Really, you know, honestly,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: I was like, it's probably silly, but I'll watch it because,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: you know, Joe told me years ago I loved it.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was that good.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: It's one of my top ten all time theater movies.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: It's also because it's coming, that's coming.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: Oh now, yeah, it's more relevant than ever.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: Did you see the Computer Electronics show from Vegas this year?
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: Computer like with the drum cees so well, they have everything,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: and one of the things they had was an AI companion.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: And this AI companion is a hot Asian lady with
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: big boobs and the lips don't sync up with the mouth,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: which is with the way the sound's coming out. But
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: it's talking to you in AI.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it literally can have a back and forth
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: conversation with you, just like perplexity ken yeah or chat
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: GPT yeah, and it's doing it with a voice, so
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: with a hot voice, and it's like that's common dude.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: Well, of course, I mean the language models already there.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: You can open up Gymni right now and talk to
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: it like a normal human. Yeah, if you just tell
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: it to respond quick, it will talk to.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: You, and it'll talk to you with slang. It'll talk
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: to you and say that part like we'll say.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: It'll Well, one thing, that's it's funny. I I play
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: this board game a lot called Dune whatever, like a
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: big nerd. But there's like this.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: One called Dune. Yeah done the movies.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a recreation. What's funny. I didn't even seen
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: the movies when I started playing the game. I didn't
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: realized there was movies. I didn't even know there's books.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: I just was looking for like fun strategy board games
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: that I used to play a lot of Katan, but
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: promise Katan it's like dice roll and you know, if
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: you get unlucky, you don't really win. There's like games
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: where you know there's a skill ceiling where you know
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: the best player always wins, which is Chess is a
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: perfect example of that. But then it gets to the
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: point of like, well if you want to be really
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: great at that. It's who spends the most time doing it.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: So I don't want one that's one hundred percent skill,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: But I don't want something that's too much randomness. That's sorry.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: I take board games a little seriously because I love
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: strategy games and like, because if it's too much dice roll,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: like theoretically Monopoly or Katan, then it's like who cares,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: It's just whether or not you got lucky. So it's
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: like I did a lot of research into like finding
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: a game where there's like a little bit of randomness
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: so it's not just about all your life, but there
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: like as an infinite skill ceiling. And so that's where
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: I kind of landed on this game called Dune, and
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: I started playing it, and it also had to be
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: a game where enough people played it, where I could
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: actually find people play it, and I got really hooked
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: into it. But it's ironic because then I saw, like
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: the movies are dropping. I was like, oh that, and
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: then all the characters starting to make sense after I
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: watched some movies. After I've been like probably a thousand
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: hours into the game, I was totally backwards on the IP.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: But anyways, because we were talking about talking to one
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: of the top players like makes YouTube videos on it,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: and I was like kind of curious, like what he
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: would do if he was like in certain move like
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: positions as me. So I just took all the transcripts
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: of like a hundred of his YouTube videos and I
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: just put it into jim Ni and and I was
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: just like, hey, you know, respond to me based how
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: this person would and talk to me like this person would,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: and like what would this person say in this scenario?
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: And then when I was like playing a game, I
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: would just ask some questions like the player's name is
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: Dino whatever, but and so I called it Dino dot
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: Io and I'd be like, what would that dot io
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: do here? And it was pretty funny because it would
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: respond just like him, because I had so many like
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: words from all his videos, like dozens of hours, and
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: it was uh and like, uh, I know one of
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: Dino's friends. His name is Shay, And I was like,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: would you take a bullet for Chay? And Dinah's like
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: a very analytical guy and like the AI was like, well,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: it depends. Is it in the foot, is it in
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: the chest? And it responded exactly how like my my
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: friend would like to a t like with his same
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: mannerisms and everything. I was like, this is crazy, Like
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: this is absolutely insane, and and then so I would
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: put it where it was on a discord call and
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: like Dino, we would be playing, and then I'd ask
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: questions and I'd be like, no, actually, Dinah, don't say anything,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: and I'd ask Donald dot Io and it would respond
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: exactly how he would respond in most of these situations
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: because it had so much like contextual relevance from all
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: his live streams on his YouTube channel, and it was
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: it was pretty crazy, and yeah, so it's uh, it
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: was just so surreal. So talking about like the robot thing,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: I just wondered too, if like if you put like
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: a pend in around someone's neck and you just recorded
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: them talking for like a week or two, and then
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: you just fed down to an LM and then you
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: were like, hey, talk to me like this person talks,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: like you could have that, you know, whatever Asian robot
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: you're talking about, you can have it literally talk to
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: you like some other human. Right Because it's interesting too,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: because I was like, hey, give me a breakdown of
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: Dino's speech, and it was like, hey, zero point one
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: percent of his words are up around point three percent
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: of what he says is like it gave me like
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: a full breakdown of like the last one hundred thousand
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: words he said, what percentage they are how he typically
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: structures his things, Like if you put him in a
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: stressful situation, he'll like kind of respond more like this,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: but if it's more chill, he'll use this vocabulary. It
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: was like really cool, but also scary because I was like, man,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of me talking right like this podcast. Theoretically,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: people could just take dozens of hours of this and
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: just make like a little Jimmy dot io and it's
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: enough where he can pick up on my speech patterns
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: and Howard respond to certain situations.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: They can do that easily and then just put you
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: in a robot and now Jimmy lives.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Forever exactly, or you can just have your robot for whoever,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: which is like.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: Kind of weird, Like that would be very weird you
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: living with you Imagine you have a robot and you
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: get the robot to do stuff.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: Around your house instead of hiring a housekeeper. Yeah, you
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: come home and Jimmy's vacuuming.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: Or not even cynically just sad. It's like, you know,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: if you lost the loved one or something.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: And then I know, but pet cemetery talk.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if someone's like really grieving, they might, you know,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: do it because they want some normalcy back or something.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: I'll probably feel empty and hollow and even creepier. You
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: have a robot that's pretending to be your husband. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: fuck off, that's crazy.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: I know, but it's just I don't know. These next
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: few years are could be crazy, man. Everything's developing so rapidly,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: and yeah, it's just yeah, it's uh, twenty thirty six
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: is going to be completely different than twenty twenty six.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: I know, it isn't that every There's never been a
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: time where the future is so uncertain, where no one
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: can give you a really accurate map of what ten
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: years from now looks like. The difference between nineteen thirty
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: and nineteen forty not much other than world events, you know. Yeah,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: the difference between like sixteen hundred and seventeen hundred, not much,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: not much different, maybe better boats, you know, maybe better muskets.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: The difference between twenty twenty six and twenty thirty six
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: is gonna be who fucking knows, I know, man full
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: on Blade Runner.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like some of the people I
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: see working on like you know, augmented reality glasses and
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: like we're you know, like there's animes where people get
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: trapped in video games and stuff like that, and I
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: could really see, like you know, with AI advancing with
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: more and more computer where you could just you know,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: put on a headset and live in a video game
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: and you you could literally just gender or generate whatever
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: the world is you want and literally, like you know,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: ten years from potentially just real time generate the video
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: game you want to be in and and cater it
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: to what you like, and just so many possibilities, and
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: obviously with humanoid robots just skyrocketing, I mean it doesn't
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: take a genius to see, well, with intelligence, you know,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: computer intelligence getting better and humanoid robots, all these just
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: tens of billions dollars pouring into it. They're obviously someone's
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: gonna figure out how to merge them together. And yeah,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: I mean ten years from now, we're definitely gonna just
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be humanoid robots and so many things that
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: now would seem weird as hell, but ten years from now,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: we'd be like, oh, it's normal.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: Ten years from now, you're gonna have a show where
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: people have to figure out whether or not someone's a
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: robot or a real person.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: I would say ten years from now. That would be
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: five years from now. Probably ten years from now. I
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: feel like that would just be like, you know, is
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: this a rocker and iPhone or whatever, Like, no one would.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: They're just gonna be normalized to especially like younger people,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: like younger kids who grow up with chat, GBT and
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: AI and stuff like that. It's like it's just intuitive
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: to them, you know, to use these things or as
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: opposed to other means, and so it's just like as
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: that generation, you know, grow, once they become a thing,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: then give it a couple years for people to get
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: used to it and normalized to it, and then you know,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: it's not gonna take that long.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be very very very weird. Yeah
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: It's and it's also like scary because you don't know
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: the implications, like whether it'll be negative positive. You know,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: some people will be negative for other people will probably
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: be positive, right, you know, like if you're a VFX
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: artist and media, you'll probably be able to spend more
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: time doing cool stuff and creative work and less time
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: like going frame by frame and like you know, like
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: no one actually enjoys like rotoscoping someone's hair, and like,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: you know, so you can you know, remove a background
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: shot or whatever. So like for certain people like that, ideally,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: you know, it allow them to you know, instead of
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: you just you know, draw a circle around them and
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: then it just collapses on them and AI just figures
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: it out, so you're not going, you know, frame by
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: frame and drawing around their body. And it does that
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: and you can spend more time doing actual like creative
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: fun work, you know, and hopefully that's where it goes
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: and not to the point where you just don't even
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: need the person entirely. But it's like anyone's guess where
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: like the puck ends up stopping.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, it's gonna be real weird, man, real weird.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll survive, but I.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: Mean, I'm an optimist. I think we'll survive.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm an optimist too, But I have a
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: feeling that we'll have a different role in society.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think we'll be the leaders anymore.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: Oh that far?
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I think AI is gonna take over most things, yeah,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: including government, including allocation of resources. It's gonna probably restrict
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: people's ability to make decisions because we're so destructive.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: I did. I listened to your podcast with Mark and Jason,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: and I do like what he said or not like.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: But it's just interesting when you pointed out that, like,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: you know, AI is the smartest doctor in the world,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: is the smartest blank in the world, is the smartest
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: of everything, right, And typically, you know, billionaires like him
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: would be only have limited access to these high level
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: professionals in each industry, but now it essentially democratize that
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: and everyone has access to the smartest person in the
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: world in each of these industries. And so it is
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: pretty interesting because if it is not omnemptent but all
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: knowing and knows all these things, like, it's like scary
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: because it's like we don't want as a human. I'm like, no,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: I don't want to make those decisions. But if you
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: like purely take a motion out of it, logically, it's like, well,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: would you rather a human with flaws that could do
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: something fairly bad or this thing that has a lot
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: more context and you know knowledge and experience, right, you
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: say you want an experienced person making a decision, Well,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: technically this has the experience of everyone ever in history
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: on the internet, right, So, but it's also I even know, man,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: it's crazy. But hopefully for the most part right now,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: at least, it seems like it's allowing people to do
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: less like busy work and less things that they don't enjoy,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: and focus more at least in media, and I'm seeing
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: focus more on things they do enjoy, Like I was saying,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: like the example of not having to roto every single
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: frame on a body, or being able to previsualize scenes
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: or whatever. So it's like it seems and everything I'm
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: seeing maybe I live in a bubble on Twitter. It
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: seems like it's not killing that many jobs yet but.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: Not yet, but it could.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: But the idea is that it could also provide so
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: much wealth for everybody that we no longer have to
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: think about money in terms of like you need food,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: you need shelter, Like this is universal. High income is
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: Elon's concept. He thinks that literally people are not going
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: to have to work anymore. Then the problem with that
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: is like then you run into human nature problems, and
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: so we have to teach children how to pursue their
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: interests rather than how to just worry about having a
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: job to feed themselves. And so then you have to
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: give them motivation. So you have to explain to them
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: at an early age that going after tasks, completing tasks,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: doing things that are difficult and challenging is actually exciting,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: good fun, and that's what you should generate to And
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: then we're gonna have to reward people based on that.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: And it's just to figure out, like what incentivizes people
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: to do things, because if they don't get incentivized, and
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: then we also have VR and AR and games that
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: you can play all day long that are way more
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: exciting than real life that you don't want to just
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: take your government money and play Call of Duty all day. Yeah,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: especially if it becomes VR call of Duty exactly.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: That's where it's gonna get hard because I think of
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: like how addicted to video games I was when I
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: was a kid. I mean still to some degree now,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: but like and if it was in a headset and
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: like a completely different world, like oh my gosh, like
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: my poor mom, Like good luck getting me out of that,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: Like she struggled to give me to stop staring at
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: a screen and making call Duty YouTube videos and playing
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: called duty when I was younger. And you know, but
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: if I was like actually in a headset and all
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: my friends are on it, yeah, you know, and then
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: you take it off and now you have freaking home
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: and work and like real life stuff, and like you
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: went from the most overstimulating, beautiful, different utopia world where
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: everything's amazing and you're with your friends and you're having fun,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: and then you take it off and you're back in
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: like real life, which sucks. Like that's like a whole
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: different level of addiction than like current video games would have.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I don't know what the timeline is
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: on that stuff, but it's clear that that's going to
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: happen in our lifetimes.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: That's the matrix, and that's coming, and there's going to
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: be multiple levels of that, and it's also going to
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: exponentially get it better and better with each iteration.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: Exactly, there's no way to stop it. It's gonna happen.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: And that's Sandbox VR but times a million. If you
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: go to play those games, you're in a small room
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: that's like a part of a giant warehouse where they
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: have these things set up, and your room is you know,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: like fifty feet by fifty feet, and you move around
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: in there and you do a bunch of stuff. But
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: if this is an actual fucking warehouse, you have physical
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: boundaries that exist, like and then you're in a virtual
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: space where as you're walking it looks like the actual
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: ground that you're walking on.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're involved, you won't be able to tell
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: what's real and what's not and.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: What those omnidirectional treadmills is not. When someone cracks the code,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: it's uh, you've probably never heard of it, but there's
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: a popular anime called sort Art Online. It's where it's
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: just a guy gets uh trapped in a video game
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: and he lives his life through there. And I remember
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: watching that when I was younger, and uh, I remember
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: like when I was really younger, fresh off of watching
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: that anime, I was like, man, I hope they figured
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: this out in my lifetime. So I'm like eighty years old,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: I could just put one of those on and just
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: live in the video game. And it's like at Percy's scared,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: but then he ends up loving it because it's just
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: like everything's great and uh and yeah, so I think, uh, yeah,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: there's just.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: Well the problem is like what's real and what's not real?
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: You know, is it really important for things to happen
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: physically in the real air quotes real world or will
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: be just as fulfilling to exist in these virtual worlds?
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: I mean there. I remember when I was younger, I'd
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: play like this game called Wizard one on one It's
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: like World of Warcraft, like an MMO RPG, and like
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: there are definitely times in my my maybe there were
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: short periods where, like when I was a young kid,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: like my character in that game definitely mattered like pretty
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: similar to like me in real life. Like I was
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: really hooked.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: You know, on that game.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so like I could see it, like you
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: know where people like look at people who've dedicated their
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: entire lives to World a wark aft there's you know,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: probably hundreds of thousands or at least tens of thousands,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, if you could recreate that
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: same effect, people feel that same way. Well, if I'm
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: ninety years old and I'm betteran like I don't care,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: put that headset on me, like I'm done, let me
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: just live it out and here, you know, someone come
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: in stretch my limbs every couple of days, like you know,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: put an IV in me. I don't even want to
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: take the headset off to eat.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: Well, then there's a question of is that already happening
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: right now?
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: So if a simulation exists and it's so good that
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: it's impossible to differentiate between the simulation and real life.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: And you know, there's a lot of people.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: That are very intelligent people that believe we are inside
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: of some sort of a simulation. Currently Elon's one of them.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: He said, the odds of us not being in a
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: simulation are in billions. Yeah, so something akin to a
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: simulation he believes is running right now. So maybe maybe
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: we are in Beast Games to me a thousand years.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: Of the future, the one hundredth version of Beast Games.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean yeah. With compute growing and growing,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: it's if someone figured out how to harvest the energy
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: of a single star.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's what this is about.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: As we grow older, technology becomes crazier and crazier, and
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: it reaches some sort of a tipping point while we're alive,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: and this is the end of the game, right, reaches
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: some sort of.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: Some actual civilization similar to us, but then they just
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: wanted to they lost, you know, like how we lost
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of our ancient history. They did too, So
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: this is a simulation to see how did we come
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: to be with all this stuff? And so yeah, I mean, yeah,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: if you're harvesting the energy of the sun and you
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: have all that compute, I mean, look at what we're
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: currently able to do with just data centers on the planet. Like,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: it's not far fetched to think you could put have
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: someone put a headset on or whatever and stimulate you know,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: trillions of things.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: So not just that, but then there's the reality of
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: the structure of the universe itself, like subatomic particles acting
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: differently when they're observing the double knowledge experiment. Yeah, so
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, what effect is consciousness having on reality itself?
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: And are we limited in our senses and our ability
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: to recognize the impact of it? And do we live
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: in a siloed version of reality that's we're imprisoned by
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: our site limited senses of site, smell, touch exactly, Like
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: there could be way more weird shit going on around
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: us all the time. We just don't have the ability,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: and that's what the simulation is exactly that it's not
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: as simple as like you show up with your lunch
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: pail and your goal to work. No, there might be
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: some weird shit that's going on all along with consciousness.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: It's uh, you know, we did a video where we
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: helped a thousand you know, blind people or people who
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: can see again with cataract surgeries, and I didn't think
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: about that. It's like fascinating because you know, if they
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: didn't have other humans around them, they just would have
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: never known that site was a thing. Like you know,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: if we as other humans didn't tell them, I mean,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: they just couldn't see. And so it is like, is
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: there a sense that we might not be aware of.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: That a bunch of them? I bad.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean but that that is like an
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: interesting thought experiment and like because like to those people
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: it was you know, actually a random memory. I just
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: got to we we also did a video where we
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: helped a thousand deaf people here again and a lot
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: of them it was just giving them like really really
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: advanced hearing aids and that you know, and they just
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: hadn't heard in years. And there's this one scene we
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: did where a guy had a newborn child that was
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: like a couple of years old, but it was deaf
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: since the child was born, and had never heard his child,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: and so we we put it in and it like
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: really really amplified sound where he could actually hear. He
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: hadn't heard sound and god knows how long, and then
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: the first thing he heard is we we had his
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: child to say daddy, and he like lost it. That
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: was the first word he heard in years and it
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: was the first time he ever heard her. And I
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: don't even know why that memory popped my head, but yeah,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: that was that was like one of the most special
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: things we've ever filmed. It was like that moment right there.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, wow, that's crazy.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we assumed that the senses that we have detect
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: everything that's around us, but we know that's really not
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: true because they're so limited just in terms of our
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: ability to see things. Right, we see more things with
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: the microscope than you can with the naked eye exactly,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: And we have no idea what the senses are missing.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: And all you have to do is ask yourself, if
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: you are those people and you didn't have other people
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: around you telling you, you wouldn't have known, you would
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: have thought that was reality, and it's just h Yeah.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll ever know, but we.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: Just think about the sense of smell, where that is
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: there's an invisible thing and when someone farts you go.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, exactly, yeah, and like, yeah, it is kind of great.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: If you didn't have a sense of smell, you would
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: just be existing just like everybody else. And then without
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: a sense of smell, life is not that much different.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: You know, it's different, but not that much different. Like
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: everything looks exactly the same, but no one can smell anything. Yeah,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: you know, but think of like gases and also to
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: like gas leak in your house or weird weird shit,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: these smell skunks, all that stuff.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: You'd be missing out.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: I guess if you had to get rid of one
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: of the five senses, that would be the one. Yeah, exactly,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like that's the least necessary to survival.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: It would suck, food wouldn't taste as good. Yeah, you
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: would know if you had bo.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but for the most part, your your odds of
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: living are don't really drop that much, and like your
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: overall happiness wouldn't change.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the only thing that would be a problem is
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: impact by chemicals, Like you wouldn't be able to smell
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: like horrible chemicals that your body is like rejecting.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: You know, there's certain things you smell.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: You what the fuck is I gotta get away from
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: that because your body's letting you know, like this is toxic.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: Whatever you're breathing in is not normal air. You would
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: that you would environmental poisons.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: Would be a problem.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: But other than that, regular life, if you lived in
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: a contained, safe environment like most cities, most offices, most
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: places that people work, it's not that big of a
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: deal to lose your sense of smell.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what's It's funny because on the car
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: right over here, it's listening the podcast we did whatever
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: four years ago, and it's like, essentially like the entire
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: podcast I was way younger back then was all about
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: like YouTube data and analytics. I don't know if you
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: remember that. And it's like I do, like one thing
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: I've noticed. It's interesting because like I started making videos
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: I was eleven, So my entire life is on the internet,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: right and like my puberty, every development and stuff. And
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: I look at that our old podcast and like it
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: is so like brutal, like I have borderline like autism
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: on like this one subject. And it's like I was
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: so one dimensional back then because I was just young
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: and I'd only ever done one thing. It's just so
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: interesting because it's like if someone were to theoretically search
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: mister bs Joe Rogan and they you know, if they
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: clicked on either one of these podcasts, it'd be two
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: completely different experiences.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: Right, But you look differently. Yeah, I mean you look great, man.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: I was saying before the podcast, you look fantastic. You
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: lost weight, you look really healthy. Thank you.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was telling job off a podcast. I lost
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: fifty pounds between the last one and this one.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: And last time when you would ask me about movies
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: or you asked me all these things every because I
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: was listening to an on three x MEI car right
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: here every single thing. I was like, I don't know.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: I was like one thing and one thing only I
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: know YouTube, and I was like I know nothing else,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: and I blocked everything else out of my like my world,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: which is interesting because I actually think that wasn't a positive, right.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: I think if I consume more other medias and culture,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: it would have been better inspiration. I would have been
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: a better storyteller. So I actually don't think it was
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: a good thing, which is why i've like since then
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: opened up and like I let more things into my
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: mind if.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: I could push back on that, though, I think it
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: allowed you to be hyper successful because you were so
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: focused on it that I think it really worked out
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: to your benefit.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's a bad thing.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think that the hours put in, yes,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: but it's like instead of consuming four hours of YouTube
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: a day, allowing like a lot of myself to occasionally
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: watch a movie, I think I would have been more
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: tapped in and understood how to tell.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: Someone when you were younger and you that's a part
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: of the process. I know.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: It's just so funny listening to that podcast because I
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: even I as myself, I watched that I was on
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: the car, I was like, wow, I like seem like borderline,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: like a freak on certain things here, because like you
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: were like you would like change the subject on certain things,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: and then I instantly bring it back to the one
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: thing I knew, like YouTube data, and like I could
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: like tell that I didn't even know, and I would
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: just be like, oh, yeah, that I think anyways retention
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: and it was just so funny listening to it. But
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: it's just interesting though, because you know, I'm sure you
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: see like a lot of your your podcasts you do,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: most people consume it through clips on social media, right,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: that's like their exposure to it and what.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: Most people consume most things through clips.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And what's fascinating though is clips don't have context
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: on the time range, right, and like you know, so
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: like whatever a clip from the podcast we did years ago,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: I'll see on my feed or it'll just randomly start
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: going viral one of them now, and like and like
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: sometimes there'll be things that like, you know, I've grown
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: up or I don't like necessarily agree with or or
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: whatever I speak differently. But because they're not like timestamped,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: it's like interesting because a clip from something you did
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: years ago can randomly go viral now and people won't
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: even know that it's like years ago, and it's so
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: fascinating because they just like pop up. And it's like
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: more people are going to listen to this podcast through
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: like random clips, probably ten fifteen times folds than like
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: actually going on Spotify or wherever you post it item.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: And it's so interesting because that's like the new form
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: of culture, especially for younger people, is sub one minute
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: ish vertical content. You know that they spike through the feed,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: but it does.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: Inspire people to listen to the whole thing, and only
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: a certain percentage of them will do that. But it's
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: like that's a thing with sporting clips. Like you see
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: the game winning touchdown, you watch that, it's like it's
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: watched more than the actual full game.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: I saw a survey of like fifty six percent of
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: people now prefer to watch a sporting event through clips
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: as opposed to like the actual thing like that you
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: get on their feed.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: Well, I guarantee you that's the case with like the UFC,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: because I know for the UFC, when they analyze the
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: performance of a show, like how many people watched it
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: on paramount plus versus how many people consumed it on TikTok, Oh, yeah, yeah,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: it's many, manyfold. It's like, you know, they get hundreds
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: of millions of views on social media of different you know.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: I wat Live a while, but like you know, the
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: White House one. I mean I saw everything on my
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: TikTok feed. I mean I probably saw one hundred and
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: fifty clips of it, so I have like a relatively
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: good grasp of what it looked like, what happened. But yeah,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: I didn't watch it live.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: You know, if you wanted to watch that one live,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: really should have been there. Like that was when you
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: really absorb how bizarre it was to actually be out.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: It was very bizarre. The whole thing was very surreal.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: Like me and Daniel Cormier and John Annik, there were
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: so many moments like the day before the event where
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: we're rehearsing, so we're standing by the octor and I
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: made a video of it where I put it on
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: DC's like.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: The White House, Like I'm showing the White House. There's
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: the cage and then the White House is right there
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: and the.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: Flyover and everything. Nuh but see that's how when I
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: was talking about the Roman Coliseum before, That's how I Yeah,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: but I didn't get the.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, they were gonna do Elon Musk versus
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: Mark Zockerberg in the Roman Colosseum, but it was gonna
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: cost one hundred and fifty million dollars just to secure
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: the venue and and set everything up.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: I mean I could have hooked him up.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: Also, it had have been a terrible fight, like.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: Would have been destroyed.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: It would have just been He's big and so that's
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: gonna be enough. But Mark knows how to fight. Mark
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: is like really into it. He trains all the time.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's obsessed.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: He brought this guy that I know, Dave Camillo, who's
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: a world class coach who's a Brazilian jiu jitsu black
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: belt judo black belt, has been training him like he's
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: training I.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 4: Know he's poor people.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: Well because I uh, I don't think he'd careful and
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: told the story like the first time I talked to
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: him years ago, like you know, we're just shooting the shit, chatting,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: and then like at the end of it, he's like, yeah,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: you want to come train him a or whatever at
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: my lake And I was like, oh no, but but
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: it's just like instantly like that, I can tell that's
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: like his way of like bonding andybody friendships, and like yeah,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: he just like he was being very serious, like he
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: wanted to roll and I've never done that in my life,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: and I was like.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: Uh, he invited me to go bow hunting with him, so.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: It's definitely not fake. Like that was a one on
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: one conversation. Oh no, no, no, I know you know that.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: But a lot of people think he's just like puts
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: on the facade or stuff. But like, oh and ironically,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: like our first time beating, he's just like, yeah, let's
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: hang out, let's do like go roll on some mats
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: and stuff, like he was being dead.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: Well, the way you could tell that it's not fake
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: is watching him train, because there's no way he could
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: be that good if he's not actually putting in the time.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: Because even his striking, his jiu jitsu, all that stuff
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: is like it's clear there's many hours been spent working
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: on technique to achieve this level of proficiency. I mean,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: he doesn't look like a world champion or anything like that,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: but he looks like a guy who's training a lot.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: You know, there's no way you can't be enthusiastic about
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: it and be doing that.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: So he's definitely.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: Really every time I listened to whenever you have a
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: podcast and you talk about the UFC and stuff that,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: it always makes me like I feel that masculine urge
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: to like go train it and do it. But it's
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: like I wish I could, like I wish I could
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: fork my life and have like one where I keep
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: going down this path of just grinding eighteen hours a
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: day and building all these companies, and then another where
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: I could like pursue fun stuff like that and like
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: because that would be fun.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: Like the how old are you, Jimmy twenty eight? You're
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: still so young?
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: You could just do this for another ten years and
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: a mass so much money that you can never spend it,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: and then ten years from now, you know, just slack
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: off a little bit on that and just go do
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff. And not only that, you could
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: create content doing a bunch of stuff like mister Beast
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 3: discovers the world, Like you could you could do anything. Man, Yeah,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: I think we're so young. I give so much time
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: ahead of you.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to even I think you like as humans,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: you like build the patterns and stuff. And I've been
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: working so many hours every day for so long that
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: it's like like literally like ingrained in me that it
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: it's hard to ever really imagine the world where like
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: it shuts off because you have to think, like I
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: start when I was eleven. It's basically now all I
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: really do is just you know, work, whether it's building companies,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: are making content and like another ten years from all,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: I'll be essentially twenty years straight of like training my
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: nervous system, of like this is what you do all
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: day every day, like constantly being warm ode obsessed with it.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: So it's hard to a visional world where I could
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: ever shut it off.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: But you know what's.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: Interesting, you and I have been doing it about the
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: same time, Like we started this podcast around seventeen years ago.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: Holy crap.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be won.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: Be seventeen years in December, I think so, right, I
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: think in this December seventeen years So it's basically on
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: these parallel paths.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: Which is crazy. You know, it would be funny, is
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: if like a vision like seventeen years ago you had
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: eleven year old me situ and then you were sitting
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: there and like comped it to today.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: That would be amazing.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're gonna do that.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: So what are you gonna do? You're gonna do a
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: show on YouTube?
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: Where did you get this idea? You did your mom
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: know about this?
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: Did you be in school? I'd be like I was
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: such a like how.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: Many hours a day do you spend weeking on content? Hey? Man,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: go outside, go.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: Talk to a woman. I mean back then too, I
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: was so like introverted and self conscious, like I probably
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have say anything that I would have been like you know,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: because you have to kind of be a little It's
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: it's interesting too, because it's like very accepted to be
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: a content creator. It's like cool, people love it. It's
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: like even parents now, like you know, they're like, do
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: it and they realize that while being a content creator,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: you learn a lot of different skill sets and it
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: teaches self agency, et cetera. But back then, I mean
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: it was your batshit crazy, very pround upon and like
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: so it's so funny to see how that changes because
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: like you know, it's the number one most covetant job
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: in America right now. Like if you were to go
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: serve survey like one hundred random teenagers, a lot of them,
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: a good chunk of them, but say they want to
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: be a content creator, maybe not specifical a YouTuber, but
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: between TikTok, Instagram influencer, like you know, yeah.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: And so it's probably the number one job the kids want.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: It is, factually yes, and so but you know when
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: I was coming up, heck no, and it's like what
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: do you have a weirdo. That's not a job, Like
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: YouTubers don't even make money. How are you gonna make money?
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be homeless. Yeah, So it's so funny to
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: see how it changes.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: The same thing with podcasts.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: Back then, I would tell people that I'm doing a
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: podcast and they would be sad, like, oh, poor God,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: Like what the fuck's wrong with used to be on TV.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you've fallen from grace. And it's so interesting
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: too to see, like, you know, as like YouTubers and
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: stuff first got started getting big, like they all used
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: it as launch pads to jump to Hollywood, and then
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: it's like the ones like me who are just like
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: who really cares, you know, like just stay over here
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: and focus on YouTube are the ones that are the biggest.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: And I just believed in the future.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: This is the same as podcasts as well, because there's
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: a lot of people that started off podcasts and then
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: their podcast got a little bit of popularity and they
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: went and did a show somewhere and they got and
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: it sort of stalled them out in the podcast world
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 3: exactly because now you're working for the man air quotes
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: and you're working for some studio or something like.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: That split time and you're not as sh Yes. Yeah,
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: well it's something I think about too, which is a
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: message I feel like a lot of people need to
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: hear because a lot of people don't realize that, you know,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: you know, not everyone can make tens of millions of
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: dollars or maybe be as successful as like you or
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: I can. But I do believe most people, if they,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: you know, find something they like, put in a lot
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: of hours, like a ridiculus amount hours, consume you know,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: basically everything's available on the internet. Now, consume all knowledge
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: available on how to be good at certain thing, and
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: then you know, do a thousand iterations on it. Then
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: they can come out the other side and do it
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: for a living, you know what I mean. Like I
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: feel like they're but most people aren't exposed to that
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: kind of I mean, to be honest rhetoric, like they
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: think still you know, their parents went to college. Gagery,
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: that's how you get a job. And so a lot
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: of people today because obviously your parents educate you and
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: teach a lot of these things. And I'm not saying
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: college is bad, just think it's the same pathway and
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: then they get in a lot of debt, and they
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: don't fully realize that, you know, if you just like
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: there are like, you know, certain content creators that might
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: blow up in two years, and there are others like
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: me that take ten years. And it's just like a
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: distribution chart and you know, probably the average somewhere in
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: the middle, and you just have to like, there's no
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: like set time frame you can give yourself. But if
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: you're surrounded with other people obsessed with the certain thing
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: you're obsessed over whatever it is, you put in ten
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: thousand hours and in those ten thousand hours, you do
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: a thousand iterations and you consume all knowledge available on it.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, the better you do it, the
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: further to the right, like the two year mark, you
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: being able to do it for a career. But you
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: know it's sometimes it will take longer and you just
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: have to give yourself enough time in it, but eventually
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: you can make it happen. And I think that just
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: more young people need to hear that, really, because they
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: just don't even really the dots don't connect in their
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: mind that that's really even an option.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: Well, it's a completely new career path, right and the
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: only way that people really can get a map of
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: the territories from someone like you who's gone through the
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: very early days of it, and they could show, hey,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: not only is this guy successfully, he's fucking hyper successful.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: Like this is not a dream, like this is a possibility.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: You just have to figure out your version of what
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: he did. Yeah, and it's a process, but.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: I would argue it's not even just for content creation,
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: like if you wanted to be an accountant or really
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: anything real. It's like, just put in a lot of hours,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: do a lot of iterations, surround yourself with great people,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: and obsess with right stay focused, consume it, and then
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: recognize like you might be like, oh, well this person
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: did it in ten months, why is it taking me
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: so long? It's just it's average and statistics and just
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: give yourself enough timeframe and it's hard to Again, I'm
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: not saying you'll make tens of millions of dollars, But
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: if you want to do that thing for a living,
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: it's if you follow those those you know, traits like
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: it's gonna happen eventually, because.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: Well, you have to be process oriented, not goal oriented.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: You know, the process is getting better at stuff. The
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: goal of being financially secure comes with it eventually. But
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: if you think I want X amount of money, well
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: that's what you're gonna think about. You're not gonna think
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: about the actual thing you're making, so it won't be
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 3: as good, so you probably never get there. Yeah, and
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 3: this is you know, one of the cool things about
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: owning a comedy club is that we've set up the
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: club so there's a real path, Like these people understand
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: how you can become professional, because becoming a professional when
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: I first started was this very vague, weird thing, like
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: you never no one knew how it was done. Like
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: you went to open mic nights, you did open mic.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: Now how do I get paid? How do I ever
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: be a professional?
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 3: Someone has to ask you to go with them on
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: the road, and then you wind up getting mentored by
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: another comedian, which is nice because they usually need opening acts.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: And that's kind of how we did it. But what
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: we set up at the comedy club, we have a
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: real creative director, This guy, Adam Eagan, who is the
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: creative director at the Comedy Store, the talent coordinator. He
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 3: watches all the open micers and he finds people that
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: are good. We have two nights of open mic nights
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: and then we have kill Tony. So we have kill
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 3: Tony the Show, which is every Monday, where these people
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: pull a random name out of a bucket and.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: You have a phenomenal show.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: It's hilarious, the.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: Best fucking show ever.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and these people get to do one minute a
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: stand up and if it blows up and they do well,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: they get.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: To come back.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: And if they get to come back, then all of
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: a sudden, millions of people have seen them do stand
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: up and now they're selling out comedy clubs and they
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 3: have real careers. And some of these people were just
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: grinding it out. And you know, my friend Dedrick Flynn,
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: he was out in Atlanta doing it, and my friend
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: Ari Maddy was in Estonia and they went to Australia
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: for ten years, just grinding trying to make it in comedy.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 3: Gets on Kill Tony. Boom, now he has a career.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: It's incredible.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: And I don't recognize those names, but like as me,
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: have a case study. Right, if they're doing stuff or other,
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: I never would to see it, But if they're on
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: Kill Tony, I'll see it exactly. There are millions of
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: people like me that we're not like we're casual comedy watchers, right,
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: I don't you know, maybe I watch Netflix special here
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: there and I watch Kill Tony and so like, if
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: you don't exist in one of those two things, you
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: just don't exist in my world. And there's so many
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: people like me.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of people now like that particularly, and
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 3: we wanted to set up a network.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: We wanted to set.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: Up like a real pathway where these people can you
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 3: can see hey, other people like like like Cam Patterson,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: he was a doorman at the Comedy Store and now
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: he's on Saturday at Live or dorm at the Mothership,
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: brother and now he's on Saturday at Live. He started
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: out at the mother Ship. I mean he's working there
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 3: as an.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: Employee and he's funny and.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 3: Tony, yes, because of Kiltony exactly, but there's multiple versions
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: of that now that are coming out of the club.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: And so we wanted to set it up like that.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: So you still have to do all the work, but
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: we want to like like illuminate the pathway exactly.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: There's a clear path well because it's a different skill sets, right,
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: Like being able to get attention and get in front
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: of people might be a different skill set than being
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: funny and being able to make him laugh and you know,
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: the things that make a great comic. And so it
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: also makes it a little straightforward for people who might
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: be just world class in on one comics, but they
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: don't know how to scraunge up enough money to travel
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: the world and do all these things and smart enough
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: to figure it out. And so like handling that part
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, like as a viewer,
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: I just want to watch funny people, right.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 3: There's also you have to be able to see other
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: people who have done it already and how they did it.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 3: So because of a guy like Cam Patterson goes from
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: being a doorman at the Mothership to now being on SNL,
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: people see it and they go, oh, it can be done.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: What did he do well? He kept killing every time
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: he got on stage. So that's what I gotta do.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: I gotta work on my set, really grind it out.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: And I was with this guy three years ago, and
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: now this guy is rich and he's famous, Like this
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: is amazing. He was poor, just like me, like literally
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: working for you know, I'm sure you pay well, yeah yeah,
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: but I mean doing road gigs and doing whatever you
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: can guys are barely getting by. But that's the key.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: It's like you gotta know, oh that it's possible.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 3: And before someone like you became, you know, a real
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 3: content creator. But imagine just trying to explain to someone
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 3: what your YouTube show, what your goal was.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: Imagine this.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 3: Imagine fifteen years ago, you sitting down with someone when
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 3: you're thirteen years old and trying to explain, I want
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: the show to have hundreds of millions of subscribers. I
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 3: want billions of hours consumed worldwide. I wanted to be
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 3: like one of the biggest shows in human history, and
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it on YouTube.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: You're out of your fucking mind.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, well and back then, like viral videos
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: back then were like two million views, right, and so
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: like if you would have said back then, I want
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: to get one hundred million views of video, like I mean,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: people would call you the lunatic, like you're just delusional,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: even delusional, like a certified like lunatic, like you're not
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: even living in reality.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: But now that you've paved the path and then you've
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: shown people that it can be done, now you.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: See, everyone's has a lot more confidence to ReBs.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: It's a real career path.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 3: It's a real career path if you pursue it the
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 3: way someone pursues learning how to play guitar and being
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 3: in a band, Like do it the right way.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: I want to be a pilot. What I have to do.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: I got to go pilot school to do the work,
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: go through the process.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: Like it's actually or I mean, I don't know if
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: it's factually, but it's like millions of people over the
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: next ten years that will you know, find a job,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: you know, being a creator or working for creators, right,
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: I know, yes, I mean dozens of dozens of creators
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: who are hiring dozens of people each. I have one
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty open recks in my business. I mean
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: they're you know, these creators. Hundreds of thousand people are
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: going to become creators themselves full time, and those creators
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: are going to hire millions of employees over the next
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: you know, decade or so. So even if you which
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: is what I see a lot of people who try
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: to become a creator who end up failing, they end
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: up being phenomenal you know, partners or employees for uh
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: other creators. Right and there the space is growing so
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: big and there's just so much demand for it because
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: not everyone who did stuff in traditional Hollywood, you know,
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: acclimates as well over here, So there's just so much
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: Like everyone I know just needs like five or six people.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: So it's like it's a pretty useful thing. And it's
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: like almost like the equival of getting a taller sugar.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: You're right, if you're a teenager now and you put
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: in five thousand hours, five hundred iterations, you obsess over
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: this thing, blah blah. You come out the other end,
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: even if you don't make it as a YouTuber. You know,
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: you know how to edit now, you know how to
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: tell a story. Now you have all these characters traits,
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: and yeah, some other YouTube will pick you up a heartbeat.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 3: And it's also it's this is the new Hollywood. I
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: mean this is really.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: I mean literally now for of the biggest films came
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: from creators. It's like not even like it is like
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: a factual thing. Now some of the biggest new ivs
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: are coming out of them. Yeah, it's where all the
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: viewership is going. I mean when I was on this
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: podcast last time, it was probably like whatever one point
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: eight billion people use YouTube every month. Now it's over
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: three billion, you know, I mean it's growing and it's
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: not slowing down. It's growing more and more and more,
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: which is what I said, what happened you know last
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: time I was on here, and what I still believe,
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: Like I don't think these things are peaked. I think
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: they're going to keep growing. And you know, it's just
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: what younger people use. They've never watched television, which is
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: obvious to me and you but you know, but to
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: some older people who still watch you know, news and
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: get it through there, it still blows their mind that
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: they're like they never used k and it's like like
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: a fifteen year old right now outside of like you know,
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: watching an NBA game or an NFL game, has never
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: used cable television. They've never even seen it. They know,
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: like they don't even fully understand. Like they're like like
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: sometimes when I'm talking to like a younger person, like
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: if I'm like trying to get a gauge of what
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: do you think of our new video, Like I'll just
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: ask like, have you ever watched cable television? To see
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: what they say? And like no, And I'll explain to
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: them that there's like two to three minutes of commercial breaks,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: kind of like when you watch NBA, but instead of
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: like a sporting event, it's like entertainment. And they'll be like,
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: why why would you do that? Why would you like
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: why would you put like three minutes of ads every
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: four minutes?
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, that's just how things were, And
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: they're like, why.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: It's so dumb that they still do it that way. Yeah, well,
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: it really is so dumb.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: It makes no sense.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 3: It makes no sense. You don't have to do it
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 3: that way. They could probably make as much money through
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: product placement and having an ad at the beginning and
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 3: doing it, and you probably get more retention, you probably
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: get more views, like no one is going to sit
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: and watch CBS and.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: The craziers you would have to pay money to. You'd
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: have to pay like fifty dollars a month for cable
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: to then have like thirty three percent of what you
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: consume the ads, which is a higher ratio than when
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: you watch to YouTube, which is free. It's like it's
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: kind of wow, and then you wonder why people are
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: moving in hundreds of millions of droves over to this
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: new form that's just.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 3: Like yeah, and then there's podcasts, which is like, how
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: many podcasts are there now?
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: Millions obviously, but how many? Yeah, obviously there's millions, But
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 3: The barrier to entry is the lowest, Like, at least
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 3: what you're doing is complex, Yeah, you know it's I mean,
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: you've created a show, you have game shows, you have
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 3: charity shows, you're giving way stuff, you have a bunch
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 3: of crazy things.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: You guys, do you have tasks? You you have.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 3: To plan it out. Podcasts, you're just sitting down, like
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 3: we talked for five minutes before we started this podcast.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we said, hi, good.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: To say, you gave me some caffeine to give me
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: cracked down.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: And let's go. And that's it.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 3: Like, so this is zero preparation other than you know,
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 3: the preparation that the host does beforehand. But if the
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: difference between that kind of preparation the kind of preparation
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 3: involved in one of your shows, it's fucking immense. And
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 3: so the barrier to entry just to be someone who's
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: a content creator like a podcaster is how many podcasts
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 3: are there?
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: Let's guess, oh, if how many do you think there
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: are Jamie Active podcasts?
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 4: How many have been uploaded this week? That's what you know.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: Active, Yeah, it's still posting on him.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's say seven million or something like that.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, Yeah, that's crazy.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: I would guess to active probably one one million.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: Please please put this. This is what I want to know.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 3: How many podcasts we're active in two thousand and nine.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, let's guess that.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, put that into our AI sponsor perplexity.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: Perplexity probably has the answer to that.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: What they sponsor you guys? Yeah, that's how you had
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: the founder on.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 3: Well, also because he's cool, I talked to him and
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 3: we started talking about ancient Hindu mythology.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, du it's gotta be a cool guest.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: I have a download. I haven't listened yet.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: It is really fascinating. Guy.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 3: We were talking about these temples in India, and I've
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 3: been down these multiple rabbit holes about these temples that
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 3: they carved out of a single song. Two thousand and nine,
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 3: there were sixty nine thousand podcasts.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: But that's active. That just means sixty nine in the
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: Apple's directory, So that means roughly seventy thousand people had
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: done one at some point. But then, yeah, I would
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: wager a small percentage were actually active at the time.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: Still, that's a lot. So that's when I started.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: So now what is it now that I'm curious now
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six? How many podcasts are there? Oh?
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: I bet seven million?
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna up my guess. I'm gonn up mine
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: to ten million worldwide. I'm up in mine to ten
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: What does it say?
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 3: So since two thousand and nine, there were sixty nine
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 3: thousand versus several million shows today depending on the database
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 3: you look at.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, what is the number though?
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 3: Four point five to four point seven million podcast shows
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 3: globally as of twenty twenty six.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: You know what I'd be curious of how many people
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: do content creation full time?
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering. Oh, that's a a question. Okay, let's let's
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: figure that out. Yeah, and a living. Let's guess how
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: many people make a living doing content creation in.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: Two thousand and nine versus now, I'd say two thousand
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: and nine, maybe zero, yeah, or a thousand or something,
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: you know, I was, I was a little good. I'll
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: say five thousand.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe five. Content creation is like a very online
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: content creation. Yeah, but the problem is that's like bloggers
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: and yeah.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: Through social media uh yeah.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: Two thousand nine.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 3: Social media is just coming out right, You're right, So
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 3: let's let's just think. Let's just not even think about that.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 3: Let's just think about today. How many people are professional
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: content creators today? Let's guess I say twenty five million.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: I would say lower probably eight let's see what eight million?
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably with the Barier entry you're making me
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 4: look up here. It's also tough in the US, like taxpayers,
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 4: people who are like fil Just like worldwide, how.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: Many people do content creation full time?
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 3: Just just how many content create How many professional content
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 3: creators are there worldwide?
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: Slept perplexity? Try to figure it out.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 4: I will, but I'm just like, it's.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I know what it's going to do.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: So it's not what do you think it's going to do.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 4: It's going to freak out. It's going to say there's
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 4: a lot.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: See what it says though.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 4: That's going to say the same sort of thing. What
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 4: does professional mean?
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, people that make a living, they pay their bills
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: off of content creation.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 4: It's not a I.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: Know it's not a great question, but let's just see
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 3: what it says. Just out of curiosity. It might have
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 3: an answer. How would it know?
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: Really, it could guess because it guests there four.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: Million probably just going to look for any database online.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: Eight to twelve million professional content creators worldwide, depending upon
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: how professional is defined, Roughly two hundred three hundred million
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 1: people identify as content creators globally in twenty twenty six.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, man, holy shit?
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 4: Are they making money or are they right?
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems relatively like it got the gist though.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it got it. It wasn't a problem, Jamie, you
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: were pessimistic.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 4: Wa, we don't have an answer.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: It's given us three million rough data.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 3: The rough data is eight to twelve million professional content creators.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: Two hundred and three hundred million people identify as content creators.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 3: So out of those, which kind of makes sense that
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 3: you know, a small percentage of them are going to
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 3: be able to figure out how to make a living entirely.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: Off of it.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 3: One analyst estimates that about four percent of creators are professional,
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 3: meaning they treat content creation as their main job and
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 3: earn a full time living. So that that's that makes sense. Yeah,
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 3: that seems about right, And that's about right with kind of.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: A lot of things.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 3: There's a bunch of people try it, and a small
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 3: amount of people actually. Like, if you think about how
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 3: many people if you go to an open mic night
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 3: in stand up comedy, and how many people are actively
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 3: participating in open mic nights where they visit one or
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 3: two open mics a week, and how many will eventually
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 3: become professional stand up comedians and make a living off
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 3: of it, You're probably in the same range of like
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 3: four percent or something like that, probably less.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense, But the interesting part is that
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: number is going to keep skyrocketing year over year. I
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: don't see any signs that any of this stuff is
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: slowing down.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: And so especially if people see that this is a
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: real path, this isn't a pie in the sky dream.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of I.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: Mean, at this point, if they don't see it, then
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I mean,
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: I'm literally spending hundreds of millions of dollars a year
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: or investing hundreds of millions of dollars a year into content,
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: and so I mean it shows what the ever bounds
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: look like.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: Well, you're really wise in that regard, is that you
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 3: spend so much money dumping it back into the business
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 3: and by doing that your content is just so much
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 3: more advanced than anybody else's. And that's such a big
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: risk because a lot of people would say, I'm making
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 3: all this money, who knows when this is going to end.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 3: Let me squirrel this away and make sure that I've
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 3: got money saved up forever. You just like, fuck it, let's.
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: Just to go hard. Well, it's what I used to
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: call the creators would back in the day reach like
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: five million subscribers, and then it was a real inflection
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: point that I would notice where they'd either keep growing
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: or that's where they'd start to teeter off, because it's
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: around the time where they'd start to make good money,
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: and it's either like okay, now they have a house,
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 2: they have a car paid off, and like the ones
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: that were really money motivated, they kind of got that security,
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: and so that that burning fire that was pushing them
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: to do crazy things like kind of ye started to
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: die off, and like it's like the Fermi paradox, Like
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: for quite a few people, it's around that range is
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: where you see like your favorite creators start to get lazy,
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: upload less, not put as much effort, and not care
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: as much. And so but yeah, I never really had
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: any of that. I just like, you know, I mean,
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: like I probably talked about last time we're on here.
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: I used to live in an apartment that I would
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: share that was seven hundred and twenty dollars a month,
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: so like three six of your rent. And I drove
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: a two thousand and six Dodge dur Ango that cost
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: a couple thousand bucks. And I just didn't have any liabilities,
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: so I was just like, screw it, I'll just keep
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: my lifestyle cheap so I could just reinvest it all.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: And you know, that's so wise.
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 3: Most people don't do that, and most people don't have
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 3: the discipline to work as much as you do well.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: And yeah, the carter part too, is when you have
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: the pressure of your parents and stuff, and I don't know,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: I'm weird. Like when my mom would I mean as
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 2: sad as it sounds like, she would literally cry sometimes
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: and be like, I'm just so worried you're gonna lose everything,
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: Like what if these video stop getting views? And I
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: don't know what would come over me, but I'd be like,
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: it'll be fine, Mom, don't worry, And I just like,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: very commonly just say it to her. I wouldn't argue
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: with her, I'd be like, just just have faith.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: Well, you were right.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: I know it weren't great now, but it's up to parents.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 1: Parents always worry about their kids.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly, So I don't think it's like she was doing
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: anything wrong but all purposes like she was doing the
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: right thing. It's just you also have to overcome that
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: pressure as well, because there's so many forces around you
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: where even if you believe in yourself, all it takes
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: is one person like saying something like that puts self
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: doubt in you, and then you're like, you know, but
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: that's where I'm a big believer. If you really want it,
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: just keep your liabilities low, like live below your means
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: and that way, it's like, you know, it's a little
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 2: easier to be riskier of you, aren't you know, have
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: all these things you got ufford because what really changes
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: if you fail.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 3: That's definitely smart, But there's something happens also to people
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 3: where just the cont grind of work, it diminishes their
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 3: enthusiasm and they lose their perspective. They lose this perspective
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: of God, you're so fortunate to be able to do this,
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: You're so fortunate exactly, and people just get really complacent.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 3: It's it's so easy for people to just forget how
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 3: fortunate they are to be able to do what they're doing.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they admitted sometimes I get hit with that
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: where you know, It'll be a late day of shooting
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: and I'm in an airport and you know, a bunch
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: of people are following around and filming me, and I'm like, ah,
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: you know, and you get those thoughts in your head
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: where it's like, is this really the life I wanted?
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: And you like start to like be like ah, you
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: kind of regret your decisions, but then you got to
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: like snap out of and you're like, Okay, Like the
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: small subset of time, yeah, it might be brutal, but
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: for the most part, I'm doing dope stuff Like I'm
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: in the Pyramids, I'm in the Roman Coliseum. I'm doing
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: like beautiful, amazing things, and I get to entertain and
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: help people. And it's like and you just have to
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: think it's very important you're around people who, like, if
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: you have a group of people around you who when
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: you get in those nag up thought loops, encourage it
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: and help you spiral, it's bad. But people who are
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: which you know, not everyone in my spots position has
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: like people who are you know, willing to tell them
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: how it is right, who are just like bro, grow up,
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: like it's fine, you know, this will be done in
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: twenty minutes, and then you know your life's pretty good,
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: like you, you know, it's it's like a it's a
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: weird thing, like you really because like I've had some
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: of those conversations with people where I give them the
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: perspective and I can tell like they haven't had that
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: perspective fed to them in a very long time, and
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: you can see it in their eyes. Will be like, yeah,
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: you're right, and it's like, yeah, you really need some
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: like better people around you because you feel like you're
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: you're like spiraling in these like really weird thoughts. But
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: like if you look at it objectively, it's not as
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: bad as you think.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 3: That's the really difficult resource resource to acquire is being
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: around positive people, powerful people, people that really get things done,
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: and people that are motivating and people that are really exciting.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 3: That's because so many people have fast things, so many
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 3: people do just enough, just barely enough. You're supposed to
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 3: go all the way, you go three quarters of the way,
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 3: you know, so many people, so many people just they
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 3: don't they And but if you're around someone who really
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 3: gets at it, really is enthusiastic and really is powerful
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: and very positive, then it's contagious.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: It literally is. It's infectious, and it makes something mundane
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: honestly fun too, and especially if you respect each other,
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: and then it just like it really compounds. And so
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: it's so important, like even at this stage, like I say,
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: for newer, younger entrepreneurs or people trying to be content
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: creators or friend groups everything, even at the stage I'm at,
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: it really is because you are like you think, speak, talk,
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 2: act like the people you're around, and like they say,
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: show me the five people around the most, I'll show
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: you what your future is. And it applies at every level,
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So my friend Brian Simpson has a great saying.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 3: He says, you can't be your own boss and be
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: a shitty employee.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 2: Wait, elaborate on that.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 3: So if you work for yourself, if like you're the
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 3: one who's out there doing it, you like, so you
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 3: don't work for anybody, But you also can't be a
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 3: fucking lazy, half assed employee. It's like you can't be
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: both things. He goes, if you're going to be your
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 3: own boss, you better be a great employee. And I
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 3: was like, oh shit, Like you can't be your own
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 3: boss and a shitty employee. Yeah, Like, if you are
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 3: going to work for yourself, you've got to get some
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 3: shit done, because that's a very rare position to be
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 3: a person that works for themselves do the thing you
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 3: actually love to do. And I think one of the
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 3: things that's really powerful about this time as opposed to
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: any other time in history, is that there's so many
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 3: conversations like this where you get to hear from a
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 3: guy like you who is doing that. So people, young
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 3: people who are listening to this right now, they listen
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 3: to you like, the fucking mister Beast is just getting
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 3: after it, Man, I want to do that instead of
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 3: like hanging out with your friend and just get stoned
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 3: in place called duty all day and is always complaining
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 3: about everything in his life. But meanwhile he doesn't do anything.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 3: They're like, that's not how I want to think and behave,
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: but that guy is. And so you get examples outside
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 3: of your own personal social circle because maybe they don't
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 3: know a mister Beast, Maybe they don't know someone who's
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 3: out there doing whatever they want to do with their life,
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 3: but they get examples of it online and they can
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: listen to these people talk and then get inspired exactly.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 2: And I would assume you have a lot of parents
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: who watch these that you know have kids, and I
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: would encourage the parents to, like the last three minutes
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: of what he just said there, like maybe play that
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: for your kids. And I can like go on top
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: of it to say, because I agree, I don't think
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: enough young people get exposure to this kind of mindset
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: that you know, you it really is time friend group,
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: you know, iterations on certain thing and consuming all knowledge available.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: It's those four things and do those four things and
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: like you'll make it further than you can imagine. And like,
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: you know, there's outliers like you. This is what like
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 2: skews a lot of people's perceptions. They'll find an outlier
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: of like, well, this person became very hyper successful in
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: this thing, but they didn't do those four things. And
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: there's there's outliers everywhere. But if you look at statistically
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: the average, right the person listened to this, you're not
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: gonna be this one in a million freak outlier statistically,
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: you know, if you want to make a good income
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: doing something you're not currently doing and you're not currently
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: very knowledgable in it or have much experience, it's just
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: those four things. Find those people put in the time do.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: But it's like, if you just listen to every Joe
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: Rogan podcast, you're not gonna be great podcaster. So it's
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: time plus iterations, right, you would have to go do
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: An example of that would be do five hundred mock
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: podcasts while also consuming all of Joe Rogan's podcasts. Right,
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 2: So you're doing both while also consuming all knowledge available
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: about podcasts. Will also surrounding yourself with other people who
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 2: want to be podcasts and then yes, this podcast might
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: have blown up in a year, but statistically that's not
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: going to happen.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: You have to give yourself like the average might be
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: four or five years, and some people like me take
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 2: ten years. And you just have to be so in
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: love with the journey that you're cool with it. You're
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: just like, I'm just going to do it till it
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: works out, and you know it could be as soon
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: as this one the likely they'll be here, but there's
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: a chance it could be there. And if that freaks
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: you out and then scares you. Then you probably don't
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: love it enough. But if you're like, well, I'll have
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: fun while i'm doing it, then yeah, do those four
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: things over the long horizon, and you know, again, you
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: probably won't make one hundred million dollars, but if you
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: want to make one hundred thousand dollars a year or whatever,
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: it's not out of the realm of possibility. And just
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: those sentences alone, for a young person they hear it, it
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: opens like a third eye in their mind where they've
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 2: just been told the whole life, go to college, get
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: a job. This doesn't even exist to them.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, again, it's like you have to be concerned about
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 3: the process and doing a thing that you love to
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 3: do and trying to get better at it.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: And you know, it's like if you say, let's.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 3: Say you want a million dollars, well, you could win
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 3: the lottery.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: You might win the lottery, but the odds are very low.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 3: Or you could find a bunch of people that work
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 3: really hard, and what did they do. Well, they just
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 3: kept working hard and they figured out what it is
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 3: they do and they made money. Like, yeah, that's probably
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 3: more likely. So just going the general direction, and who knows.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 3: Along the way, you might hit it quick, something might
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 3: happen really quick, or you might figure something out.
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: You might be an outlier.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 3: But the point is the process is available, and the
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 3: process is available to anybody. You just keep doing something,
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 3: you'll get better at it. Be objective, be self analytical,
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 3: like recognize what you're doing wrong and what you're doing right,
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 3: and get better at it and constantly try to improve.
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: And just because something doesn't exist as what is your
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 3: occupation you know in a form from two thousand and one,
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean it's not a real job, you know, just
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 3: because you can't tell you you know, if I told
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 3: people at a cocktail party in two thousand and nine
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 3: that are, h oh, I'm a podcaster, like that means zero.
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 3: You tell them today, they go, oh amazing, How long
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 3: you been doing that? You like, it's a job now, right,
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 3: So how did it become a job a job? Because
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 3: people figured out how to make it a job and
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 3: they did it and it worked.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: And so there's a process.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 3: So that process exists with virtually anything you want to
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 3: do that somebody does for a living. I don't care
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 3: if it's rock and roll, star, stand up comedian novelist.
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 3: There's a thing out there that you want to do
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 3: that someone is making a living, but meanwhile there's going
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 3: to be people. It's like all the odds you're making
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 3: it and not like, okay, is that what we're doing.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 3: We're just walking playing odds, but the odds you're dying
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 3: are one hundred percent.
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 2: So once you adopt this mindset, though, then the naysayers
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 2: go from being brutal to actually being good, because now
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: the naysayers are what stop other people from doing the
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: thing you're doing, which actually increases your odds. Right, So,
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: once you get over the hump where you know, you
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 2: reach a certain point where you know someone as you're
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: going on the client like where someone going this is stupid,
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: this is unrealistic or whatever, where you just like it
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: starts to feel like it goes from something that makes
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: you nervous and keep you up at night to like
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 2: you don't even really care anymore because you've just heard
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 2: it so many times. And then it's like, but there
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 2: are people who hear it and they quit, and so
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: it's technically a benefit for you. So I like to
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: always not always, but I know a lot of things
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: I like to try to spend it as like a
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: positive too, like this thing that's annoying, what's the positive
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: side of it? And the positive is technically it will
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: make less people do the thing you're doing, which makes
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 2: it easier for you.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 3: But I guess it does, but I don't ever think
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 3: that way. I just think if someone can do it,
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 3: you can do it. And the problem is you have
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 3: to make sure that you're not spending too much time
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 3: doing it the wrong way. And so that's where it
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 3: helps that someone's already paved the path.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, if you can get a mentor.
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: Here's the real question.
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 3: So two thousand and nine content creators, there's fucking very
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 3: few of them, right, what are we missing? Like, is
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 3: what is going to be a job that no one
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 3: sees coming that's going to be like a content creator
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 3: or a YouTube creator ten fifteen years from now, you know,
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 3: Oh gosh.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: I mean it would have to be something with the
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 2: AI that don't even see.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: So what could it even be?
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 3: Like what would it be that people are missing that
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 3: other people are gonna.
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 2: It's changing so quick, Like my brain can't even comprehend it.
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 3: Like nobody even thought only fans would be a possibility
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 3: that there'd be a large amount of girls that just
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 3: show their naked body for a living.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and not even for a.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 3: Living, like most of them don't even get paid very much.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 3: But a lot of them have only fans pages some
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 3: crazy number. It's like ten percent of girls eighteen to
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 3: whatever have only fans.
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: Is that in the US?
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow, it's a nutty number.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And an enormous number of people subscribe. Yeah. I
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: think it's like literally half of American males have at
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: one point in time subscribe to only fans. That can't
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: be real. That's I think it's like one hundred and
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 1: fifty million.
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: Holy crap.
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's crazy. I think the numbers are
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: crazy high.
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, where my head's going. If we're
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: trying to predict the future, maybe would be like AI
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 2: filmmaker is or like something like that.
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 1: But I don't even But I mean, what are you
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 1: doing there?
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 3: You're doing just recreating the pomps and making things like yeah, lame,
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 3: But what are we missing because the YouTube thing nobody
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 3: saw that coming.
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, podcast thing, nobody saw that coming either.
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 4: Not new though, it's just changed the money, Yeah, just
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 4: the money.
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 2: From a normal boy.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 3: What also centralized it in the like where Playboy was
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 3: always a thing where you had to get picked by Playboy,
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 3: you know. Now all you have to do is just
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 3: take a photo of your box and there's always the
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 3: local Yeah, I mean, but it's not centralized like only
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 3: fans is where you go there and there's like thousands
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 3: and I don't know.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 1: How many more than that content creators, you know, I
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: don't know. Time will tell, Yeah, time will tell.
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 3: But uh, it's just such a fascinating world that we
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 3: live in where the number one most watched show in
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 3: the world is yours. Like you have the number one why, well,
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 3: if it's on YouTube, then it's the number one most
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 3: watched show period. Yeah, it's in the known universe. Well,
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 3: right now, you're the most watched person in the known universe.
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: I opened it up on the way because I figured
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 2: we'd talk about the size of the show. In the
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: last ninety days on just just our main channel, it's
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: like around eight hundred and fifty million unique people have
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: watched a video in the last quarter.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: That's so crazy.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: We're doing around four billion views.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, eight hundred and fifty million people is so crazy.
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 2: Uniques too, because we do. We did around twelve billion
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 2: views the last ninety days on just the main channel,
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: and of those twelve billion views, like whatever, eight percent
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 2: of them are different humans. So it's like factually like
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: eight hundred fifty million. Like when I say that, people
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 2: are like, oh, that's eight hundred and fifty million views, so
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: like you know, eighty million, but no, it's twelve billion views,
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: eight hundred fifty millionunique. So it's just like it's crazy, man,
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 2: And it's like, what's fascinating is you like ten years ago,
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 2: like even with cable or whatever, twenty years ago, eight
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: hundred fifty million people didn't use the same platform, right,
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: It's like you wouldn't have even been able to reach
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: that many people even if you were the biggest in
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 2: It's like a very interesting time where essentially as Internet
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 2: usage grows worldwide outside of China, so does YouTube usage.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: Because if you google something, YouTube pops up or you know,
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: now if you're gymnaying something, you know they'll eventually have YouTube.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: If you buy an Android phone, which most phones have
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 2: their operating system, YouTube's there. So like everyone, just as
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 2: you use the Internet, you end up on YouTube. And
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: so that's why you know, even though it's whatever, theoretically
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 2: three point two billion monthly active users, I would be
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: shocked if they didn't hit four billion in a couple
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 2: of years and keep growing like it shows no signs
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: of stopping as the Internet's growing. And so it's like
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 2: to be number one on this platform that is basically
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 2: mirrored to the Internet is like it's it's like it's crazy,
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's a really wild opportunity.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 3: And because it's a platform where anyone can upload, the
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 3: variety of content is extraordinary because there's no gatekeeper's like
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 3: a lot of it's trash and nonsense. But there's so
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 3: many interesting shows. Yeah, there's so many interesting shows on science,
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 3: on cosmology, on history, on fill in the blank. There's
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 3: so many people that just have a passion for a
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 3: certain thing and they made a channel and now that
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 3: channel all of a sudden, as.
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: Our million ages are very similar to probably I have
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 2: so many like old history videos or it's like some
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: old guy that's just breaking down over to battle scenes
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 2: or whatever agreed and like they go as niche as
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: possible down to like this is like the most you know,
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 2: the largest fights in history, and like a ranking of
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: like ten you know, Deadly's fights or yeah, like I
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: would say like a third of my homepages, like just
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: history videos was here?
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 3: YouTube uploads users upload roughly five hundred hours of video
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 3: every minute.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, not to be that guy, that's that's a very outdated,
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 2: I believe, but maybe or or actually no, no, sorry,
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: So people watch a billion hours a day on YouTube
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 2: I believe, so this is upload never mind, this might
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: be aggress.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 3: So five hundred hours of video every minute, three thirty
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 3: thousand hours per hour uploaded, Seven hundred and twenty thousand
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 3: and hours are uploaded per day. Watching just one day's
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 3: new uploads would take over eighty two years day.
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 1: Whoat YouTube?
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 2: Well this is the twenty million videos uploaded a day.
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 2: That's quoting. That was probably before shorts. I bet you.
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 2: Now that so many people are posting, you know, shorts,
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 2: it's probably like way higher.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: Now that's nuts.
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 3: But I mean, what's what we're talking about, Like having
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 3: a platform like that where anybody can upload anything, it
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 3: just makes the variety so intense. Yeah, like there's anything
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 3: you want to watch, any video you want to watch
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 3: on Nature, any video you want to watch on you
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 3: have a question about science, just put it in there,
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: and there's some guy who's got a.
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 1: Fucking one and a half hour lecture on exactly it's nuts.
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 2: And that's the beauty to tie everything together as like
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 2: a bo That's why you can learn anything and you
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 2: can do anything you want for a living for the
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 2: most part if you allocate the tide, because it's all there.
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 2: There's literally odd YouTube Harvard classes that are recorded the
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: same thing you would go into crippling debt to walk
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 2: like to attend is literally there for free, right, It's
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 2: all there. All knowledge is available there, and if you
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 2: you know it's it's not easy, right. No one's laying
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 2: out like like how you're doing with the Mothership. Here's
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 2: a to z on how you could become a cam Patterson.
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 2: It's not necessarily there, which is why it's hard, but
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 2: you can. All the ingredients are there, you just have
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: to go collect and put them together and put in
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 2: the work to get a disease being you know, the
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 2: career you want to do. It's because all the knowledge
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 2: is there. Ever, like even I've literally gone on podcasts
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 2: countless times and said everything I know about YouTube with
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 2: no gatekeeping whatsoever. I've literally had people where was it.
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 2: I was in some gym this I think it was
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: in La or whatever, in between shoots, just working out,
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: and a guy literally came up to me and no
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 2: idea who he is, but he's like, I have three
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: million subscribers on YouTube. I started like eighteen months ago,
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 2: and like, I just listened to one of your podcasts
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: and I just did like exactly what you said, and
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 2: I got a friend group. I started obsessing over it
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 2: and you know, and I did like these analytical things
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 2: and I just like quit my job a couple of
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 2: months ago, and I was like, no, shot, this is
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: like a coincident. You were like, you're like tracking me
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 2: or anything. He's like no, and he's in Jim close sweat.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 2: He's like, I was just running on the treadmill and
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to tell you that, like I literally
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 2: just quit my job and I'm making more money because
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 2: I just listened to one of your podcasts and I
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 2: was like whoa, and it was it was crazy. But
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 2: I've had experiences like that countless times where like these
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 2: these things, which is why I'm so passionate about sharing
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 2: it like opens people's minds. And he's like, yeah, I
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 2: just I didn't realize that was a possibility in life.
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 3: You know, Well that's you're you're coming from life with
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 3: a with a perspective of feast not famine. And that's
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 3: the good thing about it that there's there's enough opportunity
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 3: for everybody.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: And I have a country and view on that because
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of creators do see other creators as competitors.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 2: But I've always been like, like, if someone's doing well,
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 2: I don't get threatened. I'm like, yo, let's just film together,
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: like collaborators is not competitors. Like what there's literally trillions
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: of views going on. If you think this person getting
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 2: an extra even if they crush it billion views a year,
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 2: has any impact on me, Like, you're crazy, It has
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: no impact, right, there's I mean people are sometimes spending
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 2: four five hours you know a day consuming content, right,
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 2: they watched their little twenty minute video you know that
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 2: they upload every two weeks. No impact whatsoever, And so
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 2: I think it I was really the first person to
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 2: kind of adopt that mindset, and more people are doing
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 2: it now. But yeah, that's why I go and share everything,
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: like literally to a t and like I'll help people
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 2: make you know, some people end up making millions of
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 2: dollars that I've helped mentored, and I'm just like, yeah,
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: it's just fun, you know, because they always ask me
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 2: like why are you doing it? I'm like, why not?
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, what's what's there?
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 1: It's only positive.
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 3: It's an abundance mindset, and that I think the Internet
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 3: encourages that, fortunately, because television is the opposite of that.
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 3: So television the problem was there's only a certain amount
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 3: of slots. So if the Mister b Show was on
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 3: NBC and then there was another guy who was on CBS,
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 3: he might also be at eight pm on Wednesdays, You're like.
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 1: Fuck that guy.
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, true, and I'm gonna give him a c.
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, you would never.
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 3: But because the fact that YouTube is available literally to anybody,
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 3: and the amount of people that are viewing it is
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 3: so immense, it's an abundance and you treat it like that,
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 3: and it actually just makes you grow.
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 2: Exact because also if you share with people, they'll share
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 2: with you, and there's no one who will at this
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 2: point in my career, you know, be able to go
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 2: tell me something that will make me ten percent better.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 2: But there are infinite amounts of people like can make
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 2: me a better storyteller or better you know at like
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 2: you know, leader, a better communicator, better at set design.
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 2: And it's like it's more about grabbing those point one
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 2: percents here and there and like adding them together, and
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 2: so like, you know, sometimes I'll give someone something that
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 2: you know, might fundamentally change everything for them, but then
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 2: they'll teach me something very small, and I'm like, oh,
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 2: that's actually very useful, and if I retain it, I
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 2: can see how, you know, that'd be really cool, like
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 2: on the set design, on how we could do a background,
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 2: or like, hey, after x amount of feet, you don't
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 2: need as much details, so now we can put more
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 2: time into like the detailed stuff up front. But you know,
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 2: and sometimes it's being too particular and things really far,
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 2: Like it's all these little things that you just accumulate
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 2: over being around different people at different expertise, and you
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 2: just have to like, yeah, you just have to, Like
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: some people don't see the value in that kind of stuff,
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 2: but there you can learn anything, or you can learn
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: something from almost anyone. And I do believe that because
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 2: everyone has like different things and different experiences and stuff
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 2: like that. As a content creator, because you're also making
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 2: content for millions of people. So even just learning you know,
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: what a normal person is going through or what their
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 2: life is like, is helpful for being able to relate
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 2: with them and through the content or make something that
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 2: is interesting to them. So if you approach people like
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 2: that where it's like I can learn something from you
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 2: no matter who it is, it's also I feel like
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 2: not many people take that approach either.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 3: Fuck it, dude, I think your approach is very valuable
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 3: for a lot of people to hear, very valuable for
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 3: young people to hear, because if they just follow those
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 3: principles and just follow your passion and really be disciplined
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 3: and focused.
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 1: You could do a lot of things in this life exactly.
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 1: You'd be like Jimmy, you.
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 2: Could probably not statistically not, but logistically not to be
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 2: a person with a couple less zeros and all the
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 2: numbers of course.
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and also just be enjoying your life because you're
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 3: doing something you want. You're actually creating something, yeah, and
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 3: something you'd be proud of and something that people enjoy
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 3: and that makes you feel good that people are enjoying
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 3: your work.
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and speaking of something you're proud of. So since
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 2: the last time I was on here. A big thing
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 2: I've been where working on is are you aware of
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 2: how many kids are like working illegal child labor on
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 2: cack cal farms. I think last time I was on
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 2: here we talked that about how I sell chocolate. Yes, yeah,
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: do you know that there's over a million kids that
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 2: work in illegal child labor on kick cal farms?
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah?
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 2: Where in West Africa? Sokotovar in Ghana, which is where
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 2: like majority of the world's CaCO comes from. That's uh,
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 2: there's Rampi childliver. You can ask perplexity. I'd love for
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 2: you to pull up data so we can see it
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 2: that I'm not just making it up. And when I
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 2: think when I last came on here was right after
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 2: I started a chocolate company and I had no idea
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 2: like how bad it was. And the last few years
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 2: I've been trying to figure out how we can build
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 2: our own supply chain where we can actually get kids
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 2: out of illegal child labor. And there's it's like, really,
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you're interested in it, but it's
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 2: like a lot of stuff I'd love to share on that.
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 1: No, that's very cool.
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So basically, if it just asked perplexity, how many
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 2: kids work in child labor in West Africa and kick
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 2: cal farms? And uh, right here, one point five to
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 2: one point eight million people. Wow, children. Yeah, it's uh,
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 2: it's pretty wild and I had no idea, and like
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 2: it's like been like this for decades, and so it's
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 2: so normalized in the chocolate industry that you know, when
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 2: I would talk to other people who work at child
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 2: companies or execs, they're just like, yeah, just kind of
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 2: is what it is, is how it works, and.
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 1: That's just how they get their chocolate. Period.
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not all the labor. It's around whatever,
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 2: forty six percent of the labor.
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 2: So if you were to work with how it works
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 2: is like there's well over a million farms in those areas,
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 2: and you don't buy from farms because they have no leverage.
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 2: So farms form cooperatives. So like these hundred farms will
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 2: gather aggregate their beings so they have a little leverage
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 2: they'll sell it to so you buy from a cooperative
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 2: and statistically, you know, forty six percent of those farms
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 2: will have child labors, some won't, some will, and so
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 2: you're you're buying at a cooperative level. And so when
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 2: I went to all the biggest distributors and everyone you
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 2: know that does all the sources for KEU, and I
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 2: was like, so, is there any way I can pay
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 2: a premium and not have little kids work on my farms?
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 2: And it literally didn't exist. And I was just so
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 2: mind blown. And it really was frustrating because they're it's
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 2: just like it's not even did it not exist, Like
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 2: no one really seemed to like even think it needed
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 2: to exist. I was like, you guys, like these are kids,
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 2: Like you have no issue making billions of dollars in
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: profit on little kids working on the farms. It was
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 2: like a very weird thing.
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 1: So crazy. So that's most chocolate.
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 2: Well majority of the world's cacla, as you saw it
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 2: comes from West Africa.
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 1: So I mean, holy shit, man, Yeah, I know.
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 2: And so that's what I mean. I'm thousands of hours
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 2: deep into this. And so I met a different company
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 2: called Tony Shocaloni, who is like a reporter who you know,
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 2: started talking about this and.
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, his name is Chocoalone.
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 2: Tony, but the chocolate brand is Tony Shocaloni.
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 2: They did ethical sourcing and I spent a lot of
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 2: time learning from them, and like I've just been on
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 2: this journey with featables is how can we ethically source
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 2: you know, feastables, cacao and so we actually, this is
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 2: a fun thing I've never said publicly. So we we
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 2: started doing working with certain farms. But then I started
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 2: around seven months ago big case study where we went
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 2: to five villages that the average child labor there was
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 2: like forty five percent, So forty five percent of the
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 2: labor on the farms in these villages was a legal
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 2: child labor. And we we went on the doors and
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 2: we collected every single data point. We knocked on every
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 2: door we got there's around ten thousand people that live
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 2: in those five communities. We knew everything from the child
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 2: labor aids to school attendants to everything. And then we've
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 2: throughout the last few years we've just been collecting tons
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 2: of data on why kids work in child labor, how
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 2: you get kids out of child labor, which most of
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 2: it comes back to poverty. Big chocolate pays farmers so
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 2: little that they just can't afford to not use children.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 2: So part of it is there's this thing called a
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 2: living income reference price, which looks at the cost to
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 2: actually live there, and you just guarantee your So we
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 2: guarantee one hundred percent of our farmers that will pay
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 2: a living income reference price. And then we work with
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 2: fair Trade, which the cooperatives, I was explaining to you,
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 2: sometimes they're not democratically elected, right, so you can pay
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 2: more money. But if the cooperative is like someone's stim
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 2: skimming off money or taking it, it doesn't flow through
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 2: to the farmers. So we go through we make sure
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 2: it's complicated. It's like I thought this would be an
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 2: easier problem to solve. This is a multi year journey
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 2: for me. But we go to the cooperatives, which again
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 2: is just a collection of farms that pool their cacals
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 2: so they have more leverage so you can't take advantage
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 2: of them. And we make sure through fair Trade that
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 2: they're democratically elected cooperatives, so the farmers actually get the money.
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 2: We pay a living income reference price, and in exchange
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 2: for doing the things, they have to let us audit
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 2: and remediate the child labor on the farms. And so
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 2: in this five village case today that we did, there's
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 2: around ten thousand people living in there, and about seven
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 2: months ago there's around five hundred and fifty kids that
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 2: were in illegal child labor in those communities, and so
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 2: then we started taking over sourcing from there. So we
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 2: started doing our Sorcing principles and paying the farmers living
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 2: in and reference prize fair Trade came in come in,
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 2: started paying the premium. And now seven months later we
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 2: just got the initial results after we did our check
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 2: ins and some of the communities we were getting so
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 2: many kids out of child labor. There literally wasn't a
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 2: school because kids just worked on the farm. So like
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 2: some of these we literally built a school so they
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 2: could go to school. Because the goal isn't just to
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 2: get the kids out child labor, it's also to get
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 2: them an education so they're not you know, because if
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 2: you grow up only working on a cacal farm, you
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 2: have no education. So then you're basically doomed to working
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 2: on it your whole life, you know, because you you
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 2: don't know anything else, right, And so we just did
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 2: our recent wave of a check in where we knocked
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 2: on all the doors, check school attendance and everything. And
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 2: so seven months ago is five hundred and fifty kids
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 2: ish roughly in illegal child labor. What do you think
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 2: it was now basically six seven months later, we were
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 2: able to get a ninety percent reduction and get it
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 2: to where there's only like around fifty still on child
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 2: labor with our first check in. And now we constitute
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 2: a kid remedia out of child labor with two check ins.
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 2: So that was just the first one. So technically buy
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 2: our books, they wouldn't be fully remediated because you know,
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 2: there might have been an accent or whatever, so we
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 2: like to double check it to make sure things are accurate,
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 2: so we'll do another check in the future. So not
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 2: technically officially remediated, but it just shows that, like it's
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 2: possible to reduce the child labor in these areas, like dramatically, right,
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 2: like if you were to apply the things we did there,
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 2: but macroly across the whole country. I mean you're talking
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 2: you could get swerves of hundreds of thousands of kids
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 2: out of legal child labor. And so the big way
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 2: I've been doing or been on is like step one
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 2: is apt to prove its possible, so then we can start.
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 2: You know, I like most people like you, they just
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 2: have no idea that there's this much rampid child labor
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 2: in chocolate.
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 1: I had no idea until you brought it up, I know.
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 2: Which is like crazy, and it's like it honestly, it
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 2: really frustrates me because no one has any idea and
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 2: like everyone's just kind of cool with it. And I
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 2: think part of the problem too is if you were
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 2: to google it, they use like confusing language where they're like, yeah,
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 2: this is our ethical sourcing strategy. But at the end
• 2:42:06
  Speaker 2: of the day, obviously most cow is going to Big Chocolate,
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 2: and you know, they can say they're doing all these things,
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 2: but factually there's all these kids in illegal child labor.
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 2: So it's like, I mean, I.
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 1: No one's put in the effort that you're doing what
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 1: you just said that, yeah, and so that's amazing man.
• 2:42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and well that's what I'm really excited about. And
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to mention it a because obviously your
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 2: the biggest podcast in the world, and I just want
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 2: to educate people on it that it's fucking crazy when
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 2: you're buying chocolate and U.
• 2:42:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:42:30
  Speaker 2: I'm really excited though with what we're doing because I
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 2: were essentially with Feastables, building one of the most effective
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 2: like systems for getting kids out of illegal child labor
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 2: in the world. Right by the more cacal we're sourcing,
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 2: the more we're able to pay a living income reference
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 2: price and then audit the farms and then get the
• 2:42:43
  Speaker 2: kids into schools. And it's like it's pretty interesting. Like
• 2:42:45
  Speaker 2: with that village you know right now, you know it
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 2: went there was a ninety percent reduction, went from over
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 2: five hundred kids in illegal child lbor down to fifty.
• 2:42:52
  Speaker 2: And obviously we're not done. We're going to keep over
• 2:42:54
  Speaker 2: time trying to get those fifty out of child labor.
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 2: But now imagine that if we can keep sourcing more cacals,
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 2: we keep growing, and we could keep getting more and
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 2: more kids out of legal child lab and then eventually,
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 2: because you know, I have over a billion followers across
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 2: all my platforms, you know, I can show these case
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 2: studies and then just like you know, Great Big Chocolate
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 2: into switching over because they make billions of dollars a
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 2: year in profit, they don't have to use child labor.
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, and I think step one is
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 2: showing that it's actually possible to not use it, because
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 2: right now, technically there's not really a way you could, like,
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 3: I think what's really important is getting people to understand
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 3: that that's happening exactly, and you talking about it right now.
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 3: Now people will be aware of it, because I think
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 3: the vast majority of people me included were not aware.
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 3: I know, so then they hear the wait, hold on,
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 3: what about this company that I'm buying chocolate from? Are
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 3: they using child labor?
• 2:43:38
  Speaker 2: And then you know, and technically I can never like
• 2:43:41
  Speaker 2: tea stools, I can't say it's childlab free because you know,
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 2: it's not like I have security cameras on the farm.
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 2: A kid could just walk on it and then you know,
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 2: well he lied, right, So I'll you'll be able to
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 2: making We're doing everything we can to make it as
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 2: ethically sourced as possible. And that's why I'm doing these
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 2: case studies where I can literally factually show like people
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 2: not I can on the doors show like without a cause. Obviously,
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 2: I know as I start to talk about this more,
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 2: there's no doubt in my mind they're gonna assume me
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 2: because obviously Big Chocolate doesn't like the idea that people
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 2: are learning that there's so many kids in illegal child labor.
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 2: And because my megaphone's so big, they're gonna want me
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 2: to be quiet. But in a perfect world, they'd hear
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 2: these messages and they would have a soul and be like,
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 2: you're right, we shouldn't make billions of dollars in profit
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 2: off the back of the little kids. Let's just put
• 2:44:19
  Speaker 2: a little bit of the money towards getting the kids
• 2:44:21
  Speaker 2: into school and putting people that you know, aren't kids
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 2: on the farms. And so ideally that's what comes of it.
• 2:44:27
  Speaker 2: We'll see in the long run. But right now, I'm
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 2: just really focused on building these case studies and really
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 2: showing like in depth exactly how they could do it.
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 2: So then hopefully they just come around to you know,
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 2: give them the avenue to go, oh, we just didn't
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 2: know this is cool. Cool, we'll start doing it. I mean, becausethetically,
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 2: there isn't really like all these chocolate companies are so old,
• 2:44:45
  Speaker 2: like technically the people who built and grew it, like
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 2: the founders, they're dead, right, this is third fourth generation people.
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 2: Like some of these people have never built a business
• 2:44:53
  Speaker 2: from ground up. So maybe you could give them a
• 2:44:55
  Speaker 2: little slack and be like, they just don't know any better,
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 2: and it's a problem they don't know how to solve.
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 1: Fuck them they know, I mean, they know they have.
• 2:45:01
  Speaker 2: Trying to be because that world, if we can get
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 2: them all the switch.
• 2:45:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't.
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 3: Maybe force their hand, I mean maybe just making people
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 3: aware of it will help force their hand.
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 2: If I was in the biggest, biggest YouTuber in the world,
• 2:45:12
  Speaker 2: if I were, here's a crazy sentence that I do
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 2: believe to be true. If I stopped caring about this
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 2: issue and did nothing, then the one point five million
• 2:45:19
  Speaker 2: kids in illegal child labor, I guarantee it wouldn't change
• 2:45:21
  Speaker 2: it all. Like it wouldn't change it all in the
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 2: next five ten years. Like who else it's been. Look like,
• 2:45:26
  Speaker 2: look at how many kids are in illegal child labor
• 2:45:28
  Speaker 2: in West Africa on cackl farms. Oh yeah, we're back.
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 2: We're big, chocolate scented an attack.
• 2:45:32
  Speaker 1: We've had this issue.
• 2:45:34
  Speaker 3: But listen, man, it's just another example of that you're
• 2:45:37
  Speaker 3: an awesome guy and the fact that you don't just
• 2:45:40
  Speaker 3: care about money and you really care about doing the
• 2:45:42
  Speaker 3: right thing that you've decided to do this is this
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 3: is another example of why you're great.
• 2:45:46
  Speaker 2: Thank you well, And I want to educate people on that.
• 2:45:48
  Speaker 2: And another thing i'd also I think is a thing
• 2:45:51
  Speaker 2: that people should hear is especially in America. Do you
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 2: know that. I mean, it's probably not gonna surprise you,
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 2: but forty percent of food that's produced in America ends
• 2:45:58
  Speaker 2: up getting thrown away. I have, Yeah, it's and so
• 2:46:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of what we've been doing is working with
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 2: is like working with nonprofits and setting up essentially, like
• 2:46:07
  Speaker 2: you know, so many stores and restaurants just throw away
• 2:46:09
  Speaker 2: perfectly good food or like they'll have things like if
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 2: something's like within a week of being expired, they just
• 2:46:14
  Speaker 2: toss it out because whatever. But it's like it's perfectly edible.
• 2:46:17
  Speaker 2: There's literally nothing wrong with the food. And we've been
• 2:46:19
  Speaker 2: just setting up like many there's a five on one
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 2: se nonprofit called Sharing Access who crushes at this, and
• 2:46:24
  Speaker 2: we've been funding and building like these small logistics hubs,
• 2:46:27
  Speaker 2: like one in New York, you know, and we've been
• 2:46:30
  Speaker 2: through them, and then also our food banks. We've been
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 2: able to distribute over forty million meals to people in
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 2: need across America. And instead of like buying food and
• 2:46:38
  Speaker 2: taking in story and distributed it just taking food that
• 2:46:40
  Speaker 2: would have been thrown away but it's perfectly fine and
• 2:46:42
  Speaker 2: perfectly healthy, and just do you know, figuring out how
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 2: in a couple of days to just get it to
• 2:46:45
  Speaker 2: food drives or people in need. And that's another thing too.
• 2:46:48
  Speaker 2: Illegal child labor and cacal in that are like two
• 2:46:51
  Speaker 2: things that I feel like people should just be aware
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 2: of because it's a very solvable thing, you know what
• 2:46:55
  Speaker 2: I mean. Like if you work at a retailer, I'm
• 2:46:57
  Speaker 2: sure a lot of people here do that throws away
• 2:46:59
  Speaker 2: perfectly good food because or like you know, you never
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 2: they never want to run a risk of something being
• 2:47:03
  Speaker 2: bad on the shelf, so they'll premptively throw it away.
• 2:47:05
  Speaker 2: Just call a local nonprofit and be like, hey, we're
• 2:47:07
  Speaker 2: just every week we tend to throw away food around
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 2: this time, come pick it up like little tweaks. Like
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 2: that is like so simple, but would feed so many
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 2: people need and save us so much money, you know,
• 2:47:16
  Speaker 2: And I feel like it's kind of a no brainer.
• 2:47:18
  Speaker 2: And I've literally seen it in effect, like we're opening
• 2:47:20
  Speaker 2: up another facility that you know, over the next twelve
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 2: months should be able to distribute around ten million pounds
• 2:47:25
  Speaker 2: of food so whatever that is maybe like seven million
• 2:47:27
  Speaker 2: meals And it's like just taking food that would have
• 2:47:29
  Speaker 2: been thrown away, and it's kind of like mind blowing
• 2:47:31
  Speaker 2: that in America, like more people aren't aware of that
• 2:47:34
  Speaker 2: because it's a very solvable thing.
• 2:47:37
  Speaker 3: I think there's so many people that are only concentrating
• 2:47:40
  Speaker 3: on what's going to make the money. And of course
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 3: you know, it's very rare that someone like you thinks
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 3: about greater good and actually.
• 2:47:50
  Speaker 2: But in this case, it doesn't even that. One doesn't
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 2: even cost you money. We're just talking about it instead,
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 2: put it in a truck the afort to well, maybe
• 2:47:58
  Speaker 2: one of you, if you're a Walmart it or I
• 2:48:00
  Speaker 2: don't even know, with some random a store that are
• 2:48:02
  Speaker 2: listening to this, just consider it. Don't throw the food away.
• 2:48:05
  Speaker 1: You're an awesome guy, Jimmy, thank you, Thank you for
• 2:48:07
  Speaker 1: being here. Man. It was really fun. I really appreciate it.
• 2:48:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, gradually we got zombie show.
• 2:48:11
  Speaker 1: We'll do it.
• 2:48:12
  Speaker 2: We're doing it. Yeah, I think we should handle all
• 2:48:14
  Speaker 2: the work and stuff.
• 2:48:15
  Speaker 1: But you gotta think about it some more too.
• 2:48:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna bounce this around because I
• 2:48:19
  Speaker 3: got excited.
• 2:48:20
  Speaker 1: I think there's something to it.
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 2: Next time, next time you see me and Joe together,
• 2:48:23
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be fighting off some zombies.
• 2:48:24
  Speaker 1: All right, sounds good. Thank you, Thank you for having
• 2:48:27
  Speaker 1: my pleasure and thank you. Bye everybody,