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The Uluru Brand Trip · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Australian influencers
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  Speaker 1: on a brand trip to Uluru have been accused of
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  Speaker 1: disrespecting Indigenous sites. Chrissy Teigen resurrects Meghan Markle's disastrous second
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  Speaker 1: season launch and Tammy Hembrough and Bailey Smith make it
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  Speaker 1: Instagram official. But first, Kate, a lot of our listeners
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  Speaker 1: have been joking that Laura Henshaw has put a curse
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  Speaker 1: on you.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I think she's too much of a nice person
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  Speaker 2: to do that. I think I've brought karma on myself
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  Speaker 2: because in our subs episode, we spoke about how terrible
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  Speaker 2: and raspy her voice was because the poor thing was
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  Speaker 2: sick as a dog. I'm not really that sick. I
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  Speaker 2: just sound terrible. Rhys thinks I've got laryngitis.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and you refused to miss out on being on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast. Sophie said she was going to sub herself in,
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  Speaker 1: but you've insisted that you're going to push through.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's some great topics to speak about this week,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm sorry that you have to listen to my
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  Speaker 2: very annoying voice. So April 14th, May, wait, is that
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  Speaker 2: 16 or 18? Oh, no.
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  Speaker 3: John.
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  Speaker 1: Is it Miles?
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  Speaker 2: It's May.
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  Speaker 1: May 16th. Chrissy Teigen has revealed she had to get
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  Speaker 1: a tattoo of her kids' birthdays so she can remember them.
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  Speaker 1: The admission came after she appeared as a guest on
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  Speaker 1: the second series of Meghan Markle's Netflix show, We Love Meghan.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like this was a real highlight for the
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  Speaker 2: show because we are fans of Meghan. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: like to bag her show out because I thoroughly enjoy it,
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  Speaker 2: but it seems to have bombed in the ratings. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't even in the top Netflix shows to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Well, when we were chatting about the show earlier today, Kate,
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  Speaker 1: you said that it's a great show to have on
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  Speaker 1: in the background to fall asleep to.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. I had the best sleep on Friday
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  Speaker 2: night in front of this show. I got my Squishmallow
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  Speaker 2: and a blanket on the couch. I was out for hours.
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  Speaker 2: It was delightful. It kind of reminds me because I
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  Speaker 2: used to love falling asleep in front of, like, Nigella Lawson,
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  Speaker 2: and that's no disrespect to her show. It's about the
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  Speaker 2: atmosphere that it creates.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if that's the intention of We'd
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  Speaker 1: Love Megan for you to fall asleep in front of it.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: But I know what you mean. It's just that wholesome,
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  Speaker 1: like you can have it on in the background and
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  Speaker 1: be doing something else.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I also did a puzzle on Saturday night. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the wild weekend that I had.
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  Speaker 1: Gosh, you really are the target market for this show.
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  Speaker 2: But I think this season they've actually had a lot
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  Speaker 2: better guests. So they had like Jay Shetty, they had
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  Speaker 2: Chrissy Teigen. There were a few that they could have
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  Speaker 2: done without. Like there was this boring old guy at
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  Speaker 2: the end that I had no idea what he was
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  Speaker 2: on about.
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  Speaker 1: Do you notice they actually highlighted some of Megan's mistakes
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  Speaker 1: throughout the show? When they were doing the flower arranging,
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  Speaker 1: she poured water into the vessels and all of the
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  Speaker 1: water flooded the table. And there was another time when
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  Speaker 1: she was making some kind of like fruit roll up
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  Speaker 1: and she couldn't sieve it through. Or were you asleep then?
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  Speaker 2: I actually don't recall the second one. But the weirdest
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  Speaker 2: thing for me is that every time she introduces this
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  Speaker 2: new craft, she's like, oh, We're going to be making soap.
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  Speaker 2: And then she admits it's the first time that she's
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  Speaker 2: ever done it. It's like, well, it's obvious that you've
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  Speaker 2: just been told that you have to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she's a princess. She's hardly making her own soap.
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  Speaker 2: What about when she was making the silk scarves and
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  Speaker 2: she just was like so impressed with everything that she did?
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  Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, they're going to like this. Because she knows.
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  Speaker 1: That most normal people, like if you were given a
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  Speaker 1: gift from Meghan Markle that was handmade, how much would
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  Speaker 1: you treasure that? Even if it was just some like
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  Speaker 1: piece of crap.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love her line is not too shabby. Like
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  Speaker 2: that's not too shabby.
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  Speaker 1: I love it because every time she gets a compliment,
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  Speaker 1: she's so self-assured. She's like, I know, like, yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: is really great.
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  Speaker 2: Or sometimes she hands out the compliment before people have
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  Speaker 2: even had a chance to. In terms of Chrissy Teigen
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  Speaker 2: forgetting her kid's birthdays, this came up when Meghan suggested
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  Speaker 2: that they should make pressed flower jewellery. And she said
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  Speaker 2: that they should use flowers from their children's birth month.
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  Speaker 2: And it sent Chrissy into a bit of a panic
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  Speaker 2: because she's like, oh, hang on. I actually don't know
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  Speaker 2: my kids' birthdays. She then remembered that she has a
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  Speaker 2: tattoo on her arm that lists them all. However, she
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  Speaker 2: needed Megan's help deciphering it because One of the tattoos
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  Speaker 2: was a little bit blurred. She couldn't tell if her
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  Speaker 2: son's birthday was on the 16th or the 18th of May.
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  Speaker 1: But the birthdays were in Roman numerals. So she had
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  Speaker 1: to call out for her husband to try and tell
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  Speaker 1: what Roman numeral it was. That was where the confusion was.
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  Speaker 2: See, I forced Rhys to watch Meghan's show with me.
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  Speaker 2: And he said, God, you can see how powerful Meghan
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  Speaker 2: Markle is that she's got John Legend waiting for his
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  Speaker 2: wife in the room next door.
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  Speaker 1: Although she was like, oh, sorry, had I known I
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  Speaker 1: would have got age here to hang out with you.
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  Speaker 2: Talking about age, Meghan dropped that she had hats made
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  Speaker 2: for Prince Harry's 40th. So they gave them to all
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  Speaker 2: of his friends that attended the party and printed on
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  Speaker 2: the hat was PH40.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: Prince Harry?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So that means his friends call him Prince Harry.
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  Speaker 1: When I hear the word PH, I just think of
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  Speaker 1: like the acidity levels. Wouldn't you feel like a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a wanker walking around with a hat that said
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  Speaker 1: Prince Harry on it?
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if she has one that says DOS, Duchess
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  Speaker 2: of Sausage. I was really surprised to hear Chrissy and
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  Speaker 2: Megan talk about deal or no deal because That's how
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  Speaker 2: they actually met, being briefcase girls on that show. I
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  Speaker 2: thought Meghan might have tried to hide that a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Why did I just get in my head when you
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  Speaker 1: said that briefcase wanker from Inbetweeners? Well, I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was kind of good that Meghan touched on it because
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  Speaker 1: everyone's been talking about it behind her back. Like every
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  Speaker 1: meme of Meghan Markle is her opening the briefcase.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, dress with me.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough and Bailey Smith made it Instagram official on
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  Speaker 1: Friday night, just three weeks after they were busted on
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  Speaker 1: a date on the Gold Coast. The pair confirmed their
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  Speaker 1: romance by sharing an intimate look at their date night.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy posted a photo of Bailey's hand on her leg
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  Speaker 1: as they dined at an exclusive restaurant in Melbourne. The
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  Speaker 1: hard launch has added further fuel to speculation that Tammy
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  Speaker 1: will be walking the red carpet at the Brownlow.
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  Speaker 2: My jaw hit the floor when I saw Tammy's story.
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  Speaker 2: As I mentioned in the Meghan topic, I was a
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  Speaker 2: comatose on the couch in front of that show. And
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  Speaker 2: when I saw the initial snap of the fancy restaurant
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  Speaker 2: go up, I studied it very closely and I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: see any distinguishing features of who she was actually dining with.
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  Speaker 1: Even though it was so obvious it was him.
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  Speaker 2: Well, she's been in Melbourne with her sister. So I
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  Speaker 2: thought maybe it's her sister. Maybe she's just teasing us.
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  Speaker 1: She just so happens to be in Melbourne now every weekend.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she's been in Melbourne more times than she
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  Speaker 1: was when she was dating Matt.
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  Speaker 2: And Melbourne, of course, is his hometown. Thankfully, Tammy didn't
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  Speaker 2: keep us guessing for too long because two hours later,
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  Speaker 2: she shared an updated photo from the table. This time
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  Speaker 2: with the visible hand on her leg. Bailey then kindly
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  Speaker 2: reshared the photo to take any guesswork out of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny because it seemed like some people were confused
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  Speaker 2: in Tammy's comments because she ended up posting photos of
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  Speaker 2: her in that pink dress that she wore on the date.
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  Speaker 2: And people were like, oh, were you out with Matt?
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  Speaker 2: Is it back on? Oh, what? It's like, keep up, people.
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  Speaker 1: Read the Daily Mail, for goodness sake. I love how
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  Speaker 1: it was almost like Tammy was trying to soft launch
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  Speaker 1: this relationship by sharing the stock standard, you know, man's
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  Speaker 1: hand in the photo. Yeah, they'd been kissing in front
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  Speaker 1: of all these diners at a restaurant a few weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: They've been papped out together.
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  Speaker 2: I was wondering how many wines deep they were when
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  Speaker 2: they shared the photo. But when I had a closer look,
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  Speaker 2: Tammy was the only one drinking. She had a glass
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  Speaker 2: of wine in front of her. But Bailey was visibly
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  Speaker 2: double parked on two soft drinks. He is in the
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  Speaker 2: midst of preparing for a finals campaign with Geelong Football Club.
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  Speaker 2: He had the weekend off before his team takes on
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  Speaker 2: Brisbane at the MCG on Friday night. I have a
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  Speaker 2: feeling Tammy will be there.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine Geelong's coach would be thrilled about this
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  Speaker 1: whole relationship.
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  Speaker 2: No, or their supporters if they bomb out of the finals.
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  Speaker 1: It's giving Victoria Beckham vibes when Becks was playing in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the finals and the coach was just like,
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  Speaker 1: for fuck's sake, why is she down at the game?
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  Speaker 1: It's so distracting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if Geelong are out of the finals, all the
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  Speaker 2: supporters are going to play Tammy, aren't they?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Now, this date came just 24 hours after Bailey
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  Speaker 1: made headlines at the AFL Awards. It's funny because I
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  Speaker 1: was out on Thursday night with my best friend and
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  Speaker 1: also Soph. And the TV was on. And Sophie and
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  Speaker 1: our friend Owen was like, oh, is that the Brownlow medal? Like,
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  Speaker 1: is Tammy out there? I'm like, no, the Brownlow medal
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  Speaker 1: is right before the grand final. We haven't even started
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  Speaker 1: finals yet.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say, look, it's Tammy
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  Speaker 2: Hambro's boyfriend on the TV.
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  Speaker 1: But on a more serious note, Bailey bravely spoke about
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  Speaker 1: his mental health battles. And this is while he was
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  Speaker 1: accepting his All-Australian blazer. Let's take a listen to what
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  Speaker 1: he said.
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  Speaker 4: It was about a year ago. I got out of
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  Speaker 4: a psych ward. I was in Epworth, Camberwell for like
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  Speaker 4: four weeks and I got like a couple hours out
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  Speaker 4: a day and I spent that sort of training and
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  Speaker 4: I went through a really dark time and yeah I
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  Speaker 4: didn't think I'd get to I suppose the other side
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  Speaker 4: I know it's just an injury but until you sort
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  Speaker 4: of experience it and have a sense of identity sort
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  Speaker 4: of taken away from you and then sort of go
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  Speaker 4: through you know some teething issues with I don't know
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  Speaker 4: moving clubs and I don't know outside noise and still
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  Speaker 4: trying to just grow up and yeah rehab a knee So, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm super grateful to be, you know, on the other
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  Speaker 4: side of it.
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  Speaker 2: I was absolutely blown away by what he said. It
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  Speaker 2: was incredibly powerful and I think it will help so
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  Speaker 2: many young men out there. I've personally lost a friend
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  Speaker 2: to suicide and he used to play AFL and I
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  Speaker 2: got goosebumps listening to it because it's this type of
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  Speaker 2: honesty and bravery we need. So thank you to Bailey
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  Speaker 2: for sharing this because I think it will save lives.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. His speech was so strong and I think
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  Speaker 1: it was even more powerful because we don't normally see
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  Speaker 1: men Bailey's age or even older men talking about their
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  Speaker 1: emotions like that. And I think it will open the
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  Speaker 1: floodgate for other men out there to have some serious conversations.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't followed Bailey's career too closely, but I've heard
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  Speaker 2: he's this breath of fresh air in the AFL and
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  Speaker 2: he's used to having these sorts of candid conversations. And
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  Speaker 2: on Friday night, I totally understood why he is this
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  Speaker 2: Gen Z pinup because away from his obvious good looks,
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  Speaker 2: he also speaks about these really important topics. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 2: I can understand why Tammy Hembrough is so smitten. And
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  Speaker 2: she gave us an insight into exactly how she was
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  Speaker 2: feeling before her date. So she filmed a fit check
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  Speaker 2: along with a miming session, as she does. So she
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  Speaker 2: was dressed in this slinky pink dress and mimed to
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  Speaker 2: Olivia Dean's song, Man I Need. If the title doesn't
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  Speaker 2: give it away, the song is all about knowing how
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  Speaker 2: you deserve to be loved and not being afraid to
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  Speaker 2: ask for it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Tammy specifically mimed to the lyrics, already gave you
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  Speaker 1: the time and the place. So don't be shy. Just
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  Speaker 1: come be the man I need. Tell me you got
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  Speaker 1: something to give. I want it.
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  Speaker 2: Tammy keeps telling us everything we need to know. one
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  Speaker 2: song at a time. I'm very grateful for that insight.
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  Speaker 2: And it seems like the date went really well because
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  Speaker 2: Influencer Updates AU was reporting that Tammy's Instagram story of
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  Speaker 2: a kangaroo hopping around the next morning was taking in belbray.
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  Speaker 2: which is where Bailey is from. So obviously visiting the family.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder what the family think about it. I saw
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  Speaker 1: this funny video pop up the other day and it
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  Speaker 1: was this boomer dad talking to his daughter. And he
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  Speaker 1: knew all the goss about Bailey Smith and Tammy Hembrough.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't quite know Matt Zukowski by name, but he's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's that girl that recently got a divorce. And it's
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  Speaker 1: just so funny hearing boomers now talking about Tammy Hembrough.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, worlds are colliding here.
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  Speaker 1: Is the AFL suddenly going to experience the Taylor Swift effect?
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  Speaker 1: Are all these new people going to be tuning into
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  Speaker 1: the footy just to spot Tammy there?
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  Speaker 2: Well, to be honest, I've always grown up loving the football,
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  Speaker 2: but in my mid-20s, that interest kind of waned. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I actually want to see if she's
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  Speaker 2: there on the sidelines. Now, one media publication whose interest
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  Speaker 2: has dramatically increased in Tammy Hembrough is The Herald Sun.
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  Speaker 2: And we spoke on Friday about how she had told
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  Speaker 2: The Herald Sun that she was in Melbourne for work
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  Speaker 2: and play. And she wasn't wrong. She's been very busy
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  Speaker 2: on both fronts. So on Thursday night, she attended a
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  Speaker 2: fashion event where she told media that Bailey was a
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  Speaker 2: sweetie and a nice guy. And the following day, she
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  Speaker 2: was at the Chemist Warehouse 2025 Brand Showcase, where she
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  Speaker 2: was promoting her selfish supplements range.
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  Speaker 1: This Chemist Warehouse event was all over my Instagram page.
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  Speaker 1: It looked like an incredible event, but what really caught
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  Speaker 1: my eye was the fact that not only was Tammy there,
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  Speaker 1: but so was Matt Zukowski.
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  Speaker 2: There were so many influences there and from so many
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  Speaker 2: different areas. You had like your reality TV stars, your
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  Speaker 2: AFL players.
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  Speaker 1: Media personalities.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. But I didn't expect to see Matt Sikowsky
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  Speaker 2: there because it was heavily promoted that Tammy's supplement range
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  Speaker 2: was going to have an activation there. It turns out
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  Speaker 2: that their appearance is were coordinated to avoid any awkward run-ins.
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  Speaker 2: So Matt attended the morning session and left by 11.30
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  Speaker 2: and Tammy was at the afternoon session.
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  Speaker 1: I don't blame Matt for leaving before Tammy got there
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  Speaker 1: because her sister Amy was also there. That would have
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  Speaker 1: been super awkward. Yeah. I mean, if I was Matt,
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  Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have shown up at all.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was pretty interesting because he was seen hanging out
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  Speaker 2: with former AFL footballer and Big Brother contestant Dan Gorringe.
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  Speaker 2: And we recently spoke about Dan on Outspoken because He
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  Speaker 2: was the one that created that viral video where he
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  Speaker 2: dissected the serving of gravy in that photo of Tammy
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  Speaker 2: and Bailey making out at a restaurant.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like Dan would have a lot to
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  Speaker 1: say about this relationship with Tammy and Bailey. Now, on
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  Speaker 1: the topic of viral videos, we need to talk about
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  Speaker 1: Paul Aleema's video, Poking Fun at Tammy Hembrough. Now, it
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  Speaker 1: really divided opinions in the Outspoken Facebook community and we
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  Speaker 1: ended up having to delete it because it got reported
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  Speaker 1: a number of times. So for those not familiar with
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  Speaker 1: Paul Alema, he is better known by his handle Alema Amiga.
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  Speaker 1: So he's a former Irish soccer player who creates these skits,
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  Speaker 1: mainly poking fun at influencers as well as content on TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: And he recently cracked the 3 million follower count on Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: And he's got a similar audience on TikTok. I'd say
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  Speaker 1: his skits have a Celeste Barber kind of vibe because
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  Speaker 1: he often imitates something he's seen on social media. There
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  Speaker 1: was a hilarious one he did on Meghan Markle, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that podcast she was on?
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  Speaker 3: Yet, yet.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, so he often takes podcast clips and then he'll
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  Speaker 1: pretend he's in the editing studio listening back to them.
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  Speaker 1: It's absolutely hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he used a similar formula for the Tammy
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  Speaker 2: parody on Friday. So he captioned the video, collecting online
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  Speaker 2: sympathy since 2017. and opened the video by sharing a
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  Speaker 2: snippet from Tammy's recent crying videos. For those who missed it,
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  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, Tammy shared a montage of
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  Speaker 2: videos of her crying during her marriage to Matt Sikowsky.
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  Speaker 2: So after Aleema shared the clips of Tammy crying, the
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  Speaker 2: video cut to him pretending to be Tammy setting up
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  Speaker 2: the crying shots.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so he showed himself sitting on the toilet, fake
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  Speaker 1: crying in front of a camera, which was set up
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  Speaker 1: on a tripod. There was another shot of him in
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  Speaker 1: the car and he asks a friend to pass him
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  Speaker 1: this full-on professional lighting and he starts fake crying into
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  Speaker 1: the camera.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was also this one of him filming his
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  Speaker 2: own hand shaking and he was asked an assistant if
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: he got the shot. There was also this clip at
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: the end in the editing suite. Let's throw to what
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: he said. Yeah, I mean, I think this video should
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: go second. Yeah. Yeah, and then maybe, do you have
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: any music that we could use?
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: I've got this one here.
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: This here?
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this one.
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: Sad enough?
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: Look, this might be an unpopular opinion, but I laughed
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: when I saw this video and I actually thought it
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: was hilarious.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: I have to agree with you, Amy. I laughed out
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: loud when I watched the video and I was a
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: bit surprised by the feedback in our Facebook group because
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: I got tagged by people saying, oh my God, can
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: you delete this? It's so offensive. And I get where
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: people were coming from because it does seem mean to
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: pay Tammy out when she was sharing her true feelings
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: about a difficult situation. But again, when we discuss this
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: on the show, I did find it odd that she
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: had time to set up a camera. She did explain
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: she was actually filming voice messages to her sisters and
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: that's how she managed to organically capture these shots. But
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: I think it's more commentary on influencers in general.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, when I saw the video, I thought,
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: do you know what? He could have actually just made
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: the video and not shown the clips of Tammy at
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: the start crying. Like he could have guessed who it was. Yeah,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: but that's his style. He could have like poked fun
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: at influencers generally filming themselves crying. But I almost feel
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: like because Tammy has now moved on with Bailey Smith,
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: it almost makes it funnier because she's probably laughing at herself.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: I can imagine Tammy sitting down with her sisters and
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: having a bit of a giggle at that. I don't
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: actually think it was meant to be really, really mean.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: It's just meant to be sort of a laugh, as
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: you said, about how crazy it seems for normal people
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: to see influencers filming themselves like that crying.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more commentary on influencer culture in general. I
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: want to know how you feel though, Amy, about the
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: fact that it's come out that Tammy's ex-husband, Matt Sikowski,
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: liked the video alongside her ex-fiance, Matt Poole, and his
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: new partner, Annalise.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: See, even though I find the video funny, I feel
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: like it was a bit of a dog move for
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: them all to like it.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big statement from those three. I think
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: it's in pretty bad taste to publicly like the video. Like,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Go and send it in your group chats. Have a
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: laugh about it.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: I can understand why Matt Zukowski's liked it because he's
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: hurt over the Bailey Smith thing. But for Matt Poole
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: and Annalise, I found that surprising because from an outsider
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: looking in, they seem to be getting on well doing
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: the co-parenting stuff and that casts a shadow of doubt
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: on that friendly relationship that we're meant to think that
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: they have because you think, oh, wow, actually, do they
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: all hate each other?
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Particularly when Tammy has gone out of her way to
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: be respectful to Matt Poole.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: They're almost implying she's the problem. Yeah, that's what they're
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: trying to say. Like when you see all the people
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: liking it that are, you know, former partners of her,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: you're like.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. I also noticed that Bailey Scarlett, who used
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: to date Rhys Hawkins, liked it too. So it seemed
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: like this opportunity for everyone that might have a bit
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: of beef with Tammy to get behind the video.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: So right now I am in Uluru, which I know
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: a lot of you would have seen. There is quite
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: a lot of social media discussion there.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Australian influencers on a brand trip to Uluru have been
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: accused of disrespecting sacred Indigenous sites. The influencers defended their
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: social media posts, saying they were adhering to the trip
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: organiser's strict content approval process. Now, Uluru is a sacred
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: place of deep cultural and spiritual significance to the Arangal people,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: who are its traditional custodians. It is a place on
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: many people's bucket lists, and it's not the first time
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the location has been showcased on a brand trip. Now, Kate,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: can you explain to us who the organisers behind this
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: trip are?
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Well, there's been a bit of confusion about who hosted
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: this influencer trip because the influencers keep tagging the handle
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Explore Uluru on social media. So Explore Uluru is the
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: social media alias for the Ayers Rock Resort, which is
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: a tourism precinct at Yulara. It's made up of a
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: collection of hotels, campgrounds, airports, shops and supporting infrastructure near Uluru. Now,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: the tourism precinct is owned by the Indigenous Land and
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Sea Corporation, which is an Australian government body that helps
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples acquire and manage land
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: and water rights so that they can achieve economic, social,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: cultural and environmental benefits. And the day-to-day operations of the
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: resort are managed by Voyage's Indigenous Tourism Australia.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Now, in terms of how the resort makes money... It's
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: run as a commercial tourism business, not a government funded hotel. However,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: its ownership and financial backing ultimately comes from an Australian
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: government established body, which is the Indigenous Land and Sea Corporation.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: So therefore, the resort is indirectly supported through government created
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: funding mechanisms.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Now, in terms of this trip, a group of mostly
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: white creators were invited to come along. Alyssa Jane, Bella Messina,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Jessica Thorto, Tyra Brooke, Ella Victoria and Lily April Rose attended. Alyssa,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Bella and Jessica are the influencers though who have been
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: receiving the most backlash. So the three women are friends
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: and have gained large social media followings for sharing content
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: centered around motherhood and lifestyle. Alyssa and Jessica are actually
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: both currently pregnant.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Now in terms of the content they shared, it was
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: typical of what you would expect from an influencer brand trip.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: So Before arriving in Uluru, they shared what they had
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: packed for the trip and their time at the airport.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: And upon arrival, they did a room tour and showed
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: off the goodie bags they received.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the following morning, Jessica filmed a Get Ready
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: With Me video and she spoke about how it was
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: a real full circle moment for her because she actually
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: worked at the hotel they were staying at seven years ago.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: She also spoke about what was on the agenda for
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: the day, which included a didgeridoo workshop, bush yarns, a
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: visit to an art gallery and dot painting. Now people
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: were left outraged when the women started sharing content from
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: day one of the trip because rather than sharing about
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: the Indigenous culture they shared fit checks and trending sound
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: videos in front of Uluru.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah there was a lot of backlash over this content
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people questioned why no Indigenous creators
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: were invited on this trip. The influencers also got criticized
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: for not appropriately acknowledging country in their content. And to
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: make matters worse, influencers are accused of blocking First Nations
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: people when they shared their concerns about the brand trip.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Now, influencer Eloise Fitt was one of the first creators
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: to call out the trip in a now-deleted TikTok. A
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Reddit thread was also created by an anonymous First Nations
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: woman who wrote, They've flown a bunch of white women
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: to Uluru to take selfies and make sponsored reels because
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: nothing says respect like turning a sacred site into your
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: personal backdrop. The woman went on to write, Uluru is
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: not your content farm. Respect the mob. Respect the land.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Now, in response to all the backlash, Alyssa Jane revealed
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: that the influencers were briefed by the Anagul media team
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: at the start of the trip about what they could
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: and couldn't post. Now, during this hour-long meeting, she says
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: that they were informed that there was a strict content
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: approval process that they had to adhere to. And she
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: also said that they were told not to include a
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: welcome to country on every post. She went on to
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: claim that the reason they hadn't been able to share
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: more about the trip was because they were waiting on
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: approval and some information they'd been taught they're not allowed
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: to share.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Bella Messina also responded to the criticism. She spoke directly
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: to the camera and tried to demonstrate how much she
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: respects Indigenous culture. This is what she said.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I just want to say I have such deep respect
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: for First Nations culture, and I have shown that for
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: years and years across my social media platforms. I have
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: an acknowledgement to country on my podcast. I have shared
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: lots of Indigenous Australian artwork that I own. I have
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: donated to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander charities. This trip,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: we have done so much consultation directly with our new community.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: We have talked directly to mob and learnt from them
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: and I have shared that on my social media platforms.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: We have also talked to media consultants and the National
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Park team. This has been a deeply educational and beautiful
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: experience but unfortunately to share a lot of the learnings
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: we have there is quite an extensive process. approval process
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: and so that content is being delayed for that reason
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: i have posted some deliverables and some approved content on
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: my stories i've done a tiktok but there is longer
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: content that is still waiting for approval and that is
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: why lots of stuff has not been able to be
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: shared right now because we are trying our hardest to
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: be deeply respectful of this area.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Bella then went on to say that she would continue
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: sharing content from her trip and it would be done
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: so in consultation. She also said it was her job
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: to help amplify the important message on her large platform
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: and it would be a disservice to the elders she
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: had met if she didn't.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Now, as expected, Bella's video attracted further negative commentary and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: she hit back, writing, a reminder as well to people
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: who are making accusations and dogpiling without all the information.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: This is my form of income as a single mother.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Wrongly accusing creators of poor behavior directly impacts my ability
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: to work in the space and therefore impacts whether I
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: can feed and clothe my children. I am all for
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: accountability and free expression of opinion, but it needs to
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: be done from an informed basis.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: The Ayers Rock Resort also responded directly to the criticism.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: In a screenshot shared to Reddit, the resort said that
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: they collaborate regularly with Indigenous creators and communities. However, they
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: sometimes host non-Indigenous creators to help promote Uluru to the
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: broadest audience possible. They went on to confirm that they're
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: actually hosting an all-Indigenous creator trip in October. Wow.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: And I think it's important to say up front that
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: we really can't speak on behalf of the Anangu people.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: And while I was researching the topic, I came across
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: an interesting TikTok by a First Nations creator called Selina.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And she originally posted a TikTok calling Alyssa Jane out
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: for allegedly blocking her for questioning the trip. So in
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: this latest video, Selena spoke about how she ended up
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: deleting her original TikTok after she was gently reminded by
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: a member of the Anangul mob that she shouldn't speak
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: on behalf of a community she isn't from. So while
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Selena is indigenous, she's not part of the Anangul mob
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: who are the traditional custodians of Uluru. So she said
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: she can advocate and amplify their voices, but not speak
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: on their behalf.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she went on to relay the message from
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the Anangu mob that the backlash had gotten out of
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: hand and the issue should be with the brand and
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: not the influencers. According to Selena, the member of the
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: mob said it was not the influencers' fault. They were
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: just invited on the brand trip. In terms of what
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: we can share our opinion on is the organisation of
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: this brand trip from a PR perspective because it seems
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: like they really tried their best with the content approval process.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: They had this strict process in place. But it's ultimately
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: what let them down because the fact that they approved
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: fit checks and trending sound videos to be shared first
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: over videos that centered around Indigenous culture was a massive mistake.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: It really got this brand trip off on the wrong
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: foot and it's had everyone focusing on that. And it
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: seems like this trip has actually been really positive. The
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: influencers have immersed themselves in the culture. They just haven't
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: been able to share those moments yet because they're still
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: being approved. So I think if the approval process was
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: always going to be this lengthy, then they should have
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: told influencers to bank up content and then share it
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: after the trip to avoid any offense.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: It's really unfortunate because it seems like the brand may
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: have been trying to do the right thing by putting
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: this approval process in place. It sounds like they wanted
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: to be really sensitive about the content they shared, but
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: it's actually backfired because they haven't been able to share
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the content, which actually best represents this trip.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Well, that's where we're going to leave things today. If
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: you do enjoy the podcast and want to hear more
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: from us, we drop a subscriber-only episode every Thursday. If
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• 26:02
  Speaker 2: are in our show notes. This podcast was recorded on
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: the traditional land of the Kaurna people of the Adelaide Plains.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: We pay respect to elders past and present.