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The Top 25 Moments Of 2025: Moments 18-13 · Billy & Lisa in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Now that's to Billy and Lisa's top twenty five moments
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  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five kids. What do we so?
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  Speaker 2: Lisa? Every morning, pretty much on the show, we deal
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  Speaker 2: with topics.
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  Speaker 3: We like to call them discussions or conversations. Sometimes they're weird,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes they're crazy.
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  Speaker 4: It's topic time.
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  Speaker 2: It's exactly.
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  Speaker 4: It can go sideways.
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  Speaker 3: And this particular morning we were talking about I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how we landed on this topic, but the biggest
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  Speaker 3: lies you've told as a parent, or your parent has
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  Speaker 3: told you.
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  Speaker 5: There were so many ones. My parents were the biggest liars.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I think we've all been.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you come to realize, Wait a minute, they were
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  Speaker 3: lying to me a lot number eighteen.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, this only has to do with you.
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  Speaker 7: And you used to come in and say that you
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  Speaker 7: would tell your children when they were at the circus
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  Speaker 7: with you that during intermission that the show was over.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yes, I remember this, now come on, it's over.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have no idea.
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  Speaker 3: Think I use this everything from Disney on ice to
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  Speaker 3: the rodeo to the circus, any of those events.
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  Speaker 2: When intermission came and the lights went on, I would say,
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  Speaker 2: come on, we gotta go.
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  Speaker 3: We get to eat the crowd, and I said, we
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  Speaker 3: can grab a souvenir before they run out. On the
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  Speaker 3: way out, you know, I'd definitely take them in the store,
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  Speaker 3: grabbed the souvenir. I said, come on, we'll never get
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  Speaker 3: out of the parking lot.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get a hurt. They never knew, Yeah, never knew,
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  Speaker 2: never knew that it was only half.
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  Speaker 4: There was a second half.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good one.
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  Speaker 5: I think one of the first events that I took
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  Speaker 5: my son to when he was probably two or three,
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  Speaker 5: was I think Disney on Ice. Yeah, and you told
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  Speaker 5: me that before we went. He has a hot tip.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because nothing's going to change in the second half.
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  Speaker 3: It's just more people skating around and animals skating around.
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  Speaker 5: That's true. Oh God, so many lives.
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  Speaker 2: The circus stays the same second half.
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  Speaker 5: I saw reel over the weekend and it was all
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  Speaker 5: the lies your parents told you, and I checked every
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  Speaker 5: single box. I believe all these were true.
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  Speaker 8: My parents, when we were young used to tell us
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  Speaker 8: when they were eating lobsters that they were eating bugs,
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  Speaker 8: so we wouldn't want them.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's creative.
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  Speaker 5: Well aren't they kind of like bugs the sea?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, they're not the bugs.
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  Speaker 4: Of the sea. But I know what you're saying.
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  Speaker 5: No, they used to be a long time ago. They were.
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  Speaker 5: They were, They weren't a delicacy. They were given to
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  Speaker 5: people in prison. Prison, and then the galleys rowing the ships. Yes,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the slaves.
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  Speaker 3: For lack of a better word, they would give them lobster,
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  Speaker 3: and then lobster became.
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  Speaker 4: They're scavengers basically.
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  Speaker 3: What it is now. Yeah, they are scavengers. Just keep
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  Speaker 3: in mind when you're having the lobster. Everything they eat
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  Speaker 3: is off the is off the bottom. Yes, they're bottom feet.
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  Speaker 2: They are.
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  Speaker 5: They expense it's odd when you think of it, expensive.
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  Speaker 2: Body, and they keep getting more and more expensive. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: My mom always said that if you had the shower
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  Speaker 7: on while it was thundering and lightning out.
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  Speaker 9: That you would get struck by lightning.
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  Speaker 7: So I, still eight years old, will not take a
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  Speaker 7: shower if there's a storm.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, my parents should tell me that one.
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  Speaker 5: I never heard that one. Yeah, and the pool was
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  Speaker 5: a big one using water right wait, yeah, wasting the
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  Speaker 5: water away?
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  Speaker 2: What are you doing in Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: You guys remember that.
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  Speaker 10: When we were younger, they would say, if you had
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  Speaker 10: a dream and you died in your dream that you
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  Speaker 10: would die in real life.
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  Speaker 5: I think I remember that, but I think it was
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  Speaker 5: other kids that told me that, not my parents. That's
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  Speaker 5: a little morbid for your parents to tell you, you know.
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  Speaker 5: But one of them was about coffee, that if you
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  Speaker 5: drink coffee as a kid, it will stunt your growth.
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  Speaker 1: As a parent, I still use the coffee will stunt
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  Speaker 1: your growth.
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  Speaker 10: My toddler's always trying to take a sip in my coffee,
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  Speaker 10: and I told him he'd shrink down like ant man
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  Speaker 10: if he.
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  Speaker 11: Takes a sip in my coffee, and he still believes it.
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  Speaker 5: It's so crazy, like we teach our kids not to lie,
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  Speaker 5: but then we kind of tell them lies.
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  Speaker 3: And there were so many more. I'm racking my brain
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  Speaker 3: that my parents would tell me. A lot of them
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  Speaker 3: related to a school or I mean, there are so many.
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  Speaker 12: So I love dogs, my dad doesn't. And a big
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  Speaker 12: lie he would tell me when I was a kid,
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  Speaker 12: is dead while I pet a dog. If I get
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  Speaker 12: the eye booger of a dog and then rub it,
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  Speaker 12: then rub my eyes, I would see black and white forever,
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  Speaker 12: or I would get like blind.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a big lie.
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  Speaker 5: See, now we're just just completely making stuff up here.
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  Speaker 2: I've never heard anything even resembling that one. Never heard that.
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  Speaker 5: There was one of the lists about sneezing with your
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  Speaker 5: eyes open, and I kind of was speculating, I don't
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  Speaker 5: think you can sneeze with your eyes open.
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  Speaker 4: I actually learned this in the college class ones.
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  Speaker 10: You physically can't sneeze with your eyes open because it's
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  Speaker 10: a reflex that your eyes automatically close.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe that.
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  Speaker 8: Well.
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  Speaker 3: I always was told that your heart skips a beat
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  Speaker 3: when you sneeze that way, and I have sneezing jags
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  Speaker 3: in the morning, so you know, my.
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  Speaker 4: Heart skips a beat just regularly.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have like an a rhythm.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't there a song my heart skips? There is?
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  Speaker 5: I think I have the same thing, but there's a
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  Speaker 5: name for it.
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  Speaker 2: Really.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, because I had an e KG, they thought something
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  Speaker 5: was wrong and they said it was that, and.
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  Speaker 4: They said, it's no big deal, it's not Yeah, it's fine.
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  Speaker 2: What pill. No, wasn't there something about warts frogs? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: They came from frogs.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, frogs.
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  Speaker 8: I used to have actually a reoccurring nightmare about swallowing
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  Speaker 8: a watermelon seed and being rushed into the hospital because
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  Speaker 8: my stomach was going to explode from the watermelon road
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  Speaker 8: in my stomach.
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  Speaker 5: I'm telling you, I was full of fear as a
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  Speaker 5: kid when I heard these things. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Mine was swallowing gum, like never swallow gum.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah that it was really bad for you. Just sits
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  Speaker 5: and the more that you you swallowed, the more would
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  Speaker 5: pile up.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and we found proof to the contrary, right with
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  Speaker 3: the gum swallowing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a few days. It's a few days that
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  Speaker 5: sits in your stomach and then it passes through.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning crew.
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  Speaker 10: This is not one that was told to me, but
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  Speaker 10: something that I used to tell my kids. I would
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  Speaker 10: tell them when we were at the beach if they
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  Speaker 10: found a sand dollar and we put it on the
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  Speaker 10: dashboard of the car, it would turned into a real dollar.
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  Speaker 4: Kept them busy forever, and it only cost me a
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  Speaker 4: few bucks.
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  Speaker 2: Have a good day, I walk the beach.
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  Speaker 5: Let's go to Selene. I think she's back online.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Selene, Hi, good morning. Hey we got you. Give
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  Speaker 2: us a good one.
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  Speaker 7: So when I was little, I was told if you
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  Speaker 7: pick your nose and ate year boogers, it would make
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  Speaker 7: worms grow in.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I never heard that one, but.
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  Speaker 4: So gross?
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  Speaker 5: Oh really?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, what's he doing now?
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  Speaker 2: Is in the hospital getting a worm removed?
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  Speaker 5: Chrissy's online one and Canton, Chrissy, you're on the air.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Chrissy, Chrissy.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Christy is not on the air. Okay, Let's
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  Speaker 5: go to Nina in Weymouth. Line three. All right, we'll
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  Speaker 5: try that one, line three.
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  Speaker 2: Nina you there. Okay, we're having trouble.
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  Speaker 5: With the phones. Yeah, what's the deal with the phones today?
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  Speaker 5: That's weird.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't do anything because something else might happen.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, we won't, we won't.
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  Speaker 9: I remember when we wouldn't finish all the food on
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  Speaker 9: our plate at dinner time. Our parents would always say,
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  Speaker 9: you have to eat all of your food. There's children
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  Speaker 9: starving in Africa, and thinking about it today, I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 9: what was were you supposed to do? Send them what
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  Speaker 9: we didn't finish.
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  Speaker 7: I still my parents say, that's that's me my kids. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 7: it's about wasting food, it's having right, that was sort
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  Speaker 7: of the moral.
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  Speaker 3: Of but they wanted to guilt you, right, young children
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  Speaker 3: are starving in Africa.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to eat those carrots.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Meanwhile, you know, unfortunately there's starving kids everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: Really it's about food wasting.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, anybody hear the one that if you ate food
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  Speaker 8: directly from can, like canned soup or canned beans.
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  Speaker 2: That you would get lockjaw and not be able to
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  Speaker 2: open your mouth.
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  Speaker 4: That's a new one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a new one on me because most of
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  Speaker 3: what we ate came out of a can.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, true, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: True, Morning Morning Show. I think you're forgetting that. A
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  Speaker 4: lot of our children are listening to you guys on
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  Speaker 4: buses and on car drives to school. So thanks for
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  Speaker 4: blowing our cover.
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  Speaker 5: Oh I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Now that's a Billy Unlesa's top twenty five moments of
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five on kids.
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  Speaker 2: What do we Okay?
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  Speaker 3: So we do it every year, Lease, we count down
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  Speaker 3: what we thought were the twenty five standout moments of
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  Speaker 3: the Billy and Lisa Morning Show. I love this particular
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  Speaker 3: morning we're going to talk about because John Taffer is
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  Speaker 3: from Bar Rescue and I'm a big fan of the show.
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  Speaker 2: I am too, and I'm a big fan.
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  Speaker 7: Of his exactly, and he came in he's celebrating his
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  Speaker 7: new Brown Butter bourbon.
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  Speaker 4: But told some really funny stories.
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  Speaker 2: Number seventeen. What do you come here to do everything?
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  Speaker 2: Because this can't be your result, This can't be you
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  Speaker 2: what your best? Please tell me, just like you know
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  Speaker 2: what your best John, But this is you at your best, Billy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing my best. But man, you are larger than life.
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  Speaker 3: As they say, Bar Rescue is such such a good show.
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  Speaker 2: We have another clip.
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  Speaker 4: For you, z alsoon from Attleborough.
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  Speaker 2: And this isn't a question, but I just want to
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  Speaker 2: say that.
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  Speaker 9: During the pandemic, I would watch hours upon hours of
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  Speaker 9: bar Rescue every single day, and so I just want
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  Speaker 9: to thank.
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  Speaker 4: John for bringing me a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Of joy and those crazy days of isolation.
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  Speaker 3: Gianna, you were watching it with your boyfriend Drake last
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  Speaker 3: night and you said to John, you called the show something.
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  Speaker 4: Our comfort show. His name is Jake by the Love
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  Speaker 4: for show, It's our comfort show.
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  Speaker 7: He put it on last night without even knowing that
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  Speaker 7: you were coming in this morning.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 13: So he was flabbergasted when.
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  Speaker 2: I told her you you were set up for today.
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  Speaker 2: I was set up for today, John. It's always good
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  Speaker 2: to see. It was a two years ago already, But you.
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  Speaker 14: Were last year, Billy. It's been a crazy year for me,
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  Speaker 14: but it's always good to see you, my friend.
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  Speaker 3: This is great John. By the way, he's back in Boston.
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  Speaker 3: He's celebrating his new bourbon brown up butter Bourbon.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, you happen to bring anyway.
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  Speaker 14: We did it, of course, see you without come on,
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  Speaker 14: it's bourbon time on the Billy and leads the show.
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  Speaker 3: I got to tell you, watching the show makes me
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  Speaker 3: dizzy because I can't even imagine how much production goes.
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  Speaker 2: Into bar rescue. Yeah, you know, I was.
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  Speaker 14: I was mentioning briefly to you earlier that you know,
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  Speaker 14: we traveled the crew of about fifty seven and so
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  Speaker 14: it's five trucks.
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  Speaker 2: When we go to a city.
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  Speaker 14: We have to do three bars in each city to
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  Speaker 14: make the economics worth because it's so expensive to bring
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  Speaker 14: everybody in. Once we do that first night, I show
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  Speaker 14: up at about six o'clock at night. I get it
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  Speaker 14: literally about a sixty second briefing. This is John and
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  Speaker 14: George are in debt, this amount, they're ready to kill
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  Speaker 14: each other. Blah blah blah, they're losing such amount of money.
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  Speaker 14: I go in and do recon. I don't know what's
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  Speaker 14: going to happen. Till I go in there. Billy, I've
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  Speaker 14: never met these people. I've never been in this placement.
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  Speaker 14: Some of them's all real. Yeah, so it's all real.
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  Speaker 14: I'm not ahead of you, and I think that's why
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  Speaker 14: I bar the rest of your successful I'm finding it
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  Speaker 14: out when you're finding so when recon ends. What people
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  Speaker 14: don't know is I take all the employees, I put
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  Speaker 14: them all in vans in the parking lot, and I
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  Speaker 14: designed the bar that night. So I'm given the demographic report,
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  Speaker 14: a competitive report. I look at my verticals, my horizontals.
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  Speaker 14: I don't know how many sports bars are in the area,
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  Speaker 14: how many this or in that area, how many of
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  Speaker 14: that in your era? So I come up with the
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  Speaker 14: concept that night. The next morning, when we show up,
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  Speaker 14: what you see on television is training and stress tests.
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  Speaker 2: On day two.
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  Speaker 14: What you don't see is we're approving the barstools, the
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  Speaker 14: wallpapers were putting together today. You've got to work with
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  Speaker 14: interior designers.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of everything. Nothing happens that I'm
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  Speaker 2: unaware of. Do you have your own interior designers that
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  Speaker 2: trouble with you.
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  Speaker 15: I do.
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  Speaker 14: I have a designer we call an art director, and
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  Speaker 14: I have a production team of about twelve just in
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  Speaker 14: the art department for remodel. So then what will happen
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  Speaker 14: is at the end of day too. All the logos
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  Speaker 14: are the signed companies, the recipe is in the food
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  Speaker 14: orders and the beverage orders, the furniture's ordered.
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  Speaker 2: Here's a little secret.
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  Speaker 14: If you look at Bar Rescue, the bar stools almost
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  Speaker 14: never match because when you need sixty bar stools overnight,
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  Speaker 14: you can only get twelve of this, six of these,
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  Speaker 14: nine of those, you can't get sixty at the same game.
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  Speaker 14: Look at the episodes, you'll see I try to put
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  Speaker 14: the yellow ones on one side and the green on
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  Speaker 14: the other, or mix them up.
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  Speaker 2: I try to make it make sense.
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  Speaker 14: But when you're remodeling it and that quickly, you deal
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  Speaker 14: with what you get. So at the end of stress test,
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  Speaker 14: everybody goes home, they're not allowed to come back to
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  Speaker 14: the bar, and we start construction. So we build it
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  Speaker 14: the night of day two all day day three. That's
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  Speaker 14: why we train off site Billy, because we're building it
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  Speaker 14: on site, So we train them at another location and
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  Speaker 14: then the fourth day, that afternoon we reveal it to them.
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  Speaker 14: So we do build it in thirty six hours and
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  Speaker 14: what you see in bar Rescue is pretty much day one,
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  Speaker 14: day two, day three, day four, as it happens.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the deal.
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  Speaker 3: You also have to play the part of a family
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  Speaker 3: therapist alive because I've watched a lot of episodes and
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  Speaker 3: it seems like the family owned restaurants or bars or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: It seems like most of the families have one failed
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  Speaker 3: member that's just screwing up the whole thing, and you've
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  Speaker 3: got to sit down with that person, sit down with
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  Speaker 3: the family, make it all work. And a lot of
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  Speaker 3: times you'll give the failed member more responsibilities, but you
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  Speaker 3: have to make sure that everybody's on board with that.
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  Speaker 14: Well, you know, when somebody isn't caring and not working,
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  Speaker 14: it could be a lot of reasons, and I believe
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  Speaker 14: I need to find the primal reason. What is the
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  Speaker 14: primal instinct that's causing them to shut down. It could
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  Speaker 14: be lack of pride. It could be that somebody is
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  Speaker 14: stifling them. Yeah, could be they don't have confident. What
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  Speaker 14: the heck is it that's causing them to do that? Yeah,
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  Speaker 14: I got to figure that out, and I got no
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  Speaker 14: time to do it. So that's the trick. Once I
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  Speaker 14: find out what it is that's causing them to do it.
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  Speaker 14: Lack of motivation because he felt unimportant, made him feel important.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever had to fire a family member? Oh? Absolutely?
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  Speaker 14: And you know what I tell family is, you know,
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  Speaker 14: in the business, you're not a family, You're a team.
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  Speaker 14: You see, families protect each other in weakness. Little Johnny's trying.
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  Speaker 14: They have little Johnny at break Little Johnny doesn't feel
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  Speaker 14: good today.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that's a family. You protect each other weakness. That's
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  Speaker 2: exactly what you don't want in a business.
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  Speaker 14: So I say, be a family outside inside, be a team.
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  Speaker 14: If you strike out, you get benched, right, Billy, Yeah, sure,
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  Speaker 14: big difference than a family. Yeah, Okay.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: If you were to think of all the places you've
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: done and revamped and everything in families and bar owners
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: that you've met and spent time with, is there one
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: that stands out that whenever you're hanging out with somebody
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: at a bar having some of your brown butter bourbon,
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: that you say, you won't believe the worst thing that
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: ever happened to me, the worst place I had to do.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: Is there one?
• 14:43
  Speaker 14: Yeah, there's one that always strikes me as the most powerful,
• 14:46
  Speaker 14: you know, spirits on Bourbon is a very successful rescue.
• 14:50
  Speaker 14: They made millions and millions of dollars. It's a great story,
• 14:53
  Speaker 14: but it's not a family. It's two partners. There was
• 14:56
  Speaker 14: a family in South Carolina. They owned a bar called Characters.
• 14:59
  Speaker 14: You might remember with this one. And in Characters, they
• 15:02
  Speaker 14: had their whole staff in like the most ridiculous Halloween
• 15:08
  Speaker 14: style costumes. In one of them was Marilyn Monroe and
• 15:11
  Speaker 14: others Burt Reynolds and and we're just so tacky and awful.
• 15:16
  Speaker 14: And there was a daughter who cried all day every
• 15:18
  Speaker 14: day because her brother just beat the hell out of
• 15:21
  Speaker 14: her because she couldn't do anything right, and the parents
• 15:24
  Speaker 14: were stuck in this awful situation. That was Charlie a
• 15:27
  Speaker 14: Helen guy remember Andrea, Yes, and Alexander was their last name.
• 15:33
  Speaker 14: And I put in moon Runners based on the original
• 15:37
  Speaker 14: days of Moonshine. Oh yeah, they would go and they
• 15:41
  Speaker 14: would do it during the darkness of the moon is
• 15:42
  Speaker 14: when they would bring the moonshine down the mountain and stuff.
• 15:44
  Speaker 14: We put it together, and we and we fixed the
• 15:47
  Speaker 14: family along the process.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: And the daughter's life dramatically changed.
• 15:52
  Speaker 14: The brother respected the daughter, the parents were just enthralled
• 15:56
  Speaker 14: by the entire thing. Now I can tell them, I
• 15:58
  Speaker 14: communicate with them off and they just opened two new
• 16:01
  Speaker 14: locations at the same time. Good for them, and they're
• 16:03
  Speaker 14: doing terrific. And when you fix a family, Billy, it
• 16:07
  Speaker 14: feels so good. I mean the bricks and mortar building
• 16:10
  Speaker 14: a bar. Ayeah, that's great. But that's not why I
• 16:12
  Speaker 14: do it. Yeah, you know, I do it because I
• 16:14
  Speaker 14: want to look in their eyes and feel like I
• 16:15
  Speaker 14: made a difference to somebody or some family.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: And that's really a powerful thing to that.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: Well, the minute we said you were going to have
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: you on, we've been getting talkbacks and we've been getting calls.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: People want to talk to John Taffer. We get some
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: right here.
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: Hi, John, big fan of yours.
• 16:28
  Speaker 8: Your show is always on at my house every Sunday.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: You're yelling, brings me joy. I have a question for you.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: What would you say the grossest thing you've ever seen
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: an employee do before? Thanks? Oh oh boy. There's a
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: couple I want to be. There's a clean show.
• 16:45
  Speaker 14: But I found a used piece of sexual apparatus behind
• 16:48
  Speaker 14: the bar once.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: That was a shocker.
• 16:52
  Speaker 14: I went in to do recon in the bar in Austin, Texas,
• 16:55
  Speaker 14: called headhunters, and I did recon with my wife and
• 16:59
  Speaker 14: she was wearing open toe heels and the cockroaches were walking.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Across our feet on her. And we had a shut
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: down production. It had a Class five infestation.
• 17:09
  Speaker 14: We had to shut down production, tempt the building fumigated
• 17:13
  Speaker 14: or you know, fog it out and then go back in.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: And it was a class five infestation. It was unbelievable.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: And now you've got to deal with the town and
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: with permitting, and you've got to clean it up and
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: have it reinspected.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 17:25
  Speaker 14: And we have a production schedule, and now we're behind
• 17:26
  Speaker 14: in schedule, so the next bar has to push back
• 17:28
  Speaker 14: two weeks and then but you know, that was a
• 17:30
  Speaker 14: pretty disgusting one.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: You know, what you do is another one. We can't
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: back and have some brown butter bourbon. That's what I shouldn't.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Well, you're not going to drink that, are you. He
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: opened the bottle gianna. He can't drink that on the air.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: He gets drunk on one step. Okay, there we go,
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: we go.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, Oh he's doing it.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: Oh we're doomed.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Stuff delicious, right.
• 17:53
  Speaker 10: Oh.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: It almost made me swear on the air for the
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: first time man got some color in your face, now, bro.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Now back to Billy and Lisa's Top twenty five moments
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five on Kiss one O eight.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: So it's kinking about Halloween tradition on the Billy and
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Lisa Morning Show. And Halloween comes around, we have Maureene
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Hancock him in the.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Studio right exactly.
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: She connects with spirits and people that you want to
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: reconnect with you've died.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: So Maureen came in right.
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: Before Halloween, and I have to tell you this time around,
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: it was like out of this world.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: How like spot On she was You're scary.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: I think I got the most chills of any segment
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: during this one right here.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Number sixteen, Let's go.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: To Tracy on the phone from Boston. Tracy say hi
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: to Maureen.
• 18:40
  Speaker 13: Hi Tracy, Maureen, Hi, who are you hoping to hear from?
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 18:43
  Speaker 16: You have a lot of dead people. It's like the
• 18:45
  Speaker 16: Verizon commercial.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: I have a lot.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I have a lot too.
• 18:50
  Speaker 16: So so you said your cousin Shirley, I can't hear
• 18:54
  Speaker 16: you that, Okay, So you know you say Shirley, but
• 18:58
  Speaker 16: all of these other people are coming through and maybe
• 19:01
  Speaker 16: an aunt that passed. And then was anybody like a
• 19:05
  Speaker 16: big bowler, like candlepins for cash?
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: Oh boy, yeah, my my my grandfather Charlie.
• 19:13
  Speaker 16: Wow, like big time on the leagues and all this,
• 19:16
  Speaker 16: And because I definitely, yeah, he was like a champion.
• 19:21
  Speaker 13: He had like trophies, right, yes he did, yes.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 19:27
  Speaker 16: Yeah, he just bowling trophies, right, don't laugh. But he
• 19:31
  Speaker 16: came in just because you know, it's been a very
• 19:33
  Speaker 16: long time obviously. And then where does the breast cancer
• 19:37
  Speaker 16: or female cancer connection come in.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: My cousin Shirley I just mentioned, passed away from breast
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: cancer and our grandmother, my grandmother, also had breast cancer.
• 19:49
  Speaker 16: But she survived, so surely I was begging her, like
• 19:52
  Speaker 16: in my head, I was like, surely, come on, come up,
• 19:54
  Speaker 16: step up.
• 19:55
  Speaker 13: To the plate.
• 19:56
  Speaker 16: And then I heard bring up breast cancer. So she's
• 19:59
  Speaker 16: trying to let you know absolutely she's here. You've definitely
• 20:03
  Speaker 16: had visits from her, and lots of like pennies and
• 20:07
  Speaker 16: dimes too. They drop look at the dates too, because
• 20:10
  Speaker 16: they often mean something. But she just wants to make
• 20:13
  Speaker 16: sure that everyone knows she's like, I'm fine, and she
• 20:16
  Speaker 16: never complained and she didn't tell people how.
• 20:18
  Speaker 13: Bad it was right.
• 20:21
  Speaker 12: Yeah, that's right, yep.
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: Oh my god.
• 20:23
  Speaker 16: She's like, I'm fine, never mind about me, I'm fine.
• 20:26
  Speaker 16: So lots of love from the heavens above.
• 20:28
  Speaker 13: Thank you, So.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: You're saying, Maureen, when the spirits visit, they drop coins.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Sometimes they do.
• 20:35
  Speaker 16: Now, my nephew, who passed tragically at nineteen started leaving
• 20:40
  Speaker 16: nineteen eighty four pennies and dimes, and that's the year
• 20:42
  Speaker 16: of his birth. So I work with cancer children, and
• 20:46
  Speaker 16: when i'd be going into children's hospital, there'd be if
• 20:49
  Speaker 16: there was a child getting ready to go to heaven,
• 20:52
  Speaker 16: there'd be a dime on my seat and I'd be like,
• 20:54
  Speaker 16: no way, is this.
• 20:55
  Speaker 13: Nineteen eighty four.
• 20:57
  Speaker 16: Flip it over at nineteen eighty four, Like, so, I'm
• 20:59
  Speaker 16: just as surprised as you are.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, let's go to Kim. She's in taunt and
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Kim say good morning to Maureene and God.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Good morning Maureen.
• 21:09
  Speaker 13: Hi Kim. Who are you hoping to hear from?
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I was hoping to hear from my mom?
• 21:14
  Speaker 16: Okay, oh, you have a good gang in the heavens above.
• 21:18
  Speaker 16: Two because everyone came in and her mother is past. Yes, yeah,
• 21:24
  Speaker 16: it's probably a given, but she couldn't believe she saw
• 21:27
  Speaker 16: her mom and her did her.
• 21:28
  Speaker 13: Dad go before her mom?
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 21:31
  Speaker 13: Many years right?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Not No, I think within like a year. Oh jeez.
• 21:39
  Speaker 16: Okay, So she's just shown me the lineup of who
• 21:41
  Speaker 16: was there first and then her mother and then she
• 21:43
  Speaker 16: saw her.
• 21:44
  Speaker 13: And just yes and no she had illness.
• 21:47
  Speaker 16: Yes, yes, your mom, just because she's saying, stop picturing
• 21:51
  Speaker 16: me sick. I don't want you to picture me sick.
• 21:53
  Speaker 16: And then do you have two kids?
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: I have three, but I do biological to what adopted.
• 22:02
  Speaker 16: So she and she watches over all these kids and
• 22:05
  Speaker 16: someone is Chris or cook cook cut. I keep getting
• 22:08
  Speaker 16: that Sierra can go ahead.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: The Christian.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: You know that's my oldest son.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 22:13
  Speaker 16: So she's gonna she's talking about your kids, and she's
• 22:15
  Speaker 16: pointing him out because she's trying, really trying to like
• 22:19
  Speaker 16: help him.
• 22:20
  Speaker 13: She just said, he's.
• 22:20
  Speaker 16: Smarter than they the teachers give him credit for smarter
• 22:23
  Speaker 16: than they know. So he's an old soul you know that, right?
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yes, you too, yep.
• 22:31
  Speaker 16: So your mom she's very factual, like I'm here, you
• 22:35
  Speaker 16: don't need a medium, save your money.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: So listen.
• 22:40
  Speaker 13: Lots of love from the heavens above, Thank you, thank you.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Take care.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Kristin now in Derry, New Hampshire, Christian
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: say hi to Maureen.
• 22:50
  Speaker 13: Hi, Maureene, Hi, Kristin. Who are you hoping to hear from.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: My mom?
• 22:55
  Speaker 13: Oh? So is your mom kind of private?
• 23:00
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 23:01
  Speaker 13: So she's very strong.
• 23:02
  Speaker 16: But she literally said, really, Kristen on the radio, I can't.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: She just can't.
• 23:08
  Speaker 13: So but I love like she's kind of.
• 23:10
  Speaker 16: A wise guy gal as well. And then I heard
• 23:17
  Speaker 16: don't picture me sick? And also, what's the Florida connection
• 23:22
  Speaker 16: or down south?
• 23:25
  Speaker 14: She always wanted to move down south?
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Oh wow?
• 23:28
  Speaker 16: But I feel like too, like someone's going to ask
• 23:31
  Speaker 16: you to go because Florida is coming up big time
• 23:34
  Speaker 16: and you know, possibly February and March. Oh she's saying,
• 23:37
  Speaker 16: you need to bring Mariene Hancock with you, right, I'm
• 23:42
  Speaker 16: just kidding.
• 23:43
  Speaker 13: But see she doesn't.
• 23:44
  Speaker 16: She's literally like, I'm here, you need to trust it.
• 23:48
  Speaker 16: I do feel like she had illness. Did she have
• 23:50
  Speaker 16: trouble like breathing, coughing?
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: I'm not really sure she passed suddenly from a drug overdose.
• 23:58
  Speaker 16: Oh okay, so possibly I just kept getting like like
• 24:03
  Speaker 16: I couldn't breathe and that kind of thing. But you
• 24:06
  Speaker 16: know what, I have to go to your grandmother as well,
• 24:09
  Speaker 16: and someone's like Mary Margaret.
• 24:12
  Speaker 13: I know, what's a common name, but I keep hearing
• 24:14
  Speaker 13: the m Do you know.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: My mom's name is Margaret?
• 24:18
  Speaker 13: Your mom is Margaret.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 24:20
  Speaker 16: So she's trying to make things up to you. So
• 24:23
  Speaker 16: please know that, like she you signed up for a
• 24:26
  Speaker 16: heavy life contract. You know that, and you are a survivor,
• 24:31
  Speaker 16: and she is so proud of you. So take that
• 24:33
  Speaker 16: right into your heart and lots of love from the
• 24:35
  Speaker 16: heavens above.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's take another call. You want to do a
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: couple of talk back shows?
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Just they've got so many. Let's do one more call?
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: All right, Alice, final call, Say hello to Marien.
• 24:50
  Speaker 16: Hilease one eight hundred collect call from heaven.
• 24:54
  Speaker 13: Who are you hoping to hear from?
• 24:57
  Speaker 17: My dad?
• 24:58
  Speaker 13: Okay? So wow? So who had?
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: So?
• 25:02
  Speaker 16: I just saw an antique car or he pulled up
• 25:05
  Speaker 16: in one and did anyone have like a corvette?
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: My dad said that he was like a teenager.
• 25:15
  Speaker 13: Well, you know, sometimes they'll come through young like look
• 25:18
  Speaker 13: at me, look at me. You know, I'm young again?
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: And find got the corvette?
• 25:22
  Speaker 16: And he got the Corvette, so it's an upgrade. But wow,
• 25:26
  Speaker 16: and so he's he's definitely strong. He just said he
• 25:29
  Speaker 16: went downhill very quickly. Do you understand that? Yeah, he
• 25:34
  Speaker 16: just said, I can't believe this happened. Like he's just
• 25:37
  Speaker 16: all about family and new kids. And where does the
• 25:40
  Speaker 16: five come in? Like is he one and five? Is
• 25:43
  Speaker 16: there five kids?
• 25:44
  Speaker 12: He is five?
• 25:46
  Speaker 16: So there's a wire here in the studio and it
• 25:48
  Speaker 16: has a big five on it, and he kept pointing
• 25:51
  Speaker 16: to it and talking about his family.
• 25:54
  Speaker 13: So has it not been that long for him?
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Like three?
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: He passed into oh.
• 26:00
  Speaker 13: Just in July. Okay, because literally I got chills.
• 26:03
  Speaker 16: And when you get the chills everybody, that's called the quickening,
• 26:06
  Speaker 16: and that's the spirit body. But it also tells me
• 26:09
  Speaker 16: like this hasn't been long. But he goes like this,
• 26:11
  Speaker 16: I'm fine. Do you want some lottery numbers?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: What are you looking for?
• 26:16
  Speaker 13: Is he funny? Like dry?
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 26:20
  Speaker 13: And Daddy's little girl, that's what he said about you.
• 26:22
  Speaker 16: And hey, was it you who put the hand through
• 26:25
  Speaker 16: glass when you were young?
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: I actually think it was me.
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: I was really really young.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I was crawling on a picture for him.
• 26:34
  Speaker 16: Yeah, he just keeps going back to younger years.
• 26:37
  Speaker 13: Do you see that?
• 26:37
  Speaker 16: Because he's doing his life review now. But please know
• 26:41
  Speaker 16: he absolutely hears you. You're gonna have the dream. You're
• 26:43
  Speaker 16: just trying too hard. Lots of love from the heavens above.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Now that's Billy and Lisa's top twenty five moments of
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Kids, What do wait?
• 26:53
  Speaker 15: All?
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: Top moments of twenty twenty five include author Jeff Benedict.
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: So he wrote The Dinist, that book which they turned
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: into the Apple TV ten part series that we all
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: watched about the Patriots and the Crafts and Brady and Belichick.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: It was huge.
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: So he did My book Club, and he had such
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: insight about how he was embedded with the Patriots for
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: like two years. He had unlimited access to conversations and
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: to discussions.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: He took us inside, he really did. And this is
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: an amazing interview, number fifteen.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: So, Jeff, I got to make a point here if
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: you don't mind, Okay, I know New York Times Bestseller,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Emmy Award winner, Right, I'm not mistaken, right, keep going
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: hundreds of stories and essays. And you did Lebron James,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: you did Tiger Woods obviously The Dynasty. But you know what, Jeff,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: you haven't done Lisa Dunovan's book Club yet.
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: Welcome to the Octagon exact the mother of all book club.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I was waiting for the punchline.
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: Now you got it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, thank you so much, Jeff for doing this,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Lisa doing a fabulous shop with the book club, and
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: I think you're really really going to enjoy the experience.
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: I can't wait, really looking forward to it. I think
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: it's tremendous and it's also great just because it's right
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: the heart of Boston. So as a new Englander, I'm looking.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Forward to it.
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: The link is up, registrations are rolling in, I'm told,
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: so we're going to fill this thing up.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: In the next hour or two. It will be sold out.
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: But I mean, Jeff, we as a group here, we
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: would come in and watch the docuseries The Dynasty on
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: Apple TV, and then we would come in and just
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: talk about it, right.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because there were so many parts that just gave
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: us so many questions and I got a lot of
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: chills during the docu series. Justin you want to play
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: a clip from the Brady Revenge Tour that season.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: It was like a song from Taylor Swift. He was like,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: look what you made me do.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: A year fba.
• 29:03
  Speaker 15: You know, I'm all baby said that for a long
• 29:06
  Speaker 15: time pulling for us anyway.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Pretty drill first beginning touchdown, This dude is on another
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: level to begin with. I'm scared his hell of Brady
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: You can tell he was angry and we're like, the
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: king is back here he goes, watch her get pissed off.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: And go, Jeff, do you still get the chills when
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: you watch or hear some of this?
• 29:42
  Speaker 15: Yeah?
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: Actually I do.
• 29:43
  Speaker 10: I mean.
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: One of the things that was for me at least,
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: that was really satisfying and fun about making the documentary
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: that was different than the book is that we got
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: to use music like we use Taylor Swift, the Rolling Stones,
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: David Bowie, Freddie Mercury as a way to really bring
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: emotion and power to some of the scenes in the film.
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: That it's obviously a very different medium than the book.
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: The book will always be probably the thing I love
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: the most because I spent a few years with the
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: Patriots team writing that book while Tom was in his
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: final two seasons in New England. By the time we
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: made the documentary, Tom was gone and things were different,
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: but it was just an opportunity to do something on
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: television that you can't do.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: On the page.
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: One of the things that we talked about a lot
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: when we were watching it was that it seemed like
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: it was a little harsh on Belichick.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Would you agree with that?
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Not really?
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: I mean I think I actually thought we were pretty
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: soft on Bill. I think what's jarring for people though,
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: and the reason I understand why some people think that,
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: and that's a feeling that's actually pretty limited to New
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: England and particularly like hardcore Pats fans, but is that
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: you're seeing Bill on television in an environment that you
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: never see him in before. Bill doesn't really do interviews.
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: He does press conferences and he kind of has a
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: stick that he does in a press conference. In this situation,
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: he was in a very foreign environment. He's sitting in
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: an interview chair being asked questions that he's really never
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: had to deal with before, and so he looks very stiff,
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: he looks uncomfortable, and the fact is he was stiff
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: and uncomfortable in that environment. But I think if you
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: look at the series in its totality, what you do
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: see is you see who Bill is he was a
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: very tough, taciturned successful football coach who had a huge
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: part in why the Patriots were so dominant for twenty years.
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: And then you contrast that with Tom, who's kind of
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: the other half of that equation, and their personalities are
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: very different, but the way they came together, it's pretty
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: remarkable what they achieved. But I mean, look, you're seeing
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: Bill as Bill in the series.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: So did you get calls or email or text from
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Bill or from Robert or from Tom the first time
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: they saw the docuseries?
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, I mean I would never.
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: I mean I definitely heard a lot. Well, you know, look,
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: you get to know people as I was in this
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: thing for five or six years, right, I mean, I
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: worked on these two things back to back. I went
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: from the book to the series, so like five or
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: six years of my life was invested in telling the
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: Dynasty story in two different mediums. And you get to
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: know people pretty well and the organization well. And I
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: feel like I know that organization really well and the
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: people who are in it and have a tremendous amount
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: of respect for everything that was done there, starting with
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: the crafts and how they built it and sustained it
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: over that twenty years. It's a remarkable run. By the way,
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: no team is going to catch them. The Chiefs, in
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: my opinion, used to have very little chance of ever
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: replicating what the Patriots did. Now.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: The Aaron Hernandez chapter must have been a difficult for
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: you to navigate.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: I mean, as a storyteller, it really wasn't that hard.
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: Look a ton has been written and said about that case.
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: And the nice thing is I wasn't writing a book
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: about Aaron Hernandez, nor would I want to. It's a
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: predepressing subject. However, if you're going to write a definitive
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: history of the Patriots dynasty over a twenty year period,
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: you can't just kind of skip over that like it
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: didn't happen. It's a part of the dynasty that actually
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: happens right in the middle of the two Super Bowl runs,
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: the first run in the early two thousands and then
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: the back end run in.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: The late twenty teens.
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: Hernand sits right in the middle of that, and that's
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: kind of a little bit of a dark spot. And
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: so I mean I covered it in the book. Over
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: like a couple of chapters in the series we dealt
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: with that whole thing within one episode.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: I can't even imagine the relationship between you and the
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: videographers and the editors taking your story, putting it to film,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: putting it to pictures. It just seems like such a
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: complicated process.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: That's why it took over five years.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Now, that's a really Unleash's Top twenty five Romans of
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five on Kuth.
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: What do we so?
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Lisa Michelle and I my wife and I have had
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: two trips to Africa in the last year, and when
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: I went the second time, I was I think it
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: was this past October. We had an experience that was
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: absolutely life changing, mind blowing.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: It turns out elephants a one.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Of a very few species that actually have ceremonies funeral
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: services for somebody from their herd that may have been
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: you know, poached or injured or e been killed.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: And the two of you actually got to experience this ceremony.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: We watched it develop and we watched it happen.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: I'm getting chills again just thinking about it, but it
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: was an amazing moment for us.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: In the Bush in Africa Number fourteen.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I've saved one story because I thought this was the
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: most outstanding story and experience.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Is it going to be as dirty as the lion
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: story from earlier?
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: No, I did that one earlier. Yes, lions got it
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: out of the way.
• 35:29
  Speaker 17: Yeah, thanks Billy for that. Just trying to enjoy my night,
• 35:33
  Speaker 17: enjoy my dinner. And what do I see when I
• 35:35
  Speaker 17: open up Instagram? Just two lions going at it. So
• 35:38
  Speaker 17: thanks night, ruined meal ruined, Thanks Billy.
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: He said it to everybody in his contact us, right,
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: let yeah, oh I thought you posted that to everybody
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: he did.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay, all right, he opened his Instagram he follows Billy.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Okay, So I have to say when I saw it,
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: I looked at it and I was like, are you
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: really posting this? Is this really happening for people that
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: If you go to Billy's Instagram, he posted a video
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: of two lions.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: You know, fornicating doing it. Feline fornication.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the term we've come up for.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, thanks to Chris from WBZ TV this morning.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now you have to understand we didn't go looking
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: for it.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: I mean we were out there in the wild and
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: you pull up to certain areas because you got word
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: there might be some lions or you follow the tracks,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: and these guides that take you around every single day,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: they know track from track. They know if it's a hyena,
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: they know if it's a leopard, a cheetah, an elephant,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: you know, bushbuck, whatever. So we pulled up to this
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: area where there were, in fact, a pride of lions,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: and closer we got very close to these two because
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: it was the first time we had ever seen a
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: lion and a lioness together. And apparently they travel once
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: they hook up, they travel.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: And very quickly.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: I'll just tell you we learned while watching them have
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: sex that they have sex every fifteen minutes for two
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: full days.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just to make sure it sticks, like it
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: just makes sure.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know, and I really didn't want to ask
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: for any more information on it.
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: But they're doing a job, right, it's it's it's to
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: make sure that the species continues to move ahead, right,
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: So that's why they do it over and over exactly.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Justin when you study had marital problems and Billy, you
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: know that was affecting it.
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: I thought you were going to talk about the two
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: Second Mountains.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, that's a.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Separate issue, you know, what's funny lice? When I saw
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: the lions and the lion and the lioness, you know,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: having showtime.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought of Justin really yeah, And I even
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: texted him, I said, I don't know why Justin, but
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: the first thing I thought of was you, because he
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: was so jack with testosterone.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Okay, he thinks you have like just like quickie stuff
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: he's obsessed with.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: See, Okay, that's not can you not? Can you get
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: to the elephant story. You're spending way too long? Okay,
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: I'm already in the doghouse because of the camper.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, so all right, listen this sore. When you're on safari,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: you leave early morning. Every morning, they wake you up
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: at four point thirty with coffee with a little knock
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: on the door, and they're armed because it's.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Still dark out.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: And you go on a morning safari, and then you
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: come back for a couple of hours, you chill, you
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: have lunch, and then you go on an afternoon safari.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: So and what happens is.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Your cruise around the bush, you know you're going into
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: and out to, and they have these watering holes scattered everywhere.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: And I should mention the conservation people this is very cool.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: They actually have pumps that pump water constantly into these
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: watering holes because the animals really depend on it and
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: their families and their bucks.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: So anyway, we pulled.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Up to one of the watering holes that we went
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: to quite frequently, and it was way out, it was
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: like two hours out into the bush, and.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: We suddenly realized.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: And the one thing I told the gods even my
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: first trip to Africa, I said, one thing I never
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: want to see is a kill. I never want to
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: see an animal being attacked by another animal. I would
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: never recover from that. So, by accident, we pulled up
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: by the watering hole and we saw that a baby
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: elephant had been killed by a lion, and two or
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: three lions were still lying nearby the caucass. And so
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: then what happens is animals gradually start coming to the
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: watering hole, and you can see them from far away,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: like herds of elephants approaching with their babies and everything else.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: And then giraffes will come in and they need to
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: get a drink of water too, and this goes on
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: all day. Zebra and Wilderby's they all come in for
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: their drinks and they seem to get along everybody and
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: the hippos are in the middle of the watering hole.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: So anyway, we see the carcass, and this was the
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: most emotional moment of the entire trip. One of the
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: herds of elephants came in and they kept getting closer
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: and closer to the carcass. They actually chased the lions away,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: which isn't an easy thing to do. They don't give
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: up their meat. They up this one herd of elephants,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: and after a couple of minutes, you started getting a sense.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: And none of us spoke because you have to be quiet.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: None of us spoke in the jeep, but we all
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: got a sense at the same time that this must
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: be I'm getting chills, this must be the baby elephant's mother.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: And sure enough, the guy said, yeah, here's what's happening here.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Because the group of elephants, young and old, gathered around
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: the carcass and the mother elephant would appeared to be
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: the mother, you could feel the sadness and we all
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: looked at each other and we whispered.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is a memorial service.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it was like a church service, and it
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: was very organized where they put all the baby elephants.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: In the middle. They are very protective of the babies.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: The elephants in the middle so that the lions couldn't
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: get to the babies, and the mother was leaning over
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: the carcass and they do everything with their trunks. The
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: trunks are extremely sensitive, and you can tell that the
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: mother elephant was basically blessing the child with the trunk, yeah,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: and would sniff it and then curl it up into
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: a knot almost like so she could keep the scent
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: of her child as a memory.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, you didn't need anyone to narrate. You
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: didn't need anyone to tell you.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: After a couple of minutes, you knew exactly what was
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: going on, and the lions were smart enough to stay
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: away because the mother elephant also chased the lions away
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: from the car because as if to say, leave her
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: alone or leave the baby alone, and lions, it's the
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: only thing they fear in the wild or the elephants.
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you said that, the jungle, but they're afraid of
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: the elephants.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, lions owned the night, as they say out there.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: But anyway, we sat quietly and watched and I'm telling
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: you justin. We were as close as Lisa and I
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: and Riley are to you right now watching this go down.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: How long did it last?
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Oh? Half hour? It just went on and you could
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: just hear the silent.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: Clicks of the camera slowly walk away like yes it.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because there was one point where one of the
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: lions tried to get back to and the mother again.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Chased it away.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: It's like a funeral.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was a funeral. By the way, you can
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: go to my Instagram and you can see this video.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: You can see everything we posted, I mean videos of
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: all different types of animals doing different.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Things, different experiences.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: It's a magical place what we witnessed, basically, and this
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: hit me when I was flying home the circle of life.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Now back to billion Lisa's top twenty five moments of
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five on Kiss one O eight.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: So let's face it, at the Karen Reid trial dominated
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: the news and people's conversations for almost a year or
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: even longer, right, l Yeah.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: Because we went through two trials.
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: So we had the opportunity, through my son Max and
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: his best friend Asa, to connect with one of the
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: attorneys for Karen Reid, David Yanetti, so it's weird that
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: that's how we got David.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Was through my son Max and he came into the studio.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: She did number thirteen.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Daveanettie, Welcome, Consolor, Thank you so much for having me
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: is here. Karen Reid, one of Karen Reid's lawyers. And
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: you know, there are some interviews that we just get
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: so excited about. So like for the last ten minutes,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: you know, we're all coming in and out of the studio.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: We're asking you questions, we're having conversations and anyway, we're
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: thrilled that you were able to come in on the
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: show this morning. But the way you got here is
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: a little unusual, and I think we touched upon it
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: outside the studio. Lisa Dunovan's son Max A Max, how
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: you doing? His buddy asa funny kid. Turns out is
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: related to you in some way.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's.
• 43:41
  Speaker 15: It's my wife's family.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: So you know his mom, whom Emily Franklin.
• 43:46
  Speaker 15: I've known her for you know, twenty thirty years. You know,
• 43:50
  Speaker 15: the family's very close. She's the one who you know,
• 43:54
  Speaker 15: asked if I would come on. I can't say no
• 43:56
  Speaker 15: to Emily.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: You would have said no to us.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: We've been working on this for a year.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: No comment, Okay, So I don't even know where to start.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: So off the air outside the studio, Lisa brought up
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: an important point, and that is when the verdict.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Came down, you cried.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you were well up.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: And my question for you, counselor, is were you crying
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: happy tears for the verdict or were you crying happy
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: tears that it was over a little both.
• 44:35
  Speaker 15: I was very relieved that it was not another hung jury. Uh,
• 44:39
  Speaker 15: you know, given the way the evidence came in, I
• 44:43
  Speaker 15: was not concerned really about a conviction on one of
• 44:48
  Speaker 15: the homicide charges. I didn't think they had it. I
• 44:52
  Speaker 15: had confidence the jury would agree with us, but I
• 44:55
  Speaker 15: was concerned that maybe there was a holdout or two,
• 44:59
  Speaker 15: you know, because we had just been through a hung jury,
• 45:01
  Speaker 15: and so part of it is, you know, I'm thinking
• 45:03
  Speaker 15: I can't do this again.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Trial three.
• 45:08
  Speaker 15: I mean, you know I would have, but boy, that
• 45:11
  Speaker 15: would have been a daunting prospect. But you know, the
• 45:14
  Speaker 15: other aspect of it is, you know, you put three
• 45:16
  Speaker 15: and a half years of your life into something. You know,
• 45:19
  Speaker 15: you develop relationships with, you know, your client and your
• 45:22
  Speaker 15: co counsul and you're all going to war together. And
• 45:25
  Speaker 15: then you know when when it's finally over, and you know,
• 45:29
  Speaker 15: we got the verdict that we had been working toward
• 45:33
  Speaker 15: and hoping for for so long.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I just I wasn't prepared for the
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: emotions that I had.
• 45:41
  Speaker 15: You know, I go back and watch the clip and
• 45:43
  Speaker 15: it's like I start to smile and then it just
• 45:47
  Speaker 15: kind of comes over me and I couldn't help but
• 45:51
  Speaker 15: tear up. You know, I've said, I'm you know, I'm
• 45:53
  Speaker 15: a little embarrassed that that's the first time that a
• 45:57
  Speaker 15: client has had to comfort me.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: After and then it was off to Barcelona, right.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: We're a talkbacker that said that you have it justin
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: because I don't think he had a chance to hear it,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: but I said, really, it's like.
• 46:11
  Speaker 11: To hear Davey Nettie on the show. This morning last
• 46:14
  Speaker 11: month when we were in Barcelona, we turned around and
• 46:17
  Speaker 11: he was at the dinner table immediately behind us. He
• 46:21
  Speaker 11: took a few minutes to say, hello, what a nice man,
• 46:24
  Speaker 11: and what a well deserved vacation he and his wife
• 46:27
  Speaker 11: are having.
• 46:28
  Speaker 15: They were the sweetest people. Yeah, I mean, you know,
• 46:32
  Speaker 15: I have this it's like, you know, fifteen minutes of fame.
• 46:36
  Speaker 15: You know, it's very temporary, but because of the exposure
• 46:39
  Speaker 15: the case has. You know, when I go out in public,
• 46:42
  Speaker 15: I'm off and recognized and I love it. You know,
• 46:46
  Speaker 15: I know this is going to dissipate, so but I'm
• 46:50
  Speaker 15: enjoying it while it's going on. But I didn't expect
• 46:52
  Speaker 15: In Barcelona there was you know, a table full of
• 46:56
  Speaker 15: you know, a family, and I thought they were looking
• 47:00
  Speaker 15: at me. Funny. I was like, this's not a chance
• 47:02
  Speaker 15: they know who I am. But turns out they were
• 47:03
  Speaker 15: from the Boston area and there's very very very sweet people.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Well I'm guessing that verdict it's pretty good for business.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: On David, I don't talk about my other clients.
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: Can we go back to the very beginning and when
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: you got that phone call from Karen Reid?
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: What was it about the story that made you want
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: to take the case?
• 47:34
  Speaker 15: Well, I mean, you know what I do is people
• 47:36
  Speaker 15: people are in trouble and they call me, and it's
• 47:39
  Speaker 15: rare that I would refuse to take a case.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: So you know what, what what struck me was I had.
• 47:47
  Speaker 15: A different impression of Karen than you know who. She
• 47:51
  Speaker 15: actually turned out to be a very sweet voice on
• 47:56
  Speaker 15: the phone. She sounded confused, she sounded scared. You know,
• 48:00
  Speaker 15: this is not anything she ever had been through in
• 48:04
  Speaker 15: her life. And I think her head was spending. But
• 48:07
  Speaker 15: she sounded really young to me. So you know, my
• 48:11
  Speaker 15: first thought is, this is, you know, maybe a woman
• 48:13
  Speaker 15: who's like in her late teens or early twenties. And
• 48:18
  Speaker 15: you know, boy, she turned out to be, you know,
• 48:21
  Speaker 15: quite different.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: And this was this phone call was in the middle
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: of the night pretty much right, well, it was on
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: a weekend, so it was.
• 48:27
  Speaker 15: On the Sunday of like the biggest blizzard weekend we
• 48:31
  Speaker 15: had had, right and so you know this, I'm walking
• 48:37
  Speaker 15: around my you know, living room with a cup of
• 48:39
  Speaker 15: coffee and nobody's outside, nobody's doing anything. And yeah, and
• 48:44
  Speaker 15: I get this call and I happen to pick it up.
• 48:46
  Speaker 15: And that that doesn't often happen, I mean, on the weekends.
• 48:50
  Speaker 15: We have an answering service. Yeah, you know, but but
• 48:53
  Speaker 15: I had the calls forwarded to my cell phone.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: And you know I got her.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Well, as it happens, the blizzard became a big part
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: of the story, correct at the trials, I mean, and
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: that night and everything. So you say, she sounded young.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Did you get a sense of how immediate her danger was,
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: like the situation she was in.
• 49:14
  Speaker 15: Well, sure, I mean, you know, she suspected what she
• 49:18
  Speaker 15: might be accused of in light of the contact that
• 49:21
  Speaker 15: she had had with the police. So you know, I
• 49:26
  Speaker 15: did expect and you know, prepared for the fact that
• 49:30
  Speaker 15: charges would be taken out.
• 49:32
  Speaker 8: I was just.
• 49:34
  Speaker 15: Surprised at the charges that they chose to take out.
• 49:38
  Speaker 15: My feeling from the beginning was, even if they thought
• 49:42
  Speaker 15: that there was a collision between her car and John O'Keefe,
• 49:46
  Speaker 15: which I think we showed a trial, there wasn't. But
• 49:49
  Speaker 15: even if they thought that, my read on the cases,
• 49:53
  Speaker 15: at most, this was a motor vehicle homicide, and you know,
• 49:56
  Speaker 15: they went right after her right from May one with
• 49:59
  Speaker 15: manslaughter charge and then and she.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Was the only one they suspected that she was the
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: only suspect.
• 50:04
  Speaker 15: Well, I mean, you know, obviously it came out in time.
• 50:07
  Speaker 15: I didn't know that at the time, but it came
• 50:09
  Speaker 15: out in time that you know, they they just focused
• 50:12
  Speaker 15: on her, in my view, and you know, that was
• 50:15
  Speaker 15: certainly part of our defense.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: We're talking with the Davenetti, one of Karen Reid's lawyers,
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: I've got so many questions, Lisa, You've got a ton
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: of questions.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: We were talking about the difference between the first trial
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: and the second trial, and when you found out that
• 50:31
  Speaker 7: Brennan would be a part of the second trial, what
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: you know, what were what were you guys talking about
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: when that came out?
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: So are you thinking?
• 50:39
  Speaker 15: You know?
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I had two parallel thoughts.
• 50:42
  Speaker 15: One was I was surprised, excuse me, that the district
• 50:48
  Speaker 15: attorney hired somebody from outside.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Their office to prosecute the case.
• 50:53
  Speaker 15: I mean, that's an office with dozens of lawyers, and
• 50:56
  Speaker 15: my thought is my first thought was they don't have
• 50:58
  Speaker 15: anybody there that they trust to handle the case, So
• 51:02
  Speaker 15: it was surprising to me. The second thought was that,
• 51:07
  Speaker 15: you know, we had a big fight on our hands
• 51:10
  Speaker 15: for trial too. You know, I didn't know Hank Brennan personally,
• 51:15
  Speaker 15: but we have a lot of mutual colleagues and acquaintances,
• 51:19
  Speaker 15: and he has an excellent representation as an reputation, I
• 51:24
  Speaker 15: should say, as an excellent trial lawyer.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: So you know, we we were ready for a big fight.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: Going back to that original phone call, you couldn't have
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: imagined in a million years what that case was going
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: to turn into a fascination people had with these trials.
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: No way to predict that, you know.
• 51:46
  Speaker 15: I mean, anytime there's an alleged homicide of a police officer,
• 51:51
  Speaker 15: it's a big news case. So you're ready for that,
• 51:57
  Speaker 15: but you're not ready orienticipate painting. I should say, what
• 52:02
  Speaker 15: this case ultimately became.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: What was it like walking into the courtroom every day?
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was a very crazy scene. It's it's
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: it's surreal.
• 52:10
  Speaker 15: I mean, as a criminal defense attorney, you know, you'd
• 52:15
  Speaker 15: sooner be vilified than cheered, right, We're not used to that.
• 52:20
  Speaker 15: But in this case, the public was overwhelmingly on our side.
• 52:25
  Speaker 15: You know, to be walking into court with people, you know,
• 52:28
  Speaker 15: cheering your name and uh, you know, asking you to
• 52:31
  Speaker 15: stop and pose for selfies and autographs.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: It's it's surreal.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: But I have to imagine that had to be tough
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: on the other side. I would imagine that it was,
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: you know, because there is a victim there. There's only
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: one dead person, of course, and and it is a tragedy.
• 52:51
  Speaker 15: I mean, you know, but by I don't, I didn't
• 52:54
  Speaker 15: know John O'Keefe, but I've yet to meet somebody who
• 52:59
  Speaker 15: says anything bad about him. Yeah, Yeah, his story is
• 53:03
  Speaker 15: incredible and you know, taking on his niece and his nephew.
• 53:07
  Speaker 15: A selfless person and it's a tragedy that he's gone.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: During the interviews, I think in one of the docu
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: series or something talked about I forget what you called it,
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: but like the working space where you folks would get
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: together and you spend so much time together banging heads
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: and comparing notes and everything else.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: In fact, during the trial and watching the docu series.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: I was kind of imagining it like scenes from that
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: movie A Few Good Men with Jack Nicholson and they're
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: yelling and screaming in the apartment and everything about what
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: to say, what to do.
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: With the trial? What was that like?
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: The whole working space so to say, I mean, you know,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: it's very intense.
• 53:45
  Speaker 15: You know, you don't often have a trial that lasts
• 53:48
  Speaker 15: for two or three months. Where you are, you know,
• 53:52
  Speaker 15: working with colleagues with whom you don't have a prior
• 53:56
  Speaker 15: relationship really, and you know, everybody is you know, the
• 54:01
  Speaker 15: alpha dog. Everybody is used to being in charge and
• 54:05
  Speaker 15: now you have to share, you know, decision making and
• 54:11
  Speaker 15: you know, be deferential to each other. But you know,
• 54:14
  Speaker 15: as I've said it before. We for people that didn't
• 54:18
  Speaker 15: know each other going into the trial, we got along
• 54:24
  Speaker 15: incredibly well. And there was a lot of you know,
• 54:28
  Speaker 15: mutual respect among all team members. And you know, realize
• 54:32
  Speaker 15: we're all living together in the same hotel with a
• 54:36
  Speaker 15: conference room that is truly a war room, you know,
• 54:40
  Speaker 15: with you wouldn't believe the number of binders and you know,
• 54:44
  Speaker 15: a conference table that's full filled of notes.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: And a lot of big cardboard boxes full of time.
• 54:51
  Speaker 15: Yeah, a lot of spirited destruction discussions about strategy.
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: You guys have twenty four to seven security at that
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: point for all of that, all of the documents.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: It's an on for you and for the team.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: So it was under lock and key.
• 55:04
  Speaker 15: It was and and and you know, under surveillance by hospitals.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I felt it goes in