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AEW Hot Topic | Counter-programming? · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And nine.
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  Speaker 2: Ignition Ship five.
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  Speaker 1: Four three two one zero.
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  Speaker 3: All engine running.
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  Speaker 1: It's Wednesday. You know what that means. It's time for
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  Speaker 1: Ignition with the ae W fan hob podcast team. This
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  Speaker 1: is Kelson.
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  Speaker 4: And returning from Parts unknown. It's me, It's me, It's
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  Speaker 4: the vibe. That's right, Shades, the Vibe back co hosting,
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  Speaker 4: back to the glory days.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a better year. It has to bet a
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  Speaker 1: year since you co hosted the podcast with it.
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  Speaker 5: Remember when the last word?
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  Speaker 3: But I remember him doing it.
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  Speaker 5: I don't when.
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  Speaker 4: God, Well, it's just me and Kelson.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, February or January of twenty twenty three. We started
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  Speaker 1: this podcast and it used to be just being you
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  Speaker 1: and then it grew. Oh well, I digress, Shades. What
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  Speaker 1: do you want to talk about first?
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  Speaker 4: Well, let's start with one of the pet topics du
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  Speaker 4: jour of the Internet wrestling community right now, and that
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  Speaker 4: is WWE reportedly per Fightful I believe, looking to counter
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  Speaker 4: program the next aw pay per view with a premium
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  Speaker 4: live event of their own. How do we feel about that?
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  Speaker 6: Petty butchery again, eddichery petty butchery on Triple Ah's part,
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  Speaker 6: he cannot help himself.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me stop there. Let me stop you there, Jess,
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  Speaker 1: because you just said something that's very interesting. Is it
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  Speaker 1: on Triple H or is it on t KO?
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  Speaker 3: It's t K O think but go ahead, yess.
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  Speaker 6: I would I would like equal blame. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 6: pretty sure Triple H isn't arguing like no, don't counter
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  Speaker 6: program please, no, don't stop.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm sure they're not dragging them by
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  Speaker 1: uh the neck with one of Hangman had in page's
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  Speaker 1: uh chains to the arena to produce the show. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what about? Um K, what do you think about it?
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  Speaker 1: It's funny.
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  Speaker 5: Today I was on one of my wrestling pages and
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  Speaker 5: I saw a very funny response someone posted by the
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  Speaker 5: reason why they're doing this and that it's because they
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  Speaker 5: want Tony Kahn to steff up his game.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's just funny to me. But they're doing it,
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  Speaker 5: but it's not because of that, because as we all know,
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  Speaker 5: there ain't no party like an aw pay review party,
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  Speaker 5: and they're usually better than WWE, but usually I think
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  Speaker 5: it's strategic and they're trying to do something, but they're
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  Speaker 5: gonna get blown out of water because you can't. It's
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  Speaker 5: really hard to be an AW pay per view. I
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  Speaker 5: can think of a small, maybe handful that hads fallen flat,
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  Speaker 5: and that's within a six year period. So they're just
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  Speaker 5: trying to stir the pot, right, and it's working.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I could understand that they were trying
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  Speaker 1: to stir the pot, but you can't plain a show
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  Speaker 1: on like WrestleMania Night one and Night two and then
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  Speaker 1: try to stir the pot based on that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, go aheads.
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  Speaker 4: So I have a perspective. Number one, I think it
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  Speaker 4: You know, TKO and Nick Con and Triple H can
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  Speaker 4: talk all they want about not seeing aw's competition, Well,
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  Speaker 4: they didn't see aw's competition, they wouldn't be doing this.
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  Speaker 4: So in that respect, it's a little bit of a
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  Speaker 4: acknowledgment of ae w's prominence and how they've really, for
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  Speaker 4: you know, forged a niche for themselves in the wrestling world.
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  Speaker 4: But also, I think a byproduct of what's happening here
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  Speaker 4: is by putting these things up head to head all
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  Speaker 4: the time like this, what t KO is inadvertently doing
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  Speaker 4: is they are polarizing the wrestling audience. So I think
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  Speaker 4: pretty soon you're not gonna have a lot of crossover
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  Speaker 4: fans between WWE and a w it's you're you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: either watch one or the other, and I don't know
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  Speaker 4: that that's necessarily a good thing. I have my own
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  Speaker 4: reasons that I don't watch WWE, but I think polarizing
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  Speaker 4: the audience is only going to lead to things like
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  Speaker 4: more toxicity in the wrestling, chatter in the community, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's gonna create maybe some awkward city situations
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  Speaker 4: between friends who work at different companies. But either way,
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  Speaker 4: I don't see this as a winning move for TKO
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  Speaker 4: long term because they're not going to take away from
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  Speaker 4: aw's audience. That's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Oh they're no. I mean when you consider also that
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  Speaker 1: with the practices that TQO and I amn't going to
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  Speaker 1: say TKO not WWE, even though the booking has been
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  Speaker 1: kind of weird from WWE, that's that's them. That's on them.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they've done. That's what they always do. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they use pay per view events to promote the other
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  Speaker 1: the next pay per view event. They just did that
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  Speaker 1: at SummerSlam, you know, with their main event at SummerSlam.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, what I'm saying here is, look, AW has
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  Speaker 1: already put up their posters online and announces of all
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  Speaker 1: of the pay per views from now until the end
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  Speaker 1: of the year. Correct, Yes, they've got it the right
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  Speaker 1: right on those posters. Do you know any did you
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  Speaker 1: notice anything that's consistent on all those posters except for
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  Speaker 1: forbidden door.
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  Speaker 4: To take place on Saturday because of the NFL season.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's one on Sunday. I think there is
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  Speaker 1: one on Sunday. But the one thing that I've noticed
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  Speaker 1: that's consistent about aw's announcement posters is they have the
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  Speaker 1: dates on them, but they don't have any times. No times.
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  Speaker 1: Why because they know Tony Kahan is sitting back in
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  Speaker 1: his chair drinking his coffee weirdly, and because he does
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  Speaker 1: drink coffee weirdly. I'm sorry to wit he holds it.
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  Speaker 1: I just like put that down anyway, Dery. He's expecting
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  Speaker 1: a counterprogramming. But see, here's the thing. WWE can't counterprogram
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  Speaker 1: their main roster pay per views or ples in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of a day. Their advertisers will not stand for it.
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  Speaker 1: It would take an act of God probably to get
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  Speaker 1: the advertisers to agree to put a ple on during
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  Speaker 1: the day. So if a if WWE announces a Ple
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  Speaker 1: for the same night as All Out on September twentieth.
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  Speaker 1: All AW has to do is changed is put the
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  Speaker 1: time as three pm when the WW when's going to
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  Speaker 1: start at six thirty, and AW is just going to
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  Speaker 1: run right into the beginning of it like it did
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  Speaker 1: with Saturday, the night's main event, and correct me if
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  Speaker 1: I'm wrong. And I don't know if this is possible,
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  Speaker 1: because I honestly don't watch rewatch anything on Peacock. But
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  Speaker 1: if you were to watch a wwepl the next day
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  Speaker 1: on Peacock, can you fast forward through the commercials?
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  Speaker 5: I I don't watch that WW so I don't know
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  Speaker 5: that question.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what I understand this is that if you can
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  Speaker 1: fast forward through the commercials, which I don't see why
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  Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to if you have the right
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  Speaker 1: subscription plan anyway, because I really don't know how it works,
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  Speaker 1: because I get Peacock through my Internet provider for free.
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  Speaker 1: It's part of the package. But anyway, what I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: here is people are going to watch All Out like
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  Speaker 1: they watched All In and whatever I saw it written
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  Speaker 1: all over this all over the internet. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: watch all Out or All In. I'm sorry, and then
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch Saturday night's main event and and uh, well,
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  Speaker 1: what was it? The Great American Bash tomorrow the next day,
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  Speaker 1: and then they can fast forward through the commercials. That
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  Speaker 1: that can't make the advertisers very happy that their commercials
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  Speaker 1: are getting fast forward through.
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  Speaker 4: No, And I think the worst part of it all
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  Speaker 4: is so reportedly the big main event that they're going
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  Speaker 4: to put up against the AW Show is John Cena
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  Speaker 4: versus Brock Lesnar for the millionth time. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: these guys are almost fifty years old. At each of
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  Speaker 4: them they are like and then they're not like Christian
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  Speaker 4: Cage at fifty. Okay, Christian Cage is still very good,
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  Speaker 4: you know, serviceable in the ring. Okay, these these guys
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  Speaker 4: are badly functional. Is so I don't see, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't I don't know what the draw is like
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  Speaker 4: the nobody who, nobody who's like a big AW fan
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  Speaker 4: is gonna go, oh well, I've got to go see
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  Speaker 4: CNN Lesnar for the millionth time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I t I only agree with you, shades. Look,
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  Speaker 1: both Cena and Lesner are forty eight right now, and
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  Speaker 1: they will be forty eight on September twentieth at the
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  Speaker 1: as yet to be named wwepl.
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  Speaker 6: A.
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  Speaker 1: W simply just has to put their younger, more athletic,
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  Speaker 1: more meaningful wrestlers, and more meaningful matches at all out.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah and.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 6: Oh okay. I didn't want to talk over anybody. I
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  Speaker 6: didn't see the match myself, so this is hearsay. But
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  Speaker 6: just to give a little bit of a devil his due,
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  Speaker 6: I heard that the Cody Sina match until the ending
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  Speaker 6: was actually very good, Like Meltzer gave it five stars.
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  Speaker 6: What does it take for Meltzer to give five stars
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  Speaker 6: to a Sina match?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm not buying it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna say this to you. I watched the
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  Speaker 1: Cody versus seeing a match, I believe it was it
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  Speaker 1: uh money in the bank, and they literally just danced
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  Speaker 1: around each other for most of the match. I mean
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  Speaker 1: they didn't touch each other.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, are we going to do
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  Speaker 1: a line dance or are we going to wrestle? You know?
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  Speaker 1: But here's the thing. When you're the other thing you
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  Speaker 1: have to consider is that when all out comes out,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to have a match card of at least
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  Speaker 1: probably ten matches. But the pl for WWE on that
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  Speaker 1: night is going to probably only have like five matches,
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  Speaker 1: because that's what WWE does. And when one of those
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  Speaker 1: matches are two forty eight, forty eight year old part
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  Speaker 1: timers going at it for as Shade said the billionth time, Yeah, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: it takes away from it, you know. And so now
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  Speaker 1: you've you're down the four matches. Because I agree with
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  Speaker 1: whoever said that. I don't think anybody is gonna be
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  Speaker 1: switched switching over from all In. I don't think even
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  Speaker 1: if the even if WWE put on the best match possible,
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  Speaker 1: I do not think that anybody that's watching All out
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  Speaker 1: is going to switch over to w W E pol
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  Speaker 1: E because it's kind of like what Shade says, it's
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  Speaker 1: neither or thing, you know. But but they're especially not
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  Speaker 1: gonna switch over to see a completely get for two
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  Speaker 1: forty eight year old part timers. Russell again, Well, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: Let's let's move on to a former WWE talent who
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  Speaker 4: well he might be a former he might. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not sure we're not getting worked, but let's talk about
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  Speaker 4: Killer Cross. Uh does he have a place in ae W.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know anymore. Yeah, to go ahead, Jess.
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  Speaker 6: I was going to I was fully prepared to come
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  Speaker 6: into this podcast advocating for him because his promos really
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  Speaker 6: are second to none. He's excellent on the mic, he's
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  Speaker 6: got a great presentation. And then my husband, bless him,
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  Speaker 6: asked me what is what is a Killer Cross's finisher?
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  Speaker 6: And I could not answer that question, and then it
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  Speaker 6: just pretty much changed my entire perspective, like maybe I
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  Speaker 6: should rethink this.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you a question, Jess and MK
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  Speaker 1: and Shades. If Killer Cross were to come to AW,
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  Speaker 1: where does he belong? Is he an upper card wrestler?
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  Speaker 1: Is he a mid carter? You know? Is he somebody
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  Speaker 1: would go after the AW World Championship or TT Championship
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  Speaker 1: or the trios or god forbid the FTW if they
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  Speaker 1: ever bring it back.
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  Speaker 5: Uh, I think it needs to go with start out
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  Speaker 5: as a tag team in the working way way up.
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  Speaker 3: If he comes. I haven't seen him wrestling a long time.
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  Speaker 5: I just think he has a great persona and maybe
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  Speaker 5: putting him with someone who's a little on a darker side,
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  Speaker 5: not the uh you know, uh that's probably sounded weird,
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  Speaker 5: but uh, just someone who he can match his energy
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  Speaker 5: and cover for his wrestling skills.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: With a name like Killer Cross, you're not gonna put
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  Speaker 1: him with uh, you know, Orange Cassidy. You know that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 5: Garrison, No, but uh.
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  Speaker 1: Are people who are.
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  Speaker 3: Here's Chris Garrison.
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  Speaker 5: But uh, you know, I just I don't know enough
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  Speaker 5: about his wrestling skills anymore. I haven't I don't pay attention.
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  Speaker 1: To w W.
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  Speaker 5: I guess I should go look him up. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 5: fight for him a little bit. But if we pass
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  Speaker 5: on them, oh well we're stacked anyway. But I wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: mind if we're gonna reever rebuild a Ring of Honor
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  Speaker 5: to put him on there.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know what the plan for that is.
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  Speaker 1: I had not thought about that. That is a really
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  Speaker 1: good point, you know. To be honest with you, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna say this. You know, if any of these x
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  Speaker 1: WU guys and women want to come into uh the
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  Speaker 1: be all elite, put them in ring of honor, make
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  Speaker 1: them earn it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I mean not.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I'm not talking about everybody. I'm talking about
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  Speaker 1: people that you would get. I don't want to disrespect them,
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  Speaker 1: but say you're they're not gonna get main card money.
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  Speaker 1: You know I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 4: You're not going to get the Adam Copeland treatment. Is
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  Speaker 4: that what you're telling you?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you're not gonna get paid like all this
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  Speaker 1: money like Mercedes Monet, you know, and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: You're you're gonna get, you know, Bargaet basement. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you just got fired. We're gonna hire you and give
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  Speaker 1: you a shot money and if you do well, then
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  Speaker 1: we'll renegotiate kind of money. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 6: That's actually an idea.
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  Speaker 4: Here's what I think Killer Cross needs to do. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if AAW is the best spot for him
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  Speaker 4: right now because it's a very loaded roster. And conversely,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know the Ring of Honor is going to
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  Speaker 4: be great for his career. What I would do if
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  Speaker 4: I were kill Across as I would go on bended
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  Speaker 4: knee back to New Japan Pro Wrestling, beg for another shot,
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  Speaker 4: because I guess he food bard his last one the
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  Speaker 4: time he was there. If he could get in with
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  Speaker 4: New Japan and do like a one to two year
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  Speaker 4: run there, I think they would be receptive to his gimmick.
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  Speaker 4: And secondly, it would give him the opportunity to wrestle
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  Speaker 4: on an aw show at a forbidden door pay per view,
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  Speaker 4: And I think that would be a good gateway, just
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  Speaker 4: kind of like Osprey, but to a lesser degree, that
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  Speaker 4: would be a good in with the AWR audience. It's like, Oh,
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  Speaker 4: this guy's tearing up New Japan, just like all these
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  Speaker 4: other guys who tore up New Japan, like Zach Saber Junior,
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  Speaker 4: like you know, Jay Whye, like Osprey, you know, and so,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't I don't want to say if he
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  Speaker 4: came in to AW right now, his ceiling, his absolute
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  Speaker 4: ceiling for me, would be the T and T title,
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  Speaker 4: agreed like, and so I think he could do better
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  Speaker 4: than that potentially. But all of this might really not
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  Speaker 4: matter because again I'm not sure he's actually not on
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  Speaker 4: the roster for WWEY right now, but it's a talking
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  Speaker 4: point people are kind of I did see a post
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  Speaker 4: from Tom Green, not that Tom Green, but the one
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  Speaker 4: who does wrestling videos. Yeah, and he said, uh, he
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  Speaker 4: basically to the extent of what if this is all
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  Speaker 4: just some sort of social experiment, like what if there's
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  Speaker 4: what if the rest name Killer Cross doesn't even exist
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  Speaker 4: and we're just like trying to Will him into being
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  Speaker 4: and it's kind of like it's like Killer Cross. Yeah, wait,
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  Speaker 4: who's Killer Cross again? Like you know, it's there's about there.
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  Speaker 5: You But are you gonna waste the work on Killer Cross?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, our truth is loved by everybody. Are you
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  Speaker 5: gonna waste the work on someone who?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I will say this for him. He does have
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  Speaker 4: a lot of grassroots support among the WWB fan base.
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  Speaker 4: That is true. That is a lot.
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  Speaker 1: That is very true. Although I did read a report
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  Speaker 1: shade that I think it was on Twitter or x
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  Speaker 1: if you want to call it, call it that. I
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  Speaker 1: just can't. I have a target hard time with that.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, I did read where there wasn't any we
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  Speaker 1: want Cross chance at RAW on Monday night.
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  Speaker 6: I did hear they were confiscating signs though I.
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  Speaker 1: Did hear that too, So that's interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let's let's move on to some wrestlers who were
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  Speaker 4: actually on the a W roster. Hell yeah, let's talk
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  Speaker 4: about let's go to the very top of the card.
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  Speaker 4: We've got uh AW World Champion I'm sorry AW Men's
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  Speaker 4: World Champion, Hangman, Adam Paige and CMLL World Champion m
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  Speaker 4: jf on a collision course. What do you guys think
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  Speaker 4: AW needs to do to really push this feud forward
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  Speaker 4: into something we haven't seen before.
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  Speaker 6: I know, I've been thinking about this since I saw
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  Speaker 6: that saw it was going to be a topic on
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  Speaker 6: today's show. What I think is they really need need
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  Speaker 6: to lean into the simple fact that Hangman Page and
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  Speaker 6: MGF are two of the most complex characters on the roster.
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  Speaker 6: I think like deep emotional storytelling has pretty much made
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  Speaker 6: Hangman Page. That's his bread and butter, alongside with being
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  Speaker 6: a kick ass wrestler. But he is totally such a
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  Speaker 6: masterful story that it's gotten everyone behind him despite burning
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  Speaker 6: someone's house down, and they and if they just lean
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  Speaker 6: into that, like keep like they've already got like the
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  Speaker 6: bedrock of a great story that they started telling a
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  Speaker 6: couple months ago with hangm in well, yeah, with Hangman
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  Speaker 6: being forgiven by the fans and MGF actually being jealous
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  Speaker 6: because deep down he wants loved by the fans too,
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: but they won't let it give him a pass on anything.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: Just yeah, go with that. I'm really excited to see
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: what they do.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: With Okay, yeah, I can see that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Have they announced for sure MJF versus Hangman Antam Paige
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: for Forbidden Door. I don't think they have yet, have
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: they No, I don't think they have. Do you think
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: that they should do that match Afterbidden Door?
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: No?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I don't either.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: No, I don't either.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: I was just gonna say I think that's an all
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: out thing.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really do.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Go ahead, Kelson, I'm sorry.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: No, I was just gonna say, as Shade said, MGF
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: is the CMLL World Men's World Champion. It's actually the
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: lightweight champion because I don't think CMO has heavyweights, so
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: her world championship is literally called the World Lightweight Championship.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: He's defending that championship Friday night in Arena Mexico against
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Zendikin Junior. And I don't know if you saw the
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: graphic for the card for that shoe, but it's it's hysterical.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but CMOL needs to get somebody that I
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: don't know if they were trolling or what, because MJF
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: on the graphics is a full body picture of m
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: JFF and Xandikin Jr. On the graphic on the match card,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: and MGF looks like your typical bored Jewish American. I
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: just do not know a better way to put it.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry if it offended somebody, but it is hysterical
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: and Xandikin looks like his head was chopped off, moved
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to his right shoulder and pasted back on. It's hysterical.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: I've just I've just posted it in the chat.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I had a look it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I tell me, tell me what I'm telling lies.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, come on, it looks like an AI version
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: of m JF. I'm not gonna lie.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the prompt post a w former aw World
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: champion MGF looking pissed off and board at the same time,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and then post uh the challenger Zendikin Jr. Deformed. This
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: is awful because look, you know, people have been saying
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: that it's gonna maybe be even MGF and Mystico at
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Forbidden Door. I don't even think that's gonna happen, because
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Arena Mexico was having their ninety second anniversary show after
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Forbidden Door, like a week or ten days after that.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I think that's where that's gotta happen, because.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: NJF cannot drop that belt to anyone else but Mystico,
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: and he can't drop it anywhere else but Arena Mexico.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I agree. I agree with you. If go ahead, what if.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: Hangman beat MJF for that belt because CNLL loved Hangman
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: and wanted to do some programs with him, and and
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: there after that big Arena show, they loved him.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: So what if he took that belt.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: From him and made him look, you know, and then
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: added that little spice, and then he could be a
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: double champ. I don't mind him being a double champ
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: because it won't be because CML doesn't do that many shows,
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: but just use that spice a little bit to piss
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: off MJF.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: And I think you would torpedo that the the MJF
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Mystico program if you did that, because that thing is really.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: In my opinion, I don't want to say we've already
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: seen it.
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: But.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, one thing that they can
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: do is have the Mystico and MGF match at the
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: ninety second anniversary show of CMLL and then run it
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: back a rematch at the next aw pay per view,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: where again Mystico will win how Misco win. Tutor. Look,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: you can say as much as you want about the
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: character of MGF, but I think one thing that he
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt as he
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: is a professional and he puts people over.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, but you can't get over more than that
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: entrance theme let alone. Uh, Mostiko himself, he's an amazing
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: wrestler and he deserves to be put over.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: I wish he would do more stuff in AW.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean just chime in. So as far
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: as MJF and Hangman go, I think the important thing
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: will be not to rush things because you are talking
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: about and I hate to use this example because we
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: talked about WW so much, but you're basically talking about
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: the Sena and Orton of this generation of AW. This
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: is gonna This has the potential to be an ongoing,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: pretty much forever rivalry between two of the freaking cornerstones
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: of AW. And that's what you want. You want that
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: you want. You want these these these major characters who
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: have historical significance to the company, to have this tension
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: and to have these stories with each other. So that's
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: why I agree they shouldn't meet it forbidden door. Maybe
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: they shouldn't even meet it all out. I don't know,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: but all I know is I just don't want to
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: see him rush it. And I think that's probably my
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: best advice.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there's something that's going to be
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: a long term thing. I really do think that mister
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Cohen MGF is more interesting than MGF hang Manana page
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: right now. I really do, because it's got the story
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: behind it. They've not only done this in Mexico, they've
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: done it in the United States, and they've done it
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: in different promotions. So, by the way, I missed moder earlier,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I just want to correct myself before I totally forget
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: At Buddy of the Bank, it was Cody Rhodes against
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Randy Orton, not John Cena, where I spoke earlier about
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: it and they danced around and didn't really touch each other.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I just want to make that correct. Go ahead, Shades Well,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Just saying, I really I think my respect level for
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: MJF has gone up with the way that he is
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: willing to go to CMLLL shows, to go to like
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: MLW shows, to go to these smaller promotions to further
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: these storylines on the grand scheme of things like would
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: you would you do you do you see any other?
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Do you see WWE talent going to you know an
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: MLW show for an angle? No an angle no, and
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: so I really I think you know a lot of
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: the things that AW is doing, like and I'll talk
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: about Mercedes Monet also, it's going to these bringing like
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: recognition and a little bit of notoriety to these other
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: promotions and maybe you would never even have thought about.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, that's a there's a there's a Polish indie.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, you know all Mercedes Monet is their
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: champion now, like and so you know, speaking of Mercedes
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: Monette and women's wrestlers, I think that's a good way
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: to dovetail into our next topic, which could get a
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: little spicy. I know I have a not obvious answer
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: for this, but I'll start. I'll throw it out to
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: you guys first, who so far is the best women's
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: wrestler of twenty twenty five.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: I have a one that may be a little underrated,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: but I'll let somebody else go ahead. They want to, oh,
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: go ahead, I'm gonna say Megan Vain. She's not a champion,
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: but she's acting like one. She puts on great matches,
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: she's done great with Penelope Forward, and she looks like
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: a freaking star. I'm waiting to see what pulled out
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: of her more than just tagging with the penelope forward.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: So that's my.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Choice, that's your choice. Yeah, any you have like a secondary,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: like more mainstream chorice, like a choice that would be
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: more expected, more expected, Yeah, you know, like the names
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: like that at the top of the cards, of the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: top of the top tiers, and the different promotions.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: A very good promo, and she's a very good wrestler. Okay,
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: she's doing her thing Ring of Honor, but I want
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: to see her eventually get away.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: From Ring of Honor.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: I think I'm going to have to go with maybe
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: this is the obvious choice, but Tony Storm.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a pretty good choice. I think that's a
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I think that's a safe choice. Is there any particular reason,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Jess though, why you're gonna say why you're saying Tony.
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: Storm, Well, not only is she talented in the ring,
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: she took a gimmick. And I think I mentioned this
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: like last week of the week before. I don't know
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: if anybody could have possibly gotten or expected this gimmick
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: to get as much mileage as she has with it.
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: Like at this point, I can't really imagine her doing
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: anything else, like, oh, she's an old tiny alm star
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: that's gonna last like a couple of months. No, she's
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: amazing at it. It's great, she's entertaining, she's engaging.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think. I don't think you're to get
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: any arguments about that.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Believe me a little bit.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: What about you, Kelson? Who's your best women's wrestler.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: For twenty twenty five? She actually, as I'm saying this,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: two days ago, she lost her first singles match in
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: over a year. But I'm going to say Saya Kamatani.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I do believe that she has a couple of things
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: working for her that other wrestlers do not. Number one
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: is that her presentation is just fantastic and she's a
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: great wrestler on top of that. But more importantly, she's
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the hardest working wrestler I've I mean, I think since
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I believe she's wrestled well over fifty matches this year,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: no other wrestler in Megan Baye Tony Storm have even
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: come close to that. So I appreciate the work rate
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and every one of her matches is great. And if
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, I believe, start and put it
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: up on their YouTube channel. From April twenty seventh. I
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: believe it was the career versus career match, Saya Kamatani
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: versus tam Nakano. You talk about a perfect match, from
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the entrances to the match itself to the ending. It
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: was the main event of the pay per view. The
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: way to pay per view ended was stunning. Go watch it.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: What about you, Shades, Well, I'm gonna come out of
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: left field a little bit, but maybe not quite so
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: far out of left field. For my money, the best
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: women's or so far this year it's Techla because she
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: has made an immediate impact in aw she I'm gonna
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: tell you, I get on Blue Sky, I get on
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: social media, people are posting about here, They're doing artwork
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: about her. Techla has connected with this audience in a
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: way that few, certainly few women coming in from outside
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: have And I think she has the potential to go
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: as far as they want to take her. And if
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: she were the one to beat Tony Storm, I wouldn't
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: shed a tear at all. I think I think the
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: sky is the limit for Tecla. Now, I don't think
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: she'll be the one to do that, but you know
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: they I think Julia and sky Blue being with her
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: is great, but ultimately, Tecla is the star like she's
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: she is the hot you know, the hot stuff in
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: the women's division right now, and I don't think that's
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: going to change anytime soon.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Page did you? Did you watch Tecla before she came
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: to AW No?
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: I hadn't. That's why. That's why I'm saying Techla now
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: because her arrival and the way that she's been presented
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: and the way that she's sort of just taken this
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: division by the Horns makes me think, Man, I need
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: to go back and watch Techla stuff. I need to
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: go see more of her.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, watch her last match and I do believe it's
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: also on YouTube. Techla's match. Last match. Oh, I can't
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: remember who was against was against somebody in Consonant Cosmic Angels.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I can't remember who it was, so you curs. I
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: can't remember. But anyway, that was a big stipulation match aades.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: It was really entertaining watch her battles with NAT's a
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: ploy star, like I mean, she's Techla in in Ardam
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: was her, she was the toxic Spider. But when she
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: came back to stardom in early twenty twenty four. She
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: presented herself as the idol killer and her goal was
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: to basically destroy all these girls, which is using her
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: words here, these girls with the cute, little, fake little
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: voices that tried to make all the perverts like them.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: That was her goal and that's what she went after
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: and that's what she did. And of course she ended
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: up getting into a battle with Tero Ocatta, who's the president,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: that's Startom's Tony Kahan, and kicked the shit out of
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: him and got herself fired, and that's how she ended
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: up in aw. I mean, it's a really interesting story.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: The only thing about you will find difficult on shades
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: is when you watch Tekla in stardom. She was clearly
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: not a top star and start she was a mid
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: carter and so she went out on her back put
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: it that way. So, yeah, she was not and and
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: do yourself a favor watch her promos because that's where
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: she really shined because she did them in English. And
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: she is one of the most foul mouth human beings
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I've ever heard of my life. They nobody, there is
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: no way that that's one of the things that you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: look at all these startup girls are very cute and
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: adorable and stuff. But they are foul mouthed. I mean
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: they get away with more bad language by far than
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: WWE and AW ever did combine w WCW two. I mean,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: there was one basically press conference. I've talked about it before.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Look it up. It's Tecla and NAT's a poy where
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: they just stood in front of each other and said
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: f you to each other over and over again. That
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: was it. That was the whole promo. So they just
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: stood there face to face and just said f you
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: for about forty five seconds back and forth to each other.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: That was it. And Juliet Carrie saying we're in the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: background just like squirming was It was great. Yeah, but tech,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: that's an interesting choice. Anybody else have other you know,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: other people they want to bring up, is like maybe
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: uh secondary, you know, people that should have recognition and
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: could possibly be like anybody.
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: Well, once upon a time, my choice would have been, like,
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: I mean, I haven't seen her work lately because I
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: don't watch WWE pretty much at all anymore, but I
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: would have said, Oscar, once upon a time I loved her,
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: I still do.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know what when you look at the
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: uh Greatness of Wrestling Subreddit, it's very very clear that
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: the favorite of at least to me, it's clear that
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: the favorite to get the Greatest Wrestling Subreddit on w
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: w e's roster is EO Sky as far as the
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: best women's wrestler on the on their roster. So what
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: about Mercedes Monette? How do you rank her in that
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: in this conversation? Did she there's top five? You know?
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's difficult to talk about Starry because
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I'm a big starting fan. But whenever you have this conversation,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: and we had this conversation at the great Nest Wrestling Subreddit,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and people agreed that Saya Kamatani is tops. But if
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: there's one wrestler that could possibly topple her, it would
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: be Sire. And that's somebody else that you should look
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: into Shades if you're if you want to get into
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: UH to just start him, look up Seria and Saya
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Kamatani and Starlight. But they have phenomenal wrestlers in And
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I forget who it was, but there was somebody at
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: our discord that said, oh no, it was somebody who
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: was a moderator at the Greatness Arrestling subreddit that was
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: talking Max. He used to talk, you know, used to
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: podcast with us here every once in a while. He's
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: really gotten in the start and he's totally addicted. He's like, you,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: you know these girls can go and they can't. So
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: what do we want to talk about next? You know
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: what this was? MK? You know, I'll let MK announce
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: this next one because this one was actually his idea.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: So and he's start bringing this up a few times,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: So go ahead, MK.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: I have look, I think they I think AW has
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: been around long enough and a lot of people AW
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: is gaining speed. A lot of ww ants are tired
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: of the product and they want to catch up. Well,
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: there's no way to catch up unless you go through
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: long when did you know? You catch up through all
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: the old stuff? And pay per views are on there
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: and that's great, but people don't want to take that time.
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: WW knows something right with videos or they used to.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: I haven't watched it a long time, but they need
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: to do some type of documentary or something that basically
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: shows what they've been through, who started and stuff like that.
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: I know you can't have Cody Roads in there anymore,
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: but you could have them talk about the Greatest Matches
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: and stuff like that and show you show quick clips
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: or or something for people to get a feel of
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: what aw is.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: In a nutshell, they are, I, well, it's not a documentary,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: but I coming out this sometimes fall I know because
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I just looked at it today, because I'm.
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: Planning on pre ordering it. Is this book is All Elite,
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: which is a book, and I'm sure they'll have it
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: audiobook form as well.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: I think a good thing. What my suggestion would be,
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: I think they should take some of their major stories
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: and sort of condense them and do YouTube videos. Like
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: you could have the story of Hangman Page and swer
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: of Strickland and have it be sort of a documentary
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: style YouTube video, and or the story of MJF and
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Adam Cole, or the story of the Elite, and you
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, take these sort of really formational stories, right, Sorry,
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: go ahead, but just do a separate video for each
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: of them so people can be like, oh, I want
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: to know why you know, people that there's all this
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: like stuff between Hayman and Swerve. Oh, I can go
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: watch and see how this all happened. Right, So people
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: can sort of pick and choose what they're into you know, yeah.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Well you know shades. It's interesting you said that because
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: you know there is a video about this timeline, the
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: entire timeline of Hangman Adam Pagents. We're strictly and the
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: only problem is that this is where your point is
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: excellent is that it's not condensed. It's the full thing.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: So you're looking at like what three three and a
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: half hours or something like that. I've seen videos today
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: aw done on YouTube. Then you pretty much got to
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: take a day off to watch.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: See. What I would do is I would take some
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: highlights from it, and I always have somebody like Excalibur and
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Taz and Tony about his shit, sit down and do
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: you like these interviews and have them interject and it's
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: like they'll there'll be a thing and then Excalibur will say,
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: you know, we couldn't believe what we were seeing when
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: he was house.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I love that idea. I love it.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: There used to be a guy on YouTube if I
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: remember if as like Tranquilo Club or something like that.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Who.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: Who did video like short maybe ten to fifteen minute
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: videos of stuff like that connecting thing and stuff like that, and.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: He did a great job.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: But if you have to Shake's point, if you had
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: some like Jim Ross, who's great at M reviewing and
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: he's losing a step in commentary, he could tell a
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: story because he's been there almost from day one, I believe, And.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Go ahead, just have him interject some comments like these
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: are two men who despised each other, like and just
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: you know, these little outside sort of comments to sort
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: of and.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Then show a video showing why they despised each other exactly,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: instead of showing an entire match and entire promos, you don't,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: you can do cliff notes versions. Yeah, I love it.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: And then if people want to watch the whole match,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: they can, you know, they can get on Max and
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: they can go back to that pay per view and
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: they can watch the whole match.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Put a link on the video saying this is where
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: you can go watch this match. This is where you
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: can go watch that match. Why not it's online.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: It also would drive people to Max, which would up
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: your subscriber. I'd say, I knew. Somebody comes in and
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: they watch a condensed Hangman versus Swerve timeline and then like, man,
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: I've got to see that Texas Death match. And so
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: then they get Max. They go subscribe so they can
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: go watch that pay per view where they had their
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Texas death match. You know what I'm saying.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I like the idea of the Cliff does
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: think because most people are into instant gratification, they don't
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: want to spend four hours watching something that they can
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: watch in three and a half minutes. Makes sense.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Well, I guess we'll open it up for potpourri. Now,
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: anybody have anything they want to throw into the box?
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Anyone? Not this time? Not this time? Well I will
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: go if you know. I brought this up earlier. But
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: look a w when they do their pay per views,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: basically the only advertisement that they have is DraftKings. Am
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I right? Or am I wrong? I mean they have
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: a DraftKings commercial on every pay per view that takes
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: about thirty five seconds, you know, and that's about it.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: And that's it, you know. But afterward, after they do
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: the pay per view, what they're doing the media scrum,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: why not put whatever Tony Khan is drinking, whether it's Starbucks,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Tim Horton's Dunkin Donuts or you know, Jack Daniels. I
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: don't know what the hell he has in that cup,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: but he presents it like it's if you look at it.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: He holds the cup in the same way every time,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: like it's got a brand on it. Can you imagine
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: how much money that AW could probably make just on
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: branding on Tony Khan's coffee cup or whatever he's drinking.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: I think one of the things that works against AW
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: is because they are so violent, and because they have
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: such graphic matches. Sometimes I think it probably makes some
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: sponsors inert, like queasy to be associated with it. I'll
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: just be very honest with you.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Jack Daniels. Put Jack Daniels on it. They can't complain.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: There you go, Yeah, exactly.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: He could be drinking coffee. They don't have to know,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Jack Daniels.
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: It's for the sickos.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: You've never seen Tony Kahan without a cap. He just
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: did a He just did an interview for My Mom's
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Basement that was like an hour long, and he held
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: that freaking cup the entire video. I watched the whole
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: damn thing. I was like, put the sucker down. He
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: was holding it up, and he's not just holding it
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: in his hand, He's holding it up like at chin level.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Who does that? Well, Tony Kahn, He's a walking billboard
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: with nothing on it.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: I'll uh, I'll just bring up something really quick. Today
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: or Tuesday, when we're recording this, the news broke that
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: at AW has re signed Daddy Magic Matt Minard to
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: a long term deal. And I cannot tell you how
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: good I think that is. Because Matt Minard, He's never
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: gonna be a main event wrestler, he's never gonna hold
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: a title, but he is a guy you can plug
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: into so many different spots. He can work in the ring,
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: he could be a manager, he can do commentary, he
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: can do backstage segments, he's on commercials. Like this is
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: a guy that no matter where you put him, he
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: gives maximum effort and the fans like him. And I
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: think you, honestly, I'm gonna bring a comparison. Daddy Magic
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: could be like the ur truth of ww or AW,
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: like he can buy you know, and like he's just
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: a guy that like you don't want too much of him,
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: but you bring him out every once in a while
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: and you let him do his thing, or you put
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: him backstage and let him talk to people, or you
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: let him manage Daniel Garcia and people eat it up.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: I think I am. I could not be happier that
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: he is staying with aw.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my nipples are hard. I don't know about anybody else's,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: but I will say this shades if they use him
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: on commentary. He's great on commentary, except for when he's
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: doing a Daniel Garcia match because I agree. Look, he
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: should come out to the to the announcer's table wearing
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: one Julia Hart's old cheerleader outfits because that's all he does.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Come on, Danny, Come on, Danny, my nipples are hard.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Come on, Danny. You know that's all he does is
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: is cheer on. Danny doesn't really do commentary, and it great.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to he. It greats on me.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: Is ianje ever coming back? I know he cool hand
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: and his partner.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: He actually did return for a brief period of time.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I know that Ruby Soho is training, and I think
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: because she's training, maybe Angelo Parker is maybe doing some
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: baby watching. I'm dad duty, but I believe Angela Parker
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: has had a couple of matches in the last couple
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: of months.
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: Oh very cool. I like him too.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: I like him a little satty magic, but that's just me.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: I would love to see two point oh get a run.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: I'm not. I'm not even joking, like even if it's
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: just ring of honor, Like I think number one, their
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: theme song is so damn good and also like they're
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: just like I think there's there's just untapped potential there.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: But I mean, obviously I don't think they're gonna be
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: like going against the Hurt Syndicate or anything like.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: That, right but right, Look, I posted the the Matt
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Monard re signing a long term deal on the aw
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: fan hub sabreddit, and I was shocked at the responses.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: I really didn't think. I didn't think there would be
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: negative responses, but we got a lot of responses to that,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: and people were like, we're picked fans at two point oh.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: We like Matt Man. I didn't think that he was
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: as well liked as he actually is, so that was
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: kind of surprising to me.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: I think he throws all of himself into his Daddy
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: Magic character, and people appreciate that.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Boy, he certainly does. I mean, he's a very uh
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: uh you know, you know, you cut diamonds with those things,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: and it is me he gives.
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: You sometimes all you got to do sometimes that you
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: gotta do is just be willing to commit to the
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: bit and and you can get over.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: So yeah, anybody else with a pot pourri, I guess
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I have something worth mentioning.
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: Okay, I may be late to the party here. It's
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: new to me because it just came across my feed
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: today at work. Adam Blomcia it has his own channel now,
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: after pretty much getting blacklisted from every other wrestling news channel,
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: he just like decided to make his own with Blackjack
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: and Hookers.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: I guess I don't know who that is, Oh my god,
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: Adam Blompier. Okay. So Adam Blompier started with What Culture, okay,
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: and he and all those like some of the original
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: sort of him and Adam Pacitti and you know, couple
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: of King Ross and a couple of other guys. They
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: all left and started Cult to Hollic. Well, shortly after
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: they started Cult to Hollic, it came out that Adam
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: Blompier was soliciting nudes from like fans, and so he
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: got fired from Cult to Hollick. And he stayed gone
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: for a little while, and then he came back. Who
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: was he doing it with, Jess? I think it was
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: wrestle Talk that's right. And I don't know why did
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: he get the boot from Wrestle Talk.
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: I think something of a similar nature came up, Honestly,
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: I can't. It was a while ago. I can't remember
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: the details that I'm pretty sure it was another thing involving,
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: you know, creeping on a.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Girl goes it's like the bits man of broadcasters.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: No, it's yeah, he has this sort of accusation levied
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: against him. So I'm trying to not I don't want
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: to dwell too long on it. But the sad thing is,
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: I kind of he's entertaining, but like, I don't want
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: to continue. I don't want to give him views if
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: he's going to be like using whatever status he gets
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: to try to like creep on women, you know, especially
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if any of these accusations
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: were involved underage women, but like girls, I guess let's
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: just call him with their underage girls. But uh, you know,
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: there's always that possibility. But so Adam Blancier back in,
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: I guess you just can't. You just can't get rid
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: of some people. They're like cockroaches.
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, well we'll speaking of accusations, Joey Ryan tried
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: to get back and wrestling, and he got booted quickly,
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: so oh god, that was fast.
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: They actually started another promotion started. Uh, they were going
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: to run a show the same night called f JR
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: for f Joey Ryan basically, and uh, I almost wish
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: they hadn't pulled him from the show, just because I
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: think the f JR show would have been so much
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: more well attended than his show. And I would have
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: loved to have seen that.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: It's weird. It's just weird.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: I meant, making his return and we've got Joey Ryan.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: I'm just waiting for Marty Scroll to come out of
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: the would work at some point.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I look at it. I mean, look when the brock
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Westerner came out, I mean iheard ww fans were, you know,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: very vocal in their disappointment. They really were. And it
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: wasn't because he's old and that he's a part timer.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: It's because it's embarrassing now to somebody that's created you know,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: you know, I agree, it's it's getting hard to watch
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: w W E A. To MJ's point when he was
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: talking about AW making documentaries or documentary documentary or documentaries
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: to help new fans, I'm seeing it all over the
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: internet where hey, I'm a WW fan and I want
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: to get into AW. What can I do exactly?
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: You know, multiple posts on Reddit, I've seen multiple social
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: media posts to that effect. So I think AW needs
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: to really think about what they can do to capitalize
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: on this and this sentiment right now, because the iron
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: is hot.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when you look at it, last week
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: got all nearly one hundred thousand more viewers than the
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: week before. It was the second highest total this this year.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Sure it's not. And we're only talking about TV, not
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Max included. And I don't want to get into the
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: MAX thing because people they a while ago back at
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: I think it was February, maybe it was early March,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: they came out that and said that the average viewer
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: viewership on MAX is about five hundred k, give or
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: take all. Right, well, keep in mind that that was
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: five hundred k. That's great, But you can't just say, oh,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: AW did seven hundred on TV at five hundred k
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: to that they did one point two million. That is
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: not how it works. That is not Sometimes it will
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: go up, sometimes it will go down. But you can't
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: just add a number that you made up in your
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: head or go in February twenty twenty five and apply
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: it for August twenty twenty five. That is not how
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: it works.
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: No, but I think it probably is reasonable to conclude
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: that between cable and streaming, AW probably hovers somewhere between
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: eight hundred and fifty to nine hundred thousand every week.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: I would say that's probably a reasonable conservative number.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: You know, I think you're right, and I think that
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: I you know, I respect that decision. I mean that
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: I respect that number that you said. But you said
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: I think it's reasonable. You didn't say I know it is.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: There are people that say, I know that they made
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: they got one point too, because they get seven hundred
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: thousand on TV and they automatically add the five hundred
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: k for Max. That's not all.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: Everyone's suddenly an expert on you know, television ratings and
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: everything you know on the internet.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: So everybody's a meltzer.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Well, now that we've really covered everything, I think that's
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll be back tomorrow night after Dynamite, right
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: after Dynamite in the AET channel on Discord for our
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: AW Dynamite review. Also make sure you do the live
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: chat with us on the AW fan hubsub reddit had
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: on the wrestling Hub discord. The links will be in
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: the description of this podcast. Thank you guys for coming.
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: This is Kelson and this just shades the vibe. Good
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: night Eddie Kingston. Please shave your beard.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Got that beard? Oh my god, I just see Chicken.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I see Chicken just stuck to
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: his beard all the time in my mind. Uh yeah,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: good night everybody.