Latest / The Front / Why Bruce Lehrmann says he’s not a violent rapist
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- 0:05Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
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- 0:47Speaker 1: dot Com dot Au. Bruce Lemmon is back in court,
- 0:53Speaker 1: this time trying to overturn a finding of rape. As
- 0:56Speaker 1: his lawyer claims he's Australia's most hated man today The
- 1:01Speaker 1: Reasons Lahman says he is not a violent rapist.
- 1:11Speaker 2: This episode contains descriptions of sexual assault. If you need help,
- 1:16Speaker 2: call one eight hundred respect. Is there such a thing
- 1:21Speaker 2: as non violent rape? Doesn't matter if the victim is
- 1:25Speaker 2: bruised and battered or if she repeatedly says no. Is
- 1:29Speaker 2: there a real difference between an alleged rapist knowing their
- 1:32Speaker 2: target doesn't consent or being reckless as to whether they
- 1:36Speaker 2: consent or not. These are some of the big issues
- 1:41Speaker 2: being thrashed out before the full Bench of the Federal Court,
- 1:44Speaker 2: where former Liberal staffer Bruce Lhmon is appealing a judgment
- 1:48Speaker 2: that found he had, on the balance of probabilities, raped
- 1:51Speaker 2: a fellow staffer, Brittany Higgins inside Federal Parliament in twenty nineteen.
- 1:57Speaker 1: Laman has always denied wrongdoing.
- 2:01Speaker 3: He's pretty much become a national joke. He's Australia's most
- 2:05Speaker 3: hated man.
- 2:08Speaker 1: That's a voice actor reading the words of Zally Burrows,
- 2:12Speaker 1: the lawyer representing Bruce Lammon. She's a solicitor and she
- 2:16Speaker 1: started her appeal before the full Bench of the Federal
- 2:18Speaker 1: Court by apologizing that it was her and not a
- 2:21Speaker 1: senior barrister appearing before them. Burrow said Lemon couldn't afford
- 2:26Speaker 1: to engage his preferred silk Guy Reynolds sc just as
- 2:31Speaker 1: Michael Wigney, presiding alongside Justice Craig Colvin and Justice Wendy Abraham,
- 2:36Speaker 1: said he was sure Burrows would stand up admirably to
- 2:39Speaker 1: the opposing Silks, But as Burrows got started, it became
- 2:43Speaker 1: clear that judges were confused as to exactly what she
- 2:47Speaker 1: was arguing. One of Lemon's grounds of appeal is that
- 2:51Speaker 1: he was denied procedural fairness. The Project program on Network
- 2:55Speaker 1: ten aired an allegation Lehman had forcefully raped Higgins, pinning
- 3:00Speaker 1: her down while she repeated the word no. Justice Lee
- 3:04Speaker 1: found that, on the balance of probabilities, Lamon was reckless
- 3:08Speaker 1: as to whether the very drunk Higgins was consenting or not.
- 3:11Speaker 1: He found that Higgins's account of the encounter was not
- 3:15Speaker 1: entirely accurate, but that overall he believed she had been raped.
- 3:20Speaker 1: Burrows is arguing that Justice Lee couldn't find that Lehman
- 3:23Speaker 1: was reckless as to whether or not Higgins consented because
- 3:26Speaker 1: that question of recklessness wasn't properly put to Lemon. In
- 3:31Speaker 1: cross examination during the trial. When he was in a
- 3:34Speaker 1: witness box, Lehman simply denied there'd been any sex at all.
- 3:39Speaker 1: You'll hear a voice actor for the presiding Judge Michael
- 3:42Speaker 1: Wigney first, and then Justice Craig Colvin.
- 3:48Speaker 4: Just so I understand where this is going. The essence
- 3:50Speaker 4: of your argument is that his honor found that in
- 3:53Speaker 4: terms of your client state of mind, it was recklessness
- 3:57Speaker 4: as to consent as opposed to knowledge of absence of consent.
- 4:01Speaker 4: And you say that the case involving recklessness was not
- 4:05Speaker 4: part of the pleted case. Is that your argument in
- 4:08Speaker 4: a nutshell?
- 4:09Speaker 3: No, what we are saying here is the actual allegations
- 4:13Speaker 3: as to the sequence of events of how the rape occurred,
- 4:17Speaker 3: how it was pleaded as a violent rape. When mister sorry,
- 4:20Speaker 3: when his honor found that it was a nonviolent rape,
- 4:24Speaker 3: he found a completely different type. I'm not sure he
- 4:27Speaker 3: found a nonviolent rape, and I'm not sure that that's
- 4:29Speaker 3: a concept that I understand.
- 4:32Speaker 1: Justice Wigney kept trying to understand exactly what Burrows was saying.
- 4:38Speaker 4: Is your case that unless every single one of those
- 4:41Speaker 4: particulars was made out and the primary judge was satisfied
- 4:44Speaker 4: of them, that somehow the case went outside the pleadings.
- 4:49Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying, Yes, sir, Look, if there's
- 4:52Speaker 3: allegations of a very serious criminal nature being made against
- 4:56Speaker 3: my client, he's entitled to know exactly the full particular
- 5:00Speaker 3: the allegations. If it's an indictment, it's.
- 5:02Speaker 4: But that's all there. There's pages of particulars. The primary
- 5:06Speaker 4: judge wasn't satisfied that all of those particulars had been
- 5:10Speaker 4: made out, but nonetheless was satisfied that it was recklessness.
- 5:15Speaker 4: What's unfair about that?
- 5:17Speaker 3: Take away the recklessness as to whether she was consenting.
- 5:20Speaker 3: It was the manner and the way of the rape
- 5:23Speaker 3: was described.
- 5:24Speaker 4: What difference does it make?
- 5:25Speaker 3: He was taken surprise as too.
- 5:27Speaker 4: How was he taken by surprise?
- 5:29Speaker 3: Mister Limman didn't realize that the version of rape was
- 5:32Speaker 3: considered or contemplated until he was attending the judgment for delivery,
- 5:37Speaker 3: and he heard that version then, but throughout the trial
- 5:40Speaker 3: it was a totally different type of rape that was
- 5:42Speaker 3: put to him.
- 5:44Speaker 1: She gave examples of claims by ten that she said
- 5:47Speaker 1: Justice lead didn't accept, including that the sexual intercourse was forceful,
- 5:52Speaker 1: that Higgins cried out no, no, no on a loop,
- 5:55Speaker 1: that Higgins was pinned down on the sofa, and that
- 5:57Speaker 1: she was awoken by a sharp pa in the thigh.
- 6:02Speaker 4: It's a procedural fairness argument, is that right?
- 6:05Speaker 3: Yes, so that's correct.
- 6:08Speaker 1: The judge kept trying to get to the bottom of.
- 6:10Speaker 4: It, as I understand that your client's case at trial
- 6:14Speaker 4: was that there was no sexual intercourse whatsoever.
- 6:18Speaker 1: He pointed out that during the trial, when Lehman was
- 6:21Speaker 1: asked whether he sought Higgins's consent, his own barrister objected
- 6:26Speaker 1: to that question on the basis Lemon denied there'd been
- 6:29Speaker 1: any sex at all.
- 6:30Speaker 4: So what did you expect that he would have been
- 6:32Speaker 4: asked in those circumstances in cross examination, particularly in light
- 6:36Speaker 4: of that objection, If it was put.
- 6:38Speaker 3: To mister Limban the particular type of sexual assault and
- 6:42Speaker 3: the particular events of how he's found, perhaps mister Lhbman
- 6:46Speaker 3: may have called other witnesses, Perhaps he would have given
- 6:49Speaker 3: evidence to a different It's hard.
- 6:51Speaker 4: To His case was clear there was no sexual intercourse,
- 6:55Speaker 4: So how could he have been questioned about the particular
- 6:58Speaker 4: circumstances in which it curred. It could have been cross examined,
- 7:02Speaker 4: but he would have kept on saying there was no
- 7:05Speaker 4: sexual intercourse.
- 7:06Speaker 3: No, your honor, I can't make that admission concession. If
- 7:09Speaker 3: you put to someone allegations of a violent nature and
- 7:11Speaker 3: then another case where it's not so violent, you don't
- 7:14Speaker 3: know what the answer is going to be. In respect,
- 7:17Speaker 3: it comes down to it's really seriously unfair denial of natural.
- 7:22Speaker 1: Justice coming up what the other side says about all that.
- 7:44Speaker 1: Matthew Collins Casey, representing Network ten, said Borrow's submissions to
- 7:48Speaker 1: the court were astonishing. Colin said there was no challenge
- 7:52Speaker 1: to the judge's essential findings that sexual intercourse took place
- 7:56Speaker 1: and that Britney Higgins did not consent.
- 8:00Speaker 5: End of the day, this was a defamation case, not
- 8:03Speaker 5: a rape case. Mims Higgins was found not to have
- 8:06Speaker 5: consented to sexual intercourse, and it was accepted that mister
- 8:10Speaker 5: Lahman knew she was intoxicated. The ordinary person would consider
- 8:15Speaker 5: that to be a rape.
- 8:19Speaker 1: Collins ripped into the submission that there was a difference
- 8:22Speaker 1: between different types of rape depending on whether or not
- 8:25Speaker 1: there'd been violence or the victim had actively fought off
- 8:28Speaker 1: the attacker.
- 8:30Speaker 5: In our submission, it's obviously rooted in historical misconceptions. Both
- 8:35Speaker 5: involve an abhorrent violation of bodily autonomy, and both are
- 8:40Speaker 5: apt to cause grave trauma.
- 8:43Speaker 1: I mean justice, Wigney interrupted.
- 8:46Speaker 4: In other words, all rape is violent.
- 8:48Speaker 5: All rape is violent. This case involved a violent rape
- 8:53Speaker 5: when one puts oneself in the position of the victim,
- 8:56Speaker 5: which is just appalling. She is not fully aware of
- 9:00Speaker 5: her surroundings when the act begins. She then becomes aware
- 9:04Speaker 5: of the surroundings on his honour's findings, she can't get
- 9:08Speaker 5: the words out to scream or resist. The act continues
- 9:13Speaker 5: to climax, and the perpetrator then leaves without a word.
- 9:18Speaker 5: Those circumstances are awful, and what they show is that
- 9:23Speaker 5: the sting of the imputation resides in the fact of
- 9:26Speaker 5: the sexual intercourse without consent, not in any details associated
- 9:32Speaker 5: with it. And if mister Lehman's contention were to be accepted,
- 9:36Speaker 5: it would follow that although he raped miss Higgins in
- 9:40Speaker 5: appalling circumstances, he should be entitled to damages because when
- 9:45Speaker 5: she woke up mid rape, Miss Higgins didn't cry out no, no,
- 9:51Speaker 5: No on a loop.
- 9:53Speaker 1: Colin's slated Burrows suggestion that Laman would be entitled to
- 9:57Speaker 1: financial damages if the original find were overturned.
- 10:02Speaker 5: In our submission, a man who rapes a woman he
- 10:06Speaker 5: knows to be seriously intoxicated, who is not fully aware
- 10:10Speaker 5: of her surroundings at the time of the commencement of
- 10:13Speaker 5: the rape, who continues raping her when she becomes aware
- 10:17Speaker 5: of his surroundings, and that he is on top of
- 10:20Speaker 5: her and inside her, and who then leaves her in
- 10:24Speaker 5: the office of a Minister for the Crown in a
- 10:27Speaker 5: state of undress that is not a man with any
- 10:31Speaker 5: reputation in respect of sexual morality that would warrant compensation.
- 10:39Speaker 1: The fallout from this story caused a serious rift between
- 10:42Speaker 1: Network ten and its then biggest star, Lisa Wilkinson, who
- 10:46Speaker 1: presented the Bombshell interview where Higgins made her allegation of rape.
- 10:50Speaker 1: Wilkinson is represented by Sue Chrysantheusc. She said this question
- 10:55Speaker 1: of recklessness wasn't important to the original audience in this
- 10:59Speaker 1: day and a to an audience of the project in
- 11:02Speaker 1: February twenty twenty one, there is no difference in substance.
- 11:06Speaker 1: The court has read a letter that indicated Higgins and
- 11:08Speaker 1: her lawyers refused to cooperate at all with Wilkinson's defense
- 11:12Speaker 1: to Bruce Lammon's defamation claim because they didn't want to
- 11:15Speaker 1: work with Sue Chrisanthu. So in the original trial, Higgins
- 11:19Speaker 1: gave evidence for Ten, but not for Wilkinson, even though
- 11:22Speaker 1: they were all supposedly on the same side. Chris andthew
- 11:27Speaker 1: told the full bench on Wednesday, when Matt Collins was
- 11:29Speaker 1: cross examining Bruce Lahman, he was bound to stick to
- 11:32Speaker 1: the facts as Higgins had outlined them. That is, it
- 11:35Speaker 1: was a forceful rape. We at no point in the
- 11:39Speaker 1: trial bought into the full narrative given by Miss Higgins.
- 11:45Speaker 1: The appeal hearing continues next week. There'll be a judgment
- 11:52Speaker 1: in another matter that has spun off from Brittney Higgins's allegations,
- 11:55Speaker 1: the defamation claim brought by her ven boss, former Coalition
- 11:59Speaker 1: minister Linda Reynolds. Subscribers to The Australian we'll find out
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