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XRP A.I. Agent Game Characters!🔥Zerpmon️ CEO INTERVIEW · The Paul Barron Crypto Show

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Let's get into AI agents and today we're going to
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  Speaker 1: what it looks like.
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  Speaker 1: want to of course bring on our guests and this
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  Speaker 1: is Shn Morcombe who is the CEO of Genie Games.
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  Speaker 2: You might know it is Zartman. So great to have
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  Speaker 2: you on the show. Shn. How are you, thanks, Paul.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm doing well.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, How are you excellent? Doing fine?
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to dive in a little bit deep
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  Speaker 1: first fall. You guys of course launched. I think most
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  Speaker 1: people will probably recognize Zerpman as you know, if you're
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  Speaker 1: in the XRP ecosystem, you probably already know this. But
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  Speaker 1: also within Web three, our Gen three games you've got
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  Speaker 1: in the trade Versus is kind of the Magic EATN
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  Speaker 1: alternative and then also Untamed Aisle, so a lot of
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  Speaker 1: new products within it.
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  Speaker 2: With what you guys are.
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  Speaker 1: Doing, first of all, why you know, especially with the
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  Speaker 1: Ontai Miles scene we'll talk about in a second, but
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  Speaker 1: give us kind of a rundown on what you guys
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  Speaker 1: are doing.
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  Speaker 3: We started in twenty twenty one when there was the
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  Speaker 3: first amendment for NFTs on the xp ledger, and we
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  Speaker 3: saw a lot of value in utilizing NFTs and on
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  Speaker 3: chain tokens on the xop Ledger. And we've also had
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  Speaker 3: a lot of support working alongside Ripple to empower these
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  Speaker 3: these these games. You know, we've got a very global community.
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  Speaker 3: Our second largest playbase is in Japan and Korea, and
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  Speaker 3: we've seen a massive amount of on chain DApp participation
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  Speaker 3: and token punchesipation and via gaming. I think the gamification
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  Speaker 3: is an extremely powerful way to incentivize daily, active, unchain
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  Speaker 3: participation rather than things like DeFi, which can often be
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  Speaker 3: seen as sort of set and forget in a way.
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  Speaker 3: So we try and embed gamification into everything that we build.
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  Speaker 3: In the beginning of twenty twenty four, we started working
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  Speaker 3: very closely with future Verse, which have the Route Network,
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  Speaker 3: and we worked with them to build the premiere NFT
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  Speaker 3: marketplace and native decks on their platform, and we've also
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  Speaker 3: worked with them on taking on projects like Untamed Aisles,
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  Speaker 3: which will be being launched on the Route network itself.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys are been busy and you look at
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  Speaker 1: the NFT collection. You can kind of go over here
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  Speaker 1: to XRP cafe and there's theirmand right there. But one
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  Speaker 1: thing that was kind of surprising to me is how
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  Speaker 1: well the performance was, especially I mean, this being the
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  Speaker 1: premiere NFT collection within the XRP ecosystem. How do you
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  Speaker 1: think that was and how did it become so resilient
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  Speaker 1: during the bear market.
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  Speaker 2: What was the reason for that?
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  Speaker 3: You know, personally, I come from background in game development
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  Speaker 3: and game design, and you know, I attribute it to
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  Speaker 3: the game being fun. It did not need NFTs, it
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  Speaker 3: did not need tokens, but we were able to use
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  Speaker 3: that to enhance the gameplay. We were able also we
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  Speaker 3: released the game in a very early state and worked
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  Speaker 3: alongside the community and community feedback. This was how we
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  Speaker 3: were able to develop such a strong and loyal community.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, we zupmon has contributed to the largest amount
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  Speaker 3: of secondary NFT sales during twenty twenty four and we're
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  Speaker 3: really proud of how much the community has grown. And
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  Speaker 3: also globally, I think with how big XP is over
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  Speaker 3: there in places like Japan and Korea, it makes a
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  Speaker 3: lot of sense for us to incentivize on chain xpl
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  Speaker 3: participation via gamification as well.
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  Speaker 1: This is a tweet you guys put out we think
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  Speaker 1: put up entering the open Internet, you know agents now
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  Speaker 1: that you'll be able to build and own. What does
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  Speaker 1: that mean for you guys? Where do you think this
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  Speaker 1: is going to help you?
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  Speaker 3: As we've been working with us for over a year now,
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  Speaker 3: we've actually been working using the non fungible intelligence palette
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  Speaker 3: on the Route network already, which is the core, the
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  Speaker 3: core aspect behind the new Think protocol. So we are
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  Speaker 3: in our one of our new agent deploying platforms that
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  Speaker 3: we're launching called Agent dot Run we are utilizing the
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  Speaker 3: what is now known as the THINK protocol, but we're
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  Speaker 3: really we're using the non fungible intelligence palette on the
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  Speaker 3: Root network, and we're using that to give all agents
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  Speaker 3: and tokens launched via the platform a genome and a matrix.
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  Speaker 3: And this is fuch of us like to refer to
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  Speaker 3: as the underlying DNA of agents and allow user to
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  Speaker 3: interpret that data in different ways and change the emotional
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  Speaker 3: and skill palette of these agents themselves. So the THINK
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  Speaker 3: protocol is very powerful from the perspective that it can
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  Speaker 3: sit underneath a lot of these acting open source agent
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  Speaker 3: frameworks which are becoming extremely popular and use right now.
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  Speaker 3: So just spent the last working with the new THINK
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  Speaker 3: team and hy network and I think it's it's really
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  Speaker 3: massive for the what was formerly the ASM protocol. I
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  Speaker 3: think it's a really good step in the right direction
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  Speaker 3: for the concept that they want this to become a
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  Speaker 3: standard for the AI agent future. I think is definitely
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  Speaker 3: a step in the right direction.
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  Speaker 1: It's really going to open up the opportunity for a
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  Speaker 1: AI agents to be much more interactive, which I think
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  Speaker 1: is one of the things that we're going to see
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  Speaker 1: across a lot of different gaming opportunities here, especially in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five with AI agents becoming such a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: So good move on you guys. You look beyond that
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  Speaker 1: and you think about the other acquisition that you did
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  Speaker 1: with Untamed Dials, you know, so there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: strategy that you guys have put together here, obviously in
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  Speaker 1: line with Root.
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  Speaker 2: Where is that going?
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  Speaker 1: Can you kind of, you know, kind of weave through
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  Speaker 1: to Untamed Dials, Why the acquisition, what it's going to
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  Speaker 1: do for you guys.
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  Speaker 3: Untamed Dials is a three D creature collecting style game,
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  Speaker 3: originally a MMO. Let's help revive this game, launch it
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  Speaker 3: on the Route network, and we can bring in both
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  Speaker 3: our existing IP from zupmon, integrate that and also integrate
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  Speaker 3: our existing and passionate community. So it was very natural
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  Speaker 3: from that perspective. We're taking the IP which is right
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  Speaker 3: now in the form of two D cards, and we're
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  Speaker 3: building it into a fully three D game, which is
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  Speaker 3: a extraction style creature collecting game, blending a few different
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  Speaker 3: genres which we're all very passionate about. And again we're
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  Speaker 3: taking the concept of we're building this out as a
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  Speaker 3: game which could and we believe would be enjoyed if
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  Speaker 3: it had no blockchain or crypto integration whatsoever. And then
• 7:03
  Speaker 3: we're using things like the Root network to enhance aspects
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  Speaker 3: of it, such player ownership, monetizing rewards in eight secondary markets,
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  Speaker 3: things like that. But it was a very natural fit
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  Speaker 3: for us, and you know, using a variety of future
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  Speaker 3: versus AI within the Gulf. Both from the development standpoint,
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  Speaker 3: we're using things altered state AI for three D generation,
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  Speaker 3: So it's a upful tool for us to take a
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  Speaker 3: two D card image, run it through an altered state,
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  Speaker 3: and we're able to generate three D asset, which is
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  Speaker 3: not game ready hunt when it's generated. But integrating that
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  Speaker 3: into the workflow of a three D designer will cut
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  Speaker 3: down the time it takes for them to go from
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  Speaker 3: a two D card to a three D asset by
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  Speaker 3: you know, seventy five eighty percent. Yeah, there's a great
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  Speaker 3: example of Aaron show the altered state tech. So it's
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  Speaker 3: really you know, we also get to use some of
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  Speaker 3: the we get to use things like think Protocol into
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  Speaker 3: then integrating into the NPCs and the characters and impacting
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  Speaker 3: game experience for the players itself, all into untamed aisles
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  Speaker 3: which will be launched on the Route network later this year.
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  Speaker 1: Is this something that would go you know, I guess
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  Speaker 1: across all the ecosystem. Would this be on all of
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  Speaker 1: the the NFTs? Is that that just seems like that's
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  Speaker 1: a big project.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. So, you know, initially we're able
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  Speaker 3: to will be selecting like a sub set of will
• 8:36
  Speaker 3: be utilized in untamed aisles. But because we've got such
• 8:40
  Speaker 3: a backlog of IP with Sertmon, it means that we're
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  Speaker 3: really we're able to add new content to untamed aisles
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  Speaker 3: utilizing the existing IP and content we've created over the
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  Speaker 3: last years. But before Future Verse acquired it, it was
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  Speaker 3: actually in development for over two years and raised over
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  Speaker 3: two million dollars in a kickstarter, and we've actually got
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  Speaker 3: a massive pool of IP and content to both release
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  Speaker 3: on launch of the game and post launch as well.
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  Speaker 3: So we definitely will have to sort of pick and
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  Speaker 3: choose a little bit at first. But the idea of
• 9:16
  Speaker 3: having something like Altered Stay is from a game developer standpoint,
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  Speaker 3: like it's an insanely powerful tool that is cutting down,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the time it takes to integrate these three
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  Speaker 3: D assets and build these three D assets by seventy
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  Speaker 3: five eighty percent, So it's it's yeah, it's a very
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  Speaker 3: very powerful tool that I think as we see AI
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  Speaker 3: evolve over time and improve, it will get better as
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  Speaker 3: well and cut down more and more of the time
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  Speaker 3: and the human interaction when it comes to world building,
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  Speaker 3: asset building, all of that.
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  Speaker 1: So shin when you look at tokenized NPC's AI, NBC's
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  Speaker 1: I just will play a little bit of video here
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  Speaker 1: for it to give it kind of a showcase. But
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  Speaker 1: is this something that you feel like is going to
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  Speaker 1: happen soon? What's kind of the runway on this? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: So I mean personally, when we first interacted with chat GPT,
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  Speaker 3: you know, two years ago, now, the first thing, Wow,
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  Speaker 3: this is going to change the way that NPCs interact
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  Speaker 3: with in game. So yeah, we we think it's it's
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  Speaker 3: you know, insanely powerful, and we're very excited to be
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  Speaker 3: building that already into our games and experiences because we
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  Speaker 3: believe it will be one hundred percent the standard within games,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, using things like think protocol and non
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  Speaker 3: fungible intelligence, it allows us to easily integrate this into
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  Speaker 3: into games.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting, I want to go to a couple of clips
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  Speaker 1: here because this will give us a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: on kind of to where Niantic is going with Pokemon,
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  Speaker 1: but also when you look at what they've been able
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  Speaker 1: to do with AI agents as well.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to this first clip real quick.
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  Speaker 4: If you can do a lot of things you want
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  Speaker 4: to do through a voice interface, you don't necessary you
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  Speaker 4: need to pull your phone out of your pocket and
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  Speaker 4: stare at it. It's better and I think it's going
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  Speaker 4: to be a driver for the adoption of things like
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  Speaker 4: AR glasses, and you know, we're going to make games
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  Speaker 4: that take advantage of those glasses and probably those AI interfaces.
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  Speaker 4: In terms of the games themselves, you know, sky's a
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  Speaker 4: limit there in terms of characters that are driven by AIS.
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  Speaker 4: We've incorporated AI to one of our virtual pet games, Paradot,
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  Speaker 4: where there's an ELM sitting behind the logic of what this.
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  Speaker 2: Little animated cute character.
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  Speaker 4: Is doing, which is kind of wild.
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  Speaker 2: If there's this.
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  Speaker 4: Brain driving its activities. You know, you think about the
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  Speaker 4: roadblocks of the future, like if you want to build
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  Speaker 4: an ar If we wanted to have an experience where
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  Speaker 4: I could create a game in this room with characters
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  Speaker 4: and interactions, you know, elemms and you know, are really
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  Speaker 4: the glue and the enabler to allow a lot of
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  Speaker 4: that to happen.
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  Speaker 1: So that is the Niantic CEO. He's kind of given
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  Speaker 1: the plan here, which is pretty exciting because I think
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: we're going to see more involvement here in the reveal
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  Speaker 1: of the SDK. They're talking about AI agents and crypto.
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: Listen to this and then I want to get your
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: opinion on it.
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: Take a look. Can you show me the ticket price?
• 12:06
  Speaker 4: Of course, now let's just play the direction.
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  Speaker 1: Mission accompanies.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, I'll give you the reward for COMPLETI.
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  Speaker 1: So what we showed there was really kind of the
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  Speaker 1: SDK in action, which is kind of cool when you
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  Speaker 1: think about that, what Niantic has been able to do
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  Speaker 1: and you look at Web three gaming and the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: that exists out there. We laid out kind of a
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  Speaker 1: framework so Web three Pokemon Go kind of scenario with
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  Speaker 1: Zerpmond being you know, kind of leading there both on
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  Speaker 1: NFT and game assets, the potential here of really kind
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  Speaker 1: of forming what could be kind of a Web three
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  Speaker 1: Pokemon Go. So especially if you look at the tools already,
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: McDonald's has shown brand partnerships in this very you know
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: kind of scenario. What about something like that in the
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: future for you guys, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: One hundred. You know, I really believe that these AI
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: tools are empowering indie game development teams do more than
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: they could have imagined, you know, three four years ago, right,
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  Speaker 3: I think we're about a massive influx of high quality
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: gaming experiences built by indie game dev teams. You know,
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: we've seen indie games struggle in the traditional market for
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: the last you know, five to ten years, income into
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: the big Triple A studios, and I truly think ABI
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  Speaker 3: is changing that, right because that like an idea like
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  Speaker 3: that for us to take the current game and put
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: it into a fully ar AI integrated Pokemon Go Go
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  Speaker 3: style game. If you pitched that me three years ago,
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  Speaker 3: I would have said, yeah, that sounds really awesome, but
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  Speaker 3: we don't have the bandwidth to do something like that
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  Speaker 3: as a small indie team. Now, using these sort of tools,
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  Speaker 3: we can say, yes, you know, that is possible. That
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  Speaker 3: is something that we can do. And because of the
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: people who we work with, because of the tech that's
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: being built right now, it empowers small indie game developer
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  Speaker 3: teams like us, who focus on the game design elements
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  Speaker 3: to really actually build out products like this. So I
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: think it's the most exciting time, you know, in history
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  Speaker 3: to be a indie game developer team because the yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the power that's in our hands you from this technology
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  Speaker 3: is unseen in the game development world.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I think you hit it right there.
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  Speaker 1: The interesting thing in our I'll talk about this in
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  Speaker 1: a second with when we had Illuvium on the show
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  Speaker 1: just the other day.
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  Speaker 2: But to your point, you.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Know, two or three years ago, when a lot of
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: this was really developing, you guys were kind of setting
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: the groundwork for where you could be. Now the tech
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  Speaker 1: is so much further advanced. I can only imagine one
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: another six to twelve months is going to look like
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: in terms of opportunities with tools that this could go into.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: So when you look at that Shen and you think
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: about where Alluvium has been, I would say Alluvium has
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  Speaker 1: one of the best ips out there in Web three,
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  Speaker 1: just tremendous ip.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you think you guys.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Would succeed where Alluvium has pretty much I would say
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: failed in the sense of if you look at the
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: evolution of where they've come from, why do you think
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: you guys will succeed I.
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  Speaker 3: Think one of our strongest points as a team, and
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: one of the reasons why we built such a strong
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: community is we work very closely with the community during
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: the development period of our games and experiences, so we
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: use user feedback as the core sort of design framework.
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  Speaker 3: We work very very closely with the community to build
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: out the features and functionality that they want to see.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that revolves back to the idea of
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: the game needs to be genuinely fun at its core.
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  Speaker 3: If you stripped away everything to do with blockchain, NFT's crypto,
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  Speaker 3: the game needs to be fun. And if you have people,
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  Speaker 3: a community of people who would come and play the game.
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  Speaker 3: If none of that existed and none of that was
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: part of it, it still come and play that game,
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  Speaker 3: You've got something good at winner there. And I believe
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  Speaker 3: that that is what really helps set us apart from
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: others in the ecosystem.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's faster market, I mean, that's to me, that's
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  Speaker 1: one of the key cornerstones of really good technology anyway,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: is you do have to get you know, an MVP
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: out there as quick as you can, because you do
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: have to test it, especially when you have an ECO
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: is like what you guys have within that when.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Is the next Mint.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at your website right now, what about the
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: next Mint? When would we see it?
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: It will be later this month. So usually Mint new
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: cards once a month. We provide new cards which players
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: can then buy at a primary sale for two hundred
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: XRP each and these usually sell out in ten to
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. Every time we had, you know, throughout last
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: year we had a lot of mints which sold out
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: within a minute or two and then users are able
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: to sell these on the secondary on any secondary market
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: on the XRPL and we alsoe set of Zertmon which
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: exists on the Route network, and we're also currently working
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: with Future Verse to build out and release the NFT
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: bridge between the XPL and the Root network. We work
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: closely with them for on the token bridge and out
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: in game token for zmon. ZRP was the first the
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: first non Future Verse or non XRP token that was
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: bridgable between the two networks, and ZME NFTs will also
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: be the first non Future Verse NFTs which are going
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: to be bridgeable between both networks as well, and we
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: really believe that is the future of the xop ecosystem.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Is assets which can throw flow freely between all of
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: the xp ecosystem and utilize the fits of e XRP
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: integrated network. You know, next month it should probably be live,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: which is very very exciting for us.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, correct, Okay, all right, wow, that's pretty fast.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: What about phantom wallet, any any movement there for potentially
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: being able to get these kinds of assets into something
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: like a phantom wallet.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not too sure on that. We have been working
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: closely with gearan wallet though recently who they just read,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: which integrates both the XPL and the route network, and
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: it's actually the only wallet outside of Future Paths which
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: lets you bridge XRP and Route directly within the wallet itself.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: So we've been working closely with those guys to integrate
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: that into all of our platforms. And I love to
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: see mores becoming multi chain interoperable and allowing users to
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: easily move between the xop ecosystem. You know. I was
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: talking with with some of the DevRel guys that Ripple
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: just the other day about what we believe we'll be
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: seeing within the XRP ecosystem in twenty twenty five, and
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: my big thing is interoperability. We need to see more
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: interoperability for XOP assets within the entire XOP ecosystem. And
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: then you know, I think we're really headed towards you know,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: a similar a similar thing to looking at like ethereum,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: and you know all of the L twos, which every
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: single L two is bringing value back to eth right,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: And it's the same way that all of these XOP
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: integrated ecosystems, which all have unique use cases route network,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: EVM side chains are how all of these, as they
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: grow and gain adoption, come back to be fitting XRP.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: And I think that that is and that's what that's
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: what everyone's looking for, right, So I'm very excited for
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: a year of more interoperability within the XOP.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I think, yeah, I think just you know XRP ripple.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: They've kind of had their hands full here for the
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: last few years, so I understand the devs and you
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: know where that's going. We've had the teams on here
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: to really kind of break down some of this. We
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: just had XRPL on just the other day.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: But also ZERP.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know you get a ZERP on really
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: right now. XP markets kind of one of the few
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: places where you can grab it. What about a coinbas listing,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: you know, or a major exchange listing for on what's
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: that might look what would that look like? And is
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: it in the roadmap for this year?
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely en up for this year. I think that
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: the only issue with with pushing these these listings is
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: I have seen it have negative impacts on tokens. I
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: think that it's it's balance that is needed. I think
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: that one of the unfortunate things about the XPILL decks
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: is that it gets very segregated from a data perspective
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: from a lot of different platforms. For example like coin
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: get Go and coin market Cap, they'll only show an
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: XPILL token if it has a exchange listing, and it
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: will only show the data from exchange. Is not the
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: XPILL decks itself. Central exchange listings are awful, but for
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: me personally, I'm more excited to push the xrpl dex
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: integration from a data perspective into these different platforms. Something
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: which did happen recently is the integration of the xpial
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: decks into deck Screener, which is you know, really really
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: great and a really great step in the right direction.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I think we need to see the same thing happen
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: for the Root network and tokens on the Root network
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: as well. So yeah, I think we're definitely looking at
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: exchange listings, but also very passionate about the idea of
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: getting things like the native x uphild decks and the
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: native Root Network decks integrated into a lot more of
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: these platforms as possible, because I think that you know
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: me personally, I tend to avoid centralized exchanges, and I
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: think that.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I think though there's an argument for that, and I
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: think it's I understand what you're talking about, but I
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: think the scenario that the marketing play that that makes
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: for not only the community but just getting the brand
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: out there. The likelihood of trading happening over on those
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: is I would say very low, But accessibility changes the
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: dynamic of how projects can you know, kind of move
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: to next generation, especially if you think about r l
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: us D, because we're probably going to see Ripple USD
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: starting to play in as a trade pair, so that
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: in itself could be very interesting.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Very excited. Yeah, you're very excited for that, and I know,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: for example, the Route Network is in the process of
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: integrating url USD as we speak as well, so that'll
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: be usable on the Route network very soon, which I
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: assume will become the top stable coin on.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: That, no doubt. Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah all right, Shan, Hey, listen, I think you covered
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of your roadmap here. I was going to
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: ask you that, but I think you hit on all
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the things on deadlines that we were looking at least
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: in Q one. So we'll definitely be following you out
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: on X and seeing what you guys are up to
• 23:43
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• 23:46
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• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, thanks so much, Paul. It's really been a
• 23:49
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• 23:52
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