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Paranormal Debate - Haunted Dolls & Objects part 3 · Trapped Souls Podcast

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SPEAKER_02: Let's get on topic a little bit.
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SPEAKER_02: Dolls.
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SPEAKER_02: All right.
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SPEAKER_02: You have another question, Stephanie?
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SPEAKER_02: Are you done?
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SPEAKER_04: Yep.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, let's see.
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SPEAKER_02: Can I answer it now?
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SPEAKER_02: It's all bullshit.
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SPEAKER_00: Let me rebuttal.
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SPEAKER_00: No, it's not.
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SPEAKER_04: Have you ever been wrong about thinking a doll is haunted?
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unknown: No.
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SPEAKER_04: At a location, or just, you know, have you ever had an experience where you didn't think it was haunted and it was haunted?
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SPEAKER_04: Like it showed you.
0:39
SPEAKER_02: So I told you the story about the doll at my house.
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SPEAKER_04: Besides that one.
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SPEAKER_02: Besides that one.
0:45
SPEAKER_02: No.
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SPEAKER_04: Not at Madison, not at any location.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't pay attention to them.
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SPEAKER_02: People bring them in.
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SPEAKER_02: People have freaking good imaginations.
0:55
SPEAKER_02: They think shit's haunted.
0:56
SPEAKER_02: Just because a cat ball goes off next to a doll doesn't make it haunted.
1:00
SPEAKER_02: Just because a tripwire goes off, that's five feet away from it, doesn't mean it's haunted.
1:05
SPEAKER_02: And sorry, Stephanie, if the deadbell goes off during a a lot.
1:09
SPEAKER_04: Okay, well, I mean, I've seen them move.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay, so I'm just asking you never.
1:13
SPEAKER_02: I have not seen one move.
1:15
SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'm gonna tell you right now, I've never seen one move.
1:18
SPEAKER_04: I got some videos for you.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna send them to you when you're seeing them move.
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SPEAKER_02: Pinocchio style.
1:26
SPEAKER_04: I was actually just investigating one of them, and it was one of the ones that Sierra did.
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SPEAKER_04: A person at Wildwood has it now.
1:33
SPEAKER_04: And um I was just recording another doll, and I was like talking to it, and we were getting really good interaction, and then out of nowhere, that doll behind it just moved.
1:44
SPEAKER_04: It just moved out of nowhere.
1:46
SPEAKER_04: And then my dolls, um, sometimes when I'm not home, will fall off the top shelves by themselves and do things.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, I have to rearrange them because some don't like each other, so if they're touching each other, they'll just push one another off.
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SPEAKER_02: Um I mean so the issue with the dolls, okay.
2:04
SPEAKER_02: So I don't know, Ghost Adventures, it's garbage show.
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SPEAKER_02: Zach Bagans, you know, he believes he's possessed all the time, but they did what was that freaking Poltergeist house.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you guys watched that episode.
2:17
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: All right, that doll that fell off, the right catch patch kid doll that fell off at the end.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, I went back through that in the whole show.
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SPEAKER_02: They had a camera on that thing, it was leaning against a pole.
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SPEAKER_02: When it fell, it was three inches away from that pole and leaned the other way.
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SPEAKER_02: Unless that right that catch patch doll as scooted over three inches, then decided to fall.
2:44
SPEAKER_02: It was a setup, right?
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SPEAKER_04: I mean I think that people fake things like that.
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SPEAKER_04: I think that it would be easy for a loose doll to fall over.
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SPEAKER_04: We have them at the school, they fall over all the time, and I don't think it's paranormal, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, stuff happens.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, I have no one that you get knocked off the display, and like I I'm like, oh, that's crazy, but I'm not gonna rule it that they moved on their own, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Right, stuff happens.
3:13
SPEAKER_00: But I will say, like, there, I don't this tall one here.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you can see her back here.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, her name's Vicky.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, she fell over the other day, but it she didn't fall, she jumped three feet forward out of her stand.
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SPEAKER_00: That I'm like, how?
3:29
SPEAKER_00: Because if you fell, you would lean.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a trajectory if you use geometry, you know, of where she would fall in a parameter.
3:38
SPEAKER_00: And I'm a big, I'm a big math guy, like big math guy.
3:42
SPEAKER_00: So I I sat there and I drew it out.
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SPEAKER_00: I taped my floor and was like, cool, here's the math geometry style.
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SPEAKER_00: Here's the circumference of where she could fall.
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SPEAKER_00: She was way out of that.
3:53
SPEAKER_00: And see, that's where I'm like, okay, now I can't explain it.
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SPEAKER_00: The other ones, like I've had dolls fall off of some of these, these platforms up here.
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SPEAKER_00: Cool.
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SPEAKER_00: Did they move?
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
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SPEAKER_00: Did they fall?
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I yeah, I I agree with that.
4:08
SPEAKER_00: It's like just because it falls, I don't, I'm not gonna just rule it automatically.
4:12
SPEAKER_04: Okay, so if I handed you if I handed you two dolls and I said figure out which one is haunted, how would you do it?
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SPEAKER_00: First of all, you gotta and you have to do it, there's no not doing it, Ryan.
4:26
SPEAKER_00: You gotta isolate them and separate them.
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SPEAKER_00: Obviously, I like to put out equipment as I try to communicate or try to talk.
4:32
SPEAKER_00: I am not gifted in the sense of being psychic or medium.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, that's a topic, you know, I would love to talk about one day, but I don't I don't claim to be that way, and I don't practice that, and so I don't have those feels.
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SPEAKER_00: So for me, you know, it's a lot of explanation, a lot of equipment, a lot of, you know, using science and math, because again, it's research for me, and that's what how I look at it first and foremost.
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SPEAKER_00: So again, I would isolate them, put out equipment, try to communicate, see what they communicate with.
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SPEAKER_00: If they communicate with a device, try to see if I can set off the device to make it do the same thing, or see if I can make it say the same thing uh multiple times.
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SPEAKER_00: Try to explain, like, okay, did the device move because of X, Y, and Z?
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SPEAKER_00: Or no, these are I I I've exhausted every excuse I could make.
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SPEAKER_00: This this is this is haunted.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: You really want my answer.
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SPEAKER_04: You have to do it.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's a simple solution.
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SPEAKER_02: Which one screams when we rip its head off?
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, you don't do that.
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SPEAKER_04: You don't disrespect the dolls.
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SPEAKER_04: You're all about respecting spirits, and now we're ripping heads off.
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SPEAKER_02: Where are we all?
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SPEAKER_02: I don't believe they're haunted.
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SPEAKER_02: So they're not spirits, they're dolls.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, if one screams, I'll be like, my bad.
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SPEAKER_02: Sorry, hey Chewy, put this back together here.
5:58
SPEAKER_00: Oh god, and you're gonna say it.
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SPEAKER_00: That's fine.
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SPEAKER_00: You can send it to me.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll we'll deal with it.
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SPEAKER_00: That's all we deal with is is the spooky, the scary, and the nice.
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SPEAKER_02: That's a that's the that there you go.
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SPEAKER_02: That's a backstory.
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SPEAKER_02: That is a backstory.
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SPEAKER_02: Rip the heads off a doll at one screen.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there you go.
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SPEAKER_02: Paperwork.
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SPEAKER_00: That actually that actually is a normal occurrence that people have, that it's just bad occurrences, and they're just like, I don't want it, take it.
6:25
SPEAKER_00: I have somebody right now that's like, I'm having the worst time with this new doll.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna send it to you for free.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, okay, it's just gonna sit in our research room by itself for a few weeks.
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SPEAKER_02: What's it what's the percentage of dolls that you get if you put a number on it compared to that you believe are haunted or just nothing attached?
6:45
SPEAKER_00: So out of all the ones we have, we have right now 31 objects in total.
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SPEAKER_00: And I say objects because not everything's a doll up here.
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SPEAKER_03: Right.
6:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, we have 31 objects.
6:54
SPEAKER_00: Uh, technically there's 32.
6:56
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if Steph, because I haven't been live lately because we've been so busy traveling and trying to get investigations done and business contracts done and agreements done.
7:04
SPEAKER_00: But uh Jeffrey up here, the little jester in all black here, he had another jester sitting next to him.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so technically we had 32.
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SPEAKER_00: Now to answer the question you guys were answering previously as well, at the same time as answering your question now, is the reason I say 31 is because I am under the impression 1000% that just because it came with Jeffrey, it is not haunted.
7:28
SPEAKER_00: And I think it's more of like maybe Jeffrey has an attachment to it, like maybe it's his toy, maybe it's his comfort buddy.
7:34
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: But that I don't think that doll's haunted whatsoever.
7:38
SPEAKER_00: So we separated them um yesterday, and I had Ebony, the one of my team members, take it to her house.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so she has it there with her, the one that's not haunted, and I kept Jeffrey to see is there a negative interaction now, or is there now gonna be you know communication on the other end?
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SPEAKER_00: And so I uh yeah, I I will say th out of 31 or let's say 32, we only had the one doll so far that it 1000% we know we're pretty sure we're like convinced it's not haunted out of 32 objects from every from everything everybody has sent you.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, oh sent me wise, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: I thought you meant in general all of them.
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SPEAKER_00: Sent me wise.
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SPEAKER_00: No, I think it's the one because Jeffrey was sent to us with that doll.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it's just the one.
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SPEAKER_00: So far.
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SPEAKER_00: So far.
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SPEAKER_02: Next question.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, she froze.
8:36
SPEAKER_02: Next question.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, I didn't know that's what you said.
8:38
SPEAKER_04: Sorry.
8:39
SPEAKER_04: I was waiting for you to say that, but I didn't think that's what you said.
8:42
SPEAKER_00: Um the ring was spinning, she was processing.
8:45
SPEAKER_04: I was gonna say something, but I'm not gonna say it.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm not gonna say it on here.
8:49
SPEAKER_04: Um I was gonna ask for the next question.
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SPEAKER_04: What um what like what keeps a doll on a spirit attached to it?
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SPEAKER_04: Do you think that they can move on whenever they want, or do you think that they're trapped inside the doll?
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SPEAKER_01: Can they, you know, move on?
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SPEAKER_04: Can they hop dolls?
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SPEAKER_04: Can they change their vessel to a piano like Ryan wants them to be?
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SPEAKER_02: No, I mean, this is why we're on this podcast because this is some of the questions that I want asked, and I want to hear the answer because I have no clue.
9:29
SPEAKER_00: My aspect on it and my theory, because I talked about a theory about this question earlier, but I was like, oh, I'll get into it later.
9:35
SPEAKER_00: I'm glad you asked the question because now I can get into it.
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SPEAKER_00: My theory and my experience has taught me and has given me the belief that one, I do think that if a spirit, if it's a spirit or entity attached to an item, sure, they can move on to a different item or they can just move on entirely, but that is a decision, and you know what gets them to that point of the decision, I couldn't answer for you at this moment.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, when it comes to being in their vessel, from my experience and my understanding for my own theory, is that they are bound to these items, but when people hear that, they think, oh, it's in the doll, the doll, the doll, the doll, or the item, the item, the item.
10:20
SPEAKER_00: Wherever that item is, they can free roam that entire area.
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SPEAKER_00: They're not in the doll necessarily, even though they're attached to the doll.
10:29
SPEAKER_00: I like to use the metaphor for my theory, and again, this is my theory, my opinion, based off my experience in my study.
10:36
SPEAKER_00: The vessel is more like their ball and chain, and they can move freely within a certain distance from that item.
10:44
SPEAKER_00: Because again, going back to Annabelle, Annabelle at one point was locked back in the museum and everything, and we were away from her, and we were three floors up, and somehow she found her way all the way up the floor and started talking to us again.
10:57
SPEAKER_00: So they have a free roam parameter, in my opinion, um, but it stays within where the vessel is.
11:05
SPEAKER_00: Now, people may say, like, well, what if they go home with you?
11:08
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, okay, that I also have a theory on based off this theory, and that's it's more residual, you know, and something's that energetic.
11:17
SPEAKER_00: Sure, it can cling to you, but it's not actually them, it's just a piece of their fragmented energy.
11:23
SPEAKER_00: And the metaphor I would use for that is if you're not a smoker and you go to a cigar lounge with your friends, right?
11:29
SPEAKER_00: You go in, you don't smell like smoke, you don't smoke, but when you come out, you smell like smoke.
11:34
SPEAKER_00: What do you do to get rid of the smoke smell?
11:36
SPEAKER_00: You wash your clothes.
11:38
SPEAKER_00: I like, I know some people will say, Oh, well, you know, you can't get cigar.
11:42
SPEAKER_00: That's being too specific.
11:43
SPEAKER_00: But my point is, is it eventually wears off.
11:48
SPEAKER_00: And again, that's because of how much energetic energy can be placed with you or on you, or with anything you have, devices, other items, whatever the case, and it sure will feel like they're going home with you, and you experience them for a little bit and then they disappear.
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SPEAKER_00: It's because that energy dissipates.
12:05
SPEAKER_00: The reality of all that they are being-wise is ball and chain to their vessel when they are attached to vessels.
12:12
SPEAKER_00: I do think that that only applies to vessels, I don't think that applies to hauntings as far as locations, because that's a whole different topic.
12:20
unknown: Right.
12:24
SPEAKER_02: I have no answer.
12:26
SPEAKER_02: I was just listening to him.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, it sounds sounds correct.
12:30
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you know, that was the one topic we talked about.
12:35
SPEAKER_02: Are they the dolls possessed, or they just you know have an attachment?
12:39
SPEAKER_02: And most likely that thing's just an attachment to it, so they can't free roam.
12:44
SPEAKER_02: Um, I did an investigation the other day.
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SPEAKER_02: The lady had a donkey, and I'm like, really?
12:50
SPEAKER_02: You're bringing a donkey stuffed animal here?
12:52
SPEAKER_02: Like, okay, whatever.
12:54
SPEAKER_02: But she gave me the backstory of it.
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SPEAKER_02: It was a kid who died in a car accident.
12:59
SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: His gr his grandmother gave him that donkey.
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SPEAKER_02: And as a kid, what's the most comforting thing?
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SPEAKER_02: You know, you go to bed, you're squeezing your stuffed animal, especially when it's from a loved one.
13:12
SPEAKER_02: And that donkey survived the car accident and was given to the grandmother, and she said her stove was turning on, doors were slamming, cupboards were opening, not all at once, but throughout the time she had.
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SPEAKER_02: So she ended up giving it to this girl, Mandy, and uh that makes sense.
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SPEAKER_02: It more of an attachment because that brought comfort to that kid.
13:36
SPEAKER_02: And when you want, what was that?
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SPEAKER_00: I I just look every now and then because again, no, I heard something like I heard something too.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I heard something like talking or something.
13:48
SPEAKER_04: He has that all the time.
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SPEAKER_00: He has occurred when I put out the mini mics, these mics, I put them out everywhere.
13:54
SPEAKER_00: When they're out with the display, I've had people tell me on lives or on videos or even phone calls.
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SPEAKER_03: Something's definitely talking, yeah, yeah.
14:02
SPEAKER_00: It's it's a it's a normal occurrence over here.
14:04
SPEAKER_04: My dolls aren't comfortable talking on live with his dolls anymore because he has all these nasty things now, so they will not interact when we do TikTok lives together majority of the time.
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SPEAKER_04: We have everything, they used to do everything.
14:24
SPEAKER_00: I think they stopped talking when when we got the Dybig box.
14:28
SPEAKER_04: They they stopped talking immediately after that.
14:31
SPEAKER_02: I mean, to me, that that made sense to where that kid's still like hugging comfort, yeah.
14:37
SPEAKER_04: That's sad that the grandma gave stuff the animal away.
14:41
SPEAKER_02: She couldn't deal with it anymore.
14:42
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if because it brought too much memories back of the kid or whatever, but once a good person, I mean, yeah, yeah, for sure.
14:51
SPEAKER_04: Um, I don't have just haunted dolls, I have um stuffed animals too downstairs.
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SPEAKER_04: I was actually gonna ask, do you think that um there are more haunted dolls than there are stuffed animals?
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SPEAKER_04: Um, me personally, I think that there are more dolls because people see the trend instead of the object itself, and it's just passed up because nine times out of ten, this little teddy bear is not gonna be scary versus this creepy hundred-year-old doll that's all cracked and its eyes are white now and it creeps you out.
15:27
SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, uh if we're talking topic-wise, I will say there's probably more dolls than objects because it's the trend.
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody's just gonna pick up a doll and be like, it's creepy, it's scary, it's it's haunted.
15:42
SPEAKER_00: In the actual aspect on the on the is there actually more dolls than objects?
15:50
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna say no, but it just seems like it because dolls are more put into the spotlight, right, especially right now with the trends that are going.
15:57
SPEAKER_00: Um, but I I would like to believe there's more objects than there are dolls, because again, dolls are an object, they are still technically considered an object.
16:07
SPEAKER_00: I would agree.
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SPEAKER_00: I would agree, I would say that there's definitely in in the realism of the field um more objects than dolls, but it just seems like there's more dolls than objects right now because of the trend of dolls, you know, creepy doll.
16:26
SPEAKER_02: So we're close hour and a half into this.
16:28
SPEAKER_02: I do have one question for both of you.
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SPEAKER_02: If you were a pass and you had to pick a certain type of doll, or stuff animal, to attach to, what would it be?
16:42
SPEAKER_04: I'd make sure I find one of my kids, one of their toys.
16:48
SPEAKER_04: So it's probably gonna be a doll.
16:50
SPEAKER_04: Um could be a Barbie.
16:54
SPEAKER_04: I'll I'll mix it up for you.
16:56
SPEAKER_04: I'll pick a Barbie doll.
16:59
SPEAKER_04: I'm really the Bendy ones, you know, where I can like move my arms, not like the stiff ones.
17:04
SPEAKER_04: So then I can really fuck with you guys.
17:08
SPEAKER_00: I'm really thinking about it, and I'm like, I don't think I would want to be in a stuffed animal.
17:15
SPEAKER_02: So much more, so much more roomier in there, though.
17:18
SPEAKER_00: Maybe maybe it's comfy.
17:21
SPEAKER_00: You know, I I could be like a I could have stuffing as a doll, but like if I'm gonna be honest because of my personality, I don't think this is actually the doll I would probably go into, but personality-wise, if I get the choice, I would say definitely has to be some kind of clown or jester because I like to talk so much and make jokes and laugh with people.
17:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, but I would want to be a swing doll.
17:46
SPEAKER_00: Like on a swing, yeah, like the ones you have to hang from your roof that swing back and forth.
17:51
SPEAKER_00: You're creeper, yeah, a little bit.
17:55
SPEAKER_00: No, that I just think it's playful.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: I I'm a playful type of person, so I I think I would want my vessel to be playful as well.
18:04
SPEAKER_04: I mean well, yeah, I'm gonna be in a Barbie convertible in my Barbie dream house.
18:10
SPEAKER_04: So no duh.
18:11
SPEAKER_00: Work enough, work enough.
18:16
SPEAKER_02: Uh Stephanie, have any more questions?
18:19
SPEAKER_04: I have zero questions.
18:20
SPEAKER_02: Wow, pretty good.
18:22
SPEAKER_02: So do the closing arguments.
18:25
SPEAKER_02: I'll let you go first, Chewie.
18:28
SPEAKER_00: Closing arguments.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: Oh man, you put the pressure on me.
18:31
SPEAKER_00: I don't even have one in mind right off the bat.
18:34
SPEAKER_04: Has your opinion changed on haunted dolls?
18:37
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
18:39
SPEAKER_02: That's I'm answering for him.
18:41
SPEAKER_00: No, I don't think it's changed.
18:43
SPEAKER_00: I think it stands firm where I'm at, but I will say I do have to acknowledge and put the spotlight on a lot of the things that um you guys are saying because of the simple fact that we do have to acknowledge that there's a trend going right now.
18:56
SPEAKER_00: We do have to acknowledge that there is people out there trying to get the most money for something that may or may not be haunted.
19:02
SPEAKER_00: You know, there's a lot of movie and TV aspects.
19:04
SPEAKER_00: And the thing is, as much as I am a believer and I can sit here and give evidence or history or whatever the case on my experience and my studies, I do have to acknowledge and give a bigger spotlight to the fact that there is, you know, the nefarious of things happening in the background of actual investigating that makes the doubters, you know.
19:27
SPEAKER_00: And so it's it's the it's the aspect of balancing, is all I would say.
19:35
SPEAKER_02: So uh no, I mean, I learned a lot from Chewie and Stephanie tonight about dolls.
19:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, my opinion has not changed.
19:44
SPEAKER_02: I believe less than probably four percent, three percent of dolls are haunted.
19:48
SPEAKER_02: I do believe that if we do give attention to it, it will become haunted, but that's anything in life.
19:54
SPEAKER_02: But also I still believe that a lot of people use it for clickbait.
20:00
SPEAKER_02: And not saying those dolls are not haunted.
20:03
SPEAKER_02: Um, we can never prove it that they're not until someone comes out and says that doll's not haunted, I just used it for followers.
20:11
SPEAKER_02: Cool.
20:13
SPEAKER_02: But that being said, it's just as a whole, what is the reason why are we investigating?
20:19
SPEAKER_02: What is the main purpose why we go to these places?
20:23
SPEAKER_02: And you know, I did a post about this earlier.
20:28
SPEAKER_02: The reason I do is to keep memories alive.
20:31
SPEAKER_02: You know, because people are scared to be forgotten.
20:33
SPEAKER_02: I think they're scared to be forgotten more than they're are scared of of dying.
20:37
SPEAKER_02: They want to be remembered.
20:41
SPEAKER_02: So do dolls answer that question?
20:45
SPEAKER_02: Do dolls actually get us closer to why we're investigating?
20:51
SPEAKER_02: People do it for different reasons.
20:53
SPEAKER_02: I want to find about an afterlife.
20:55
SPEAKER_02: Like Chewie said, two thousand years ago, a thousand years ago, they did do that to learn about the afterlife.
21:02
SPEAKER_02: This is America, we don't think like that.
21:04
SPEAKER_02: You know, that's never been brought up.
21:06
SPEAKER_02: Japan, all that, yes, that got brought up.
21:09
SPEAKER_02: But in America, we didn't.
21:11
SPEAKER_02: You know, we didn't create dolls to have them attachment to find out about the afterlife.
21:18
SPEAKER_02: So why is a doll crazed right now?
21:21
SPEAKER_02: It's simple, it's clickbait.
21:25
SPEAKER_04: Do you think my dolls do you think my dolls are haunted?
21:37
SPEAKER_02: All right, for how long we've been on, hour 32 minutes, that light's gone off twice.
21:41
SPEAKER_02: So 4% of your dolls are haunted.
21:44
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, this isn't even four percent of them.
21:49
SPEAKER_04: But um I had another really good question, but I forgot.
21:54
SPEAKER_04: But oh, do you think I use my dolls for clickbait?
21:57
SPEAKER_02: No, I think you run a business.
21:59
SPEAKER_02: All right.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: And this is I believe just like Chewy puts a time and effort to each one of these objects.
22:08
SPEAKER_02: You're not just out there on Timu on eBay selling random freaking dolls because they're creepy looking.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: You both actually put your time and effort, just like when you go to investigation, especially a private investigation, you're gonna put your time and effort to find out what's going on in that house to get answers to find out if it's actually haunted or is it your imagination?
22:32
SPEAKER_02: That's a whole nother topic.
22:34
SPEAKER_02: I mean, imagination is huge in the paranormal field.
22:37
SPEAKER_02: I think we use it more than what is actually happening out there.
22:43
SPEAKER_02: That's for the psychic medium stuff show when we're coming out.
22:49
SPEAKER_00: But I just want to add one last thing because it just popped in my head, and this was so long ago.
22:54
SPEAKER_00: You asked how many items were were not haunted that I received.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: We also had a carousel that used to be in our collection and we put it under observation.
23:02
SPEAKER_00: Not haunted.
23:04
SPEAKER_00: And the person that that gave it to us, I'm I'm 1000% sure whatever was detachment they were experiencing was to them.
23:11
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't it wasn't to the the item.
23:13
SPEAKER_02: Now, did you sell that item?
23:15
SPEAKER_00: No, I kept it because it's nice and decorative.
23:17
SPEAKER_00: I'll use it for holiday stuff.
23:20
SPEAKER_02: Again, on your nightstand.
23:23
SPEAKER_00: No, it's in a box put away, it'll come out during Christmas because it's a Christmas play sale.
23:28
SPEAKER_04: I can't wait to see it.
23:30
SPEAKER_02: But again, you're doing the time and effort to figure it out, and you're not like some of these people out there, not saying everybody is, but there are a few out there.
23:39
SPEAKER_02: Hey, I got received this, it's haunted.
23:42
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna sell it, even though you know it's not.
23:44
SPEAKER_04: That's another reason why my prices are so low on my dolls.
23:47
SPEAKER_04: Because you know, what if that what if that spirit just stayed at my house and I just sent somebody that empty freaking doll?
23:55
SPEAKER_04: Or maybe it just doesn't talk to him.
23:57
SPEAKER_04: Like, I had a doll that was so active.
23:59
SPEAKER_04: This thing would make me sick.
24:00
SPEAKER_04: I was so happy to get rid of it, right?
24:03
SPEAKER_04: These people are like six months later, we haven't gotten any.
24:08
SPEAKER_04: I was like, that's because he's evil.
24:10
SPEAKER_04: I was like, he's doing it on purpose.
24:12
SPEAKER_04: I'm like, he wants you to send him back to me.
24:15
SPEAKER_04: I will not take that doll back.
24:16
SPEAKER_04: I told him, I was like, you can find somebody else, but you ain't sending it here.
24:20
SPEAKER_04: He actually he really did like being like put on display.
24:24
SPEAKER_04: He would show off.
24:25
SPEAKER_04: Um, he would literally play a music box when my kids picked him up and like the full tune, not just like a little thing.
24:33
SPEAKER_04: And every time, Majority, I picked this doll up, I got really sick all the time.
24:38
SPEAKER_04: I was so sick of it.
24:39
SPEAKER_04: Like, either I was wanting to throw up or I got an intense migraine migraine out of nowhere.
24:44
SPEAKER_04: I was so done with him.
24:47
SPEAKER_00: Out of curiosity, you guys asked a lot of questions.
24:50
SPEAKER_00: I do have one question for both of you.
24:52
SPEAKER_00: What do you think that a haunted item can also tether parts of their energy and use another item as a window?
25:04
SPEAKER_00: Like a window, like like like they they can use that vessel to respond and cut and come in and out of it.
25:12
SPEAKER_00: Um they they physically tether to it.
25:20
SPEAKER_04: Like they can attach themselves to two separate things in the same place or different locations.
25:26
SPEAKER_00: We let's say object one, super haunted, right?
25:30
SPEAKER_00: Tons of energy.
25:31
SPEAKER_00: There's item two, which was never haunted.
25:34
SPEAKER_00: Item one that they tether to it when you have two homes, a doll is somewhere separate.
25:42
SPEAKER_04: You have a doll from the Warren Museum.
25:44
SPEAKER_04: You literally have Annabelle in your house, like your psycho.
25:47
SPEAKER_00: That's why I'm asking this question, because I have an item that's tethered to all 750 items, and Annabelle answered it on video and said, Yes, I'm tethered to it.
25:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, energy can be dispersed.
26:00
SPEAKER_04: You know, it depends on how powerful that thing inside of it is.
26:05
SPEAKER_01: All right, dude.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: Dude, you'd be you'd be shocked at the answers we get.
26:11
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to hear about it.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: Don't talk about it in front of my dolls either.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: That's why she's in a case.
26:15
SPEAKER_04: I don't want to hear about it.
26:16
SPEAKER_01: She's in a case now.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: Good, should be burnt.
26:19
SPEAKER_01: She hates bonfire.
26:21
SPEAKER_01: We get a lot of the response.
26:22
SPEAKER_02: You don't at me for ripping heads off dolls, and you're gonna burn dogs.
26:25
SPEAKER_04: I'm talking about regular human spirits, you know, of earthly beings.
26:30
SPEAKER_04: That is not definitely not.
26:35
SPEAKER_04: He's got a divot box, he's got weird stuff behind him.
26:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we got Tommy who who's a demonic non-human.
26:42
SPEAKER_00: We have the tethered Raggedy Ann to Annabelle and all the items at the Warren Museum.
26:46
SPEAKER_00: It lived in the museum.
26:47
SPEAKER_00: We have a Dybic box.
26:49
SPEAKER_00: Um, we have a piece of the well from Bobby Mackeys, um, which I'm like, I don't really display that one too much.
26:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, try and think what else we have.
26:58
SPEAKER_00: Vicky's really nasty.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if she's human or not human, but she's really nasty.
27:03
SPEAKER_00: She's mean.
27:04
SPEAKER_04: Um because she doesn't like where she's at.
27:08
SPEAKER_00: No, I think I know what it is because we had a conversation with her recently.
27:12
SPEAKER_04: I'm just kidding.
27:13
SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's actually because she's missing a friend that was with her.
27:17
SPEAKER_00: They separated her.
27:19
SPEAKER_00: I'd be pissed too.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's a little mad, and that's what I think it is.
27:24
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, we got a few things up here.
27:27
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we we have a majority of like just a mixture.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: We have a melting pot over here because we don't turn anything away over here.
27:36
SPEAKER_02: All right, so let's wrap this up.
27:39
SPEAKER_02: I mean, Chewy, thanks again for jumping on.
27:41
SPEAKER_00: Um thank you for having me.
27:43
SPEAKER_02: I think I was nice enough.
27:47
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I was kind of pumped up for this, but Chewie's nice, Stephanie's nice.
27:52
SPEAKER_02: So I was like, uh, let's melt this down a little bit.
27:56
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, the hard thing about the business.
27:59
SPEAKER_04: We already had comebacks at him.
28:01
SPEAKER_04: He had no choice.
28:02
SPEAKER_02: Oh, me?
28:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, dolls are real.
28:06
SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's your that's your comeback, really.
28:08
SPEAKER_04: He's just scared of me and my dolls.
28:11
SPEAKER_04: Oh boy, he knows what will happen.
28:14
SPEAKER_02: You know what happened.
28:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm gonna make sure your next point you get stuck in another spot.
28:25
SPEAKER_02: Make it cool.
28:25
SPEAKER_02: They're in Chicago.
28:27
SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be worse.
28:29
SPEAKER_02: When I was texting Chewie, I was like, Hey, well, I text Stephanie first.
28:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, this dude gonna like, if I'm like get aggravated about him, is he gonna quit?
28:37
SPEAKER_02: She's like, No, no problem.
28:38
SPEAKER_02: Text Chewie, he's like, no, this needs to be said, and I'm surprised at how many people like when I put this out there, like, I'm glad you're doing a debate because this is the stuff that needs to be said.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: You can come in, Naomi.
28:52
SPEAKER_02: Let's just talk about it.
28:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's no right or wrong way of doing this in a sense.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: I do have my own opinion of what's right or wrong, but again, that's an opinion, and we all have our own opinions, but I think everything's validated and we all have our own ways of doing it.
29:05
SPEAKER_00: And at the end of the day, we are all looking for the same thing, which is the answer to what this phenomenon really is.
29:12
SPEAKER_03: Right.
29:12
SPEAKER_04: I think if you're getting mad over something somebody else is saying about talking to invisible people, then you should probably take a step back and stop investigating because everybody's gonna have different opinions, everybody has their own beliefs, and just as well as you do doesn't mean you're wrong or you're right, and you're never gonna know until you're in that spot, and we all are gonna be there, right?
29:39
SPEAKER_02: I mean, again, like you guys talk to dolls, get some answers.
29:44
SPEAKER_02: I go, you know, we all investigate, but I go and talk to invisible people, you know.
29:50
SPEAKER_02: But in the end, hopefully we can find some answers.
29:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the whole point of this investigating, investigating dolls, investigating locations, whatever it is.
30:01
SPEAKER_02: We're just here to try to get some answers, keep memories alive, maybe get some stories straight.
30:06
SPEAKER_02: Because I believe that's a big haunting is people's stories are not straight.
30:11
SPEAKER_02: So if we can get that and also have a good time.
30:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's what it's about.
30:16
SPEAKER_01: So it's fun.
30:18
SPEAKER_01: I oh my god, let me on this.
30:20
SPEAKER_02: Thanks, everybody.