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Full Spectrum Cycling #136 – Good Stuff With Seeley Dave · Full Spectrum Cycling

• 0:00
  Greetings, Full Spectrum Cycling listener. Sven here. Uh, just a little note that this week we had to go with a backup.
• 0:09
  There's still hope to recover the original recording, but probably not up to our usual audio standards. That said, this is a good show. I hope you enjoy it. Come back next week. Hopefully we have our shit together. Bye.
• 0:24
  [upbeat music] Hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey is for horses. Hey, hey. [laughs] Like Megan the stallion. Hey.
• 0:41
  [laughs] Hey, how's it going everybody? Get this, get that out of the way. Yeah, Full, Full Spectrum Cycling. [laughs] Number 136 today. Whoa. I wrote that down, so I looked at that. [laughs] Yeah.
• 0:54
  Uh, yeah, so, uh, you know, we got JK. Yes. Hello, everyone. We got Triple T. Enjoy life. [laughs] And look out for the fucking cars. Oh, boy. Well, JK had a little- Close call...
• 1:07
  uh, Tokyo Drift/uh, Grand Theft Auto episode on the way to the show- Yeah... tonight. I know. I couldn't hit my... Well, I hit my triangle button, but almost. But I stayed on steep.
• 1:20
  If I hit triangle, then I would've jumped out and run. Is a triangle button like a Tinky Winky thing? That would...
• 1:26
  That's your dismount and get into the other vehicle via any means necessary, essentially just ruining the other person out, which is kind of what everything looked like was about to occur there. [laughs] Ah, wow.
• 1:39
  Well, we're right in our own neighborhood here, folks. Uh, you know, it's, it's kind of the Wild West out there in Milwaukee these days. Heavy. So- So-... be careful on your bikes Yes... wear a helmet. Travel safely.
• 1:53
  Don't be Tony- Don't, don't engage- Don't be Tony and get hit by a car. Don't get engaged- Yeah... unless you need it, so. Speaking of, speaking of Tony- Yeah... we, we went to Bub's party there on, uh, Saturday.
• 2:04
  Bubbles? First party. Son- Bubba-nator... son Daniel. Yeah, he- Oh. I don't know if you realize it was actually his birthday party, but he certainly, like, had- He was the star... a great time...
• 2:19
  he was the star of the show. And thanks for Berta and Mike, of course, for the scoot, because that did not leave his side the entire time. Is that like that, that's the brand of the- Balance Bike... Balance Bike scooter?
• 2:31
  It's the guy that invented it, I believe. Oh, nice, and it's wood. It's wood. [laughs] And yeah, he, he- Probably oughta get a, get a picture of that, throw it in the show notes. There's a lot of them, and you will.
• 2:40
  [laughs] Um, yeah, so it was like- He, no, I thought he was, uh, waiting in line for the men's room. Yeah, there was- Like, shortly after. I was like, no, that was just- That's-... his party place to- Yeah, tour 'em...
• 2:50
  and like, oh, yeah... but yeah, so it was a very... I thank you guys for coming. It was a really nice event. There was a lot of people, a lot of beer was consumed based on my tab. [laughs] Oh, yeah, I only had one there.
• 3:03
  Yeah. I, I was independent of yours. I think- No, I think my family was... because I got there, something happened, I got there later for some reason. Yeah. But it was a nice, it was a nice turnout.
• 3:10
  We had a lot of nice food. We had, you know, lots of nice dogs. And, um, I saw some friends I haven't seen in quite a while, and I thank everyone for coming.
• 3:18
  And now if anybody tries to take my son away from me, I'm gonna kick their ass. Right on. Well, and that was the thing, the Tweed Ride, I had no idea.
• 3:25
  Stop fucking- I had, I had no idea what the route was, and then, like, as I'm waiting for the route to be announced, [laughs] he's saying it, and he's going, "Dee, dee, and then we'll stop at Blatowski." And I'm like-
• 3:39
  It's like 1:15... I'm, I'm like, I really... Yeah. 'Cause I was gonna do the ride and then on to City Two- It, it was really rad... and then head over to you, and then I'm like, well, this is actually happening.
• 3:50
  It was great, too. I had to run and get some extension c- or some power strips, and then I came back and there was, like, a ton of bikes there. I'm like, "Well, that's pretty cool." [laughs] Yeah.
• 3:58
  I looked again, I'm like, "Wait a minute, I know those bikes." Why are there... Yeah. There were some fun ones- It's a good group... on there, yeah. So how did...
• 4:05
  You had, must not have been there very long, 'cause I, I missed y- I got there after you guys had already left, but- They, yeah, they were, they were on their own timeline.
• 4:13
  So- I, I was blissfully not involved in the course planning, timing, whatever. Right. I heard you were, you and Kim were the youngest people on the ride. Yeah. It was- It seemed like it.
• 4:26
  Well, I mean- It seems an older ride. It was a lot of familiar people. Actually, I noticed a lot of people from Steel is Real. I'm just the... Well, the, that's the other thing. It's like the...
• 4:36
  Your costume, your dress, your decor kind of belies that you're an old, old-timey guy. Right. So, yeah. I don't know. But, you know, let the baby have her bottle.
• 4:48
  [laughs] So that, so- You're gonna listen to the fucking show anyways. [laughs] I think, I think there's, I mean, there are Tweed Rides around the country. Yeah. Yeah.
• 4:56
  This one, this one usually happens around this time of year, and it's when you can get your wool out and not be completely soaked with sweat immediately. Right. Well, it's a, it's a usually- And, and actually-...
• 5:05
  later ride... it, it was awesome, because it was... Like, I, I was able to dress up. I put on a tie. I mean, I don't put on a fucking tie unless it's a wedding, a funeral- Or the Tweed Ride...
• 5:16
  or the Tweed Ride, essentially. You know, I mean, I'm trying to... I'm, I'm scrapping for something else. Yeah. And I don't... [laughs] I do- Ooh, a nice dinner downtown at a fancy steakhouse. Really?
• 5:27
  No, fuck that noise. Yeah, I'm not wearing a tie for that. I don't have any tweed at all, I don't think- Well, it's, it's-... anymore. It, I have one jacket... also in the spirit of... Yeah.
• 5:37
  I have wool that's black, and that could be- That'll work. Yeah... that could be very, very- That would be good enough... very dark tweed possibly. But yeah, you just have to look- Tweed... the look. Yeah. Yeah.
• 5:45
  'Cause I didn't. I was like, "I'm-" Wool socks tucked them in a pair of jeans, you're tweed. Oh, okay. Well, I could go for that next year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you have the k- Yeah, that's what, actually what I did.
• 5:54
  [laughs] O- owing to the- Get a flannel... owing to the fact that we went over to James' place across the alley here and had a jam session until late into the evening and-
• 6:05
  Uh, there was a lot of people there this time, and I was pretty tired on Saturday. Yeah, was that- I w- Friday? That was Friday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I sent you a note about it and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I know, I know.
• 6:13
  But life is life lifed. Life lifed you. Life lifed at me and, uh, and, uh- Right on. Uh, I'm gonna... I think if this works right I'm gonna push a button over here. Oh, sure. Buttons. Buttons have been pushed.
• 6:27
  Hey, welcome to the radio program, caller. Who do we have on the line? It's Feely Dave. [laughs] Where are you- Feely Dave. Are, are you on your Peloton or something? It sounded like you were, uh- [laughs]...
• 6:39
  riding or- But I was-... perhaps walking upstairs or something. I'm in, I'm in my garage pumping up the tires to my fat bike. [laughs] Oh, nice. Yeah, I just, uh- When, when was the last time you rode your fat bike?
• 6:52
  Last, last, uh... Well, early, early spring, you know, in the sort of transition period, um, that we had up here. So, uh, where the gravel roads were not really gravel, 50% snow and slush.
• 7:09
  So I haven't ridden it in a while, and I'm just getting it out, ready to start riding it out to my deer stand.
• 7:17
  And I wanted to move our old buddy Mark Siric, who's now works, uh, for Hyperlite out in, in Maine, um, was kind enough to send me one of their new camera pods to, to check out. Um, so I've... They're pretty slick.
• 7:34
  I, I had it on my, my bike packing bike, my Milwaukee 29er, which has got a Jones riser bar and a, and a, uh, a Rockgeist, uh, what do they call that little bag that fits in the...
• 7:48
  [laughs] Sorry, Rockgeist, I can't remember what [laughs] what you call your bag. Like, like- You know the one-... the puppy bag that goes... Yeah. Yeah. The, uh, the little- It goes in there and it- The little... Yeah.
• 7:57
  And, and theirs is a little deeper. The Rockgeist one, I like it. It's deeper and it's got a front, like, basket sort of, you know, c- um, strapped basket on the front to, like, stuff something into.
• 8:09
  So I had it on that bike mounted to that bag in the front and it worked great, and I wanted to see how I could mount it to my fat bike, which has regular Jones bars on it, and it works pretty slick.
• 8:21
  Just a couple little, uh, little of those belay straps, the little micro ones, the skinny little ones, and then it comes with these little nifty, um, uh, crampons. Uh, not meant for climbing crampons, you know.
• 8:35
  Um, and I just hook those on the bottom to my, my cables and it's, it's there and it's, it's pretty slick. It's super water proof. Send a picture of that. It rained on me... I, I will.
• 8:47
  It, it rained on me, uh- Yeah, send a picture of it set up. That sounds cool. Yeah, I will. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll send you guys one for the show notes.
• 8:54
  Um, it rained on me during the Tour de Schwamngen and I had my camera in that the whole time, and m- it never got wet.
• 9:02
  Um, and I was worried, so I brought an extra, like, Ziploc bag along and [laughs] stuff, but I never needed it. So it, it kept it dry.
• 9:09
  And then what's also nice is my, um, my full frame Sony mirrorless stuff will fit in the large version of the camera pod with either my, um, my, uh,
• 9:23
  24 to, uh, 105 zoom with the front shade on it, or the, uh, the 24 to 70 with the front shade turned backwards, not out. Um, so, so it fits the, the two main lenses that I ride with. Um, and it, and it's pretty- Is...
• 9:39
  So did you get, did you get the smaller one as well or did you just get the big one? Uh, no, I, I just got the bigger one.
• 9:45
  Um, uh, but the smaller one, like, I know you've got, like, the Olympus system, so the smaller one would be, like, really s- perfect for you. Yeah. Um- 'Cause I, it, it's- But, uh, yeah, I, I like it...
• 9:56
  it's a pretty, it's a new, it's a new product, right? It's, it's just- It is, yeah... I think I just got an announcement 'cause I get Hyperlite stuff in the old, uh, the old newsfeed on the email and I, I- Yeah...
• 10:07
  I remember seeing it recently thinking, "Their stuff is always so thin and light. Is it really gonna be, you know, serviceable?" Well, so, so it, it- But sounds like it is... so it, it, yeah.
• 10:16
  And so what they did with this is it's, it's made out of their typical materials, you know, um, and, and feels bomb proof like everything Hyperlite makes, is.
• 10:27
  But this one has got, um, that thin, uh, padding that they put in most camera bags, you know, in between two layers. So it's not just like a, a thin little bag. It's, it's got structure to it, um, and padding. Right on.
• 10:41
  So it... So yeah. So I'm, I'm pretty impressed so far. The only thing I sort of wish it had was belt loops on it.
• 10:51
  So it's got tiny little loops that these straps or, or, um, or in the four corners that the straps or the, uh, little crampon things, uh, will go through.
• 11:02
  But it would be cool if it had belt loops, uh, you know, the webbing sort of stuff in the back so that you could either Velcro it to something or I could actually just hang it on my belt like a hip pouch.
• 11:14
  But I don't know. Right. They probably have a hip pouch too- Yeah, that's-... and they don't want, they want you to buy the hip pouch as well. [laughs] They don't wanna cannibalize their hip pouch sales. Right.
• 11:22
  [laughs] So I, yeah, I have a, I have a, uh, Peak Designs that works, like, you can either put it on your bars or on your, on your, uh, belt, or it even comes with a strap so you can sling it over your shoulder if you really- A Peak Design...
• 11:35
  really think about- Little peak design bag like that? Yeah, Peak Design. It's called... I, it's, uh, I forget what it's called. It's some sort of, uh... It's, it's like a hip pouch basically. Okay. [laughs] Yeah.
• 11:46
  I, you know, I have one of their clamps that goes on, you know, like your belt or, you know, the quick release sort of clamp thing that, I have one of those, um, which I like, but- It's like the, the, for your camera that, you know, has the plate on the bottom- Yeah...
• 11:59
  of the camera and then, yeah. That you can put on your belt or you can put it on, like, a, a bag shoulder s- you know, your shoulder straps.
• 12:05
  And I like that if I'm photographing, like, races and stuff where I'm outside and I just wanna grab an extra camera off my... You know, I'm carrying two bodies and I wanna hang one there.
• 12:16
  But I, it doesn't, there's no protection involved in that, you know, so you can only do that- Right. Right. For sure... if it's not raining out. Um, but I do know they make a bag, too. Yeah, I use, I use Mina. Oh, yeah.
• 12:27
  Yeah, well, I, th- their everyday backpack has been my everyday backpack, like, every single day for, like, the last, I don't know- So definitely not a corporate name... two, two or three, probably three years. Could...
• 12:36
  Wait, I Kickstarted- Okay...
• 12:38
  it and it was one of their first products, and it's, it's super well thought out because both sides open up, and then they have all these little tech pouches you can get, so I have, I have it really...
• 12:48
  It- it's basically my computer bag. It's, I don't do much with cameras with that bag. But, um- Uh-huh... I think, I, it's definitely worth looking at 'cause they're ver- they are photography oriented, for sure. Right.
• 12:59
  Yeah. I'll- It's just that I don't happen to use this bag that way... I'll give a look at it. I mean, yeah, I, yeah, and I like to have multiple options for... You know, so this thing works great, obviously.
• 13:08
  I, I, so far I'm liking it, and I, I'll probably do a little mini review after I use it for a while longer and, um, sort of put it through the paces.
• 13:17
  But, um, but I like to have lots of options in terms of bags and carrying stuff just because every, every trip is different, every, you know, bike you take has got a different setup and stuff like that. So,
• 13:30
  um, so yeah, I'll check out that Peak Design stuff, too. Yeah, and, um, let's see. I'm just looking at it right now. It's the h- it's, um, by the, it's, like, what is it?
• 13:36
  Hyperlite Mountain Gear is the actual website, so it's got a little... I'll put it in the show notes if somebody wants to check it out. But yeah. Okay. Yeah. Check, check their camera bag.
• 13:44
  So yeah, they, I mean, it's n- it isn't inexpensive, but their stuff is always so well-made, so I, I wouldn't worry about the- Yeah... the build quality or anything. It's completely... Right.
• 13:53
  No, everything they make is completely bomber. It's all made in the USA. You know, it's, it's typically super well thought out, so, um.
• 14:01
  They've been around for a long time, so good, you know, customer support and stuff like that. So, so I like products like that, you know? Uh, and I don't know if the Peak Design stuff is made in USA or not.
• 14:12
  I mean, I, I'm not, that's not a deal breaker for me. But it's always a nice little bonus if something is, you know. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Especially if you're, if you're not paying, like, a mega premium for it, you know?
• 14:22
  Right. Yeah. So y- you know- Yeah... made in USA bicycles, premium, but if you're gonna go for something custom, then it's worth it because you can't get that from overseas. But, you know- Right...
• 14:32
  they make pretty good bikes over there, too, if you could get one of those. Yeah, I know. They- I don't know. It's 10:00 AM. [laughs] Well, well, so- You can get one, but you just gotta wait a little bit.
• 14:39
  Well, well, while we're- Yeah... while we're- All right, let's do it...
• 14:41
  on, on this sort of topic and I'm staring at this bike, uh, we had, we've talked in the past about, um, building up a, a, there's lots of, like, hunting-specific fat bikes out there and stuff now.
• 14:54
  Um, and, but the, one thing that I've always found odd is, like, why they don't put the, the motor on the front. So you'd essentially have a two-wheel drive bike then with a front hub motor and a regular gear.
• 15:09
  You know, I mean, I don't really need a, a fat bike with a motor on it except there's some time, there's hills and stuff out here where, like, it isn't that, that I, I want extra speed or extra power.
• 15:23
  It's that I, they're so steep I lose traction. And, and- Yeah... it'd be nice to have that front wheel pulling just so I would just use it with, like, a little throttle every once in a while- Yeah, that's what this is.
• 15:34
  Yeah... going up those steep climbs, you know, where you, you, you're sitting on the nose of your saddle and your rear tire is still spinning, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like somebody needs something on a wheel built.
• 15:44
  Yeah, yeah, 'cause I mean, it, if you use, uh, something from, like, Grin, they make, uh, their Phase Runner, you can run two different motors off of it, and you can even split the torque.
• 15:56
  So if you wanna do 60 rear, 40 front, no problem. It, it's probably- Well, I, I'm talking about a regular, I'm talking about a regular geared hub- One. Yeah... no motor on the back. You know? Yeah. Just a front hub only.
• 16:07
  And just the motor on the front. Oh, sure. Yeah. Just a wheel and a motor. You know, and there you go. It- They make that, they, they make that Paul axle.
• 16:15
  Grin makes that Paul a- I don't know that anybody else makes- Yeah... a front hub motor for a fat bike, a 150. Well, no, I don't, I don't think so because, uh, that is the best motor out there, too, by far. Right.
• 16:25
  We, I, we've probably done 15 of them or something. They're tough as nails. And if you power that thing with 52 volts, I think I can get- Yeah... up to 35 miles an hour with it. I, it's ridiculously strong.
• 16:38
  Well, they've got, like- And you-... three different wi- they've got three different winds on that motor, too, right? Right. Right. Right.
• 16:43
  They've got a small wind and- Yeah, they, it, it makes sense to- This is a standard wind. Yeah, standard wind.
• 16:47
  Um, and normally we do them at 36 volts because they're, y- you really don't need more, honestly, but people always want- Yeah... bigger and better. It's like, well, if 36 volts is good, I guess 52 must be more.
• 17:00
  It's like, well- Maybe... yeah, but I can do burnouts on gravel with it. I don't know that that's something with a front hub motor that, that un- But on a fat bike as a front hub only? Yeah.
• 17:09
  Well- That's a, that's a neat idea... one of the reasons I'm thinking about it- I'm thinking-...
• 17:12
  is 'cause, 'cause you know my cargo bike that I've got, my, my, uh, my, um, Sweet Curry that I have that I added the Bafang mid-drive to myself, I've just got that old, you know, um, Shark battery, and it just sits in the pocket.
• 17:28
  It's not mounted to anything. It sits in the back cargo bag. So I was thinking if I got,
• 17:35
  um, uh, you know, another, like a front hub motor or something for this, I could just pull that off of that, that same battery and stick it in the frame bag on the- Yeah...
• 17:44
  fat bike, you know, and it's sort of the same deal. Yeah, that's like a, that's a 48 volt, right? Pretty sure they are. I, I think I got the 52. I got the 52. Oh, okay. Oh. Oh, right on. Um, but, uh, but you- Yeah...
• 17:56
  I could just swap the battery, and then all I have to do is buy a hub motor and build up a wheel, you know? Right. Right. Yeah, I think they're, like, five hundo for that, that motor and then whatever controller.
• 18:06
  Yeah, the Grins, the Grin ones aren't, aren't cheap. I, I mean, honestly, for this project- Well, you know, they're made in Canada They're handmade I know. If I had my druthers, though, I'd buy a two, a $250 cheapo
• 18:19
  motor somewhere that- Bafang... that worked. Yeah, but- Yeah. Right... but do you, well, may- you could probably- A Bafang would work... you could probably adapt it to a 1... You've got a 135 fork on that bike, right?
• 18:30
  No, this is the, the, not, I'm not talking about the, uh, my Schlick. I'm, I'm talking about the Mukluk. I think I'd put it on- Oh, okay... on the Mukluk. Although, you're right. Yeah, no, then-
• 18:42
  I could, I could do that with the Schlick, and that's got a 110, 'cause that's got the old school fork on it, remember? Um- Oh, cause, yeah, 'cause you wanted to do a dyno hub on it. Right. Or something. Right.
• 18:55
  So that's got... So I could- Well, there you go... so somebody... So I could probably get a cheap Bafang or something, front hub motor for that. The bargaining guy, they give you- And that's QR as well.
• 19:06
  Yeah, like 200, probably 200 bucks. Those things are pretty cheap. Right. And I could not do the high- And the controller for them, too, you don't need anything fancy. But you're not running 52 volts, you mean?
• 19:15
  No, I'd probably run 36 on that, just... But if it's slippery and mucky and crappy anyway- But I, but I-... that's plenty of voltage. Yeah, but I'm trying not to buy another battery. I'm trying to [laughs]
• 19:26
  , you know, to just use the same battery I've got. Yeah. At that point, you know, compared to buying the Grimm all, you know, all axle, you buy the cheap hub, you can afford another battery.
• 19:38
  I mean, it, it'd still be less money. Well, I don't know. My- It, it can go with the modular versions- Yeah. I don't know... which are fun. Well, get... Yeah, get the, uh- Or it's a good time to get one of those, too...
• 19:46
  get, get the Grimm controller, and you can just dial back how much wattage it will put out. 'Cause that, that hub, that 250 watt Bafang will take 700 watts at short bursts, but it can't sustain that- Uh-huh...
• 19:59
  for really long. [gasps] And like I said, I, I don't, I don't need this for a bunch of power. I'm just thinking about it for the few little punchy hills, you know, when I'm out there and I've, I'm...
• 20:10
  That- That's- That's all I... I'd like... It just would be fun to try it that way. I've, I've got a front assist Bafang 250 on my 29er, and the, it's throttle only.
• 20:21
  And the only, and it's the modular Grimm batteries, and I only use it to either have a little fun or when I get to a hill. Otherwise- Right... regular bike. Yeah.
• 20:31
  Well, and I, I, I get, I get the lo- I can follow this logic because normally, guess what? I am powering. Right. I love that. I love that. The rear, I am a rear wheel. Every bike is a rear wheel drive. Right. Yeah.
• 20:44
  So you put a little in the front, yeah, you got a, a four-wheel two-wheel drive. All wheel. [laughs] All wheel drive. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. I mean, I'm putting it into- Yeah... motorized vehicle terms.
• 20:53
  Michael is having an epiphany over there. I can see it. Yes, I'm having an apostrophe. [laughs] Oh. It's like lightning has struck my brain. FYI, we're gonna... Tony, where's your, where's your thingy? Light flow.
• 21:02
  I gotta- Ringy dingy dingy. [bell ringing] [laughs] It is, these are, these are the kind of... They, they are black- Lucid thoughts...
• 21:09
  they are bla- they are Black Husky cowbells, but I gotta be honest, they're sort of standard issue, and these are [bell ringing] the good ones. Oh. You know? It's like... But thanks, Tony.
• 21:20
  I think Tony bought me that, or we got them for, I don't know, for having a party there or something. But it has the Black Husky- I bought them for him... on there, which is awesome. Um- Ding.
• 21:28
  So Dave, you had an etiquette you want? So this is, I think, the third week this beer has been here. We haven't really used it. It's- No, you just- It's Black Husky's vein, which, hmm. It grows in ABV as it sits.
• 21:37
  [laughs] Yeah, yeah. The warmer it gets, the more boozahol-y it becomes. These are very strong. A- as, as is... You know, how many podcasts have we said Tim Wise in? All of them.
• 21:47
  Well, you've said it way more than I have, and that's why he likes me better than he likes you. Probably. [laughs] Tim Wise. Uh, this beer is stronger than you think. Yeah.
• 21:57
  Two of these will usually give me a pretty good, uh- I get... head rush. I'm not buying any of your malarkey. Okay. Um, gotta listen to Uncle Joe sometimes. What's happening up in the Northwoods beer-wise, Dave?
• 22:10
  Uh, I actually have a New Glarus Pear 21. Do not... I am not familiar. It's one of their, uh... It's one of their, you know, their thumbprint editions.
• 22:22
  They're a little, it comes in the four bottle packs, uh, the sort of specialty things. And it's a beer, but it's got, um, pears in it. Oh. Oh. So it's kinda like- That's another beer.
• 22:34
  But it's not as tart- [laughs] It's sweeter than, like, their, their cherry and their raspberry, um, you know- In between a shandy and a gose? Yeah. Yeah. No.
• 22:45
  I mean, it's- Tony's holding his nose 'cause it, it's snotty thinking about that... it's still kinda heavy. I don't, I don't... What's the, what's- Syrupy?... I don't want the... Yeah, it's, yes.
• 22:55
  It's thicker like some of those, uh, like some of those other, other beers. It's not strong, though. [laughs] Um, let's see. What's the... It's only 4%- Is it like-... ABV. Is it like- Oh...
• 23:07
  is it like drinking directly out of the Del Monte pear can, the syrup that comes right out of it? Like a Radler. No. [laughs] It's like a, like, yeah, like a Radler. Uh, it has- Radler shandy kind of deal.
• 23:15
  No, I, I like, I like it. It, it, uh- Yeah... it's like if you sort of mix a beer with a pear cider, sort of. Ta-da. [laughs] All right. I, a couple of up- Inductored...
• 23:26
  a couple of up north things I wanna, uh, quick, uh, chime in on from you. Um, for some reason, that record store in the bank vault up in Washburn has come across my news feeds, like, six or eight times in the last week.
• 23:42
  Nice. Have you been to this place- I have not... up there in Washburn? It is a, apparently an old bank building, and the vault that, what is the vault from the bank, is a record store.
• 23:54
  And it's also, I think, like, Washburn whatev- it, it has something to do with, like, the historic district. I don't know. You know, it, it, it, there's more to it than just the store.
• 24:04
  But it's in the bank vault, and it's in Washburn, and that's not far from you, and you should go check it out. [laughs] All right. Um, I, and I actually have a record store right in Hayward as well. Um- Awesome...
• 24:19
  Hole in the Wall Books Um, they, they have records too, um, you know, old school vinyl and- Huh. It should be Hole in the Wall Books and Records would be a good name for that place. [laughs] I know.
• 24:29
  I was just, I was peeping, I was peeping your, uh, your compounds availability- So- [laughs] And I was just like, "Hmm." Yeah.
• 24:38
  Up, well, I don't know, Up North News is something that I, is a, I think it's a newspaper or, or a website or something. But that's where I saw it first. I think you're right, yeah.
• 24:46
  But, but then I kept seeing it and seeing it and seeing it. Huh.
• 24:49
  And then they had a story about when does Up North really start, and this guy's argument was Wausau, and I'm like, "That's not what people who really live Up North say," but, uh- Right...
• 24:57
  you know, I guess to me that was always the psychological line, but that's only 'cause I'm not, I don't go up there in s- all the time. So. Plus I don't live up there. Yeah. Well, you guys know my theory on that.
• 25:12
  [laughs] Yeah, I do. Everybody has a different one, but- Well, lifeabove8baby- Um, yeah... e- uh, ght.com. Check out Dave.
• 25:18
  I did check out your website today before the show just to see what was new and going on, and you like- Yeah, I haven't had much time to work on it.
• 25:25
  I, you know, the end of the summer and the fall were all the events and stuff, so you know, I worked right across Wisconsin.
• 25:32
  I worked at, you know, Moratic, I worked the Chequamegon Mountain Bike Festival, all that sort of stuff. Um, and uh, and so that's all kind of put away now, and I'm looking at next year and next year's events.
• 25:49
  And, uh, and I'm gonna be running, you know, the Tour de Chequamegon again. I'm also working RAW again, and uh, I, I'm gonna have the, the Hungry Bear and the Chequamegon 100. I'll be in charge of those.
• 26:03
  Oh, that's a little bit interesting news. So, so I was talk- I know the guys that have the other Bear races, the other Bear gravel races. You know, the Bear 100 and the Crystal Bear. Um- Okay...
• 26:15
  and so we, we've been chatting and we're putting together like an omnium series/Triple Crown sort of thing for next year.
• 26:24
  So our Bear races are all three weekends, consecutive weekends in a row in March, and then we have a s- we're put, we haven't decided how it's all gonna work yet, but we're having some sort of like Bear 1000 or a Triple Crown or something where, where we're gonna figure out omnium points for that.
• 26:42
  And then I think we're gonna include the, um, the Iron Bowl, uh, race in it too since that's right over there. And um, so watch for that.
• 26:50
  There'll be some weird sort of gravel omnium thing next year that we're- Sound, that sounds fun... sort of scheming on. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
• 26:57
  What about, what about like, uh, tomorrow, being Saturday as it will, what about, what do you know about the Fat Fish Fenton, uh, in Webster? Boy, you know, I'm super curious about that.
• 27:08
  Um, you know, I was gonna do my own sort of race in the sandy barrens of this, you know, northwestern Wisconsin. Uh, and I was gonna call mine the Valhalla Beach Party.
• 27:21
  But, but then I found out about- I don't think you should not do that either... I, I might not. I- You should definitely do that... but I, but I wanna check out theirs. I wanna get to know theirs.
• 27:30
  I don't know that I'm gonna be able to make it over for it or not. It's, it's definitely on my calendar, but there's a lot going on that weekend around here and stuff.
• 27:38
  So I, I don't know that I'm gonna be able to make it over for it this year. Um, they also have a- Well, I, it would be cool to check out, I mean, obviously
• 27:46
  They also have the Fenton, uh, their shorter one, their 40-miler, um, in the spring. And so if I don't get to do this one, I'll definitely do that, the sh- the shorter one, the 40 in, in the spring.
• 28:01
  Well, we t- we, you know, we've been talking about the Valhalla Beach Party for a while, and while I think the bike racing is fun and great, and a 40-miler would probably be way more than I would need to do up there, but I think it was, it, if you're gonna go all the way up th- even from Milwaukee it's five plus hours up there- Mm-hmm...
• 28:20
  let alone anywhere else. Basically you're, you're five plus hours from anywhere. Um, uh, it, it definitely needs to be like a, a weekend or a- Right. No, no, I get-...
• 28:30
  you know, some kind of, it needs to be, it needs to be more than just the race. It needs to be- You're right... you know, a, a happening.
• 28:36
  And, and I get, you're right, and I, I, I get the feeling that, you know, um, the Fenton stuff, like most other races and stuff are, are really more, they're, even though they're still, you know, no fat bike race is truly a race race, right?
• 28:51
  Um, but, but they're, they're still- Well, not, not with as much beer as involved with us, I certainly- Right. For at least for the everybody except the top 10%, they're, it's just a fun weekend.
• 29:02
  But that said, um, I agree with you and I like to put the party in the front and the race in the back, so sort of like the reverse mullet of, of, you know, bike racing. Um- Right.
• 29:12
  I got, my hair's getting long in the front. I'm gonna cut it all off in the back and be like one of them floppy hair Flock of Seagulls guys. I like it. Right. Your hair.
• 29:21
  Uh, so the one, the one race I- It ran so fa- or so far from the hair...
• 29:24
  the one race I am thinking I'm gonna try to pull off a n- a new event next year is gonna be called the Seely Search Party, and it's gonna be a messenger style event where, um, you get a manifest with GPS points and a description of what's there, and then no route.
• 29:43
  And you show up like at Sawmill Saloon Friday night and, you know, and there's a party that night, and you get your manifest. Yeah, yeah.
• 29:51
  And then if you don't get too drunk, you can try to figure out what your route's gonna be before the next morning. Oh. Witness. And then next- Hallelujah, brother. Witness. Oh, done. I'm totally done.
• 30:01
  And then the next morning everybody meets at Johnson's. Otherwise you just end up just spinning around Seely.
• 30:06
  And I, and I'm thinking the way that I, I'm thinking one way that I might do it is I might put, um, logger rounds out there and send at every one of the points that people are supposed to get to.
• 30:18
  And then I'm gonna give everybody like a handful of, uh, a handful of nails and washers With their, their number or their, you know, on it.
• 30:29
  And then they have to go hammer, shlagging out and pound their number, their, their lock- Pound their lock. I like this idea. I love it.
• 30:37
  Maybe you could, maybe you could get Air Tags on them from Apple so that you could track when it, when they actually showed up there and give Pri- [laughs] Oh, I know. This is... Yeah. Jesus, God, what happened here?
• 30:49
  All of a sudden we're- No, we're just throwing sh-... advertising for Mike... yeah, no, we're just throwing shit against the wall. It's technology, baby. Yeah. Just because they have the best computers in the world.
• 30:55
  We're just throwing shit against the wall, seeing what sticks. What, what, what, what, what, what, what. Hmm. Um, okay, Dave. So, uh- Sorry, V, you're not, the spaghetti's done... uh, hello, Dave.
• 31:01
  Dave, do we have you up there in, uh- Yeah, I'm, I'm here... northern Wisconsin? Dave's, we have Dave. We have Dave on the line up in northern Wisconsin right now. Dave is on the line. Bing.
• 31:09
  Is there any plan, Dave, up there in the Hayward area for the Global Fat Bike Day coming up on- Yeah. Yeah, yes... December 4th? Yeah, absolutely.
• 31:20
  Uh, CAMBA is actually doing something, uh, with the owners of Roam Adventure Basecamp. If people haven't stayed at Roam, it's a, it's an amazing place to stay.
• 31:30
  And you think about winter camping and you're like, "Uh, I don't know about that," but they've got, like, really great heated showers. They've got a sauna. They've got, um, flush toilets. It's, it's pretty deluxe.
• 31:41
  Um, and there are actually- Oh, I s- and, and they also- It's pretty deluxe... yeah, they have cabins too. Four cabins. I, you- Yeah. Yeah. There's- Four cabins and maybe, like, 50 people each...
• 31:47
  somewhere there's pictures of you with cabins. I know that. Yeah. Yeah, they're like A-frames and- There's four cabins that sleep... Yeah. Sounds fantastic.
• 31:54
  So they're doing some guided g- CAMBA's doing some guided rides, um, on Global Fat Bike Day. Um, so if you're not, if you're not going to, you know, whatever George's, you know, massive party,
• 32:10
  uh, uh, up, up on, you know, by him, uh, at Broken Spoke, or, or if you're not going to the, going down to the Milwaukee Beach, you know, Bradley Beach or something like that, um- Yeah, I don't know.
• 32:22
  I mean, w- so i- is your place booked? Is your place still taking bookings? Michael's looking at it online right now. You are booked.
• 32:30
  Um, you know- I was- You're booked on that weekend, but if I c- but if I come- Yeah, like, yeah... Tuesday and Thursday, and if, uh, he was there on a Thursday, then he'd just stay underneath.
• 32:40
  [laughs] On, on, in, in, i- y- yeah. There's, there's a lot of places to stay up on your comp. [laughs] Yeah. I, I could, I could bring my tent up there. I mean, there's gonna be a lot of beers. I don't care. Yeah.
• 32:51
  Uh, yeah. That, that does have something- Well, here's the, here's the thing about Global Fat Bike Day up here, though. The, the...
• 32:56
  and this, I believe, is why, 'cause CAMBA was talking about this when I was still working at CAMBA. The advantage that we have is that far more likely to actually have snow on Global Fat Bike Day. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 33:09
  Right. Yeah, no, absolutely. Than you are anywhere else. Yeah, down here, yeah, where, where you have more likelihood of getting hit by a snow plow. Yeah. [laughs] You know?
• 33:18
  [laughs] Yeah, no, I think that's actually a very good point. Um- Yeah... you know, I was thinking about doing George's thing.
• 33:25
  I was thinking about doing our own thing here, and that's also Santa Rampage Day here, so it's like, eh- Right... I don't know if I wanna kinda be- I know...
• 33:32
  sort of a, sort of a, a, a red-headed stepchild of, of Santa Rampage. That... Oh, wait. Can we say that anymore? You know, well, you know what? You could- Red-headed stepchild?
• 33:44
  [laughs] I haven't heard those- You wanna stick around for Rampage, and I totally understand that.
• 33:48
  You know what you could do if you wanted to support the bike bag is you could do, like, a Global Fat Bike side party for, for the, uh, Santa Cycle Rampage, and sort of ask everybody that does your, your, your, um, Global Fat Bike Day to
• 34:07
  pay for the 20 bucks or whatever it is to do the Santa Cycle Rampage.
• 34:11
  But you guys have, and you guys take part in it, but then you do your own, then head down to the beach or whatever you wanna do and do your own, you know, just do- Yeah. It's only an eight mile freaking ride. Yeah.
• 34:22
  Well, yeah, I'm kind of... I'm not positive what we're gonna do because I, I don't know what Gomez has planned. He, we, we haven't talked in a c- few weeks, so I gotta kinda catch up with if he has anything going on.
• 34:33
  Um, which, in which case- Well, I'm speaking of that right now... I would probably come up by you. [laughs] That'd be great. I think he would be like lettuce and- Um, the other thing, though, um-... western shit.
• 34:44
  Yeah, the other thing that's going on up here, though, a- and that's later, of course, um, but people put it on their calendar is, is the Fat Bike World Championship.
• 34:53
  It's already in the, it's already in the show notes, so if people wanna learn more about it, I got the link in there, but, uh- Yeah...
• 34:58
  yeah, do, do a, do a quick, uh, Down and Dirty on it, 'cause we got some time before then. Right. Yeah.
• 35:04
  So, well, you guys, you should let me know if you're wanna head up this way and, and be guaranteed some snow on Global Fat Bike Day, uh, let's, let's make, put a plan together. All right. Yeah, it sounds great.
• 35:17
  Uh, I think we, I think... Well, let me look, let me look back at my notes. I actually made notes for this show 'cause I didn't wanna have nothing to talk about. Yeah, you're overcompensating.
• 35:24
  E- even though Dave- Overcompensating for lack of computer... even though Dave al- always has good stuff to talk about. Uh, here's, here's my favorite one.
• 35:31
  So I put this on the notes, and it's, it's the psychology of the peanut butter jar. Uh-huh. I don't even know what that meant, but I just thought of it.
• 35:41
  [laughs] So okay, okay, okay, so normally- Oh, I have something that I- Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me... Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I just want- Okay. Okay...
• 35:49
  you're not gonna be done when you're done. [laughs] Just saying. Okay. No, okay. Now start. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now start.
• 35:56
  So peanut butter's been hard to come by in our neighborhood for some reason, so, uh, Wendy picked up this very small jar, like 16 ounce. It's very tiny.
• 36:04
  And 'cause normally we get the huge jars at, you know, Costco or something, 'cause I eat a lot of peanut butter. It's one of my favorite things.
• 36:11
  And I thought, "By gosh, this, this jar isn't gonna last three days with me. I'm gonna eat a lot of it." And like three weeks later, I'm still getting peanut butter out of it.
• 36:21
  Well, I found out that people in my house are taking it out of the big one and putting it in the little one because the big ones are so tall They're so tall that when you put a knife in them, you basically got no handle to hold onto 'cause it's full of peanut butter.
• 36:36
  So they just get, like, a spoon and keep filling this jar up, and I'm like, "This is really freaking me out, man." But I do see- [laughs]... the brilliance of it right now [laughs] because- Welcome to Costco. I love you.
• 36:46
  Welcome to Costco. I love you. So my, my brother-in-law had the, the best story of a guy with a VW Bug who kept bragging about how it got such great fuel efficiency, and he kept filling the tank [laughs].
• 37:00
  I'm like, "I..." [laughs] Classic. See? Yeah. I had no idea. I, I mean, it, there, there had to have been an explanation, but it, first, you know, for a little bit it didn't really affect me.
• 37:10
  And I'm a guy that likes to take Saltines and kinda scrape it out of inside the jar, so once it's below, you know, like, a Saltine depth, that's wasted peanut butter to me- Yeah...
• 37:20
  because that's the bottom three-quarters. [laughs] This is where the genius is. Here's where the brilliant Michael, Occasional Michael comes in. Occasional Mike is s- is sliding through the door.
• 37:28
  [laughs] So you take two tablespoons of soy sauce, a tablespoon of sesame oil. Oh, I like where this is going. And, uh- Makes a good sauce... let's see. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, a little garlic,
• 37:41
  uh, either powder or fresh. Doesn't matter. Whatever. Heat it up a little bit. Drop it in there? Nope. Heat it up. Drop it in there. Swoosh, swoosh, swoosh, swoosh, swoosh. Put it in cooked noodles.
• 37:51
  Swoosh, swoosh, swoosh, swoosh, swoosh. Put it in the fridge. Let it hang out for a day. This, this, I, I like where we're going with this. And that's how you deal with a 16-ounce thing of- Jar of peanut butter? Yeah.
• 38:03
  Oh, there you go. I actually have- Oh, and that's actually- I actually have, like, a-... after the peanut butter is out of it? Overusing that. No, you're overusing, like, what's stuck to the walls. I got it. I got...
• 38:12
  Yes, I got it. That makes a lot of sense. Michael, this is genius. Thank you. I, jeez. Brilliance. Yeah. Occasional Michael- Genius Michael came up. Yeah... strikes again.
• 38:20
  Well, I mean, it was worth the extra 10 minutes today to [laughs] - Yeah... get, get that recipe. Yeah. Get the recipe. All right. Dave, any, uh, any part...
• 38:29
  Well, let me see if I missed anything, 'cause I did have some stuff on here, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't know.
• 38:34
  Oh, this is something that I was kinda curious about is, um, I don't know if you've seen it, and I'll have a link in the show notes. There is actually a rustic road map of Wisconsin's rustic roads, of which- Yeah...
• 38:47
  honestly, there aren't that many in your area, but over in something called Florence County or something there's a ton of them. There's actually a bunch of them- Uh-huh... down here near Milwaukee.
• 38:56
  But I have the link in the show notes, and it has all 753 miles of the rustic roads that are in Wisconsin.
• 39:04
  And, and if you don't drive all of them at least once in your lifetime, I think you're missing out on a lot of awesome scenery, driving, beautifulness, et cetera. Don't be a jerk.
• 39:15
  Yep, I'm familiar with that, the maps and the whole program that, that was that. And you're right. Good, good road- Well then, wisdom is-... turned down line. You're better- Yeah...
• 39:25
  off turning down a road that has a rustic road sign than you are one that says pleasant view, 'cause- [laughs]... typically anything labeled pleasant view is done so ironically. Shady Hills- Oh, yeah... is shitty view.
• 39:38
  Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. Crappy road here. No. Yeah. So all right, Dave. Hey, thanks for, uh- Okay, guys... checking in.
• 39:46
  Uh, you had a lot of good stuff going on today, and, uh, we'll talk to you hopefully monthly, basically. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. 100%. All right, guys. All right. Bye, Dave. See you. Adios. Bye. Bye.
• 39:59
  Dave, uh, Schlobohmowski. Oh, Seely Dave. Seely Dave up there in, uh, Seely, Wisconsin, oddly enough. Yeah, the beauties, the beauties of the internet. I'm going, "Huh, and you are right."
• 40:12
  But- Well, there was a lot of good information in there, folks. Uh, for, I mean, Dave's a fantastic photographer, so all of that stuff is good. And the event stuff, I mean, I'm kinda trying to steer him in a direction.
• 40:25
  I want to do- I, he's, he wants to be, he wants to do exactly, I think, what we wanna do, which is, uh, what, what he said in that whole conversation somewhere, party in the front, race in the back. Yeah. Yeah.
• 40:37
  Which is, you know, a single-speed USA thing. There, there's a bunch of other stuff like that, but that's not like we don't need more of that kind of stuff. You can't gear down people's zest for bicycling. Zest for life.
• 40:49
  And in some ways, I was surprised. That was one thing with the tweet, right? There was no, like, path like... Eh, there were two.
• 40:57
  There were two that kinda just were, like, looked like they were like, "Oh, so what's the next stop?" kinda thing, you know? Like- Huh. But- Hopefully they went away before they got to my buddy, my buddy Danny's party.
• 41:10
  Buddy Danny Bub's. Exactly. All right, everybody. Thank, thanks- Wild and lonely... thanks for cricking a, for, uh- What is the secret of this power?... crack, crack a little latin into our show this week. Wonderful...
• 41:21
  and, uh, I think we're gonna be here next week too- Won't you take me away... if the gods will allow it... from the mucky muck and now? And what a beautiful serenade on the way out of the show. Mercy and amen.
• 41:37
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