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Episode 6: Joey Smith · Random Ass Dudes Podcast

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  Welcome to Rad Cast, the Random Ass Dudes podcast where
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  Chaos is guaranteed. Like your cat showing, yeah,
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  your hat or whatever. When you do talk, you have to
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  talk into the mic. Yeah, right into that right
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  there. Yeah.
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  Make it deeper. This.
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  Is the sweet spot. Hold on, let me close my eyes.
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  Make it deeper please. Oh, daddy, was it Howard Stern?
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  She's. On the microphone.
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  Yeah, she's sitting on the speaker.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I remember that.
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  Yeah. Dang, how old were we?
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  Probably like 10. Yeah, watching Howard Stern,
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  like Dale, like this is really interesting.
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  This is at. 1st I remember. Lifes going dude, I really.
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  Dude, I remember watching that and I was like, Dang, what is
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  she doing? And then you get like a little
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  bit older and you're like, ohh, shit.
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  I'm gonna go get it. Let me try that.
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  Yeah. Or stealing his moves.
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  Yeah, or like watching. Why are we not capturing?
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  This are we. It is.
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  It is. OK, yeah, why'd you have to ruin
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  it like that? That could have been a good
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  clip. Supernatural Moment.
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  It still is natural. I do.
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  I don't do dumb shit. OK, pretend like you didn't say
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  that and keep going. Yeah, OK.
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  So no, Ace Ventura, when he goes and finds that girl's dog and
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  then she goes down on him. Yeah.
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  And he's like doing. Yeah.
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  And that as a as a kid, I'm like, like, what?
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  I don't get it. But then you watch it when
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  you're older and you're like, oh shit.
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  There was a movie I just watched and it was one of those moments
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  where I I watched it as a kid and was like, good.
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  And I watched it as an adult and I was like, wow, yeah, that was
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  way better as an adult. Yeah.
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  I, I can't remember what it was. It was, it was pretty recent.
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  My wife and I both watched it. We were like, how do we miss all
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  that? Was Zach and me remaking porno?
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  No, that one was terrible. That was such a that movie, man.
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  Do you? Do you, do you watch a lot of
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  movies? Yeah, yeah.
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  I would say I have a problem with, like, memorizing lines
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  from movies. Yeah.
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  So I drop 1 liners on people all the time.
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  Really. Yeah.
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  It's a great way to like, I wish I could de ice.
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  Yeah. I wish I could remember that,
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  huh? You don't remember nothing.
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  What? Did you just say?
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  Yeah, see. No, it's hard.
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  We'll bring movies up or songs and he's like.
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  No. Well, movies I could kind of do.
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  It's the songs, man. I, I I don't know song names.
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  I don't know lyrics or singers, but I recognize them.
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  I feel like if I went on the what was that name, that tune,
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  if you could let me either just sing the lyrics, name the person
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  or the song, I would smash it. But like, if you're asking for,
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  like, all three, it's sometimes tough, but lyrics are.
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  I could sing a lot of songs, but that's like, I've been driving
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  around in a car. Yeah.
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  Yeah. 10 hours for two decades. I mean, you're going to learn
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  some music. Like, I remember this song.
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  Yeah. You know, there's nothing else
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  to do in the middle of the night.
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  It's 2:00 in the morning, and you're not working with anybody.
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  You're by yourself. Yeah.
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  And you're just like, you find out if you're a good or bad
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  singer pretty quick. Like it sounds great.
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  But are you honest with yourself, whether you're a good
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  or bad? Singer.
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  I'm a terrible singer. Yeah.
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  Yeah, All right. Well, Tucson in the karaoke bar.
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  Oh, really? And.
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  Do me a favor, not gonna work. Will you make that fan not come
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  this way? Yeah.
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  Oh is it hitting that take it off oscillation?
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  Yeah, what episode is this gonna be?
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  I don't even know. 5 or 6. You can't have 5 or 6.
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  No, we have 5. Well, are the girls gonna go
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  first? I don't know well if you didn't.
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  Release a couple, then you're on.
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  This would be 6. Yeah, you're on 6, OK.
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  Oh, so you've been watching? Yeah.
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  Yeah. Nice.
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  Awesome. Thank you for that.
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  Just share it though. It's in the middle of the night
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  at 2:00. I got nothing.
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  So I'm like, screw it, you know, throw it on.
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  I'll tell you my secrets. Yeah, that's awesome.
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  Can either listen to some country music or I'll just throw
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  it on a podcast. Right.
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  Right. I don't care who's podcast it
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  is. They all make me laugh.
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  Yeah, at some point in time. I mean, everyone all turn 1 off,
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  whatever, but sometimes they get going and I'm like whoever it
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  is. Like this shit's hilarious,
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  Yeah. All right, so we are here
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  Episode 6. Yes.
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  Episode 6 with Joey. Hello.
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  Joey is a police officer. Yep.
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  Here in Arizona, Yes. How long you been a police
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  officer? For 18 years. 18 years?
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  Yep. So you started, you started
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  right after high school, right? Yeah, so I got out of high
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  school, did some things for a couple of years and then went
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  right into the PD two years after.
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  Yeah. So I think legitimately like 2
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  years in a month or two months right after high school jumped
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  into the to the police Academy. Did you know that you wanted to
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  be a be a a police officer or? Yes, yeah, I knew.
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  I knew pretty young, probably like 10-12 years old.
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  And I was like, I think that's what I want to do.
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  And then it just grew. And then in high school that I,
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  I knew that's what I wanted to do eventually, maybe not like
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  that soon. Yeah.
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  But I had really nothing else. Well, I had some things going,
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  but I really didn't have anything going at that time.
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  I was like, might as well do it now in I was really big in the
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  future. So I got into it for retirement
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  too. You know some of the.
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  Retirement things and I knew that I wanted a a career that I
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  could look back on one, be proud of, but two, it also had some
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  sort of some golden carrot at the end where I get a pension
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  and retirement. I'm I'm, I'm taking care of
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  after the fact. You don't see that with a lot of
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  professions. You know, you could be a, a, a
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  banker or you could be, you know, a a Walmart regional
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  manager. Some of these big, big
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  corporations, they take care of you there, I feel.
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  Yeah, really good benefit packages and things like that.
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  But I'm talking after. You're after and.
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  You're kind of standing there at the crossroads, like in Tom
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  Hanks and Castaway, and he was like, where do I go now, you
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  know? So, well, and I, I guess, you
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  know, Tyler's getting ready to go through that process and I, I
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  don't even think that I thought that deep to it because how hard
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  you and I might have to work to save for that retirement and,
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  and you guys have the platform that that's going to assist you
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  guys in doing that. Yeah, and he's getting into it
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  young, as I understand too. I mean, I was really young.
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  He's he's young too. And if I give one piece of
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  advice to that person, it's go into retirement now, like right
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  away. If you're young, I don't want to
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  say you're struggling, but you know, you're young.
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  You want that paycheck, you see the money and it's, it's good.
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  But if you have the option, just go 10% right in your retirement
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  right away. I was told like, skip your first
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  raise and just put that in your retirement.
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  You'll never even know. You'll know.
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  But yeah, the quicker you can get to that 15% mark and then go
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  forward from there is is the best you can.
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  Obviously you still have to maintain some sort of little
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  wage and, you know, house payment and obviously houses are
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  a lot more expensive now than when I started.
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  Cars are more expensive, everything's more expensive.
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  But he also is going to make a lot more money than when I
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  started. So it's kind of relative
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  percentage wise. So yeah, just invest as quick as
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  you can that way, you know, you have that nest egg at the end.
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  And so that wasn't the only reason.
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  Obviously the the deeper reasons, but that was a, a
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  consideration of what I was going to do in life, whether
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  that be military or, you know, government or anything else.
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  Like I've always wanted to be a pilot.
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  Oh well, OK. It's never too late.
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  I'll probably still be a pilot at some point in my life, but,
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  you know, not next. Week that's that's pretty cool
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  that you thought about that that at that age because we're I know
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  we are the same age we are and I didn't think about that shit at
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  all like the whole retirement stuff I.
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  Know you weren't you weren't thinking about.
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  That no, I was not. I've actually known Shane a long
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  time. Yeah, I knew Shane in high
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  school. Shane's always been a good dude
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  though, man. Thank you.
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  Always had that good, strong moral compass.
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  And him and I are very alike, you know, always joking and
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  having a time. But we're also able to just kind
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  of buckle down and and do our thing.
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  I remember. Oh boy, here.
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  And you never know where this story is going to go.
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  I remember I. Remember the what?
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  Like one of the like, one of the core memories in in like high
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  school is with Joey, 'cause I remember he started this thing
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  where like, hey, we're going to, we're going to start a fight and
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  everybody just come around us and we're going to do thumb
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  wars. So like him and somebody else
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  were like doing like thumb wars and we're all like, fine.
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  And we're like running over there and it's just them and
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  people are trying to get in there to see the fight, you
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  know? Yeah.
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  Yeah, we probably almost started a couple fights.
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  Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure. All the teachers were in.
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  And then, I mean, the teachers would catch on, you idiots.
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  Yeah, yeah. What do you expect?
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  A bunch of 15 year old bored. Dudes doing, I know.
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  Yeah, you give us an hour. Yeah, eat our pizza and our egg
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  roll, and then we're like, what do we do now?
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  Yeah. Did you did you guys have an
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  open campus or was it closed campus?
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  Open, Open, Yeah, Yeah, I think it was like shortly after they
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  closed it it, yeah. So.
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  A couple years. Yeah, I want to say our
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  sophomore year it was still open.
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  And then I think our junior year they closed it to just juniors
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  and seniors. And then we had a huge class
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  too. So, you know, I, I, my
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  daughter's going into high school this year and I think
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  her, her class is like 400. I think we had like 9.
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  Yeah, we had. Close to 1000.
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  Close to 1000. Yeah, it was a lot.
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  Our graduation ceremony took like 3 hours just reading.
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  Names. Yeah, it was.
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  Yeah. And then like the Mexican names
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  were all long. Well, there was a lot.
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  There was a lot of them at that stage, yeah.
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  There was, yeah. They're like, yeah.
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  You know, there was, there was a, there's a lot of everything.
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  There. Adam Jones, Yeah.
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  You know, and then they get to the Hispanic name.
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  Yeah. You know, they're like Mauricio
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  Gonzalez, Ortega Hernandez, the third, yeah.
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  And then four of them stand up well.
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  Then the crowd would go crazy because he always got this huge
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  family. You know, 60 or 70, Yeah.
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  Right. That's why they cut it down to
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  you get 4 tickets. Yeah, that's it.
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  Yeah. I always tell people, too, like,
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  I was lucky enough to grow up in an area where it was really
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  diverse. Yeah.
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  And I think he translated into just people are people, man.
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  Yeah. He doesn't even matter to me.
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  Yeah, he really doesn't. Yeah.
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  But I grew up in AI, grew up in a space that that wasn't a
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  thing. It was never.
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  First off, Arizona is a very big melting pot.
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  Oh, for sure. It's not like back east.
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  I've been back east a lot of places and you, you do got to
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  get a little sideways back there.
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  Yeah, there's a. Definite cultural divide.
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  Yeah, when you go. Back and then yeah and so I and
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  I grew up with that so that was I was lucky enough to have that
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  around so. Yeah.
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  Does that help you relate to people while you are on the job
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  100. Percent Well, that and I
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  obviously I grew up in the city that I work for too.
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  So like I, I didn't get pulled from, you know, I wasn't in
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  Malibu, CA in the city in Arizona.
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  Yeah, I grew up in that community.
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  So like, I'm part of that. That's got to feel good though
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  'cause you're giving back to the community that you grew up in.
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  Yeah, yeah. Fortunately, I haven't run into
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  a lot of people, which means I obviously chose my friends
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  wisely. Sure.
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  But yeah, I mean, I think it just helps understand that that
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  that dynamic of that culture, like understanding the 'cause
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  you do, you have to understand the people you're working with
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  and what their social makeup is, you know what, what kind of
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  money they're making, you know, economical situations, things
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  like that. All that comes in a into a, into
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  a factor. You know, I'd imagine working in
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  Hollywood that's it's pretty tough when you're, you know,
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  dealing with these high profile. People you know you.
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  Stop Tom Brady on his way to the Super Bowl.
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  Yeah, Yeah, they're playing Sony in Cali.
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  I think the expectation is you make sure he doesn't make it
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  there, right, Try to win the game.
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  But yeah, there's, you know, there's some high, high profile
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  areas and I'm glad I don't work in any of those.
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  Yeah, you're under scrutiny as it is.
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  Is there any like that in Arizona?
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  Well, just imagine Scottsdale. Yeah, Scottsdale probably runs
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  into it a little bit. Yeah.
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  What's the one up there? N like Paradise Valley?
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  Paradise Valley, Yeah, you've got some big, big high end
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  things. And then I mean, obviously
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  there's big things going on in the valley throughout, you know,
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  you've got the the West side as State Farm Stadium and things
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  like that. They're all some pretty big
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  things. There's a lot of people that
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  come into those. So Ufcs here, sometimes UFC
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  draws a lot of different type. Do you get the opportunity to
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  work those events at all? Not UFC.
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  So I've I've worked some, let's see, I've worked the the NCAA
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  March Madness was here Final Four, we worked that worked the
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  both bowl games that are here, the Fiesta Bowl and then inside
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  Bowl I. Think was here at inside.com.
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  We've done Super Bowl a couple times and then we do dignitary
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  protection. So I've done, I think President
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  Trump, I think I've done his security 2/2 times.
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  And then MM Pence, that was a trip to talk about that.
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  But the I was like literally like his guy for the day.
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  I wasn't told that when I woke up.
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  Did he have flies all over his head?
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  No. I was like, what the heck?
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  Like, that's crazy. It's one of those things when
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  you're just doing your job, right?
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  Yeah. And then you go home and your
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  wife's like, hey, how was your day?
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  You're like, sit down. Yeah, let me tell you.
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  I just protected the Vice president of the United States
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  of America. That's like what?
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  Yeah, how how do you, how do you, how do they pick you like
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  they. Didn't I mean they it?
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  It's just part of the details just where I ended up any it
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  could have been any of us, but you know, 888 of us were on that
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  team or ten of us were on that team and then he came into town.
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  We picked them up and then as you know, we go into this room.
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  Let me back up. We'll just start.
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  This is the story, right? For sure.
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  But real quick back to what we do like the dignity
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  interpretation. So when Kamala Harris was in
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  town, Biden was in town. We've done that.
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  So I've been part of those details and some of those big
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  events. But as far as working, you know,
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  every day, you know, or, or but there's not like a thing, I can
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  sign up and be like, hey, I'm going to go to the UFC and and
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  do this detail. Some of them are permanent spots
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  and then, you know, the city takes the inside.
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  But so, yeah, back to the Mike Pence thing.
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  Just one of those things in life.
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  So the we gear up and we're like, hey, we're going to go do
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  this thing, tear protection thing.
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  Not a big deal. Just another day at the office.
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  So we load up, we go down. And you don't know who it is.
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  I knew who it was. Yeah, we knew we were knew we
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  were doing the the detail there. So, but it's just another, you
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  don't know what your detail is, I guess.
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  So sometimes you're blocking roads.
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  So you're like in this caravan and all you're doing is blocking
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  side roads, giving them? A.
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  A. A clear path.
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  Listen, you don't want the president or vice president of
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  the United States to stop anywhere on this route.
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  It's got to be a fluid route, right?
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  So I know it shuts down I-10 and everybody's upset about it,
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  what's going on, Or like, I know when I think Biden was here,
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  they shut down the three O 3 and everybody's up in arms about it.
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  I'm like, listen, the president of the United States cannot stop
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  on route. Like, do you know how dangerous
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  that is? That's a big deal.
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  Yeah, he's, yeah, he's kind of a big deal.
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  So so we, we, we go to Sky Arbor.
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  It's like this private part of the airport that I've obviously
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  never been to. And he flies in.
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  And then prior to that, we, we have a meeting.
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  And so we walk in and I'm looking around and I'm like,
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  where is everybody? You know, where's like the
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  Secret Service And he's got guys with him.
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  You know, there's a there's A tag team there, but there's just
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  one guy. Is there like team leader?
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  And he's like, hey, yeah, this is what we're going to do.
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  Here's our route. Shows us everything.
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  We're like, OK, it's like it's being secured this and that.
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  And I'm like, OK, you know, and time's going on.
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  And then he's like, all right, let's load up.
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  So we're like, OK, so we load up and then I'm like, is his guys
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  coming with us? You are.
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  They're like, no, you're you are the guy.
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  I'm like, wait a minute, what do you mean we're the guys really.
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  And they're like, yeah, so unbeknownst to me, it's just a,
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  it's, it's like local tactical guys that take those routes.
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  And then he's like, well, we don't know the area.
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  You guys are the professionals in the area.
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  And I was like, what? Yeah, that makes sense.
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  Like we're going into my city, right, 'cause he's doing a, he's
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  doing his rally in my city. Nobody knows our city like we
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  do. And we've already got a
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  stronghold there. And so we're like, alright, so
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  we pick him up Now there's, now he has his own like internal
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  security guys, right? So there's there's a grip of
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  them, but as far as like, the next thing I know we're we're
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  like, oh, there he is. OK, He's coming off Air Force
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  One and comes down and gets in his car and there we go.
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  And then we're in the caravan and they're like, yeah, just do
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  this. And I'm like, OK, so we're like
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  on the freeway, like doing these maneuvers and stuff.
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  And I've never done that before, you know?
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  And so there was no prior meeting or training or.
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  So we we have dignitary protection training that we do.
• 16:38
  So it's not something like but I was just wondering.
• 16:40
  Specifically for this, it was just like, hey, this is where
• 16:43
  you're going. Yeah, there's no OPS plan.
• 16:44
  There is no like. Textbook for it, yeah.
• 16:46
  OK, so you showed. Him in and didn't know you were
• 16:48
  doing this. Not that in depth, no, because
• 16:51
  we're doing dignitary protection for other people, you know,
• 16:54
  governors, mayors and things like that.
• 16:56
  And it's it's, it's typically pretty low key.
• 16:59
  Like I said, you're kind of securing routes or you're,
• 17:01
  you're securing locations or like they come on location and
• 17:05
  you're just kind of there as a security force or an emergency
• 17:08
  task force if something does happen, not like the doing the
• 17:12
  transport. So it's kind of a trip.
• 17:15
  So there we are driving down the freeway in this caravan.
• 17:18
  I'm like, oh, we're part of this, this is kind of cool.
• 17:20
  And then we get where we're going.
• 17:22
  So, so we can do his rally and we show up and it just the way
• 17:25
  it worked out. I'm like standing basically next
• 17:28
  to stage and I'm like, OK, if something happens, I have to do
• 17:32
  something. Yeah, yeah, you're the.
• 17:34
  Shield, this is crazy. Yeah, this is crazy.
• 17:36
  Sock. Thank.
• 17:36
  Thank goodness nothing happened. I didn't.
• 17:39
  I just didn't want to be on YouTube.
• 17:40
  Yeah, right. Look at this guy.
• 17:44
  Well, you look the part, so you. Just get up there and you just
• 17:47
  like start pointing and stuff. Yeah, people always think you
• 17:49
  know what you're doing so. Well, that's what I do at work.
• 17:51
  If I walk really fast, yeah, nobody bothers me.
• 17:54
  Yeah, the other, the other key is if you just take a clipboard,
• 17:57
  you walk around with a clipboard and a pen, everything's really
• 17:59
  busy. Oh yeah, you get away a lot of
• 18:00
  stuff. So that was, that was pretty
• 18:02
  trippy, though. I was like, here we are, you
• 18:03
  know, and then he gets in, we we caravan him out of there, we
• 18:06
  drive him to, to Luke and off he goes.
• 18:09
  I mean, it was damn couple hours we were.
• 18:12
  So let me ask you this then. What is your take on the
• 18:19
  assassination attempt on President Trump then?
• 18:22
  It's a good question. Now I'm not the end all be all.
• 18:25
  I know, but you have more experience.
• 18:26
  Than I am but my opinion is communication breakdown.
• 18:30
  That's that's that's where you and that's where you're going to
• 18:33
  see most of things go wrong is communication.
• 18:37
  Either I saw something or you saw something and it didn't get
• 18:40
  relayed either fast enough or somebody's scared to say
• 18:43
  something like I don't want to be that guy.
• 18:45
  So they they don't say something and then it happens.
• 18:47
  You know, like man, you know what's going to happen or
• 18:50
  something like. That I wonder how much of that
• 18:51
  actually goes on now. Like everybody's afraid to say a
• 18:53
  lot. Yeah, they don't want to be the
• 18:55
  the person, they don't want to be in trouble.
• 18:56
  And then and then they don't want to be, you know, this is a
• 18:58
  this is an interesting industry to be in, you know, military,
• 19:02
  PD, fire, there's that that fellowship and everybody makes
• 19:05
  fun of each other. It's just like the way the
• 19:06
  outlet. Some people don't like that
• 19:08
  though. So me, I've been ball busting
• 19:11
  for years. Yeah, like in high school,
• 19:13
  right? It's a thing for me.
• 19:14
  Matter of fact, if you don't bust my balls, I'm like, this
• 19:16
  guy doesn't like me. Exactly, you know?
• 19:19
  And I dish it out really thick, you know?
• 19:22
  Yeah, like but can take it. Yes, I, I, I invite it in.
• 19:25
  Yeah, because it just fuels me to go even more.
• 19:27
  And eventually they're just like, I'm like the last word
• 19:29
  gay. It's like you get going and, and
• 19:32
  like you're walking away and you're like at some point, at
• 19:34
  some point we got to. Break this up together.
• 19:36
  Yeah, well, Joey, Joey was one of the people that I didn't talk
• 19:39
  shit to because I knew you. Were not just coming yeah he's
• 19:43
  coming yeah and I still hold true to that but it's all in
• 19:46
  good fun yeah and if I'm not busting your balls there's a
• 19:48
  good chance I don't like you for sure so yeah so I you know so do
• 19:53
  you think back on it like you got I'm looking at the whole
• 19:55
  picture like the guy in in I'm going to try to go off what I
• 19:58
  remember. Like the guy shows up, he's seen
• 20:03
  with like, binoculars and backpack.
• 20:05
  Yeah. And then?
• 20:07
  Like he's scoping out the play. Yeah, so he's like taking.
• 20:09
  Like a range Finder or some shit and.
• 20:11
  Things like that. And from what I understand, like
• 20:15
  somebody may have seen him on the roof and it like I said, it
• 20:19
  just didn't get communicated fast enough.
• 20:22
  And then also you have to you have to understand like kind of
• 20:24
  what I was just saying. So it's, it's multi agency,
• 20:26
  right? So I'm assuming and, and this is
• 20:30
  just law enforcement in general. So you've got like a, a talk
• 20:33
  center, like tactical operation center.
• 20:35
  So you got like tactics. So they're usually on their own
• 20:37
  team, they're on their own channel, right?
• 20:39
  Because you're dealing with this is law, law enforcement, law
• 20:42
  enforcement in general. So typically you're going to
• 20:43
  have like the tactical channel, right?
• 20:45
  That's where all your tac guys are in, in case things happen.
• 20:47
  And the reason that happens is because logistically, if, if
• 20:51
  there's a, a, something happening where the, the attack
• 20:55
  guys are involved, like we just don't need all the other stuff
• 20:59
  in our ear, like he's just like, I don't need to hear that
• 21:02
  there's a suspicious person or there's a traffic stop or we're
• 21:05
  going to investigate this or whatever the case may be.
• 21:08
  So tactic, tactic's usually on one command is usually on their
• 21:11
  own. And, and the reason that happens
• 21:13
  command is they, they have, they have oversight of the whole
• 21:15
  thing. So they're looking at the
• 21:18
  traffic guys who are blocking traffic now they're dealing,
• 21:22
  they they got to listen to attack channel.
• 21:24
  They got to listen to sometimes like the motors have their own
• 21:26
  channel because they're they're doing traffic stops and whatever
• 21:28
  in the area. They have like internal security
• 21:31
  channel, they have an exterior channel, everything.
• 21:34
  So imagine if one of the external security guys, police
• 21:41
  see something, he puts it out, it's going to get vetted, right?
• 21:44
  So it's going to go back to command.
• 21:46
  Command's going to listen to it. If they deem it necessary,
• 21:48
  they'll they're going to have to put out the tack.
• 21:50
  So now it's getting communicated around and around and around.
• 21:52
  How long could that take? It could take a little while,
• 21:54
  right? So what I think happened was
• 21:57
  it's my printing, you know, I don't know this is gospel or
• 21:58
  anything, but I think what happened was this guy got into
• 22:00
  position and they were like, I don't want to say downplaying
• 22:03
  it, but they were just like, it's kind of a normal, this is
• 22:05
  weird. What's this guy doing on the
• 22:06
  roof, you know? So let's go investigate that.
• 22:08
  By the time that they knew what was happening and putting it out
• 22:12
  like that just didn't get communicated back fast enough.
• 22:16
  And all those people, I'll say this too, like all the where
• 22:19
  they were like on that, I don't know, on the barn.
• 22:21
  What do you want to call that? Structure.
• 22:23
  Yeah. Like an exterior shed, That
• 22:24
  structure. I'm going to bet that that
• 22:27
  that's like their command center.
• 22:29
  And let's be honest, they got complacent.
• 22:31
  Like this is our command center. There's there's 50 cops in here.
• 22:34
  Nobody's going to mess with this.
• 22:35
  And so their exterior guy, I think is the one that saw it,
• 22:41
  went to go address it. I don't know that he put it out
• 22:43
  immediately. If he didn't, then that's
• 22:46
  probably what what what happened, you know, and he he
• 22:49
  went up there to communicate it. And by that time it's over.
• 22:51
  I mean, it's too fast. I mean, these things happen
• 22:53
  really, really fast. Could they have thwarted that a
• 22:56
  little earlier? Probably, you know, maybe I
• 22:59
  don't know. And then, well, there's also
• 23:01
  stuff about like they couldn't chew because the roof was
• 23:04
  slanted or they couldn't get somebody over.
• 23:06
  Here pitched. Pitched or something?
• 23:09
  Yeah. Is that so?
• 23:11
  I've never been a counter marksman or sniper.
• 23:13
  I've never been in that, in that I've never held that position.
• 23:15
  So I wouldn't even I wouldn't be able to comment on that as far
• 23:19
  as if that was doable, not doable.
• 23:21
  I'm going to assume those guys are are professionals like any
• 23:23
  other, anybody else. And I'm going to take them at
• 23:25
  their word. They're like, I didn't have that
• 23:27
  shot. I'm going to trust that they
• 23:28
  probably didn't have. It I would say like, you know,
• 23:30
  from the outside looking in, it's really easy to, you know,
• 23:33
  pick apart everything that you just see from the media, right?
• 23:37
  You don't like, I've never been to that place, you know, so it's
• 23:41
  real easy to be like, Oh well, you know, these guys were on a
• 23:44
  pitched roof. How can they, you can put guys
• 23:46
  on this pitched roof like you don't really know what the whole
• 23:49
  logistics and the setting of that whole event was like, so.
• 23:56
  Right. And things in law enforcement
• 23:58
  typically are, are super fast. They're rapidly evolving.
• 24:01
  Yeah, they're violent or they can get violent really, really
• 24:03
  quick. And you're asking guys to make
• 24:05
  these decisions, you know, split second decisions.
• 24:09
  And the only thing that they have is either their experience
• 24:11
  or training. Those are the two things that
• 24:13
  are going to make you make your decision.
• 24:14
  Like if you think all of a sudden these guys in law
• 24:17
  enforcement are going to like, have this epic epiphany what to
• 24:21
  do in this circumstance, that's not how it happens.
• 24:24
  Like it's just bang, what do I, what do I do?
• 24:26
  What have I have I seen something, anything like this
• 24:28
  before in my life? And what did I do to help solve
• 24:30
  that problem? And did it work or didn't work?
• 24:32
  And, and you're basing on that. So when you're asking these
• 24:35
  people who've never been put in a situation to all of a sudden
• 24:37
  rise to this occasion and, and come up with this elaborate
• 24:40
  plan, it's just not going to happen.
• 24:42
  So, and it's, it's, it's, it's, I put it on both, right.
• 24:45
  So I think agencies got to get their guys trained, but I think
• 24:48
  guys got to take training serious too.
• 24:50
  And it's got to be both ways. Can't.
• 24:54
  The agency could put on a really, really good training,
• 24:56
  but if the officer's there and he's not interested, where he's
• 24:59
  not paying attention, then he didn't get it.
• 25:02
  It's like anything else you're going to get out of it.
• 25:03
  What you put it to it. Yes, 100%.
• 25:05
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You, you go to a Brazilian
• 25:07
  jujitsu gym or boxing gym and you're going 50% and you've
• 25:11
  never spotted 100%. But I hate to tell you this, but
• 25:14
  when he goes 100% for the first time, you're getting you're not
• 25:17
  yeah, you can get your your block knocked off and you're
• 25:19
  going to be like, what the hell do I do now?
• 25:20
  You know, this never happened. Your brain literally doesn't
• 25:23
  have an answer for it. You got to like make it up on
• 25:25
  the fly and then try making it up on the fly when rounds are
• 25:29
  flying right from being able to fly when somebody's trying to
• 25:32
  kill you, try to make a decision like that is just not something
• 25:35
  people deal with in the world. And unfortunately, you guys are
• 25:39
  put under a microscope when something like that happens.
• 25:41
  I mean, 100% it, it's, it's sad to say, you know, like it's
• 25:45
  there's situation where it's kill or be killed and then you
• 25:48
  guys instantly are the are the bad person.
• 25:50
  Yeah. Everybody knows how to do our
• 25:51
  job. Yeah, right.
• 25:53
  Well, it's like watching, you know you like, watch football,
• 25:56
  right? Like, you know, you, you watch
• 25:59
  the NFL. Oh, yeah, you're a Chargers fan.
• 26:01
  Yeah, we know that it's annoying, but yeah, you like,
• 26:08
  you like watch games and, you know, you hear people that's
• 26:10
  probably never played football be like, oh, well, why didn't he
• 26:12
  just run that way? It's like wide open.
• 26:14
  It's like, well, you're not in it.
• 26:15
  Like it's completely different. And it's, I feel like it's the
• 26:18
  same with like law enforcement, you know, all these cell phones
• 26:21
  are around, like why didn't you shoot him in the leg or use his
• 26:24
  Taser? It's like you're not in that
• 26:26
  position. It's.
• 26:26
  Easy to judge from the couch. Yeah, You know what?
• 26:28
  I. Mean and I don't think so and
• 26:31
  and to to go full circle on that I don't I don't think the
• 26:34
  general public so law enforcement in general has done
• 26:37
  a really poor job of educating the public like we have a huge
• 26:39
  platform to do it now, but the general public I don't think
• 26:46
  understands use of force. I don't think they understand
• 26:49
  human ability like sometimes you y'all see a use of force and
• 26:53
  people like why didn't you do this dude?
• 26:54
  I'm like that's so far out the actual ability of a human being
• 26:58
  that you're asking this person to to whatever they're in.
• 27:01
  You know, you're asking to do something so much so far outside
• 27:04
  of what can actually be done. And then I don't think they
• 27:07
  understand the way that use of force is broken down and how
• 27:10
  it's looked upon. And one of the things I think
• 27:14
  that has fallen and it, it's kind of double right.
• 27:17
  Like the like the, the use of body cameras and stuff.
• 27:19
  Like I think body cameras are great.
• 27:21
  I, I haven't changed the way I do law enforcement at all.
• 27:24
  Not one bit, right? I haven't changed my
• 27:26
  personality. I haven't changed the way I talk
• 27:28
  to people. I've got, I mean, do I get in
• 27:29
  trouble sometimes? Sure.
• 27:31
  I've been talked to. I haven't done anything illegal
• 27:33
  or not unethical or immoral or anything like that.
• 27:34
  But like, if I'm on the street and some dudes like, dude, fuck
• 27:38
  you. I'm like, yeah, fuck you too,
• 27:40
  bitch, right. Because then guess what?
• 27:42
  And I was like, oh, OK, but guess what, 10 minutes later, me
• 27:45
  and that dude are cool, right? We are.
• 27:47
  It's just the way it is. And and guys forget that or
• 27:50
  they, they don't understand that dynamic like you do.
• 27:53
  This is an alpha job, you know, especially in some, some of the
• 27:57
  some of the spots you got to be like, what's the first step in
• 28:01
  use of force? It's officer presence.
• 28:03
  And that's gotten me out of way more fights than anything else.
• 28:07
  Way more fights I've won with officer presence than I have
• 28:10
  with fists, like 100 times more, right.
• 28:13
  And so when you get into this use of force spectrum, people
• 28:17
  don't understand how it's broken down, what the reactions are,
• 28:21
  how you're judged. And you know, it's, it's based
• 28:25
  on the training, the experience of the officer to how long that
• 28:30
  officers, what, how long has that officer been around 'cause
• 28:33
  if you've been, if you've been on the job for 10 years and
• 28:36
  you're making a decision like a two year officer, it's a
• 28:38
  problem, right? So when, when they go to break
• 28:42
  it down, the other thing that you don't understand is like
• 28:44
  hindsight 2020, right? So you have the luxury sitting
• 28:47
  and watching this happen and pausing it and rewinding it.
• 28:52
  That that's, that's in hindsight, man.
• 28:55
  And if you go back and you ask an officer, I would say 9 out of
• 28:59
  10, if not ten out of 10 times you asked an officer to be
• 29:02
  honest, they're like, yeah, I would probably do this now that
• 29:06
  now, But when are they going to do that?
• 29:08
  The next time they learn from it, Yeah.
• 29:11
  So yeah, if you've got the officer and he's doing the same
• 29:13
  thing over and over again, that's a problem.
• 29:15
  How often do you guys train? Well, that's.
• 29:18
  Kind of a loaded question because everybody gets a little
• 29:19
  different. Like I'm I get to train probably
• 29:22
  the most. OK, so let's talk about basic
• 29:25
  officer out there in the police, not enough, not enough probably.
• 29:29
  Again, is that on the department or is that on the officer say?
• 29:32
  Again, it's probably both. It's probably both you.
• 29:35
  So you should be going out and finding your own trainings and
• 29:40
  then going to those trainings, whatever however they apply to
• 29:42
  what your position is, so. Internally.
• 29:45
  Yes, and then the department should be putting out training.
• 29:48
  The department does a good job. They put out a lot of training.
• 29:50
  They do again, what's the buy in of that officer?
• 29:55
  Because you go to a Taser training every year, right?
• 29:57
  You got to be certifying your Taser.
• 29:59
  It's kind of once you've been there, you've kind of done it.
• 30:02
  It's kind of just like mundane, I guess, but you do have to take
• 30:05
  it, you know, serious. You more so like the case law
• 30:08
  stuff is, is big, like what's happening in the and you know,
• 30:12
  not only in your region, but other regions.
• 30:14
  So you got to be, you got to be up on your case law.
• 30:15
  Like one of the big, one of the biggest things that came out
• 30:19
  that changed the way we did business.
• 30:21
  I don't know how long ago it was.
• 30:22
  I'd be misquoting if I I did that.
• 30:23
  But there was a, a case where man, law enforcement changes a
• 30:27
  ton right about to go back and be like, yeah, I used to do
• 30:29
  this, which was which was crazy at the time, it was cool.
• 30:33
  But now you look back and you're like, that kind of makes sense.
• 30:35
  So there there's a there's a capital case that came out where
• 30:38
  basically you, you know, I arrest you take you into custody
• 30:41
  for whatever it is you're driving down the road.
• 30:42
  I stop, you got a warrant. I search your car.
• 30:45
  That was normal. It's incident to an arrest.
• 30:47
  But now they're saying, Hey, you can't search that car unless you
• 30:50
  got probable cause of believe there's evidence in that car of
• 30:53
  that crime, right? So you do a shoplifting, it's
• 30:55
  easy. You just do a shoplift.
• 30:57
  There's merchandise in the car. Now I have probable cause search
• 30:58
  that car because I believe there's evidence in the car.
• 31:01
  But if you were DUI, what evidence is in the car?
• 31:06
  Yeah, unless you have open container.
• 31:08
  Open changes, things like that always can be circumstantial.
• 31:10
  Does the for for like for shoplifting, does that call have
• 31:16
  to come in as a shoplifting call in order for you to assume that
• 31:21
  it's a shoplifter or it will it, you know what I'm saying?
• 31:25
  Like, you can't just pull somebody over for speeding and
• 31:28
  be like, oh, you got groceries, you're shoplifting.
• 31:30
  Yeah, no, it can definitely turn into that.
• 31:32
  It can turn into that. Yeah.
• 31:34
  You know, for instance, you stop a car and he's got all these
• 31:36
  electronics in the back, and you're like, hey, what are you
• 31:39
  doing? I'm a computer scientist.
• 31:40
  OK, that makes sense. You know, you stop a guy who's
• 31:42
  got these computers in the back. What do you do for work?
• 31:45
  I don't work. Where you going?
• 31:47
  My friend's house. OK. 10 minutes later, you're
• 31:49
  like, hey, so where were you going?
• 31:51
  I was going home. Do they?
• 31:53
  Stories are changing, right? So now you're kind of like, I
• 31:55
  don't know about that. So now I'm asking for that
• 31:57
  consent kind of makes sense now, right?
• 31:59
  And he's like, yeah, you could search for.
• 32:00
  I got nothing to hide because he doesn't realize you're going to
• 32:02
  run the serial number of one of those laptops and find out it
• 32:04
  was stolen, taken in a burglary. And now you're, you know, you
• 32:07
  own the car now and everything else.
• 32:09
  So those things, those obviously can turn into things.
• 32:11
  Yeah. Is that is that part of training
• 32:13
  is like asking specific questions to get the truth or?
• 32:16
  I would say it's more experience, Yeah.
• 32:18
  You just got to, you'll know, Like you get done.
• 32:21
  You're like, oh, man, I knew there's there's something in
• 32:24
  there, but I I just, I don't know what.
• 32:25
  I didn't. And then you get your trainer to
• 32:26
  be like, yeah, so this may be how you could approach it next
• 32:29
  time, you know, doing this or doing that, you got to get real
• 32:31
  crafty. You really do.
• 32:33
  And it's not everyone's like, oh, you're doing this or that to
• 32:36
  the criminals. I'm like, oh, sorry, I'm sorry.
• 32:38
  Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm out savvy the criminals who
• 32:41
  out savvy you to commit their crime.
• 32:44
  Exactly. So I'm trying to get on their
• 32:45
  level. Too not real sensitive to that.
• 32:47
  No, I'm not. Yeah.
• 32:48
  What's like, what's sometimes frustrating is like how people
• 32:52
  think that, you know, cops are psychologists or they expect
• 32:56
  them to be psychologists. Expects to be everything.
• 32:58
  Yeah. It's crazy.
• 32:59
  So when I first got hired, mental health was not a thing.
• 33:01
  It was a thing, but we didn't deal with it, right.
• 33:04
  Like, what was we talked about? We didn't go.
• 33:06
  It was. It's there.
• 33:07
  We dealt with it. Yeah.
• 33:08
  In your own way, but. We weren't, we weren't the like,
• 33:10
  we weren't the, the experts in it.
• 33:14
  We're still not experts, but we're a lot better than we were.
• 33:17
  But like, I would go to a mental health call and like kind of
• 33:20
  like put the Band-Aid on it, 'cause I'm, I'm a criminal guy,
• 33:24
  right? I'm deal with a criminal.
• 33:25
  So this is civil or it's not criminal.
• 33:27
  Like my authority's kind of gone.
• 33:29
  I don't have much authority over somebody that's not criminal in
• 33:32
  nature, right? So we go to these calls, It's
• 33:34
  super, super difficult to deal with these mental health
• 33:37
  patients 'cause I'm not a doctor.
• 33:39
  I don't know what to do. I don't know what you're
• 33:41
  experiencing and wasn't trained on that.
• 33:44
  And so now it's like, hey, my son is having a bipolar, you
• 33:50
  know, or schizophrenic freak out and you got to come deal with
• 33:53
  this and you're like, OK, well, we're only equipped to deal with
• 33:58
  so much, right? And these, these people are very
• 34:01
  volatile. You know, they'll, they'll,
• 34:03
  they'll go up and down really, really fast.
• 34:05
  And if an officer sees that as a threat, well, guess what he's
• 34:07
  going to do? What does his training tell him
• 34:08
  to do? Take him down.
• 34:10
  Yeah, deal with it like he's a criminal.
• 34:11
  He's not a criminal, but that's, that's where your mind's going
• 34:14
  to go because that's what we deal with 99% of the time.
• 34:16
  So now we pick, you know, we do petitions, we get these people
• 34:19
  picked up, we take them to mental health.
• 34:20
  You know, we're a lot more involved.
• 34:22
  And I got to tell you, man, the mental health in Arizona isn't
• 34:24
  great, but it is it, it's there, it's good.
• 34:27
  And they help us out tremendously.
• 34:28
  They have like a no wrong door policy.
• 34:30
  You can show up at any mental health facilities with anybody
• 34:32
  that wants to go voluntarily. They're not going to tell you
• 34:34
  no. They're going to get them right
• 34:35
  in. It's gotten a lot better.
• 34:38
  That's good to know. Like in the in the early 2000s,
• 34:41
  you'd have somebody having this mental breakdown you got.
• 34:43
  Yeah. I don't know where to take them.
• 34:44
  Right. Yeah.
• 34:44
  Where do I take this guy? What do I do?
• 34:46
  Take him to the mental hospital. Where's that at?
• 34:48
  I don't know where that's at. Yeah.
• 34:49
  Take him to the actual hospital and throw it in their lap.
• 34:51
  And so it was like this past the buck kind of thing.
• 34:53
  So Arizona's gotten a lot more into the mental health, like
• 34:57
  they've doped in and they've realized like we needed help and
• 35:00
  it. It's been.
• 35:01
  Does it? Do you feel like it helps you
• 35:03
  guys? That's what I was going to ask
• 35:05
  because like what about for you guys?
• 35:06
  Cuz let's be. Honest like.
• 35:08
  Yeah. Like, yeah, it's.
• 35:09
  There's a huge support system. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:11
  Yeah, because I was imagine you guys need it as much or more.
• 35:14
  Yeah, because of what you guys see in the field.
• 35:16
  Yeah, it affects everybody different.
• 35:18
  Luckily I haven't had anything crazy where I'm like, oh man,
• 35:22
  like this, this I I've never really gone home and really held
• 35:24
  on anything emotionally, but I I can only imagine what it feels
• 35:27
  like when you do. Luckily, you know, thank, thank
• 35:30
  goodness I haven't been put in some positions like that.
• 35:32
  That's not to say that others haven't.
• 35:33
  In everybody's threshold's a little bit different.
• 35:37
  You know, my mindset on almost everything good, badder and
• 35:40
  different is that the bad guy always has a vote.
• 35:42
  Always, always have a vote in what happens to him.
• 35:45
  I have never, ever had anybody say I'm going to surrender and
• 35:49
  they get hurt. They come out.
• 35:51
  Never happened. You know, they're like, all
• 35:53
  right, I want to give up. OK, come on out, come out.
• 35:55
  Their hands up. Now, when I say hurt, I mean,
• 35:57
  like, actually physically, they make it, you know, smacked or
• 36:00
  taken down pretty hard because of whatever.
• 36:01
  Sorry if you're a homicide suspect.
• 36:02
  Yeah. You're not gonna get taken down
• 36:03
  gently. We know you're gonna.
• 36:05
  Yeah, you're gonna get taken down pretty hard.
• 36:07
  You're gonna get maybe some scrapes and some bruises.
• 36:08
  But I'm talking, we've never, you know, used force like a
• 36:12
  sunbag or beanbag or launcher or Arwen rounds or obviously deadly
• 36:17
  waterboarding. Never, Yeah, I mean never
• 36:18
  waterboarded anybody. You better digest.
• 36:21
  That would be a shame. I'm just gonna water board you.
• 36:23
  Guys into someone, they're like Mission, yeah.
• 36:25
  You are speeding, motherfucker. Yeah.
• 36:26
  They're like, we give up, OK, come on out.
• 36:28
  But if you vote the other way, like you're not going to give
• 36:30
  up, dude, I I'm sorry, I don't know what's about to happen and
• 36:33
  you have to. Protect yourself.
• 36:34
  Yeah, so you're like and the community.
• 36:37
  All I can tell you is that if you're not going to surrender,
• 36:39
  if you're going to stay where you are, something's happening
• 36:42
  to you. And what that is, I don't know,
• 36:44
  because we're always reactionary.
• 36:46
  Always like 99% of my job is, is is reaction to bad guy.
• 36:51
  I say bad guy. That's just a term, But not all,
• 36:53
  not all, not all, not everybody gets the rest of the bad guy.
• 36:55
  I probably shouldn't say that, but the, the, the perpetrator,
• 36:59
  whoever it is or whatever it be at that time, like if if you
• 37:04
  remain where you are, all I can tell you is that something is
• 37:07
  going to happen. It's probably going to suck.
• 37:09
  You're going to be uncomfortable.
• 37:10
  It could be gas, it could be a dog, it could be a a slew of
• 37:13
  things. You know, whatever it be.
• 37:15
  We shut your power off in the summer.
• 37:17
  It real hot inside. We're going.
• 37:18
  It's going to. Uncomfortable.
• 37:20
  Yeah, it's a tactic. When you like first started, did
• 37:26
  they have cell phones like where it was at?
• 37:28
  The recording People recording. No.
• 37:31
  No, that that became, it's funny you say that.
• 37:34
  It doesn't bother me anymore. It's it's never really bothered
• 37:37
  me. I think what happens is cops
• 37:39
  think you're like invading the privacy of the person or them.
• 37:43
  I think that's kind of where they get hung up on.
• 37:45
  But yeah, like I remember the first, the first time I ever saw
• 37:48
  that where I was at, there was a kind of a family fight and we
• 37:53
  got on scene and there's probably like 8-8 uncles and,
• 37:57
  and dads and sons and nephews all fighting.
• 38:01
  And so we got it broken up and it wasn't anything huge, but
• 38:04
  there was a person standing on this white fence with their
• 38:07
  phone. And I remember one of the
• 38:10
  officers was like, hey, they're recording.
• 38:11
  And another officer walked up and was like, smack it like
• 38:13
  smacks the cell phone off and, and it was like this big thing,
• 38:16
  but we didn't know how to react. We'd never seen that before.
• 38:18
  So we don't know how to react. And then obviously you Fast
• 38:21
  forward, you know, 15 years and everybody records us.
• 38:25
  It's like I've got a recording device on me now that's
• 38:29
  recording literally everything I do.
• 38:31
  But yeah, I wasn't. I think the big thing for me and
• 38:34
  a lot of things, a lot for officers is you can come record
• 38:37
  us all you want. You just just give us the space
• 38:40
  because I don't think people understand.
• 38:42
  Like, I get it. Like I'm not gonna do this.
• 38:44
  I'm yeah. There's been a couple times
• 38:46
  where the guys like, I'm cool, I'm cool.
• 38:47
  And the next thing you know what, we're on the ground
• 38:49
  fighting. Yeah, You know, And it's just
• 38:51
  one of those things that happens.
• 38:53
  So you're always got your guard up against these folk.
• 38:55
  And I'm sure their intentions are fine.
• 38:57
  They want to, you know, they got YouTube channels, they want
• 38:59
  content. Listen, COPS was on air for 30
• 39:03
  years for a reason. Because it's freaking cool,
• 39:05
  right? People like seeing that.
• 39:07
  People like seeing policemen. They do.
• 39:09
  They like it. And what more raw can you get
• 39:12
  than Listen? Cops is edited.
• 39:14
  They got editors. They're putting stuff on here.
• 39:16
  This is gonna be unedited YouTube material and people
• 39:20
  thrive on it. And I don't blame them.
• 39:22
  It gets really interesting sometimes and everybody's
• 39:25
  waiting for the cop to do the bad right, Right?
• 39:27
  Cuz bad cells, yeah. You know, do you guys get a lot
• 39:31
  of training from some of these videos will will like like say
• 39:34
  if. Yeah, they, yeah, I'm.
• 39:35
  Sure. Like like like the whole George
• 39:36
  Floyd Floyd thing did. Was that a big deal for you guys
• 39:39
  or not like a big deal but? There's a lot of stuff that came
• 39:42
  out of George Floyd thing that was kind of one of those just
• 39:44
  big capital cases where you're like, man, they could have just
• 39:48
  done a lot different stuff and nothing would have happened.
• 39:51
  I think they made it into a lot bigger deal than it probably
• 39:53
  needed to be. When you say they talk about
• 39:56
  like media and all that or yeah. Yeah, media.
• 39:58
  I would say media, it's one of like the worst.
• 40:01
  I'd I'd rather listen to like some guy on YouTube over the
• 40:04
  media. 100%. You know, fear sells.
• 40:08
  I saw in trouble sells. Everyone wants to see everybody
• 40:10
  in trouble. Yeah.
• 40:11
  Like when's the last time you saw they?
• 40:12
  And they want to spit the story or.
• 40:14
  They do the feel good story and it's like 10 seconds like, oh,
• 40:17
  look at what this officer did. I just watched a story where an
• 40:20
  officer we and I've done it. I've done it without
• 40:24
  recognition. I don't, I don't care.
• 40:25
  I don't want the recognition. But we had a guy specifically, I
• 40:27
  can remember he was a Taco Bell employee.
• 40:30
  It was like 1 in the morning and he's on his way.
• 40:32
  He stops at a crosswalk, some guy walks up, stabs him and
• 40:35
  steals his bike. And so we get him the medical
• 40:39
  and everything else. His bike got stolen.
• 40:41
  Well, we go, we do follow up at the house.
• 40:43
  Well, he doesn't. You would think he was going to
• 40:45
  the Taco Bell like right there. No, the talk about he worked at
• 40:48
  was like 6 miles, 7 miles down the road.
• 40:50
  He probably passed 4 Taco Bells on the way to his Taco Bell,
• 40:53
  right? And so the whole squad was like,
• 40:54
  dude, let's go get this guy a bike.
• 40:56
  So we went and bought him a brand new bike, a bike light, a
• 40:58
  helmet, you know, and all this stuff.
• 41:00
  We gave it to him and you don't hear stuff like that.
• 41:02
  And that happens every day. I'm talking about this every
• 41:03
  day. And I think I just saw a story
• 41:06
  where like the officer pulled in.
• 41:09
  God, where was it? It was in Cali.
• 41:11
  Oh, it was a car seat. It was a car seat.
• 41:13
  So this officer stops this guy, his daughter doesn't have a car
• 41:17
  seat and he's like, why isn't your daughter in a car seat?
• 41:19
  He's like, I can't afford it, man.
• 41:20
  In tough times, he's like, all right, follow me to Walmart.
• 41:23
  So they go to Walmart. He outfits him with his daughter
• 41:25
  with his car seat. They go buy it.
• 41:27
  And then it's funny because of the the citizen, he's like, he
• 41:30
  gets it strapped in. He's like, oh, this is great.
• 41:32
  He turns around and it's like the officer was he like vanished
• 41:35
  into thin air? You know, he's like, I wanted to
• 41:38
  say thank you. Well, that's the thing.
• 41:39
  That officer didn't want to be told thank you.
• 41:41
  He's just doing it because he wants to do it.
• 41:42
  You hear those stories all the time, but they're like this big.
• 41:45
  Yeah. And then when an officer does
• 41:46
  something bad, you hear about it all day long, 30 minute
• 41:50
  segments. Look what this officer did and
• 41:52
  whether they did something wrong.
• 41:54
  Listen, we all we all make mistakes, right?
• 41:56
  Hopefully it's not bad. It doesn't.
• 41:58
  You know, hopefully nobody loses our life over a bad mistake.
• 42:01
  Those are bad, right? We don't ever want that to
• 42:03
  happen. But they're going to make
• 42:05
  mistakes. Officers are going to make
• 42:06
  mistakes. They are people.
• 42:07
  You know, if you, again, if you've got an officer that's
• 42:10
  never been in a situation before and you're asking to make this
• 42:12
  crazy good decision, like, sorry, man, it's just not going
• 42:15
  to happen. But the, the support, you know,
• 42:19
  is good until it's not. So you get a lot of the
• 42:22
  political pressure. And as soon as they put politics
• 42:24
  and police, it just, it ruined the profession.
• 42:27
  It really did. Yeah.
• 42:29
  There's just really no place for politics in it.
• 42:30
  Yeah, I saw on the news, one of the news anchor guys or
• 42:36
  journalists, whatever, they put him through, and this was here
• 42:39
  in Phoenix. They put him through like a
• 42:41
  scenario. He had like a fake gun.
• 42:44
  Jared Maupin. You know what I'm talking about.
• 42:47
  Reverend Maupin, Yeah. Went out with county.
• 42:49
  Yeah, shot the guy because he was in my zone.
• 42:51
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was, you know, the guy
• 42:54
  wasn't armed or nothing. Funny story about that.
• 42:57
  So that guy, that guy does that whole thing, right?
• 42:59
  He's like, Oh yeah, I realized this, that and the other.
• 43:01
  And he's like, the next day, he's out there just marching.
• 43:05
  Oh, really? The next day, Oh, God, yeah,
• 43:08
  he's out there marching, taking his.
• 43:10
  And then as I understand, this is rumor.
• 43:12
  But as I understand, like they kind of drew a line at the
• 43:14
  freeway. This guy's marching with his,
• 43:16
  with his people and totally respect it, right?
• 43:19
  I don't respect shutting down roadways and getting in motor
• 43:22
  sway. I don't support that.
• 43:24
  I support you on the sidewalk doing whatever you want to do.
• 43:26
  Exactly. Don't block the roadway.
• 43:28
  It's crazy, right? But they're, they're doing their
• 43:32
  thing in their March and they actually, they actually will if
• 43:34
  you call, right. If you were like, hey, we want
• 43:36
  to March. They'll actually close down,
• 43:37
  make a route for you on a, on a really.
• 43:40
  Yeah. Like they're not going to do it
• 43:41
  on a Tuesday in downtown when, when the city of Phoenix is
• 43:44
  thriving on work day. Yeah.
• 43:46
  But you know, Friday after everybody's gone home, they'll,
• 43:49
  you know, they'll work with you. They'll, they'll absolutely work
• 43:51
  with you. Yeah, that's interesting.
• 43:52
  Free. What do you want to call it?
• 43:54
  Free Press areas and and certain spots where you can do your
• 43:58
  thing. So anyway, that's what I was
• 44:00
  saying was like, so they're marching and they're not working
• 44:04
  on the freeway. And the Police Department had
• 44:07
  been like, you're not getting on the freeway.
• 44:08
  That's our line. Our line in the Santa is the
• 44:10
  freeway. You're not coming up this
• 44:11
  freeway. You're not shutting down the
• 44:12
  I-10. So they're going there.
• 44:14
  They turn, they go on the freeway.
• 44:18
  God, my God, the forces clash, right?
• 44:20
  That guy's nowhere to be found. Like he marched his people in
• 44:23
  there and then left. Yeah.
• 44:23
  I don't know if that's 100% true with it.
• 44:25
  Like that's allegedly totally. Something might be like, yeah,
• 44:28
  that probably happened. Yeah.
• 44:29
  You know, I don't know if he did that or not, but that's what I
• 44:31
  heard. I mean, I wouldn't put it.
• 44:32
  I don't know the guy. Yeah, but for what He, yeah, I
• 44:35
  don't know. Whatever you know, and they set
• 44:37
  him up, good on him for going through it for one, right?
• 44:40
  I'm like, dude, good on you for for trying.
• 44:42
  And again, you put him in a situation where he doesn't know
• 44:45
  what to do, so you can't judge him either.
• 44:48
  So he's like, I shot this guy cuz XYZ and you're like, OK,
• 44:51
  that's why we have the training and things.
• 44:52
  But I understand that that's what happens.
• 44:54
  Like that's how fast it can happen.
• 44:56
  Yeah. And that's not even like it
• 44:57
  wasn't even real. No, it's all.
• 44:58
  Stage. It's all stage.
• 44:59
  Yeah, he's got two guys just shoving, fighting, and he's up
• 45:03
  there like, hey, Sir, Sir. Well, now what do you do when
• 45:05
  they don't break up? You know, all right, you're
• 45:07
  going to get in the middle of them or you're going to take the
• 45:08
  loser. You're going to take the winner.
• 45:10
  What are you going to do here? Start betting?
• 45:11
  And it's one of those things. He never been put in that
• 45:13
  position, right? So he's like, I don't know what
• 45:15
  to do. I'm like, yeah, that's how cops
• 45:16
  feel, right? Right.
• 45:17
  That's how you. Don't know until you've been
• 45:19
  through it, yeah. You show up, you know, even,
• 45:22
  excuse me, you're in year 3-4. You show up to something, you're
• 45:25
  like, I've never seen this before.
• 45:26
  I don't know what to do. You're just going to try to make
• 45:28
  the best decision you can at that moment and live with it.
• 45:30
  And unfortunately, sometimes it's a really bad decision and
• 45:33
  you're fired or worse, you go to jail and you lose everything,
• 45:37
  which is crazy that you got to gamble like that.
• 45:39
  Or two, you make a or 4 you you make a good decision and nobody
• 45:43
  talks about it. Yeah, there's.
• 45:45
  You hope that. That's right.
• 45:46
  And then, yeah. And you get that experience.
• 45:48
  And then hopefully, like something happens again and you
• 45:51
  show up and there's somebody new there.
• 45:53
  You're like, woah, check this out.
• 45:54
  I can solve this problem. And you know, one of the most
• 45:57
  powerful things in law enforcement is collective
• 45:59
  thinking, critical thinking, collective thinking.
• 46:02
  And it's so simple sometimes, yeah, and we do it, but it's so
• 46:06
  simple. You're, you're trying to solve
• 46:08
  this this labyrinth problem. And then somebody's like, what
• 46:12
  about that window? It's perspective, right?
• 46:14
  You're like, Oh yeah. You don't even see that window.
• 46:16
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, cuz people get so tunneled
• 46:19
  into into their idea, yeah. And that's the other thing is
• 46:21
  like, you're not like I think we mentioned it earlier, like human
• 46:24
  performance, right? Like you, you can't get outside
• 46:26
  human performance. We're not robots, right?
• 46:29
  So as much as many things as I've done been seen and been a
• 46:34
  part of, I still get tunnel vision, I still get auditor
• 46:36
  exclusion, you know, I still get adrenaline dumps, you know,
• 46:40
  hyper focused. And sometimes it takes that
• 46:43
  30,000 foot overview, like we call it to kind of reel you
• 46:45
  back. Like I see something I'm like,
• 46:47
  let's push it. And they're like, we can't
• 46:48
  because look over there. And I'm like, oh, wait, I didn't
• 46:49
  see that things. And it's just because you don't
• 46:51
  see it at the moment. So a lot of that factors into
• 46:54
  you're like, what did the officer actually know when they
• 46:55
  made their decision? So it's.
• 46:58
  Kind of so like not only do you guys like I mean how training
• 47:01
  and physical stuff, but yes, is that training in like that
• 47:05
  mental part of like thinking, you know what I'm saying?
• 47:08
  Yeah, I would say you do that every night.
• 47:12
  You should be doing that every night.
• 47:13
  So you're driving around and you go to a call, you deal with the
• 47:16
  call. And then after the call you
• 47:17
  should be going like, what if this happened?
• 47:18
  What if that happened? And you are, you're, you are
• 47:20
  actually building a neural pathway in your mind of a
• 47:24
  decision that could have been made, you know, it had this gone
• 47:27
  awry, had this gone crazy. So I feel like you're doing that
• 47:30
  all the time. And then you're also running
• 47:32
  scenarios like as you're going there.
• 47:33
  So one of the, I would say one of my best traits in this job, I
• 47:37
  think I do it pretty well, is just thinking ahead.
• 47:40
  And I found myself doing it yesterday, just talking out loud
• 47:42
  with some of these newer guys on our attack team.
• 47:44
  I was like, dude, try to get ahead of the curve.
• 47:48
  Try to already have a decision made before it's made.
• 47:51
  And they're kind of like, I know what you mean, but what do you
• 47:53
  mean? I'm like, well, think about it.
• 47:55
  If you do like a high risk traffic stop, right?
• 47:56
  So let's say you just got a criminal who just created a just
• 48:00
  did armed robbery. You already know he's armed.
• 48:04
  You go to stop him. What's going to happen?
• 48:07
  He's going to do a couple things, right?
• 48:08
  You got to plan on both. He can stop, he can run, right?
• 48:13
  He can pull over, get you to stop and then take off again.
• 48:15
  So you're trying to think of like all these things that can
• 48:17
  happen. And then I started rattling, I
• 48:18
  started to rattle off like 15 things.
• 48:20
  I'm like, so let's just say it's two people.
• 48:22
  They did an armed robbery. You stop them and they stop.
• 48:26
  They're gonna, they can get out and you get into shooting,
• 48:28
  right? The passenger can stay in, the
• 48:30
  driver can get out and run. The driver can stay, the
• 48:33
  passenger can run. The passenger can run.
• 48:35
  The driver can get out and start shooting.
• 48:37
  Both of them can get out and start shooting.
• 48:39
  Both of them can get out and run.
• 48:41
  The passenger could get out and the driver could take off.
• 48:44
  Vice versa. They could stop, pretend they're
• 48:48
  giving up and then take off again.
• 48:50
  I think I just mentioned that one.
• 48:51
  But what if they switch seats and then they take off?
• 48:54
  Like those are all that's information.
• 48:55
  You got to take off. But all these things, right?
• 48:57
  And you gotta be thinking all ahead of that.
• 48:58
  And that's just one thing. It's just like 1/1 scenario 1
• 49:02
  little instance in law enforcement like.
• 49:04
  That's just going up to the car. Yeah, that's not even.
• 49:06
  Hosted by the end of the day. And so like I was, I told them
• 49:10
  we were doing, we were doing hostage rescue training the
• 49:12
  other day. And I'm like, hey, so before we
• 49:14
  do this, what information do we have?
• 49:16
  How many hostages do we have? How many hostages do we have?
• 49:20
  How big is the structure? Do we know where they are?
• 49:24
  You know, do we have robots with eyes on them?
• 49:25
  Can we, do we know what they're wearing?
• 49:27
  So these are all these things that they're like, Oh, yeah,
• 49:29
  yeah. Cuz it changes.
• 49:31
  The tactics on a known hostage location is completely different
• 49:35
  than an unknown hostage location.
• 49:36
  And then I'm like, OK, they're like, OK, we're ready.
• 49:38
  I'm like, OK, so we're going, yeah, we're going.
• 49:41
  All right. So we know where the hostage is.
• 49:42
  We know where the hostage taker is.
• 49:43
  Yeah, we know there's two of them.
• 49:44
  Yeah. OK, you open this door and
• 49:45
  there's a person standing there. Now what?
• 49:47
  Because I just threw off your whole loot loop, your whole
• 49:48
  decision making process is now changing because you're you're
• 49:51
  like, I'm going right to this room, you step in and now
• 49:54
  there's somebody in the kitchen. Now what you got to think about
• 49:56
  that so that your decision's already made.
• 49:58
  You're like, all right, if somebody's in the kitchen, then
• 50:00
  I'm going to address them and I'll let the rest of the team go
• 50:01
  by. So when it happens, you're not
• 50:03
  like, what do I do? You've already made the
• 50:04
  decision, right? So I always try to harp on that
• 50:08
  with with young cops and cops coming up.
• 50:10
  I'm like, try to make those, try to think of as many
• 50:13
  possibilities as what can happen.
• 50:15
  And then that way if it happens, you're like, I kind of already
• 50:18
  made that decision. You're kind of already ahead of
• 50:19
  the power curve. I think that that's one of those
• 50:22
  powerful tools in law enforcement.
• 50:23
  I think I do it really, really well.
• 50:26
  I think it it comes from the canine side as well.
• 50:28
  I get to do a lot of training with canine.
• 50:29
  We train every week. And then obviously on the SWAT
• 50:32
  side, it helped big time too. But when I go to these calls, I
• 50:34
  go to these critical calls. That's what you're that's what
• 50:37
  I'm thinking about. I'm like, OK, what's this guy
• 50:38
  going to do? He's got here's all these
• 50:40
  options and then he'll do the one option I didn't think of and
• 50:42
  I'm like, I don't have an answer for that right this second.
• 50:44
  What do? You do you just tell him, hey,
• 50:46
  hold on, hold on. Yeah, let me hold on.
• 50:47
  Let me think about. This.
• 50:48
  I'm like the quarterback, dude. Yeah, it's not on the playbook.
• 50:52
  I need a new heart man coach. Gonna get one of the signs, all
• 50:55
  of us. I don't know what to do.
• 50:56
  I don't know what coverage this is.
• 50:57
  Yeah. But I think what you said like
• 51:00
  goes back to what I was telling Tyler the other day is like you
• 51:03
  guys using your mind before your physical is it is like key to
• 51:07
  this. Huge mental game.
• 51:08
  Because like when when he first started going through this, he's
• 51:10
  like, Oh my God, everything. And this has got to be like, I
• 51:13
  have to be the aggressor and I have to be physical.
• 51:15
  I said you, dude, you got to think like you got to use your
• 51:17
  mind before you use. Your body 100%.
• 51:19
  And to hear you say that and somebody that's been doing it
• 51:21
  for damn near 20 years just reinforces like, I, I, I mean, I
• 51:25
  have the utmost respect for what you guys do, right?
• 51:27
  Like I, I personally, I, I've never done it.
• 51:31
  I don't know that I could do it, but the control that you guys
• 51:35
  show, but also the fact that you guys openly are talking about
• 51:39
  thinking through the process, right, is understanding what am
• 51:42
  I walking into, what are the potential situations I'm going
• 51:45
  to put myself in, and how am I going to work through this?
• 51:48
  Yeah, I think is key to 1. The fact that you're doing this
• 51:52
  for almost 20 years and you're sitting here talking to us about
• 51:54
  this. Sure.
• 51:55
  Yeah, 100%. You know what I mean?
• 51:56
  And then, and then I throw in the monkey wrench right now you
• 52:00
  get a call. I'll give you a call.
• 52:01
  The other night I took, but now I take time away from you.
• 52:05
  Now you don't have that time. What are you?
• 52:07
  What are you resorting in or what do you resort to?
• 52:09
  It's training experience. It's all you got.
• 52:11
  So you're hoping that this problem you've seen before so
• 52:14
  you can hopefully solve it the way you solved it last time.
• 52:17
  But yeah, we're just, we're sitting at a church after some
• 52:20
  training. This just happened like 2 weeks
• 52:22
  ago, sitting at a church training.
• 52:24
  And you know, it's it's July, so there's always fireworks, right?
• 52:29
  So we're sitting there and it's probably right around midnight.
• 52:32
  And it's like, you hear these three shots.
• 52:35
  I'm like, I look at my butt and I'm like, those aren't, those
• 52:41
  aren't, those aren't fireworks. He's like, and then next thing
• 52:43
  you know, PA, PA, PA, there's return fire from another, from
• 52:45
  another gun. And then you hear the, the first
• 52:48
  gun go off the bat. So there's like 3 rounds fired
• 52:51
  and then there's like 8 or 9 return fire.
• 52:53
  And then there's like four or five more return fire from that.
• 52:56
  And I'm like, Yep, there's a rolling gunfight right here.
• 53:00
  Like coming our way is what sound like.
• 53:02
  So I'm sitting on the. Road, When you say rolling,
• 53:03
  you're talking about like I think it's.
• 53:04
  Like a road rage? Yeah, it sounds like a road
• 53:06
  rage. That's what it sounded like to
• 53:07
  me. So cuz it sounded like it was
• 53:09
  farther away in closing. Games closer.
• 53:11
  And it was definitely two different volleys of two
• 53:14
  different firearms. They were definitely two
• 53:15
  different cars. So I put it out on the radio.
• 53:17
  I'm like, hey, this is what's happening.
• 53:18
  Sensing units, we're coming into that.
• 53:20
  So I'm getting ready to turn the corner, and then that's it, man.
• 53:24
  Like what? What's in front of you is what's
• 53:25
  in front of you? What am I gonna do?
• 53:26
  I didn't have time. I didn't have time to think
• 53:28
  about anything other than there's two cars.
• 53:31
  Like, that's what I think. I'm gonna come around the
• 53:33
  corner, coming out of a parking lot onto the main roadway, and
• 53:35
  I'm gonna see two cars, like bashing each other or it's gonna
• 53:37
  be wiped out. And the other one, you know,
• 53:38
  there's gonna be people shooting at each other.
• 53:40
  It's like Mario Kart. Yeah.
• 53:41
  And it, yeah, it's gonna be, they're trying to pop each
• 53:43
  other's balloons, you know, And I'm like, turtles are flying.
• 53:46
  Yeah, banana peels. You know, they don't expect us
• 53:50
  to be there, like, yeah, coming around the corner.
• 53:52
  So now I come around the corner, I'm holding a rifle, You're
• 53:54
  holding a gun. And I'm like, hey, drop it.
• 53:56
  Well, guess what? That person doesn't hear,
• 53:58
  probably doesn't hear me. Yeah, you know, 'cause he's
• 54:00
  pissed off. They have auditory exclusion.
• 54:02
  They have all these things. But if you're holding a gun and
• 54:05
  you're pointing at somebody, unfortunately, you're going to
• 54:08
  probably get shot. What if that guy was defending
• 54:10
  himself? Oh yeah, shot the wrong person,
• 54:13
  Yeah. You got to live with that, you
• 54:16
  know what I'm saying? Those are those are the tough
• 54:17
  ones. Yeah.
• 54:18
  But nobody trains you for that. So and that that happened to me
• 54:22
  at at a there was a bar. Well, hold on, what?
• 54:26
  What's what happened to that situation?
• 54:30
  So we rolled down the corner, you could hear the cars.
• 54:32
  A couple callers called in. We ended up finding the shell
• 54:35
  cases and things like that, but nobody called in.
• 54:36
  No, nobody went to the any calls from the hospital.
• 54:38
  It was just kind of one of those.
• 54:40
  We have the casings. Oh, gotcha.
• 54:43
  So somebody didn't come around with you right there?
• 54:46
  What do you mean? Or was that just an example?
• 54:49
  No, I went around. That was a real, that's a real
• 54:51
  call. I went around the corner to find
• 54:52
  them in Never. They weren't on the roadway.
• 54:55
  Oh, not that that's why I thought it was gonna be yeah,
• 54:58
  coming around the corner is nothing.
• 54:59
  There was nothing. So I'm all hyped up on Mountain
• 55:01
  Dew and there's really nothing There's there's no work to be
• 55:03
  done. And then so I, I get up to the
• 55:05
  next street and I'm like looking around like where's where's this
• 55:07
  gunfight going on? You know?
• 55:09
  Yeah. And then a couple people called
• 55:10
  in and said that they, they thought they split and one car
• 55:12
  went S 1 car went N So we're thinking there's gonna be shot
• 55:15
  up cars. So we search the area for shot
• 55:17
  up cars. We're looking for casings.
• 55:18
  We call the hospital like, hey, if you get anybody coming in
• 55:20
  with a. Gunshot wounds.
• 55:22
  Or, you know, there's a gunshot wound and they're like, Oh yeah,
• 55:24
  I just accidentally did this give us a call.
• 55:26
  Like we just probably had some a shooting here.
• 55:29
  But that's all that came out of that.
• 55:30
  But you know, back to what I was saying.
• 55:32
  So we get a, we get a call at a bar, local bar and there's a
• 55:35
  shoot. There's a guy upset.
• 55:36
  This is how fast it happens. There's a guy upset in the bar
• 55:39
  yelling at the manager. I'm like, OK, I'll go to that.
• 55:43
  So I start going to that because so I'm the canine unit.
• 55:46
  So all I do is go to priority calls.
• 55:47
  So I don't go to anything. Anything that's in progress is
• 55:50
  what I'm going to like. I don't show up to take the, the
• 55:54
  walk out at Denny's that happened three hours ago.
• 55:56
  You know, I don't, I don't take like a stolen car that happened
• 55:58
  yesterday. I don't, I will take those if I
• 56:00
  need to, But for the most part, I'm just going to active calls.
• 56:03
  So I hear this call come out and I'm like, I'm kind of bored.
• 56:06
  I guess I'll go to that. So I start, I literally pull out
• 56:09
  of the parking lot that I'm, I'm chilling in and I start going
• 56:11
  that way. And about 10 seconds later the
• 56:13
  hot tone comes out. I'm like, oh geez, is that the
• 56:16
  same call or is that a new call? So if I'm going to this call,
• 56:18
  that could be another call just so they upgrade it.
• 56:20
  What's that? What's that hot tone?
• 56:22
  It's like an emergency tone. Usually they come out on active
• 56:26
  stuff like robberies and shootings got you jabbings and
• 56:29
  you know, things like that. So the hot tone comes out, you
• 56:31
  know, get this long and then you're like, oh, what's that?
• 56:34
  Hey, oh, so the hot tone comes out and then they upgrade it.
• 56:38
  They're like, hey, this guy's going out to his car, so he's
• 56:41
  going to grab a gun, things like that.
• 56:42
  So I'm like, oh, crap. So I look at the screen, we have
• 56:44
  a map where you can see where everybody's at.
• 56:46
  I'm I'm the only one. Like there's nobody even close.
• 56:49
  So I'm like, all right, let me drive like a little bit slower
• 56:54
  and I'll try to let a couple of my guys catch up so I don't have
• 56:56
  to go there alone, right? So I'm driving, I'm like coming
• 57:01
  off the freeway. It's like a mile off the
• 57:03
  freeway. So I'm pretty close.
• 57:05
  And I'm looking at the map and I see some guys moving.
• 57:07
  I'm like, OK, these guys are coming.
• 57:09
  Cool. And I'm trying to kind of get
• 57:11
  there at the same time. Yeah.
• 57:13
  And the next thing you know, they're like, hey, he's actually
• 57:16
  shooting. I'm like, fuck that.
• 57:17
  Like it's me now it's me. I'm showing up.
• 57:20
  This is go time. Like it is what it is.
• 57:22
  And I'm just going to train. I'm going to trust my ability
• 57:26
  with a with a rifle and my tactics versus some Joe Citizen.
• 57:29
  And, you know, if he gets a lucky bullet, he gets a lucky
• 57:31
  bullet. But it is what it is.
• 57:32
  So I go rolling in there and I'm like, get out of my car.
• 57:35
  And they're like, right as I'm getting on scene, they're like,
• 57:38
  hey, they're reporting that the guy left.
• 57:41
  You know, he's wearing this hat. Here's what he's wearing.
• 57:43
  This is what he's driving. And he left.
• 57:45
  We got one patron shot inside the bar.
• 57:48
  And I'm like, OK, well, now I kind of switch modes, right?
• 57:52
  Because this is usually good info.
• 57:53
  It's not usually bad. Like nobody's no citizens
• 57:56
  usually calling and giving us bad info.
• 57:57
  It's just not really a thing that happens.
• 57:59
  It happens every once in a while.
• 58:00
  But so I'm like, all right, so I shift, I'm like, OK, I'm going
• 58:04
  to medical mode. So I get out of my car.
• 58:06
  They're grabbing a medical bag and now I can kind of hear the
• 58:09
  sirens coming. So I'm like, all right, here.
• 58:11
  The the boys are coming. You hear my friends, they're on
• 58:14
  their way. So I get out and I start walking
• 58:17
  up there with my medical bag. And you know, I'll admit, I let
• 58:19
  my guard down a little bit because I'm thinking I'm, I'm
• 58:21
  going to go in there and and tourniquet a leg or patch a leg
• 58:24
  or do something like that. And I roll up and I see two guys
• 58:27
  with guns like pointing at a car.
• 58:29
  I'm like, oh, shit. So drop the bag, draw down.
• 58:32
  And they're lucky it was me. I'll be honest with you because
• 58:36
  I'm like, hey, dude, like he's kind of in one of those stances
• 58:40
  where he's like, I'm like, what is this guy doing?
• 58:41
  Because he's not like shooting currently.
• 58:44
  But and he's just kind of standing in like this weird
• 58:46
  stance and it's him on, on there's a car.
• 58:50
  So he's kind of on the I'm I'm kind of approaching from the
• 58:52
  rear driver area. He's standing on the on like the
• 58:55
  rear passenger side. And then there's another guy
• 58:58
  standing on like the passenger side up by like the front corner
• 59:01
  panel by the windshield. And they both have guns.
• 59:03
  So I draw. I'm like, hey, man, back up.
• 59:06
  And he's like, OK, He starts backing up.
• 59:07
  I'm like, I got immediate compliance, right?
• 59:10
  I'm like, drop, put the gun down, drop it.
• 59:12
  He's I'm like, I'm here now. Well, what if he doesn't?
• 59:14
  Right. Yeah.
• 59:15
  I don't know what's going on. Yeah.
• 59:17
  Long story short, the guy that was shooting into the bar was
• 59:20
  shot by those guys, right? Yeah.
• 59:23
  So it's Arizona. It's a right to carry stage.
• 59:26
  They did what they were supposed to do as citizens and they shot
• 59:29
  this guy who was, in my opinion, an active shooter at that time.
• 59:31
  He'd shot somebody in the bar already.
• 59:33
  He was indiscriminately shooting through the front door of the
• 59:35
  bar. And these two guys happen to be
• 59:36
  there and probably saved a bunch of lives.
• 59:39
  And that story can go a lot different, you know?
• 59:43
  And luckily they backed up, they listened, they put their guns
• 59:45
  down. We end up pulling the guy out.
• 59:48
  We render medical aid to that guy.
• 59:49
  He unfortunately passes away and they now they have another scene
• 59:54
  inside. They gotta go inside and render
• 59:55
  aid in there. We gotta render aid out here
• 59:56
  now. We gotta separate these guys.
• 59:57
  There's a bunch of work to be done now, but that could end
• 1:00:00
  different, you know, You know. This situation very well.
• 1:00:02
  You get yeah, yeah, you probably know that situation.
• 1:00:06
  You know this situation very well.
• 1:00:07
  Oh, yeah, Yeah. You probably know.
• 1:00:09
  Yeah. It's a situation that I think a
• 1:00:11
  lot of people actually, I, I, I got texts from quite a few
• 1:00:13
  people about that. Yeah.
• 1:00:14
  So I was actually first on scene for that, yeah.
• 1:00:16
  Yeah. I mean, we could probably talk
• 1:00:17
  about that after yeah, but the luckily I didn't the guys that.
• 1:00:22
  Just pipe that guy, dude, like, like if things happen, but if I
• 1:00:27
  show up and that guy's actively shooting, what's the information
• 1:00:29
  I got or, or say dispatch say dispatch doesn't say the guy
• 1:00:32
  left. Yeah.
• 1:00:34
  And I show up and I see a guy actively shooting.
• 1:00:36
  What am I going to think? And, and I don't think people
• 1:00:38
  realize that we don't get all the information that began.
• 1:00:41
  Well, like the whole Trump thing, the whole communication,
• 1:00:44
  right? Yeah, it has to.
• 1:00:45
  Somebody has to call in to go to dispatch, to go to you, I mean.
• 1:00:50
  And think about all the things that I just said that factored
• 1:00:52
  into that. I slowed down a little bit.
• 1:00:54
  I wasn't driving with my hair on fire.
• 1:00:56
  So let's say I do drive really, really fast.
• 1:00:58
  I get there too fast. And they're.
• 1:01:00
  Actively shooting and if you've ever seen there's a video,
• 1:01:02
  there's like if you're one step too, it's I think it's like an
• 1:01:05
  Al Pacino quote from any given Sunday.
• 1:01:10
  He's like, if you, if you step too fast, you're, you know,
• 1:01:13
  you're screwed. If you're too slow, one second
• 1:01:15
  too slow, you know, life's a game of inches and things like
• 1:01:18
  that. But there's like a big montage
• 1:01:20
  of that, that he that he says on in the locker room at the
• 1:01:22
  halftime when they're down. And I'm thinking that, you know,
• 1:01:25
  if I get there, you know, 2 minutes, 30 seconds earlier,
• 1:01:29
  dispatch never puts out that that guy left.
• 1:01:30
  And I show up and those guys are doing what they were supposed to
• 1:01:33
  lawfully supposed to do, and they're shooting that guy.
• 1:01:35
  And I get out from 30 yards away with a rifle, dot that guy in
• 1:01:39
  the face. Yeah, put him down.
• 1:01:41
  And I'm like, hey, shooters down.
• 1:01:42
  I get up there and I'm like, wait a minute, there's another
• 1:01:44
  guy down over here. What happened to this guy?
• 1:01:45
  Yeah, they're like, well, that's the guy that was shooting into
• 1:01:47
  the bar. And I'm like, what about this
• 1:01:50
  guy? So that guy was defending the
• 1:01:52
  bar. That's the shit that stuff to
• 1:01:54
  do. It's like you guys are playing.
• 1:01:55
  That's the one that would probably put me like put me into
• 1:01:57
  like that spiral of like, Oh my God, dude.
• 1:02:00
  Like I just ended that guys life.
• 1:02:03
  I took him from his family. His he was.
• 1:02:04
  Doing the right thing. And he was doing the right
• 1:02:06
  thing, dude. And I just didn't have the info,
• 1:02:08
  like, not to say that I did the wrong thing.
• 1:02:10
  Yeah, right. But now.
• 1:02:11
  You You did what you thought you needed.
• 1:02:13
  To do with the information. Now you get to live with that.
• 1:02:15
  Yeah, that's the stuff that's heavy in the law enforcement
• 1:02:18
  community that people don't understand.
• 1:02:20
  Like you think you're doing the right thing, and then you find
• 1:02:22
  out you made a not a bad decision, but you made a
• 1:02:26
  decision based on the information that you had.
• 1:02:28
  And then you're judged on, you shot an innocent person and
• 1:02:31
  you're like, yeah, that's not what I did, man.
• 1:02:33
  That's not what I did. But they don't want to hear
• 1:02:35
  that. It's like you're playing a
• 1:02:36
  really fast, dangerous game of Clue, yeah.
• 1:02:40
  It is, dude. Nobody's ever said that.
• 1:02:42
  But you're right, it is. It's it's perspective too, man.
• 1:02:45
  Like once you hear it, it it's also different, right, Because
• 1:02:48
  I've known Shane for a long time and Shane and I never really
• 1:02:51
  talked about we talk about football and sports and we we
• 1:02:55
  talk shit to each other on a on a, which I take great right in
• 1:02:58
  doing. But we talk, we talk shit into
• 1:03:00
  like a Facebook group and I'm always putting dudes on blast,
• 1:03:03
  you know? And so that's how he knows me,
• 1:03:05
  right? But he doesn't know the the guy.
• 1:03:07
  Yeah, he doesn't. Know this side of me and, you
• 1:03:10
  know, I think when it comes from somebody, you know, you're like,
• 1:03:13
  oh, man, like Jesus. And we make those decisions
• 1:03:17
  weekly. Daily.
• 1:03:18
  Yeah. I have a whole different it will
• 1:03:20
  it'll change. Your mind it is.
• 1:03:21
  Yeah. It'll change your mind real
• 1:03:22
  quick. Well, I remember the whole
• 1:03:25
  George Floyd thing going on and sure, you did a really good job
• 1:03:30
  in articulating your side of a lot of things because you know,
• 1:03:36
  like on Facebook, people, you know, it's armchair quarterback
• 1:03:40
  and you know what? I.
• 1:03:40
  Mean I would have done this. Yeah, but would you have?
• 1:03:42
  Yeah, I mean, I mean, like one of the things that I learned
• 1:03:46
  just from reading you and these debates and everything is and
• 1:03:50
  that I never put into the into perspective is you get 1 bad
• 1:03:54
  contact with the police officer. But there's like 5000 other that
• 1:03:58
  day, you know, that nobody hears about, right, You know what I'm
• 1:04:02
  saying? Because that I mean, just that
• 1:04:04
  whole narrative of like, you know, black people are going to
• 1:04:08
  get, you know, if you if you get pulled over, you're probably 90%
• 1:04:12
  chance of getting shot if you're black.
• 1:04:13
  Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But that's not.
• 1:04:15
  And I would go, it's funny you say that I go the other way.
• 1:04:18
  I go completely the other way. I am so sensitive to that
• 1:04:21
  community because I don't want to be involved in that.
• 1:04:25
  Like when I, when I stop people, I, I work in a predominantly
• 1:04:28
  Hispanic area and when I stop them, they're not.
• 1:04:32
  You do get the racial thing every once in a while.
• 1:04:34
  It's it's not that big of a deal here.
• 1:04:36
  I could assume it's it's like that other places.
• 1:04:38
  Every once in a while you get the whole law.
• 1:04:39
  You're racist, you're racist. I'm like, I couldn't be further
• 1:04:41
  from racist as as could be, but like, dude, I'm hyper focused on
• 1:04:47
  not being racist, like on giving you that fair handshake, like
• 1:04:50
  treating everybody the same because no, no officer goes
• 1:04:53
  wakes up in the in the middle, you know, in the morning to go
• 1:04:56
  their shifts and be like, all right.
• 1:04:59
  Yeah, let's do some racist shit today.
• 1:05:01
  I'm. Going to pick on this group
• 1:05:02
  today. It's it's, it's actually I
• 1:05:04
  think, where's my? Hood at where?
• 1:05:05
  We are, I think it's the opposite.
• 1:05:06
  We're we're more sensitive to trying to treat them fairly and,
• 1:05:11
  and equal. And I, I get it, man, from
• 1:05:13
  theirs. I always try to put myself in
• 1:05:15
  their shoes too, you know, and, and, and really be like, yeah, I
• 1:05:19
  know that's how you feel, man. Is there anything I can do to
• 1:05:21
  make you not feel that way? That's one of the bigger lines
• 1:05:23
  that I do use. Like, is there anything I'm not
• 1:05:26
  stepping out of this car? Is there anything I can do to
• 1:05:29
  make to like make you step out of the car?
• 1:05:31
  Is there anything I can do? Like, can I back up?
• 1:05:33
  Can I not do this? Can I not do that within reason?
• 1:05:36
  Like I'm not going to go sit back in my car when you get out
• 1:05:38
  of your car. But I always ask for like, what
• 1:05:40
  can I do to gain your voluntary compliance?
• 1:05:42
  Because if not, then guess what I have to do.
• 1:05:43
  And I'll try to, I try to explain it to him.
• 1:05:45
  But again, you're talking about time.
• 1:05:47
  Like I got time. If I have time, good time, I can
• 1:05:50
  make those comments. I can make the situation better
• 1:05:53
  if you're in bad time, which means things are happening right
• 1:05:56
  now. I got to make a decision.
• 1:05:58
  Those things can't. They're not going to come to
• 1:06:00
  light. And I, I again, I've talked my
• 1:06:02
  way out of more way more fights than I've been in by doing those
• 1:06:05
  things. It's funny because I just had a
• 1:06:06
  scenario that I ran last week. This, this, this isn't a real
• 1:06:09
  call. It's just a scenario that I'm in
• 1:06:11
  and I'm in a, in a canine search.
• 1:06:13
  My canine alert's on a door. We start to deal with that.
• 1:06:16
  And then the third shooter on the grassy Knoll pops up.
• 1:06:18
  I mean, he's on, he's on top. He's up on this like loft.
• 1:06:22
  And so now I've got these these split problems and I'm like, all
• 1:06:24
  right, well, let's just let's take the dog out of the equation
• 1:06:27
  right now. We've got we've got two guys.
• 1:06:29
  We don't need to do anything right this second.
• 1:06:30
  Let's back out, give ourselves a little bit of time, a little bit
• 1:06:32
  of space, call the dog back, grab the dog.
• 1:06:35
  So now I'm dealing with this guy and I'm like, OK, we'll deal
• 1:06:38
  with the guy that's in the backroom in a minute.
• 1:06:40
  This guy's out in the open. Let's deal with him right now.
• 1:06:43
  Well, when I do that, guess what happens.
• 1:06:44
  Yeah. And the room comes out and runs.
• 1:06:46
  So I'm like, OK, send my dog to grab that guy.
• 1:06:49
  Now we push past this dude to deal with that guy because he's
• 1:06:52
  actively being bit by the dog. So we got to deal with that guy.
• 1:06:55
  We get that guy secured and done.
• 1:06:57
  Now we're dealing with this guy, right?
• 1:06:58
  And he's like, I'm not coming down.
• 1:06:59
  I'm like, dude, why not? He's like, well, I'm scared of
• 1:07:02
  your dog. I'm like, cool, if I leave the
• 1:07:03
  building with my dog, will you come down for the officers?
• 1:07:06
  Well, no. Well then you're not really
• 1:07:08
  scared of my dog. Yeah.
• 1:07:09
  So I just told you I'll leave if that's if that's what it takes.
• 1:07:12
  That's what it gets to. Yeah.
• 1:07:13
  I don't need to. I don't need to be in here with
• 1:07:14
  my dog. If you're willing to surrender.
• 1:07:16
  Well, I only, I'm only going to surrender to one of you.
• 1:07:19
  Well, that's not going to happen.
• 1:07:20
  Yeah, it's outside the realm. But if you're like, yeah, if you
• 1:07:23
  leave, I don't like that guy right there with a rifle.
• 1:07:26
  I don't like that guy's aggressive.
• 1:07:28
  You know, he's got a rifle. That's that's a bad dude.
• 1:07:30
  I'm not coming down until that guy's gone.
• 1:07:31
  Cool. Hey, man, you step out.
• 1:07:33
  Sure, he steps out. You got to put your pride and
• 1:07:35
  ego away sometimes. Yeah, but the caveat is, and
• 1:07:38
  I'll tell these guys, I'll say, OK, he's going to leave the
• 1:07:40
  building. But if you don't surrender, he's
• 1:07:42
  coming back in because I'm going to call you on your on your BS.
• 1:07:44
  You know, so if if you're scared of that one person or this
• 1:07:48
  happens a lot actually, and you kind of just mentioned it is
• 1:07:52
  this this person had a bad interaction with maybe that
• 1:07:55
  officer, because we deal with the same people a lot.
• 1:07:57
  Yeah. And you'll hear the term like we
• 1:07:59
  deal with 10% of the people 90% of the time.
• 1:08:02
  And then the 90% of the people 10% of the time, your frequent
• 1:08:04
  Flyers, that's probably a real thing, right?
• 1:08:07
  So they're like, I don't, I don't like officer, you know,
• 1:08:09
  Shane, I don't like him. Last time I dealt with him, he
• 1:08:11
  was mean to me and he did this and he did that.
• 1:08:13
  And I'm like, cool. Well, if it's you and I and this
• 1:08:15
  guy's going to surrender, I'm like, well, if Shane leaves,
• 1:08:18
  will you come down and surrender?
• 1:08:19
  Sure, Shane, can you step out? And he steps out and it goes,
• 1:08:21
  good. But if I go, hey, Shane, can you
• 1:08:25
  step out so he can take this guy?
• 1:08:26
  And he steps out and he's like, well, you know, I didn't do
• 1:08:28
  anything wrong. I don't know why yours are here.
• 1:08:31
  Like, explain to me what's going on.
• 1:08:33
  And I'm like, dude, Officer Shane's coming back.
• 1:08:36
  I'm gonna, I'm gonna use, we have three.
• 1:08:37
  We're gonna use three. I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna come
• 1:08:39
  in there too and I'm gonna have my boxing clubs, yeah.
• 1:08:42
  Ready to go? Yeah.
• 1:08:43
  Remember Me from last time? That's right.
• 1:08:45
  Let me tell you something, brother.
• 1:08:46
  Yeah. This is Round 2.
• 1:08:48
  Wait. Hulk Hogan died, so yeah, I
• 1:08:50
  know. Isn't that so bombed?
• 1:08:52
  So bombed. Man.
• 1:08:54
  It's crazy, you know? You know, it wasn't in good
• 1:08:56
  health, but I feel like those things that sometimes so sudden
• 1:08:59
  and you're just, like, not prepared for it.
• 1:09:00
  Yeah. Because it's such a big part of
• 1:09:01
  your childhood. You don't know.
• 1:09:02
  Him when I was like 6. Really.
• 1:09:05
  Damn, I had AI, had a Hulk Hogan wrestling buddy.
• 1:09:08
  You know, those like, Oh yeah, yeah, I had one of those.
• 1:09:11
  Yeah, I was there when he fought Andre the Giant.
• 1:09:14
  No way. Yeah.
• 1:09:14
  Wow. Yeah.
• 1:09:16
  It was cool, you know, I was young.
• 1:09:17
  Dude, you are old. Was that like the Coliseum?
• 1:09:20
  It was actually at the Madhouse on McDowell, yeah.
• 1:09:22
  Madhouse at McDowell the Coliseum.
• 1:09:23
  Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I'm old Muddle.
• 1:09:26
  You're old, man. It's all right.
• 1:09:29
  It's all right. I can say I met him.
• 1:09:31
  You can I, I. Had my yellow Hulkster shirt.
• 1:09:35
  Yeah, I think the. Only tore up, I think the only
• 1:09:36
  wrestler I met I met. Was it Kevin Nash?
• 1:09:40
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:09:41
  Big Diesel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, him.
• 1:09:43
  And then there's another guy at that, whatever that was.
• 1:09:48
  I just don't remember the convention or something like
• 1:09:50
  that. I don't remember who it was,
• 1:09:51
  though. But that was the big name that
• 1:09:52
  I've met as a wrestling guy. And then I stopped.
• 1:09:54
  I probably stopped wrestling. I don't know.
• 1:09:57
  I was probably like kind of like freshman, sophomore year of high
• 1:10:00
  school. It's kind of when I stopped
• 1:10:01
  watching. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:03
  Just don't. I used.
• 1:10:03
  To be big in the UFC, I've been to the bunch of those.
• 1:10:06
  I've met a bunch of those guys. UFC, yeah.
• 1:10:08
  I'm still big UFC guy, so I used to train with a lot of them
• 1:10:11
  prior to. So back when, like, Rich
• 1:10:13
  Franklin was champ and Rondrelowski was a big guy, Joe,
• 1:10:16
  Daddy Stevenson was up there. Yeah, you.
• 1:10:20
  Yeah, that's right. You did Taekwondo right?
• 1:10:22
  Not Taekwondo, but yeah, I fought martial arts and then I
• 1:10:25
  fought for two years competitively.
• 1:10:27
  And yeah, so I did some just like straight kickboxing
• 1:10:30
  matches, which were a little more up my alley.
• 1:10:32
  And then I did some full on MMA stuff.
• 1:10:34
  Luckily I never came up against like a true grappler probably
• 1:10:37
  would wrapped me up like a pretzel.
• 1:10:39
  But coaches, coaches were really good about matchups.
• 1:10:42
  So they would call the other gym and be like, hey, I got this guy
• 1:10:45
  explain what kind of like the level they're at.
• 1:10:46
  And they would be like, oh, I got I got a guy that'll match up
• 1:10:48
  with him. And then we would go and you
• 1:10:49
  kind of had like this like you get in the in in the ring with
• 1:10:52
  them or the cage or whatever venue it was.
• 1:10:55
  And you were kind of like, all right, you ready?
• 1:10:56
  Yeah, You're not, you're not going to do like you're not
• 1:10:58
  going to like wrestle, are you? I don't want to wrestle.
• 1:11:01
  It's tiring. Yeah.
• 1:11:02
  But so you kind of knew like you were going to be up against kind
• 1:11:05
  of that same style of opponent. It wasn't like it is in in the
• 1:11:09
  UFC where good luck, man. I mean, you might be fighting a
• 1:11:12
  a really good wrestler, really good jiu jitsu guy, really good
• 1:11:15
  striker, really good boxer. Who knows what you're going to
• 1:11:17
  get? I mean, if you want to climb the
• 1:11:18
  ranks. But right.
• 1:11:19
  So yeah, I did that for a couple years and luckily I was working
• 1:11:22
  for a guy who owned a concrete company at the time and he built
• 1:11:27
  AUFC Gym in the back. And Joe Riggs, if you remember
• 1:11:31
  Joe Riggs. Oh yeah, yeah, Joe Riggs was
• 1:11:32
  the, I don't say head trainer, but he was kind of head coach
• 1:11:36
  guy there. And so I was able to to really
• 1:11:38
  friend friend up Joe Riggs and stole his pants and dressed up
• 1:11:42
  like him for Halloween one year. There's a.
• 1:11:44
  Picture of it. Yeah, he lives in surprise.
• 1:11:45
  Yeah. How does he?
• 1:11:46
  Yeah, yeah, He was a pretty big name in the UFC.
• 1:11:49
  He was a little. Yeah, I just saw him do like
• 1:11:52
  he's doing bare knuckle brawling.
• 1:11:53
  Oh no shit. So he was a customer of mine
• 1:11:55
  when I was still in the car business, but he also used to be
• 1:11:58
  damn near our neighbor. And we, when we'd take the kids
• 1:12:00
  to, there's a bagel shop over in Surprise and we'd see him, you
• 1:12:04
  know, two or three times a month.
• 1:12:07
  Yeah, so I got, I got to know him pretty well.
• 1:12:08
  And then Edwin Dewey's was on like Ultimate Fighter, probably
• 1:12:12
  3 or 4. I got big with him a little bit.
• 1:12:14
  And then I met Matt Hughes and got to wrestle around with those
• 1:12:17
  guys. And so some of the other guys, I
• 1:12:19
  think Chuck Liddell came. I was, I was out of town.
• 1:12:21
  I didn't get to meet him. I don't think he trained with
• 1:12:23
  the guys, but I got trained with a lot of cool guys.
• 1:12:25
  Matt Pena was their boxing coach, got trained with him.
• 1:12:26
  And Mario France was a was a guy.
• 1:12:28
  I think Matt Pena was a military camp.
• 1:12:31
  He was in town doing his thing. Shoni Carter.
• 1:12:34
  Yeah. That guy's a trip to hang out
• 1:12:36
  with who? Shoni Carter, Mr. International.
• 1:12:40
  Yeah, he was, he was big in UFC in the early 2000s and I hung
• 1:12:44
  out with that guy a lot. And that guy was crazy, really
• 1:12:47
  crazy. He's like, he's, he's a lot of
• 1:12:48
  fun to hang out with though, But yeah.
• 1:12:50
  Yeah, and then Ben Henderson's here.
• 1:12:51
  He's got the. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:53
  So yeah, I never hung out with Ben, never met Ben.
• 1:12:55
  I had a roommate that that went to the lab that worked out with
• 1:12:58
  him, but I never got to work out with him.
• 1:12:59
  I was a little out of the game. Doesn't, doesn't, doesn't.
• 1:13:02
  Sean Sean's brother. Sean O'Malley.
• 1:13:04
  Until it was. No, Yeah, that's who it was.
• 1:13:06
  Oh, OK. Yeah, he was.
• 1:13:08
  He was in the lab with him. I was his roommate at the time.
• 1:13:10
  Oh, OK, OK. They were doing their thing,
• 1:13:12
  yeah. So, but yeah, I got to train
• 1:13:13
  with a lot of those guys, meet a lot of them in the early 2000s
• 1:13:16
  and and then I went into law enforcement, so.
• 1:13:19
  He also knows Chuck Norris. I do.
• 1:13:21
  I'm one of his. What belts?
• 1:13:22
  Yeah. Haven't seen him in a long time.
• 1:13:24
  Oh, really? Yeah.
• 1:13:24
  Isn't that crazy? That's cool, dude.
• 1:13:26
  Yeah. Yeah, so I started martial arts
• 1:13:28
  in 9094 and then I, I got to, I got black belt in like 5 years,
• 1:13:35
  six years, whatever it was. And then I was pretty active in
• 1:13:38
  it all the way up to I'd say 2425 ish.
• 1:13:47
  And that's obviously I got married and had kids and things
• 1:13:50
  slowed down and you know, life happens.
• 1:13:52
  I got to, I'm working nights and it's just really tough to get in
• 1:13:55
  there. Still do it.
• 1:13:56
  I still am active. I actively work out, stay
• 1:13:59
  healthy. I actively box and and still hit
• 1:14:01
  bags and stay sharp. But as far as like scheduled
• 1:14:05
  ritual training, I don't. I don't really do anymore.
• 1:14:08
  I just kind of like go to the gym and we'll smack the bag a
• 1:14:10
  little bit and get ready. But I haven't had any issues.
• 1:14:14
  I've seen your videos, like where you're kicking, dude, you
• 1:14:16
  have a mean ass kick. Yeah, they're massive long ass
• 1:14:18
  legs too. I've put a couple people down
• 1:14:20
  with those. Really.
• 1:14:21
  Yeah, you can't work. Oh, yeah, 1 gig kick.
• 1:14:24
  They're like rethink their decisions.
• 1:14:26
  Like, wait a minute, what is that?
• 1:14:27
  Yeah, like my leg hurts. I can't feel it anymore.
• 1:14:29
  And it's like, it's probably a good thing to know because
• 1:14:32
  nobody thinks. About a kid, you know yeah.
• 1:14:35
  Their hands go up and then you you throw one good thigh kick on
• 1:14:38
  them and completely take off their bait.
• 1:14:40
  It's really hard to fight when you're.
• 1:14:41
  When you're with one leg, no. Legs and so you, you give them
• 1:14:44
  one shot and then just kind of judge what they're going to do.
• 1:14:47
  Yeah, I had a couple guys bang, take it and they're like, yeah,
• 1:14:49
  let's go. I'm like, OK, alcohol is so
• 1:14:51
  powerful. Alcohol and meth, dude, there's
• 1:14:55
  nothing that you can do to stop those guys.
• 1:14:57
  But yeah, it's been good. So I remember before we started
• 1:15:04
  all this, you kind of mentioned that, you know, departments need
• 1:15:08
  guys. Right.
• 1:15:09
  Yeah, yeah. So how big of a need is police
• 1:15:13
  officers these days? Huge.
• 1:15:15
  That's a good question too. And it's one of those jobs.
• 1:15:19
  It's still a good job. It's still a noble profession.
• 1:15:23
  I will say, you know, if I was going to give one piece of
• 1:15:26
  advice to to a younger generation coming in is you do
• 1:15:30
  have to be self motivated. The job will eat you alive.
• 1:15:33
  If you become, you know, salty, it will like if you're like,
• 1:15:38
  screw these people or screw this or screw that, you're, you're,
• 1:15:40
  you're going to go down a drain. But it's it's self fulfilling.
• 1:15:44
  So if you can get out there and you're doing what you want to do
• 1:15:47
  and you know, you're making impact and you know what's good
• 1:15:50
  for you and good for that person that you're dealing with.
• 1:15:52
  That's kind of where it's at. And I think that's kind of where
• 1:15:56
  that I think that's where the line's at is these folks coming
• 1:16:00
  in think that this profession is going to be something that it's
• 1:16:02
  not. So we lose them or they get in,
• 1:16:05
  they realize, oh, this is real. Like I just got in a fight and
• 1:16:08
  this guy tried to take my gun. Like, oh, I don't want to do
• 1:16:11
  that. And I respect people that
• 1:16:13
  realize it's not for them because I don't want that person
• 1:16:15
  next to me when when shit's in the fan.
• 1:16:17
  And I'd much rather you get the gut check early on and decide
• 1:16:21
  it's not for you than to fake it until you make it.
• 1:16:24
  And that's not really a good theory in this line of work
• 1:16:26
  because you're going to get yourself for where somebody else
• 1:16:28
  killed. And that's not just us.
• 1:16:30
  Like you're going to get a citizen killed because your lack
• 1:16:32
  of effort, your lack of understanding, your lack of
• 1:16:34
  training, your lack of education, your lack of ability,
• 1:16:36
  you're going to get somebody killed.
• 1:16:38
  And that's the stakes that you're playing every night you
• 1:16:39
  go to work. I'm not saying every single
• 1:16:41
  night you you're doing that, certainly.
• 1:16:44
  But you have to be prepared for. It but guess what you're being
• 1:16:46
  you're being paid for what you might have to do right, And it's
• 1:16:49
  at any any moment in the night, in the day, far near like it
• 1:16:54
  could happen at a moment's notice, like it is thou go time
• 1:16:58
  and it's you. And if you're not willing and
• 1:17:00
  able, you're going to get somebody killed, you know,
• 1:17:02
  possibly get somebody killed. And so when you go to work, you
• 1:17:06
  know, you have to have those mindsets.
• 1:17:07
  You have to have fun. It's such a fun job, man.
• 1:17:09
  I have laughed so much more than I've I've been scared or
• 1:17:13
  anything else. Like you look back or you're
• 1:17:14
  just, you're out with the boys or your team.
• 1:17:16
  And it's so funny that the things that we get into, you're
• 1:17:19
  like, dude, is that is that for real, man?
• 1:17:21
  Is this real life? There's that quote on TV.
• 1:17:24
  It's like you just got tickets to the, you know, the best show
• 1:17:26
  on Earth, right? Or whatever that show was.
• 1:17:28
  That's it's, it's honestly it is, but and then I think guys
• 1:17:32
  are starting to leave the profession early, you know, just
• 1:17:35
  because of the, the nonsense, the politics, they're the guys
• 1:17:38
  are just like, I don't need this man.
• 1:17:39
  Like I, I just don't. It's not good for mental health.
• 1:17:43
  It's not good for my family. I'm all stressed, like I'm not
• 1:17:46
  sleeping. So I'm just going to leave and
• 1:17:48
  they they leave. Do you know if they're if
• 1:17:51
  they're at least trying to get help?
• 1:17:53
  Or most of them are a lot, a lot of guys do they, they, you know,
• 1:17:56
  they go to their, they go to therapy or they go to, you know,
• 1:17:59
  talk to somebody and things like that.
• 1:18:02
  And sometimes there's, sometimes you just can't come back from
• 1:18:03
  whatever it is. And other times you do get the
• 1:18:05
  help and you're good to go. I know AI know a guy very close
• 1:18:08
  to me that has overcome some real hardship recently.
• 1:18:12
  And, you know, I'm proud of him. I, I told him I'm proud of him.
• 1:18:14
  He's, he's doing well now. Luckily, he's on track to retire
• 1:18:18
  here at the end of the year, but he's been fighting those for
• 1:18:21
  years. I mean, he's been fighting it a
• 1:18:23
  long time and nobody really knew, you know, and so he, he's
• 1:18:27
  getting that done. But, you know, it's, it's one of
• 1:18:31
  those professions where I think people are looking at it and
• 1:18:33
  they're like, man, I don't want to do that.
• 1:18:34
  Yeah, it's, it's not, I won't say heroed.
• 1:18:39
  You know, cops used to be looked at like, you know, high end
• 1:18:41
  society, noble professional, like kids, kids still look up to
• 1:18:46
  us, right? But there becomes a point where
• 1:18:48
  now their families like you don't want to do that.
• 1:18:50
  You'll. Be raised highly criticized.
• 1:18:52
  Oh, man, I mean, it's crazy, dude.
• 1:18:55
  It's crazy. And, and that's the other thing
• 1:18:57
  is you get, you get officers like myself, I, I don't, I don't
• 1:19:00
  get too deep into the weeds on it, but you do get them where
• 1:19:03
  they'll get so far into trying to change people's minds.
• 1:19:05
  I'm like, you're just not going to do it.
• 1:19:07
  Like they're not open for it. And nobody's ever criticized
• 1:19:13
  like a doctor, Like nobody goes on YouTube.
• 1:19:15
  But look what this doctor did, right?
• 1:19:17
  Yeah, look, look at this. Or or.
• 1:19:19
  Nobody's in the surgery room like, yeah, that's the wrong
• 1:19:22
  scalpel, motherfucker. You should not have done that.
• 1:19:24
  You know, it's always, it's always the cops that are, that
• 1:19:26
  are we're in the public eye. Yeah, it's easy.
• 1:19:29
  It's easy to get footage of us. You know just what I think the.
• 1:19:31
  Assumption is that you're always in the.
• 1:19:33
  You're always in the mindset to do the aggressive piece, right?
• 1:19:37
  Versus talking, you know, talking the situation down,
• 1:19:39
  right? Which going back to like what
• 1:19:41
  you said earlier, I think it makes me more comfortable
• 1:19:44
  knowing that my son is going into this, knowing that using
• 1:19:47
  your brain before you use your gun is is really what you want
• 1:19:51
  to lean. Into yeah, like 99.9% of time
• 1:19:54
  it's your, it's your verbal, yeah, your verbal judo that that
• 1:19:57
  gets me. And that's that's the other hot
• 1:19:58
  topic is the the. De escalation.
• 1:20:02
  Yeah, I'm a de escalation trainer, right?
• 1:20:04
  Gone through the course, done all that through through force
• 1:20:06
  science. And it's really hard to de
• 1:20:08
  escalate somebody when they don't want to be de escalated.
• 1:20:10
  Sure. The first part of that is that
• 1:20:12
  you got to have mutual input. So the problem is you show up to
• 1:20:16
  a call and you don't try, You'll you would have never known
• 1:20:19
  because you didn't try. That's a problem, right?
• 1:20:21
  But if you're there and you're trying and the person's not
• 1:20:24
  communicating, they're not listening.
• 1:20:26
  They're not listening to orders. They're not they're not talking.
• 1:20:30
  Well, what do you what's what do you expect us to do?
• 1:20:32
  What's your expectation? This guy's not talking to me.
• 1:20:35
  Well, de escalate them. You gotta make a decision.
• 1:20:37
  OK, well guess what, this person isn't listening, he's not
• 1:20:41
  talking. So I am going to de escalate it.
• 1:20:43
  Instead of using a lethal force, I'm going to use a less lethal
• 1:20:46
  force on this guy 1st and see if I can get some reaction from
• 1:20:49
  him. And if that works, great.
• 1:20:51
  But at some point in time we do have to do something.
• 1:20:53
  Sure. What, what, What is?
• 1:20:54
  What's the definition of A of lethal force?
• 1:20:59
  It'd be. Is that like physical force or
• 1:21:03
  is that it's? Anything that can cause or
• 1:21:06
  potentially cause the death of a person.
• 1:21:08
  Gotcha. So lethal force might not be a
• 1:21:11
  gun. You know, if you're stabbing
• 1:21:13
  somebody with a pen or put them in, now, if you put them in a
• 1:21:15
  carotid, it's lethal force, right.
• 1:21:18
  That got federally banned, which was crazy.
• 1:21:20
  Yeah. Again, politics in law
• 1:21:21
  enforcement. That was the whole.
• 1:21:24
  That was a smoking one, the dude in New York, right?
• 1:21:27
  That came out after George Floyd.
• 1:21:28
  Oh, OK. No, no neck restraints, no
• 1:21:31
  nothing. The federal ban on it.
• 1:21:32
  So we weren't allowed to do it anymore and.
• 1:21:37
  As as a police officer with them, taking that away from you
• 1:21:40
  guys is does does that make your job a little bit harder?
• 1:21:43
  Was, was that something that it doesn't that like 1% of
• 1:21:46
  situations, right? So we, I remember we had a call
• 1:21:50
  of a guy freaking out in an apartment.
• 1:21:52
  Me and my partner get there and I slugged it out with this guy.
• 1:21:55
  And I mean, I put the Scrooge to him.
• 1:21:57
  Good and he's on PCP. He just was not feeling pain
• 1:22:03
  right, So pain was not going to work for this guy.
• 1:22:05
  Clearly. Like I already laid his face
• 1:22:07
  open. You know, I cut him on his eye.
• 1:22:09
  I'd need him. I probably broke some ribs.
• 1:22:11
  I I don't know what happened to the guy afterwards because once
• 1:22:13
  we arrested him, he's gone. I've never seen him again, but
• 1:22:16
  I'm I'm sure he suffered some consequences for that day.
• 1:22:20
  So we're in this room now. This is right after the ban.
• 1:22:23
  This is this is like 2 weeks after, right?
• 1:22:25
  And so we're in this we're in this fight, this struggle with
• 1:22:29
  this guy. I'm like, I don't know what they
• 1:22:31
  want us. We're gonna just have to beat
• 1:22:32
  this guy unconscious. That's worse, right?
• 1:22:35
  And I could have ended that thing in 10 seconds taking his
• 1:22:38
  back, put him in a carotid, put him out, let my partner grab his
• 1:22:41
  arms, put him in handcuffs. At least he's restrained.
• 1:22:44
  He's gonna wake up and he's still gonna be doing the thing,
• 1:22:46
  but he's not gonna be able to physically get around.
• 1:22:49
  And we got some other means to to restrict people's movements.
• 1:22:52
  And it's in my opinion, he's facing a medical emergency too.
• 1:22:55
  He's overheating. His body's going to shut down
• 1:22:57
  here pretty quick. He's going to die if we don't do
• 1:22:59
  something right. Well, his, his girlfriend, wife,
• 1:23:02
  wherever she was significant other, she doesn't know what to
• 1:23:04
  do with him. She's like, I don't know what's
• 1:23:05
  going on. And he's freaking out.
• 1:23:07
  He just came home. We're like, OK, we'll deal with
• 1:23:08
  it. So we show up there again, not
• 1:23:10
  knowing what's really going on. She didn't tell us he was on
• 1:23:12
  PCP. She just said he's freaking out.
• 1:23:14
  So we go in there and it's like, hey, man, what's going on?
• 1:23:16
  He like looks around the corner and he's all frantic.
• 1:23:18
  I'm like, oh, geez, like, hey, doesn't want to communicate with
• 1:23:20
  us. So we start trying to get like
• 1:23:22
  an angle on him to see what's going on.
• 1:23:24
  And he's like, what are you guys doing?
• 1:23:27
  We're like, hey, we're we're here, what's going on and
• 1:23:28
  freaking out. And the fight was on like I
• 1:23:30
  didn't, we didn't have time to do anything.
• 1:23:31
  He was just running at us and fights on.
• 1:23:34
  And I feel like if I put him in a, in a carotid, it would have
• 1:23:37
  been over real quick. But now we're fighting with this
• 1:23:39
  guy for 2-3 minutes and we are just putting the licks to this
• 1:23:42
  guy. And so finally fire didn't get
• 1:23:46
  fire. Never got notified that we were
• 1:23:47
  in a fight with this guy. We never got to put it out on
• 1:23:50
  the radio. And it's, it's early in the
• 1:23:52
  morning. And so fire just comes walking
• 1:23:54
  in the door into the fight. Now, I don't know if you know
• 1:23:57
  this or not, but firefighters don't like to fight very much.
• 1:23:59
  They're always like, oh, God, send police.
• 1:24:03
  This guy told us that we're bad to police.
• 1:24:07
  Shots fired. Yeah, I love my firefighters,
• 1:24:10
  man. I love them.
• 1:24:11
  But I just, I got I got RASM a little bit right.
• 1:24:14
  Whenever we're doing I'll I'll go back to the story here and
• 1:24:16
  just say, but whenever. So when we go on SWAT
• 1:24:18
  operations, we have a medic or two and they're both
• 1:24:20
  firefighters. And I'm always like, hey, man,
• 1:24:23
  you know I love you, right, Because that's that's giving me
• 1:24:25
  my guy. Like if I ever take it around,
• 1:24:26
  he's plugging holes. So I'm always really nice to my
• 1:24:28
  firefighters. I love my firefighters.
• 1:24:30
  That's funny. And I do my best at night when
• 1:24:32
  someone's like, oh, I'm on, I'm on fire.
• 1:24:34
  My finger hurts. I always try to do my best to
• 1:24:37
  talk that person out of it so I don't have to wake the
• 1:24:39
  firefighters up at 2:00. Yeah.
• 1:24:40
  Yeah. Because I, I, dude, I feel bad
• 1:24:43
  for them because, you know, it's bullshit.
• 1:24:44
  Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 1:24:45
  And they wait, and they're just like.
• 1:24:46
  Well, they kind of deal with the same thing, right?
• 1:24:48
  They're kind of running on the same people.
• 1:24:50
  Yeah, yeah. And they're, you could tell
• 1:24:51
  they're so tired. They're, you know, they, they
• 1:24:53
  probably just got back from a run or two and they're trying to
• 1:24:55
  catch a couple hours of sleep because they're, they're on the
• 1:24:57
  clock 24 hours, right. And so I try my best.
• 1:25:00
  So I always feel I'm like, they show up.
• 1:25:02
  I'm like, I'm sorry, dude. Like I tried this guy was
• 1:25:05
  adamant like there's nothing I can do to me.
• 1:25:06
  I'm sorry. And there was like, that's cool.
• 1:25:08
  But I I do try to look up from the fire.
• 1:25:09
  Guys, that was the first thing your brother said to Tyler is
• 1:25:11
  like, make sure that it's a real call.
• 1:25:13
  Don't call me out of no bullshit.
• 1:25:15
  Yeah. That's funny.
• 1:25:17
  Unless they're transporting to the hospital or rendering
• 1:25:20
  medical aid, the firefighters aren't like they're not doing
• 1:25:22
  anything. They're giving you an ice pack
• 1:25:24
  or whatever, telling you to be OK.
• 1:25:25
  Yeah, it. Could be some Tyler.
• 1:25:27
  It's actually. A really easy job.
• 1:25:28
  No, I'm just kidding. This guy's, he's got to do some
• 1:25:31
  work. So anyway, so the firefighters
• 1:25:33
  walk in. We're already in this fight, and
• 1:25:36
  he comes running up. This, I don't even remember who
• 1:25:38
  it was, but God bless him. He comes running up and he's
• 1:25:41
  like, now I've got one arm. My buddy's got like an arm and a
• 1:25:44
  leg. We're all twisted in like a
• 1:25:46
  pretzel. He's like, whoa, what was going
• 1:25:48
  on? And I'm like, just sit on this
• 1:25:50
  guy. Just sit on his back.
• 1:25:52
  He's like, OK, so he sits down and this guy's still just
• 1:25:55
  fighting with us, right? So he's like, you want me to
• 1:25:57
  choke him out? I'm like, yeah, dude, choke him
• 1:26:01
  out. You do it, Yeah.
• 1:26:02
  You do it I. Can't so the firefighter I I
• 1:26:04
  think he trained for it right. I I don't think this is the
• 1:26:06
  first time he did it because he slipped in there.
• 1:26:08
  Perfect. Put him right in the V Put him.
• 1:26:09
  Yeah, put him out. So like we got to handcuff this
• 1:26:14
  guy before he wakes up. You know, we're trying to catch
• 1:26:16
  a break. We put him in handcuffs, he
• 1:26:18
  wakes up everything else. So I told the firefighters
• 1:26:20
  looking at us, he's like, why don't we guys doing, We're like,
• 1:26:22
  we're not allowed to do that anymore.
• 1:26:23
  And just thank God he was there, man.
• 1:26:25
  Yeah, right place, right time, because I don't know what we
• 1:26:27
  were going to do. That's crazy.
• 1:26:28
  I. Don't know.
• 1:26:29
  And and they took that tool away from us and unfortunately like
• 1:26:33
  you got to ban it for the masses, right, right.
• 1:26:35
  Because you are playing the lowest common denominator at
• 1:26:37
  times and you don't want some new officer holding it too long
• 1:26:40
  or not, you know, not applying it appropriately and, and
• 1:26:44
  damaging something in the neck, you know, windpipe, esophagus,
• 1:26:47
  things like that. Like it's got to be trained.
• 1:26:49
  It's got to be trained frequent and often.
• 1:26:52
  And then it's obviously got to be used, used and sustained as
• 1:26:55
  a, as a, as a proper tool. So yeah, it was.
• 1:26:58
  It's one of those things I got taken away and it was like, man,
• 1:27:02
  have you politicians ever fought somebody high on meth, PCP,
• 1:27:05
  something like that word or fought?
• 1:27:06
  Anybody ever? Yeah.
• 1:27:07
  And they're. Like we use that.
• 1:27:08
  You're like use your Taser, love Taser.
• 1:27:10
  I've never used the Taser, but I love them.
• 1:27:12
  I've seen them used. I've never actually used one,
• 1:27:14
  but that's just opportunity or the whole.
• 1:27:16
  Shoot them in the leg. But use the Taser, well, the
• 1:27:19
  Tasers, I think it's gone up. They've improved it, you know,
• 1:27:23
  year after year, they're always improving it.
• 1:27:24
  They always have the R&D guys going going to town on that, on
• 1:27:27
  that tool, but. What's it's like?
• 1:27:29
  What's R&D? Researchers, you learn something
• 1:27:33
  every day. That's a true statement.
• 1:27:35
  They're always doing better. Like their darts come out a
• 1:27:36
  little harder now to penetrate clothes and things like that.
• 1:27:40
  But you know, guys in the East, you know, they're dealing with
• 1:27:42
  guys in sweaters and jackets. Those, those Taser darts aren't
• 1:27:45
  going to work. They got a they're a little more
• 1:27:47
  robust now. But I think Taser's success
• 1:27:51
  rate, don't quote me, don't hate me Taser, but I think it's like
• 1:27:53
  40% at best. It's 50.
• 1:27:55
  So you're telling me in a situation, you want me to take a
• 1:27:58
  5050 shot at this? Yeah.
• 1:28:00
  And they're like, well, yeah, it's better than a 0%.
• 1:28:02
  I'm like, fists aren't 0%, right?
• 1:28:05
  Fists are no land. Yeah.
• 1:28:06
  You know dogs are are canines are like 99%.
• 1:28:12
  Of a dog mouth is pretty accurate, yeah.
• 1:28:13
  So, yeah, so you know, when you're asking me to use a tool
• 1:28:16
  that's not super, super effective, but in again, it's
• 1:28:20
  just lack of education. I kinda said at the beginning
• 1:28:23
  like they're just not educated and it's not their fault.
• 1:28:26
  I think law enforcement could do a way better job of educating
• 1:28:29
  the public on uses of force, policies, procedures, what's
• 1:28:32
  normal, what's not normal and things like that.
• 1:28:34
  But they're like, yeah, don't use a karate, just use a just
• 1:28:37
  tase them. Yeah, that's because you've seen
• 1:28:39
  a successful Taser deployment when it works and the person.
• 1:28:42
  In a controlled yeah. And the person is just standing
• 1:28:44
  there and you get the yeah, you get the dart separation, you get
• 1:28:46
  the, you know, incapacitation and and you get the lock up and
• 1:28:50
  it's great. But that one, I might not have
• 1:28:52
  the distance to do that one. It might not work.
• 1:28:54
  You know, you've seen guys get tased before they start doing
• 1:28:56
  like the alligator spin because they know it's hard for you to
• 1:28:58
  fucking to dart them up with, with with the when they're
• 1:29:01
  spinning around or whatever. Yeah.
• 1:29:03
  Onion right there. Well, you're, you're gonna yeah,
• 1:29:05
  you're gonna get a tase. So these yeah, we'll do it
• 1:29:07
  later. So you've got you know, you've
• 1:29:09
  got the Taser dart and it's connected to the to the the the
• 1:29:12
  lead, which is electricity being delivered by the device.
• 1:29:14
  Well, if you snap that line, yeah, gone.
• 1:29:17
  You're done. So if I if I pop you with a
• 1:29:20
  Taser and you fall a certain way and it rips that now it's now
• 1:29:23
  my. Your ability to charge, it's
• 1:29:25
  gone. Yeah, now they've done better.
• 1:29:27
  They used to just be two darts, 11 cartridge.
• 1:29:29
  You just ship it, put another one on, hit another, done
• 1:29:32
  better. Now you can get get two shots
• 1:29:33
  now. And some of them are I think
• 1:29:35
  even more than that. This isn't a play for Taser or
• 1:29:39
  anything like that. And just so everybody knows,
• 1:29:41
  this is completely, this is not staged at all.
• 1:29:45
  Like, no, this conversation, this is going where it's going.
• 1:29:48
  So you say that you know the the department can do better at
• 1:29:52
  training people, right, I think. How?
• 1:29:55
  Educating education, Yeah, or. That's, yeah, that's, that's,
• 1:29:59
  that's that's what I meant. How how do you think they should
• 1:30:03
  go about doing it? I mean.
• 1:30:05
  Social media is going to be #1 I mean, everybody's got social
• 1:30:08
  media, things like that. So they do run citizen
• 1:30:10
  academies. Those are really good.
• 1:30:12
  But those are typically still kind of a little bit vetted, I
• 1:30:14
  think. So as far as I know.
• 1:30:16
  And most of the people that go to those, like want to, I
• 1:30:20
  honestly, I think the only way, best way to get it done is put
• 1:30:23
  in school. You got to have civics class.
• 1:30:26
  I don't know how to be a citizen.
• 1:30:27
  And part of that class, you know, part of a block of that
• 1:30:30
  education could be how do you act around the police?
• 1:30:32
  Sure, because all they're listening to is their parents.
• 1:30:34
  But how do I know what your parents are?
• 1:30:36
  You know, And and I would say, you know, 90% of parents are
• 1:30:40
  good parents. They want their kids to do the
• 1:30:41
  right thing. Everybody wants a good moral
• 1:30:42
  compass point N they want to do the right thing.
• 1:30:45
  Conscious. Everybody has a conscious
• 1:30:47
  whether they think they do or they don't.
• 1:30:48
  And you know, when you lie, you get criminals lying all the
• 1:30:51
  time, lying, lying, lying. And all of a sudden you're like,
• 1:30:52
  dude, come on, man, I know. Look, you're on video right
• 1:30:54
  here. They're like, all right, man,
• 1:30:56
  Yeah, I did. And then you could see it.
• 1:30:58
  You could see it in their body language and their face and and
• 1:31:00
  the way I'm like, you feel better now, don't you?
• 1:31:02
  And they're like, yeah, I do. I feel better.
• 1:31:04
  And it's just a thing, dude. You hear about it all the time.
• 1:31:06
  Like, remember the what was that old show?
• 1:31:08
  Cops. Yeah, cops. 30 years been
• 1:31:10
  running. Now no plug there.
• 1:31:13
  Yeah, no plug at all. Like the Fugitive Show, like
• 1:31:18
  they're out running around trying to remember.
• 1:31:20
  What was? Oh, cops.
• 1:31:21
  Yeah, 30 years so. Anyway, there's, there's a
• 1:31:25
  fugitive show where they're running and every time the
• 1:31:27
  fugitive gets caught, they're like, oh, thank you.
• 1:31:29
  I thank God, like most of the time cuz they're like, dude, I
• 1:31:31
  was so tired of running. I'm just glad I'm caught now.
• 1:31:33
  What? Yeah, cuz they're, dude, they're
• 1:31:35
  looking over their shoulder all the time.
• 1:31:38
  Like they're, they're constantly thinking, they're being
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  surveyed, there's surveillance on them.
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  They're constantly looking over their shoulder.
• 1:31:44
  They constantly think their friends and family are gonna
• 1:31:46
  turn them in. Like there's all these things.
• 1:31:47
  They're just, dude, their, their life is so uptight and they have
• 1:31:50
  to watch every single move. And then once they get, yeah,
• 1:31:53
  it's got to be. And then once they get caught,
• 1:31:55
  they're like, OK, well, they're not glad they got caught.
• 1:31:58
  I don't mean in a sense like that, but I'm just saying like,
• 1:32:00
  they're like the stress on their body and their mental fatigue
• 1:32:02
  and everything that's gone. And I think that works with with
• 1:32:06
  the conscious. That's how I think that works.
• 1:32:08
  And so I think you got to put it in schools.
• 1:32:10
  I think you got to get the education piece out there.
• 1:32:13
  Like you hear the humanizing of the badge all the time.
• 1:32:16
  Now that's hard to do when all I do is respond to nonsense.
• 1:32:20
  Yeah, like I don't get to go tell.
• 1:32:21
  I've never heard about that. What what?
• 1:32:22
  What do you mean the humanizing? Of the humanize bad.
• 1:32:25
  It's kind of like what we're doing right now.
• 1:32:26
  Like you get to see me, not you talk about cop work but not be
• 1:32:30
  like in your face telling you to get on the ground.
• 1:32:32
  Right? Yeah, you know, I'm putting you
• 1:32:33
  in handcuffs kind of thing. Well, we're learning.
• 1:32:35
  Yeah, it goes back to the education piece.
• 1:32:36
  Like I totally have a different perspective just listening to
• 1:32:39
  this. Yeah, it'll change it now it's.
• 1:32:43
  And again, knowing that my son's gonna go through this and
• 1:32:45
  knowing, listening to somebody like yourself talk about how you
• 1:32:49
  try to avoid, Oh, yeah, it's not that you, it's not that you're
• 1:32:52
  afraid of the contact or whatever, but it's, it's like
• 1:32:54
  I'm gonna do everything I can to not have to go that direction.
• 1:32:57
  Yeah, I could go the rest of my career and not, never throw, not
• 1:33:00
  get in a fight ever again and I will be totally cool with it,
• 1:33:04
  right. Like I definitely don't want.
• 1:33:05
  To. But that's not the assumption,
• 1:33:06
  right the? Assumption is I'm going out.
• 1:33:08
  Yeah, I'm gonna go out for a fight.
• 1:33:09
  I'm not. No, I'm not.
• 1:33:11
  You know, And I'd be lying if I didn't say my first two years I
• 1:33:14
  was like, heck yeah. I think that's most.
• 1:33:17
  That's most gung ho like ready to rock.
• 1:33:19
  If you were a but athlete in high school and a knucklehead
• 1:33:22
  right the first two years on a row, like I'm looking for a
• 1:33:24
  fight. Yeah, you're just, you're just
• 1:33:25
  looking to get into the middle, like what's this all about?
• 1:33:27
  And then you realize you're like, this isn't it?
• 1:33:29
  Yeah, this is what I thought it was.
• 1:33:31
  I thought, like I thought this oh, this is going to be police
• 1:33:33
  chases and fights and gun battles.
• 1:33:35
  It's it's not. Yeah, it's not.
• 1:33:36
  It's problem solving. Yeah.
• 1:33:37
  It's dealing with people's problems.
• 1:33:39
  And like I said a few minutes ago, unfortunately, you don't
• 1:33:42
  get to deal with, hey, my son is a scholar athlete.
• 1:33:46
  He just signed with, you know, a major conference D1 basketball
• 1:33:51
  player. I'm like, oh, dude,
• 1:33:52
  congratulations. That's awesome.
• 1:33:54
  Like, I'm proud of you. That's you're going to go do
• 1:33:56
  good things. Make sure to get your degree.
• 1:33:58
  You're going to do this, do that.
• 1:33:59
  No, I get to deal with scum. Yeah, my son's being an asshole.
• 1:34:04
  He's drunk. He's 17 and he says he's the man
• 1:34:07
  of the house and I walk in and I got this 17 year old full
• 1:34:10
  testosterone and alcohol going fuck you, this is my fucking
• 1:34:14
  house. You need a search warrant.
• 1:34:16
  All right, bud. How do you like, how do you deal
• 1:34:19
  with, because about that one incident you had with the whole
• 1:34:25
  bar thing, like how do you, how do you deal with that, that
• 1:34:29
  adrenaline rise and dump and rise, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:34:34
  So. Over the years, so I've talked
• 1:34:35
  about this too. I actually went to, I don't
• 1:34:37
  know, I don't know who he what he was exactly, but he was, he
• 1:34:40
  was a doctor of some sorts for like some science.
• 1:34:44
  I really don't remember what who he was, but I had the
• 1:34:46
  opportunity to like take him to the side and I was like, hey
• 1:34:49
  man, what's your opinion on adrenal fatigue?
• 1:34:52
  Like, because I just don't get it anymore.
• 1:34:54
  Like gunshots. Yeah, gunshots.
• 1:34:56
  I'm like, what's that? Or like you could drop a flash
• 1:34:59
  bang in here right now and I probably wouldn't even flinch it
• 1:35:02
  like because I've been around it so much, right?
• 1:35:04
  And he's like, no, you don't have adrenal fatigue.
• 1:35:06
  Like when you go on a roller coaster, do you still have fun?
• 1:35:09
  I'm like, yeah, I do. He's like, yeah, that's because
• 1:35:10
  you experience these all the time, but you're not on a roller
• 1:35:13
  coaster every day. But if I put you on a a 900 foot
• 1:35:16
  drop, like you start getting amped up, I'm like, yeah, a
• 1:35:18
  little bit. He's like, yeah, you're fine.
• 1:35:19
  I was like, I didn't really think about it like that because
• 1:35:22
  I'm thinking about it from the lens of work.
• 1:35:24
  Yeah. You DeSoto.
• 1:35:25
  Yeah. I go to work and there's a guy
• 1:35:27
  with a knife. I'm just not bothered by it.
• 1:35:29
  I'm just going to deal with the problem like I already like I've
• 1:35:32
  seen that picture so many times. I've seen the guy with the gun,
• 1:35:35
  you know, I've, I've been shot at.
• 1:35:37
  I've had all those things happen.
• 1:35:38
  So it's just not, it's not registering my brain that that's
• 1:35:41
  a big deal. It's just another another call.
• 1:35:45
  But when I get outside of work, I still get adrenaline.
• 1:35:48
  I still get like butterflies or whatever.
• 1:35:50
  Like, I step up on the first tee at a golf tournament and I'm
• 1:35:54
  like, Oh yeah, this. I feel it.
• 1:35:55
  And I get nervous. I still get that nerves like
• 1:35:57
  that's real, like I'm still a. Person you got scared, huh?
• 1:35:59
  Wow, you're a police officer and you got scared?
• 1:36:01
  Wow dude, gotta. Go to the gunfight, but I'm
• 1:36:03
  scared of hitting that golf ball, that shit.
• 1:36:06
  Smoking that house on the right of the T box.
• 1:36:08
  Yeah, so I think, I think, I think the adrenaline, it's it's
• 1:36:14
  healthy, it's good. It's it's fun to chase the, you
• 1:36:16
  know, the high, but I don't that particular call.
• 1:36:20
  I don't think, I don't think my blood pressure even like really
• 1:36:23
  rose that much. Really not really.
• 1:36:25
  I mean, it may have, but I didn't feel it.
• 1:36:26
  I've probably got to get to a point now, you know, let's these
• 1:36:30
  are just numbers, but let's say that that call put me at like
• 1:36:33
  140 beats per minute. It might take 240 beats per
• 1:36:38
  minute before I even feel it again.
• 1:36:41
  Like, so anything between there, I'm just not going to feel like
• 1:36:43
  I got to get to a certain threshold of like, oh man, this
• 1:36:46
  is crazy. Like for my for my senses to
• 1:36:49
  kind of get on overload. But to get to that point you had
• 1:36:52
  to start at 0, right? Yeah, so there's.
• 1:36:55
  So how did you deal with that? You know, like I.
• 1:36:57
  I think it's just experience. Yeah.
• 1:36:59
  I'll give you another example. I've got I I mean, here's the
• 1:37:01
  thing about law enforcement. This is this is my favorite part
• 1:37:02
  of law enforcement is when I retire, I can sit on my porch or
• 1:37:06
  wherever and I can just start telling stories.
• 1:37:09
  And some of them are not believable.
• 1:37:11
  Some of them are like, you're bullshit.
• 1:37:12
  I'm like, dude, I'm dead serious.
• 1:37:13
  This happened or like you meet people and they're like, no way.
• 1:37:16
  I'm like, Oh yeah, dude. Like this is crazy, right?
• 1:37:18
  So for instance, So I'll back up just a little bit.
• 1:37:22
  So lay out some of my, I don't want to call them achievement,
• 1:37:27
  but some of my things. So I'm a driving instructor,
• 1:37:29
  firearms instructor, rifle instructor, department armor,
• 1:37:33
  less lethal instructor. I think the only thing I don't
• 1:37:38
  do is DT, which is funny, right? I fought professionally and
• 1:37:41
  what's what's defense tactics? Oh, they had a fight.
• 1:37:45
  I think they're like, I'm not sure if we want Joey to.
• 1:37:48
  Like, I'm not, but we're not gonna.
• 1:37:50
  I'm not sure that we want Joey teaching our guys.
• 1:37:52
  We want to restrain these people, not knock him out.
• 1:37:54
  Yeah, yeah. A bunch of ninjas walking
• 1:37:57
  around. Everybody's just kicking people
• 1:37:59
  in the thighs. Right.
• 1:38:00
  That was my nickname for years was the Night Ninja, you know,
• 1:38:04
  But so it's the only thing I'm not so, but I do all these
• 1:38:07
  instructorship, you know, I'm an active threat instructor.
• 1:38:09
  I've gone through for science, I've done a lot.
• 1:38:13
  And so I've been to a lot of calls and this happened in I'd
• 1:38:18
  have to look, but I want to say 17 or 18 is when this when this
• 1:38:22
  popped off. This is one story I can share
• 1:38:25
  that kind of like affected affected me emotionally.
• 1:38:28
  I'm usually like go to the call, do my thing and I'm I get
• 1:38:30
  emotionally detached. I go about my business and
• 1:38:33
  that's the thing, right? And this one always hits a
• 1:38:35
  little different. So I'm so excuse me if I do get
• 1:38:39
  choked up because everything, everything went well, but the
• 1:38:41
  thought of what could have happened is, is always there.
• 1:38:44
  And I do get a little emotional because it's one of my one of my
• 1:38:47
  boys. Right.
• 1:38:47
  So and before I get into the story.
• 1:38:50
  So it's just like anything else, like him and I were buddies in
• 1:38:54
  high school, but then he had like his two or three really
• 1:38:58
  close buddies. Like I wasn't like a close
• 1:39:00
  buddy. And I had two or three of my
• 1:39:02
  really tight buddies that I had. And you get into law
• 1:39:06
  enforcement, you've got your team, right?
• 1:39:08
  Rock stars. Even on my, even on the SWAT
• 1:39:10
  team, I've got my, my guys. Those are all my guys.
• 1:39:12
  I go on, I'll go into any door with any of them at any time,
• 1:39:16
  right? But there's a few guys on that
• 1:39:18
  team that I, that I, those are the ones that I'm going to call
• 1:39:21
  like, hey, dude, I got some things going on.
• 1:39:23
  I need to talk to somebody. Like those are my guys, right?
• 1:39:25
  There's only a couple of them. So love all of them, but I also
• 1:39:29
  know reciprocated, they might not call me, I might not be
• 1:39:32
  their guy. And that's OK.
• 1:39:33
  You gotta have your guys, right? So this is a story about one of
• 1:39:37
  my guys, right? So, and I'll get back to the
• 1:39:40
  adrenaline, this kind of circle back here.
• 1:39:42
  But so I'm driving down the road and I'm getting ready to stop a
• 1:39:45
  guy right in traffic stop for speed or whatever.
• 1:39:49
  And out of the corner of my eye, I see another traffic stop
• 1:39:52
  that's already taking place. And I'm like, I'm like, who's
• 1:39:55
  that like looking on the screen And I'm like, oh, what are they
• 1:39:59
  doing? So they're on a detail on a
• 1:40:01
  whole other channel doing traffic stops.
• 1:40:03
  I didn't even know he was there. I didn't even know it was him.
• 1:40:06
  I'm like, that's just speed. Let me go over here, make sure
• 1:40:09
  this guy's good to go, right? Prioritize.
• 1:40:11
  So I go back to him instead. So I pull up, I get out, I walk
• 1:40:15
  up. It's a normal traffic stop.
• 1:40:17
  And I realize it's, it's one of my, my best friends.
• 1:40:19
  And I'm like, what are you guys out doing?
• 1:40:21
  He's an hour on DUI task force. This guy might be DUI and.
• 1:40:27
  Just. He's being cool, you know,
• 1:40:29
  Everything's cool. I'm like, are you good?
• 1:40:31
  He's like, yeah, I'm good. You want to take off?
• 1:40:32
  You can take off. I'm like, all right, no, I'll
• 1:40:34
  hang out, you know? So I go walking up to the
• 1:40:37
  passenger door. And I'm very notorious for
• 1:40:41
  tactics. So I get in a position where a
• 1:40:44
  lot of people don't even know I'm there.
• 1:40:45
  One of my favorite things to do is listen to people.
• 1:40:47
  Like I go to a call. I'll listen to what people are
• 1:40:49
  saying for a while and then I'll knock on the door.
• 1:40:52
  And then at some point in the conversation, I'll throw it out
• 1:40:54
  there. You're like, oh, yeah, these
• 1:40:55
  dude, are these Crocs, Canes, Canes.
• 1:40:57
  Sorry, sorry, Crocs. So these shoes, right?
• 1:40:59
  You're talking about how comfortable they are, do things
• 1:41:01
  like that. You guys are talking and then
• 1:41:02
  all of a sudden I'll knock on the door, you know, a couple
• 1:41:04
  minutes. Hey, is everything cool in here?
• 1:41:05
  Yeah, it's cool. Dah, dah, dah, dah.
• 1:41:07
  Hey, man, are those canes or shoes or you're like, Oh, yeah,
• 1:41:10
  I'm like, dude, those look so comfortable.
• 1:41:11
  And you're like, they were just talking about that.
• 1:41:13
  And these people think I have like these super powers.
• 1:41:15
  I was just listening to their conversation.
• 1:41:16
  They're like, yeah, dude, my cousin Doug's such an asshole.
• 1:41:19
  And then like, I'll knock on the door.
• 1:41:20
  And then at some point in time I was like, dude, you have a
• 1:41:24
  cousin named Doug. And they're like, yeah, I'm
• 1:41:27
  like, dude, I I think I ran into you guys at one point in time.
• 1:41:30
  And dude, it blows people's minds.
• 1:41:31
  I do it all the time. I just mess around with people
• 1:41:33
  and then I'll tell them at the I'll tell them at the end like
• 1:41:35
  I'm just kidding, dude. I heard you talk about that, so
• 1:41:37
  I'm probably. Thinking like shit dude, this
• 1:41:39
  guy's on surveillance. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:40
  What's he doing? Like, these are bugged.
• 1:41:43
  And so anyway, so I roll up to the traffic stop, I get into a
• 1:41:45
  position where this guy's got no clue I'm there, right.
• 1:41:47
  And this is something I do all the time.
• 1:41:49
  And I'm sitting there for probably 10 seconds or so.
• 1:41:52
  And one of the reasons I do it is because a lot of times people
• 1:41:55
  will throw their dope down or they'll, they'll they'll do some
• 1:41:58
  weird things. And you, they, they think that
• 1:42:02
  he's a, he's not paying attention, but I'm watching and
• 1:42:05
  I see people meth pipes down or they'll throw shit out the
• 1:42:08
  window, whatever they're going to do.
• 1:42:09
  And I catch it all the time. And so I'm sitting there at this
• 1:42:12
  window and this dude life in law enforcement's about behaviors
• 1:42:20
  and, and patterns. So you'll, you'll establish
• 1:42:23
  baseline patterns. And when there's something not
• 1:42:26
  right, I, I think you mentioned earlier like Spidey sense or the
• 1:42:28
  6th sense, it's what it is, is it's a pattern.
• 1:42:31
  So your brain establishes these patterns, right?
• 1:42:33
  So I'll do it subconsciously if if Shane goes reach in his
• 1:42:37
  pocket, it means nothing to you, but to me, that's a pattern of
• 1:42:40
  going what's he doing right? And it, it's just something
• 1:42:43
  that's instilled in me. Now you'll see guys walk in and
• 1:42:47
  as soon as I walk in, I look, I, I check the 90 and bad guys are
• 1:42:50
  always hiding. That's where I've been shot from
• 1:42:52
  in training. So I subconsciously look that
• 1:42:55
  direction, right? It's just what I do.
• 1:42:57
  And so I know what a pattern of a traffic stop looks like.
• 1:43:01
  And this guy is sitting in the, in the, in the driver's seat and
• 1:43:05
  he, he's looking at out, out the mirror and he's like looking at
• 1:43:08
  the next mirror. He's looking at the other
• 1:43:09
  mirror, He's looking at his side mirror.
• 1:43:10
  He's kind of like leaning around.
• 1:43:12
  And then finally he like looks like he gets in a spot where he
• 1:43:15
  can now see my buddy, right? So now he's like doing this.
• 1:43:17
  And also he's like, oh, it's like he hit that spot.
• 1:43:20
  So now he can see him. He knows where he's at and he,
• 1:43:22
  he's aware of his situation. So then I see this guy like in
• 1:43:26
  this position watching, he like pops the center console and like
• 1:43:30
  starts to slide his hand under. And I'm like, OK, that's
• 1:43:34
  different. Because if he was looking for
• 1:43:37
  his registration insurance, what would people do?
• 1:43:39
  They pop it open all the way. Oh, you want this?
• 1:43:42
  I don't want your expired insurance from five years ago.
• 1:43:44
  I don't. Here are this, that's emissions.
• 1:43:47
  This. That's the title to your car.
• 1:43:48
  You should probably take that out.
• 1:43:49
  Like they give you all kinds of weird shit.
• 1:43:51
  So that's the normal behavior. Or they turn a light on so they
• 1:43:56
  can see like there, there's patterns to this, right?
• 1:43:59
  Or so he kind of hits that center console.
• 1:44:02
  He's in a truck. It just kind of pops up.
• 1:44:05
  So then he slides his hand under there like surreptitiously, all
• 1:44:08
  slow. And I'm like, what the fuck is
• 1:44:09
  this guy doing? Like normally when they throw
• 1:44:11
  dope, they like, you know, they're trying to shove it in
• 1:44:15
  their seat or whatever. So what's this guy doing?
• 1:44:17
  Right? So I always have flashlight in
• 1:44:19
  my hand obviously, and I turn my light on.
• 1:44:22
  Well, this guy is now indexed the firearm.
• 1:44:24
  So he's he's got his hand on the, on the gun.
• 1:44:27
  And I described it in my report that it was like he touched a
• 1:44:30
  hot pot, you know, like when you don't think a pot's hiding.
• 1:44:32
  Oh, shit. That's kind of why I described
• 1:44:34
  it. So the first words out of my
• 1:44:36
  mouth were no, of all things, when I watched the camera back,
• 1:44:39
  I was like, no, and I didn't say police.
• 1:44:42
  I didn't say drop it. And I'm like, it was just no.
• 1:44:44
  And my thought process was don't fucking pull that thing, right?
• 1:44:47
  Right. So he's like, so now he's
• 1:44:49
  looking this way out the window. He's reaching back.
• 1:44:52
  He grabs his pistol. All of a sudden there's a bright
• 1:44:54
  light. And the guy that says no, he
• 1:44:55
  pulls his hands back, throws his hands up in the air.
• 1:44:58
  I'm now drawn down on them. And I'm like, dude, if you I
• 1:45:01
  said a few choice words, but I basically said, if you reach for
• 1:45:04
  that again, I'm I'm going to shoot you and I'm going to kill
• 1:45:07
  you. And my, my buddy, he hears me
• 1:45:10
  yelling and he's like, what the fuck's going on over there?
• 1:45:12
  I'm like, get up here reaching for a gun.
• 1:45:16
  He's like, oh, so we get him out of the car, we get him
• 1:45:18
  handcuffed. And at this moment I will tell
• 1:45:20
  you, I'm not proud of it. They actually use it as they use
• 1:45:23
  it as a training video, which I don't have an issue with.
• 1:45:26
  I'm not embarrassed by it, but it's real, right?
• 1:45:29
  And I almost feel like I I've never been around when they've
• 1:45:32
  trained it to the new guys. Your son will see the video if
• 1:45:35
  he watches the podcast, If he in his post Academy, he'll see this
• 1:45:39
  video, right? He'll be like, oh man, so they
• 1:45:42
  use this training and again, that doesn't bother me.
• 1:45:45
  What bothers me is my reaction because I was out of control.
• 1:45:47
  I won't say out of control, I was still in control, but I'm
• 1:45:50
  losing it. I'm motherfucking this guy
• 1:45:52
  upside down. I'm just in a fury right of the
• 1:45:56
  thought that this guy was going to pull a gun and shoot my
• 1:45:58
  friend, right? My friend was going to be in a
• 1:46:00
  gunfight. Whether he lived or died, I
• 1:46:02
  don't know. But the the fact that that was
• 1:46:04
  about that could have happened and all the things that were
• 1:46:07
  about to happen that didn't write butterfly effect.
• 1:46:09
  I didn't stop that car. He told me to leave.
• 1:46:11
  I stayed there. I got in a position where I
• 1:46:13
  could see all that came together, right?
• 1:46:15
  And I feel like if I would have not have done any of that, if I
• 1:46:17
  would have just been like, he's cool.
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  I don't know who that is. I'm going to keep going, do my
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  traffic stop. He'd have been in a shooting,
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  right, right, right. Or indifferent.
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  And so we get this guy in custody and I'm, I'm livid, like
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  I'm pissed because this guy just didn't try to shoot at a cop.
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  He was going to try to kill one of my best friends.
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  And so I was emotionally attached to that.
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  And so I was emotionally charged.
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  I was pissed off. We got him out of the car.
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  I didn't, we actually didn't touch him.
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  I was like, hey, get out of the car.
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  He gets out of the car. I'm like, get down.
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  So he gets down, go down to your belly.
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  We're like going down to the belly.
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  Grab them, handcuff them. I say a couple things and I'm,
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  if you saw the video, you'd be like, whoa, cuz I, so I could
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  show you a video on a SWAT team search warrant where it's like
• 1:46:59
  super calm. Hey, you in the house come out.
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  I'm like just super calm. Hey, I see you step on out and
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  then you see this video and you're like, whoa.
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  So a lot of command was like, this is our, this is our
• 1:47:09
  announcement. Because I do the announcements
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  not every time, but my, my main position on the SWAT team is the
• 1:47:14
  second guy in the door and I have the announcements.
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  That's part of my job is to make the search warrant
• 1:47:19
  announcements. It's super calm.
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  It's super like contact people all the time.
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  It's like, I'm talking to you right now.
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  It might be a little elevated so you can hear me, but it's it's
• 1:47:27
  very calm, very direct, very calming.
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  That brings a calming to the situation too, is you're all out
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  of control. They're like, Jesus Christ.
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  So there's a calming to that too.
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  But I, I was, I was yelling at this guy, right?
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  He's on the ground. I'm pissed.
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  I'm yelling at him, I'm slapping handcuffs on him.
• 1:47:43
  I'm like, fuck you, guy, like fuck you.
• 1:47:44
  You're trying to kill my friend, right?
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  And so command got a hold of this and they were like, wait a
• 1:47:49
  minute, like he was out of control while he's on our SWAT
• 1:47:51
  team, blah, blah, blah. So I, I did have a commander who
• 1:47:54
  knew me personally come up and he's like, are you good, man?
• 1:47:56
  I was like, yeah, I'm good. This was like a week or two
• 1:47:58
  later. So I didn't know what he's
• 1:47:59
  talking about because I've gone back to work now, right.
• 1:48:02
  He's like, yeah, man, You sure everything's cool at home?
• 1:48:05
  Like everything's good at work. Like you're, you're not going
• 1:48:07
  through anything. I'm like, Nah, dude, I'm square.
• 1:48:09
  I'm good. He's like, OK, yeah.
• 1:48:11
  I watched your video on that traffic stop and I just, you
• 1:48:13
  know, you were, that's not like you to do that.
• 1:48:15
  And I was like, yeah, I know you're talking about.
• 1:48:17
  Yeah, dude. Yeah, that one got me because I
• 1:48:19
  never experienced that before. Yeah.
• 1:48:21
  So that was a new experience. And that's just the raw reaction
• 1:48:24
  that happened. Now, I I come in that situation
• 1:48:27
  tonight, it's probably going to be different because I've seen
• 1:48:30
  it now. So like, if that that same exact
• 1:48:32
  situation or a very similar situation pans out like that, I
• 1:48:35
  would expect my reaction to be a lot different.
• 1:48:38
  And so when you get that raw adrenaline spike like that,
• 1:48:42
  that's what it takes for me to get that is something that has
• 1:48:47
  never happened, that could just be catastrophic.
• 1:48:52
  But I would imagine naturally, I mean there's there's a sense of
• 1:48:54
  protecting of each other. 100%. So you're, you know, it's I
• 1:48:59
  wouldn't think that that's abnormal.
• 1:49:02
  It would be no different than if you or I were out, you know, not
• 1:49:05
  not that I'm anything like, you know, a cop, but I would do
• 1:49:08
  anything to protect you guys. Right.
• 1:49:09
  Yeah. And, and my natural instinct
• 1:49:11
  would to be to flip out. Oh yeah.
• 1:49:13
  Not not to be like, hey, you know.
• 1:49:15
  Yeah, Well, that's why, that's why DV laws are so strict is
• 1:49:19
  because you and I can get in a fight, not a big deal.
• 1:49:21
  We don't know each other other than today and hopefully going
• 1:49:24
  forward, but we don't know each other.
• 1:49:26
  We can get in a fight and then go have a beer and it's not a
• 1:49:28
  big deal. But when I get in a fight with
• 1:49:29
  my wife, that's a big deal. I'm emotionally attached to it.
• 1:49:32
  I've been, you know, I've been with my wife for 15 years.
• 1:49:35
  So when we get in a fight, there's an emotional attachment
• 1:49:37
  to it. There's it's a lot more
• 1:49:39
  volatile. It's that involvement of a fight
• 1:49:42
  is so much more. And that's that thing is like,
• 1:49:45
  hey, you're you're fighting my buddy.
• 1:49:46
  That's my boy. Yeah.
• 1:49:47
  You want me to get involved in that?
• 1:49:48
  You're going to be much more emotional.
• 1:49:50
  Yeah. Versus if you just see two guys
• 1:49:51
  fighting at a bar, you're like 5 bucks on the guy in the black.
• 1:49:55
  Like it's not a big deal to you? Yeah, you know, it's this has
• 1:49:58
  been super educational for me. And I think go going back to
• 1:50:00
  what you're talking about is like getting the community
• 1:50:03
  educated on not necessarily what you guys do every day, but how
• 1:50:07
  you guys interact with the community and, and how the goal
• 1:50:10
  isn't to be the aggressor, it's to figure out, you know, a, a
• 1:50:15
  common way of coming to a, you know, a resolve that doesn't
• 1:50:20
  necessarily have to me. Yeah.
• 1:50:22
  Being aggressive and yeah, like I said, bad guy, I use that term
• 1:50:26
  loosely. That's just common thing that we
• 1:50:28
  say, oh, it's bad guy, bad guy. But every person, perpetrator,
• 1:50:31
  anybody in this situation always has a vote.
• 1:50:34
  And what your vote is is how we're going to react to it.
• 1:50:36
  We're always reactionary. There's only a unless you're
• 1:50:38
  doing active threat or hostage rescue, there's really no point
• 1:50:43
  in time where officers are like offensive.
• 1:50:45
  It's all reactionary. Now, I'm not saying that they
• 1:50:47
  don't go on the offensive based on what the person's doing
• 1:50:50
  right, but I'm talking just going into be offensive.
• 1:50:53
  It's there's only like 2 situations ever.
• 1:50:55
  Yeah. And, and the person always has a
• 1:50:57
  vote. Oh.
• 1:50:57
  I think I can speak for Shane. I'd love to have you back
• 1:51:00
  multiple motions and continue to learn about this.
• 1:51:02
  Yeah. And better understand, you know
• 1:51:04
  who's protecting our community and you know who really who we
• 1:51:07
  lean on. Sure from it would be a pleasure
• 1:51:09
  from from a. Citizen and who we?
• 1:51:11
  Did you did mention that the the department or whatever your
• 1:51:16
  community could do better at? Yeah.
• 1:51:18
  Teaching or educating the public?
• 1:51:20
  Maybe this could be the platform for that?
• 1:51:21
  This is this is always a step, yeah, a step in the right
• 1:51:24
  direction for sure. So I'm, I'm definitely glad to,
• 1:51:26
  you know, have an opportunity. You were all excited and I was
• 1:51:29
  like, oh, this is going to be cool.
• 1:51:30
  Good to meet you, but. Joey was like the pie top three
• 1:51:33
  person. That was like when we started
• 1:51:35
  this, I was like, I need to have him, yeah.
• 1:51:37
  Yeah, no, it's been cool and I'm.
• 1:51:38
  Looking forward to hearing. More I should talk to him and
• 1:51:40
  he's like yeah dude yes yeah, that's good I'm down I'm totally
• 1:51:43
  down we. Appreciate you coming on.
• 1:51:44
  It's been a lot of fun. I'm, I definitely, you know,
• 1:51:47
  have learned a ton and look forward to learning more from
• 1:51:49
  you so. Good.
• 1:51:50
  Yeah. Look forward to having you
• 1:51:51
  again, yeah? For sure.
• 1:51:52
  I'll be on again. Yeah, awesome.
• 1:51:53
  So thanks. For tuning in, we hope that the
• 1:51:56
  Chargers have a shitty seat. No, we don't.
• 1:51:58
  If you have any questions that you want answered in the next
• 1:52:01
  episode with Joey, definitely shoot us a message.
• 1:52:03
  Let us know what you want to know about and and we'll do our
• 1:52:05
  best to to answer those questions.
• 1:52:07
  Yeah, and I'll, I'll tell, I'll tell Shane.
• 1:52:09
  Like don't tell me the question. Just let me do it.
• 1:52:11
  Yeah, just give it to me straight and I'll, I'll try to
• 1:52:14
  answer it. Like I'll give it to you on the
• 1:52:15
  spot. I'll give it to you.
• 1:52:16
  I don't like the pre. I don't like pre planned
• 1:52:18
  answers. No, no.
• 1:52:19
  Well, this is randomly. This is so yeah, honestly, this
• 1:52:22
  is this was great. This is good.
• 1:52:23
  I I enjoy talking to people, especially people that don't get
• 1:52:25
  to talk to a lot and reaching your guys audience obviously.
• 1:52:29
  And hopefully we can grow that and I'd love to be a part of
• 1:52:32
  that. That's cool.
• 1:52:33
  And but this was 100% non scripted.
• 1:52:37
  Like I just showed up, got an address.
• 1:52:40
  I did tell him to wear a Black Hat.
• 1:52:42
  Yeah, what's up? And yeah, you know, came on and
• 1:52:46
  just said, hey, I'm Joey, let's do this.
• 1:52:47
  And, and, and we just started talking.
• 1:52:49
  There's no script, there's no introduction.
• 1:52:52
  There was just, let's just get going.
• 1:52:53
  And that's the way I like it. Yeah.
• 1:52:54
  Well, we're going to do it more. For sure.
• 1:52:56
  Yes, Sir. All right.
• 1:52:57
  Thanks for coming on. Thank you.
• 1:52:59
  All right, You're welcome. Bye, bye, you friends.
• 1:53:04
  Everyone's going to be friends. And plus, you better ride like
• 1:53:07
  you ride.