Latest / Next Act with Jeff Ornstein / Judi Beecher - Award-Winning Actress, Filmmaker & Producer, Beecher Productions
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- 0:01Jeff Ornstein: Hi everyone, and welcome to Next Act with Jeff Orenstein.
- 0:05Jeff Ornstein: I am Jeff, and on this show we celebrate people on the cusp of greatness.
- 0:10Jeff Ornstein: Those building on past successes in some of the curious and inventive and sometimes unexpected ways they have achieved those, and stepping into moments that could define their legacy.
- 0:21Jeff Ornstein: We'll talk about current projects, lessons learned, and the extraordinary opportunities ahead.
- 0:27Jeff Ornstein: So the best is yet to come.
- 0:29Jeff Ornstein: Today's guest is Judy Beecher, a multi-award-winning actress, filmmaker, singer, songwriter, and producer whose career spans Hollywood, Paris, and New York.
- 0:39Jeff Ornstein: From starring in Takin'three, Tango Shalom, and the acclaimed video game Heavy Rain, to directing documentaries and producing award-winning films, Judy has built a truly international career driven by creativity, curiosity, and purpose.
- 0:54Jeff Ornstein: Judy, welcome.
- 0:55Jeff Ornstein: Thank you.
- 0:56Jeff Ornstein: So I did have a chance to see some parts of your film Tango Shalom.
- 1:04Jeff Ornstein: I thought it was beautifully filmed.
- 1:06Jeff Ornstein: I wasn't able to watch all of it to see the whole story, but it's definitely got a quite a lot of acclaim.
- 1:12Jeff Ornstein: Can you share a little bit about that with us?
- 1:15Judi Beecher: Well, the title now was changed from Tango Shalom to Forbidden Tango.
- 1:19Jeff Ornstein: Ah, interesting.
- 1:21Judi Beecher: Yeah, it's a really beautiful story about a Hasidic rabbi who is having financial issues and he has a big family.
- 1:28Judi Beecher: I play his wife, his Hasidic wife in the film with five kids.
- 1:33Judi Beecher: And he doesn't know what to do.
- 1:36Judi Beecher: So because he's losing his Hebrew school, he doesn't have enough money.
- 1:39Judi Beecher: So he prays to God for help.
- 1:42Judi Beecher: And in a dream, God comes and tells him he has to enter a televised dance competition to resolve his financial issues.
- 1:50Judi Beecher: But the problem is he can't touch a woman who's not his wife in the religion.
- 1:55Judi Beecher: So he doesn't know what to do.
- 1:57Judi Beecher: So he goes to all the other religions to ask for help.
- 2:01Judi Beecher: And they all come together to help him.
- 2:03Judi Beecher: And it's this such a sweet, feel-good dance, family dance comedy that has a very strong message of interfaith tolerance and friendship among religions and cultures, and which I feel is so important today.
- 2:23Jeff Ornstein: Yeah, very relevant to today, what we're facing.
- 2:26Judi Beecher: Yeah.
- 2:26Judi Beecher: And that's why I got in, that's why I got involved with the film because I just loved when I first read it, I loved the message of peace and tolerance and kindness.
- 2:38Jeff Ornstein: Where did you find the script?
- 2:39Jeff Ornstein: How did that come to you?
- 2:40Judi Beecher: So I was cast in the film, and then I became a producer afterwards because I just loved, I loved it so much.
- 2:47Judi Beecher: I really wanted to do as much as I could to help make it a success.
- 2:51Judi Beecher: So yeah, I auditioned and was cast in it.
- 2:55Jeff Ornstein: Well, congratulations.
- 2:56Jeff Ornstein: I definitely saw you.
- 2:58Jeff Ornstein: And I know what I'm going to do tonight.
- 2:59Jeff Ornstein: I'm going to go back and fill in the pieces of what I hadn't seen.
- 3:01Jeff Ornstein: But it was as I suspected.
- 3:03Jeff Ornstein: It seemed beautiful and touching.
- 3:05Jeff Ornstein: And now that I know there's a comedic element, I love it.
- 3:08Judi Beecher: I absolutely as well is that the film was made by two families.
- 3:13Judi Beecher: It's about a family, and it was made by two families, the Lenyato brothers who co-wrote it.
- 3:19Judi Beecher: And Renee Taylor, Joe Bologna, and Gabe Bologna was the other family.
- 3:25Judi Beecher: They all came together, co-wrote it, and Renee and Joe were married, and Gabe, their son, directed it.
- 3:31Judi Beecher: So it was a really it was all about family.
- 3:34Jeff Ornstein: Is the 13th tribe of Israel, the Bolognas?
- 3:38Judi Beecher: Exactly.
- 3:40Jeff Ornstein: Okay.
- 3:40Jeff Ornstein: So, but other really impressive work that you've been involved with is Run Runya, which is tied to your family's personal history.
- 3:49Jeff Ornstein: So you've got a family thing going on and the things that's important to you as an artist.
- 3:54Jeff Ornstein: What had that project taught you about memory, resilience, and kindness?
- 3:59Judi Beecher: Well, first of all, I just want to tell you a little bit what it is.
- 4:02Judi Beecher: Run Runya is a documentary.
- 4:05Judi Beecher: It's a documentary with reenactments.
- 4:08Judi Beecher: And I am I'm in post-production on it.
- 4:10Judi Beecher: It's not finished yet.
- 4:11Judi Beecher: I've been working on it for a long time.
- 4:14Judi Beecher: And we're getting to the end right now, where actually my editor's sitting here next to me as we speak, but you can't see him.
- 4:20Judi Beecher: And it's about my mother, Runya, who at six and a half years old escaped by herself from Nazi-occupied France to Switzerland across the border, and my grandparents and how they their journey and their escape.
- 4:39Judi Beecher: Because I recorded my grandfather when I was very young, and I have his story on tape, and he narrates his part of the story, and my mother narrates hers.
- 4:52Judi Beecher: We go back to all the countries that he speaks about in his tape with my mother.
- 4:58Judi Beecher: It's a story of three generations and about trauma and what happens when to a child when she's separated from her parents and how she carries that throughout her whole life.
- 5:10Judi Beecher: The healing from what it takes to heal from that, because it's going on today.
- 5:14Judi Beecher: Child separations are happening now.
- 5:16Judi Beecher: And with all the projects, everything that I'm doing, it's really stressing the importance of people being kind to one another and just people having compassion for each other, because one little small act of kindness and compassion from someone to another person could save their life.
- 5:36Judi Beecher: It could make all the difference in someone, even a smile at someone who's having a bad day who maybe was going to go kill themselves.
- 5:42Judi Beecher: You never know.
- 5:43Judi Beecher: That human connection, that human kindness, and seeing someone as a brother rather than as someone who's generalizing because there's too much generalization that's happening right now.
- 5:58Judi Beecher: Everybody's like this.
- 5:59Judi Beecher: All of those people are like that.
- 6:02Judi Beecher: These people are the reason for all these problems.
- 6:04Judi Beecher: And instead of having this black and white thinking, really just being loving and kind to people and giving people maybe that will heal things, maybe that will heal the planet by being kind.
- 6:18Jeff Ornstein: Right.
- 6:18Jeff Ornstein: Well, I think certainly I think no one could deny that empathy has not been at the forefront of society for the last 20 or 30 years and seems to be further than ever from people's minds.
- 6:31Jeff Ornstein: So maybe like a film like yours can make people stop, think, and redirect.
- 6:37Jeff Ornstein: I think that's fantastic.
- 6:38Jeff Ornstein: When are you hoping to complete that?
- 6:41Judi Beecher: Do you have an idea and where you might, where the listeners might be able to see this or well, it's not complete where we have a rough cut right now.
- 6:49Judi Beecher: So we still have to do sound and color and scoring and titling and all those lovely things.
- 6:55Judi Beecher: And then after that, we will have some test screenings and then we will go out to film festivals and then distribution.
- 7:04Judi Beecher: And I'd like to premiere it, have a theatrical premiere and then go into streaming.
- 7:08Judi Beecher: So we're a little bit early for that.
- 7:10Judi Beecher: We're almost there.
- 7:11Judi Beecher: We're almost there, but we're a little early.
- 7:13Judi Beecher: I can't tell you yet where it's going to be and where they can see it, but people can follow along and follow me on social media, and they will know right away when we get when that happens.
- 7:23Jeff Ornstein: Okay, cool.
- 7:24Jeff Ornstein: Well, I definitely think people should make a note of that.
- 7:28Judi Beecher: And it's called Run Runya, the kindness of strangers.
- 7:32Jeff Ornstein: Run run you, the kindness of strangers.
- 7:34Jeff Ornstein: Okay, that certainly drives a message home.
- 7:37Jeff Ornstein: So, Judy, in addition to your theatrical endeavors, I understand you're writing a book.
- 7:42Jeff Ornstein: Can you share a little bit about that?
- 7:45Judi Beecher: It's called right now, the working title is Pray, Meditate, Write, The Teaching of Zolis.
- 7:50Judi Beecher: And it's a book about it was I was going through a difficult period in my life, and I was instructed to pray, meditate, and write by someone.
- 8:03Judi Beecher: I was just trying, I was trying to get more work.
- 8:04Judi Beecher: I was trying to up my career and get to the next level, and I was feeling down about it.
- 8:10Judi Beecher: And the only advice that people gave me was pray, meditate, write.
- 8:15Judi Beecher: And I was like really pissed off.
- 8:17Judi Beecher: I was like, can't you just tell me who to call or a book to read or some action I can take?
- 8:24Judi Beecher: And I was just mad.
- 8:27Judi Beecher: And they said I had to give every concept of what I thought about myself and be willing to ask for God's will for me.
- 8:35Judi Beecher: And they said I had no concept of God either.
- 8:38Judi Beecher: They told me I was basically lost, you know, and I had to ask God for God's will.
- 8:43Judi Beecher: And if I wasn't supposed to be an actor, then that's what I I had to listen to whatever I got.
- 8:49Judi Beecher: And I was really angry.
- 8:51Judi Beecher: And but I did it.
- 8:52Judi Beecher: I got on my hands and knees and I did it.
- 8:54Judi Beecher: And I was hysterically crying.
- 8:56Judi Beecher: And the next thing you know, I felt this light on me, and it filled the whole room, and I was in a dark room.
- 9:03Judi Beecher: And I saw my life before me on a screen, like as what as if I was watching a movie, and it was like, you know, what they teach you to do in visualization?
- 9:15Judi Beecher: It was that.
- 9:16Judi Beecher: I could smell it, I could taste it, I could touch it, I was there, and I was winning an Academy Award.
- 9:22Judi Beecher: And I was told that yes, I was supposed to be an actor and many other things, and I was supposed to be an activist, and I was supposed to be doing projects that were going to better the planet.
- 9:35Judi Beecher: And in my speech, I got up there and I said, you know what?
- 9:38Judi Beecher: I am up here because I didn't give up, because I persevered, and we need to do something to change the consciousness of this planet.
- 9:51Judi Beecher: This is a powerful business, and we need to do something.
- 9:55Judi Beecher: And everyone in the audience was crying, and I was crying, and I got off the stage.
- 10:00Judi Beecher: And from that moment on, I had just bought a journal and I opened this journal up and I put my pen down and I just like started writing like crazy automatically.
- 10:12Judi Beecher: I had no idea what I was writing.
- 10:14Judi Beecher: And I ended up writing five books of channeled information, which basically was advice to the planet.
- 10:23Judi Beecher: Advice.
- 10:24Judi Beecher: It was called called Zolus, how to live your life in a spiritual way and have spiritual success.
- 10:32Judi Beecher: And I for three years I was just writing, I became almost psychic, which I was never.
- 10:39Judi Beecher: And so this book, Prayer Meditate, Writes, is my journey of what happened to me, how it happened, what was going on in my life during that time, which I had to go back and recreate because I all I was writing was just writing.
- 10:51Judi Beecher: And during the time I was traveling around the world and navigating two bad relationships and not listening to the advice I was getting.
- 11:00Judi Beecher: I was just writing it.
- 11:01Judi Beecher: And now I do.
- 11:03Judi Beecher: I went back.
- 11:04Judi Beecher: There was like exercises to do.
- 11:06Judi Beecher: It was things on how to really like live your life in a free way to just like get rid of all that stuff that doesn't serve you anymore.
- 11:16Judi Beecher: So that's what the book is.
- 11:17Judi Beecher: So it's kind of a fun journey, and you're getting this cool information.
- 11:21Jeff Ornstein: Yeah.
- 11:22Jeff Ornstein: So there's no doubt that the times in which we live have lost a lot of respect for nature, the earth, in respect for one another.
- 11:34Jeff Ornstein: Are there people that inspire you in the industry where you think these are folks whose voices and talents and skills are gonna make a difference and you would aspire to be like them?
- 11:47Judi Beecher: Meryl Streep always inspires me.
- 11:49Judi Beecher: And Sharon Stone, too.
- 11:51Judi Beecher: Actually, I just met her recently in Cannes.
- 11:53Judi Beecher: I was at the Cannes Film Festival.
- 11:54Judi Beecher: But Merrill inspires me because she is such a versatile actor, actress.
- 12:02Judi Beecher: And I consider myself to be because I speak multiple languages and I'm always I'm a care I'm like a leading lady character actor.
- 12:10Judi Beecher: They get a mil a million different types of roles.
- 12:13Judi Beecher: And I love watching Merrill and the specificity in her performances in every moment.
- 12:21Judi Beecher: It's just I'm riveted.
- 12:23Judi Beecher: And also that she speaks up.
- 12:26Judi Beecher: She speaks up for what she believes.
- 12:28Judi Beecher: And like her and Barbara Streisand, I just love that.
- 12:33Judi Beecher: And Sharon Stone, she spoke at an event that I went to, and I think it was the most powerful speech I have ever heard.
- 12:41Judi Beecher: It was at the Better World Fund.
- 12:43Judi Beecher: And she just she's about healing the planet.
- 12:46Judi Beecher: And she spoke and she did an exercise with the people at the event to heal their.
- 12:51Judi Beecher: Some people couldn't take it.
- 12:53Judi Beecher: Some people, it was too much for them.
- 12:54Judi Beecher: I was sitting next to and around people who just were like, oh my God, this woo-woo stuff.
- 13:00Judi Beecher: But but I it I think it's really beautiful because not everybody's gonna get everything, and people are on their own journey and they have their own timelines and time periods, and we all have different thoughts and different about many different things.
- 13:16Judi Beecher: The world's very divisive right now, and we need to come together and understand each other and maybe look at different perspectives.
- 13:24Judi Beecher: And I think, yeah, that's what she did in her speech.
- 13:27Judi Beecher: It was beautiful.
- 13:28Jeff Ornstein: I know that she is she adopted a child, correct?
- 13:31Judi Beecher: Yes, I believe.
- 13:32Jeff Ornstein: I think so.
- 13:32Jeff Ornstein: I mean, that automatically tells you the kind of heart, a person who opens up their home to the parentless, what greater gift can you give?
- 13:40Jeff Ornstein: But when it comes to Meryl Streep and Barbara Streisand, I mean it's sort of hard to argue with these two powerhouse women who have mastered skills that are so impressive.
- 13:51Jeff Ornstein: And you know what?
- 13:52Jeff Ornstein: They're entitled to speak out.
- 13:54Jeff Ornstein: Yeah, they've made it to the top of their heap.
- 13:57Judi Beecher: But I think that even if you aren't at the top, I think it's important to speak out.
- 14:04Judi Beecher: Yeah.
- 14:05Jeff Ornstein: Yeah.
- 14:05Jeff Ornstein: Yeah.
- 14:06Judi Beecher: When you see something that's not right and not be afraid.
- 14:10Jeff Ornstein: Sure.
- 14:10Jeff Ornstein: No, absolutely.
- 14:11Jeff Ornstein: And hopefully, you know what?
- 14:13Jeff Ornstein: As many people hear you and listen to you, get it, that you're speaking out for a purpose.
- 14:18Jeff Ornstein: Your career has you had you working and busy in New York and in Los Angeles and in Paris.
- 14:24Jeff Ornstein: That sounds like a dream career.
- 14:26Jeff Ornstein: How did you get the diversity of like heartbeats and locations for you to perform?
- 14:32Judi Beecher: Well, I was always obsessed with France when not always, when I was a teenager, became obsessed with brands that I had to live there.
- 14:40Judi Beecher: So I've at first modeled in France when I after right after school, and I came back as an actress after, and I've lived in all three places.
- 14:50Judi Beecher: I'm a New Yorker, but I moved to LA and then I couldn't decide where I just I love being in France.
- 14:57Judi Beecher: I speak fluent French and I speak fluent Italian and I love French films.
- 15:02Judi Beecher: I'm like the opposite actress.
- 15:04Judi Beecher: You know, most French actors want to come to the U.S.
- 15:08Judi Beecher: And I'm like, I want to act in French films.
- 15:10Judi Beecher: I I love it.
- 15:11Judi Beecher: I just love it.
- 15:12Judi Beecher: I love any opportunity to act.
- 15:14Judi Beecher: It just makes me it makes my heart sing to be able to act.
- 15:18Jeff Ornstein: And that's what our guests say.
- 15:20Jeff Ornstein: I mean, this is if you have this passion, nothing can dissuade you from doing it when you're gonna meet every challenge head on because it's not easy.
- 15:30Jeff Ornstein: It's not for the faint of the heart.
- 15:32Judi Beecher: It is not easy at all.
- 15:35Judi Beecher: And it's funny because I didn't just go there.
- 15:36Judi Beecher: Oh, I'm gonna just go to LA and act and go to there and act.
- 15:40Judi Beecher: And it's it was hard.
- 15:42Judi Beecher: It was a really hard journey.
- 15:44Judi Beecher: And you just gotta keep persevering until you get something, and it's action and releasing the nose and all that stuff.
- 15:52Jeff Ornstein: So you were in, I've seen on your resume that you were in taken three, and I don't know any guy that doesn't think Liam is just the best good, bad guy.
- 16:03Jeff Ornstein: So, what was working on that film?
- 16:05Jeff Ornstein: Like, and did your character interface with Liam and what how'd that all happen or go down?
- 16:10Judi Beecher: Well, I also I was cast in France on that.
- 16:13Judi Beecher: No, I wasn't, I played the wife, I was in the beginning of the film, but I watched many scenes with Liam, and what I got from him and his was his presence.
- 16:26Judi Beecher: And even in like little teeny scenes where he was just getting out of the car when walking around the in a garage, his presence was palpable.
- 16:38Judi Beecher: I just couldn't stop looking and watching him.
- 16:42Judi Beecher: And I think it's also that really that attention to details because no moment was too small.
- 16:50Judi Beecher: He knew what his objectives were, he knew what his actions were, he knew exactly every moment what was going on.
- 16:58Judi Beecher: So that was just I loved watching him, and I got so much, I learned so much as an actor of just working with him and watching him.
- 17:06Jeff Ornstein: How fantastic.
- 17:08Jeff Ornstein: So we've talked about film, but we haven't talked about your work on heavy rain, which I understand became one of the most celebrated performances in gaming history, and that's a mantle a lot of people would like to own.
- 17:21Jeff Ornstein: So, did you know at the time that this project was gonna have such a lasting impact and be so powerful?
- 17:28Judi Beecher: I had never worked on a video game before.
- 17:30Judi Beecher: I was just my my agent called me and do you want to do this audition?
- 17:34Judi Beecher: And it was actually the hardest job I've ever had.
- 17:39Judi Beecher: It was 120 pages of memorized dialogue that I had to perform like a theater piece in a room with captors all over my face, acting by myself.
- 17:52Judi Beecher: And every scene had five endings to it.
- 17:55Judi Beecher: So I and the director was in a booth to my left.
- 18:00Judi Beecher: So I was acting with no one.
- 18:02Judi Beecher: I couldn't look down, so everything had to be memorized, and I had to know every every scene.
- 18:07Judi Beecher: And I was just like, God, if I can do this, I can do anything.
- 18:10Judi Beecher: You know, I love a challenge.
- 18:14Jeff Ornstein: That's that that sounds really hard.
- 18:16Judi Beecher: It was really hard, it was really fun, and yeah, so I like challenges, bring it on.
- 18:25Judi Beecher: I can see that.
- 18:26Judi Beecher: So no, I didn't know at the time anything what it was gonna do, what it was be gonna become of it, and yeah.
- 18:34Jeff Ornstein: So I can't not address that.
- 18:36Jeff Ornstein: My producers also shared that you started singing alongside the gypsy kings.
- 18:43Judi Beecher: Well, as I told right after school, I just when I graduated, I went and I actually was busking.
- 18:51Judi Beecher: I decided I wanted to like travel and I was modeling in Italy, and a group of us, like three of us, decided we're gonna go and travel across south of France into Spain, and we met the Gypsy Kings and we performed alongside of them.
- 19:07Judi Beecher: So, yeah.
- 19:08Jeff Ornstein: So what's very clear, Judy, is that you have an immense capacity for freedom and exploration and courage, and you're not afraid to fall if shit happened, but you're gonna go for it at every turn.
- 19:23Jeff Ornstein: From your perspective, what advice might you give to someone who's considering a second act or next act and might say, I have a passion for filmmaking or writing or acting?
- 19:35Jeff Ornstein: How do you give someone that spark that seems like so inherent in your personality?
- 19:41Judi Beecher: Well, it's funny because originally I was always doing stuff like this in my childhood, but I didn't do it right away.
- 19:47Judi Beecher: I went into banking for a very short amount of time.
- 19:51Judi Beecher: I hated it so much.
- 19:53Judi Beecher: I really hated it.
- 19:54Judi Beecher: But I did this book called What Color is your parachute?
- 19:58Judi Beecher: And it was like it made you like look at all the things that you loved.
- 20:01Judi Beecher: It's still in print now, and everything for me pointed to acting and directing and writing and singing, and so knowing what makes your heart sing and doing what you love and not to be afraid, because people a lot of people are perfectionists and they won't do something until it's absolutely right.
- 20:24Judi Beecher: But it's just taking the first step to do something different and do something that you love and having the courage.
- 20:30Judi Beecher: It's having the courage to what is it, feel the fear and do it anyway.
- 20:36Jeff Ornstein: Right.
- 20:36Jeff Ornstein: Okay, I do want to ask you right now, so you've got your up to your eyeballs in one run and all the post-production elements to it.
- 20:45Jeff Ornstein: Your book, which is sounds like a work in progress, that you're not gonna know when it's done until it tells you it's done, I guess.
- 20:53Jeff Ornstein: Because every day is a new adventure.
- 20:54Jeff Ornstein: Any other projects that you're working on or you're thinking about working on right now that you can share?
- 21:00Judi Beecher: Yeah, I'm actually acting in a film right now called In Cannes.
- 21:04Judi Beecher: We shot about 30% of it during the Cannes Film Festival because it has a backdrop of the Cannes Film Festival.
- 21:12Judi Beecher: And we're gonna be going to shoot that later on in the fall to finish the film in Cannes.
- 21:19Judi Beecher: So yes.
- 21:21Jeff Ornstein: Am I allowed to ask what your character is like or I'm a producer in the film.
- 21:26Judi Beecher: The big stretch.
- 21:27Judi Beecher: No, yeah, I'm a I'm playing a producer.
- 21:30Jeff Ornstein: Okay.
- 21:31Judi Beecher: Um I'm one of the four leads in it.
- 21:34Jeff Ornstein: Oh wow.
- 21:34Jeff Ornstein: Well, um, I hope all listeners have taken notes, although they can replay this, because you've got a lot on your plate and a lot of things that are coming out that I think could have a real big impact on people.
- 21:45Judi Beecher: I hope so.
- 21:45Judi Beecher: That's my goal and that's my hopes that I don't have kids.
- 21:49Judi Beecher: And I hope that these projects that I'm involved with will be my contribution to making the world a better place.
- 21:58Jeff Ornstein: How wonderful.
- 21:59Jeff Ornstein: Well, I loved speaking with you and meeting you.
- 22:02Jeff Ornstein: I love the tale of wonderlust you have and never say die, and the diversity of the things you attack and obviously do quite well.
- 22:11Judi Beecher: So Oh, and one last thing.
- 22:13Jeff Ornstein: Absolutely.
- 22:15Judi Beecher: Fuck it is my motto.
- 22:17Judi Beecher: When you ask people about doing what they love, and I just say, and being afraid of the voices and the people and whatever, I just say fuck it and don't listen and just do it.
- 22:27Judi Beecher: Go for it.
- 22:28Jeff Ornstein: Right.
- 22:29Jeff Ornstein: To thine own self be true.
- 22:31Jeff Ornstein: All right, Judy.
- 22:33Jeff Ornstein: You've been a delight, a pleasure, and an inspiration.
- 22:36Judi Beecher: Thank you.
- 22:37Jeff Ornstein: All right, have a great day.
- 22:38Jeff Ornstein: Thanks for coming on.
- 22:39Judi Beecher: Thank you.
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