Latest / BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show / Behind the Collection: Steve Contarino’s Automobilia Vintage
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- 0:00Break Fix podcast is all about capturing the living history of people from all
- 0:05over the autos sphere, from wrench, turners, and racers to artists, authors,
- 0:09designers, and everything in between.
- 0:11Our goal is to inspire a new generation of Petrolhead that wonder.
- 0:16How did they get that job or become that person?
- 0:19The Road to Success is paved by all of us because everyone has a story.
- 0:27Tonight we're thrilled to welcome Steve Contarino, founder of Automobilia
- 0:32Vintage, a one of a kind destination for collectors and enthusiasts.
- 0:35Passionate about automotive history and memorabilia from rare, classic
- 0:40car artifacts to vintage racing posters and historic automobilia.
- 0:44Steve has spent years curating a collection that captures the spirits
- 0:48of motorsports across generations.
- 0:50We'll dive into his journey building Automobilia Vintage.
- 0:53The stories behind some of the most remarkable pieces in his collection and
- 0:57what drives his passion for preserving automotive history for fans old and new.
- 1:03Whether you're a seasoned collector or just love the romance of
- 1:06classic cars, this episode is a pit stop you won't wanna miss.
- 1:10And joining us tonight is returning co-host Don Weiberg from Garage Style
- 1:14Magazine, one of the many personalities on the Motor Inc podcast network.
- 1:17So welcome back, Don.
- 1:18Thank you.
- 1:18Thank you, Eric.
- 1:19Good to be here.
- 1:20Thanks very much.
- 1:20And with that, let's officially welcome Steve to break fix.
- 1:23Steve, welcome.
- 1:25Thank you.
- 1:25Thank you.
- 1:26Let's rewind the clock a little bit and talk about your superhero
- 1:29origin story in the automotive world.
- 1:32What inspired you to start Automobilia Vintage and how did your passion
- 1:37for automotive history begin?
- 1:38So the funny thing is, how did my automotive passion begin?
- 1:43You know, I've always been so interested in the automotive industry, how it began.
- 1:49Boy, aren't we back here again with the implementation of technology and
- 1:54what that electric car, so the horse and buggy, there was no way that
- 1:59automobile was gonna make it because everybody's gonna be riding horses
- 2:03forever and yeah, it's just gonna be a flash in the pan and it'll be gone.
- 2:07I like the little bits of history.
- 2:10So I've loved all things mechanical and automobile related.
- 2:15I remember one time I ran up to a car that was at a high end auction and I
- 2:20said, why would there be a Model T here?
- 2:23And my friend said, bottle T. Well, where do you see what that goes for?
- 2:27Why?
- 2:27Why?
- 2:28What's so special about a red bottle?
- 2:29TI said, because it's red.
- 2:32And he said, that's not a model T, that's a model K. And I said, okay, tell me.
- 2:37Well, Henry Ford went bankrupt twice before he was actually successful.
- 2:42And that may have been three years, I'm not sure.
- 2:43But just the history of that.
- 2:45Who knew?
- 2:46Well, you also have an interesting background, or we'll call it career
- 2:50in the automotive industries.
- 2:51Little Birdie told me you were involved not only with police
- 2:55cars, but with Checker cab.
- 2:56Yeah.
- 2:57Both being involved with Ford, Dodge, and Chevrolet, and then even a few of
- 3:03the companies who've actually come and gone in law enforcement, Tesla, they were
- 3:08in, they're out, they're back in again.
- 3:11Fisca actually dipped their foot in for a little while before the
- 3:15end, but there's been a lot of companies that have come and gone.
- 3:19You know, I've always followed automotive design and why do they do that?
- 3:23Why do they do that?
- 3:24Why do they make it this way?
- 3:25Why is it that way?
- 3:27You know, I've been to many automobile factories and I've always been so
- 3:32impressed by them taking pieces and parts.
- 3:36Driving it out the other end.
- 3:38I, I never knew that most of these manufacturers, they don't even own what
- 3:43we call automobiles or if you're from the New England area, cars, their assembly.
- 3:48And I didn't know that.
- 3:50I said, well, wait a minute.
- 3:51What's an assembly?
- 3:53Well, assembly is an automobile, but it has not gone over
- 3:58that threshold to be sold.
- 4:00So before it's sold, it's called an assembly.
- 4:02It's been done for years, decades, forever, and ever.
- 4:06And a lot of your followers probably don't even realize this.
- 4:10One of America's largest automobile manufacturers is located in
- 4:15Massachusetts, still to this day.
- 4:19It's a company called Factory Five.
- 4:21They make a lot of different models.
- 4:23They're incredible.
- 4:24They make automobiles, but they don't put engines in, so they make assemblies.
- 4:31You know, I was so interested in that type of thing.
- 4:34I said, I wanna do it.
- 4:36I wanna make an automobile.
- 4:38I like this checker automobile, but I, I just wanna own it.
- 4:41I don't know why I restore them.
- 4:44I have them.
- 4:45I'm gonna own it.
- 4:46I got all the intellectual property and patents and anything that was available.
- 4:51Making an automobile was very, very difficult and expensive.
- 4:56It's billions, but legislation passed that you could build what
- 5:02was called replica automobiles.
- 5:04Not knowing that this legislation was coming along and, and.
- 5:08Poof.
- 5:09You can make a small amount of automobiles and be successful just
- 5:14buying pieces and parts here and there, and body being the most difficult.
- 5:19Everything besides the body is easy breezy, but the bodies
- 5:24were the most difficult thing.
- 5:26And we had found some companies that actually make Camaro Mustang
- 5:32Bronco bodies, and we just said, Hey, what about a checking body?
- 5:35And they were on board.
- 5:37So even the most difficult thing was not that difficult.
- 5:41Putting it all together was not that difficult Meeting National
- 5:46highway transportation safety requirement, not that difficult.
- 5:51EPA came along.
- 5:52It wasn't that difficult until EPA decided gasoline powered engines were gonna be
- 5:57something that would make impossible.
- 5:59But anyway, that's why it, it stopped where it did.
- 6:02California Air Resources Bureau said, let us think about it.
- 6:07Came back with a roadblock.
- 6:08That roadblock essentially ended the legislation that allowed the ability
- 6:14to make a gasoline powered automobile.
- 6:17So it all went crashing to an end.
- 6:20And to this day, everything is still in neutral.
- 6:23There's still some companies who were trying to t trudge forward, but
- 6:27right now there's legislation, you can do it, but you can't power it.
- 6:31But putting an engine in the chassis in that vehicle is what creates what's
- 6:37called the requirement to be EPA in California Air Resources Bureau.
- 6:42And that's the stumbling point.
- 6:44So right now, it's impossible to meet with any engine and transmission
- 6:49combination that's available.
- 6:51So I shouldn't say impossible, just extremely expensive.
- 6:55It's just not gonna happen.
- 6:56During your career, during your journey, you collected an entire
- 7:00car company, but then you've morphed this into collecting things from
- 7:04the automotive industry as well.
- 7:06So the birth of Automobilia vintage.
- 7:08Why don't we switch gears and kind of talk about that.
- 7:10Where did that come from?
- 7:11That's elementary.
- 7:12If you have a hundred cars, which I did checkers, it was
- 7:16Restoration Park, whatever you needed, we had it ready to go.
- 7:20Took up a lot of space, took up a lot of labor, took up a huge amount of
- 7:25money, and I said, Hey, wait a second.
- 7:27I could still do this.
- 7:29And I could get items that are not so big and don't take up so much room.
- 7:33Boy, if I love them, somebody else loves them, so I can love 'em for a little while
- 7:38and turn them onto the next caretaker.
- 7:41So it's like.
- 7:43Automobiles but smaller.
- 7:45I've got quarter scale models.
- 7:47I've got all different size clay models from all the manufacturers.
- 7:52So it's just a way of being involved in the automotive industry, collecting
- 7:57automobiles, but in a smaller way.
- 8:00And it, it's fun.
- 8:01It's a lot of fun.
- 8:02Steve, I'm gonna guess you've been collecting for a lot
- 8:04longer than Automobile Vintage.
- 8:06Has been in business, been collecting since you were a kid, or how
- 8:10long have you been collecting?
- 8:11I still have things from my young age.
- 8:15You know, I would say back to when I was teen 15, 14, I mean, I was working at 13.
- 8:21The things I, I would always collect were kind of always automotive related.
- 8:27You know, I worked at a towing service.
- 8:29I worked in all kind of industries that brought me near something
- 8:33related to the auto industry.
- 8:35My wife and I started Adamson Industries.
- 8:38I was 23, you know, when she was 20.
- 8:42We were kids.
- 8:43The things that I saw throughout my career, I collected.
- 8:47It wasn't big, but it grew and grew, grew, grew and, and today, yeah, it's
- 8:52a thing called automobile Vintage.
- 8:55Okay.
- 8:55So how do you go about finding rare automobilia?
- 8:58Is there something you do specifically to find what you want, what you like?
- 9:04Is there something, is there some criterion that turns Steve on that
- 9:08says, oh, oh, I've gotta have that?
- 9:10Or is it just you're walking down an aisle at a swap meet, you see something,
- 9:14you think, oh man, I gotta have that.
- 9:15You don't even know what it is.
- 9:16You never expected to find it.
- 9:17What is it?
- 9:18How do you go about finding rare stuff?
- 9:20It's like.
- 9:21A lot of car collectors will say, and it, you probably heard this before, the
- 9:25majority of it finds me the rest of it.
- 9:29I'm always searching for, there's shows and there's books about finding that
- 9:35barn find, finding that hidden treasure.
- 9:38Mm-hmm.
- 9:38I'm the same way, but I had to dial it back a little bit and
- 9:42automobiles were something that, it took up a lot of the space.
- 9:47I mean, the scope of Adamson Industries.
- 9:49Okay.
- 9:49Just for example, when I had 100 checkers.
- 9:53It was taken the space of 100 cars.
- 9:57Adamson in his shoes on any given day had 300 cars on the ground.
- 10:01Oh, wow.
- 10:02You can imagine what it's like when you have 400 cars, but now you have 300 cars.
- 10:09It's big.
- 10:09It's a lot.
- 10:10Especially when you are in an area where December-ish
- 10:15things start changing quickly.
- 10:18When it snows, it's tough.
- 10:20So you think about, you know, that amount of vehicles and trying to keep
- 10:24it so that they're not frozen in time.
- 10:26That's a monumental task.
- 10:28Cutting down a hundred cars, it wasn't such a hard decision.
- 10:32It hurt my heart.
- 10:34I know a lot of enthusiasts thought it wasn't the right thing to do.
- 10:38You know, I, I did take a, a lot of negative publicity about how
- 10:43I had no care for these cars.
- 10:46But I sit here today and I could have a hundred of these small cars and
- 10:50they don't take up much room and I can keep 'em under a roof where it doesn't
- 10:55snow on them, and I can manage that.
- 10:58It's much easier and much simpler, but it's just as rewarding.
- 11:03It really is enjoyable.
- 11:05Alright, so tell us the story behind finding one of your favorite or your
- 11:09most unique items in your collection.
- 11:12I'm passionate.
- 11:13I really, really am.
- 11:14I look for a lot of things.
- 11:17Some days there are days where I go, well, you know something that
- 11:20could be my favorite, or, no, that's my favorite, or that's my favorite.
- 11:24But I find these things that get closest to my heart just like anybody else.
- 11:30You're not supposed to have that.
- 11:32So I have a few Mercedes design studies, and those Mercedes design studies
- 11:39were of things like a doom buggy.
- 11:42Mercedes never wanted to get let out that they were even thinking
- 11:47about making a dune buggy.
- 11:49So I've got these dune buggies, clay models in three different
- 11:55versions of a beach type car.
- 11:58And that's what makes me passionate.
- 12:01That's what makes my blood boil, because they're things you're
- 12:05just not supposed to have.
- 12:06And why are you not supposed to have them?
- 12:08Well, back then, I mean, these aren't 20, 25 models.
- 12:13These are clay models from the eighties vintage, so you know, it's passed the bang
- 12:19on the door from the legal department.
- 12:21But to think that somebody somehow carried them out of there, smuggled
- 12:26them out of there, who knows?
- 12:28Don't know.
- 12:29It's like a concept car.
- 12:31They're all supposed to be crushed, but yet a lot seemed to appear.
- 12:35So that's exactly the things I love the most are things that you're
- 12:39not supposed to have that I have this quarter scale Ford model.
- 12:44I got a phone call.
- 12:46Hey, I, I know you're interested in these quarter scale models.
- 12:49I, I'm in a bind.
- 12:50I said, you are in a bind.
- 12:51What's the bind?
- 12:52I need this gone within two days.
- 12:54My office has been closed down in Sterling Heights, Michigan.
- 12:58I worked for Ford.
- 13:00Can't tell you any more than that.
- 13:01You want picked up, meet me at the corner of such I, I said I, I'm in
- 13:05Massachusetts, I'm in New Hampshire.
- 13:06I'm on East Coast.
- 13:08Well, that's the only way you're gonna get it.
- 13:10I had a call, a friend of mine meet this guy at the corner of such and such.
- 13:14He's going to hand you this big quarter scale model.
- 13:18Don't think I'm nuts.
- 13:19It's a baby car that he's like, what?
- 13:21I said a baby car.
- 13:23It's a quarter scale model.
- 13:25It was just amazing that that thing existed.
- 13:29It's amazing that that thing made it past the security gates or however, and
- 13:35this is a little later model, this one's probably from the, the later nineties.
- 13:40So it's, it's that stuff that's just amazing that it
- 13:44exists and you know, every day.
- 13:48They're thrown into crushers or dumpsters or however they destroy it.
- 13:53And it happens.
- 13:55So it's, it's like anything.
- 13:56A few squeak out, but the majority don't.
- 13:59It's interesting, Steve, that you mention that, 'cause Don has exposed me to some
- 14:03really unique pieces over the years.
- 14:06Like, Hey, I met the designer of this thing and he had the prototype of this
- 14:09wheel, or this component or this thing, and those little nuggets, those little
- 14:13hidden gems are always fascinating.
- 14:15Those lesser known histories of these objects and these things that later came
- 14:19to production that we take for granted.
- 14:21And so I wonder in your journey.
- 14:23In this case, you talked about going there and knowing exactly
- 14:26what you're getting, right?
- 14:27This thing's coming off the back of the truck.
- 14:29But was there ever an instance where in your journey and your collecting
- 14:33where somebody presented you with a box and until you actually went through
- 14:37it, maybe you put it to the side that something popped out and you're
- 14:39like, oh my God, this was in the box.
- 14:41Did they make a mistake?
- 14:43Is there anything that's ever surprised or shocked you?
- 14:45Happens all the time, especially when someone who's passionate has a collection.
- 14:51Unfortunately, they don't always make arrangements for what would happen
- 14:55if something happens, you know?
- 14:57And that's something being either an illness or a death or something.
- 15:03I'll give you an example.
- 15:04I, I'm always looking for something.
- 15:06I'm on this auction site, train auction, like toy trains.
- 15:11I look and I go, wait a minute.
- 15:13That's not a toy train, that's a real train.
- 15:15Real crossing gates.
- 15:17I couldn't believe that there was such a, a following who would
- 15:20collect all this train stuff.
- 15:22So I started looking at it and you know, I said, wow, okay.
- 15:26And then I kept checking back 'cause I was kind of interested.
- 15:29I said, you know, trains, planes, automobiles, right?
- 15:32So kept looking.
- 15:34All of a sudden this auction company pops up with 20 lots of Gordon Buring mobilia,
- 15:42including clay model of a concept.
- 15:47He had to do a mobile office.
- 15:50When you wanna do something with a client, we don't want the client
- 15:53to come to our office, we're gonna bring our office to the client.
- 15:57He had the start process.
- 15:59He was gonna make this mobile office.
- 16:00Now this is long after you know the Auburn and designing all the cars.
- 16:06And this was later in his career.
- 16:08And that's an idea he came up with.
- 16:11And when I found that stuff, I was like.
- 16:13How does that have anything to do with trade?
- 16:15Well, good.
- 16:16Buring liked trains.
- 16:17Okay.
- 16:19This widow sold everything with the trains and this auction company had the trains.
- 16:25It's amazing, and not only does it then include that, it
- 16:29includes some fiberglass cars.
- 16:32We make it based on Corvettes.
- 16:34He made like three or four of these neoclassic Corvettes, all kind of
- 16:40documents, pictures, literature, cases, and cases of these leather bound.
- 16:47He in made prospectus that you would hear into somebody if you
- 16:52wanted them to back you financially or a dealership or something.
- 16:56That stuff is just amazing and that it existed, that I found it
- 17:01at a training auction and that it's available now because I've had it.
- 17:06Now I share it.
- 17:07So what I say is I love it.
- 17:10I love the fact of what it is, but there's gonna be somebody
- 17:13who's gonna love the Gordon Buring connection and it's available.
- 17:18So I have that.
- 17:19And then I have all kind of automotive related items that have a story.
- 17:25And remember, everybody always says it's not about what it is, it's the story.
- 17:30Where did it come from?
- 17:32Why is it unique?
- 17:33And almost to a negative, I list as much information as I can.
- 17:38And I talk about not only the item, but why, where it's from, what it is,
- 17:43what it's made of, why it was made.
- 17:45And so much of it, it's all rich with automotive history.
- 17:49It's all very, very exciting to me.
- 17:53It just, I enjoy it very much.
- 17:55And Steve, you have all these items from that train auction.
- 17:58I do.
- 17:59And I was very successful.
- 18:01On 20 of 20.
- 18:03Wow.
- 18:04No, I mean it was out of place.
- 18:06It shouldn't have been there.
- 18:07And I see that a lot.
- 18:09Is that a case of people not knowing what they have or is it just
- 18:13wanting to get rid of it quickly?
- 18:14What do you think the method is behind that?
- 18:17All of the above.
- 18:18I think that auction companies, a lot of times, unless you hit
- 18:22the right one, they're gonna look at the bulk of what you have.
- 18:25They don't look at the individuals of it.
- 18:27If you go to a specialized auction, they'll do the the back work on it.
- 18:32You know, I bought things at auctions and even some of the most
- 18:35well-known automotive auctions, they'll have something on a
- 18:39shelf and they'll say, toy car.
- 18:42I'll say, well, what kind of toy car?
- 18:44We don't know.
- 18:45It's a toy car.
- 18:46We give you some details.
- 18:48It's pretty big.
- 18:49How big?
- 18:50Well, three feet long.
- 18:51I'm like, okay.
- 18:54And in my mind, you know how that slot machine goes, ding, dinging,
- 18:58ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, dinging.
- 19:00So I'm like, there's no three foot long toy cars that are made of clay that
- 19:06I know of, except for concept models.
- 19:10Right?
- 19:10And I've done it and I've seen it and it still happens.
- 19:13All the time.
- 19:15It's a toy car.
- 19:16I mean, I don't know why they didn't do the back work.
- 19:19They're auctioning off a hundred cars and maybe 200 pieces of automobile and that
- 19:24thing just happened to be, I don't know.
- 19:26It's a toy car.
- 19:27It's not a real car.
- 19:28What are we gonna say?
- 19:29Toy car.
- 19:31Okay, so you've mentioned a couple times auction companies and things of that
- 19:34where you're going to select things from your own collection, or you're maybe
- 19:38finding those hidden gems that we've been alluding to, but with the rise of
- 19:42popularity of shows, and some of them have been around for a long time, like
- 19:46the Wolf Brothers on History Channel with American Pickers and things like that.
- 19:50Where do you go pick where are your best finds and what do
- 19:53you recommend for other people?
- 19:55I mean, outside of Automobilia Vintage, they should come to you first, but if they
- 19:58were going to pick, you know, and go look for items, where should they be looking?
- 20:02That's a very difficult question.
- 20:05It doesn't really have a go here answer.
- 20:09You are always gonna have things on eBay that are listed.
- 20:12Toy car, you know, there's a lot of cool stuff on eBay.
- 20:16Unfortunate, it's like everything else.
- 20:18It's like looking through the phone book and trying to find the, a's you know,
- 20:22there's a lot of, A's in that phone book.
- 20:24What's a phone book?
- 20:25Oh my god, I can't believe I said that.
- 20:27A big book dictionary there.
- 20:29There you go through that dictionary and you are looking for the letter as
- 20:33it's just, there's a lot of 'em and you've gotta look and they go, oh, wait
- 20:37a minute, I'm only looking for capital.
- 20:38As that narrows it down quite a lot.
- 20:41So yes, eBay, I mean all different place flea markets.
- 20:46You can find automobilia.
- 20:48Everywhere you could find things related to the auto industry
- 20:52and clay models everywhere.
- 20:55It's just a matter of having the diligence to keep looking and looking
- 21:01and realizing, well wait a minute, this is a concept car one 43rd.
- 21:06Yes, this was, oh, they designed this car and I said, no, it's kind of small.
- 21:11I can't see them bringing that up to the boss's office and say, boss, listen,
- 21:15we designed this little car right here.
- 21:18This is gonna be the car.
- 21:19So you get the opposite too.
- 21:21You know you'll get all these, well, this is a real rare Tesla concept car.
- 21:26So I guess Tesla had this event and you went to this event in
- 21:31exchange for going to this event.
- 21:33They were 3D printing the next.
- 21:37Type of car they were gonna make.
- 21:39As you guys know, the models are S-E-E-X-Y.
- 21:43There are many versions.
- 21:46So the SEXY, they were handed out and they were 3D printed models.
- 21:51But what's happened is they weren't done well enough that
- 21:55somebody couldn't copy 'em.
- 21:57So you gotta make sure you know what you're looking at.
- 22:00And the real Tesla models all had numbers on the bottom of 'em.
- 22:05They were much better done than just somebody 3D printing one
- 22:0924th or slightly larger model.
- 22:12That's what you gotta do.
- 22:13You have to really look and out is like, know what you're looking for.
- 22:18You've got these large auction companies and they've got what
- 22:22they call automobilia experts.
- 22:24That is such a broad statement.
- 22:27I mean, automobilia can be assigned, it could be anything.
- 22:32Are they experts on automotive related collectibles?
- 22:36I get a lot of calls about that.
- 22:38Well, what do you think?
- 22:39And I, I try to help people out the best I can, and also to secure that
- 22:46item so that I can have a chance to own it for a little bit of time.
- 22:51It's really a, a learning experience.
- 22:53And I know there's a lot of companies that sell automobilia and individuals
- 22:59who sell automobilia, but they don't specialize in that, right?
- 23:03From the factory stuff.
- 23:05That's me.
- 23:05I'm I, I want a stuff that comes right out of the factory.
- 23:09I want the stuff that wasn't supposed to leave.
- 23:12Okay.
- 23:13Here's a perfect example.
- 23:14I love hood ornaments.
- 23:16I love mascots.
- 23:17Okay?
- 23:18One day perusing on eBay in England, there's this flying
- 23:24lady, the spirit of ny, the famous mascot that's on a Rolls Royce.
- 23:29This one's root beer, Cullen.
- 23:31And I said, why is there a root beer colored flying lady?
- 23:36So I asked the man about the flying lady, and he replied,
- 23:40he said, that's a prototype.
- 23:42And I said, what do you mean it's a prototype?
- 23:45And he said, well, there was a problem.
- 23:47Rolls Royce couldn't meet the USA pedestrian crash standards with that
- 23:52rigid hood ornament because if they hit a pedestrian, it was like a spear.
- 23:57And this was a prototype.
- 23:59And I said, well, what do you mean it'll shatter?
- 24:01I said, it'll shatter.
- 24:03They said, yep, it's made of a special material and it'll shatter.
- 24:07And I said, well, how do you know that?
- 24:10And he said, 'cause I made it.
- 24:12And I said, you made it?
- 24:14And he said, yes, I did.
- 24:15I was involved.
- 24:16And I said, okay.
- 24:18Would the purchase of that item include your statement?
- 24:22You know all about it.
- 24:24Absolutely.
- 24:25This guy went, nevermind the extra mile.
- 24:29I got a CD of the testing.
- 24:33I got the drawings.
- 24:35I got the drawings of the real one that actually went on the
- 24:40American make How with the spring in it, and I got the whole story.
- 24:45I couldn't believe my eyes.
- 24:47I couldn't believe that that had happened.
- 24:49All it was was a matter of doing a little bit of research, asking a bunch
- 24:53of questions, and seeing something that.
- 24:55It didn't quite look right in getting the right answer,
- 24:59getting the right information that made that item legitimate.
- 25:04There's only one other place that comes to mind that has a collection
- 25:08of concepts and clay models and things like you're mentioning.
- 25:12So I wonder, have you ever dealt with a National Museum of Automotive
- 25:16Design down in the Carolinas?
- 25:17I have not.
- 25:18I've heard of it.
- 25:19It's on my list, but I definitely want to get there and I do know of it.
- 25:23Yeah, I, I actually do, but I have no, I have not had any interaction with them.
- 25:28Can you tell us about a memorable interaction with a fellow
- 25:32collector or an enthusiast that maybe helped shape your journey?
- 25:37You mean a lot of people, and I'm gonna say a name and, and you
- 25:40know him, Don, you know him very well, and his name is Gary Wales.
- 25:44Oh yes.
- 25:45So you know what he did before he was.
- 25:48A mad scientist of the creator of these monstrous automobiles.
- 25:53Right, right.
- 25:54That's amazing.
- 25:55I spent a lot of time talking to him about his experiences and whatnot.
- 26:01And I'm gonna tell you, uh, I met Gary at one of the, uh, garage style garage tours.
- 26:07Now you understand why you use so many voices Because no matter where I turn,
- 26:11I'm getting blamed for everything.
- 26:13You know, here he is blaming me for meeting Barry Whale.
- 26:16It's not my fault.
- 26:17He just happen to be at the same place and I'm getting blamed for it.
- 26:20Mm-hmm.
- 26:21Gary amazes me 'cause he just keeps going his mind.
- 26:25You ever say, boy, I'd love to see the window into that mind.
- 26:29And every time I see his, one of his creations, it's just amazing.
- 26:33But Gary, he's got a lot.
- 26:36Of that automobilia and all those kinds of cool things.
- 26:41But yeah, I, I, I gotta tell you, he's one of the guys, you know, I met Bob
- 26:45Lutts and spent some time talking to him.
- 26:48You bumped into a lot.
- 26:49Really, really do, there's a lot of great automotive icons out there.
- 26:54Tell us a little bit about Jerry.
- 26:56Oh, Jerry.
- 26:57So Jerry was real dear friend Jerry and I met about, God, I wanna say 40 years
- 27:05ago, I had a passion for Rolls Royce's.
- 27:08Jerry was the Rolls Royce aficionado, one of America's top automotive
- 27:15appraisers, collector of all things automotive and encyclopedia of
- 27:21anything to do with automobiles.
- 27:23He's the one who said, that's about okay.
- 27:26And I'm like, oh.
- 27:27It is these conversations that Jerry and I had, they were well into the night.
- 27:34After walking all day, it shows whether it be Hershey or Monterey or Seaman in
- 27:41Las Vegas, Scottsdale, or any of it.
- 27:44I mean, we talk about design.
- 27:47Did you see the, the rear end of that car?
- 27:49Did you notice that way?
- 27:50They painted that so it looked like it was longer, all that type of thing.
- 27:56So Jerry and I, like I said, it was a 40 year run.
- 28:00He was 30 years older than me.
- 28:02I was always accused of being a son, and Jerry would laugh.
- 28:05He was a big collector of, uh, automobile.
- 28:08He only had a few cars.
- 28:10I've always had a few more than him.
- 28:12But Jerry was just a wealth of knowledge, a great cheerleader too.
- 28:18And that's what everybody needs is a cheerleader and a friend
- 28:22to always keep them going.
- 28:24You know, that's one of the things Jerry, he was my cheerleader.
- 28:27As many of our listeners know, Don is the yin to my yang, right?
- 28:31But we both cherish the collecting part of the automotive world, and as people see in
- 28:37the behind the scenes videos, the studio here, I've got racing memorabilia all
- 28:40over the place, but it's very different than classic car memorabilia where
- 28:44people will outfit their garages like you would see on Garage Style Magazine,
- 28:47Hey, I'm a Hudson guy and I bought all the Hudson stuff I could possibly find.
- 28:51Or you know, the Hemi Hideout or whatever it is when they focus in on the
- 28:55cars that they have in their garages.
- 28:56Whereas Motorsport, I think we're more about the driver.
- 28:59It's like, if it's got ton's name on it, I'm probably gonna pick it
- 29:02up and buy it, or you know, have a copy of it or whatever it is.
- 29:05I noticed even behind you, you've got a vintage sign that says auto races
- 29:09today, you know, which was probably part of some dirt track in New England
- 29:13somewhere, you know, that kind of thing.
- 29:14Pointing the spectators to where they needed to go.
- 29:16Let's talk about the balance and the relationship of Automobilia and
- 29:20preserving the history of Motorsport.
- 29:23I think it's really important because, you know, again, being a New Englander,
- 29:28you know, I oftentimes get to go to Newport, and a matter of fact, the
- 29:32Newport Concourse is coming up and you go out to Monterey and it's all
- 29:37about the races, the vintage races.
- 29:39Well, that just happened to be a place where it landed.
- 29:43But you know, you think about going to Newport, Rhode Island, what does that have
- 29:47to do with the automobiles and automobile?
- 29:49Yeah.
- 29:50And all that.
- 29:50It was a stopping point before they created the Cape Cod Canal.
- 29:56You couldn't go to Boston by ship from New York.
- 29:59You had to go to Newport and catch the train from Newport to Boston.
- 30:04Well, Newport became the playground of the rich and famous.
- 30:10That's the Vanderbilt, the Rockefellers.
- 30:12You've heard 'em all.
- 30:13But remember they had to have the firsts, the first automobile, the
- 30:18first of all, and those automobiles in that richness of that area resonates.
- 30:25And why?
- 30:26Well, it got competitive.
- 30:28It wasn't competitive of just, I have a car.
- 30:30You have a car.
- 30:31Then it became racing.
- 30:33And what the Vanderbilt cup.
- 30:34So, you know, you talk about motor sports, it's like.
- 30:38Always evolving.
- 30:39You've got this trend.
- 30:41People wanna follow nasfa, now it's F1, and they do the,
- 30:46uh, the alternative fuels.
- 30:48And then there's vintage racing.
- 30:51It's kind of the foam that comes out from the top of the auto automotive world.
- 30:56Racing and automobiles go side by side.
- 30:59That's just something you can't look over.
- 31:03I mean, there's so many levels of automobilia.
- 31:06You mentioned pickers, and you look at what they go after and they go
- 31:10after such a broad range of items.
- 31:13It's basically anything that's old, don't take that as a, okay.
- 31:17Anything that's old is not exciting.
- 31:19It is.
- 31:20It's just that it's a lot.
- 31:21That now means old everything.
- 31:24Old furniture, old items.
- 31:26Well, the automotive industry.
- 31:29Although it's old, it's not really that old.
- 31:33You look at any of the, uh, the shows that follow early times Boardwalk Empire.
- 31:40Well, the Gilded Age is the new one.
- 31:41Yes, exactly.
- 31:42I was gonna say Gilded Age.
- 31:43But Gilded Age is a spinoff of Bridgeton.
- 31:46So here we are, Bridgeton, they're riding horses and carriages, and
- 31:50then the Guild at age, what happened?
- 31:52They're in New York City.
- 31:54What is that thing?
- 31:55Making all that noise?
- 31:56It's the motor car.
- 31:58There's a lot of people who don't even realize car motor,
- 32:01car, motor, carriage, carriage.
- 32:04It's the evolution.
- 32:06What came with that evolution, we call it motor sports.
- 32:09My horse is faster than your horse goes back to the chariots.
- 32:13Right.
- 32:14Well, okay, let's go back that far.
- 32:15My chariots faster than your chariots, right?
- 32:19That's right.
- 32:19Dave, you do know when the first race took place, right?
- 32:23You heard that story, how the very first motor car race took place.
- 32:27You heard when that happened, right?
- 32:28I did.
- 32:29Yes.
- 32:30Yes.
- 32:30It it happened when the second car was built.
- 32:32That's right.
- 32:34A absolutely.
- 32:35And that's something interesting that Don is foreshadowing.
- 32:39My next question in the sense that I wanted to ask you about the historical
- 32:43significance of some of the pieces.
- 32:45'cause we've been talking about that basically this entire time.
- 32:47And so what's funny is when you're looking at a piece and we're
- 32:50talking about picking, we're talking about, you know, building our
- 32:52collections and things like that.
- 32:53If you and I went to a swap meet together and came across a Hain
- 32:58Valvoline, maybe a Texaco sign, I don't think we would have the same opinion
- 33:02of it because I'm thinking Texaco, Kmart, IndyCar, Mario Andretti, or
- 33:07I'm thinking Valvoline A or Junior.
- 33:09You know, something like that and you're going, well, isn't this a
- 33:11nice porcelain, you know, whatever sign, where is that intersection?
- 33:15How do you create a balance between the stories?
- 33:18Or do you just self-identify with the piece and it means something to you?
- 33:22At the end of the day, different people are gonna look at different
- 33:25items in a different way.
- 33:27You are gonna look at that Hal Lean sign, and you're gonna think about
- 33:31racing and motor sports and what things that are your passionate, I'm gonna
- 33:37look at it and I'm gonna think about, wow, isn't it amazing that they had to
- 33:42come up with a company to create this lubricant and fuel for automobiles.
- 33:47Someone else was gonna look at it and go, wow, I remember seeing that sign when
- 33:51I was a little kid going to fill up my bicycle, you know, the air and the tire.
- 33:56So everybody's gonna see something from a different point of view, and
- 34:00that's what makes us all different.
- 34:02That's what makes us all unique and that's what makes us all able to
- 34:07see things from a different angle.
- 34:09And that's what it comes down to.
- 34:11You know, it's human trait to be able to see things differently
- 34:15and you're exactly right.
- 34:17The reason I brought that up is because I think it changes our
- 34:20perspective on the value of the item.
- 34:23And so when I look at that sign, maybe I'm going, well, it wasn't signed by Andretti,
- 34:28but if it was, it'd be worth more.
- 34:29And you're looking at it going, no, you don't understand.
- 34:31It was made in 1963 and it was done this way and using this paint, and
- 34:35it is worth what they want for it.
- 34:37And so how do we settle those arguments about what something is worth?
- 34:41You know, the memories of the memorabilia versus the aesthetics of the memorabilia.
- 34:46How do you draw a balance when you acquire something, what you
- 34:50should be paying for that item?
- 34:51I gotta go back to what my friend Jerry used to say.
- 34:55You can do an appraisal and you could do an appraisal for value and
- 34:59you could do an appraisal for worth.
- 35:01Although both words sound the same, they're very far from the same.
- 35:06What the value of something could be.
- 35:08One thing, what something's worth is a lot different.
- 35:13That could be anything for any reason.
- 35:16It could be a connection, it could be a family connection, it could be,
- 35:21uh, an automotive type connection.
- 35:24That's something that I've seen happen with everything I've ever
- 35:28done related to the automobile.
- 35:30Different feelings from different people because.
- 35:33What it's worth is different.
- 35:36What it's valued at may not be because a value is something that
- 35:41you compare other things, okay?
- 35:44Let's say a Volkswagen Box.
- 35:46Volkswagen Box is very, very valuable.
- 35:50Okay?
- 35:50What's it worth?
- 35:51Well, it's worth what this other Volkswagen bug is worth 25,000.
- 35:56Why does one sell for 125,000 then because somebody had more
- 36:02worth to that vehicle than value.
- 36:05Same with automobile, same with all of the different things that I have.
- 36:09If somebody's got a personal connection to it, that worth could be anything
- 36:14that price paid could be satisfaction.
- 36:19One of the particular categories I wanna say that I have is a category
- 36:25called Fisher Craftsman's Guild Cars.
- 36:29You will very rarely see me sell those.
- 36:33The reason I very rarely sell those is because not only are they part of General
- 36:40Motors history, because General Motors creates this contest where young adults
- 36:47are gonna create these automobiles.
- 36:50They have no computers, they have no TVs.
- 36:52They have.
- 36:53Time to put a thousand hours here in carving or creating this futuristic
- 36:59type automobile that's easy.
- 37:02Kids got nothing to do.
- 37:03So they did it and what were they doing it for?
- 37:05Grand Prize, a college scholarship, second prize, a trip out to
- 37:11General Motors headquarters and a tour of the plant and a trophy.
- 37:16And you know, third Pro.
- 37:18So they had all these levels and these cars are all works of art.
- 37:25Even the ones that you look at and go, that was made by a kid, but some kid took
- 37:30the time to be able to put it into that.
- 37:33Item, and those items are really, really worth a lot to me, and they're
- 37:40worth a lot to me because, A, they're related to the automotive industry,
- 37:45but B, some persons did that work.
- 37:48It wasn't a designer who was getting paid to do it.
- 37:51It wasn't somebody who expected to win.
- 37:54They hoped they win.
- 37:56They didn't expect to win.
- 37:58Those Fisher cars are worth a lot more to me.
- 38:02Are they valued a lot more?
- 38:05Probably not, because it's very hard to value the Fisher cars because some
- 38:11of the more higher value ones are more intricate and more complex, but yet the
- 38:18ones with the history from A to Z. And I mean the person's name, the awards
- 38:25they won, where they placed, written dossier, or how the whole thing was
- 38:31done and why, and maybe the son wrote it because their father told them.
- 38:38How about if it was somebody whose grandfather told the father
- 38:42and the father passed the item down to the son, the grandson?
- 38:46I mean, that's different.
- 38:48Those particular cards are worth a lot to me.
- 38:52I think there also becomes a point at which there's maybe a little bit of
- 38:56guilt when you're collecting, and I know I've had this conversation with
- 38:59Don before where it's like, well, I could spend 200 bucks for the real
- 39:03thing, or 20 bucks for the repop.
- 39:05But it depends on how you're trying to outfit your collection, right?
- 39:07So there's a difference between like what you're doing, you're amassing these
- 39:11very unique, very particular things.
- 39:13But if I'm trying to outfit, you know, a shrin or a garage Mahal,
- 39:16sometimes I have to compromise on the quality versus the quantity of things
- 39:20that I wanna put up on the wall.
- 39:22Well, yeah, but I always just recently at a location, they had
- 39:26a very big auction and it was a combination of all different types.
- 39:32And what I mean by types meaning originals.
- 39:35Asterisk, which means maybe, and then what they call decorative,
- 39:40and those decorative items sold at a different price than original.
- 39:46They really did sell differently, but collections are made up of
- 39:50what makes people happy, right?
- 39:52If you wanted something and you like it.
- 39:55That's part of your collection.
- 39:57Doesn't all have to be topnotch grade A, and that's why going back to pickers,
- 40:04one of the greatest things I like about the show, besides, I like the way they
- 40:08do what they do, is they're saving things that may not be number one condition
- 40:14and may not be of value to somebody.
- 40:17They just feel that it's worth saving.
- 40:20You know, that's a whole different way to look at it.
- 40:22Different collections are of different types of, uh, levels of quality.
- 40:27I want to get your take on how you've seen the collector community evolve over the
- 40:31years from, say, when you first started, you know, what trends are you seeing now?
- 40:35What trends did you see back then?
- 40:37There are sign collectors and then there are car collectors that collect signs.
- 40:43And there are a rad of things between them, and what I mean by that is some will
- 40:50not allow something that's not original to be part of their car sign collection.
- 40:56Sometimes the cars are more important than the signs.
- 41:00Sometimes the signs are as important as the cars.
- 41:05And I've seen that at all.
- 41:07Different public museums, private collections, auctions.
- 41:11You always see that, and that's kind of what makes the world go round.
- 41:15Some people are very finicky about, it's not real, and others are fine with that.
- 41:20Others understand that, you know, the automobiles are the basis of this,
- 41:25and these collectibles is decoration, so they look at it differently.
- 41:29I try to stay away from things that aren't historically tied to something.
- 41:35I do have some things that are in the category of.
- 41:39Gotta find out because I just don't know.
- 41:42And that could be something simple as a little whittled out
- 41:45a piece of wood car and I say, well, I gotta find out about this.
- 41:50Is it something that just looks old but is really not that old?
- 41:55It's a thing of doing the research to find that out.
- 41:59But how has it changed?
- 42:01One of the things I needed to see that the automotive collective car industry
- 42:06was alive at, well, we went through COVID, we came back and it's different.
- 42:12Nobody knows if it'll ever be the same, and your idea of different might be
- 42:17different from my idea of different, but one of the things that I noticed is that.
- 42:22A lot of car collectors started saying, well, I, I'm, I'm dialing in the back.
- 42:28I'm gonna reserve my money now.
- 42:31Geez, you know, this whole way, the whole world was that time.
- 42:35I don't ever wanna be nervous.
- 42:37I want to have a, a lot more money in the bank, less money in the garage.
- 42:41I want to collect less.
- 42:42And what that did was it really started to make the collective car industry
- 42:47and signs and mobilia and everything changed because the demand also changed.
- 42:55Because here we were with a culture of older generation doing the buying.
- 43:02And after COVID a younger generation coming in, and the younger generation
- 43:07happened to appreciate different things.
- 43:10What was appreciated wasn't necessarily historic.
- 43:14Things that were valuable.
- 43:16Before COVID became not quite as valuable after COVID, so
- 43:20the values definitely changed.
- 43:23The worth is still all over the place, but the values changed this past
- 43:29weekend with that Mecca Auction summary.
- 43:32The collect the car industry is alive and well.
- 43:37The numbers were back to where it should be if it's got the story.
- 43:41They were willing to pay some of the numbers that were always really low.
- 43:47The automobile was selling well, the automobiles were selling well.
- 43:52The crowds that was there.
- 43:54Was different.
- 43:55It wasn't like it used to be.
- 43:57A lot of internet, a lot of phone, a lot of absentee.
- 44:02That's never gonna change.
- 44:04It's not gonna come back.
- 44:05It's always gonna change.
- 44:07So that whole, what was it and what is it?
- 44:09What's the future gonna be?
- 44:11It's still up in the air, but it was really, really a special moment
- 44:16to see that things are back to where, at least somewhat normal.
- 44:21Somewhat.
- 44:22I mean, let's face it, COVID was what, five years ago you had older
- 44:26collectors buying, selling, et cetera, COVID shakes everything up.
- 44:31Do we have a larger glut of younger, new collectors in the market now,
- 44:36or is it still the same old guard, or is there a merger going on?
- 44:40What do you see?
- 44:40That's a whole big question, and my opinion of that is the workplace
- 44:46changed and the workplace changed from the Bob LUTs and the Lee Cocas,
- 44:53you know, the automotive icons.
- 44:55They were there and they weren't going anywhere in their thirties and forties,
- 45:00and they weren't going anywhere in their fifties and they weren't going
- 45:03anywhere, even into their sixties.
- 45:06Those days are gone.
- 45:07A lot of the, what they call legacy costs are gone.
- 45:11Most of the high paying jobs, the younger people, they're not as driven by history.
- 45:17They're not as excited by why is it like that?
- 45:21It's more to them, well why isn't it this way?
- 45:24And that whole working from home thing and that whole being a president of
- 45:29a company a lot younger of an age and the way the whole workforce is now,
- 45:35where people just, they're hanging onto their money because they feel that,
- 45:39you know, they can't be frivolous.
- 45:42Yeah, it's definitely different.
- 45:44There is definitely some truth to everything you just said there,
- 45:46Steve, but I also think there's a slightly different dynamic that's
- 45:50occurring in the collector space.
- 45:52And I can only speak for my generation 'cause I'm a generation behind you guys.
- 45:56And then I can look down the generations behind me.
- 45:59And if you think about it, it has a lot also to do with.
- 46:02What you imprinted on when you were young.
- 46:04And so when I look around my office, I look at things and I'm very grounded
- 46:07in the eighties and the nineties, and even in Motorsport, it's like, come
- 46:11talk to me about Sena and Schumacher.
- 46:13I don't wanna really talk about Vel and Hamilton, and that's past my generation.
- 46:17You know what I mean?
- 46:18I didn't grow up with that.
- 46:19But the thing is, I don't identify as much with the op era of the 1950s and
- 46:24the Dolce Vita era of the early sixties.
- 46:26Right?
- 46:26For me, that's not my time period.
- 46:28Just in the same way I appreciate a Packard, am I gonna go buy
- 46:32one or stuff related to it?
- 46:34Probably not.
- 46:34I mean, that's my grandfather's generation, you know, of kind
- 46:37of car that they aspire to.
- 46:39What I'm getting at though is right now though, the people that are in charge
- 46:43of creating new petroliana and new Automobilia are in my age demographic,
- 46:49and you're seeing a lot of things that are leaning back into the eighties.
- 46:53And it's in markets where you didn't expect them to be.
- 46:56Prime example, I keep making the joke, the people in charge at Lego right now
- 47:00must be kids of the eighties because everything that's coming out is Nintendo
- 47:05and Nigel Mantle and this and that.
- 47:07And it's all of that era.
- 47:09They're not doing a 1953 Corvette, they're doing a 1984 C four Corvette.
- 47:14So they're catering to the market that has the money, which is gonna
- 47:18be the kids that are now in their forties and in their fifties.
- 47:21So I think you're seeing that shift.
- 47:22Now, beyond my generation, and I don't wanna make a gross generalization here,
- 47:26there is a minimalist movement where collecting is not that important anymore.
- 47:32And so I grew up in an era where we were the last of the analog kids,
- 47:37but the first to adopt digital.
- 47:38So we're in this weird gray space where we appreciate both, but the
- 47:42further you get into the digital generations, the less material things.
- 47:47Are important to collect 'cause they're not bits and bytes.
- 47:50So you have that working against the collector market.
- 47:53Well, that's absolutely true.
- 47:55But you know something, there were three guys, I think it was 1934, and they had
- 48:01pencils and they had paper and they said, well, let's write down our thoughts here.
- 48:06Let's talk.
- 48:06And they said, well what about horses?
- 48:08What about buggies?
- 48:09What about this?
- 48:10And one of 'em said, it's never gonna be like that.
- 48:12Nobody keeps horses as pets anymore.
- 48:15You know, horses were work animals.
- 48:17What you're gonna see is you're gonna see people with yards, with bushes and no
- 48:21more horse pastures and all that stuff.
- 48:23And the, the one guy who was really, really smart said.
- 48:26You know what?
- 48:27Someday I'm gonna have a great grandson and he's gonna have a thing called
- 48:33a podcast, and his name is Eric.
- 48:35They said, how do you know all that?
- 48:37I don't know.
- 48:38It's a guess.
- 48:39Yeah, right.
- 48:40That story, it's just, it's gonna keep changing because that's what history does.
- 48:45So yeah, you look back and well, they were talking about different
- 48:49things than we are talking about here today, and I do, I absolutely
- 48:53agree with you a hundred percent.
- 48:55But is some part of collecting, preserving history.
- 49:01Or some part of collecting just, well, if it makes me feel good again,
- 49:07it's like, okay, what drives you?
- 49:10How do you see it?
- 49:11And I see it as I collect, but I also like to have the history.
- 49:17I like the history, but there's other people who say,
- 49:20no, I, I want to have this.
- 49:22I want to have all blue cars.
- 49:24I wanna have all this, or I wanna have all that.
- 49:28And so there's different reasons.
- 49:29It's like everything else.
- 49:31But yeah, I agree with you, Eric.
- 49:33You're absolutely right.
- 49:34Times change.
- 49:35Nobody's collected typewriters anymore.
- 49:38They don't understand why you would wanna collect a typewriter.
- 49:41Right.
- 49:42You know?
- 49:43I'm glad you said that.
- 49:44Clarification.
- 49:45There are people, you know, I collect this because it's blue.
- 49:47I collect this because the history, I'm not gonna go too far
- 49:50down the trough, but I, I think.
- 49:53A lot of collecting in recent years.
- 49:56It's almost like you have to qualify it.
- 49:58Why do you, oh, well, I, I collect this because William Sykes III
- 50:04designed it in 1712, and William Sykes, his father was the architect
- 50:09who this building in Brussels and this building fell on a million people.
- 50:15I mean, who cares?
- 50:17Okay, really?
- 50:17Who cares?
- 50:19Do you like it?
- 50:20Do you like that weird thing hanging on your wall?
- 50:22And if it doesn't bring you joy, it's an investment.
- 50:25So we're gonna go invest in this stuff.
- 50:27I think that was a problem with the eighties, and you remember
- 50:29the eighties all too well, Steve.
- 50:31Everybody's running around buying Mustangs and Thunderbirds.
- 50:33Why?
- 50:33Holy cow.
- 50:34They were worth a fortune.
- 50:36And then what happened in the nineties?
- 50:38Oh, oh.
- 50:40They leveled out.
- 50:41The smart guy in the eighties would've bought as many DeLorean as he could have.
- 50:45Right?
- 50:46A hundred percent.
- 50:48A hundred percent.
- 50:49And Chrysler, TCS by Maserati.
- 50:51Oh my God.
- 50:52So there you go.
- 50:53You You know what?
- 50:54You're exactly right.
- 50:55It's what drives you and Yeah, it does get old Sometimes somebody will talk the
- 50:59ears off you about something, you know?
- 51:02And, and do you really need to know all that backstory and Yeah, you're right.
- 51:06It's absolutely true.
- 51:08And, and they go, oh, well why does Roll Royce have that lady on the front?
- 51:13It's like, that's weird.
- 51:15She looks like, she's like, cut these wings.
- 51:17That's not real.
- 51:18They don't wanna know that whole backstory and all that stuff.
- 51:22And that's perfectly fine.
- 51:24Then there's some 17-year-old on YouTube presenting it as if it's
- 51:27new information all over again.
- 51:28Right, right, right.
- 51:30And that's just it.
- 51:30There's a, there's an amazing story.
- 51:32You're right.
- 51:32And I know you know it, Steve.
- 51:34There's an amazing story behind the spirit of ecstasy.
- 51:36I mean, it's the stuff that movies are made of really is, and when you learn
- 51:40it, I think that adds to the allure.
- 51:43Look, when I was a little kid, one of my very first cars, aside from
- 51:46DeLorean, was Rolls Royce and I, I just thought they were fascinating.
- 51:50I thought it was amazing that somebody would take eight to nine months.
- 51:53To build a car.
- 51:55I mean, that, that just blew my mind.
- 51:56The paint was five feet thick.
- 51:58The car weighed over 5,000 pounds.
- 52:00It was honestly just astonishing to me.
- 52:03This car, the real wood inside, are you kidding me?
- 52:06I grew up in LTDs.
- 52:07We had nothing but fake stick together, wood in our interiors.
- 52:10It was, it was something else, but these rolls had real wood.
- 52:13That really impressed me.
- 52:14It amazed me.
- 52:15As time rolled on, I learned more and more about the company.
- 52:19It made me like it more.
- 52:20It made me like the car more.
- 52:22It made me like the hood ornament made me like everything about the company more.
- 52:25Something dawned on me while you guys were talking about the trends in
- 52:29the collector market and things like that, and I think the point at which
- 52:32everything shifted, sort of that event horizon, and we've talked about this
- 52:36on break fix before we actually have episodes dedicated to the linkage and
- 52:41the crossover between the music industry.
- 52:44In the automotive world and how one influences the other.
- 52:47And if you think about it collecting changed for everybody almost everywhere
- 52:52simultaneously, when you could no longer really buy an album, when music went
- 52:59digital and you were paying 99 cents a song from Apple or Spotify or whoever it
- 53:04was, you're no longer rushing off to Tower Records or Waxy Maxis or whatever it was
- 53:09to buy that new CD where only two out of 14 songs were any good on that album.
- 53:15That's when collecting change.
- 53:16'cause if you think about what you talked about, Steve, with all the history and
- 53:19the minutiae, people knew that stuff about record albums and the vinyl pressings
- 53:24and where the album was recorded and when it was recorded, and what John Lennon
- 53:27was thinking when they wrote the song.
- 53:29Like all this immense detail.
- 53:31And you saw that in other forms of collecting.
- 53:34And once music changed, I think the rest of collecting changed along with it.
- 53:38You are right.
- 53:39It's definitely trends.
- 53:41Think about this, how many people still collect stamps?
- 53:45I remember when I was young, that's a big thing, collecting stamps, you don't
- 53:50really hear much about that, but yet there's a whole other arena of stamp
- 53:56collectors, stamp collector shows.
- 53:58It's nowhere near what it used to be, but yet it still exists.
- 54:03It's just on a smaller scale.
- 54:05So yeah, you're absolutely right.
- 54:07Popularity definitely changes as time goes on.
- 54:11The automobile, I think, is with us to stay for a a while.
- 54:16I mean, I, I don't quite see the flying car taken off literally yet.
- 54:20Here we are stuck with technology and well, yeah, we do it differently today,
- 54:26but it's the same, but it's trends and it's always gonna be that way.
- 54:30Collecting will always be a trend.
- 54:33And, and you know, one of the things that I was surprised that crossed over
- 54:37this particular year was a whole group of collectors of travel agent Mobilia,
- 54:44not Expedia, that's not a travel agent.
- 54:47So all these travel agents, okay, they got all these like promotional
- 54:52items from the airlines, planes and little statues and all kind of goodies.
- 54:58There's a whole different arena of collectors that.
- 55:01That's what they collect is old travel agent stuff and all Pan Am signs
- 55:07and the Pan Am plane and it changes.
- 55:10It's always changing.
- 55:11What do you collect from Expedia?
- 55:13You know, I don't know.
- 55:15Who knows?
- 55:16But yes, you're absolutely right.
- 55:18It is gonna change.
- 55:19Who's to say the future of automobile seems to be like it's gonna
- 55:24travel with the, uh, automobile.
- 55:27Then maybe it'll go up when there are no automobiles anymore,
- 55:32whatever that thing might be.
- 55:34The Jetsons, we all watch the Jetsons, but yet you never saw a Texaco gas
- 55:40pump in the little car landing area.
- 55:43And you never saw George show you his collection of
- 55:47famous SNH Green stamp things.
- 55:50They forgot all that.
- 55:52Right?
- 55:52Well, what happened to all the cars?
- 55:54You know, where did they all go?
- 55:56Where's all that Mobile and Exxon and all those gas pumps and where?
- 56:01Where'd all that stuff go?
- 56:02Oh, the car's gone.
- 56:03Did we get the Jetson mobile?
- 56:05There's no history.
- 56:06Where did it all go?
- 56:07Could that be a future?
- 56:09We sure thought so.
- 56:10We were little kids, didn't we?
- 56:12For sure.
- 56:13Which for me, I started collecting very, very early.
- 56:16'cause I was just psychotic.
- 56:17Basically.
- 56:18Let's say somebody's getting into the Automobilia thing.
- 56:21They've been lightly interested in it.
- 56:23They don't know where to start.
- 56:24They don't know what to do.
- 56:26Aside from telling them, you know, Hey, check out Automobilia
- 56:30Vintage to see what we've got.
- 56:32What advice would you give them?
- 56:33I mean, how would they start?
- 56:35Where would you tell 'em to start?
- 56:37You buy what you like.
- 56:38Mm-hmm.
- 56:38What I like might not be what you like.
- 56:41That's why if you take a look at the things that I offer for
- 56:44sale, they're all over the place.
- 56:46I have different things.
- 56:47I don't specialize in one particular thing.
- 56:50It's all over the place.
- 56:52So I always say it and you know, and that's like right back to the, the
- 56:55story of what we were talking about.
- 56:57What's worth, what's value.
- 56:59So buy what you like.
- 57:00That's the advice I give somebody.
- 57:03You know what, if you like it.
- 57:04It's always gonna be worth more, right?
- 57:08If you really like something and you say, oh, I like that because whatever
- 57:13the reason, you could have a reason.
- 57:15And that reason is what this is all about.
- 57:19Why do I come down here in my garage every day?
- 57:22Why do I do this?
- 57:23'cause it makes me happy.
- 57:25You know?
- 57:25Why do you wanna drive around in an old car that's gonna break
- 57:28down on the side of the road?
- 57:29Well, because when it's not broke down, it makes me happy.
- 57:33So that's what it's all about.
- 57:34It's our happiness.
- 57:35And there's some people who are perfectly fine sitting in front of a keyboard all
- 57:40day and going, I like watching the stock.
- 57:42So that makes them happy.
- 57:44And there's other people who say, I like look on my bank
- 57:46book and that makes me happy.
- 57:48It's all about that.
- 57:50It's that happiness and it's about, okay, what does it take to say.
- 57:56I really like that.
- 57:57And that's what I say, don't buy something because I say it's valuable.
- 58:02Don't buy something because you saw it on this podcast and I say, well,
- 58:07over the next 10 years you are gonna appreciate it 50% per year and I
- 58:13guarantee that all your money back.
- 58:15It's not about that.
- 58:16It's, that's why they sell gold and silver in places and it's overpriced.
- 58:21That's in the back of magazines.
- 58:23So people buy things sometime because of that.
- 58:26But no, don't do that.
- 58:28Buy what you like.
- 58:29And I know plenty of people who've bought those gold things and Sova,
- 58:34Don likes those Franklin mint cars.
- 58:36Well, guess what?
- 58:37If you bought 'em a little while ago, probably really happy right now.
- 58:41Right?
- 58:42So, I mean, you know, it, it's just what makes you happy and different people.
- 58:47We'll see something through their own eyes.
- 58:49Could there be five people that see that?
- 58:52Yeah.
- 58:53Most auctions involve two.
- 58:55Sometimes it involves more than two.
- 58:57Sometimes it could be 10.
- 58:59That's when you'll see the crowd going wild.
- 59:02When 10 people really see the worth in something, not the value.
- 59:09And that's conversations that you'll always have with somebody
- 59:13who shares the passion that you have, like all three of us do.
- 59:17In fact, you share that passion.
- 59:19It's a common ground.
- 59:20It makes us as humans compatible because we could talk about
- 59:25something that we all like.
- 59:26So you know, you do what you like, buy what you like, look at something
- 59:30and say, you know, I like that.
- 59:32And when it becomes worth 10 times the amount of money that
- 59:36could make you very, very happy.
- 59:38But it also could be something that never is worth more than the day you bought it.
- 59:43But it still will make you very happy.
- 59:46And I've seen that a lot.
- 59:48I've seen it a lot with the things I sell.
- 59:50I see it a lot with the cars I've sold.
- 59:53I saw it a lot, especially with checker.
- 59:56Owning Checker brought a lot of people to me, people who said, I remember on
- 1:00:02the way to the hospital in the back of a checker, my son was born in a snow storm.
- 1:00:07And, and I'd be like, oh, okay, that's great.
- 1:00:10But see, that's something they relate to.
- 1:00:13I have people call me up and they go, well, my father, he had
- 1:00:17a Fisher Craftsman's car, and I wish I could find that it really
- 1:00:21meant a lot when I was young.
- 1:00:23So there's different stories you're gonna hear and different reasons why
- 1:00:28different people will do different things.
- 1:00:30But you know what it's like they say different strokes are different folks.
- 1:00:33So buy what you like.
- 1:00:35If you feel like you like that.
- 1:00:37That's how you do it.
- 1:00:38Don't go to a book and go, oh, wait a minute, that's $25.
- 1:00:42And I only see it in the book at 20.
- 1:00:45If you really like it, pay the 25.
- 1:00:48You'll be happy.
- 1:00:49See, Steve, you remind me of that, that lady that was on Netflix, Marie Kondo.
- 1:00:53If it brings you joy, keep it.
- 1:00:54It's the same idea, right?
- 1:00:56At the end of the day, not everybody's always happy.
- 1:01:00Just having a bunch of happy things doesn't make a happy person, and
- 1:01:04that's what life's all about.
- 1:01:05You know, learning what things make you happy, and sometimes saying, I
- 1:01:10don't think I'm ever gonna be happy again, but then maybe sometimes some of
- 1:01:14this stuff just does help, doesn't it?
- 1:01:17All this Automobilia philosophizing brings us to Steve.
- 1:01:22Where do you see Automobilia Vintage going, your new company?
- 1:01:27What projects are exciting about it?
- 1:01:29What's next for Steve?
- 1:01:30What's up for Automobilia Vintage?
- 1:01:32You know, it's like with any startup of any company.
- 1:01:36Not necessarily bigger, but definitely better.
- 1:01:40Definitely a more easier and a more streamlined approach to this whole thing.
- 1:01:47You live and you learn, and you learn.
- 1:01:49You make your mistakes and don't we learn by them, so, you
- 1:01:53know, I wanna make it better.
- 1:01:55I want to make it easier for our clients to deal with.
- 1:01:59I want to be able to offer a service instead of putting
- 1:02:02that stuff with the trains.
- 1:02:04I'm not famous enough yet to help with that.
- 1:02:08I would like to be able to help with that so that those automobile related
- 1:02:13items, that automobile gets into the right channel to go to the right place.
- 1:02:19Because I, I don't know what would've happened, 20 outta 20.
- 1:02:23It's a good batting average, but it also makes me think, well, what
- 1:02:27if I was the only, I believe I was.
- 1:02:31And when I went to pick it all up and, um, the auctioneer said, I'm so
- 1:02:35glad it's all gonna stay together.
- 1:02:37And, and I thought.
- 1:02:38Oh my God, that's quite an honor.
- 1:02:41But you were running an auction.
- 1:02:43You could have put this as one lot.
- 1:02:45Well, no, we, we thought it would be better if somebody wanted
- 1:02:47this or somebody wanted that.
- 1:02:48And I said, well, I, I'm gonna keep it together.
- 1:02:51If it's available, it will be together so that if somebody has, you know, a
- 1:02:56reason to want it all, they will have the opportunity to purchase it all.
- 1:03:01That's what it comes down to.
- 1:03:03Right?
- 1:03:03Making it better, making it be better known.
- 1:03:07However that becomes, can go as fast as possible and get up higher faster.
- 1:03:12So that's what it's all about.
- 1:03:14Right?
- 1:03:14We give a better experience and that's one of the things, all of my
- 1:03:18seven businesses that I've ever had.
- 1:03:21I always want to offer a better experience.
- 1:03:24Everybody can do what you do, but you could give them a better experience and
- 1:03:29is that not something that's lost today?
- 1:03:32Try to call somebody at eBay.
- 1:03:34Try to call somebody at Expedia.
- 1:03:36Try to call somebody at UPS.
- 1:03:39I can give a better experience.
- 1:03:41You call it goes to my cell phone.
- 1:03:43You can contact me and Steve, to be clear, automobilia Vintage is not an auction.
- 1:03:49It's a place to go to purchase direct.
- 1:03:52Is that right?
- 1:03:53It is.
- 1:03:53I really feel like an auction is a place where you can go and you, you
- 1:03:58have to control your emotions, right?
- 1:04:01You have to.
- 1:04:02It's like anything else.
- 1:04:03If you are there and you, there's no sky, you could be
- 1:04:06pretty high without a parachute.
- 1:04:08So what I try to do is I try to offer the unique items.
- 1:04:12You know, one of the things that I don't do is say I'm firm,
- 1:04:16I put a price on something.
- 1:04:18But if somebody calls and says, you know, I, I, I am very reasonable.
- 1:04:24Most of the time it ends up being the freight.
- 1:04:26You know, sometimes it could be less.
- 1:04:29But I, I try to give everybody that same opportunity I got.
- 1:04:33And unfortunately I feel like, you know, an auction, it doesn't
- 1:04:37give everybody a fair shot.
- 1:04:39I mean, somebody's gotta be a winner.
- 1:04:41Well, what's that?
- 1:04:41Make the guy who wasn't a winner, first runner up.
- 1:04:45Okay.
- 1:04:47And we also give everybody a star for effort.
- 1:04:51Ricky Bobby said, if you ain't first, your last.
- 1:04:53Right.
- 1:04:54So that's what I'm trying to say.
- 1:04:55I like the auction, but I, I, I'm not crazy about, I'm not sold on that
- 1:05:00idea quite yet because I just don't like that fact of putting someone
- 1:05:04who wants something in that position.
- 1:05:07I mean, if it's a disposal situation, which a lot of auctions are, they
- 1:05:11just gotta get rid of this stuff.
- 1:05:13That's different.
- 1:05:13But to say, oh, well, hey, look, today we're gonna offer something as
- 1:05:18buyers, we don't like that, right?
- 1:05:19What if you went in the grocery store and said, Hey, here's your steak.
- 1:05:22Oh, wait a minute, $5, $6, seven.
- 1:05:25Do I hear 8, 9, 10, 12?
- 1:05:27Oh, Don, you're not eating tonight.
- 1:05:29Eric, you are the winner of this steak.
- 1:05:31Don hit the road.
- 1:05:32So, I mean, we don't like being put in that position, and I don't wanna
- 1:05:36put my clients in that position.
- 1:05:38You know, I'm trying to make it just what it is.
- 1:05:40Fun, happy part of an experience.
- 1:05:44Alright, Steve, well we've reached that part of the episode where I'd like to
- 1:05:48invite our guests to share any shout outs, promotions, thank yous, or anything
- 1:05:51else we haven't covered thus far.
- 1:05:53Well, how can I not?
- 1:05:54Thank you, Eric.
- 1:05:55You gave me an opportunity to tell all of your wonderful listeners exactly how.
- 1:06:02I see things, it's all opinion.
- 1:06:04It's all based upon things that I've had in my 62 years of experience.
- 1:06:09And that's it, right?
- 1:06:10I mean, I can't tell you that I went to the School of Automobilia 'cause I didn't.
- 1:06:16And I can't tell you that I graduated with a degree in Automobilia because I didn't.
- 1:06:22And again, I can never forget my friends.
- 1:06:24So I can't forget Dawn.
- 1:06:26And, you know, I can't forget the first time I picked up this WOW magazine called
- 1:06:32Garage Style and met the man behind it.
- 1:06:36I, I just thought it was so fabulous.
- 1:06:39And you know, I, I have to tell you all the years of knowing
- 1:06:42Dawn, Dawn's been there for me.
- 1:06:45So I have to say thank you to Dawn.
- 1:06:47I, I'll never forget it.
- 1:06:48And there's just so many other people I've met through Dawn as well, you
- 1:06:52know, that are just fantastic car guys.
- 1:06:55Car girls.
- 1:06:56It's wonderful.
- 1:06:57And that's one of the things I enjoy the most.
- 1:06:59That's why I say.
- 1:07:01Thank you for coming to Automobile Your Vintage.
- 1:07:03We've hoped you had a great experience, and that's what it's all about.
- 1:07:08You're too kind, Steve.
- 1:07:09Thank you.
- 1:07:10Well, thank you Don, and thank you Eric, both really.
- 1:07:13It does mean a lot to me from uncovering rare treasures to preserving
- 1:07:17the rich history of Motorsport.
- 1:07:19Steve gave us a look into the passion, the dedication, and the
- 1:07:24stories behind every collectible in his extraordinary collection.
- 1:07:28So be sure to check out Automobilia Vintage online@automobiliavintage.com
- 1:07:34for more insights, rare finds, and ways to connect with Steve's
- 1:07:38world of automotive history.
- 1:07:40You can also follow him on social media for updates and highlights
- 1:07:45from the collection via Instagram and Facebook at Automobilia Vintage.
- 1:07:50That's right Don and Steve, I can't thank you enough for coming on Break
- 1:07:54Fix and sharing your story, your passion, and your incredible insights
- 1:07:58into the world of collecting with us.
- 1:08:00And we wish you the best of luck on your new startup, your new adventure that
- 1:08:05you're going on with Automobile Vintage.
- 1:08:07So good luck and Godspeed.
- 1:08:08Thank you both.
- 1:08:09You know, it's, it's wonderful to be here with both of you.
- 1:08:13Besides all of the love for cars and the love for automobile and
- 1:08:18the love for history and all that, it's about the friends too.
- 1:08:22Dawn and I have been friends and, um, you know, I, I could never forget my
- 1:08:26friends and not that I ever would, but I just wanna say that's a big part
- 1:08:30and I want to thank both of you guys.
- 1:08:32And now, Eric, guess what?
- 1:08:34Welcome to a long friendship.
- 1:08:36Oh, thank you very much.
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