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INTERVIEW: Pastor Mike Todd Talks 'We Outside Tour,' Progression Vs. Perfection, NLE Choppa, Outfit Backlash · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day Breakfast Club, finish for y'all done morning.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody is DJ Envy just hilarious, Charlamagne the God. We
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  Speaker 2: are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in
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  Speaker 2: the building. We are Pastor Mike Todd. Welcome back brother.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Family?
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  Speaker 1: Y'all good today?
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  Speaker 3: How you feeling? How you doing?
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  Speaker 1: Brother? I feel great, man, y'all look good in here. Well,
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  Speaker 1: thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Before we dive into anything, I do have a question
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  Speaker 2: because they would make it fun of me, right, what's up?
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  Speaker 2: I was speaking to a pastor and we were talking
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  Speaker 2: about the celebration of Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and we used to go all out as a family.
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  Speaker 2: We used to do these videos and you know, make
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  Speaker 2: it fun and right. We used to decorate the house.
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  Speaker 2: And the pastor said, I don't know if it's a
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  Speaker 2: good idea to go that far into it. She said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you don't trick or treat,
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  Speaker 2: but what you're doing might be a little too far.
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  Speaker 2: I got you, what's your thoughts on it?
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  Speaker 4: So there's a whole bunch of different camps on this,
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  Speaker 4: especially as people are actually coming out of that holiday.
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  Speaker 4: My thing is this is a season where the orgin
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  Speaker 4: are very dark, demonic, let's say evil. There are specific
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  Speaker 4: things though that happen in our culture that I believe
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  Speaker 4: can be redeemed. So I have little kids that actually
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  Speaker 4: like dressing up, and if they dress up not on Halloween,
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  Speaker 4: it's not a bad thing. It's like, oh, look at him,
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  Speaker 4: he looks like a little princess or anything like that.
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  Speaker 4: So what me and my family do is we use
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  Speaker 4: this opportunity to reach people with what we believe with faith,
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  Speaker 4: We use this moment to bless people, to give to them,
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  Speaker 4: to actually this is a time for people to actually
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  Speaker 4: meet their neighbors. Do you know how many people live
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  Speaker 4: in their neighborhood and never talk to their neighbors never.
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  Speaker 4: Actually you drive by them, you look at their Christmas light,
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  Speaker 4: but you never talk to them. So we use this
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  Speaker 4: as a moment to actually meet our neighbors. We invite
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  Speaker 4: them to church, we bless them with the best candy,
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  Speaker 4: we actually talk to them and use it because all
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  Speaker 4: things can actually work together for good. I definitely think
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  Speaker 4: that there are some evil things that happen in this season. Also,
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  Speaker 4: I think to the pure, all things are pure, and
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  Speaker 4: there is something good that can come out of every situation.
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  Speaker 4: Also at the church, we do fall festivals and we
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  Speaker 4: bring kids to the church and we we take something
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  Speaker 4: that culture uses sometime to glorify something else, and we
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  Speaker 4: try to figure out a way where we can put hope, love, joy,
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  Speaker 4: peace in the middle of it. And so I just
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  Speaker 4: would encourage everybody to use this as a moment to
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  Speaker 4: come together and not divine.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I don't think nobody is thinking about Halloween
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  Speaker 5: as something evil. It's it's community, it's joy, like you said,
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  Speaker 5: it's the giving of the candy. It's a bonding thing
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  Speaker 5: with the family and the neighborhoods.
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  Speaker 3: Like. I don't think nobody's looking at it.
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  Speaker 4: Like now there are some evil stuff. Come on, now,
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  Speaker 4: hold on, wait, I mean, first off, all of the
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  Speaker 4: why are you.
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  Speaker 3: Gonna do that? Don't do it? And one day.
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  Speaker 1: And when people do this all year round, yeah, one
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  Speaker 1: day of.
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  Speaker 3: People pretending no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 4: I think I think that the hard movies are evil
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  Speaker 4: to I think a lot of the origins of them
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  Speaker 4: are a lot of the killing, a lot of the
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  Speaker 4: evil spirits, a lot of the ghost stuff, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of demonic activity, the seances, the Ouiji boards.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I could go on and on and on.
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  Speaker 4: I do believe that stuff is demonic and does is
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  Speaker 4: spiritual from darkness.
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  Speaker 3: What about hip hop when you're playing the records about
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  Speaker 3: people killing each.
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  Speaker 1: Other, I think a lot of that is evil origin
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  Speaker 1: as well.
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  Speaker 4: Let's be honest, you're gonna stop playing those records.
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  Speaker 6: He grew up witness He was able to celebrate a
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  Speaker 6: bunch of you know, a bunch of holidays, So I
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  Speaker 6: got living out his little boy different. You don't even
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  Speaker 6: look at it as a you know, I got you.
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  Speaker 3: What are you about to say?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm asking but one somebody, somebody will say that
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  Speaker 2: it's more diving into demonic ways and worshiping the demon's worshiping.
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  Speaker 3: You don't think that's you don't think you don't think
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  Speaker 3: that music does that?
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  Speaker 1: You worship it?
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  Speaker 3: Satan was in the Minister of music.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, sir, col do you worship it? You worship music?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 3: Actually I love hip hop.
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  Speaker 1: I think that worship is a little different than hold on.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on.
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  Speaker 4: Worship is a definite bowing down to something. Okay, So
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  Speaker 4: let's be let's be very clear about that. And music
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  Speaker 4: is a conduit of worship. So I would encourage everybody
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  Speaker 4: whatever you're listening to, there is something that can get
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  Speaker 4: into your heart, your spirit, your mind, your soul that
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  Speaker 4: will make you do things that is not what you
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  Speaker 4: would really want to do. It begins to show your
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  Speaker 4: allegiance and to make idols of different things. And so
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  Speaker 4: that's why music is so powerful. And I will say
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  Speaker 4: I agree with you that the origins of a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the music that is out and that we listen
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  Speaker 4: to is from evil nature music Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: Oh completely, But that's.
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  Speaker 3: Why you have to have strong will.
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  Speaker 6: If you have your own you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 6: You got strong will and then you won't be affected.
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  Speaker 1: Ah.
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  Speaker 4: I will say that. I will say that a strong
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  Speaker 4: will will get you so far. But there are things
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  Speaker 4: that are more powerful than a will. There are decisions
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  Speaker 4: that you can make to partner with certain things that
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  Speaker 4: are stronger than your decison.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't want to do that.
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  Speaker 4: How many people have said I ain't going back to
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  Speaker 4: that dude and he called you at nighttime and you
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  Speaker 4: end up in his bed.
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  Speaker 1: Dangn hold on. I'm just trying to say.
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  Speaker 4: What I'm saying is how many times have we said
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  Speaker 4: we're not gonna eat the donut and We're sitting there
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  Speaker 4: with a box of Krispy Kremes. How many times have
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  Speaker 4: we said so? Strong will is not always enough. I
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  Speaker 4: really believe that you have to not just have strong will,
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  Speaker 4: you actually have to have disciplines, practices, things that are
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  Speaker 4: accountable around you.
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  Speaker 1: Because if you don't, you will end up.
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  Speaker 4: I think everybody listening and everybody in this room has
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  Speaker 4: done stuff we had a strong will that we were
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  Speaker 4: not gonna do. Yeah, for sure, And that's why I
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  Speaker 4: think that we really have to put our faith in
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  Speaker 4: something that's stronger than our strong will and have a
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  Speaker 4: foundation that will never change.
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  Speaker 1: And for me, that's car See.
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  Speaker 2: Charlemage is the type of person you know you give
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  Speaker 2: up cigarettes and he'd be like, but you're still But
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: What I want to be comfortable with.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm not judging. I'm just saying, but also to it.
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  Speaker 5: What what he failed to mention is I don't think
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  Speaker 5: you can. I don't think you can do a little
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  Speaker 5: bit of evil. So if you think something is wrong,
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  Speaker 5: you can't.
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  Speaker 3: Do a little bit of it.
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  Speaker 1: I got you, I'm saying, I hear it.
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  Speaker 3: So either you're gonna stop doing it all together.
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  Speaker 2: Or you're still I'm just I'm just not diving into
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  Speaker 2: the huge thing that I used to do before and
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  Speaker 2: do these huge videos and decorations and productions. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: doing that. If my kids wanted to dress up in
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  Speaker 2: tricker treat with their friends, I'm cool with, but I'm not.
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  Speaker 4: We gotta celebrate this. This is progression, though, and not perfection.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that everybody has to do that because
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  Speaker 4: there will be the Charlotta Mayne's of this world that
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  Speaker 4: always try to pick out what you're not doing. But
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  Speaker 4: but I need I felt that that you need an
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  Speaker 4: a man right there.
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  Speaker 1: Huh.
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  Speaker 4: But I feel like that that's not the way that
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  Speaker 4: people change. People don't fall into their vices all of
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  Speaker 4: a sudden. They fall in progressively. It's watching something, it's
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  Speaker 4: doing something. It's then participating it all the time, and
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  Speaker 4: it's becoming it.
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  Speaker 5: No, this is all of a sudden, because on Friday
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  Speaker 5: he was telling us how you forgot his costume. He's
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  Speaker 5: supposed to be damned that, and then all of a
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  Speaker 5: sudden to break shout out everybody who celebrated Halloween.
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  Speaker 2: Is the transition is production. I'm not doing the production
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  Speaker 2: and opening up my house to that envious I am
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  Speaker 2: still go I still go out with my kids.
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  Speaker 1: Don't let them do not let him or anybody else,
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  Speaker 1: anybody else.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, it's it's but this is what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: The truth of the matter is all transitions and have
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  Speaker 4: tension when you're trying to make a change, especially when
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  Speaker 4: you have been something else.
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  Speaker 1: You have to realize that people won't.
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  Speaker 4: Understand your transition because a lot of times that transition
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  Speaker 4: is supposed to happen in the dark.
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  Speaker 1: It's supposed to have a dark one. You have to
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  Speaker 1: develop into that thing.
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  Speaker 4: And because you guys, do everything in front of everybody,
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  Speaker 4: and somebody can pull up what you said last week
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  Speaker 4: or last year or last month and like you not that, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: forget all of that for everybody that's listening in this
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  Speaker 4: room right now and that's in here.
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  Speaker 1: Progression is messy.
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  Speaker 7: Because I was thinking and again and again, what I'm
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  Speaker 7: going to tell you is progression and changing into who
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  Speaker 7: God has created you to be is a messy process.
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  Speaker 4: And sometimes you go back and forth. Sometimes you're trying
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  Speaker 4: to figure it out. Sometimes you're trying to feel what's
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  Speaker 4: real to you and what you actually have to do.
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  Speaker 4: So I celebrate you in making the progression step. If
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  Speaker 4: that's what you feel like you need.
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  Speaker 1: To do another question, though you know we did a
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  Speaker 1: deep dive into it this week. That's my masking.
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  Speaker 2: So when you speak to somebody that's like a medium, right,
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  Speaker 2: and they're saying that they can see the afterlife or
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  Speaker 2: in between, what's your thoughts on things like that that
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  Speaker 2: come from it a negative place?
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  Speaker 1: So we don't know.
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  Speaker 4: The supernatural is very real. Absolutely, let me be very clear,
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  Speaker 4: the supernatural is very real. But the Bible is very
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  Speaker 4: clear too that the same people that were inspired and
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  Speaker 4: empowered by God to actually make change. We can use
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  Speaker 4: Moses and we can use Elijah who were calling down fire.
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  Speaker 4: There were people in that time that were actually empowered
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  Speaker 4: by evil forces or by the devil. And so I
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  Speaker 4: definitely believe that when somebody is channeling a different spirit
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  Speaker 4: or talking to the future, my question is where's the source.
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  Speaker 4: Is the source God, the God of the universe, the
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  Speaker 4: God who created all things, the one who loves everybody,
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  Speaker 4: or is the source something that is evil, demonic, perverted, twisted,
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  Speaker 4: And so I definitely believe all of it's real, and
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  Speaker 4: I definitely believe that you can hear and see those
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  Speaker 4: things through people, because there's too many signs of that everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: But the truth is, check the source. Would you would
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  Speaker 1: you talk to a medium.
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  Speaker 4: Not to find out anything. I would talk to him
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  Speaker 4: to pray for him, because I already have access to
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  Speaker 4: God and everybody has access to God through Jesus. So
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  Speaker 4: the truth of the matter is a lot of times
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  Speaker 4: these mediums, these sources, these people are cop outs for
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  Speaker 4: actually talking to the head person. A lot of people
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  Speaker 4: won't go to God because they think that he's ashamed
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  Speaker 4: of them, or he hates them, or it's going to
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  Speaker 4: be like what religion did. And God is a loving
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  Speaker 4: father that's waiting for his children to come home. And
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  Speaker 4: it's like, why would you go talk to your uncle
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  Speaker 4: when you can come talk to your dad.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and mediums actually talk to the spirit guides around you.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it's God.
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  Speaker 4: And again, why would you go talk to an assistant
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  Speaker 4: when you could talk to the CEO? And a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people choose cheap cop outs because they feel like
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  Speaker 4: that they have to present themselves a certain way. But
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  Speaker 4: I just tell people like, I don't need anybody to
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  Speaker 4: tell me what God's already told me. That's why even
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  Speaker 4: prophets in the Bible. They're supposed to bring edification and
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  Speaker 4: conformation to what God's already talked to you about.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I don't disagree with you passing my side, but
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  Speaker 5: I hear a lot of people feel that way about Jesus.
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  Speaker 5: And what I mean by that is they say, Jesus
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  Speaker 5: is God's Son. So why do I have to talk
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  Speaker 5: through the Son to talk to my Father?
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  Speaker 4: Because the Bible says that Jesus is the only way,
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  Speaker 4: the truth and the life. The only way that you
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  Speaker 4: can come to him is through the only way you
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  Speaker 4: can tell me to the Father is through the Son.
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  Speaker 4: Because he knew that we would not be able to
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  Speaker 4: understand his ways.
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  Speaker 1: The Bible says, It's ways are not our ways. Thoughts
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  Speaker 1: is not our thoughts.
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  Speaker 4: He's higher. So I'm gonna take myself the Trinity. Now
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  Speaker 4: we're getting into a deep theological thing, but we get
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  Speaker 4: into the Trinity and it's the Father, Son, and the
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  Speaker 4: Holy Spirit all in one. And he said, I gotta
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  Speaker 4: give my children something they can relate to. So I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna I'm going to wrap myself in humanity. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: put on humanity, and I'm gonna come to the earth,
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  Speaker 4: and when I come to the earth, I'm gonna live
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  Speaker 4: this life sinless for thirty three years. But I'm not
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  Speaker 4: gonna do it without temptation. I'm gonna let all the
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  Speaker 4: temptations that they would experience come. And because everything that
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  Speaker 4: is redeemed has to have a sacrifice, I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: become the sacrificial lamb for everybody. And all they gotta
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  Speaker 4: do is believe that this was done for them, and
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  Speaker 4: they'll have access back to the Father. And what ends
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  Speaker 4: up happening in that is all it is is in
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  Speaker 4: acknowledgment that God did this for us. And when you
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  Speaker 4: understand that, you really understand the love of God. Like
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  Speaker 4: most people, you know, people going through all kinds of
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  Speaker 4: stuff right now, and most people just don't know they're
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  Speaker 4: loved like they were loved even before their parents had them.
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  Speaker 4: The Bible says, before you were in your mother's womb,
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  Speaker 4: I knew you, I chose you, I called you. So
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  Speaker 4: like even all the crazy bad stuff that happens in
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  Speaker 4: this earth, because we're in a fallen world right now,
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  Speaker 4: there's still somebody who loves you enough to help you,
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  Speaker 4: redeem you, send good people into your life, give you
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  Speaker 4: different opportunities. And so for me, man, I know who
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  Speaker 4: I was before I met God for real, Like I
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  Speaker 4: knew I was a liar, addicted to pornography, a manipulator.
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  Speaker 1: I had very evil things in my heart.
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  Speaker 4: And then I realized I was loved by God and
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  Speaker 4: he had a plan for my life. And he took
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  Speaker 4: all my gifts and my talents and all that other
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  Speaker 4: stuff and I could use it for him, and it
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  Speaker 4: changed my life. And I want as many people to
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  Speaker 4: know that. And I don't care what you think about me.
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  Speaker 4: I don't care if you clown me. I don't care
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  Speaker 4: if you I know the truth that one day we
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  Speaker 4: all gonna find out. And I'm passionate about it because
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  Speaker 4: I don't want nobody to get to the Great Judgment
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  Speaker 4: and be like nobody told me, Like I'm gonna be
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  Speaker 4: the dude that's like yo. At least I tried to
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  Speaker 4: tell you, like, there's a different way to do this.
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  Speaker 4: And God really loves you, man, And so that's why
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  Speaker 4: I didn't come here to preach.
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  Speaker 1: But I guess I just.
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  Speaker 6: But Jesus was thirty three, thirty three, look at you.
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  Speaker 4: And at thirty three, you don't no, no, no, But The
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  Speaker 4: thing about that is stop that, and that's crazy. This
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  Speaker 4: is the thing I'm gonna I'm gonna say this, something
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  Speaker 4: in you is going to die so that a greater
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  Speaker 4: version of you can live.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, okay, thank you, There you go? Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Can we stay on this for a second.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm gonna tell the reason I want to stay
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  Speaker 5: on this for a second because I've been having this
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  Speaker 5: conversation a lot later and I've always felt like this
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  Speaker 5: my whole life. I believe in God, I believe in Jesus.
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  Speaker 5: I believe Jesus was a messenger. He was sitting here
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  Speaker 5: to show us the best example of what we can be.
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  Speaker 5: The thing I have a problem with is us as humans. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: we act like we have unlimited sins because of the
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  Speaker 5: sacrifice that Jesus made. Why don't we strive to be
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  Speaker 5: the best versions of ourselves the way that Jesus did,
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  Speaker 5: as opposed to just sin and sin and saying and
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  Speaker 5: sinning and think we can just.
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  Speaker 3: Pray it away.
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  Speaker 4: So I think the truth of the matter is people
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  Speaker 4: don't understand the cost of what Christ did for everybody,
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: because if you understood the cost, you wouldn't treat so
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  Speaker 4: cheap exactly the truth of the matter is it's a
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  Speaker 4: fictional story for most people what Jesus did being scourged
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  Speaker 4: and beaten and laid on a cross. And while he's
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  Speaker 4: on a cross, he looks over at a thief and
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  Speaker 4: literally says, today, if you believe in me, you'll be
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  Speaker 4: in paradise. And two guys had a decision to make,
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  Speaker 4: and one of them is like, nah, I'm good, and
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  Speaker 4: the other one was like, yo.
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  Speaker 1: I believe.
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  Speaker 4: Like he's literally getting killed and he's still trying to
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  Speaker 4: show his love for somebody who was a sinner who
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  Speaker 4: did the crime. And so a lot of people they
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: don't understand how much it costs. And just like in
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: our society day, nobody understands what tax evasion really cost
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: you until you locked up for fifteen years. I mean,
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: it's the human nature to like, you don't know what
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: cheating on your spouse cost until you have to see
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: your kids on visits that are supervised. We try to
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: romanticize how much things cost, but really it costs a
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: lot more. And so that's why there's a scripture in
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: relations that talks about so now that we've received this
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: beautiful grace, do we keep going on in sin, and
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: it says, of course not. He was like, we don't
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: keep doing the thing that he rescued us from. We
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: got to change in our conduct and our act and
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: our love. And that's why the fruit of the spirit
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: should be love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, self control.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: That's what we're actually supposed to be displaying. But it's
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: hard to display that when you think that what happened
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: was a fairy tale or was something back in the day.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: It's just an historic fact instead of the greatest act
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: of love that we've ever seen.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, when they say the best apology has changed behavior,
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: I believe the best form of repentance behavior.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: You're talking big.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: You're talking big right there, because repent is not a
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: church word. It just means to turn. That's what repent means.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: So a lot of people say sorry, but they don't turn.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: A lot of people repent in their heart, but they
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: didn't turn. You gone to the altar, you pray, Lord,
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: if you saved.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Me out of this, I promise I'll never smoked that,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: and I'll never shoot that, and I'll never do that.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: And as soon as you get saved, you right back
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: in the same So you didn't repent.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: You just said I'm sorry.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: But it's not until you start going a different direction
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: that there's actual repentance. And that's where what you're saying
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: the change behavior, that's really the modification we all have
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: to make to actually line up with I think the
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: plan and the will of God for all of our lives.
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: What would you say to like the younger generations, right,
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: Like you know, recently I saw the NL Shop had
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: sat down with all these men, Kirk Franklin on his show, right,
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: and he's read the Bible, according to him, that's what
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: he said. He said, he read the Bible, but he
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: some things. You know, you got questions about you confused, right,
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: And he was saying like if Jesus was the son
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: of God, right, and God is our thought and Jesus
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: I follow that like that's confusing a little bit to him.
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: Understood what he was saying, you know, But the only
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: response that somebody gave him was to read the Bible again.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: But it's like, yo, in that moment.
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: I felt like that was perfect to teach you know
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Like because even me at thirty three,
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: I've I've been I've been reading the Bible, you know,
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: since I was twenty five, and there are questions that
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: I have. But I'm also just afraid right to question God.
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: And I know we're not supposed to be afraid to
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: question some things, but like questioning God, I was raised like, no,
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: you don't do that, but I'm isn't supposed to be that.
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: You don't question his timing, You don't question like when
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: he does things for you.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: But we're not.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: No, you got a question. How do you find out
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: something if you don't know. I've gone on a spiritual journey.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Shout out to Nli Chopper for reading the Bible. You
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: can come hang with me any day, because what he
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: needs is community, right, need somebody to wrestle with those
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: things with him, not in front of a camera. Like
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: let me be very clear, because as soon as a
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: camera comes on, everybody feels like they got to kind
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: of show that they know, you know what I'm saying.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: And so that's why I think even probably in that interview,
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen the whole thing with what you're talking about,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: but whoever was in there probably didn't say what they
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: believe because the cameras on, and maybe they're still wrestling
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: with it too, like I just want to be. I
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: want everybody to embrace the process of becoming. This notion
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: that you can be forty two years.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Old and know everything.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: That's ridiculous.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: It's the dumbest thing in the world.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: The fact that you can be twenty three or twenty four,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: however Nlit Chopper is, or be seventy. This life is
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: a continued journey of humility, teaching, and learning. And I
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: pray that in NL E has an experience with God
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: that would be undeniable. So the thing about me, and
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: I'll just tell my personal testimony, there's still things as
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: a pastor of a church that I'm like, God, I'm confused,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: like I need I need, And most pastors wouldn't say
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: that because if you say that, then it's like, why
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: am I listening to you? Like there's a lot of
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: stuff I do know though, And the truth of the
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: matter is anybody that says they know everything, Like any
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: father that tells me he knows how to bear in
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: his kids fully, he's a liar.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Any any CEO that tells you I know exactly what
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: to do in business, they're a liar.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: In every other trade.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: You respect the fact that somebody doesn't know everything and
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: is willing to learn, But when it becomes to a
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: pastor or a leader in the faith, it's like they
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: need to know everything only Jesus, only Jesus.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's about it y'all needing to know everything.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: I think they want to make sure your action is
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: lined up with what you're well.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: The truth of the matter is that has to be
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: how we live. Like that has to be how we
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: live because and the truth of the matter, you don't
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: see fathers being who they're supposed to be here in
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: marriages and you don't.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, name me one.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Vocation that everybody in that vocation is doing it right.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: And so I pray for those people and I pray
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: for them like I could be one of them. So
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: that's the thing where grace and mercy and love comes in,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: because like I rock with people who messed up and
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: they did eight things right and two things wrong, because
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: the Bible tells us he's like, hey, those of you
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: who are godly, I need you to restore those people
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: lovingly lest you be one to fall in temptation and
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: fall yourself.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: And that's my heart behind it. And I think that.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: More people need to wrestle with those questions with the
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: same people, not on podcaster or video chats or streams.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: They need to go sit in a room with somebody
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: and find out because there are answers there. But the
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: thing that changed me is my experience. So everybody's trying
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: to do it here, and it has to happen here.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: It has to happen out of the heart flowed the
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: issues of life, and most people will stay close enough
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: to God to get an understanding, but not close enough
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: to have an experience. And there's one thing that you
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: cannot take away from anybody is their own experience. When
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: you heard a song and it made you cry, it
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: don't matter if everybody else says that song is.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Whack to you.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: You had an experience, And y'all can say this, But
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: every time I feel like this when I play that song,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: you understand what I'm saying. There have been times where
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: I've been in my room, lonely, depressed and I felt
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: God come and speak to me and give me hope
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: and give me encouragement, and a tear fell down my eye.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: As an eight on at aneagram, I barely ever cried
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: like that type of stuff.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I had experiences when I was about.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: To go cheat, and when I was about to and
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: God said turn around now, like hold on, wait, like
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: turn around now, turn around now, I.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Knew that wasn't me because me wanted to go like.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I had experiences when God told me that he would
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: use my voice to help me.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Millions of people find him.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: But I wouldn't have to cop out and be whack,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: and I could be myself who he called me to be,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: like I'm nobody can steal that from me. And so
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: the truth of the matter is it may not make
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: sense to everybody in their head, but what does Everybody
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: uses Wi Fi right now and doesn't know how it works.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Don't even know where it comes from.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Don't even know where it comes from.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, average person use his WiFi every day, knows
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: how to connect, but has no idea how it works.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Nobody knows how the microwave works. Nobody knows how their
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: car works, but they use it. Why then, when it
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: comes to you can look at the world and see
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: God in everything. Why do you have to understand every
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: single thing to believe it. There's so much evidence all
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: around the fact that a man and a woman can
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: come together and have sex and that baby.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Do you know how many things would have to go.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Perfectly right for it to come out with your eyes
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: and their nose and their skin complexion and look like
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: your granddaddy. This is the majestic, amazing, all inspiring.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: God we serve. It's just too good. It's just. And
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: then my other question is what else you're gonna believe in?
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Where else should we go?
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Like the disciples said, like, there are other options, but
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: none of them have this much proof. And so for me,
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: anybody listening right now, I just encourage you to go
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: on a journey. I encourage you to question. I think
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: the generation before did not question because of fear of
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: being rebellious, and that fear of being rebellious meant sin,
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: not trying to find an understanding. But the Bible says
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: in all you're getting getting understanding. And so I think
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: that there are things that you can go after. And
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: God is so loving that he'll show you himself.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: Even when I heard Emily Choppers say that I've always
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: innately felt that way.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Right, if God is my father, then Jesus would be
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: my brother.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: And you look at scriptures like Romans eight twenty nine
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: that said, for those God for new He also pre
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: death preds conformed to the image of his son, that
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: he might be the first born among many brothers and sisters. Yeah,
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: and then I think it was John twenty seventeen years
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: Jesus tells Mary Magdalene to go to my brothers and
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: say to them, I am ascending to.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: My father and your father, to my God and your God.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: I've always said, if I'm one of God's children and
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Jesus must have been my brother, that's I've always felt.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so that's where you have to go deeper.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: And I'm grateful to this conversation with you. You got
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: myself phone number, I got yours, Like, let's talk because
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: it's a theological understanding of the Trinity of God being
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: all three in one and most people don't understand that.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: They don't understand confused. That's where you.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Get confused, and we can walk through that. And I
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: did a series on our our church, Transformation Church, called
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: The Upgrade, and it talks about the Holy Spirit. I
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: basically gave the analogy that if you went into a
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: beautiful hotel and you pay for the basic room and
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: the person said to you, it's like, hey, for free.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: You can have the upgrade, would you take it? And
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: everybody would like, I'll give you to Well, that's the
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: same thing in the Christian faith is that many people
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: stop at just Jesus saving them. But Jesus says before
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: he leaves to be crucified, he tells the disciples, Hey,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: it's better for me that I do go, because when
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: I go, then another expression of Me gets to show
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: it up, called the Holy Spirit. And when the Holy
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Spirit comes, he's the one that's gonna lead you into
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: all truth. He's the one that's gonna guide you. He's
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: gonna be the paraclet parabole, which means he or the periclet,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: the one that walk alongside of you to help you
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: in your daily life. And that's where the different forms
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: of God begin to show up for believers.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: And so I'll walk you through it, brother.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: But the Trinity is how God is all God, but
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: He becomes man to be able to be the sacrifice
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: for all of us so that we can be able
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: to get back to the Father.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: See that is confusing.
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: That's why you have to see you and you have
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: to also be open to learning as well.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: And I am and I.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: Feel like Chopa was you know, is it's just that
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: nobody was there to really give him that because he's
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: like yo again.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: But reading reading don't mean you comprehend that.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. The understanding of it. Number one.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: If I was to come here and explain to you
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: a geometry problem, we would not get it in this session.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: And people are asking complex questions without basic concepts, So
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: it's very difficult for in a sound bite for somebody
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: to give do you understand what I'm saying? And so, well,
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: that's where I would just say that if those people
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: are really on and if anybody is really on a truth,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: be willing to go on the journey for longer than
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: three minutes.
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: For sure, because either Jesus is our brother, well, God
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: is our grandfather, and I know God don't want to
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: be called grand head.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: And so all I'm saying is, let's go on the
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: journey together for understanding. Because those who seek wisdom, those
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: will who seek it will actually find it. And that
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: is where I think a lot of people just don't
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: have a seek more beyond the quick viral moment, and
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: we gotta go the great things in life everybody knows
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: are the things that you actually put actual intention, time,
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: effort and energy.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Sure, now let's talk about this as we outside of this. Yeah,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: we outside talk about this tour seventeen cities.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: So myself Transformation Worship, which is a collective of artists
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: from our church in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Shout out to Transformation
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Nation and Tod Tribbit, Kiera Shear Jonathan Mcreynold's I mean
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: when I tell you the level of singing, the level
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: of anointing, the level of just church that happens every night.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: We just finished our first week, and y'all it's crazy.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: It's so absolutely nuts.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: If you want to see what Heaven's gonna look like
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: before you get there, you gotta pull up to the
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: wee outside tour. We're actually gonna be here in Brooklyn
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: on I believe the sixteenth. The sixteenth will be at
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: the Paramount Theater and I'm telling you, tickets are going crazy.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: People are enjoying and it's just a night of encouragement,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Kingdom people coming together and we want everybody to come out.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: It's beautiful.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, this is what people need.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: How did the different x come together? How was Ti
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: Tribit Schowsen? How were you chosen how it was.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Kish So this this is TI Tribute's tour. Okay. So
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Tye hit me up.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: He actually came to our church in Tulsa, Oklahoma a
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: year ago, year and a half ago, and and we
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: got on the stage together. I'm a music producer before
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: I was a pastor, so most people don't know. I've
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: worked with a lot of different people. But God said, yeah,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: stop that, and I'm gonna teach you something different. And
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: so I thought the music thing was over. And then
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: a few years ago we started making some music. Tie
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: came and he was like, Bro, this is crazy, and
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, we're just trying to do our thing.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: He was like, if I go on tour again, I
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: want you all to come. And he's a man of
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: his word. He hit me up and he was like, Bro,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: bring transformation Worship outside with me. Let's do this tour
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: in the fall. And this is my first time being
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: on tour with this team. And usually I'm preaching places
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: and traveling all the other stuff. But it's been really fun, man,
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: to just get up there and praise the God that
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: transformed my life and bring other people along with me.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: And so if you want to turn up. You gotta
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: come out. All y'all are invited personally. Yeah, and you
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: saying for sure, Jess, But I'm telling you, on the sixteenth,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna have a seat with your name on it.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I'm the one that's.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Going to come.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm the only one day i'n go out with shot.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Bring your six kids. Envy that I got six. I
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: got six, I got you. I'll pay for them because
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: that's seven.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Actually, Okay, it's on me.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: If everybody wants to come, I will make sure you
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: are there taking care of I want people to experience
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: this because a lot of times people actually don't think
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: you can have fun. You can actually have excitement, you
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: can actually have joy in that type of context. But
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, as soon as you come up, as
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: soon as you come in, it's a whole different level.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: We're doing it at the Paramount here in Brooklyn. Yeah,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: the last place that we need. Now watch this, Watch this,
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Watch this. This is a live nation thing. Charlottagne's messy,
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: but this is a live nation thing. Yeah, this is
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: a live nation thing. And this is the thing that
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: I need everybody to know. Some of these venues have
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: contracts that they have to sell alcohol and do all
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: these different things. And so at our last spot in Atlanta,
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: I think they had drinks and everything, and the people
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: who participated participated, and.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: The people who do and didn't. Temptation is gonna be everywhere.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: So if you got to say Hallelujah with the drink
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: in your hand, God bless you.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: But that's not what we're promoting.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: But we're not saying for anybody to not come, because
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: that's something that you do.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: And when Jesus did turn the water to wine to
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: the one, I know nobody ever talked about that part.
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  Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Nobody about it? Yeah, I think they probably. I think
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I think it was gone. Yeah.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I want to ask.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: You're one of the few pastors who really speak the
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: language of coaching, right, where's the line between relevance and
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: reverence for you?
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: So the line is at the conviction. I I really
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: have a relationship with God where he will correct me
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: and convict me. And I have a relationship with people
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: who have to sit down and shut up card in
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: my life and most people, when they get to certain levels,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: nobody can tell them nothing.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: But I have a wife.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Shout out to my wife Natalie, who is the greatest
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: gift that God ever gave me. I met my wife
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: when I was fifteen years old and we've been together
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: for twenty three years, married, fifteen, four kids later. And
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: she's the only woman that sees me fully. And when
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: I say fully, she sees my insecurity, she sees my fault,
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: she sees my lax she sees my successes. And God
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: gave her to me to be a mirror. She don't
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: care about none of this. She don't care about anything.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: She cares that I am a man of God and
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: I do what I say. And so first off, if
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: I'm coming home laying next to that every night, that's
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: a lot. Hey, Mike, that was too far for real. Hey,
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: you shouldn't have said that. Oh dang, I thought that. Like,
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: so I had people like that in my life, and
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: that's just she's the main one, but I have several others,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: and so I approach everything with reverence.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I think that.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Sometimes people get confused though, the way people present some
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: thing with being irreverent, just because it's different. And one
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: of the things that I know for me is like
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: I would be this way if I was an Amazon
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: truck driver.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I would like close.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I would, I would, I would listen to music, I
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: would do different like and God doesn't bless who you
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: pretend to be.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: He blesses who you really are.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: And so for me, it's like God's changed me every
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: part of my life throughout this journey, and He's continuing.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: To change me. That's why I lead a church called
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Transformation Church.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: I will not be the same this time next year,
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: something in me will have changed, and perfectly something in
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: you would have changed. And that's why a lot of
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: time we take snapshots of people in their life and
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: we keep them there. But please make sure you're running
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: a movie on me, because I'm going to keep changing you.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, three years ago, I was two hundred and.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Seventy five pounds.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Stop blind, I am not playing with you, Jess. I'll
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: give you one hundred and seventy five pound. I was
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: hiding it in them three x four x supreme.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I was flying. You couldn't tell. But then God convicted me.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: He said, how are you gonna tell these people to
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: live right? And you are going to commit sin every
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: day with your fork? Nobody talks about it, Nobody talks
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: about donuts. That was me because the truth of the
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: matter is I was sinning, not with a woman.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I was sinning with a.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Donut and everything. Hey, listen, I'm telling you. I'm telling
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: you people, it's funny.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: But the truth of the matter is people are out
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: here judging other people for lyon and committing adultery, and
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: they's doing it all while committing sin. Like food was
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: meant for us to be nourished to fulfill God's plan,
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: not to become something to give us peace when we
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: need to go to him for peace.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: And so again, and that conviction came to.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Me, and God was like, I don't want you to
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: say nothing until you get your life in order. And
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: so I turned my garage into a gym. I heard
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: a personal trainer. Me and my wife work out every
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: day together, and I've lost sixty pounds.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: My wife findal and she ever been in her whole life. God,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I thank you.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: And what I'm saying is, but it came because I
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: got convicted, like and so and again. We all miss
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: the mark. Everybody misses the mark and falls short of
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: the glory of God. But we all got to keep trying.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: You know what.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, I was two seventy five, that's Okay, that's crazy,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeah, but yeah, and I'm.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Not like like, yeah, it was under it was under,
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: it was under there. He not big a shit, but
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: he BigGAN that God doesn't bless who you pretend to be.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: He blessing who you really are. I do not because though,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: but but he doesn't. But don't smoke it on. So
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: what are you going with there?
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: For?
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Hey, listen, don't judge her. Listen, you can cuss around me.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: You're still shitting' why. I'm gonna tell your mama why
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: what would your mama say? This is religion, same thing
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: you said, but speaking this is religion.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: What's happening right now is religion.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Religion says that I'm doing something because of who's around.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: I'm doing something because of how it makes me look.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: I'm doing something because of how I want you to
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: view me. If that's not who you really are, it
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: can never change. And so for me, I tell people
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: all the time, if you cuss cuss around me, something
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: in me, though. My prayer is we spend enough time
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: together would allow you to see that that's not the
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: type of language that you have to use to get
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: your point across. But if that's what you choose. I
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: would still rather be connected to you and have access
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: to you and love you and be able to be
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: an answer to your problems then to be disconnected because
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: you cussed.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: Right now, I draw the line, I don't do none
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: of it around me.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Some stiff you can't do around me.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, there are tons of things you can't do
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: around me, just for the reasons of what I'm trying
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: to listen. But the truth of the matter is sometimes
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: we use those things and we act like that's a
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: God thing and it's actually your personal thing, Like stop
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: putting everything on God and say like, I don't like
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: when you cuss around me, like hey.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: But certainly of respect though around your mama, some people
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: do depending on who your mama is.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: And what I'm saying is if you don't do it
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: around your mama, but you do it around everybody else,
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: you're a faker.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: And what happens, what I'm saying is you're disintegrated. You
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: are learning and practicing being different people, and there are
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: too many people. Why depression is on high while people
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: are dealing with anxiety because they forget who they have
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: to show up as.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: So every room I walk into, I show up as myself.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I don't have to change. I live a whole life.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Most people, depending on who watched it, the bishop walks in,
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: the CEO walks in, oh, celebrity walks in. They are
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: trying to figure out who do I need to be
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: right now?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: So if you curse in front of your friends, you
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: should curse from of your mom or your figure. Yes,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: well this is the thing, this is the thing, but
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: with my but yes, that's.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: So. The truth of the matter is because there's a
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: reason why she didn't want you to talk like that,
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: and you're choosing to go beyond that because I'm.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Gonna live my own life. It's your own personal convictions.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying that I'd rather you be the same
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: way so that God could actually change you instead of
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: him having to find which version of you you going
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: to be today.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: The conditioning our conviction, and what I mean by that is,
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: as just said, we're all conditioned to not talk like
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: that in front of all parents for the most part, right,
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: So conditioning our conviction.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Because I don't curs in front of my mom just
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: because I know she ain't going for.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: It again, I think it could actually be the it's conditioning,
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: like you know that for especially in the black household,
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Like there's certain things you don't do here, but wait
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: till y'all kids start doing it.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Do you let your kids cuss in front of you?
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: God?
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Damn, I mean, oh my god, not you? What do
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: you say?
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: No?
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: No, I don't. Do you let your kids cut in
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: front of you? Hell o?
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: No?
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Do you let your kids cut in front of you?
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: No?
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: But I have asked my seventeen year old when she
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: was younger sixty, I said, do you curse?
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: And she was like yes, So all of you know,
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: can I just be as your brother, you're living in
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: a state of delusion. Watch watch, because you literally are
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: doing the same thing your parents.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Did to you.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: You've been conditioned, and you know your kids are doing
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: the same thing you're doing.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: But for respect purposes, you.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Would rather not teach them how to have a stronger
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: vocabulary or teach them a reason why they cuss or
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: You would rather just be a secret from you and
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: just don't do it around me.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: But then you could go online and see them cussing
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: out people and listen, all of y'all are like, it's
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: a respect thing, and it's like all we're doing is
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: keeping the cycle going. We're not changing language, we're not
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: increasing vocabulary, we're not giving reasons or even understanding reasons
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: why they're doing it. All we're doing is creating a
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: barrier for them to be inauthentic around us. And so
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: most parents are not the people their kids go to
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: when they're in need because there's all of these micro
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: fake things that we put up around ourselves. So when
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: I'm really struggling, I'm not coming to you because I
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: can't be real because I'm pissed that these people did
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: it and I need to cuss to whoever i'm talking
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: to right now, and I can't cuss to my parents
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: because it's disrespectful. So I got hurt and I'm pissed
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: and I'm mad, and I can't do this, and we
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: condition them to do that. So all I'm saying to
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: you is like, it's delusional our mom. I don't know,
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: but I'm just saying. I'm saying, these are the cycle.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: In my mind, though they ask permission, if it's something
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: like permission to curse, and then they curse, but it's
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: a form of respect in my point, just like my
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: kids don't say brough to me, my son is not
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: bru friend. You got to check that that's their dialect.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: But because he does call me bruh and calls his
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: friend brou, that don't mean he's being fake. That just respect.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: And when I speak to my dad or I speak
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: to somebody older, I say yes sir, yes ma'am.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: But I don't call just ma'am.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: Right, Okay, it's a different level of respect. So let
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: me ask this question.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I have to say that you're a fake person.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying is I think that again, these are
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: the conversations that we have to have in culture, that
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: we are creating what we hate, Like these are the
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: type of things that I wish when I was struggling
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: with certain things, I felt comfortable enough to go to
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: my parents. And it's all of these small I mean,
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: I'm getting schooled by people who don't know nothing and
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: don't love me. Because if I do tell my parents
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: what's really going on, I'm gonna get my tail whooped
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: like and it's a form of And again, I don't
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: know if the black community is ready to have these
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: conversations because a lot of times, like we we we
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: perpetuate what actually causes the trauma in our families. And
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying that if your kids cuss and it's
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: a respect thing, you know, they cussing at somebody else's mama.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: Sometimes they might not cuss to you. And you're saying that,
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: but that police officer that told them something and they
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: didn't like you, get the f off me and da
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: da da, that's somebody else's mama. I'm just saying, we
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: are conditioning our people, and I would rather know where
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: my kids are and having those conversations. And again, this
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: is deeper because it comes down to you how you.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Want to raise your own family.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: So I'm not I don't understand what I'm saying, but
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: I do think that it came from you cussing in
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: front of me and a lot of people, those are
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: the things that we do that are religious, like we
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: say that's bad, but then cussing out our wife is
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: not like whoa wait a minute, you cussed in front
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: of me, not even at me, but you will cuss
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: the person who loves you, picks up your stinky draws
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: and has forgiven you six times you cuss them out
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: in front of your kids.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: I do I don't disagree with you, But I feel
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: like we're kind of conflicting two issues. And what I
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: mean by that is when my kids, when my daughter
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: should be eighteen next year, she curves in front of me.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't care.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: You're just talking about in the season that you're raising her.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Absolutely love and I get it.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: And I also think that dang, I think I lost
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: my mother. Point. Oh I did mother point.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: It's all right, But that is in the season that
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I do believe.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: The Bible says trained a child in the way they
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: should go, so when they get old, they won't depart
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: from it. It's not just what you say, though, it
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: is what you do. You're training them both ways. So
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: if you're teaching your children or teaching anybody, hey, you
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: can do this, just don't do it around me. Is
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: that really what we're trying to teach them?
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: I'm just teaching them that everything there's a season for everything.
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: You turn eighteen, you're an adult. Now you can have
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: a kind of the other thing I was going to
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: say is I don't think oh, that's that was what
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: I was talking about. I don't think cursing is a
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: barrier that keeps children from wanting to be open with you.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: I think that you.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: Just want to establish a level of trust to where
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: they feel like they can talk to you about anything.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Having a curse keeps that.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: I think the way that some parents act when their
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: kids say things they hear their parents say does create barriers.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna just leave it at that.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: I would you think I counsel and work with a
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: lot of people that do not have healthy relationships with
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: their parents.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: You act like this over a curse word. Imagine how
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: you act if I tell you I'm having sex.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: Or I'm a lesbian, or I try these drugs or
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: getting over over Damn, I get it.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not talking to you.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I'm just saying from the other side
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: of helping a lot of people's kids who are adults
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: that are thirty three and thirty five and forty two
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: and at grave sites forgiving their parents because of how
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: they didn't have interaction with them. I'm just saying, like
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: I would, Yeah, I would do it a little different.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I want I want to ask you, Mike path
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: to Todd about this. They said Pastor Michael Todd slammed
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: for distracting outfit during sermon on faith, and they said
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: you had on what was considered feminine preaching attire.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: You have no dress.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: So I was gonna ask, when clips of your sermons
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: go viral, sometimes I guess for the wrong reasons.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: How do you handle being misinterpret what's feminine about this?
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: You tell me, Bro, it's it's black slacks, wide leg
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: that's in tring. It's a black shirt, and it's a
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: cropped leather top, and it's and it's got Chelsea boots
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: on that are yellow.
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: So they didn't know you had that shape.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: And the thing is, nobody said anything to me when
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: my belly was literally folding over my belt, I was
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: more holy than like, but but but but because I
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: got fit and healthy and I can wear larger medium,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: now it's feminine.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: It's the culture we live in.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: Like, you know what I'm saying, Like, the truth of
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: the matter is to play ball at this level, there's
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: going to be opinions and pressure.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: How do you take people seriously with that?
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: But they forget your word, but they look at I'm like,
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: well that The first thing I thought was I want
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: to go hear what you're talking about.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Bro.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Literally, I'm like I want to go hear the word.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: And again that's part of the reason why I have critics,
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: and anybody that decides to do anything other than stay
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: in the house will have critics. And it's part of
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: the process that God allows me to endure to be
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: more like him.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I pray for all those people. Now that's the hard part.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: The hard part is seeing christ Man six sixty six
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: say something about me and having to be like God,
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: I thank you Father, whatever made him post that comment
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: or say that I think you that you would heal
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: his heart and give him the ability to have grace
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: and capacity for other people. Like that's hardy and and
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: but that's what the Bible tells us to do. That's
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: like love your enemy, pray for them, pray for those
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  Speaker 4: who despitefully use you.
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  Speaker 1: These people don't know me.
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  Speaker 4: And the truth of the matter of the reason I
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: wore this is because my wife told me she liked it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: like literally that morning, my wife was like, I like
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  Speaker 4: that one. It was between this one and this one,
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: and she was like, I like that one. So the
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: crazy thing is like those are just things to distract you.
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  Speaker 4: And for me, I have to stay focused and I
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: have too much to do in this world and to
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: be put off by that?
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: Is it wrong to be inspired by, you know, the
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: word of another preacher Because a lot of people, right,
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: they think if they go to church and they hear
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: one one person say this and preach their sermon this
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  Speaker 6: way or whatever whatever, and then they go and they
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: see somebody else say it, then it's stealing, I says,
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: and a rap song.
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  Speaker 4: No, you know, well if that's if that's the case,
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: then we're stealing from Paul John, them from David. We're
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: still no. The gospel is meant to be shared. And
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: the only reason that people try to corner the market
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: on something is because they're insecure that they'll ever get
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: anything else. The truth of the matter is that protection
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  Speaker 4: of like I said it like this, I said it
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  Speaker 4: like that, Like if the whole goal is that the
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  Speaker 4: gospel of Jesus Christ be proclaimed so that everybody would
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  Speaker 4: know about him. If you don't know how to talk
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: a certain way, please use my words and tell them
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  Speaker 4: if that helped you help them with it, like this
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: is the Kingdom of God. And again, because the Kingdom
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: and a lot of areas has been turned into an
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: organization instead of an organism, like then people are like,
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: now it's my you know, my property and my this,
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: and I said it like this, and it's like, yo,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: I tell young preachers all the time, take my stuff. Yeah,
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: preach it exactly, how ippreach it? We have people do
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: it all the time. I send people my notes like yeah,
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: what are you talking about?
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Like this is the inspired word of God.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: Like there are certain lines like if I put it
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: in a book and say it a certain way, and
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: the company I'm partnering with has a contract that it
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: has to be said.
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  Speaker 1: You can't take that.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: But like my message is and like how I said it,
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: like just my only thing is do it better?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Now would you like them to credit you at
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: least this?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Awesome?
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: But I mean how many of us wear clothes that
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: was inspired by somebody you saw on Instagram.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: And we don't credit them And it's like, oh, that
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: fit is crazy.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: I'm a and so yeah, like everybody wants to be recognized,
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: everybody wants credit. But for me, I know it's gonna
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: happen because of the level that God has raised my
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: platform too for whatever reason, that somebody's gonna take that stuff,
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: and my prayer is that it helps them the way
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: it helped you.
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw them accuse you of taking some passive
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: sermon word for word.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: I didn't listen to it, but I'm like, it's the word.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: It's the word, bro.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: And if somebody, if somebody's breaking something down in a
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: way that makes me understand, Like y'all just said, a
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: lot of this stuff is confusing, a lot of this
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: stuff is we gotta figure it out. So if somebody
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: gets a revelation or gets understanding or it's like oh,
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: it's like yes, copy paste, like tell some other people.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: And this is the other thing that everybody has to remember.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: How you say it will be different because you have
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: different oil than them, Like there's a different thing on
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: your life than what they have on their life. I
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: think I heard Sarah Jake say it a couple days
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: ago that that like, you can take the recipe, you
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: can take you can take the plans, but when we
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: do it, because it's different, y s and so and so,
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: that's oh, she is a beast. Her and Terrey are
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: doing an amazing job in Dallas, and again it's Kingdom.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: So I went to their installation service.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: I didn't preach at my church and went there because
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: people need to see this is not about one thing.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: This is about the Kingdom of God. And so yeah, man,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I for everybody.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: PSA.
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  Speaker 4: If you hear pastor Mike prease something or something and
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: you feel like it could help your Bible study or
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: your youth group or your big church or little church,
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: you can use that man, help people get to Jesus.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: There you go.
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  Speaker 5: I got one more question. I think that sermon by
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: Sarah James was called get out of your Way. I
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: think that's what it was that was last week, get
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: out of your way? But what's one area in your
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: life where God is still stretching.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Me Jesus still stretching me. What area is He not
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: stretching me?
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: I think the one thing that you got to realize
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: about this walk with crisis is never over until we
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: get to heaven. And a lot of people are looking
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: for a season where it doesn't feel like growth because
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: growth actually is hard, like it's readjusting.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: It's all though.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: So I would say an area that God's still stretching
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: me in is the area of communication with the people
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: I love. Like I know how to communicate really well
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: to masses of people, but the nuance of communicating in
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: the languages that the people I love need, specifically my wife.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: Me and my wife, we believe in theology and therapy,
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: so we go to therapy and we do intensives every year.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: This year we've done two already and December eighth, I'll
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: be back again. And these are like four five days straight,
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: three hours a day therapy. And because we got to
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: we gotta figure out how we work and then figure
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: out how to change the things that don't work. And
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: I can realize and admit that some of my conversations
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: with my wife and people that are around me could
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: have more compassion and have more empathy in them. And
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: that's an area that God stretching me, like he's saying, yet,
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: you said it, but you could be more skillful. And
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: for me, that's such a dig for even me. I
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: live transparent, So I'm saying it out loud and y'all
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: can tell it's real, because for somebody who communicates all
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: the time and has a pretty high success rate of
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: getting my points across, it's like I have to take
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: more time to think about how I'm saying something, not
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: just what I want you to hear me say.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: And I'm trying to figure bro and I can tell
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: you not because you sweat you hear me like it's
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: real for me.
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: And the reason that I'm so honest about it is
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: because again, God doesn't pless who you pretend to be.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: He blesses who you really are.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: And so my goal is to become more skillful at
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: communicating my heart and not just getting it said, but
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: thinking about how the people I love feel on the
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: other side of what I say, because the truth of
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: the matter is what I say is temporary. How it
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: makes you feel that's a lot longer, and I need
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: to make sure that I'm not I'm not damaging the
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: most precious thing in my life. And so yeah, that's
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: that love you right time.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Outside. Y'all know you had a book that dropped in
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: February too.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: Oh man, yo, I got a movie. No, no, y'all
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: missing everything y'all late. Let me tell y'all was about
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: to happen. Let me catch you up. We got a
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: brand new movie about to come out called Relationship Goals,
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: the movie with Amazon starring Kelly Rowland and Method Man.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: What it's based off.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: My book that I came up here and Mitchell, Yeah, bro,
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: we just finished it. It's coming out February fourth. I'm
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: coming back to do a whole thing.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: But they just announced the release date.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: I couldn't talk about it until now, and so but
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: I wrote a thankfully a New York Times best selling
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: book called Relationship Goals, How to Win at Marriage, Dating
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: and Sex.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: I wrote that in twenty twenty.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: That same year, Devon Franklin called me and was like,
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: have you ever thought about this being a movie? I say,
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm a man of crazy faith. I had
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: already written it out. I had already before you called me.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: The characters, the names, the everything, and uh, it's so crazy.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: It's happening. Amazon paid me to do the movie and
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: it comes out on February fourth, right before Valentine's Day.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: It's gonna be so wick. Thank you so much, man.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: And so that's happening. We outside tour, and then Transformation
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: Worship just dropped the new album called Faith in the Fire.
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: It's on all streaming platforms. It's got some really good
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: music on it, and so I want you to go
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: check that out. And so yeah, we we outside. So
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: God didn't let it on your heart to let me
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: audition you. You could actually be in Relationship Goals to you. Okay,
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: all right, so you heard it here.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: First, make sure all your stars are baptized.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: All the stars one baptized. Don't miss one.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: Hey, listen, man, it's progression, not perfect. We need to
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: hang out, Yes, we need yeah, because we gotta. You
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: gotta meet my wife.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: We gotta, yeah, we gotta.
• 56:58
  Speaker 6: Yes, you know, he is a crazy and faith to.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: I got you. Yeah, let's do it. But he's more black.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: All right, we're praying. Father. I thank you for this day.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: I thank you for the opportunity to share with my
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: brothers and sister. I thank you for all the things
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: that you're doing in each of our lives and all
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: the lives of the listeners today. God, I thank you
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: that we all go on a journey of progression. Faith
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: is something that we actually know is real, but it's
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: something we all have to discover. And so I thank
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: you that you would allow everybody that's in this room
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: and that's listening to have an experience with you that
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: would be undeniable.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I thank you Father.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: As people are getting furloughed right now and going through
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: situations that are literally unimaginable in America, I thank you,
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: Father God that you would be peace that their understanding,
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: make ways out of no way, do things that no
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: man could do.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Father God. With man, it's impossible, but with God it
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: is possible.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Today, Father God, I'm thinking that all things are working
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: together for the good of those who are called and
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: that love you and Father. If somebody does not know you,
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: if somebody has been far from you, Father, thank you
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: that your love, even through this.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Interview, is drawing them back home.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: I thank you for transformation that happen in people's lives,
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: and I think you that people would get to know
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: the way, the truth and the life Jesus.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: In Jesus' name, we pray. Amen.
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: Amen.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: It's love man every time.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: All right, appreciate y'all.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Man. It's the breakfast Club. Good morning, every day. Ago,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Breakfast Club.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: Finish for y'all. Done,