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We're Not Saving Lives...Relax · Obnoxiously Pleasant

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome back, everyone, to another episode of Obnoxiously Pleasant.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that Lita is in it now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: You love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so today I wanted to talk about something that's been bugging the shit out of me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: By the way, I didn't do anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't plan.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: And this is all Hanaan's episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's go, Hanan.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Be part of me.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna pause here for the fanfare.
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  SPEAKER_00: I actually did work.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's do it.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_03: Let's do it.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so, anyways, I want to talk about something that's actually been bugging me for quite some time.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_03: This manufactured urgency, right?
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_03: In corporate America.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_03: Like in everywhere.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like, but it's specifically in corporate America.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_03: And corporate America being like in any job that is like under a corporation, right?
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_03: Like, how many of us have had their weekends ruined by a message that comes on Teams or Slack or Google Meets or whatever at like four o'clock or 4 30 on a Friday?
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_03: I need these things or WhatsApp.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_03: I need these things from you.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Do you need these things from me?
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like we're about to be out for the weekend.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: What are you gonna do with it on Saturday?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I like for me, I get it, like my job, but still.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: But still, like, is it really like I always say, We're not saving lives?
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is what I always say.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like, everyone's freaking out and going crazy at work, and I'm like, we're not saving lives.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, can we just do exactly?
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_03: But that's essentially the topic of today's episode, exactly what Lena's just saying.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what is this manufactured urgency, right?
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so I just okay.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_03: So if I had to ask you a question, Lena, and like we'll both have some way, how do you define like fake urgency in your like in your opinion, in your own words?
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_03: What is this fake, how do you define fake urgency?
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_03: Because I have a good definition for it, but you tell me yours.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you're gonna put me on the spot.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um like okay, like something happens, like in my field, like there's a breaking news situation, right?
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, my issue is it really isn't that urgent with all of the things that are happening in the world.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we have to prioritize.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think the problem is there's a lack of uh uh of like deciding or picking or figuring out what really deserves for us to completely destroy the schedule, because I work on the schedule and just completely obliterate it and having to just change everything for something, is it really worth it?
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think that idea of um like people like just tend to freak out because we want to do this.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_03: So basically, you would define urgency, fake urgency as like you know it's really it's really not not but if I had but you have to do it.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_03: Like, is it is it like how do you define fake urgency?
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like, think about it.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like I understand what you're saying, but like I don't have like a specific word or phrase to describe it, but like it just in my field, I'm like it's not that's not something we need to cover.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's not something we need to like like just prioritizing.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean the lack, like you have to figure out like I'm okay.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I'm saying?
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I see what you're saying.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_03: I think what I if I were if I could kind of gather what you were saying into one specific, I guess, statement, right?
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_03: Is like you look at it as urgency inflation.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, that's a great way to put it.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_03: Clearly, I'm not in it today, but no, it's okay, but urgency inflation, because I look at it in the same way.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_03: Urgency inflation, like that word gets so overused, right?
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_03: What is actually urgent?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like what is going to make or break something that we're working on?
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_03: And then how do you define like how does what we're working on become so urgent and become so important that you can utilize that to ruin someone's you know time off or ruin someone's weekend?
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_03: So that's like that's how I that's how I uh yeah, I like that.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, urgency inflation.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_03: So like when do you think it because we've both been working for, I know we talk about our age all the time.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_03: Or I do, and Lena hates it.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_03: I do hate it.
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  SPEAKER_03: We've been working for a while, right?
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_03: When did you feel like this became a thing?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_03: Like when did you first notice, like, hey, this is not actually urgent?
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like this is like urgency inflation.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_03: I think the pandemic.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: You think so?
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think when you when we went through the pandemic, like we realized we can do so many things that don't require us to be there.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like we can do it.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you're you're looking at two separate things, right?
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not talking about being in person.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about- It's not even about in person, but I I feel like it kind of slowed things down for everybody.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, like there was there wasn't like it was only the necessary things having to be uh to get done.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like you, I re I think during the pandemic, if it wasn't if you weren't an essential employee, yeah, like things can can can chill.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like you don't have to be so um okay, so I see what you're saying.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_03: You're basically saying like during the pandemic, real urgency was or urgency was actually or really defined, right?
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_03: Like what was important or what was urgent or yeah.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, because like if you like I'm not I I mean some I mean they were saying journalists, some journalists are essential.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: I understand, but no, I think if you're a healthcare worker, you're definitely essential.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_01: And journalism is very important, obviously, because someone needs to report on the news and let's know what's happening.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, but I still think they're like um like healthcare workers, just people working like at the CDC.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, like these are really aside like you you you figured out or you realized what you're doing is not like some people, what they were doing, it's really not like but I agree with you.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like during the pandemic, that that was the people in healthcare, that was their that was their prime time.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_03: Like it was we were going through this is a global problem that's actually we're a global pandemic.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's a disease that's actually killing people.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, I agree with you.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: But I think during that time, I I realized that that's there's some things that are really important.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: Not that serious as I was not serious at all.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, not that serious.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_03: I would say, I would have to say, like, I I don't know if if the pandemic was really the defining moment for me, right?
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_03: I think it was honestly, it was honestly after that.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yes, I agree, I see, I agree with you that like the pandemic was very important.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_03: Like I can see why you're saying what you're saying, but I think it was like for me after that, and I think it came later because you like we were lucky to have lived through that, right?
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like Alhamdulillah, there's I actually know people who died during the pandemic.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's very sad, right?
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_03: But Alhamdulillah, we made it through, and it puts other things than life in perspective.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_03: And I think just even like this past year, end of end of last year, and like losing my dad really shifted my mindset around what is actually urgent, what is so important?
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_03: Because I do remember having this like realization, I think it was like in February sometime, where somebody was like, We need to do this, one of my clients.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, I just like I just did everything and then some and I survived like the death of my father, and like none of this actually matters.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, none of this matters, none of this is urgent, right?
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I and it's like maybe I wouldn't feel exactly the same way had I not gone through like such a life-altering experience because I look at this kind of grief as a life-altering experience, but no, like you it really makes you pause and you're like, this is all some fake ass shit.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like that none of this actually matters.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't care if you need this on Friday at 4 p.m.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_03: That's not gonna change your life, it's not gonna change mine, and it's not gonna be for the betterment of anyone, right?
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_03: So I think that is yes, coming off of that, but I think really having my own personal life altering experience made me realize, like, I really don't give a damn about any of this stuff.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_03: And like I was having a conversation with one of my one of my clients the other day, and I said it really blows my mind how everything is so blown up at work.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_03: Like everything is so just and this this was literally like on Monday or something or Tuesday of this week, um, which is what was I think it was Monday of this week, which is like what gave me the idea for this.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_03: And everyone's like rushing to like update this stuff and do data and whatever.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm just like, no one gives a shit.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_03: Literally, no one gives a question.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no one gives a shit.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_03: You know why no one gives a shit?
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_03: Because there are people out there in the world dying, like there are real problems, and they're not even dying.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_03: There are people who are oppressed, there are people who have real problem.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_03: This is not a real problem.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_03: And so the fact that you're making it so important and so urgent that people can't sleep at night, that somebody's worried about possibly losing their job or whatever, like fake ass shit.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_03: Fake ass shit.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, what's your question?
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: Why are you gonna like what's your question?
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so here's clearly I feel some way about this guy.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I understand, but like for me, I think um my question was do you think there's other factors besides having like life-altering uh situations or whatever?
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think it's also part, is it like age-related, or is it where your position is in the corporate world?
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: Because I feel like as someone who's been at the same company for a very long time, uh what I was like 10 years ago was different than what I was like when I first started with the company and what what what I am like now.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like I feel like where you are sometimes also because like if there's um like if you're disillusioned, yeah, jaded.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like in the beginning, you're like, oh, go get her.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like I think in our 20s it's different, right?
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I I think age might play a small part, it's not all of it.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: Not wrong, yeah.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: But I feel like at this point, in my in my age, I'm just like, listen, I'll do what I have to do.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: I will do what my job description says, right?
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that comes from like if you're not, I feel like if you're not appreciated, also, like you're you're different, your situation is different than mine because you are your own boss.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: So let's let's let's clarify that.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I think when you are your own boss, it's one thing.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: But I understand we're talking about the sense of urgency.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_03: So and then honestly, that's what it comes down to.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_03: Like I see what you're saying, but for me, it's just that's what that's it's just this focus of this the idea of this urgency around these things that in the grand scheme of what we're doing in life, we really don't mean anything.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: And when I stop and I pause and I think about it, I'm like, you are pushing someone to the brink of their sanity.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_03: There's like I see people, you're pushing this person to the brink of like their sanity because you're a poor leader.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_03: So, like, I like that's the other part I wanted to talk about.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I see what you're saying, and I think I think there's other factors, there's a lot of other factors.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I think poor leadership hides behind that urgency.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_03: Like, there are people out there who are poor leaders, right?
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_03: I see it every day.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, every day.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_03: They're poor leaders, so they hide behind that sense of urgency when they don't know what they're doing.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_03: And then I was talking to like one of my one of my friends this morning, and she said, Shout out, Sarah.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_03: She said something really important.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_03: And she said, you know, that you create this fake sense of urgency, and because they don't know what they're doing, they put out all of this, they put this stuff out there, right?
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_03: And they ask you all these questions.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_03: And then when you ask any counter-clarifying question, they're like, Well, you don't know the answer.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_03: What are you talking about right now?
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_03: So I think that's the other thing.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I that's a big very important thing for me that I think has been really highlighted since uh, I would say in the last like three years.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_03: Like, urgency is the it's it is it is literally the the facade for poor leadership.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_03: Like it is the facade is not even the right word.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's like the the cover.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's the cover, it's the cover for poor leadership.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like if you're a poor leader, you're going to push your people with this fake urgency that they have to do all these things because you like don't know what the fuck you're doing and you're a poor planner on all of these things.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_03: That's definitely fair to say.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's definitely fair to say, but I think there's other factors too because like for me, I just like 2020 was probably the turning point for me because I used to give my all.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm giving you what you pay for.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just not, you know?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: And and and but that, but then there is a lot of pressure when you're talking about the urgency.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, we're changing things.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we have to do something different.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_03: But I also think you just said something really important, right?
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_03: Because that's like you like you like hit my next point without even like which is when you said I wouldn't get to give up my all and do all of this.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_03: Fake urgency creates that, right?
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it rewards the wrong behavior.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_03: So because now you're in a place where you're just like, I'm not gonna run when you say run.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not gonna jump, I'm not, you know, when you say jump, I'm not gonna say how high.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_03: That's fake urgency rewards that kind of behavior.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_03: Like the person who reacts the fastest is the bestest, right?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_03: Or is the best.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_03: And then the person who thinks deeply and really wants to give a solution is regarded as the slowest person, therefore, like not important.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_03: So we like literally, like that's kind of where you're going.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_03: You're like, I'm not gonna, when you say jump, I'm not gonna say how high.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I need to know why.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_03: Why are we jumping?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm a difficult employee.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you that right now.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, why are we doing this?
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I got myself in trouble a few times, but yeah, I don't know.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_03: But it's it's not about being difficult or not difficult.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's about if you're gonna tell me to do something and it's important, just tell me why.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, tell me why.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: But there's and and I think each company has its own culture, yeah, you know, like and and and throw and but they all share one thing, Leah.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, people it everybody everybody in the corporate world shares the same thing.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_03: Fake urgency, you guys, I've discovered it's not accidental.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's not accidental.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_03: It keeps the dumb people in power and everyone else in disarray.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_03: And and it's kind of this weird chaos that just keeps working.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I think I I don't know, but I think I do think age and experience has something to do with that too.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think like you're not willing to play ball with certain things, right?
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not willing either.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: But sometimes we don't have a choice because, like, hey, I need the health insurance.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I need this job.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so I think a lot of people, they suffer through this because they have no other choice.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_03: But it takes me, again, you took me to my next point, which is like, no, it's perfect, but like the kind of the kind of of um like the kind of stress this fake urgency plays places on your mental health and well-being and on your physical health and well-being.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_03: Like if you're like you're saying, some people aren't willing to play ball, that's fine.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_03: But at some point, you play ball because you need to play balls.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: No, you have to, absolutely.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: I play ball because I need to pay my bills.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like exactly.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_03: But when you when I stop and think about it, I'm like, you sending someone that that message at 4 30 on a Friday and saying, Oh, we'll talk about this on Monday, right?
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_03: You just ruined their entire two days of rest.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: That literally happened to me like three weeks ago.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_03: Your entire two days of disconnect.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: And this was like three weeks ago.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was at um Raya's uh softball game.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was seven o'clock.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I get a text Friday.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, see what I mean?
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Seven o'clock on a Friday.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, sorry to bother you, but you're not sorry.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: If you were actually sorry, you wouldn't have bothered me.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I responded obviously because it wasn't a big deal, but that whole weekend, constant text messages.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hey, what are we doing?
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Are we doing this?
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Are we doing that?
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, dude, I don't like want to do this, you know?
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: But again, this is you, you it's these little things, it's like microbes.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_03: But then you exactly, but then you said something important.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_03: You're like, oh, I responded, it's not that big of a deal.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_03: But it is a big deal.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_03: It is a big deal.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: No, you know, because I've been so programmed, like, oh, this is not a big deal.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_03: But that's a big but that's it is a big deal.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_03: You are exactly like she's like you literally don't even realize.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you you literally like proving my point, which is like you don't decompress, your brain doesn't turn off, you have a hard time sleeping.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like oh, I do, like my face, like you were doing my makeup, like you gotta work, yeah.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_03: But it's like this this entire this fake urgency, this manufactured fake urgency, like actually manufactures anxiety for us.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like we have problems, right?
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_03: You're like I said, you're you're you're you don't have like a lot of times work is so overwhelming and this fake urgency that you have like it makes you unable or incapable of being present outside of anything else except for that situation, which is terrible.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's awful.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I literally look at like fake urgency.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: I was thinking about it the other day the other day.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, this is like an issue that should be discussed as like a public health issue.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_03: Not even kidding.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like, can you imagine all of the um mental health issues that this fake urgency and constant stress puts on like your nervous system, for example?
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're talking about we're talking about fake urgency in corpor in the corporate world, right?
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like, imagine all the other, like, you know, like Amazon workers, machalam.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like I've heard like horror stories where they don't even have time to go to the bathroom.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, and they're not allowed to unionize, but that's what I'm saying.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like, that's but that's what I mean.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_03: That is at the end of the day, Amazon is what is a corporation.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_03: That is, again, fake urgency.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_03: I don't care if my Amazon driver is like super late with a package because he had to stop and eat and use the bathroom.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like he should, he's a human being.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what exactly what I'm talking about.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_03: Fake urgency, like this, this this thing that just overpowers everything else.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that that's also, I think, the world we live in, like the way it is now.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like everything needs to be right away.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, immediate gratification.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think that has something to do with that too.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not talking about like in general.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: In general, I know we're talking about the corporate world and the fake sense of urgency.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: I totally get it, but I think wherever we are, we have everything, you know, we just press a button and it's there.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: So like I think the whole, the whole culture, like our like you said, our nervous system just kind of I just think it's crazy, honestly.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: When I look at like if I had to, I really want us to talk about like real emergencies.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_03: A real emergency is a car accident where somebody's bleeding out and about to die.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_03: A real urgency is a fire where where firefighters need to go in there and shut that down so it doesn't become bigger.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_03: Like real these are real emergencies, right?
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_03: Surgeons, I guess I wrote this down surgeons, firefighters, uh, EMTs, uh, you know, people working in the ER.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_03: Those people are the people who know what urgent actually means.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like when you're coming in and you are somebody is is has cut their hand on a construction site with a saw and you're saving their ability to use all their fingers again on their hand, or just you're saving their entire hand, that's a real emergency.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: We should all run.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_03: We should all like, you know, that's that's what a real emergency is.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_03: But like in office jobs, almost all office jobs I've discovered, almost all, okay.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_03: And you guys, if you have an office job where this doesn't like affect you, please let me know.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, if something doesn't get done today in an office job, it really doesn't matter.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_03: No, nothing is going to end, nothing is gonna change, nothing is, you know, okay.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_03: The only office job I think is like CPAs on like tax day or something, like accountants when you're filing people's taxes, fine, you guys get a free pass.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_03: But like I thought about it and I was like, no, whatever emails you're working on, they can wait.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever slide decks you're working on, they can wait.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever follow-ups we're doing, we can wait, right?
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_03: I don't like like when I stopped, when I stopped and I really thought about this, and I think I was just really annoyed like this past week and then into Monday.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I have never been in a situation, and I thought about this really hard.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_03: I have never been in a situation in my entire career where when I really sat down and I thought about it, that if I didn't respond to that email, that anything would have happened.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: Like I've never had a real urgent situation in the entirety of my career.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_03: You thought about it, and you I thought about it, and I came to the conclusion that even those times where I was doing something important, nobody would have died.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the world wouldn't have ended.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like yes, it's important.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: Don't, don't I have done a I've done a lot in my life, but nothing, nothing is so do or die.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_03: Even even like when when technology stacks go down or something like that, like just go home, guys.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's not the end of the world.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think this is why a lot of the older generation at work, like they have a problem with Gen Z employees.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Have you like I've been like I've I've come across so many articles where these guys are complaining because Gen Z is like, no, I'm gonna take my lunch break.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: I agree with them.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: I agree with that.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: And like for them, once five o'clock world's around, they're done.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: They took it.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_03: And I and we were just we were also talking about that.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um, uh, I what I love about Gen Z, honestly, is that the work like I feel like we're we have like as Gen Xers, like young Gen Xers, older millennials, right?
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: Because I'm my 1980.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean we are like literally on that cuss.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: I think we've gotten the we've gotten like the worst of both.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the worst of both.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: But like what I love about Gen Z, like I look at my son and I look at like other Gen Zers in my life, and people are like, they're so entitled.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, no, they just don't want to be workhorses like us.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_03: They want to enjoy life, they want to shit.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then they wanna they want to have a good work life balance.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I think like we can shit on them and make fun of them all we want.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: But at the end of the day, yeah, they they're the they're right in this.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I like we have people like listen, I have Gen Z people at work too, and the way they operate is completely different.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's just completely different for us.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think millennials or like like you said, like maybe we're on the cusp, so in between.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: But for us, it's like we're constantly worried, like we have to make sure we're doing this exactly on time, exactly.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's just it's a different mentality altogether.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: But there's a lot of these people who have come, and I have people at work who have complained to me, uh, yeah, they took an one-hour lunch break.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm freaking okay.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_03: Because you know when I thought about it, when I thought about it, I'm like, nothing on a freaking laptop.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_03: If I can close this and walk away from it, does it really matter?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: So let them take their lunch break, let them go have their mental health walk.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: And like they turn off their phones on the weekend.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: Once they get out of the office, they're done.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that is the way to do it.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because corporate, any corporate job is just not worth it.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, not to lose any kind of insanity over.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I don't want to just make this a venting session, okay, right?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: Even though, yes, a lot of this is me venting, but I like also wanted to I guess give some tips that I have been utilizing lately.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, maybe I need those.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: So well, because you what you said earlier when you were like, oh, you know, it's it's nothing.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's nothing.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's no, it is.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_03: So I just like feel like we should just empower ourselves and empower others, right?
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_03: So I like was like, okay, like we need to all like learn how to triage, right?
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: We need to ask ourselves what actually happens if this thing waits?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like what happens?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: Is someone going to die?
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: No one's going to die.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: Are they going to get fired?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_03: No, none of this has happened.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_03: So, like learning to triage.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_03: And then um Setting response time boundaries and protecting them.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's the one that we all have a problem with.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: Remember, I was saying earlier there's just like that 15 minutes after that's fine.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's the policy.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_03: Fine.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_03: If that's your policy, then my policy is that if you send me a message at 4:30 on Friday, I will respond to you at 9 a.m.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: on Monday.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_03: Like that's what I mean.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_03: Setting response time boundaries and protecting them.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_03: And then I um this is where I struggle the most.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, tell me.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_03: So not creating urgency in my response or not perf not doing performative urgency in response back.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_03: Does that make sense?
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_03: Give me an example.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_03: So that even if somebody's like, I need this right now.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's a just I need to be calm.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_03: I need to be deliberate in how I respond.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_03: Even if it feels like I'm I'm not, you know, if it feels out of character for me, like I decided I'm just not doing performative urgency anymore.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: Good for you.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_03: Because I I'm sick and tired of it.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really never, I'm I don't play along with that.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's just for me.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: But I'll tell you something.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: You do and you don't realize it.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: You do.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: You absolutely do.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_03: We all do.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_03: You absolutely do.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_03: No, Lena, you literally said earlier, oh, it's not that big of a deal.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: So I just like responded and it was like 7 p.m.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_03: on a Friday.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_03: No, and then it annoyed you all weekend.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_03: We all do.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_03: We're all guilty of it.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_03: There isn't anybody who doesn't do performative urgency because it's part of this culture.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: To be fair, to be fair, when I responded, it's because it required it involved travel for a specific time.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: Again, it's not like life and obviously.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_03: Again.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: So it's the same thing.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_03: We all do performative urgency.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_03: I don't care what it's around, but we do it when it comes to work because that's part of the culture.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_03: So what we need to do is that we need to start not doing it anymore.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: But don't you think also it's the culture in this country, like the corporate culture in this country?
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Because I feel like other countries, like, you know, don't have as much.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think you'd be surprised.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_03: I think there's a different work-life balance.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_03: That's not what we're talking about.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_03: But I think performative urgency and then manufactured urgency, fake urgency, that's across the board.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_03: That is across the board.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_03: Every people are flying everywhere all over the world to take meetings and whatever.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_03: None of that matters.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, none of that matters.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_03: So I have a friend that works for um one of the big four firms.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_03: And she told me um something really super cool.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_03: Um, she was like they had a calculator um every time somebody asked for a meeting.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_03: And that would calculate the cost and time that would actually like that it would actually require to have this meeting.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_03: And it was one of their like Australian firms did that.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_03: And they would calculate how much money would be spent if we ended up having this meeting in person.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_03: So then people became a lot more aware of is this really serious?
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_03: Do we need to spend all this money to all sit in a room and talk about this?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_03: Probably not.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_03: It could be an email.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_03: That's which I loved.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_03: I thought this was great.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_03: It was pretty good.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_03: And so, like, I, you know, at some point, in order to survive that we have all these, what we all have these jobs, right?
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_03: We all play this game.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: But then I was reading an article about this online, and it was just what volume do you play at?
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_03: And I love that framing.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_03: Because that's it.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_03: You're gonna have to do these things, even though you're like, oh, it's not that big of a deal.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_03: You have to do it.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_03: We all have to do it.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_03: We all we all are subject to this fake urgency and then this perform performative urgency back.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_03: But at what volume do we choose to play?
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_03: I think these things that we were just talking about when I said like triage this for yourself, set response boundaries, things like this, decide what volume you're gonna play at.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_03: Because to be honest with you, like I'm sick and tired of playing at like extreme volume, like max max, yeah, max level, right?
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I think another part of that, that sense of urgency, like something we're dealing with now, is summer is coming and people want their time off.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, oh, but we have so many events happening.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: There's so many things going on, and I'm just like, I don't care.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: I still want my time off.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's also part of it because like it's constantly like like especially in my field, news is never gonna stop.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, okay.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: So you kind of do need to put you need to set those boundaries.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like you said, I don't want to get paid for my hours that I have.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: I want to take my time off.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that's not like for me, I I don't want you to paying for my hours.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: I want to take that time off.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: End of discussion.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's I mean, that's one way.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: See, I'm doing my part.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, you are doing your part.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I draw the line on my PTO.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: I draw the line in my I like that.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_03: I draw the line on my PTO.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I had, I was just putting up my notes for um like kind of like what I what I wanted to like end with, right?
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: Because like I always like to say, like, okay, at least we're gonna have this conversation.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_03: Let's have it mean something.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: So I first of all, like, we're gonna talk about like mind mindset shifts, right?
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_03: I will always now ask myself, what happens if this actually waits?
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like, is it going to be the end of the world?
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_03: Nine times out of ten, the answer is gonna be nothing.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_03: I've discovered the answer is gonna be nothing.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_03: So that helps me, right?
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_03: And hopefully it helps you and then someone else.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like, think of the same thing.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like, nine times out of ten, nothing's gonna happen if you just wait a little bit, right?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then the other thing that I think was really important for me to identify is the fact that the urgency is not my feeling.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: That's the other person's feeling, and they're making me feel that, and it's causing me unnecessary stress.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that's the point that we're making about Gen Z, which I love because they recognize that.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, that's your problem, not mine, right?
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: And it's that like, and the other thing is to keep in mind is that most of these wages aren't even livable wages for a lot of people.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just like, why should why should I feel inclined to partake in this like entire thing when I'm not even getting exactly what I need to survive?
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, and then I also decided the boundary part of this, like drawing your response time boundaries, is something really important.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_03: Like if something comes in after like 5 p.m.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_03: or 6 p.m.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_03: on a weekday, it is is it like I decided to ask myself, is it really worth your nervous system?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'm look, guys, by no means am I good at any of this, but it's practice, right?
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like it takes work, okay, right?
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: I have a comment about about when once you finish your thoughts, I just want to say one final thing.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, but and I also, it's like I wanted to just around boundary thing, also say like that your response time does not have any reflection on your work ethic.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: Some people, yes, I get it, like they're just out there living their best lives and they're not doing work, but a lot of times people are like actually busy, they're doing things, but your response time does not like it doesn't define your work ethic, but your output does.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: But see, there was this famous quote that I had like for the longest time at my desk, which is like your lack of planning does not constitute an emergency on my part.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: I 100% agree.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I had that on for the longest time because someone would always come screaming, oh my god, oh my god.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay, you need to chill.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's not that serious, but go ahead anyway, finish.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but it's true, but it's like I I on that note, I I also had like, you know, like bigger picture things.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_03: Like if I was to zoom out completely, right?
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and sometimes when I have like a bad day, I decided if I zoom out of this completely, five years from now, am I even gonna remember this stupid day?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: Is it really gonna matter?
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_03: No, no.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_03: Then I should probably start practicing more of that feeling like in the moment, right?
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um like and then I just decided also, um, like I'm over, I'm over urgency culture because it makes me tired, it makes me exhausted, but not it makes me, it like wants me to be tired and exhausted, right?
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and it it kind of puts you in a place where you're too busy to actually notice that you're not doing anything important and you're not moving forward in your life, right?
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_03: So, and then the I like the moment that you see it as that, you're like, nothing actually, none of this actually matters.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just gonna focus on the things that actually matter.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_03: Does that make sense?
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I totally agree.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I just think for us, we just I mean, we say these things, but I think also a lot of people need the jobs.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: So sometimes they feel the need, they have to put up with this nonsense.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they have to play along because life is hard.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, but that goes back to my point about like how you this is performative.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_03: What volume are you willing to play at?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: Volume both like, you know, just just like what like output, well, how much, how much of this do you actually want to be responsible for?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_03: Because I like literally when I thought about it, I'm like, nothing is on fire.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like, close the computer, walk away.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_03: Like, we'll worry about it like the next week.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_03: Because that used to be me all the time.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_03: If somebody says, Oh, let's talk about this.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_03: I want to talk to you about something later, that gave me so much anxiety and stress.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_03: And then I thought about, I'm like, why?
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't do anything.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_03: There's nothing wrong with my performance.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_03: Like, my output is perfect.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and honestly, like a lot of that has been like really liberating, working for myself, right?
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you look, you have to grind and hustle even harder because that's it.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's just you.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_03: Like, it's just you.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_03: If you don't show up, if you don't get clients, you don't make money, you don't get paid, you know, then you don't have fun because you need money to have fun.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but at the same time, I'm like, okay, if I don't actually like, like I I came to a point where it's like, if I have this client that's being dumb, right?
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like they don't want to do what I'm telling them to do, but they're still paying me.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, fine, I'm gonna make my money and walk away.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: Khalas, you do you, and I'll just keep making my money.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_03: And it is what it is.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I just decided that like this fake sense of urgency in corporate and I say corporate America because that's where we live, but it's just like it's just it's stupid.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's stupid and it it causes so many problems, and frankly, I'm just over it.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_03: And I like, we'll close with what Lina said like your poor planning is like does not constitute an emergency.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_03: Until next time.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: Inshallah.