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- I'm back. Yeah, you are, but someone's missing. Yeah, so after being forcibly removed from the program here, the only way I thought I could get back after some of the, let's just face it, they were just harsh comments that I heard last week on the show. So this week I decided I would change the password on the call to record the show. Is that what happened? Yeah, so that's why I sent you a new updated password and didn't send it to Andrew. Hence, he is not here wondering why he can't get in the call. So you've essentially killed him. As far as podcast recording goes, digital existence, he's dead. Erased. You got rid of him. Erased. Yeah. No, I think he's actually just on holiday. So it's a little less dramatic than that. He's as good as dead to you after the poll. That's it. Yeah, I don't know. I can only imagine what poll is going to happen next, but maybe we take a pause on the polls because it seems to be disrupting the flow. So maybe we put the polls in the backseat for now. We'll come back to that at a later date. How does that sound? That sounds fine to me. Great. i mean we're rejecting one person from the show but we've welcomed someone else to the one prime plus fold and that is jj jonathan j jj from the northern hemisphere is that tipping it more towards your end of things boy i don't know anymore i stopped counting the the balance just because it felt a little bit uh childish to keep saying hey look another northern hemisphere but here we are with another northern hemisphere we're one world that's the point right that's that's really what it what it comes down to is that they're part of one prime plus and that's really what matters northern southern just get in there i've never been one to kind of stoke the fire of conflict i think that's more andrew's thing andrew likes to insult the listeners he likes to insult you occasionally insults me i like to think i give it back to him but you and i were all about world peace hemispheric views not hemispheric conflict so now that andrew's not here we can heap crap on him and this could be possibly i don't want to speak too soon but uh generally we get someone in to one prime plus andrew talks about them and they basically are pretty much on their way out at that point so this may be the longest running member that we've ever had given that he won't even be able to say anything about jonathan j for at least a week so all right so what you're saying is jonathan j make the most of your one prime plus membership before andrew comes back and andrew once you've heard this you know use your time to come up with some really insulting things to say about exactly come back sounds good so onto the show i think this is one of the most interesting points i've ever seen added to the show notes so listeners gear up there's a robot here yeah which as we know is jason's emoji yeah and it says i literally have nothing finish the sentence i was wondering if you'd make a point about that with ellipsis there it is that was really just for you yeah i um Yeah, so I was gone last week, obviously. Hopefully people recognize that. Maybe not. It's good to hear your accent properly after Andrew's attempt. Oh, wow. If, oof, that was... For anybody that reads the show notes, I suggest doing so in a manner where you're reading along while listening. That's really how they're intended to be consumed. And you will have noticed during his interpretations, there were notes associated with that as I was listening. So I highly recommend looking at the notes if that's your thing. And also kind of have them up maybe scrolling alongside you. I wish I could have them be almost like a teleprompter where they would just auto-scroll as you were listening. The technology maybe is not there yet in podcasting. Maybe someday. Maybe podcasting 3.0 will be scrolling show notes along with the audio. But yeah, you'll notice I had some input related to his interpretive dance of the voice, we'll say. Thank you, Andrew. There was some Tim Apple thrown in there, I thought. There was a lot going on there. It was changing. It was morphing. It was good. It was bad. Mostly bad. But good try. A for effort. He went so deeply into the deep south that he kind of went north again. Is that like two negatives make a positive? It's like wrapping back around. It's like the snake eating its tail or something. I don't know. There's a metaphor there somewhere. Cat dog. I don't know. Yeah, there you go. So hopefully we never have to do that again. Yeah. And we can leave that back in 134. Very good. And anyway, you were saying you were away and you had nothing. I was away. Yeah. So I haven't, I've been away from everything kind of for a while. So as I was coming to prepare for 135, I think it was 133 where – or maybe 132. 132 was just like 50 topics. They were all mine. It's just like you just wouldn't shut up. There was just topic after topic. And then I left and I came back and realized that I've kind of stepped away from almost everything. I really don't have a lot of updates on anything, which I think is actually a good thing, that I don't have 50 new things to talk about because that means that I've maybe slowed down a little. Maybe that's just my old age. I don't know. Well, I mean, that's normally been the way, I mean, sometimes Andrew goes on a point addition spree. I generally have maybe one or two. I tend to do the least, you know, the lowest number of points, but don't forget the ones I add for you. Those count for you. That's true. I just accept that that's coming. I just know that there's going to be something that has a magnet or a foot next to it that i didn't put there but yeah you're normally trying a lot of different things and so you've been away you've been doing stuff there's been a bit of you know birthday and family things so how does that feel like are you doing less stuff product wise because i know you've been overhauling some things which i think is another point in our show today i have been overhauling quite a lot of things yeah and i think that actually it's part of the two sides of the same coin. I've overhauled so many things that I have less things now, which is actually turning out to be really great. I've found constraint in the removal of items. So it's good. I don't know if I, I don't think I'm done yet. I think there's a lot more to do, but boy, have I made some crazy changes in my technological life. And maybe we'll maybe we'll get into a couple of those today. I think I'm still formulating thoughts, right? Because I've been using the same crap for so long that to do any kind of crazy transition, it's going to take time because no matter what you switch to, it's just going to be different. So I don't think I have like fully formed thoughts on a lot of it yet, but things are a changing as they say. So what are you happy to talk about today? Because I know you wanted to save certain things from an Andrew's back, but what topics or teasers can you include in this episode? photos photos is definitely one which has been rough i'll say and that is so okay been on you know apple stuff for what is it like 26 000 years something give or take a century um pre-jesus that's for sure absolutely yeah i mean in there way early yeah that was like like yeah for sure so mobile me yeah macintosh bc basically yeah i think when mobile me was still a thing so photos super easy right like take a picture with your phone goes into your photos put a photo from your camera into your computer goes into your photos sweet so i've got like 60 some odd thousand photos plus whatever the videos are. I don't videos or whatever. I don't, you know, they're probably more likely just little cell phone photos or whatever, but anyway, let's say 60,000 photos and that's phone photos. That's JPEGs. That's raw files. That's all that crap. So it's all in photos. Awesome. That's so cool. Now there's the problem of storage and there's optimize storage, which love it or hate it, optimize storage exists. I mean, it's kind of cool in some respects. Other times it's not great because it seems like it always optimizes the thing you need that's not there. That one like eight kilobyte file that you just really need to have on hand. They're like, we optimized it for you. You're like, great. I'm on a plane. Sweet. So photos. Yeah. So 60,000 photos. That's a lot of photos. I don't know if you're aware, and the 60,000 is pretty high number. It's a few thousand more than what I have, but yeah, we're both in fairly similar territory. That's something like seven, I think it's like 700 gigabytes, something like that. A lot. It's a lot of space. Yeah. So I was like, part of this was, I wanted to kind of free these photos and have them somewhere a little more platform agnostic, as they say. So I thought, okay, I'll just, you know, export them all. That's, that's, no. you you first of all good luck okay you you remember this i think it was when they land when they launched photos apple photos yes and they did replacing iphone yes and they did the the demo where they're like here's a billion photos and we can select them all and do things with them because it's so fast now well i tried to like highlight them all and export no that's not really a thing and even if it were any kind of collections you have gone it's like okay well that's not gonna work fast forward i found this app that will supposedly export everything kinda it kinda did but it didn't quite get everything so okay then i found this thing called i don't know how to pronounce ent ente is the name of the app ent ente i don't know and ente is that what you said yeah it's the german plural for ducks is there a duck icon in there somewhere i don't think so but let's go with that enter i like it okay so you so ducks are now taking care of your photo so i have employed an army of ducks to to take my photos out of photos and the way i did actually i think it might just be a single duck is there a single duck or no enter i've confused myself well one or more ducks are handling your photos i don't know I'm paying one flat price for unlimited ducks as far as I know. So. Gotcha. Give me all the ducks. So all these photos are going out and they have to do it through the iPad, which is weird. So the iPad is now going to iCloud photo, pulling the photo down and then pushing it over. Okay, fine. Whatever. I guess that works. Long story short, getting stuff out of photos is a really big pain in the ass if you have a big photo library that's pretty heavily organized. So I think, fingers crossed, this is part of the problem though. I think everything is out and safe, but I really don't know. How can I know? There's no way. I mean, I guess you could say, yes, one thing has 60,208 photos and the other thing has 60,208. Probably okay. But are these now, did it convert all the raw files to like some kind of JPEG? are they optimized versions i don't know so i'm at a bit of a loss as to what do i do obviously i could just leave everything in there and just continue on my merry way but yeah i don't do you have thoughts on this on on either a something i can do to fix this magically or what would you do well this really comes down to a particular question which i already know the answer for you but it relates to listeners because this is a relatable topic write photos. Everyone has photos, whether they take them just with their phone or with a dedicated camera or they have old film that they've digitized. The question is, how much do you care? I would say the vast majority of people don't care. They care about data loss. They don't want to lose their photos, but they don't really care about the quality of them to the same degree. You don't want them to be blurry, but you know how like when you iMessage something and there's that obvious point of maybe compression of a video or it's not exactly the same file that you started with most people don't care about that right you do i do yeah i i'm more concerned about the the full-on loss i mean to be clear i would rather have a smaller jpeg version of a thing than nothing at all i think that's yeah a sane thing to say but it's like if i do already have it I should keep that if you like. I don't know. Yeah. So there's no obvious way to check just on the face of using the app or. I don't think so. My first thought is, have you contacted the people who make this? Is there some sort of form or can you ask them? Well, no, Martin, that would be the smart thing to do. So no, I have not done that. Well, that's my first piece of advice. My first step was to wait several weeks, come back here and ask you. Well, look, I'm happy to be that guy who tells you to ask someone else the question. Okay, perfect. Yeah, look, I don't want to derail your story, but I've had this same kind of concern. I'm very happy in general with having my photos in photos, but I've often thought, yeah, I mean, is it forever? How does this work? It's a database and it's not really like having photos named in the finder, but then you've got this beautifully convenient way of having things synchronized and backed up and sharing high quality photos with relatives and things like shared albums or whatever it is you want to use so it's difficult and then you try to unwind the ecosystem commitment that you have because to be clear like what's your motivation for this you said platform agnostic to begin with is that because of a stepping away from apple and a distaste for what they're doing yes okay but is that more of the driving force than you know something like portability or the way that you manage the files i uh so i don't want to make it sound like it's this like i'm jumping you know oh i hate everything they're doing this is a if i choose to use something else where am i stuck absolutely and this is one of those because there is absolutely no way to access apple photo anything anywhere else okay there's the website i guess but give me a break like no one's using that icloud.com thing that's for sharing yeah or access elsewhere it's not really the base of that would be like absolute emergency i need to get to this thing so it's a it's how can i make as many things in my life as accessible as possible even if that means making things slightly less convenient is the goal so i figured i'd start with photos because that's the biggest undertaking i think so and where do you envisage these things going maybe i've misunderstood because you said enter or nt or whatever it is helps you get them out but where are they going to go so they're actually a photo storage thing as well which is kind of oh yeah so they they their marketing is funny they have like we back it up in three places one of those places is like a mountain or something like whatever but it it is an off-site way to manage and store all of your stuff that is not tied to to like any one thing so kind of did double duty yeah it's hard isn't it yeah it's very hard because i remember years ago and maybe we've mentioned this on the show before but it's good to bring up if anyone listening is thinking about photos and how they manage them you remember an iPhoto that was you know a database of sorts or you would go to the finder and right click on iPhoto library and it would say show package contents and when you looked inside and i actually have an old backup of my eye photo library pre photos because it was that whole moving to photos you know what's this gonna mean you do a backup first just in case and you go in there and it says folders 2002 2003 2004 and then inside the named albums or as they were once called as a separate feature events they're all in there right look at it now do the same thing yes you can look inside but it's Girly flurry, girly gibberish, something or other. It's just made up. It's made up. And that's what makes me a little bit more nervous, the fact that, yes, it's a robust system. People complain about this or that. I have a lot more faith, at least now, in iCloud Photo Library and how that infrastructure works than my long, painful experience on and off with Apple Music. But going in there and seeing gibberish rather than accessible, understandable folders that could be put somewhere else because they're just folders. That's strange to me. So I don't know if your new service does something like the old thing or it's more of a new thing. Maybe it's just the reality we live in now, but you would think if it's about digital legacy, portability, handing things over to people, shouldn't it be a little bit easier or manual in a way to go, here, drag this stuff over if you really want to, rather than I will now go through an advanced signature process of endowing my future descendants or spouse or something with the keys to my digital existence it's all just a bit it's too heavy just make it easy yeah it's it's not easy and that is the problem for sure so that's where we're at with photos still trying to figure it out i i think at the end of the day what i'm going to end up with is a gigantic probably eight whatever it is seven eight gigabyte like photos library file that's just stuck on my server stored just in case like that's gonna be where i think things end up because i just there's no way to know i think like files in general can it's like if i go to like old man corner for a second oh please yeah it's like i just it you lose sight of all this like computer stuff just using it every day but I had a funny experience the other day where I was just cleaning some stuff up. It was just there's a lot of extra extensions and crap that gets on your computer because you try different things. And so I was just going through deleting them. You know, data-wise, probably a few megabytes worth of stuff. Like did I need to clean it up? No, but I did. So like a few megabytes at the most. It's all in the trash. Empty the trash. And it does that thing where it starts counting up how many things it's going to delete. There were something like 300,000 files that it was deleting in like a couple megabytes. And it makes you like, what are we doing with this? Do we really need 3,000 files for a camera extension that's 27K? Like what is happening? So yeah, just there's a lot of stuff on there that you have to deal with. Yeah, that's my old man corner. I don't think we have a tune for that one but it's probably just like a walker or something I don't know it's actually a shame that Andrew's not here because I think he would jump into making a song for that straight away oh he would just sing it he's it probably he probably just woke up like in a in a sweat it was like here's your opportunity Jason Andrew impersonated you when you were away no I can't if you were Andrew I can't do it I can't I can't do it Andrew no no i can't no don't make me do it could you imitate andrew imitating you oh it would just sound like john wayne or something i don't know he always goes like weird western southern like i'm here in portland yeah it's like not even not even close i mean i think he he had like family or something for somewhere around texas or something so i think he just assumes the whole thing is just Texas, I think is his view. What, that isn't the case? Surprisingly, no, I guess, but we'll see. I'm learning lots about America today. We'll see where the future takes us. Beautiful. Well, look, just before we leave that topic, I mean, photos are very important to you. What's something that is really not important to you about computers these days? Something that you value the least, right? And maybe other people think it's very important, but you're just, eh. Is this a trick question or is this an actual question? Am I meant to know the answer to this? It's a serious question. What is something about computers that I care about the least? Yes, that other people might think is really important. Ooh, wow. Like other than shortcuts? That could be your answer. There goes 15 listeners just gone right there. Sorry. okay so the answer is shortcuts i don't know oh wow i don't know i feel like that you're in a sweat now yeah i don't have an answer do you yeah i do what's your answer but it doesn't necessarily have to be tied to a specific app or function i would just say most of current social media and that is now in old man corner and what i mean by that is oh okay i got you it could be anything and social media obviously are important because you've got things like messages okay whatever messaging app you use very important that's a kind of social media there are things empowering about all the networks that we use and i use stuff at work which is valuable or enables me or you know grant stuff to certain audiences that they need but you look at so much of how people use their phones out and about in public spaces or the things that are kind of driving sales kind of things on app stores or whatever so much of it's tied to the social fad of the day and if you remove them from the phone and went back to not entirely let's say a 2007 original iphone thing so much of computing would be more fun right oh there's a plane going overhead maybe that's noisy i don't know but you know how like when steve jobs you by quantus yeah quantus you know when uh steve jobs unveiled the first iphone it's like wow revolutionary mobile phone cheers widescreen iPod cheers breakthrough internet communicator like whimper right in comparison and that's the thing that actually has been the most significant and empowering but when you think about it the fun things that you get out of your phone like you know listening to your music or you know just being able to contact people you love that's the stuff that the phone and these entertainment devices are really for strip away all the extra social stuff that makes you stressed or feel like you need something that's the element of computers that kind of gets ruined I think but anyway on to now that you've had a chance to think during my rant well no it's it's an extension of yours and that's the idea of cross posting i just i couldn't be bothered i don't yep yep i see like so much of the internet is about like do i which like which of the three networks do i use like how do i make sure i'm on all of them at the same time and then and it ends up just being like you type a thing and then it goes to eight places but you never go to those eight places so it's like what's the point but there's this you need to be there kind of feeling and i guess it's part of that like you know just that that fear of of missing something like something could happen yeah and that i just i don't care i i'm on one thing and like if it doesn't happen there i don't see it yeah and some tools are good for certain types of messages or entertainment or content and some aren't and to transplant what you've done somewhere to something else doesn't always work or, you know, it's just this idea that everyone wants to kind of, and I cringe at this term, but everyone kind of wants to go viral. Yeah. It's okay not to. Not everyone has to care. It's okay to have that direct relationship with people you're actually friends with online. Don't treat everyone as an audience. We have an audience for this show, but I also cringe sometimes saying that word because they've turned out to be genuine friends. I don't always get to chat to them on Discord as much as I'd like, but I'm very heartened by the fact that they're there and they invest their time in us, they're people. So I think if people stopped thinking about others online as audiences and more as connections or friends, that would make computing a little bit more fun, a little bit more genuine. I think this is, so if you go back to like when, back in my day when I was a kid and computers were, like computer class was like typing class or like play Oregon Trail. Like it was very like fundamental siloed crap. there's this whole new aspect of life that people are going to have to deal with, which we're still too much in a transition. So there's, I mean, there's still obviously people are being born and growing up today, but I think you're totally right that the idea of learning how to not expect that everybody gives a shit what you have to say all the time, like that has, that's going to have to be a skill that you learn and have and accept that, hey, when you put something out there nobody's gonna care like and that's fine that also doesn't mean like don't do it that's the other that's the i think that's the piece people that takes longer to learn is like you may accept that nobody cares what you're putting out but that's easy to associate that directly with well then why should i do it and that's the dangerous part and that's where i feel like we lose things like art because people think oh nobody's nobody's gonna give me 50 likes on this drawing so like why do it because like this you know other ai shit one is getting like four million virality likes or whatever so i'm just gonna not do this thing anymore because you know it's not viral like you said i think that's gonna be a very very hard skill for people to to learn and truly appreciate that they can still do things and create things out of whole cloth, regardless of who's watching. Maybe one of those things gets super popular. Cool. Maybe it never does. That's okay. Like that doesn't mean don't do it. So that's actually a worry I have that with all of this stuff is everything becomes so social, like you just said, every aspect of a computer is about being social that you start to lose touch with why the hell you even have the tool to begin with. And I think, you know, generations past, The popular people were like sports figures or like movie stars, which is still like so far away from reality. You're like – you don't just say like I'm going to be a star sports person next week. It's like, well, no, you're not. Like that's not a thing. But now an eight-year-old with a phone camera becomes the next whatever – I don't even know who's quote-unquote popular. I don't care. But, you know, it's so easy for that to happen literally overnight that it becomes like, oh, well, they did it. So I could do that. And you expect that to last forever. And that's scary. I saw an article. Now that we're on this weird tangent, there was an article. That's okay. Did not prepare for this. But it was something to the effect of this kid was going to – he was basically going to quit school like early school, like middle school. Or he's going to take a break from it to like work on his Fortnite skills. Right. And like his parents were like, yeah, that's cool. I'm not here to judge but that's not going to last forever. That's just – it scares me to see stuff like that because it's such a like obvious flash in the pan, but it's very – you may make a billion dollars. Okay, great. But man, is that – Yeah, people like that exist. Yeah, for sure. Can we do things for enjoyment? Does everything have to be on this pop culture, culture industry, commodity culture hyperdrive of monetize your hobby? You know, we do the one prime plus thing here. We don't always push it or put stuff out as much as maybe we probably like. And we're happy for the support from our listeners. But, you know, we accept this is a show that we do for our enjoyment. We're grateful that people are here. And if you want to be part of that, that's great. But let's not take things too seriously. You have to go crazy. Go paint a picture because you want to. Go take a picture and not post it anywhere. Just share it in your like family group chat. Enjoy it. It doesn't have to be on, you know, Insta 560 super app or whatever. Like it just doesn't. so there there's um serious corner was that what was that that was like serious old man philosophical man yelling at cloud yeah damn you cloud yeah well and actually it is damn you cloud because that's where all of our photos are we're in that stupid cloud oh show title damn you cloud now we spoke at the beginning of the episode saying that andrew isn't with us at the moment no he got forced out and we have a new guest and i'm happy to present coming back to the show right after his fourth birthday it's mac say hi mac hi hello four wow fourth birthday that's a huge one. That's a milestone birthday, I think. Now, Natasha had the great idea. You see, Mac, as usual, being a kid, they got a lot of gifts at times like Christmas and their birthday. And Mac got some presents that he would like to review if you'd like to hear, Jason. Would you like to hear about some of his toys? There's literally nothing I'd rather hear about. All right. Yeah. Let's do this. Really? See, I told you, Jason is a big fan of toys. I love toys. Now, Mac has three today. Mac, which one would you like to talk about first and tell all the listeners about? This one. Now, show Jason, what is it? What can you see here? Whoa. Describing for the listeners, we have an official Buzz Lightyear wrist laser shooting gizmo thing. Can you tell Jason, what does it do? It shoots stuff. Oh, what does it shoot? Wow. Bullets. And how many buttons are there? Two. That's right. Now, what can you tell everyone? What do you like about Buzz Lightyear and this toy? it opens the lid. It opens the lid. That's pretty cool. What do you like to shoot at? The hallway. Get that hallway. That's great. What do the buttons do? You said there's two buttons. What do they do? They shoot them. Oh, okay. One button per laser bullet. That's right. Got it. And Mac, what's that show that you like to watch that also has gizmos in it? Andy. Are you familiar with Andy, Jason? I am not. No. Could you give me a synopsis? So Andy is this guy from England who's in these kids' shows, and he has what's called a wrist gizmo, and he uses it to look up cool information about animals on safari. And he even uses an old phone box a la Doctor Who or whatever. Oh, no, wait, not a phone box, a grandfather clock to go back to prehistoric times. That's cool. And check information for dinosaurs for the museum. And what do you think about Andy? Is this like your gizmo? What can you tell Jason? Yes. Yes. It's great. It's great. It's great. All right, what's our next toy? This one. This one? Okay, you show Jason. What is it? A Batmobile. A Batmobile. And what colour is it? Black. Nice. Black. What's your favourite thing about this Batmobile? Because you have lots of Batmobiles. Well, it's Batman's inside. Batman's inside. Is that right? That's a good place to be. What shoots out the front? Lasers. No, what are they? You have to use your voice. Bullets. Bullets. And what are they shaped like? Circles. Yeah, they're like discs. What we're looking at here is an Imaginext Batmobile, not a sponsor. Not yet. Not yet. No, this isn't the idea. This is not like a toy advertising podcast. Just Mac's collection. I might just buy it for myself. So, Mac, what could you ask Jason about Batman maybe or what superheroes he likes? Which superhero do you like? I like Spider-Man. Do you like Spider-Man? Yeah. It's a good one. That's another wrist thingy, kind of, with the webs. So there's a theme. Oh. Yeah. Batman's got a good wrist thingy. Yeah. A lot of wrist thingies in superheroes. So I think you're on the right track. It's a good space for gadgets and things. I agree. Okay. And what's our last one? Mac, what's our last toy? Darth Vader. Darth Vader. Now, this is quite a large one compared to normal. Join me and together we can rule the galaxy. Whoa. Oh, his eyes are glowing. Wow. That's right. He has a large flashing red lightsaber and eyes. And what's special about this one, Mac? What happens when you press the button? And you can just mash that button and get him to say all the different things. That's cool. What's your favorite Star Wars character? Is it Darth Vader? Yes. He's good. Do you think he's a good guy or a bad guy? Bad guy. Yeah, he is. Well, anyway, this is Mac's Toy Review Corner. Yeah. Mac, do you have any questions for Jason? Which color do you like? Ooh. uh color lightsaber or just color in general oh in general uh orange is my favorite color by far yeah what's your favorite color oh that's one of my other favorite colors love purple it's a great color do you have a second favorite color blue okay and red because Because it makes perfect. Nice. 100% Martin's child. There you go. Before Matt came on the show, he was asking me about America and what animals are there. Oh. Can you shed any light on that, Jason? Many animals. There's horses. Cougars. Which one? Cougars. He said cougars. Oh, absolutely. Many cougars. Sometimes downtown. yeah go on and what would be your personal favorite oh my personal favorite i'm gonna go with probably oh yeah one of the cats like a bobcat maybe bobcats are pretty cool bears are pretty cool yeah like a big brown bear or a black bear i'm gonna go with bears bears what do you think of bears mac is that okay yeah that's exactly right that's what they sound like okay so to bring this Clothes for Jason and all of our listeners. Mac, is there one more thing that you want to ask Jason or tell him? Buzz has a friend. Oh, who's his friend? Woody. Love Woody. I love his cowboy hat and the snake in his boot. Of course you would because you're from Texas, Jason. Exactly. Cowboys all the way down. Howdy, howdy, howdy. Full circle. Andrew was right. And on that bombshell, we conclude the show. Anyway, thank you for joining us, Mac. Thanks, Mac. I have a quick game show for you where you're going to name Apple product categories and I'm going to tell you if I still possess them or not and I'm not going to tell you what I replace them with if I don't have them and then we're going to end the show and everybody's going to be in suspense. okay so go ahead uh phone no tablet computer although that sounds strange to say yes watch no computer like desktop yes laptop oh uh yes laptop slash i forgot there was desktop still uh tv connected entertainment unity thing yes yes um what else am i missing uh oh earphones or headphones no am i missing a category now how exciting is that now nobody knows we're gonna end the show they're gonna be left on a cliffhanger three two books do you have any apple books oh apple books uh no actually there we go yeah mac are you ready all right try that countdown again are you ready to click the button all right okay here we go i'm going to do three, two, one. And then when I say stop, you have to click the little orange stop button. Okay. Yep. Three, two, one, stop.