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The Kenny Report | 20 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Lone from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 3: Plenty coming up in the Kenny Report, including that you
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Speaker 3: and United Nations cop talk fest shambles, and also the
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Speaker 3: good news of course, the ashes starting tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: But let's go straight to the breaking news today and another.
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Speaker 3: Liberal leader looks like facing the high jump. The New
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Speaker 3: South Wales opposite opposition leader Mark's Speakman is due to
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Speaker 3: speak in minutes from now at the New South Wales
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Speaker 3: Parliament in speculation running rampant for days now about a
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Speaker 3: threat to his leadership. There is speculation now that he
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Speaker 3: could be about to resign. Let's cross to Parliament House
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Speaker 3: now with the New South Wales political reporter Julia Bradley. Julia,
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Speaker 3: you've been down there all day looking at the comings
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Speaker 3: and goings and remarkable comments from key players. What are
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Speaker 3: we expecting to see unfold in the coming minutes.
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Speaker 4: It's been quite a day at chris Well. We are
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Speaker 4: expecting Mark Speakman to announce his resignation when he holds
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Speaker 4: a press conference any minute now. And according to multiple
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Speaker 4: sources I've spoken within the party. This comes after he
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Speaker 4: had a meeting with Kelly Sloane this afternoon, who's the
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Speaker 4: current shadow Health Minister and also memberfore Vaucluse in New
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Speaker 4: South Wales, and it is expected, according to those sources
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Speaker 4: I've spoken with, that he will officially endorse Kelly Sloane
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Speaker 4: for leadership. It's been quite the day leading up to
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Speaker 4: this moment. Mark speakman very much digging his heels in
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Speaker 4: from early in the morning. We haven't heard from him
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Speaker 4: in an interview since for about two weeks. He hasn't
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Speaker 4: been fronting the cameras, but this morning it was an
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Speaker 4: entirely different story. We've got a sense that he didn't
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Speaker 4: want to go anywhere anytime soon, but it now appears
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Speaker 4: that things have certainly changed following that meeting with Kelly,
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Speaker 4: but also with factional leaders who've suggested to him that
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Speaker 4: he's lost the support of the party room, particularly those
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Speaker 4: in the Moderate faction which he's a part of, as
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Speaker 4: well as Kelly.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Julia. He's been digging in deep.
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Speaker 3: He's been saying that he's wanted to stick around, even
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Speaker 3: though media reporting, informed reporting has said that the numbers
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Speaker 3: were there for Kelly Sloane to take over the leadership
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Speaker 3: if she wanted to. Here's Mark Speakman just this morning
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Speaker 3: on Sky News, as Mark Twain once said, reports of
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Speaker 3: my death have been greatly exaggerated.
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Speaker 5: I deserve to stay a bit about what I deserve.
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Speaker 5: It's about it what is the best interests of the
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Speaker 5: party and the people of New South Wales. I offer experience, resilience, grit,
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Speaker 5: determination to lead the party to the next selection.
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Speaker 2: There we are.
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Speaker 3: That was just this morning, defiant and digging in. And
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Speaker 3: added to that, of course, Julia, is the fact that
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Speaker 3: Kelly Sloane has been saying that she wouldn't challenge for
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Speaker 3: the leadership. She might put her hand up if there
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Speaker 3: was a challenge from someone else, she said she wouldn't challenge.
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Speaker 3: So it would be what we would love to know
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Speaker 3: and we might find out soon. Is exactly what Kelly
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Speaker 3: Slian and Mark Speakman discussed just in the last half
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Speaker 3: hour or so.
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Speaker 4: Well. From very early on, Kelly was always saying that
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Speaker 4: if that position was vacant, she'd be happy to take
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Speaker 4: on the leadership if she had the support of the
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Speaker 4: full party room. But she's always said she didn't want
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Speaker 4: this to be a dramatic takeover. She didn't want a
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Speaker 4: knife Mark Speakman. They are allies they're both from the
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Speaker 4: same faction and almost friends as well, and she said,
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Speaker 4: you know, she didn't want this to get dramatic and
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Speaker 4: really messy, but that is exactly what's happened here. And
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Speaker 4: part of the reason for that is because of how
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Speaker 4: much Mark Speakman was digging in today. Really there wasn't
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Speaker 4: another option and when you have those really loud calls
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Speaker 4: continuing to grow louder and louder throughout the day, there
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Speaker 4: really is no other option but to make a move.
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Speaker 4: And you also had members at the Liberal Party speaking
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Speaker 4: with the media on background to say, you know, what
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Speaker 4: is this, why is it taking so long? We've just
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Speaker 4: seen what happened in Victoria with a quick nighting of
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Speaker 4: Brad Batton. If you like, why can't that happen here
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Speaker 4: in New South Wales. She might have proved people wrong.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we will see obviously a change in opposition leader
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Speaker 3: in Victoria earlier this week, still a lot of speculation
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Speaker 3: around Susan Lee federally, and now in coming minutes we
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Speaker 3: might find out about a new leader of the Liberal
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Speaker 3: Party in New South Wales now. Kelly Sloane is a
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Speaker 3: Barossa valley woman. She was born and raised in the
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Speaker 3: Barossa Valley in South Australia, became a television journalist in
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Speaker 3: South Australia. I worked with her in Channel ten in
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Speaker 3: Adelaide many moons ago. She came to Sydney to work
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Speaker 3: for the nine network. Hosted a money program on Channel nine.
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Speaker 3: She's married to Adam Connolly, who's former John Howard staffer
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Speaker 3: and now runs his own public relations company. She has
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Speaker 3: three boys, teenage boys, the youngest I think about fourteen.
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Speaker 3: And she only went into State Parliament at the last
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Speaker 3: election twenty twenty three, so she'll be unknown to a
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Speaker 3: lot of people, Julia, but she's certainly been impressive virtually
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Speaker 3: from day one in state politics.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And we're just seeing Mark Speakman walk in now,
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Speaker 4: so we will hear from him now.
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Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Julia Bradley.
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Speaker 3: There, they's go live to the opposition leader in New
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Speaker 3: South Wales, Mark Speakman.
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Speaker 6: Already a day is a long time in politics.
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Speaker 7: Half a day is a long time in politics, and
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Speaker 7: even a few hours are a long time in politics.
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Speaker 7: This morning, the sun was shining, the birds were chirping,
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Speaker 7: the jacarandas were blooming, and I was on breakfast radio
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Speaker 7: and on TV and staying that I would.
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Speaker 6: Be continuing as Liberal Party leader.
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Speaker 5: At that stage, no alternative candidate had come forward to
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Speaker 5: tell me they wanted to be the leader. Colleague had
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Speaker 5: said to me they thought it would be better if
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Speaker 5: I resigned, but as I said, a day, or even
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Speaker 5: half a day or a few hours is a long
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Speaker 5: time in politics. By this afternoon it was clear that
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Speaker 5: there was at least one person who had declared to
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Speaker 5: me that she wished to be the leader of the
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Speaker 5: Liberal Party, and a number of colleagues had indicated to
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Speaker 5: me their preference that we have renewal and regeneration and.
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Speaker 6: A new leader.
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Speaker 5: Being the opposition leader is an extraordinarily difficult job. It's
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Speaker 5: also an extraordinary privilege. Very few people in New South.
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Speaker 6: Wales ever get to be the leader.
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Speaker 5: Of a major party, and it has been an enormous
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Speaker 5: privilege for me to have that leadership. I thank my
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Speaker 5: colleagues for bestowing that honor on me. It's an extraordinary honor.
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Speaker 5: I thank the members of the Liberal Party, ordinary rank
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Speaker 5: and file branch members who pre selected me to be
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Speaker 5: their candidate in Coronella, the electors in Coronella who have
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Speaker 5: put me in Parliament, and everyone who has helped the
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Speaker 5: Liberal Party.
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Speaker 6: Politics is not easy.
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Speaker 5: Politics is rough, Politics is brutal, politics is savage. You
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Speaker 5: know that when you become a first term opposition leader,
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Speaker 5: you know what the odds are.
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Speaker 6: You know what you're getting into.
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Speaker 5: You know that no first term opposition leader has won
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Speaker 5: an election, either in New South Wales or federally since
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Speaker 5: the nineteen thirties.
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Speaker 6: You know what the odds are.
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Speaker 5: But I wanted to give it a red hot go,
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Speaker 5: and I believe I have given it a red hot go.
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Speaker 5: People say the Liberal Party is at a crossroads. People
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Speaker 5: are asking where are we going? What do we stand for?
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Speaker 5: Will we survive? I believe we will, and we can
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Speaker 5: and we must. The stakes are too high. The values
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Speaker 5: that drive the Liberal Party are timeless values. They are
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Speaker 5: values of equal opportunity, of reward for effort, of hard work,
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Speaker 5: a private enterprise.
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Speaker 6: Of strong values, strong families. They are timeless values.
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Speaker 5: But what the Liberal Party must do is make sure
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Speaker 5: those values are relevant to an incredibly diverse electorate in
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Speaker 5: the twenty first century. We are not backed in the
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Speaker 5: nineteen fifties with white picket fences. This is a society
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Speaker 5: now where women are entitled to and deserve the same opportunities, economic, social.
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Speaker 6: And another as men.
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Speaker 5: This is a society with an incredibly diverse ethnic background,
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Speaker 5: and this is a society where intergenerational equity is inequity
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Speaker 5: is the worst it has ever been. And that's why
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Speaker 5: I strived to make sure the New South Wales Liberal
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Speaker 5: Party addresses and answers that modern community. I perhaps drag
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Speaker 5: the New South Wales Party kicking and screaming to an
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Speaker 5: aggressively pro housing policy, and why I was determined to
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Speaker 5: make sure that our parliamentary party kept its commitment since
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Speaker 5: twenty sixteen to have a twenty twenty fifty net zero target.
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Speaker 5: We know that Gen Z and millennials now outnumber boomers,
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Speaker 5: and we know that Gen Z and millennials are entitled
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Speaker 5: to and deserve the same opportunities as older generations.
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Speaker 6: And that's why I have.
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Speaker 5: Tried to position the Liberal Party in New South Wales
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Speaker 5: as best I can to address those concerns. It's also
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Speaker 5: why I'm proud to say we've had a record level
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Speaker 5: of female representation on our front bench around forty five percent,
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Speaker 5: and why I have aggressively sought to court multicultural communities,
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Speaker 5: particularly those of Asian backgrounds, to.
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Speaker 6: Make sure the modern Liberal Party.
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Speaker 5: Reflects and represents that wide diaspra. And when I've done that,
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Speaker 5: I have faced head wins. I faced the statistical unlikelihood
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Speaker 5: of a first term opposition winning an election. I have
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Speaker 5: faced the brand damage that is emanated from Canberra with a.
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Speaker 6: Disarray since the May election.
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Speaker 5: I have faced the loss of three members, including one
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Speaker 5: member who became an independent in difficult and unpleasant circumstances.
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Speaker 5: They have all been challenges, and the challenges to the
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Speaker 5: Liberal brand generally. I have done my best to make
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Speaker 5: sure the modern Liberal Party in New South Wales addresses
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Speaker 5: those challenges. At least up until the May federal election,
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Speaker 5: we were competitive. We were pretty much neck and neck
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Speaker 5: with the government plus or minus one or two percent,
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Speaker 5: and I believe, despite the activity of a couple of
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Speaker 5: dissidents who will always act anonymously, I had almost unanimous
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Speaker 5: support in the Liberal Party. Things have changed since the
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Speaker 5: May election, where opinion polling has gone downwards, where the
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Speaker 5: brand damage from the federal election has continued. But it
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Speaker 5: is clear after conversations I've had since this morning's media events,
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Speaker 5: that many of my colleagues now want to see a change,
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Speaker 5: if there is one good thing arising out of those
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Speaker 5: media events.
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Speaker 6: It's that I flushed people out.
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Speaker 5: I've asked them to put up or show up, and
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Speaker 5: that's what's happened.
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Speaker 6: So I don't know who.
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Speaker 5: Will be the candidates for Liberal Party leader tomorrow at
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Speaker 5: a party room meeting which I hope will be convened,
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Speaker 5: I know Kelly Slain will be one of those candidates.
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Speaker 5: Kelly spoke with me this afternoon and indicated to me
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Speaker 5: she wished to take the leadership. She believed that the
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Speaker 5: interests of the party would be best served if she
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Speaker 5: took the reins.
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Speaker 6: And I have reluctantly agreed that that is so.
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Speaker 5: Notwithstanding my best efforts, it has now reached the point
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Speaker 5: where it's impossible to get clear air no matter what
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Speaker 5: policy announcements I make, no matter how ambitious I am
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Speaker 5: to make sure that the Liberal Party engages with gen Z,
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Speaker 5: engages with multicultural community, engages with women. There is just
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Speaker 5: too much white noise that interferes with that message, and
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Speaker 5: I will never get the clean air that's needed. Kelly
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Speaker 5: Sloane will be a fantastic leader if selected by the
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Speaker 5: parliamentary Liberal Party. She is someone of enormous talent. She
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Speaker 5: is not only a great communicator, she has extensive experience
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Speaker 5: as a businesswoman. She is someone I hope will lead
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Speaker 5: the Liberal Party to the next selection. She will have
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Speaker 5: my full support, she will have my endorsement, and I
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Speaker 5: believe she will be the best candidate for the position
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Speaker 5: of leader. A lot of thank yous, and often when
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Speaker 5: you give thank you, you forget everyone. You should think
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Speaker 5: first and foremost. I thank my family. I could not
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Speaker 5: be here without the love and support and the patience
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Speaker 5: and dedication of my wife Caroline, my son met Matthew,
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Speaker 5: and my daughter Kate, and my sister Diane, and my
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Speaker 5: mother Beryl. Without them, I would not be what I
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Speaker 5: am today. Can I thank my staff, some or all
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Speaker 5: of whom are in the back today, My chief of staff,
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Speaker 5: Eryl William, all my other staff. I'm up here on
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Speaker 5: the stage, but they are the directors and producers of
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Speaker 5: the operation. Many of them are in at four point
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Speaker 5: thirty or five o'clock in the morning. They work extraordinary hours,
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Speaker 5: absolutely extraordinary hours. Each and every one of them shows
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Speaker 5: enormous dedication, and I am extremely grateful to them. I'm
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Speaker 5: also grateful to my colleagues for the honor, as I say,
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Speaker 5: of bestowing the leadership on me. It's been an extraordinary
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Speaker 5: honor and I am deeply grateful for that opportunity. Can
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Speaker 5: I thank the organizational wing of the Liberal Party. I
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Speaker 5: thank Chris Stone and the State Secretariat for.
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Speaker 6: All their efforts.
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Speaker 5: In many difficult by elections. In particular, I think Nick
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Speaker 5: Reiner and the Management Committee. It's no secret that there
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Speaker 5: was a lot of dysfunction in the organizational wing when
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Speaker 5: a management committee was appointed last year.
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Speaker 6: Nick is an outstanding asset to the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 5: He doesn't pull punches, but he's diplomatic at the same time,
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Speaker 5: and as I say, he is an enormous asset, as
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Speaker 5: are the other members of the Managed Committee to all
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Speaker 5: the members of the Liberal Party. It is tough times
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Speaker 5: to be Liberal at the moment, but don't give up.
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Speaker 5: We have the right values and we can have the
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Speaker 5: right policies.
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Speaker 6: So where are we.
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Speaker 5: When a new leader is elected for Liberal Party tomorrow.
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Speaker 5: I believe that at this time of the electoral cycle
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Speaker 5: we're in a position where there is a strong set
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Speaker 5: of policies. Housing reform in New South Wales would not
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Speaker 5: have happened without the bipartisan support of the Liberals and
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Speaker 5: Nationals it just would not have happened. And I'm pleased
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Speaker 5: that I've been able to drag, in some cases drag
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Speaker 5: some of my colleagues kicking and screaming to the realization
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Speaker 5: that we have such an acute housing crisis in New
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Speaker 5: South Wales. We cannot have the complacency we've had for decades.
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Speaker 5: And I'm also pleased that, notwithstanding the route that our
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Speaker 5: federal colleagues have taken, we have stuck with an energy
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Speaker 5: policy of which.
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Speaker 6: Net zero by twenty fifty is part.
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Speaker 5: If you want to be a conservative, you can't just
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Speaker 5: be a conservative on economics or on institutions. You should
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Speaker 5: be a conservative on the environment as well. And having
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Speaker 5: that custodianship and that stewardship of the environment has to
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Speaker 5: be part of our message to young people, not only
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Speaker 5: as a matter of politics, but because it is the
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Speaker 5: right thing to do. All of us want to bestow
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Speaker 5: a planet on future generations that is at least as
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Speaker 5: healthy as it is at the moment. To those who
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Speaker 5: have doubted that we've had enough policies being developed at
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Speaker 5: this stage of the electoral cycle, I think we have
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Speaker 5: had a very.
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Speaker 6: Strong suite of policies.
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Speaker 5: What is clearly distinguishing our opposition from Chrisman's government is
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Speaker 5: an ambition to build metros. Metros have been extraordinarily popular in Sydney,
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Speaker 5: and as Sydney grows and as our population pressures increase,
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Speaker 5: we have to keep up with public transport. So that
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Speaker 5: is a big policy difference between Chris Means and US,
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Speaker 5: where the Premier has ruled out building any new metros
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Speaker 5: beyond those that have been designed and funded by the Liberals.
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Speaker 5: Other areas are artificial intelligence. I've stressed the importance of
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Speaker 5: artificial intelligence an AI opportunities planning government a dedicated AI
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Speaker 5: minister to make sure we are reaping the enormous productivity
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Speaker 5: benefits the enormous productivity benefits that AI presents, particularly in
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Speaker 5: an environment where the government has blown the budget, blown
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Speaker 5: the budget on unfunded wage increases promised to come from
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Speaker 5: productivity offsets that haven't happened, and those productivity gains that
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Speaker 5: we vitally need so we can improve our schools, our hospitals,
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Speaker 5: our public.
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Speaker 6: Transport and other services. This is a haven't finish yet.
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Speaker 6: It's close, it's close, it's close, it's close.
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Speaker 5: This is a government too, that has plagiarized a lot
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Speaker 5: of our legislation. It is a government that is light
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Speaker 5: on the big picture, light on vision, light of ambition
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Speaker 5: when it comes to building things excellent a cutting ribbonson
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Speaker 5: on our projects, but very light on that big vision.
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Speaker 5: It's also been a government that has a putting it
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Speaker 5: as politely as possibly a very modest legislation program, and
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Speaker 5: as an active and constructive opposition. There are numerous examples
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Speaker 5: where we have introduced legislation that government has plagiarized. Whether
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Speaker 5: it's dealing with legal tobacco, deep fake AI war memorials,
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Speaker 5: Nazi symbols, biol and electronic monitoring. There's a whole authora
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Speaker 5: of legislation which the government has copied and pasted to
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Speaker 5: claim as its own. So here we are at the
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Speaker 5: end of the parliamentary sitting week, or near the end
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Speaker 5: of the parliamentary sitting week. Obviously not be I'd rather
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Speaker 5: not be giving this press conference, but it is in
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Speaker 5: the best interest.
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Speaker 6: In the Liberal Party. I think to clear the air,
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Speaker 6: make sure.
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Speaker 5: That the party and the leader has clean air going
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Speaker 5: to the next election. I will do whatever I can
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Speaker 5: to help Kelly in a transition. She is someone with
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Speaker 5: an enormous enormous leadership potential. We are so blessed in
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Speaker 5: the Liberal Party to have such a enormous talent, whether
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Speaker 5: it's young MPs who are here for the first time,
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Speaker 5: our five or six MP's who are under forty, older,
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Speaker 5: more experienced mp there is an enormous range of talent
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Speaker 5: in the Parliamentary Liberal Party and I'm very confident in
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Speaker 5: the leadership that Kelly will bring. I'll take a few
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Speaker 5: questions and then i'll I'll take Paul first, and then
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Speaker 5: i'll take Max.
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Speaker 8: Thank you. Do you expect continuity on those areas of
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Speaker 8: policy MB for housing, met zero and metros or did
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Speaker 8: you get any indication from Kelly Sloan that she would
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Speaker 8: look to change some policies or the direction.
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Speaker 5: Look, I haven't had a conversation with Kelly about those,
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Speaker 5: but obviously I will remain a strong advocate within the
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Speaker 5: Parliamentary Liberal Party for a very aggressive pro housing approach
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Speaker 5: to have net zero by twenty fifty as part of
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Speaker 5: our energy policy, and that's what I'll be doing as
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Speaker 5: an advocate within the party.
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Speaker 6: So Maxion, then Julius.
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Speaker 1: Continuing on as the members of past the next election.
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Speaker 5: Look, I certainly intend to be the Memerican to twenty
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Speaker 5: twenty seven, and my intention is to recontest the next election.
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Speaker 4: Julia, have you been treated unfairly with this long drawn
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Speaker 4: out process?
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Speaker 7: Look, fairness in politics, it's probably a contradiction in terms.
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Speaker 7: There may be not a lot of fairness in politics.
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Speaker 5: You've got to deal with the cards that you dealt with,
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Speaker 5: and I've tried to deal.
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Speaker 6: With those cards as best I can.
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Speaker 5: But it's come to a stage where I have to
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Speaker 5: accept the inevitable. I'm not getting clean air, I'm not
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Speaker 5: getting the oxygen. Look, it's unfortunate that some colleagues don't
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Speaker 5: have the the courage to out themselves when they make
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Speaker 5: negative comments. A team that wins the next election has
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Speaker 5: to be one that is disciplined, focused and united, and
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Speaker 5: whatever behavior has occurred in the past, I would now
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Speaker 5: implore all my colleagues to get behind Kelly Slain and give.
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Speaker 7: Her the energy, the unity, the discipline and the focus
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Speaker 7: that she needs.
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Speaker 6: And we need to win the next election. I'll take it.
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Speaker 6: I'll take Lachlan next, and then Alex then, and then Damien.
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Speaker 3: Just in terms of logistics today, Mark, did Kelly come.
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Speaker 2: And see you at a one on one meeting, and
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Speaker 2: are you.
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Speaker 6: Also constant that you talked about some really progressive values
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Speaker 6: and are you confident that your WULL shows progressive values
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Speaker 6: on the look.
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Speaker 5: I had a one on one conversation with Kelly this afternoon.
20:43
Speaker 5: She indicated that she wished to have a conversation with me.
20:46
Speaker 5: I got that message and then I had a one
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Speaker 5: on one with her. We haven't had a conversation about policy.
20:53
Speaker 5: You described them as progressive policies. I don't see them
20:56
Speaker 5: as left or right policies. I see them as middle
20:59
Speaker 5: graand policies that matter to the people of New South Wales.
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Speaker 5: This is not about going left or right. This is
21:05
Speaker 5: about addressing the center ground issues that matter to people,
21:09
Speaker 5: and what mattered to people at the moment, most of
21:11
Speaker 5: all is the cost of living. A huge component of
21:14
Speaker 5: that is housing affordability. But jen Z expects my generation
21:19
Speaker 5: to leave their world in a better place than we
21:22
Speaker 5: have it, and that involves environmental stewardship and responsibility, not
21:26
Speaker 5: denying science with your head in the sand. And it
21:29
Speaker 5: also involves making sure that they are not the first
21:32
Speaker 5: generation worse off than their parents who and they can't
21:36
Speaker 5: afford a home.
21:37
Speaker 6: Alex, some of.
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Speaker 2: Your colleagues were disappointed that you didn't act on Alista Henskins,
21:41
Speaker 2: who was actively seeking to support for colleague to try
21:45
Speaker 2: and replace you as leader.
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Speaker 8: Do you regret not sacking him from your front bench,
21:48
Speaker 8: giving his.
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Speaker 9: Treachery to quote what some men peas have said, Oh.
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Speaker 6: Alex, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Speaker 6: We are where we are.
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Speaker 5: Alistair has never approached me to say he wanted to
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Speaker 5: be the leader. If Alistair has been doing those things
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Speaker 5: that you suggest he's been doing well, he will have
22:11
Speaker 5: to explain whether he thinks that sort of behavior is
22:14
Speaker 5: honorable and consistent with being a shadow minister, that's for
22:17
Speaker 5: him to explain.
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Speaker 4: If there was one thing anything.
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Speaker 6: So, if there was one thing, what is what is
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Speaker 6: your biggest mistake? Oh?
22:29
Speaker 5: Well that might maybe that is my biggest mistake, not
22:31
Speaker 5: keeping things short and waffling on and being too prolixts.
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Speaker 6: That might be one of my many mistakes. Who hasn't
22:37
Speaker 6: had a go Nick?
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Speaker 10: Did Kelly actually indicate that should you not stand down,
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Speaker 10: she would be willing to call or she indicated that
22:45
Speaker 10: she wished to be the leader, that she thought our
22:49
Speaker 10: prospects were best if she were the leader, and because
22:52
Speaker 10: of the circumstances I've described, I have reluctantly agreed that
22:55
Speaker 10: her analysis is correct.
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Speaker 8: Did anyone actually tap me on the shoulder and say,
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Speaker 8: apart from your conversation with Kelly and say, hey, get
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Speaker 8: out people.
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Speaker 5: You know, sometimes people pretend there are no factions in
23:09
Speaker 5: the Little Party, But if if hypothetically there were factions,
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Speaker 5: no faction leader has come to me and say, oh, mate,
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Speaker 5: on your bike. I had some colleagues today indicate for
23:20
Speaker 5: the first time, I might say, after my media exposed
23:24
Speaker 5: there this morning, that they thought it was better if
23:25
Speaker 5: I went. But certainly I've not had that from an
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Speaker 5: overwhelming number of colleagues, and I've not had a faction
23:33
Speaker 5: leader tell me time to go, mate, Mark?
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Speaker 11: Do you reckon Mark?
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Speaker 10: Do you reckon?
23:37
Speaker 12: Nice guys finish last in this game?
23:41
Speaker 2: Ah?
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Speaker 1: No, I don't.
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Speaker 6: I don't because you have to live with yourself. You
23:46
Speaker 6: have to live with yourself.
23:47
Speaker 5: And I was determined as opposition leader that I would
23:51
Speaker 5: punch above the belt, not below the belt. There are
23:55
Speaker 5: plenty of failings of this government to attack without the
23:58
Speaker 5: need to be an absolute mongrel, without the need to
24:01
Speaker 5: be unduly personal There is no need in politics, and
24:04
Speaker 5: I think the nature of politics has changed. I think
24:07
Speaker 5: with more and more female MPs in the Parliament, the
24:10
Speaker 5: tone of parliament has changed. It may be twenty or
24:13
Speaker 5: thirty forty years ago, people enjoyed a bit of biff
24:17
Speaker 5: in parliament. I'm sure that some people in the Chamber
24:20
Speaker 5: still enjoy that. They enjoy the vaudeville, they enjoy the aggression,
24:24
Speaker 5: they enjoy the alpha male stuff. I actually think that
24:26
Speaker 5: turns voters off. It turns female voters off.
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Speaker 6: In particular.
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Speaker 5: Kelly Slane will certainly not be like that. She'll be
24:33
Speaker 5: prosecuting the.
24:34
Speaker 6: Merits of arguments and cases.
24:36
Speaker 5: So I don't think that nice guys or nice gals
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Speaker 5: finished last.
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Speaker 8: You expect that?
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Speaker 6: Sorry, do you expect them?
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Speaker 3: That is the outgoing Liberal leader of the New South
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Speaker 3: Wales Liberal Party, the outgoing opposition leader in New South Wales,
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Speaker 3: Mark Speakman, who has resigned live on air. As you've
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Speaker 3: seen at that press conference live from the New South
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Speaker 3: Wales Parliament House, Mark Speakman said in his own words
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Speaker 3: that half a day is a long time in politics.
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Speaker 3: Says he was defiantly hanging on in media interviews this morning,
25:05
Speaker 3: but there has been speculation around.
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Speaker 2: His leadership for a long while.
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Speaker 3: He was visited in his office today by the Shadow
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Speaker 3: Health Minister Kelly Sloane, who told him to his face.
25:16
Speaker 3: He says that she would be a better leader of
25:19
Speaker 3: the opposition and extraordinarily Mark Speakman agreed with her and
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Speaker 3: thinks the party's prospects are best with her as leader.
25:28
Speaker 3: Now they are both moderates in the Liberal Party, so
25:31
Speaker 3: those numbers will unite behind Kelly Sloan has believed that
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Speaker 3: she would have the numbers if there is a challenge
25:37
Speaker 3: if there is a contest at a special Liberal Party
25:40
Speaker 3: meeting in Sydney tomorrow, but there's no declaration of any
25:44
Speaker 3: other candidate now, although the Conservative Alistair Henskins could run,
25:50
Speaker 3: but if he were to run, it is expected that
25:52
Speaker 3: Kelly Sloane would have the numbers anyway, So whether there's
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Speaker 3: a contest or not, we would expect that by tomorrow
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Speaker 3: Kelly Sloane, as you're seeing there, will be the new
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Speaker 3: leader of the Liberal Party in New South Wales, joining
26:05
Speaker 3: Jess Wilson who's just taken over as the female leader
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Speaker 3: of the Liberal Party in Victoria. And of course there
26:11
Speaker 3: is a woman running the Federal opposition in Susan Lee,
26:15
Speaker 3: and of course Lena Finiciiro who heads up the COLP
26:20
Speaker 3: as the Chief Minister in the Northern Territory. So women
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Speaker 3: taking all the leadership positions in the Liberal Party around
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Speaker 3: the country at the moment. As I mentioned earlier, Kelly Sloane,
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Speaker 3: who a lot of people are going to hear a
26:31
Speaker 3: lot more about in coming days, has only been in
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Speaker 3: Parliament since twenty twenty three. She was a longtime television
26:37
Speaker 3: journalist and presenter. She came from the Barossa Valley in
26:40
Speaker 3: South Australia, but before going into politics she spent some
26:43
Speaker 3: time as chief executive officer of a life education charity,
26:48
Speaker 3: so she's had that work in the not for profit
26:51
Speaker 3: sector and running an organization before she went into politics.
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Speaker 3: And she's been a very prominent and articulate voice in
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Speaker 3: New South Wales politics the last few years.
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Speaker 2: And indeed, if you.
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Speaker 3: See here, even as he exits the leadership, Mark Speakman
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Speaker 3: has endorsed her.
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Speaker 5: It has now reached the point where it's impossible to
27:11
Speaker 5: get clear air no matter what policy announcements I make,
27:15
Speaker 5: no matter how ambitious I am, to make sure that
27:18
Speaker 5: the Liberal Party engages with gen z engages with multicultural community,
27:23
Speaker 5: engages with women. There is just too much white noise
27:28
Speaker 5: that interferes with that message and I will never.
27:30
Speaker 6: Get the clean air that's needed.
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Speaker 5: Kelly Sloane will be a fantastic leader if selected by
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Speaker 5: the Parliamentary Liberal Party.
27:38
Speaker 2: There we go.
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Speaker 3: That is so much as close as you can get
27:41
Speaker 3: to a laydown mozire tomorrow for Kelly Sloane. Let's now
27:45
Speaker 3: go to the federal Shadow Resources Minister Susan McDonald who
27:48
Speaker 3: joins us from Brisbane. Thanks for waiting on the line
27:51
Speaker 3: there for us, Susan while this unfolded in Sydney, but
27:54
Speaker 3: another woman set to take over a leadership position in
27:58
Speaker 3: the state Liberal operation. Your response to these shenanigans, but
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Speaker 3: how it looks like turning out?
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Speaker 13: Well, I'm very familiar with the expression that are week's
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Speaker 13: a long time in politics, so it wasn't as familiar
28:13
Speaker 13: with the morning as a long time in politics. Perhaps
28:16
Speaker 13: that's the new way in the new world. But I
28:20
Speaker 13: wish the new leader. Can that person be elected tomorrow?
28:23
Speaker 13: All the very best. It's a big job, it's a
28:25
Speaker 13: responsible job that we've got to hold labor to account
28:28
Speaker 13: because I don't think we've ever seen Australians doing it
28:32
Speaker 13: as tough. You know, real wages down to twenty eleven levels,
28:37
Speaker 13: productivity shot, small businesses closing at the greatest rate since
28:41
Speaker 13: we've been recording those numbers. More families, more working families,
28:46
Speaker 13: turning to food bank and other food organizations than ever before.
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Speaker 13: This is not a time for oppositions to be shirking
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Speaker 13: from their duties, which is holding the government to account
28:58
Speaker 13: and making sure that Australians that we can get back
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Speaker 13: on track. This is a very serious time, I'm afraid.
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Speaker 3: Chris Well two points about this that relate directly to
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Speaker 3: federal politics and the federal coalition. One is that Mark
29:11
Speaker 3: Speakman says that he suffered brand damage from what's been
29:15
Speaker 3: going on in the federal coalition and they're obviously disastrous
29:20
Speaker 3: performance at the last election.
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Speaker 2: Your response to that, well.
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Speaker 13: There is no doubt that we have to do better
29:29
Speaker 13: as a federal coalition, be more united, be more disciplined,
29:33
Speaker 13: and I'm certainly very pleased to be in the national
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Speaker 13: party room where we're not suffering from people speaking out
29:42
Speaker 13: about the leader. I think it's unacceptable and I look
29:46
Speaker 13: forward to that party room being able to be a
29:49
Speaker 13: bit more disciplined because we've got a serious job to do,
29:52
Speaker 13: and that is holding labor to account. The pathway that
29:56
Speaker 13: we are on is incredibly serious. So the latest news
30:01
Speaker 13: of our energy policy I'm really excited about. I think
30:05
Speaker 13: it is what Australians have been looking for, is for
30:08
Speaker 13: us to provide some leadership on calling out the net
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Speaker 13: zero labor plan.
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Speaker 2: Well this just let me jump in back that business,
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Speaker 2: which is make it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me jump in there, because that's exactly where
30:17
Speaker 3: I want to go. And I think calling out the
30:19
Speaker 3: net zero scam is exactly the right decision for the
30:22
Speaker 3: Federal coalition. It's crucial to rescue this country and our
30:26
Speaker 3: economic prospects. But one issue is you've got state parliament,
30:30
Speaker 3: state liberal parties, state coalitions who are sticking with net
30:34
Speaker 3: zero BO twenty fifty.
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Speaker 2: And as he exited there, we heard more from.
30:37
Speaker 3: Mark Speakman, I might say tonight than anybody's heard from
30:40
Speaker 3: him the previous couple of years. But he said he
30:43
Speaker 3: remains committed to net zero BO twenty fifty and the
30:45
Speaker 3: expectation is that Kelly Sloane would as well.
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Speaker 2: How are you going to talk some sense.
30:50
Speaker 3: Into these state liberal parties who don't seem to understand
30:54
Speaker 3: the energy crisis unfolding around them.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think that taking practical action is where the
31:02
Speaker 13: states are at. And in Queensland we've seen the very
31:05
Speaker 13: practical decision the Energy Plan to extend coal fired power
31:09
Speaker 13: stations to sweat the assets the state already owns, and
31:13
Speaker 13: I'm sure that other states are looking at similar similar concepts.
31:17
Speaker 13: We know that in our trading partners like Japan, their
31:21
Speaker 13: net zero aspirations have become exactly that, aspirations, not hard targets.
31:26
Speaker 13: We're seeing so many countries around the world step back
31:30
Speaker 13: from making commitments to twenty thirty five because they realize
31:35
Speaker 13: that it's one thing to say you believe in net zero,
31:38
Speaker 13: but it's also equally important to say, do you believe
31:41
Speaker 13: in energy security in your country? Do you believe in
31:44
Speaker 13: food security in your country? Do you believe in a
31:48
Speaker 13: strong defense policy? All of these are also important, and
31:53
Speaker 13: certainly in Australia we have seen a blind devotion to
31:58
Speaker 13: just one policy which is hurting Usustralians, hurting our productivity,
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Speaker 13: hurting our manufacturing ability, hurting our ability to process critical minerals,
32:08
Speaker 13: and we're seeing Australian jobs go offshore, so you know,
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Speaker 13: it is time to get back to the business of
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Speaker 13: being the sort of prosperous, effective economy that Australia has
32:18
Speaker 13: long had a reputation for being, and to stop this
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Speaker 13: madness where we are trying to achieve emissions targets which
32:25
Speaker 13: are double the rest of the world, and to make
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Speaker 13: sure that whilst we know we do our bit for
32:33
Speaker 13: world emissions, that we get more serious about doing it
32:36
Speaker 13: in a way that suits Australia and Australians.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, thanks so much for joining us, Susan McDonald, I
32:41
Speaker 3: appreciate it. Shadow Resources Ministers Susan McDonald their live from Brisbane.
32:45
Speaker 3: We've had to shift the program around quite a bit
32:48
Speaker 3: because of course that live breaking news at the top
32:50
Speaker 3: of the program with Mark Speakman residing in that press
32:53
Speaker 3: conference just after five o'clock this evening. I want to
32:56
Speaker 3: go now to California and catch up again with the
32:59
Speaker 3: Australia's longest serving foreign Minister.
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Speaker 2: Alexander Downer. Alexander lots to talk about when it comes.
33:04
Speaker 3: To foreign affairs, but first up your thoughts about another
33:07
Speaker 3: Liberal leader biding the dust, likely to be replaced by
33:11
Speaker 3: former South Australian Kelly.
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Speaker 11: Sloan, well, I think we would still claim her as
33:16
Speaker 11: a South Australian. But I mean, I leave the parliamentary
33:21
Speaker 11: parties of the State Liberal Party to make these decisions.
33:25
Speaker 11: I don't know the personalities too well. I mean, I
33:30
Speaker 11: think the thing about the Liberal Party is you've got
33:34
Speaker 11: to be prepared day in and day out to make
33:37
Speaker 11: your arguments if you're in opposition, and if you're in opposition,
33:42
Speaker 11: you have to be in the media the whole time.
33:45
Speaker 11: And I don't hear enough of the State Liberals who
33:50
Speaker 11: are in opposition, not true the ones in government, but
33:54
Speaker 11: who are in opposition in the media, making their arguments
33:58
Speaker 11: and winning their cases, not just responding to opinion polls,
34:02
Speaker 11: but telling the public what they would do and do
34:06
Speaker 11: differently if they were in government. And that's what they've
34:09
Speaker 11: got to do. They've got to learn to be strong
34:12
Speaker 11: day to day advocates of what they believe in.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right, and I think that's
34:18
Speaker 3: one of the key differences we're going to see here
34:20
Speaker 3: because Mark Speakman was invisible as opposition leader and I don't.
34:24
Speaker 2: Expect that Kelly Sloane will be.
34:26
Speaker 3: Although she might need a little bit of a talking
34:28
Speaker 3: around when it comes to zero and a couple of
34:30
Speaker 3: these policies. We'll get back to that in the moment,
34:32
Speaker 3: because I wanted to get your view on some big
34:34
Speaker 3: foreign policy developments and issues overseas.
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Speaker 2: Let's start off in America.
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Speaker 3: Given you there again, and Donald Trump, the President, has
34:42
Speaker 3: signed off on this bill to force the Department of
34:46
Speaker 3: Justice to reveal all of the Epstein files. Is this
34:50
Speaker 3: going to be an own goal for the Democrats after
34:52
Speaker 3: clamoring so long to have them released, or is there
34:54
Speaker 3: going to be carnage on both sides of politics.
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Speaker 11: I don't think the American the public are terribly interested
35:01
Speaker 11: in this issue. After all, Epstein was found guilty in
35:06
Speaker 11: a court of law, he was convicted, he was jailed,
35:10
Speaker 11: and then he subsequently committed suicide.
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Speaker 8: So I think.
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Speaker 11: He paid the ultimate price for his crimes and his sins.
35:20
Speaker 11: And beyond that, it's just a political game of trying
35:25
Speaker 11: to tar the reputation of anybody who was associated with him.
35:30
Speaker 11: But the truth is, senior, well known New Yorkers were
35:36
Speaker 11: all involved with Epstein. There's no doubt about that. And
35:42
Speaker 11: there's no evidence at all that President Trump, or Donald
35:46
Speaker 11: Trump as he then was known, did anything untoward other
35:51
Speaker 11: than knowing Epstein.
35:52
Speaker 2: So I mean, I.
35:54
Speaker 11: Think it is just party politics has actually at its worst.
35:59
Speaker 3: Ye go to a much more substantive issue, and that is,
36:02
Speaker 3: of course the future of the war in Ukraine and
36:04
Speaker 3: revelations about secret negotiations between Russia and the US, where
36:09
Speaker 3: it seems Russia is demanding the Dombas the parts of
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Speaker 3: the eastern Ukraine, which is not a surprise the sort
36:16
Speaker 3: of land grab, but also commitments as to the shrinking
36:20
Speaker 3: of the Ukrainian army. Are we any closer to any
36:23
Speaker 3: sort of reasonable outcome or is the surrendering of the
36:27
Speaker 3: Dombas an absolute, absolute red line for Vladimir Zelenski.
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Speaker 11: I think what's happening is that we are creeping towards
36:38
Speaker 11: the seasepar in Ukraine along the lines that I've assumed
36:43
Speaker 11: the cease fire would take, and I'd thought that for
36:47
Speaker 11: a year or more, I mean militarily. The only way
36:51
Speaker 11: to drive the Russians out of the parts of the
36:55
Speaker 11: Dombas they occupy in Crimea, of course, which is part
36:59
Speaker 11: of Ukraine, would be for the Americans to become directly
37:03
Speaker 11: involved in the war, and of course the Americans aren't
37:06
Speaker 11: going to do that. So realistically, there isn't any way
37:12
Speaker 11: of evicting the Russians from those parts of Ukraine that
37:16
Speaker 11: they have illegally seized. So if you want to cea spar,
37:21
Speaker 11: you probably have to accept that they will hold that ground.
37:26
Speaker 11: There may then be a subsequent negotiation, but the game
37:32
Speaker 11: at the moment is to achieve a ceasepar, and something
37:35
Speaker 11: along those lines is probably the only way to do it.
37:40
Speaker 11: As for reducing the size of the Ukrainian army and
37:45
Speaker 11: by the way, not having any kind of European peacekeeping
37:49
Speaker 11: force in Ukraine, that will be a subject of negotiations,
37:53
Speaker 11: but the Ukrainians would be very loath to accept that
37:58
Speaker 11: because they wouldn't try the Russians and they wouldn't trust
38:02
Speaker 11: the Russians not to restart the war. Wow, the your
38:06
Speaker 11: pre army was reduced in size, so that's going to
38:09
Speaker 11: be problematic.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they'd be wise not to give give them
38:13
Speaker 3: what's unfolded.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Alexander, I appreciate it.
38:17
Speaker 3: Alexander down of their live from California in the US.
38:20
Speaker 2: We're going to take a break.
38:21
Speaker 3: On the other side, we'll dip back into some of
38:24
Speaker 3: the politics as well, but we're going to catch up
38:25
Speaker 3: with Mark Robinson on Sport and of course just one
38:28
Speaker 3: more sleep till the ashes. Let me just recap the
38:35
Speaker 3: breaking news from today. At the top of this hour
38:37
Speaker 3: we brought you live the new South Wales Liberal leader,
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Speaker 3: the opposition leader State Opposition Leader, Mark Speakman resigning.
38:44
Speaker 2: Here's some of what he had to say.
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Speaker 5: It has now reached the point where it's impossible to
38:49
Speaker 5: get clear air no matter what policy announcements I make,
38:53
Speaker 5: no matter how ambitious I am to make sure that
38:56
Speaker 5: the Liberal Party engages with jen z, engages with multicultural community,
39:01
Speaker 5: engages with women. There is just too much white noise
39:05
Speaker 5: that interferes with that message and I will never.
39:07
Speaker 6: Get the clean air that's needed.
39:09
Speaker 5: Kelly Sloane will be a fantastic leader if selected by
39:13
Speaker 5: the parliamentary Liberal Party.
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Speaker 2: There you go. That's it for Mark Speakman. You'll hear
39:18
Speaker 2: a lot more in coming days about Kelly Sloane.
39:21
Speaker 3: Let's get onto some more interesting news now, So happy news. Now,
39:23
Speaker 3: I'm getting to the Sport and we're joined, as ever
39:26
Speaker 3: on a Thursday by the former chief footy writer The
39:28
Speaker 3: Herald Son, Mark Robinson.
39:30
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Robo.
39:31
Speaker 3: One more sleep now, one more sleep and the Ashes
39:34
Speaker 3: are underway. The Poms loaded up with fast fowlers on
39:38
Speaker 3: the bouncy Perth pitch.
39:39
Speaker 2: It's going to be a cracker. Of course, there's going
39:41
Speaker 2: to be.
39:42
Speaker 14: I mean, there's one of the very few joyous moments
39:47
Speaker 14: in cricket.
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Speaker 11: I reckon.
39:49
Speaker 14: We've got to daily age of cricket now around the world.
39:51
Speaker 2: But when the Poms come here or we.
39:54
Speaker 14: Go to England for the Ashes, it is just a
39:56
Speaker 14: spectacular couple of months ahead and starting tomorrow in Perth.
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Speaker 14: And let's be honest, Chris, We're a little bit vulnerable,
40:03
Speaker 14: aren't we. I reckon.
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Speaker 2: There's a few changes.
40:06
Speaker 14: We haven't got the captain and Casper which is out,
40:10
Speaker 14: Casprowitz Bloody Dogs coming.
40:13
Speaker 3: And yeah, Cummins and and Hazer Woold both out.
40:17
Speaker 14: Casbridge and Jake Weatherer's playing. And the Poms have got
40:21
Speaker 14: a couple.
40:21
Speaker 2: Of those opening bowlers.
40:22
Speaker 14: And I don't think we should be doubting them at
40:25
Speaker 14: the moment because if Australia had those two quick we'd
40:28
Speaker 14: be opening him, it would be unleashing him. Joff Archer
40:31
Speaker 14: has the potential if he can stay on the park
40:34
Speaker 14: to cause enormous amount of trouble for the For the Australians,
40:39
Speaker 14: they've got two of the quickest bowlers in the world
40:42
Speaker 14: and that first Test, that first session, if they get
40:45
Speaker 14: the bowl and they can do some damage on the
40:47
Speaker 14: Australian cricket team, she's a good set them up for
40:50
Speaker 14: an enormous summer.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, Jake Wetherill, as you mentioned, he's going to be opening,
40:54
Speaker 3: probably for the first time for his country. Here's the
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Speaker 3: acting captain, Steve Smith on that task for weather World.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 15: I watched him that in the nets pretty closely the
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Speaker 15: last few days and they're pretty tricky nets, fast bouncy
41:08
Speaker 15: and a lot of seam and you know, he's got
41:10
Speaker 15: a lot of courage. He just goes in there. I
41:11
Speaker 15: don't think he faces any of the side arms or anything.
41:14
Speaker 15: He wants to face bowlers the entire time and the
41:17
Speaker 15: guys were charging in bowling fast, so you know he
41:20
Speaker 15: took it on.
41:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve Smith on Jake whether or let's have a
41:24
Speaker 3: listen to the English captain too.
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Speaker 16: We are ready physically mentally absolutely not. And we've we've
41:32
Speaker 16: gone about out away tours and our series in a
41:36
Speaker 16: specific way that we feel suits this group. People can
41:38
Speaker 16: have an opinion about that, but you know, I wouldn't
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Speaker 16: say it feels disrespectful. I just think it's we know
41:46
Speaker 16: what we're doing. If you really think that we're going
41:48
Speaker 16: to be coming out here to Australia thinking that we
41:51
Speaker 16: can wing it, just come on.
41:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you what Robert you talked about the pace.
41:57
Speaker 3: But yeah, we like sometimes to talk about the Pomps
41:59
Speaker 3: coming out here and they're going to be soft and
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Speaker 3: weak and we'll rough them up.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: Ben Stokes is about as tough as they come. I mean,
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Speaker 3: he's he's he is, He's the real deal.
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Speaker 2: They're going to be They're going to be pretty hard
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Speaker 2: mop to knockover.
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Speaker 1: Do you think we're vulnerable, Chris, I really.
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Speaker 3: Do, partly because of that toughness when you're led by
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Speaker 3: a blog blog like Stokes. He's as hard as they
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Speaker 3: come and as talented as they come, don't you reckon?
42:24
Speaker 9: Yeah?
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Speaker 6: I know, I love it.
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Speaker 14: I mean he's innings at Headingly when he was captain
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Speaker 14: and won the Test match, it was one of the
42:30
Speaker 14: greatest innings of all time. He's he's a classical rounder
42:35
Speaker 14: if he makes runs, and the other one is.
42:37
Speaker 2: Joe Root, Joe rut can finally get a sentry here.
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Speaker 14: In Australia and he can he can mate runs in
42:43
Speaker 14: the middle order.
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Speaker 2: And they've got Harry Brooks there as well.
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Speaker 14: Those three are the key players. I don't know much
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Speaker 14: about the rest of them, so I don't know much
42:50
Speaker 14: about them. Were in Australia, haven't seen a lot of
42:53
Speaker 14: the rest of their team, but we know those three
42:56
Speaker 14: and if they can make runs, yeah, we're in a
43:00
Speaker 14: tough summer. But I tell you what, I am so
43:02
Speaker 14: looking forward to Archer and to see what this.
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Speaker 1: Young man's got.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely it's going to be a cracker.
43:09
Speaker 3: Let me do a bit of footy with you, because
43:11
Speaker 3: I had.
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Speaker 2: To look at the AFL draft last night.
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Speaker 3: I want to pick a little angle here, just out
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Speaker 3: of left field for you.
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Speaker 2: I want to show you these two guys.
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Speaker 3: Who went off at pick fourteen and picked twenty one,
43:20
Speaker 3: Harry Kyle and Lachlan Carmichael, two blokes from the Sydney
43:24
Speaker 3: Swans Academy. One going to the Swans, the other being
43:28
Speaker 3: match wasn't match. He's gone down to the Western Bulldogs.
43:31
Speaker 3: Fantastic prospects. Anyone goes in the first round of the draft,
43:34
Speaker 3: you're a great prospect. These blokes are both went to
43:38
Speaker 3: the Scott's College in Sydney where they don't play footy. Now,
43:42
Speaker 3: these big colleges in Adelaide, Melbourne, Perth and Hobart, they're
43:46
Speaker 3: breeding grounds for footy talents. But these guys go to
43:49
Speaker 3: a school where you can't.
43:50
Speaker 2: Even play footy. They try and then make everyone play rugby.
43:53
Speaker 3: They've still been good enough to get the national attention
43:56
Speaker 3: through their club and through the Swans Academy. It's a
43:58
Speaker 3: good story and a bit of a for these big
44:00
Speaker 3: colleges in Sydney to take up Bossie rules.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, great point that it's a great lesson for the AFL.
44:07
Speaker 14: Would argue these two, plus the proliferation of young talent
44:13
Speaker 14: in the Sons and Brisbane academies, this is the reasons
44:17
Speaker 14: why we have these academies to further enhance the sport
44:21
Speaker 14: of Australian rules in the Northern States. Two first rounders
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Speaker 14: from a school that doesn't play or doesn't promote AFL.
44:31
Speaker 14: It's an enormous story. And the fact that Carmichael and
44:34
Speaker 14: the Sponsting bid on Carmichael. I hope it doesn't bite
44:37
Speaker 14: him in the arse going forward in a couple of
44:39
Speaker 14: years when they said, well we had this kid and.
44:42
Speaker 2: We let him go. But they know better than anyone else.
44:45
Speaker 14: But it's just a sign.
44:47
Speaker 2: But at the same time, Chris, I don't know how close.
44:49
Speaker 14: So you watched it last night, but the Al Draft
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Speaker 14: right now, last night was the most compromised national Draft
44:59
Speaker 14: we've seen, and I don't think.
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Speaker 1: It's it's good as much.
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Speaker 14: The academy's aren't goled the fact that it completely stuffs
45:07
Speaker 14: up the first round, like Richmond finishing second last and
45:12
Speaker 14: I think they had their first picks at pick seven
45:13
Speaker 14: and pick eight.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
45:15
Speaker 14: Me, is not how the National Draft, which designed to work.
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Speaker 3: It's a bit weird. We're going to have to come
45:21
Speaker 3: back to that one later. Robo, thanks so much for
45:23
Speaker 3: joining us again. We'll catch you next week. We're going
45:25
Speaker 3: to rush to a break. We're to come back with
45:26
Speaker 3: Mark Nicholson and Tim Blair. We're going to talk about
45:28
Speaker 3: that shambles over the United Nations COP conference.
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Speaker 2: It's not going to Australia.
45:38
Speaker 3: Okay, let's sort it all on out now with Mark
45:41
Speaker 3: Nicholson from step Mate's Studios and also Tim Blair from
45:44
Speaker 3: the Daily Telegraph. Gentlemen, the United Nations Circus of sanctimony
45:49
Speaker 3: is not coming to Australia.
45:51
Speaker 2: Adelaide has missed out.
45:53
Speaker 3: We've ducked a bullet here, dodged the bullet, haven't we, Tim,
45:56
Speaker 3: We've saved ourselves maybe two billion dollars.
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Speaker 17: That means nothing, Chris the important. I'm devastated personally by this.
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Speaker 17: I wanted so much to see this up close and personal.
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Speaker 17: I wanted to see all the all the grifters, all
46:09
Speaker 17: the scammers, all right in front of me in perfect
46:12
Speaker 17: four dimensions.
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Speaker 1: I'm actually more upset.
46:15
Speaker 17: By this than than I was about Albow stealing my
46:19
Speaker 17: steffing my tax break and and and giving me an
46:23
Speaker 17: increase in power prices instead of a reduction.
46:25
Speaker 1: Those I could cop. But this, my friend, this is personal.
46:31
Speaker 3: I was going to I was going to lease the
46:33
Speaker 3: West Beach Path three golf course and make a motza
46:37
Speaker 3: as a private.
46:38
Speaker 2: Jet parking lot for a couple of weeks.
46:40
Speaker 3: Now that that scheme's gone to gone to gone to grief.
46:43
Speaker 3: Have a look at Chris Bowen that he's over in
46:45
Speaker 3: Brazil in the current circus. He's what he had to
46:48
Speaker 3: say about it.
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Speaker 18: It's also a significant concession for Takia to ensure to
46:54
Speaker 18: agree that Australia would be the COP president for the
46:56
Speaker 18: purposes of the negotiations. Its significant concessions. What's required when
47:03
Speaker 18: you are trying to find consensus.
47:05
Speaker 2: Well, Turkey's to a point, a COP president for the listener.
47:09
Speaker 18: So Turkey would be the COP president for the purposes
47:12
Speaker 18: of that. I would be the COP president for the
47:15
Speaker 18: purposes of the negotiations. We're working to ensure what outcomes.
47:20
Speaker 3: Last question, last question, Mark, Now, I got to get
47:24
Speaker 3: you on this, Mark, He said Turkey. The deal he's
47:27
Speaker 3: done is Turkey gets to host this thing. Australia gives up,
47:30
Speaker 3: we can't have it. You can have it then and
47:32
Speaker 3: you have your president to run the conference. But Bowen
47:36
Speaker 3: will be the president to organize all the negotiations and
47:39
Speaker 3: everything leading up to the conference. So what Bowen's done
47:42
Speaker 3: here is he's made he's done to COP what he's
47:46
Speaker 3: doing to our energy grid. He's made a completely complicated
47:50
Speaker 3: and ineffectual So.
47:52
Speaker 2: This could be genius.
47:54
Speaker 3: This could be the man who destroys this whole COP process.
47:58
Speaker 9: May all I know is that bow And is a Turkey,
48:01
Speaker 9: and I think it might just been lost in translation
48:03
Speaker 9: and he's just thought, Oh, that means I'm the president
48:05
Speaker 9: of negotiations.
48:06
Speaker 2: I guess, But I'll tell.
48:07
Speaker 9: You what not since World War One was I was.
48:09
Speaker 9: Iemic thought i'd be happy about losing a campaign against
48:12
Speaker 9: the Turks. I never thought I'd be happy, but I
48:15
Speaker 9: agreed to it. I am stoked on this one. Does
48:17
Speaker 9: that mean there's another two billion dollars lying around somewhere
48:21
Speaker 9: apparently that we can use and put to good to
48:23
Speaker 9: good work?
48:24
Speaker 10: Like?
48:25
Speaker 9: Is that just apparently they were willing to spend it.
48:27
Speaker 9: There must be there must be two billion dollars lying around.
48:30
Speaker 2: Where is that going? Either way? It was just happy.
48:32
Speaker 1: I was.
48:32
Speaker 9: I was very happy to see the smug smile wiped
48:34
Speaker 9: off Bowen's face. That was worth two billion bucks or
48:37
Speaker 9: whatever we spent in the in the bid.
48:39
Speaker 3: It'd be good if it was two billion dollars cash
48:41
Speaker 3: that we could use to keep power prices down on something.
48:44
Speaker 3: But I think they've spent it all on the on
48:46
Speaker 3: the on the private jets. So we've got two billion dollars,
48:49
Speaker 3: we've got two thousand hours worth of private jet higher
48:52
Speaker 3: that we're going to use over the next year. Instead,
48:54
Speaker 3: here's what the South Australian Premier Peter Malinowskis had to say.
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Speaker 19: I'm disappointed that nationally the Australian government couldn't win the
49:03
Speaker 19: rights internationally, we run the rights locally and I'm disappointed
49:08
Speaker 19: that the federal government couldn't go the next step. Absolutely,
49:11
Speaker 19: so we did our bit to put Adelaide on the map.
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Speaker 3: Mate, Tim, when I grew up in Adelaide we had
49:18
Speaker 3: the Formula One Grand Prix and then Supercars. Now he's
49:22
Speaker 3: disappointed he's missed out on Cop that was going to
49:26
Speaker 3: put Adelaide on the map.
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Speaker 17: You can understand the man's deman's depression. I mean he's
49:32
Speaker 17: just lost his States GDP for the next day. Of
49:34
Speaker 17: these months, there was a lot riding on this and
49:39
Speaker 17: all bloke it would have been so much fun. Seriously,
49:42
Speaker 17: I mean, sure, sure, I'll take one for the team.
49:45
Speaker 17: I'll go to Turkey if I have to cover this
49:48
Speaker 17: for the Telegraph, hands up.
49:53
Speaker 1: Much preferred to go to Adelaide.
49:54
Speaker 3: We were going to do the show for two weeks
49:56
Speaker 3: from Cops, so yeah, we might need to do it
49:58
Speaker 3: two weeks from Turkey. And I refuse to call anything
50:01
Speaker 3: but Turkey because I don't know what that other name is.
50:03
Speaker 2: People started using. Now.
50:06
Speaker 3: If you don't think labor arrogant, out of touch enough
50:10
Speaker 3: for wanting to spend two billion dollars on this United
50:13
Speaker 3: Nations climate gabfest, have a look at this new labor
50:17
Speaker 3: senator Charlotte Walker.
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Speaker 1: My name Charlotte Walker.
50:29
Speaker 14: I'm a senator and I'm twenty one years old.
50:32
Speaker 11: This is your sign to drink water, to eat your vegetables,
50:36
Speaker 11: to get a.
50:36
Speaker 17: Good night's sleep, to slay, and most.
50:39
Speaker 8: Importantly, to follow me.
50:42
Speaker 3: This is someone we pay close to three hundred thousand
50:45
Speaker 3: dollars a year to represent us in parliament, Mark, and
50:48
Speaker 3: she's putting you out of business because satire is dead now.
50:53
Speaker 9: Chris, I'm telling you this causes a visceral reaction inside
50:57
Speaker 9: of me where I'm like, please, Pauline, let me do a.
50:59
Speaker 2: Cartoon on it, please please. I need to satirize this.
51:03
Speaker 9: They're making fools of themselves, Pauline. I need to do something.
51:06
Speaker 9: But the thing is, it's like this is unsatirizable because
51:09
Speaker 9: no one's watching it, no one. It's the thing is,
51:11
Speaker 9: that's what they're making fools of themselves. But it's not
51:14
Speaker 9: even getting views. I think they had two hundred comments
51:16
Speaker 9: and like two hundred likes and eight comments, like anyone
51:21
Speaker 9: could get that on TikTok. That's nothing.
51:23
Speaker 2: That the thing.
51:23
Speaker 9: They have no influence And you know, these are the
51:25
Speaker 9: same people.
51:26
Speaker 2: I know.
51:26
Speaker 9: I don't want to make it too serious, but these
51:27
Speaker 9: are the same people that were like, you know during
51:29
Speaker 9: the campaign. I will not stop working. I'll work tirelessly
51:32
Speaker 9: for you. I'll never stop now. Look at them like
51:34
Speaker 9: they're just filming videos. You see them as Claire O'Neil
51:36
Speaker 9: was doing the drawings of the houses as a part
51:40
Speaker 9: of a thing. You got elbows doing the TikTok dances
51:42
Speaker 9: and all that sort of stuff. Like, how much more
51:45
Speaker 9: influence do you need? You're in our houses of parliament.
51:47
Speaker 9: Come on, do your job it, don't worry about social media.
51:50
Speaker 2: Get on it, do your job. Do something useful.
51:52
Speaker 3: Now, Tim, I've got some good news for you because
51:55
Speaker 3: I know you've been worried about Christmas and a bit
51:57
Speaker 3: of cheer.
51:58
Speaker 2: It's on the way.
51:59
Speaker 3: It's on the way because the Former Princess is got
52:03
Speaker 3: on Netflix special coming up.
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Speaker 12: I love the holiday season. It's about finding time to
52:13
Speaker 12: connect with the people we love. Yeah, embracing traditions. I
52:18
Speaker 12: like this.
52:21
Speaker 2: And making new ones. Looks pretty jolly here. It's got
52:27
Speaker 2: crass there. Yeah, it's gonna be great, isn't it. Tim?
52:32
Speaker 3: I guess, judging from the look of this special, they
52:35
Speaker 3: have not been invited to Buckingham Palace for Christmas.
52:39
Speaker 17: Why does she tries so hard to see ordinary? It's
52:43
Speaker 17: a really peculiar less as the TikTok generation would say.
52:47
Speaker 17: Now Here, I am at home. I'm looking at a tree.
52:49
Speaker 17: I like this tree. I could find more fascinating people
52:54
Speaker 17: within five kilometers of my house at here in country Victoria.
52:58
Speaker 17: It's not difficult. There are a lot of people more fascinating,
53:01
Speaker 17: more interesting, more approachable and likable than Megan and I
53:06
Speaker 17: dare say that also get higher ratings if you've bunged
53:09
Speaker 17: them up on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: This is not going to be horrifically boring.
53:12
Speaker 2: Well, you've got a year to get.
53:13
Speaker 3: On it, Tim, Tim Tim Blair's Christmas Special from Horsham.
53:18
Speaker 3: That's next year on Netflix. Thanks for joining us, guys.
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Speaker 3: Mark and Tim will speak to you next week. That
53:24
Speaker 3: is all the time we got for you tonight. I'll
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Speaker 3: see you next week.
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Speaker 2: Here's Peter