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Huddle Up | The BTJ, Travis Hunter Tandem & Other Minicamp Storylines · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought to you by the Fields
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  Speaker 1: Huddle Group, Jaguar Senior writer.
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  Speaker 2: John Osher, NFL network analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks,
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  Speaker 2: and Senior reporter J. P.
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  Speaker 3: Shaddrick.
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  Speaker 4: Where you the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars.
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  Speaker 3: Huddle Up starts right now.
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  Speaker 1: is here. JP Shadwick, John Oser in the Hundai studios,
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  Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks in Los Angeles, Pete Prisco in studio with
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  Speaker 1: us today as well infiltrating the Bucky Brooks program.
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  Speaker 4: Well, a couple of things right off to that, Bucky
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  Speaker 4: has his own show, Amazing Football. All these things out
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  Speaker 4: to everybody in the.
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  Speaker 2: World To Bucky Brooks Podcast with special guest Bucky Brooks
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  Speaker 2: and this week's special guest Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 4: Bucky bro I mean he did play on both sides
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  Speaker 4: of the ball.
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  Speaker 3: Buck he did.
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  Speaker 4: Ca'se Anybody's wanted he did? He did.
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  Speaker 3: He was Travis before.
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  Speaker 4: Tramps and senior reporter What the hell are you reporting.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very senior, and I'm getting more senior by the day.
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  Speaker 4: I know that part, Buck, You've got to change the
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  Speaker 4: title of it. I mean he was a reporter. I
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  Speaker 4: was a reporter.
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  Speaker 1: J I just read commercials, brother, I don't know, man,
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  Speaker 1: rip and read until we got here.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, Bucky, good afternoon. How about that intro?
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  Speaker 5: He look, man, I love you got my favorite guy
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  Speaker 5: in the building, Pete Risco, the guy that we were
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  Speaker 5: warned not to talk to when I was in Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 5: But somehow, thirty years later, Pete Risco is still standing,
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  Speaker 5: still made it.
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  Speaker 4: How many times did he warn you guys about talking
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  Speaker 4: to me every meeting?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I mean every now and then.
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  Speaker 3: Don't talk to.
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  Speaker 2: You?
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  Speaker 3: You you you?
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  Speaker 6: I mean we didn't.
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  Speaker 5: We didn't quite labor you rat poison, but it may
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  Speaker 5: have been intimated.
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  Speaker 4: I take that as a compliment of honor. But rat poison.
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  Speaker 6: It's called me worse.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, he had, He's called me worse.
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  Speaker 1: So manatory Mini camp yesterday today and tomorrow today open
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  Speaker 1: to the public. So a bunch of fans out there, Pete,
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  Speaker 1: what'd you like the first couple of days?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's hard, it's underwear Olympics. You know, I
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  Speaker 4: don't get excited about mini camp. And we always talked
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  Speaker 4: about what was it?
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  Speaker 2: Was it Curtis Marsh, Well, yeah, there was many yeahs.
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  Speaker 2: He single handedly destroyed Curtis Marsh. You single handedly destroyed.
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  Speaker 4: Curtis Marsh came here, he came here as and in the
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  Speaker 4: first like weeks he's running around guys and everybody thought
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  Speaker 4: he was starting to what they already yell at him.
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  Speaker 4: Wait did he get bad and he disappeared? I mean
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  Speaker 4: it happened. Johnny Morton didn't happen to him too.
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  Speaker 3: I think, I mean, it happened.
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  Speaker 4: It happens. That's why it's so hard to read into
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  Speaker 4: these things. Now you can see picking up the scheme,
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  Speaker 4: the receivers running the DB's. You know, the quarterback didn't
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  Speaker 4: throw much today and I think maybe, you know, his
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  Speaker 4: arm is he's obviously wearing to sleep, so maybe he's
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  Speaker 4: getting worn out a little bit. I mean, it's not
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  Speaker 4: just here by the way you go around, all the
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  Speaker 4: quarterbacks arms are bombing.
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  Speaker 7: Well, because.
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  Speaker 2: It's a different world than what we grew up in
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  Speaker 2: the NFLP You've got this time here that Bucky loves.
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  Speaker 2: But it is to be throwing. They work a lot
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  Speaker 2: this time of year, which they didn't used to do.
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  Speaker 2: I personally don't think as much of this as necessary.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is a more classroom time and that
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  Speaker 2: we tend because it's out there on the field in
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  Speaker 2: front of us. JP's heard me say this a thousand times.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's on the field in front of us, people
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  Speaker 2: want us to evaluate it. And this is really a
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  Speaker 2: learning time that you know, yes, have Trevor throw, but
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  Speaker 2: the classroom is what matters this time of year. And
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  Speaker 2: as boring as fans probably find the quote end install periods,
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  Speaker 2: we can't analyze install periods, but if you rate the
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  Speaker 2: level of importance, those install educational periods are why this
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  Speaker 2: time of your matters.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a balance, Buckey, right, you still got to
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  Speaker 1: get some work on the field and make it look right.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you still have to get it on the field
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  Speaker 6: and make it look right.
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  Speaker 5: And you know these workhouts where there's OTA's or mini
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  Speaker 5: camps like, they serve a few different purposes. One for
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  Speaker 5: the coaches, it's it's a period of experimentation. A lot
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  Speaker 5: of times coaches have been in the lab all offseason
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  Speaker 5: working on concepts and things, and these practice sessions give
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  Speaker 5: them a chance to see what it looks like on
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  Speaker 5: tape whether they want to keep it, so they go
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  Speaker 5: through that the flesh it out to see if they.
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  Speaker 6: Want to install it in training camp.
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  Speaker 5: And then when it comes to the evaluation and the players,
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  Speaker 5: you're trying to see who can pick up the things
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  Speaker 5: that they're being taught in the classroom. Can they implement
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  Speaker 5: those things into the field? Can they execute it? Do
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  Speaker 5: they look like we thought they were going to look
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  Speaker 5: when a guy coming from college making his way to
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  Speaker 5: the pros. And then with the terans, where do we
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  Speaker 5: feel like they are in their process when it comes
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  Speaker 5: to year five, six or seven?
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  Speaker 6: Do we feel like they can contribute?
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  Speaker 5: So there are a lot of things working, but really
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  Speaker 5: it all means nothing until we start playing preseason games
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  Speaker 5: because the decisions are made really quickly once you get
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  Speaker 5: into the season and they start playing games that kind of matter.
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  Speaker 2: It's very few times, Pete, that I've ever written in October.
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  Speaker 2: So instead of running back co who what terrific?
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  Speaker 7: In June?
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  Speaker 4: It's just every surgery is a success, right right. Every
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  Speaker 4: player's come back in the best shape of his life.
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  Speaker 4: He's fitting perfectly. I mean, it's just it's the boys
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  Speaker 4: of summer. That's what I call it.
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  Speaker 3: That's what this is, sweet till grind mode during the
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  Speaker 3: dead people.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, let's for example, let's talk about the draft class.
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  Speaker 4: A couple of the rookie running back to Can you
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  Speaker 4: tell anything about him? We know he's fast. Can you
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  Speaker 4: tell anything about his running ability? No, you can't because
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  Speaker 4: he's not running with pads the safety ramsall. He's looked good,
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  Speaker 4: he's good, made a great play today, It's going to
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  Speaker 4: be a really good player. But until you put the
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  Speaker 4: pads on bucket. You know this, if you start blasting
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  Speaker 4: people in it, well I say that because nobody hits
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  Speaker 4: anybody anymore anyways. But you have no idea if these
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  Speaker 4: guys can play football or not.
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  Speaker 6: No, you don't. And look, you want to keep everything
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  Speaker 6: in perspective. But all we can talk about is what
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  Speaker 6: we have for in front of us right now.
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  Speaker 5: Like I mean, can't blow up many camp and not
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  Speaker 5: have people pay attention to what the Jags are doing now.
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  Speaker 5: But you're right, none of this means anything until we
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  Speaker 5: put the pass on for the skill guys. You can
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  Speaker 5: get some of the timing done you can kind of
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  Speaker 5: build the chemistry and connection. And to me, my focus
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  Speaker 5: would be on Trevor Lawrence, what he looks like doing
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  Speaker 5: the basics in this offense. How can they build it
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  Speaker 5: out to make it even more Number sixteen friendly.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, like we won't see.
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  Speaker 5: The physicality the toughs until you put the pads on
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  Speaker 5: and then really start making real assessments.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, who can and who can't play in this leap.
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  Speaker 2: There's a couple of things I believe you can see
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  Speaker 2: this time of year if people want to get your
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  Speaker 2: thoughts on these, If you're around it, which we've been
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  Speaker 2: in which you got here today, you can get a
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  Speaker 2: feeling of whether or not players believe in the direction.
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  Speaker 2: And I never know how to define that, but you
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  Speaker 2: can feel it and from talking to players, from being
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  Speaker 2: around this, they do believe in this, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that matters very much tangibly, I think, which you can
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  Speaker 2: see that's different to me, this receiver group.
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  Speaker 7: Might be the best overall.
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  Speaker 2: Receiver group has a chance to be the most special,
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  Speaker 2: most dynamic. Keenan and Jimmy are a different world. They're
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  Speaker 2: the legends of this franchise. So I can't compare the
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  Speaker 2: top two to those two guys.
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  Speaker 7: But this receiver group, the way they move is different.
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  Speaker 4: They're all fast, yeah, everybody. And what did we talk
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  Speaker 4: about all last year at JP No speed on offense?
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  Speaker 4: There was. I mean, Brian Thomas could run, but he
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  Speaker 4: was a kid early in his process.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody else was running.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody else nobody could run. Well, now they can run,
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  Speaker 4: and everybody puts the fear into a defense. You got
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  Speaker 4: to defend them differently. And when they come up and
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  Speaker 4: they move him around, that's one of the best things
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  Speaker 4: about him. I think, you know, nobody's in one spot.
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  Speaker 4: They all move around. There's a lot of plays and
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  Speaker 4: you see where they put him in motion before the
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  Speaker 4: snap and get him going out into the route. I
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  Speaker 4: love that because they were stagnant on offense. It was
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  Speaker 4: a very stagnant offense. And I think that's the biggest
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  Speaker 4: difference is they can run now. And when you can run,
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  Speaker 4: you know, look to compare anybody to Jimmy and Keen,
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  Speaker 4: and they got a long way to go to get
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  Speaker 4: to that.
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  Speaker 3: Do they have the.
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  Speaker 4: Potential to get to that? Those two guys have. Brian
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  Speaker 4: Thomas is being cheated and I feel bad about that.
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  Speaker 4: In a lot of ways. Travis Hunter is going to
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  Speaker 4: be a great player. Don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 3: I love him.
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  Speaker 4: I love everything I've seen from him. I've watched a
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  Speaker 4: lot of his stuff. I watched him in college. I
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  Speaker 4: love this game. But Brian Thomas is one. He's the
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  Speaker 4: real deal. We talk about all time great receivers right
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  Speaker 4: now in this league. You're talking about Jefferson and Chase.
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  Speaker 4: This kid has a chance to be that, and he's
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  Speaker 4: not getting talked about enough about it. And that's where
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  Speaker 4: I think he's getting cheated a little bit. I think
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  Speaker 4: he's going to get to that level. And look, Travis
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  Speaker 4: Hunter is going to be a great player too. But
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  Speaker 4: let's not forget about Brian Thomas because I think right now,
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  Speaker 4: if you ask me right now who the best rookie
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  Speaker 4: receiver was that you're going which which of those guys
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  Speaker 4: I would take before this before the draft? It wasn't him.
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  Speaker 4: It was Belaite Neighbors. But I was not one of
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  Speaker 4: those Mormon Harrison guys like everybody else, because I like suddenness.
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  Speaker 4: I like guys who can go. Brian Thomas right there
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  Speaker 4: with them. But right now, Brian Thomas is the best
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  Speaker 4: of that group.
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  Speaker 1: There's one way to get to that point, though, and
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  Speaker 1: that's just play. I mean play and produce right, no
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  Speaker 1: matter the noise around you right now.
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  Speaker 2: Right And as far as Brian Thomas Junior, that's absolutely
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  Speaker 2: what he can do and JP, I believe it's what
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  Speaker 2: he will do.
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  Speaker 7: And there's certain guys when you cover.
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  Speaker 2: The league that you can feel as rookies sort of
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  Speaker 2: scratch the surface.
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  Speaker 7: And then you get the idea that they are ready to.
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  Speaker 2: Start taking over games and start being the reason that
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  Speaker 2: teams excel. And the guy that I'm thinking of as
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  Speaker 2: I say this was Bob Sanders and Indy. When I
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  Speaker 2: covered him, he played about five or six games as
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  Speaker 2: a rookie. But when you talk to people, this is
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  Speaker 2: the cult safety from the mid two thousands. But when
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  Speaker 2: you you talk to people in the offseason and when
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  Speaker 2: you watched camp, there was a second year thing with
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  Speaker 2: this guy where all of a sudden, his second year
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  Speaker 2: was two thousand and five, and the cult of defense
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  Speaker 2: that year was the best in the league for during
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  Speaker 2: the regular season because Bob accelerated and became a game
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  Speaker 2: changing player. When they're great, that's what happens in their
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  Speaker 2: second year because they all of a sudden get it.
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  Speaker 2: There's many many other guys that you've seen do that,
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  Speaker 2: But that's what BTJ feels like. He feels to me
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  Speaker 2: like he's a guy who could get sixteen hundred yards
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  Speaker 2: all pro that sort of mention. I'm not sure when
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  Speaker 2: the last time we've had a guy I think Kalais
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  Speaker 2: in seventeen was that level of this is a guy
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  Speaker 2: who is.
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  Speaker 7: Lifting a franchise. BTJ has that field to me.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, you talk about the second year even
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  Speaker 4: more so for wide receivers because usually in the first
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  Speaker 4: year figuring it out, they're figuring it out, they're reading
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  Speaker 4: on the run. There's not as plain as fast as
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  Speaker 4: they normally would where they get more comfortable and again
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  Speaker 4: it's a new so he's learning again, but he's much
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  Speaker 4: more comfortable with the idea is of playing wide receiver
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  Speaker 4: in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: Bucky, how does a young player handle all this?
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  Speaker 6: Now?
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  Speaker 5: Look, I think John MP made great points most not
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  Speaker 5: the biggest jump that a young player makes is from
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  Speaker 5: year one to year two, because they now know the
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  Speaker 5: league that they're in, they know how.
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  Speaker 6: To better prepare for the league.
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  Speaker 5: That development kicks in and they go from training for
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  Speaker 5: the combine to really training for success on the field.
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  Speaker 6: So Brian Thomas Junior should make a huge leap.
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  Speaker 5: And going back to what was thrown out there in
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  Speaker 5: terms of like Keenan and Jimmy and this being the
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  Speaker 5: best wide receiver corp, potentially that the Jacks have happened.
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  Speaker 6: I would say yes.
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  Speaker 5: And I would say that even though Btj's not getting
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  Speaker 5: the attention, I think around the league when they look
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  Speaker 5: at the scouting report, I think the number one player
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  Speaker 5: that they're going to put a dot on is going
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  Speaker 5: to be Brian Thomas Junior because he's proven and he's established.
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  Speaker 5: And I would say that Brian Thomas Junior is more
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  Speaker 5: of the Jimmy Smith in this scenario. Travis Hunter is
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  Speaker 5: more like Keenan, may be more dynamic, but more of
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  Speaker 5: the complement to the guy that's domain entre.
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  Speaker 6: Btj's domain entre. He's the number one.
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  Speaker 5: I think what if we if we stretch this out
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  Speaker 5: and say a perfect world, what it looks like. It
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  Speaker 5: looks like BTJ having fifteen hundred yards, Travis Hunter having
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  Speaker 5: a thousand to eleven hundred yards and maybe more explosive plays.
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  Speaker 5: But make no mistake, BTJ is the number one receiver
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  Speaker 5: on this team.
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  Speaker 2: No matter how Travis Hunter gets, Keenan will still think
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  Speaker 2: he's beat.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I say, Well more dynamic. We do love that.
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  Speaker 4: Travis Hunter might want to call Keenan up and ask
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  Speaker 4: him how to run routes. Yeah, I mean Keenny. You
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  Speaker 4: know that Bucky Keenan was one of the best route
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  Speaker 4: runners this league has ever seen, and he's now one
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  Speaker 4: of the best wide receiver coaches this league has ever seen.
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  Speaker 4: So I think when you look at Travis Hunter, that's
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  Speaker 4: the step for him is learning how to run routes.
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  Speaker 4: It's clear when you watch him, the natural ability is there.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he was ever taught to run routes.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think anybody Colorado taught him how to run routes.
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  Speaker 6: No, I mean that was the big thing coming out.
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  Speaker 5: Like I would say this, like he is definitely more
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  Speaker 5: of a playmaker than a precise route runner. He is
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  Speaker 5: more of a get the ball in his hands and
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  Speaker 5: let him go to work. And that's different and we
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  Speaker 5: will see how that plays out. Particularly when they start
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  Speaker 5: playing against good defensive backs, guys that are sound technically,
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  Speaker 5: it could be a little harder for him to create
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  Speaker 5: space whereas BTJ is smooth, fluid, polished, dynamic.
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  Speaker 6: He can do it all.
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  Speaker 5: He can take it off the top, he can run
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  Speaker 5: the intermediate stuff. So he is what you typically want
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  Speaker 5: as a number one, someone that can do it all.
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  Speaker 5: Travis Hunter, to me, is a high end number two
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  Speaker 5: that can make big plays, and he is going to
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  Speaker 5: be a big play specialist. But I don't think he
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  Speaker 5: has the skill set right now to be a number one.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's going to be Brook says, Jaguars trained
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  Speaker 4: up number two to get a number two wide receive.
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  Speaker 4: But you're sunning up.
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  Speaker 5: But Pete, even in that, I'm gonna be honest with you,
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  Speaker 5: I thought he was a much better I thought he
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  Speaker 5: had more potential to be a dominant player at cornerback
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  Speaker 5: than at wide receiver. I think the reason why at
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  Speaker 5: corner he can make things happen is because his ball
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  Speaker 5: skills are unrivaled, Like I haven't seen anyone who can
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  Speaker 5: catch the ball and make the plays that he naturally
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  Speaker 5: makes on defense.
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  Speaker 6: On offense, I always felt.
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  Speaker 5: Like he was a playmaker more so than a polished receiver.
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  Speaker 5: And it's easy to get excited about what guys do
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  Speaker 5: on offense. That's the nature of our league. But to me,
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  Speaker 5: his value as in being a two way player more
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  Speaker 5: so than just being a one way spot.
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  Speaker 4: Get three, Number two, get number two wide receive. Can
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  Speaker 4: watch that number two wide receiver for two thousand.
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  Speaker 3: That's Pete Prisco CBS Sports. You might have heard of him, Bucky.
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  Speaker 1: Brooks, of course, Shatrick with John Osher. I love you,
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  Speaker 1: Pete man, I really do.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a lot to figure out in the fall
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  Speaker 1: coming up about the programming and all that, but you're
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: gonna be back around.
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: I just hope your dad likes me.
• 15:10
  Speaker 6: No, that's.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: Hates with a capital H because.
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: I take, but I take JP's airtime. His dad then takes.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: Shots unnecessary below the belt.
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: Shots at you. Yeah, No, I don't.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true to love. Who doesn't?
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: Defense?
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: Yes, after what happened out there today, Mark Long might.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Old boy defense? What stands out to you on the
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: defensive side? New scheme, A lot of new faces in
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: the secondary. But some guys who've been around here for
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: a number of years, they're lighter. We know that for
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: a fact.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: That nobody's throwing meat on the table. That's that's a
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: true story, by the way, But you know, you know
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: that story bucket coordinated throughous so stupid. That might be
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: one of the dumbest NFL stories I've ever heard in
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: my life. And well, the acts, I mean, we could
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: go yeah, but look, they're lighter, they're leaner. But more
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: than that, just watching them out there, they throw a
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: bunch of different looks at you. It's not And I
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: was talking to Josh lens Allen after practice and they
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: love it. They love it, and I think that's the
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: biggest difference. You know, they're lighter and leaner, and that's
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: going to help them with their speed and everything. But
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: you can do so many different things now. And I
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: thought they were predictable on defense. That was a predictable defense,
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: and they weren't good. They had so many busted assignments
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: which just wreaked the poor coaching. No, they were bad.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: It was a bad defense. This defense can be much
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: better now. There's things that have to happen for it
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: to be better, not just schematically. You can be great
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: all you want, but you got to have players play.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: But I do think they're going to be better on
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: that side of the ball.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the intriguing thing because Campinelly, I think
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: is unbelievably good for this team, this roster, these players,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: the amount that they believe in him, the way he's
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: connected to him, I think does matter very much. He
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: puts such an emphasis and this is important no matter
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: what scheme you're playing, but when a coordinator emphasizes something,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: it usually tends to rise up. And he puts such
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: an emphasis on getting off blocks and explosion at the
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: point of attack, and that's all he talks like, I
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: shouldn't say's all he talks about, but he emphasizes it
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: all the time. So I can't help but think that
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: they by default are going to be a half yard
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: whatever the number is better against the run. If you
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: get a little better against the run, Josh Trayvon Eric
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Armstead inside will be better. I just can't help but
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: think that this defense last year felt I hate the
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: word soft, but it couldn't stop the run in the
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: moments where it needed to. It couldn't limit that if
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: it can limit that there's enough pass rush and you're
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: facing the quarterback in the secondary to create turnovers off
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: pass rush. I just can't help but think the defense
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: rises at least to mid way through the league when
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: they were the worst in the league last year.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: The run defense has been a problem around here for
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: a while. Let's be frank. I mean, it's just for
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: how many years now, It's been an issue for.
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: A couple of years.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: They just don't stop the run. And when you don't
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: stop the run and you got beefy pass rushers, you're
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: not going to rush the passer very well.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: What it is, Look, it's a huge issue last year
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: because you can't get to the point where you want
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: to rush the passer because the run defense was so leaky,
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: and then when you give up big plays in the secondary,
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: you have no chance of being able to win. This
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: defense should be better because they're going to more of
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: a vision and break defense, more zone coverage, more eyes
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: on the ball that not only will help them close
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: quicker to the balls that are thrown underneath, but it
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: also helps if the running hot hops, if they're able
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: to pop a big run, you have more guys that
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: can see it and they can get it down and
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: so it won't go to the house. It just seems
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: like the guys are really bought in right now to
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: what is being said on offense and defense.
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: But you know, maybe it's the credibility.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's just the desire to want to be better
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: after such a horrific season last year.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: But it does appear that there's a.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: Connection between the players and the coaching staff, and the
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: scheme is gonna work because the players believe in what
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: the coaches are saying.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: The twenty twenty five season in Daily's Place is rolling
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: right down. Rolling Vampire Weekend June twelfth, Glass Animals June seventeenth, April,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Levine at June twenty third, Slightly Stupid June twenty sixth,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: plenty more.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Two nights or should I have twain in July?
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: By the way? Two nights?
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Not one, but two?
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Who looks different these days?
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: At least places dot com for tickets it's show information.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: She looks lovely.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: What are you talking about, Pete?
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: This doesn't look like you' ninth Wayne anymore?
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, we'll find out. July twenty ninth and thirtieth. I
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: suppose he's not coming up for that one.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: I guess it's I actually like her music a little bit.
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: First night.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Second, we're trying to get Biselli's.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Couch for that.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: But doesn't he have a sweet now?
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I'm sure whatever you want.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: You know, he's the kind of guy he used to
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: take advantage of everybody else's sweets and couches. He wouldn't
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: get anybody take advantage.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, you can't even get into his No,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: no chance. What do you got coming up the rest
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: of the day, Peter, Are you here tomorrow as well?
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: I'll be here tomorrow. I'm talking to the quarterback tomorrow.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Oh big yeah, Nick Mullens, Nick Mullens, Yeah yeah, Nick.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Those helium blues yesterday?
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Well then.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: He didn't have a great practice today.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Offense overall, just no bad.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Day for the offense. Bad day for the offense. I mean,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: once Brian Thomas goes, I think kind of changes the
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: dynamic of the offense. Bit yeahtle bit. But I'm talking
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: to the quarterback tomorrow. Look, you guys know, it's all him.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: It's on him. This team is going to go as
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: far as he goes. If he takes the strides and
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: gets better, it's gonna be a good football team. If
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: he doesn't, they're gonna have questions about their decision to
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: pay him, and they're gonna have questions a quarterback. I
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: tend to agree that he'll take the move, the move
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: to go up. I think his mechanics have improved just
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: from watching what I've seen from him. Get his a
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: little quicker, shorter on the release, which I think he
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: needed to be. He's elongated, wind up is shortened a
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: little bit. If he goes to the next step, which
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: I think he can do, then they're gonna be a
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: good football team. If he doesn't, then they got major
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: problems and major issues.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: And he doesn't even really have to be to me
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, he doesn't have to be one
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: of the top two or three guys yet. Yeah, you know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: if he just takes that step and gets to where
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I thought he was at the end of twenty two
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: and started twenty three, then they're fine.
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: And if he accelerates past that, then look out, yeah you.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Got you gotta get him into the top ten conversation
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: and right you know, right now he was in that
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: and now he kind of added the injury and everything's
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: kind of you know, outside of Jacksonville. The perception of
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Trevor Larns isn't great. I'll be honest with you. And
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Bucky knows. Bucky's out in LA He knows.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, there's a thing where when guys come
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: in because remember how he was held and portrayed coming
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: into the draft.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: He was talking about a generational talent.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: We thought he was going to be one of those
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: guys that quickly ascended to being a top five player.
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: It hasn't happened like that.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: He's shown flashes of being the guy that some expected
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: him to be, but.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: He hasn't done it consistently.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: The one thing that you have to do as a
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: team once you made a decision to pay him is
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: let's make sure we give him every opportunity to be
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: the player that we want him to be. And the
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: money's the money. The other thing is getting him to
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: play that way. And so I think you've seen bigger receivers,
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: more explosive receivers, things that he was able to be
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: successful doing at Clemson.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: You'll see some of those things incorporated.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: But I think the best thing that Liam Corn has
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: been able to do being around it, he saw what
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Sean McVeigh did for Jerick Goff, and then he personally
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: helped Baker Mayfield kind of take his.
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: Game up a notch.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: And a lot of that was understanding who the quarterback
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: is and put them in a position.
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: To only do the things that they do well.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: If they do those things with Trevor and quit trying
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: to make him be something that he's not, he'll have
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: an opportunity to have success. And so it's on the
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: coaches to find a way to make the quarterback right
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: because he's gonna be here for the next four.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: Or five years.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Well, since this is the last Bucky Brooks show the
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: off season, we're done, I'll I like to look for
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: tangible things that will translate onto the field.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Are you using that word? Because it's like become a
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: buzzword around here.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Intangible the best tangible raise the level of the ecosystem.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Pe If you think about what they're four and thirteen
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: last year. If you think about the one thing that
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: could accelerate this team in a hurry, I will go
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: with the speed and play making a wide receiver. Think
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: about how much better Trevor Lawrence is, how much this
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: team better if out of seventeen games you get eight
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: more plays won every two games of a guy getting
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: a fifteen yard pass and it becoming sixty. You had
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: one guy on the team last year BTJ who could
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: do it. You've got at least three this year. That's
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: a huge difference. That to me shows up on the scoreboard.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: And I think if everything else just gets stabilized and
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: that element is as real as I think it might be,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I think that's where you see this team. That's the
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: hope for this team to make a huge acceleration next year.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: I think the play calling will make a big difference.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: You know how I felt about the play calling, and
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: I thought it was terrible at eighteen thousand bubble screens
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: and a game. And I know why they were doing
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: because they were limited on the offensive line. They were scared.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: The quarterback got sped up a bunch. He started looking
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: at the rush and that can never happen. But they
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: have to be able to protect him. And are they
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: significantly better up front? That's the question.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I think that's the major storyline of August and into
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: the first few weeks.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Correct. I mean, because Hainesy's a smart, good, solid center,
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: He's not a great center. The right guard you know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: McCarry's a good player, and he's more self made, tough,
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: feisty kind of guy than he is an overbearing talent.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: The right tackle has to start playing. You got a
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: competition going over there. The left guard, I think he's
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: kind of miscast in this offense, but he'll probably start
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: the season at left guard. And the left tackle they
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: paid him, but this regime didn't pay him. And so
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: you know, is the line going to be that much
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: better or is good coaching going to make the line better?
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Because I think even if they don't have to be
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: the Eagles, because they're not going to be that, but
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: they have to be better than what they were, and
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: I think they can be better than what they were.
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: And credit to him because they've done.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I thought, within what they had with the cap, what
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: they were doing, you did as much as you could
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: do in the offseason. And the offensive line, to me, is
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: always something that you have to build over a few years.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: They did as much as they could with their situation
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: to emphasize it, to get it. It feels like it's
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: the first step up a short hill or maybe a
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: large hill, but I feel like there's hope that it
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: could be better. With the factors they be, and then
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I think in the next couple of drafts, I think
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: you'll see it accelerate.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Well, like I was in Tampa last week, and Tampa
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: has everybody back on the on the offense, the entire
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: offense is back. Plus you know a Buka the wide
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: receiver they drafted, so they're loaded. But you look at
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: the e and I talked about the offensive line. The
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: left tackles one of the best in football. There's no
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: question about that. They drafted them. The right tackle has
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: become a really good player. Gettikey, who was a guard
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: who was a disasters the guard, but he's become a
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: good player at and the center, Graham Barton's now in
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: the second year. So you got the left tackle, the
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: right tackle, in the center. The other two guys if
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: they're just adequate. And we know we always talked about.
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: Guard supposed to be the formula man.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Correct and so here you paid a left tackle, you
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: invested heavily in the right tackle, and you just paid
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: the center. You're supposed to be the whoever plays those
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: other and McCary obviously got paid, so he's gonna be
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: the right guard. Whoever plays the left guard, you're supposed
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: to be better up front because of the assets you
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: used on that offensive line, and so the questions become
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: the two tackles. That's the questions on this offensive line.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Right, But this group didn't pick those tackles, no theory, So.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: Bucky not that they didn't, but if they were gonna
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: move on or do anything, they had opportunities to do that,
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: they could address those things in the draft or whatever.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: But Pete and Johnna Wright like is to tomato can
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: theory is what they talk about, Like, you don't have
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: to be great, but you can't have tomato cans playing
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: on the offensive line, like the guys that are the
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: obvious fish that you can attack everywhere. And if we're
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: talking about the principal where you're having two good offensive
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: tackles in the center, well then you want guards who
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: can play well with their neighbors, meaning that you can
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: use body help and situations to do that. Are we
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: good enough on the outside to say that, hey, if
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: we have inferior players on the inside, or do we
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: have an inferior offensive line that can't hold up.
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: So that's where Walker little and that's on Harrison.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: Like if this was back in the day we say
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: they have to wear the big sombrero and training camp.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: Are they good enough or do you have to find
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: other alternatives to be able to.
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: Put on the field to help this offense get the
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: where it needs to go.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Can you remember the guards on your team when you
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: played here?
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: No, really?
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: I bet you know.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: I bet you remember the tackles?
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yeah, big Baby and Tony like I mean
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: we were talking about being cold the guys.
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: Going in there.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: But yeah, but they cycled through the Yeah, Rich Kilski,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Ben Coleman played guard for a while. I mean they
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: had rotated guards. It was never in the center nine
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: times out. Often the center went.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Very good either in this day and age in the
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: NFL with the cap, with money you have to allocate.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be tackle tackle center with supplementary guards
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: in your ideal salary cap structured tank.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: You know what, though, the guards are getting paid now,
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: the guards have become a that's a position that's been
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: getting paid.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Everybody paid said this rum, he gets paid this room.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Bucky gets paid better, get paid right?
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: Oh no, no, no, no.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Is that everybody does anybody else in the whole place
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: have a name on the Show.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: The Liam Cohen Show.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: So Liam Cohan and Bucky Brooks.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Two.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: You would have thought he was Jimmy or something.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, you should see the power of Oh my gosh,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I love your Bucky.
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: Good ud Pete. I talked, I talked to you. I
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: ignored the band. I talked to you.
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: Let it be banned. I still would creep over there
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: when you're starting to me in trouble.
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: Whdrake got released?
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: No, Bucky did. Yeah, it was one of the good
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: guys in the locker room. There were plenty of bad ones.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Oh you got any names? We name names where we.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Are Bucky, have a great off season. This is our
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: last program with you until training camp.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Enjoy it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Buck.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: You coming for training camp.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't miss it from here that time. I love
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: I love all those things.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks, Pete, thanks for hopping.
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: In with us. Yeah, great to see you.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Bucky Brooks Show.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: This is the Bucky Brooks Program with Bucky Brooks and three.
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: Other guys and special guest Bucky brook.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Pete Briscoe, John O's your j P. Shaddick.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks are thanks to Joe Fortunate. I'm on print Reaper.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Thanks to you.
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  Speaker 3: For listening and watching. Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks